Lisa Boothe is joined by FOX News analyst Joe Concha to break down the crisis facing mainstream news outlets. They examine how bias, sensationalism, and double standards are fueling a collapse in trust and ratings, while conservative platforms continue to grow. The conversation covers the New Jersey governor’s race, media spin on political violence, and the left’s reaction to the attempted assassination of Charlie Kirk. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, we'll get to
the heart of the issues that matter to you today.
We're talking about the mainstream media. You know, what role
does the media have in this heightened, volatile political environment
that we're living in. We're going to ask my friend
and colleague from Fox News and who's also the author
of the greatest comeback ever, Joe Kanca, to unpack some
(00:22):
of these explosive stories we're saying in the country. We'll
talk about Jimmy Kimmel's brief suspension. I guess he's still
you know, next Star and Sinclair aren't going to air
his show on the ABC affiliates. But should he be
permanently fired? Why can't he just apologize? Why didn't ABC
force him to apologize? So we'll talk about that in
(00:44):
his comments related to Charlie Kirk's assassination, lying telling us
that the killer was Maga when he was a left
wing freak.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Then we're also going to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
The Dallas ice facility shooting, where a sniper's anti ice
bullet casings arked to debate in the media over this
terrible political rhetoric we're saying that is leading to these
attacks on ICE agents and also just increased attacks from
leftists as well. So stay tuned for Joe Concha's sharp insights.
(01:15):
He's always great on everything media and beyond, but particularly
the media, So stay tuned for this honest conversation to
get to the bottom of all of this with Joe Kanja.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Joe Concha, it's great to have you back on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Obviously, no shortage of media related items to get to,
but I wanted to start because we were talking before
we got started.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
You're a New Jersey guy. You live in New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
There's a big, big gubernatial race there between Mikey Cheryl
and Jack Chitarelli.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
What do you think is going to happen? He's closing
the gap now there.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
She kind of fell apart recently during a debate that's
mid made headlines.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
What does your gut tell you? What do you think?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
My gut feels like I'm watching Kamala two dot O
with Mikey sh Cheryl.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
In terms of this, when you put her in a.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Teleprompter, sounds fine, does a decent speech. You take her
outside the teleprompter and she becomes another human Chernobyl. So
when she was asked about seven and a half million
dollars that she made in stock trades.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
She had no good answer.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I mean, just fumbling, bumbling, stumbling through it, and that
seemed to be a big turning point.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
She went after Charlie Kirk during the debate in.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Terms of just going after him again, this is two
weeks before Charlie was executed, and she should have just said,
I disagree with him on certain things, but it's horrible
that a thirty one year old father of two and
a loving husband lost his life because somebody disagreed with him.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
There's a pretty you worked in politics.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
There's a boiler preyed answer you could give there to
just get out and move on without maybe insulting your
far left supporters and at the same time showing some
respect and not really pissing off independent voters or any
Republicans that you're trying to bring over. So Chinarelli people
may remember four years ago, Lisa phil Murphy was so
favored to win that race that even Fox that night
(03:06):
during the election, we were so focused on Virginia that
we were scrambling for.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Maps through Jersey in.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Terms of what votes need to come in because Chitaerelly
led for most of the night, and then Murphy ended
up winning by two points or so after he won
the previous election by eighteen So Chitderelly is that close then,
and more voters have gotten to know him since as
more of a brand name, and he's just an authentic
Jersey guy who definitely does not come across his phone.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
He definitely can think on his feet.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I think he has a very good chance to flip
New Jersey red because we saw during even the election
Joe Biden won by sixteen points in Jersey in twenty
twenty and Donald Trump shaved that down to five in
twenty twenty four. So it's definitely moving in a red direction,
and Chittarelly versus Cheryl will be a big indicator as
far as what's going to happen in the midterms in
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twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, it was interesting because he did it.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
You almost beat Murphy, which is why I was kind
of wondering why he had been lagged behind so much
up until recently, because you know, to be an incumbent
governor is much more difficult than you know, this sort
of open seat, open race scenario.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
But it seems like.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Obviously he's been able to play catch up and then
potentially then some so you know, that would be a
great race for Republicans to win. You kind of mentioned
her inability to just like condemn this right and like,
why can't you just, you know, regardless what you think
of Charlie's believes in the things he said, like why
can't people just.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Be human beings? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Why do you think the left is having such a
hard time? Just like we saw that with Jimmy Kimmel
as well, which led to his suspension. He even tried
to blame it on MAGA, Like why why can't they
just admit what the facts tell us that, you know,
a far leftist.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Did this.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, I think they're a party that's led by emotion
first and then common sense and what is the right
thing to say or do politically distant third. That's the
thing I mean, Kimmel, it just angers me so much
that he is exploiting this now because he thinks somehow
he's a free speech martyr, Like he's a bigger victim
than Charlie himself. I mean, it's very clear what he said.
(05:13):
He said that the Maga gang was trying to deny
that the shooter Tyler Robinson was part of any other
group besides themselves. That was said just a couple of
days after Charlie was murdered, and he still will not
apologize for it. He still will not apologize to Erica Kirk.
The family still won't write a big fat check as
he should to Turning Point USA. And then you just
(05:37):
look at other people on the left just always like, well,
Charlie Kirk, he led a big movement, but there's always
the butt. But he did say some pretty horrible things
about He said, Martin Luther King wasn't a good guy.
All Right, I'll say this on your show, said Martin
Luther King wasn't a good guy.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Do I believe in.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Everything he stood for as far as civil rights for
Blacksmith Country? Do I think he gave one the great
speeches of all time at the Mall in Washington? Yes,
But Charlie was talking about, since we have to add
context everything because context is important, was that Charlie.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Was a man of faith.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
He's a man who obviously is very near and dear
to his wife and obviously very loyal and therefore is
not straying with multiple, multiple other women when he was
talking about Martha Looker King not being a good guy.
He was talking about he wasn't a good husband to
his wife because he was a known womanizer. Now that
doesn't take away from the movement, doesn't take away from
the fact that he did so many good things for
this country. And you can say the same thing about
(06:30):
Bill Clinton. I think Bill Clinton up until Monica, when
you look at the way the country was run in
terms of the economy, in terms of working with New Gingridge.
On the other side, in terms of having peace and prosperity,
you could say his presidency was a success. But he
wasn't a good guy obviously, you know Monica and everything
else that he had done in the past. So yeah,
you could split the two. And this is what people
(06:51):
are saying about Charlie and just taking all of his
all of his speeches, everything he said completely out of context,
and now he lost his life for it. Again, He's
going to be so much bigger in death than he
was in life, which is hard to think about. But
when you also think about what have they had now,
something like seventy five thousand chapter requests throughout the country
for I.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Think twenty thousand that much.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, it was like, I think that was the other day,
so I think it was one hundred and twenty thousand.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It's like the old Tesla stock like every day, if
you don't check it, you're like, wow, it's at here.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Now one hundred and twenty thousand.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
And Erica Kirk is the person. I can't believe the
strength that she has here. I mean, she was there
when her husband was killed. She's got to still raise
a three and a one year old. The three thear
old absolutely knew who Charlie was and probably asked about
him every day. And I had the strength that she
did to speak the way she did at that memorial
last week is just incredible. So the Left can like
hate on him all they want, but in the end,
(07:43):
Charlie's going to be much bigger than all these peons
that are trying to take his legacy down.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
It's like I saw the clip the other day when
he was closing Fox and Friends and his daughter is
like daddy and right, you know, it's like and ran
up and gave him a big hug on set it.
And then I also saw this great video that was
put together. I don't know who put it together, but
it's this, you know, liberal on TikTok being like no
one's gonna remember Charlie, you know, and he's not gonna
(08:08):
leave a legacy, like he's nobody, you know, that kind
of thing, and then it just shows like just you know,
millions of people around the world celebrating his life and
like coming to crisis. It's like a really powerful video
just showing how much of an impact Charlie has had,
even you know, before his death, but even more so
after his assassination of people just realizing the evil that
(08:30):
we're up against, but like talking about that evil and.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
The framing of all this.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It's like the mainstream media they seemed more aggrieved by
Jimmy Kimmel's brief suspension than about a thirty year old
young man who is a devoted father, a devoted.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Husband, and you know, a good person. Right.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
They seemed more aggrieved by a brief suspension than a
loss of a human life.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Do you think that's an accurate statement? And what is
tell us about the media today.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Completely and totally and it tells, oh, they're so hypocritical.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I cannot take this anymore.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Where they're talking about how free speech is under attack,
democracy is under attack Trump from Trump Trump Trump. You
go back and look at the statements of between twenty
twenty one and twenty twenty five where you have like
Brian Stelter, for example, CNN, he literally was calling cable
operators like a Comcast for example, Time Warner, whoever you
have in your area of Horizon Bios and asking how
(09:28):
can they carry a network that engages in misinformation and
hates speech like Fox does, and was looking to get
people on the record to basically say, you know what,
maybe In other words, he was running as an activist
trying to get not one person off the air at Fox,
the whole network, right, that is beyond censorship. And by
the way, he was doing it for because his boss
(09:50):
was telling him too, because Fox quadruples or more CNN
so and it again beat him, I guess, try to
get him off the air. Now he's screaming about how
free speech is under attack. And by the way, it's
not free speech that's under attack with Kimmel because Kimmel
again he said this himself in twenty twenty eight Lisa,
where he said you could say whatever you want, but
a network doesn't have to pay you to say it.
(10:11):
He said that after Roseanne Barr was fired in twenty
twenty eight from ABC, and boy, he was exactly right
about that. So Jimmy Kimmel, if the affiliates say we
don't like what he is saying in the light of
Charlie Kirk's murder, he won't won't apologize. We don't have
to carry his show on our affiliates Sinclair and Nexttar
if we don't want to.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
And that's their freedom of speech.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
That's them doing what's in the best interest of their customers.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
So that's not free speech being squashed.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
That's the free market, and the free market also says
that Jimmy Kimmel for years now has been a distant
third and a four horse race.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
In late night.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Greg Gottfeld often doubled his audience despite having you know,
you've been on Greg's show before. The staff is like eight,
when Kimmel has like a hundred, and Greg's still doubling
his ratings.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
And he was losing tens of millions of dollars for Disney.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So I always argue, it's not like take him off
the air because he said something bad. Take him off
the air because he's losing your network a ton of money.
And he's a toxic brand. And when your supply is
toxic and your demand isn't there, you go bye bye,
like Colbert is yet now Kimmel all this week since
he's been back talking about how President Trump is trying
to take him in Colbert off the air. No, Trump
(11:19):
has nothing to do with this, because if he did,
Kim wouldn't be back on the air right now.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Now, what do you quick break?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Stay with us?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
If you like what you're hearing, please share on social
media or maybe send it to a friend or a
family member.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
People, you know, make.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Mistakes, but his was just an outright lie, and you
saw even with ABC News reporter Matt Gutman, he apologized.
He said some weird things about basically trying to like,
you know, between Tyler Robinson, the you know, legised assassin and.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
He's trying to protect him.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, yeah, trying to say that this was like some
love story. You know, there's like really weird comments about
how it's like a love story and you know, sort
of like sympathizing with the killer and his lover. And
you know, he ended up apologizing, So like why as
an EBC, you know, they don't want to suspend them indefinitely.
I mean, we know next Star in Sinclaara so far
have said that they're not airing the Jimmy Kimmel Show,
(12:11):
but you know, why not at least just force an apology.
Say hey, look, the condition of your return to air
is just apologizing for lying and like committing.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
To get the facts straight. Like at the very least that.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Would seem like the respectable and honorable thing to do
is just admit he was wrong.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, I think they're scared.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I think they're scared of all these actors and producers
just said we will never work with Disney again unless
you put Jimmy Kimmel back in the air.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
But he's losing us tens of millions of dollars. Put
it back in the air, damn it.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
We don't care, like they live in a fantasy land
that where you know, business is business and money is
money and you need profits in order to stay in business.
So yeah, I think the boycotts freaked him out a bit.
And I think what they want to do now least
is Kimmel's contract is up in a couple of months,
so when the contract ends, they just don't have to
renew it. And no one can say, oh, woll Trump
(13:00):
took him off the air. There's about free speech, and
Kimmel can go to like Netflix and Hulu tomorrow and
just do a show there and probably make the same
amount of money without the fear of like advertiser revolt
or affiliate revolt, and everybody will be happy.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
So again, he's not getting his free speech taken away
from him.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
He could go on substack tomorrow and join all his
friends like Don Lemon and Chuck Todd and Terry Moran
and Joy Reid and say.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Whatever the hell he wants.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
So I think he'd be happier doing that, quite frankly,
but I think Disney Nan wants to run out the
clock and quietly not renew his contract instead of having
all the heat on them like they did over the
last week from all these producers and actors.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
How much does it her ABC's bottom line For Sinclair
at Next Star to say, who own a bunch of
the ABC affiliates to say we're not going to run
the show, they lose.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
About twenty two percent of their audience.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I mean, it's a lot of cities, not the major
major ones like New York for example, but Washington, d
C is a Sinclair station, for example, so you can't
watch Kimmel there.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I think it's sustainable.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
You know, you can look at Kimmel's numbers from earlier
this week and you're like, wow, six million people tuned in,
which was his highest ever.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
But that's going to go away in a hurry.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
That was just people tuing in to see how he
would react, and he'll go right back to third place again.
So I think again, I think they're willing to eat
the loss in the short term, and then when they
could get rid of Kimmel quietly, then they just do that.
And quite frankly, you could put on celebrity Family Feud
or Dancing with the Stars for almost no money and
still get the number that Kimmel was getting.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
So I think that's the game plan overall.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
You know how much you know, we're seeing a lot
of changes in the media landscape. You know, you look
at these changes with CBS and like CNN could potentially
be purchased. I what does that mean for like both
network and cable tv.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I think it means that what we grew up with,
at least what I grew up with her you just
turned thirty one. I think I'm a little older than you,
but I think overall, like I grew up with av
forty jail.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
But that's okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Okay, Well you're aging quite well, my friend.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Thank you. It takes a lot of work. But that's
another conversation.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
It's all that's are out. You're a volunteer.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
They all age well, say ABC, CBS, NBC, Like that's
what I grew up with.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Channel's two, four, and seven here in New York.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Now it's just become so splintered, and there's so many options.
And I don't know about you, but the way I
get my news, I'll watch I'll watch two or three
shows on Fox. I'm not going to show favoritism, but
those are ones I'll at least DVR, and then this
way I could get through the commercials and watch it
in you know, like forty one minutes or whatever. But
then overall, I like to walk the dogs a lot,
(15:36):
hike a lot, you know, working out more. I'm a
podcast person, right, I will listen to the Truth of
Lisa Booth. I listened to the Ruthless Guys, who I
think are hilarious and informative. I think Ben Shapiro does
a good job. I like Chafis's and Dana's podcast like
I I'm just a podcast like Junkie basically, like in
the car, I haven't listened to music in my car
(15:56):
in years.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
So I think like podcasts are.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
The next big great thing, and otherwise everything else is
like you get your news from Twitter by looking at
a clip that somebody posts that somebody said on CNN
that was like profoundly stupid, and you got your fix.
So I think the days of sitting down and watching
the news like people used to with Kronkite or Peter Jennings,
Tom Brokaw, I think those days are long, oh, long gone.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I think the big contract.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Days are long gone, where you're like, oh boy, we
could get Anderson Cooper for twelve million dollars and see
and then no, you could get somebody who could get
the same ratings for you know, two hundred thousand a
year and be quite happy. So I think the celebrity,
big time days of TV news are over, and I
think everybody's going to go into their own silos and
it'll be survival of the fittest and everybody will try
(16:41):
to be the next Joe Rogan.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
That's what I think you get.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
To sort of you know, I guess, well, then, how
much of this is the media zone making and the
sense of like I remember there was, uh, there was
a anonymous TV executive or media executive.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I think it was in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I'm trying to forget or I'm forgetting off the top
of my head, which publication was in, but it was
part of the twenty twenty four election, and the person
essentially said it was anonymously said that the mainstream media
is dead if President Trump were to win, because it
would basically mean that, like they're no longer able to
like brainwash the population, you know, And so how much
of this is the media's own doing in the sense,
(17:22):
whether it's the you know, trying to downplay that this
recent Dallas sniper shooting at an ICE facility that it
was driven by hating Ice, trying to downplay that, or
trying to downplay the you know, Charlie Kirk's political assassin,
his assassin that you know, the leanings of his killer. Like,
you know, how much of it is the media sort
(17:43):
of destroying itself?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I mean it's even before like Charlie and the Ice
story that we saw today obviously making a very obvious statement.
But I go back to the way Obama was treated
in the two thousand and eight election. John McCain had
no shot there, like he was going to be appointed
one way or another. So reporters and journalists they say
that in scare quotes, can say, oh, we were part
(18:05):
of history, we helped make history happen, and then they
continue through the Obama years, and then when Trump won
in twenty sixteen, that was such an ironic moment because
shows like Morning Joe had Trump on forty one times
before that election, and they yucked it up with him,
like they were called brown nosers by Rolling Stone magazine,
(18:25):
Like liberals hated the fact that Joe and Mika had
him on so much, and so did Saturday Night Live.
So did by the way, Trump did Kimmel, Colbert and
Jimmy fallon before that election, as well as well as
Saturday Night Live. In other words, everybody had him on
because he was great for ratings, because they thought he
could never win. They're like, it's there's no risk in
doing this, let's just play kadum and then sure enough he.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Wins and they all turn on him like, oh my god,
I can't believe this.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Then from there everything goes downhill as far as our
media is concerned. Completely Russia collusion. That was probably a big,
big moment. COVID was a big moment as far as
if you said that co came from a lab, you
literally had your social media account shut down.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
That's insane.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
And then obviously everything through the Biden years, where the
Biden administration was more about censorship than any that we've
ever seen in history. The member of the Government Disinformation Board,
the Ministry of Truth, I mean, this was some pretty
orwelling and stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
And then obviously the chief fakes.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
With Biden and the media telling us that no, he's
really fine, his brain didn't turn apple sauce. He's got
the physical prowess of Sakuon Barkley and the mental fitness
of Stephen Hawking. You know, like just being blatantly lied to,
Like what you're seeing and what you're hearing is not happening,
listen to us. And then when Trump wins again after
they tried to push Kamala as hard as they could,
I think they're just completely broken. And you see the numbers, lease,
(19:43):
I mean, CNN can't even draw five hundred thousand viewers
to their primetime shows at night.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Five hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
That's eight thousand viewers per state, and they're in one
hundred million homes.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
How is that sustainable? MSNBC almost not too much better.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Fox, on the other hand, we have a show called
The Five, which you're on quite often. They could get
four million people at five o'clock in the afternoon, two
o'clock on the West coast. So we're doing fine because
we actually have a news division that reports the news
can do so objectively. Whether we're talking about Brett or
Hammer or Harris, I could go down the line.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
So yeah, Fox is doing the right thing.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
And plus, by the way, we don't take ourselves too seriously,
kind of have some fun sometimes that helps too. There
is a little bit of an entertainment aspect to this
as well when warranted.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
So yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Overall, yes, it's almost entirely the media's fault where.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
They sit right now.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
And then some of it obviously is technology in terms
of having options given to other people. But as we're seeing,
media is being rejected and the options the free market
is winning out here. As far as podcasts are concerned,
I keep going back to podcasts, but I mean, it
really is the next wave.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I think we're already there, actually quick break.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Stay with us.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
If you like what you're hearing, please share on social
media or maybe send it to a friend or a
family member.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
How much a role does in media play in.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Sort of leading to the political violence that we've seen,
because I was seeing out this earlier today, like even
looking at all the attacks on police officers that we
saw in the aftermath of the lies about Michael Brown,
you know, they try to paint the the you know,
cops is races. And then you had the Dallas shooting
where the guy in the name of Black Lives Matter
killed a bunch of police officers, and you know other
(21:20):
uh you know, related shootings and killings of police officers
relating to that. So it's like, you know, I guess
how much of them How much of a role does
the media have in sort of leading to this uh
environment that we live in now where there are these
like political killings.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
It's so it's such a huge role.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I mean, and it's not even just media like we
think of it, like you know, NBC, CBS, ABC, it's
it's Gavin Newsome going on Colbert two nights ago, and
you know, basically saying that Ice is the Gestapo, and
take off your masks and if you won't take it off,
will take it off for you. I mean, again, this
is supposed to be a comedy, but instead you have
a leading presidential candidate as far as the nomination of
(22:03):
his party.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Again bashing Ice.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
You have Tim Walls, a vice presidential candidate, calling them
the Gestapo, Dan Golden New York Gestapo, Keem Jeffries Gestapo.
I mean they're using Nazi language to describe agents who
are trying to remove the most violent criminals here in
this country illegally. I mean it is political suicide. And
the media will put on the loudest voices, the most
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provocative voices possible, because they're looking for that cheap click
or viral moment. And that's why Jasmine Crockett now is
the face of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
When she can.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Say things like well, just because you commit a crime,
you're not a criminal, or she could call the governor
of Texas governor hot wheels when he's sitting in a wheelchair,
or when she can call Trump a hitler wannabe or
Elon Musk, I want him taken out for my birthday,
and we know what that means. She gets the most
airtime now because she says the craziest things.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
And if you reward.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
People like that, you know, these people don't book themselves
on these shows. Usually it's the So if Dana Bash
wants Jasmine Crockett on Stay of the Union is supposed
to be a serious show, she's going to get him,
or Anderson Cooper or Chris Hayes or Rachel Maddow.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I could go down the line.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
They're platforming people who are saying dangerous things. You could
talk about free speech, but I'm sorry when when when
you go to Nazi type of language to describe federal agents,
it's going to get somebody killed eventually. Somebody was killed
already in Dallas. It wasn't a nice agent. But we're
at this point now where it's only a matter of
when not if.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So is that the intention? Then? Are they trying to
get people killed?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I think no, I think they're they're they're thinking of themselves, Lisa,
as far as like media members like how do I
get the most eyeballs on my show?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
How do I get a cliptic viral on my show?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
So you're not going to You're not going to book
somebody like John Fetterman anymore because Fetterman actually is a
voice of reason within the Democratic Party and he doesn't
say provocative things.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
He's a common sense guy.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
He's probably the only one in the Senate that you
can say that about about Democrats.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
So he's not going to get a booking.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
But AOC is going to get a booking, and Bernie
is going to get a booking, and and and Donnie's
going to get a booking because they're the ones that
are going to bring more eyeballs from the far left.
And the way you do that is to say things
that get people either fearful or angry, and that's what's
getting rewarded right now by so many of these media outlets.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Is there anything else you want to leave us with,
Joe before we go?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So, how do you feel about the big weekend show
now being a three hour lift? I'm excited about it,
but boy, I've never done a three hour show before.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I you, yeah, I've filled in on Fox and Friends.
That's right, A bunch.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, but then that's yeah, that's well three hours during
the weekday and four hours on the weekend.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
But that's different because when you do that show, you're.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Not on every single segment and then breaks throughout the
four hours and then during the weekends and then and
also you do like you know, segments where you're like
getting up and going outside and like you know, we're
eating with food, you know what I mean. So it's
like very interactive, so it actually kind of flies by.
I'm not sure about the three hours we'll see. I mean, look,
the show has been doing really well. Obviously a big
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fan of everyone on it, you know, big fan of
Tommy and Joey who just got named as co hosts.
But yeah, three hours a lot, so we'll say. But
you know, the show's doing great so far, so they
seem to know what they're doing with it.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
So hopefully you're on a week from this weekend.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I think it's the first weekend in October, because I
will be on there for the first three hour shows,
so hopefully we were paired together.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
She usually got here it.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Was, but I'm not going to do that one now,
but I will be on at the end of the
month in October.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I'm working my wife's birthday that Sunday, my show, like
like you have her like come in and meet me
for dinner, like right when the show ONSID eight o'clock and.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, birthday, happy wife, Happy life, Joe. Didn't you know this?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
No?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I know, but she hates her birthday like she's at
that age where you used to like love it, like
when you turned eighteen or twenty one, and now it's like, oh,
I don't even want to celebrate. I'm getting old, but
she's not. But you know it's that, is it right?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I hate it, like, no, don't celebrate me.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
And then when you do, she's like excited about it
or is it like legit, like I don't want anything
to do with it.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
It's not happening.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I think it's more that.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
But I keep, you know, I keep more hinting than
I want to throw a surprise party for And she's like,
if you do that, she goes, you know, because she's
a doctor.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
She's like, I can kill you and no one will
know that I did it. Mike, you don't do right.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
True, I would take that threat seat maybe then just
take you take her out to dinner, just you two.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I'd be sweet.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
We should double date with the guy. I think that, Yeah,
I would love that. He's probably bigger than me. Though,
so I don't know if I like that quarterback.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Talk off about that. Okay, very good, Concha. You did.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
You did write his parents a very sweet note in
your book and they were thrilled about that.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
That was very kind to you.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
And by the way, let's plug that book the greatest
comeback ever.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
But yeah, they love that, so it was very Sweetio.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Joe Conscia is a good guy for the folks that
listen are listening, so uh, Conja, appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Thanks so much for coming on. Hope to see you
see my friend.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Who it's always a pleasure season was Joe Concha.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Appreciate him for taking the time to come on the show.
I appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday
and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. I
also want to thank John Cassio and my producer for
putting the show together.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Until next time.
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, we'll get to
the heart of the issues that matter to you today.
We're talking about the mainstream media. You know, what role
does the media have in this heightened, volatile political environment
that we're living in. We're going to ask my friend
and colleague from Fox News and who's also the author
of the greatest comeback ever, Joe Kanca, to unpack some
(00:22):
of these explosive stories we're saying in the country. We'll
talk about Jimmy Kimmel's brief suspension. I guess he's still
you know, next Star and Sinclair aren't going to air
his show on the ABC affiliates. But should he be
permanently fired? Why can't he just apologize? Why didn't ABC
force him to apologize? So we'll talk about that in
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his comments related to Charlie Kirk's assassination, lying telling us
that the killer was Maga when he was a left
wing freak.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Then we're also going to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
The Dallas ice facility shooting, where a sniper's anti ice
bullet casings arked to debate in the media over this
terrible political rhetoric we're saying that is leading to these
attacks on ICE agents and also just increased attacks from
leftists as well. So stay tuned for Joe Concha's sharp insights.
(01:15):
He's always great on everything media and beyond, but particularly
the media, So stay tuned for this honest conversation to
get to the bottom of all of this with Joe Kanja.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Joe Concha, it's great to have you back on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Obviously, no shortage of media related items to get to,
but I wanted to start because we were talking before
we got started.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
You're a New Jersey guy. You live in New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
There's a big, big gubernatial race there between Mikey Cheryl
and Jack Chitarelli.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
What do you think is going to happen? He's closing
the gap now there.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
She kind of fell apart recently during a debate that's
mid made headlines.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
What does your gut tell you? What do you think?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
My gut feels like I'm watching Kamala two dot O
with Mikey sh Cheryl.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
In terms of this, when you put her in a.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Teleprompter, sounds fine, does a decent speech. You take her
outside the teleprompter and she becomes another human Chernobyl. So
when she was asked about seven and a half million
dollars that she made in stock trades.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
She had no good answer.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I mean, just fumbling, bumbling, stumbling through it, and that
seemed to be a big turning point.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
She went after Charlie Kirk during the debate in.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Terms of just going after him again, this is two
weeks before Charlie was executed, and she should have just said,
I disagree with him on certain things, but it's horrible
that a thirty one year old father of two and
a loving husband lost his life because somebody disagreed with him.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
There's a pretty you worked in politics.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
There's a boiler preyed answer you could give there to
just get out and move on without maybe insulting your
far left supporters and at the same time showing some
respect and not really pissing off independent voters or any
Republicans that you're trying to bring over. So Chinarelli people
may remember four years ago, Lisa phil Murphy was so
favored to win that race that even Fox that night
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during the election, we were so focused on Virginia that
we were scrambling for.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Maps through Jersey in.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Terms of what votes need to come in because Chitaerelly
led for most of the night, and then Murphy ended
up winning by two points or so after he won
the previous election by eighteen So Chitderelly is that close then,
and more voters have gotten to know him since as
more of a brand name, and he's just an authentic
Jersey guy who definitely does not come across his phone.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
He definitely can think on his feet.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I think he has a very good chance to flip
New Jersey red because we saw during even the election
Joe Biden won by sixteen points in Jersey in twenty
twenty and Donald Trump shaved that down to five in
twenty twenty four. So it's definitely moving in a red direction,
and Chittarelly versus Cheryl will be a big indicator as
far as what's going to happen in the midterms in
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twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, it was interesting because he did it.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
You almost beat Murphy, which is why I was kind
of wondering why he had been lagged behind so much
up until recently, because you know, to be an incumbent
governor is much more difficult than you know, this sort
of open seat, open race scenario.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
But it seems like.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Obviously he's been able to play catch up and then
potentially then some so you know, that would be a
great race for Republicans to win. You kind of mentioned
her inability to just like condemn this right and like,
why can't you just, you know, regardless what you think
of Charlie's believes in the things he said, like why
can't people just.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Be human beings? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Why do you think the left is having such a
hard time? Just like we saw that with Jimmy Kimmel
as well, which led to his suspension. He even tried
to blame it on MAGA, Like why why can't they
just admit what the facts tell us that, you know,
a far leftist.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Did this.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, I think they're a party that's led by emotion
first and then common sense and what is the right
thing to say or do politically distant third. That's the
thing I mean, Kimmel, it just angers me so much
that he is exploiting this now because he thinks somehow
he's a free speech martyr, Like he's a bigger victim
than Charlie himself. I mean, it's very clear what he said.
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He said that the Maga gang was trying to deny
that the shooter Tyler Robinson was part of any other
group besides themselves. That was said just a couple of
days after Charlie was murdered, and he still will not
apologize for it. He still will not apologize to Erica Kirk.
The family still won't write a big fat check as
he should to Turning Point USA. And then you just
(05:37):
look at other people on the left just always like, well,
Charlie Kirk, he led a big movement, but there's always
the butt. But he did say some pretty horrible things
about He said, Martin Luther King wasn't a good guy.
All Right, I'll say this on your show, said Martin
Luther King wasn't a good guy.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Do I believe in.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Everything he stood for as far as civil rights for
Blacksmith Country? Do I think he gave one the great
speeches of all time at the Mall in Washington? Yes,
But Charlie was talking about, since we have to add
context everything because context is important, was that Charlie.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Was a man of faith.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
He's a man who obviously is very near and dear
to his wife and obviously very loyal and therefore is
not straying with multiple, multiple other women when he was
talking about Martha Looker King not being a good guy.
He was talking about he wasn't a good husband to
his wife because he was a known womanizer. Now that
doesn't take away from the movement, doesn't take away from
the fact that he did so many good things for
this country. And you can say the same thing about
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Bill Clinton. I think Bill Clinton up until Monica, when
you look at the way the country was run in
terms of the economy, in terms of working with New Gingridge.
On the other side, in terms of having peace and prosperity,
you could say his presidency was a success. But he
wasn't a good guy obviously, you know Monica and everything
else that he had done in the past. So yeah,
you could split the two. And this is what people
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are saying about Charlie and just taking all of his
all of his speeches, everything he said completely out of context,
and now he lost his life for it. Again, He's
going to be so much bigger in death than he
was in life, which is hard to think about. But
when you also think about what have they had now,
something like seventy five thousand chapter requests throughout the country
for I.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Think twenty thousand that much.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, it was like, I think that was the other day,
so I think it was one hundred and twenty thousand.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It's like the old Tesla stock like every day, if
you don't check it, you're like, wow, it's at here.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Now one hundred and twenty thousand.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
And Erica Kirk is the person. I can't believe the
strength that she has here. I mean, she was there
when her husband was killed. She's got to still raise
a three and a one year old. The three thear
old absolutely knew who Charlie was and probably asked about
him every day. And I had the strength that she
did to speak the way she did at that memorial
last week is just incredible. So the Left can like
hate on him all they want, but in the end,
(07:43):
Charlie's going to be much bigger than all these peons
that are trying to take his legacy down.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
It's like I saw the clip the other day when
he was closing Fox and Friends and his daughter is
like daddy and right, you know, it's like and ran
up and gave him a big hug on set it.
And then I also saw this great video that was
put together. I don't know who put it together, but
it's this, you know, liberal on TikTok being like no
one's gonna remember Charlie, you know, and he's not gonna
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leave a legacy, like he's nobody, you know, that kind
of thing, and then it just shows like just you know,
millions of people around the world celebrating his life and
like coming to crisis. It's like a really powerful video
just showing how much of an impact Charlie has had,
even you know, before his death, but even more so
after his assassination of people just realizing the evil that
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we're up against, but like talking about that evil and.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
The framing of all this.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It's like the mainstream media they seemed more aggrieved by
Jimmy Kimmel's brief suspension than about a thirty year old
young man who is a devoted father, a devoted.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Husband, and you know, a good person. Right.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
They seemed more aggrieved by a brief suspension than a
loss of a human life.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Do you think that's an accurate statement? And what is
tell us about the media today.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Completely and totally and it tells, oh, they're so hypocritical.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I cannot take this anymore.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Where they're talking about how free speech is under attack,
democracy is under attack Trump from Trump Trump Trump. You
go back and look at the statements of between twenty
twenty one and twenty twenty five where you have like
Brian Stelter, for example, CNN, he literally was calling cable
operators like a Comcast for example, Time Warner, whoever you
have in your area of Horizon Bios and asking how
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can they carry a network that engages in misinformation and
hates speech like Fox does, and was looking to get
people on the record to basically say, you know what,
maybe In other words, he was running as an activist
trying to get not one person off the air at Fox,
the whole network, right, that is beyond censorship. And by
the way, he was doing it for because his boss
(09:50):
was telling him too, because Fox quadruples or more CNN
so and it again beat him, I guess, try to
get him off the air. Now he's screaming about how
free speech is under attack. And by the way, it's
not free speech that's under attack with Kimmel because Kimmel
again he said this himself in twenty twenty eight Lisa,
where he said you could say whatever you want, but
a network doesn't have to pay you to say it.
(10:11):
He said that after Roseanne Barr was fired in twenty
twenty eight from ABC, and boy, he was exactly right
about that. So Jimmy Kimmel, if the affiliates say we
don't like what he is saying in the light of
Charlie Kirk's murder, he won't won't apologize. We don't have
to carry his show on our affiliates Sinclair and Nexttar
if we don't want to.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
And that's their freedom of speech.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
That's them doing what's in the best interest of their customers.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
So that's not free speech being squashed.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
That's the free market, and the free market also says
that Jimmy Kimmel for years now has been a distant
third and a four horse race.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
In late night.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Greg Gottfeld often doubled his audience despite having you know,
you've been on Greg's show before. The staff is like eight,
when Kimmel has like a hundred, and Greg's still doubling
his ratings.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
And he was losing tens of millions of dollars for Disney.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So I always argue, it's not like take him off
the air because he said something bad. Take him off
the air because he's losing your network a ton of money.
And he's a toxic brand. And when your supply is
toxic and your demand isn't there, you go bye bye,
like Colbert is yet now Kimmel all this week since
he's been back talking about how President Trump is trying
to take him in Colbert off the air. No, Trump
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has nothing to do with this, because if he did,
Kim wouldn't be back on the air right now.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Now, what do you quick break?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Stay with us?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
If you like what you're hearing, please share on social
media or maybe send it to a friend or a
family member.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
People, you know, make.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Mistakes, but his was just an outright lie, and you
saw even with ABC News reporter Matt Gutman, he apologized.
He said some weird things about basically trying to like,
you know, between Tyler Robinson, the you know, legised assassin and.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
He's trying to protect him.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, yeah, trying to say that this was like some
love story. You know, there's like really weird comments about
how it's like a love story and you know, sort
of like sympathizing with the killer and his lover. And
you know, he ended up apologizing, So like why as
an EBC, you know, they don't want to suspend them indefinitely.
I mean, we know next Star in Sinclaara so far
have said that they're not airing the Jimmy Kimmel Show,
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but you know, why not at least just force an apology.
Say hey, look, the condition of your return to air
is just apologizing for lying and like committing.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
To get the facts straight. Like at the very least that.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Would seem like the respectable and honorable thing to do
is just admit he was wrong.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, I think they're scared.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I think they're scared of all these actors and producers
just said we will never work with Disney again unless
you put Jimmy Kimmel back in the air.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
But he's losing us tens of millions of dollars. Put
it back in the air, damn it.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
We don't care, like they live in a fantasy land
that where you know, business is business and money is
money and you need profits in order to stay in business.
So yeah, I think the boycotts freaked him out a bit.
And I think what they want to do now least
is Kimmel's contract is up in a couple of months,
so when the contract ends, they just don't have to
renew it. And no one can say, oh, woll Trump
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took him off the air. There's about free speech, and
Kimmel can go to like Netflix and Hulu tomorrow and
just do a show there and probably make the same
amount of money without the fear of like advertiser revolt
or affiliate revolt, and everybody will be happy.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
So again, he's not getting his free speech taken away
from him.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
He could go on substack tomorrow and join all his
friends like Don Lemon and Chuck Todd and Terry Moran
and Joy Reid and say.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Whatever the hell he wants.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
So I think he'd be happier doing that, quite frankly,
but I think Disney Nan wants to run out the
clock and quietly not renew his contract instead of having
all the heat on them like they did over the
last week from all these producers and actors.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
How much does it her ABC's bottom line For Sinclair
at Next Star to say, who own a bunch of
the ABC affiliates to say we're not going to run
the show, they lose.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
About twenty two percent of their audience.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I mean, it's a lot of cities, not the major
major ones like New York for example, but Washington, d
C is a Sinclair station, for example, so you can't
watch Kimmel there.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I think it's sustainable.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
You know, you can look at Kimmel's numbers from earlier
this week and you're like, wow, six million people tuned in,
which was his highest ever.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
But that's going to go away in a hurry.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
That was just people tuing in to see how he
would react, and he'll go right back to third place again.
So I think again, I think they're willing to eat
the loss in the short term, and then when they
could get rid of Kimmel quietly, then they just do that.
And quite frankly, you could put on celebrity Family Feud
or Dancing with the Stars for almost no money and
still get the number that Kimmel was getting.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
So I think that's the game plan overall.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
You know how much you know, we're seeing a lot
of changes in the media landscape. You know, you look
at these changes with CBS and like CNN could potentially
be purchased. I what does that mean for like both
network and cable tv.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I think it means that what we grew up with,
at least what I grew up with her you just
turned thirty one. I think I'm a little older than you,
but I think overall, like I grew up with av
forty jail.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
But that's okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Okay, Well you're aging quite well, my friend.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Thank you. It takes a lot of work. But that's
another conversation.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
It's all that's are out. You're a volunteer.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
They all age well, say ABC, CBS, NBC, Like that's
what I grew up with.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Channel's two, four, and seven here in New York.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Now it's just become so splintered, and there's so many options.
And I don't know about you, but the way I
get my news, I'll watch I'll watch two or three
shows on Fox. I'm not going to show favoritism, but
those are ones I'll at least DVR, and then this
way I could get through the commercials and watch it
in you know, like forty one minutes or whatever. But
then overall, I like to walk the dogs a lot,
(15:36):
hike a lot, you know, working out more. I'm a
podcast person, right, I will listen to the Truth of
Lisa Booth. I listened to the Ruthless Guys, who I
think are hilarious and informative. I think Ben Shapiro does
a good job. I like Chafis's and Dana's podcast like
I I'm just a podcast like Junkie basically, like in
the car, I haven't listened to music in my car
(15:56):
in years.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
So I think like podcasts are.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
The next big great thing, and otherwise everything else is
like you get your news from Twitter by looking at
a clip that somebody posts that somebody said on CNN
that was like profoundly stupid, and you got your fix.
So I think the days of sitting down and watching
the news like people used to with Kronkite or Peter Jennings,
Tom Brokaw, I think those days are long, oh, long gone.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I think the big contract.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Days are long gone, where you're like, oh boy, we
could get Anderson Cooper for twelve million dollars and see
and then no, you could get somebody who could get
the same ratings for you know, two hundred thousand a
year and be quite happy. So I think the celebrity,
big time days of TV news are over, and I
think everybody's going to go into their own silos and
it'll be survival of the fittest and everybody will try
(16:41):
to be the next Joe Rogan.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
That's what I think you get.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
To sort of you know, I guess, well, then, how
much of this is the media zone making and the
sense of like I remember there was, uh, there was
a anonymous TV executive or media executive.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I think it was in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I'm trying to forget or I'm forgetting off the top
of my head, which publication was in, but it was
part of the twenty twenty four election, and the person
essentially said it was anonymously said that the mainstream media
is dead if President Trump were to win, because it
would basically mean that, like they're no longer able to
like brainwash the population, you know, And so how much
of this is the media's own doing in the sense,
(17:22):
whether it's the you know, trying to downplay that this
recent Dallas sniper shooting at an ICE facility that it
was driven by hating Ice, trying to downplay that, or
trying to downplay the you know, Charlie Kirk's political assassin,
his assassin that you know, the leanings of his killer. Like,
you know, how much of it is the media sort
(17:43):
of destroying itself?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I mean it's even before like Charlie and the Ice
story that we saw today obviously making a very obvious statement.
But I go back to the way Obama was treated
in the two thousand and eight election. John McCain had
no shot there, like he was going to be appointed
one way or another. So reporters and journalists they say
that in scare quotes, can say, oh, we were part
(18:05):
of history, we helped make history happen, and then they
continue through the Obama years, and then when Trump won
in twenty sixteen, that was such an ironic moment because
shows like Morning Joe had Trump on forty one times
before that election, and they yucked it up with him,
like they were called brown nosers by Rolling Stone magazine,
(18:25):
Like liberals hated the fact that Joe and Mika had
him on so much, and so did Saturday Night Live.
So did by the way, Trump did Kimmel, Colbert and
Jimmy fallon before that election, as well as well as
Saturday Night Live. In other words, everybody had him on
because he was great for ratings, because they thought he
could never win. They're like, it's there's no risk in
doing this, let's just play kadum and then sure enough he.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Wins and they all turn on him like, oh my god,
I can't believe this.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Then from there everything goes downhill as far as our
media is concerned. Completely Russia collusion. That was probably a big,
big moment. COVID was a big moment as far as
if you said that co came from a lab, you
literally had your social media account shut down.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
That's insane.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
And then obviously everything through the Biden years, where the
Biden administration was more about censorship than any that we've
ever seen in history. The member of the Government Disinformation Board,
the Ministry of Truth, I mean, this was some pretty
orwelling and stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
And then obviously the chief fakes.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
With Biden and the media telling us that no, he's
really fine, his brain didn't turn apple sauce. He's got
the physical prowess of Sakuon Barkley and the mental fitness
of Stephen Hawking. You know, like just being blatantly lied to,
Like what you're seeing and what you're hearing is not happening,
listen to us. And then when Trump wins again after
they tried to push Kamala as hard as they could,
I think they're just completely broken. And you see the numbers, lease,
(19:43):
I mean, CNN can't even draw five hundred thousand viewers
to their primetime shows at night.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Five hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
That's eight thousand viewers per state, and they're in one
hundred million homes.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
How is that sustainable? MSNBC almost not too much better.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Fox, on the other hand, we have a show called
The Five, which you're on quite often. They could get
four million people at five o'clock in the afternoon, two
o'clock on the West coast. So we're doing fine because
we actually have a news division that reports the news
can do so objectively. Whether we're talking about Brett or
Hammer or Harris, I could go down the line.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
So yeah, Fox is doing the right thing.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
And plus, by the way, we don't take ourselves too seriously,
kind of have some fun sometimes that helps too. There
is a little bit of an entertainment aspect to this
as well when warranted.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
So yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Overall, yes, it's almost entirely the media's fault where.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
They sit right now.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
And then some of it obviously is technology in terms
of having options given to other people. But as we're seeing,
media is being rejected and the options the free market
is winning out here. As far as podcasts are concerned,
I keep going back to podcasts, but I mean, it
really is the next wave.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I think we're already there, actually quick break.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
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Speaker 1 (20:47):
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Speaker 2 (20:54):
How much a role does in media play in.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Sort of leading to the political violence that we've seen,
because I was seeing out this earlier today, like even
looking at all the attacks on police officers that we
saw in the aftermath of the lies about Michael Brown,
you know, they try to paint the the you know,
cops is races. And then you had the Dallas shooting
where the guy in the name of Black Lives Matter
killed a bunch of police officers, and you know other
(21:20):
uh you know, related shootings and killings of police officers
relating to that. So it's like, you know, I guess
how much of them How much of a role does
the media have in sort of leading to this uh
environment that we live in now where there are these
like political killings.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
It's so it's such a huge role.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I mean, and it's not even just media like we
think of it, like you know, NBC, CBS, ABC, it's
it's Gavin Newsome going on Colbert two nights ago, and
you know, basically saying that Ice is the Gestapo, and
take off your masks and if you won't take it off,
will take it off for you. I mean, again, this
is supposed to be a comedy, but instead you have
a leading presidential candidate as far as the nomination of
(22:03):
his party.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Again bashing Ice.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
You have Tim Walls, a vice presidential candidate, calling them
the Gestapo, Dan Golden New York Gestapo, Keem Jeffries Gestapo.
I mean they're using Nazi language to describe agents who
are trying to remove the most violent criminals here in
this country illegally. I mean it is political suicide. And
the media will put on the loudest voices, the most
(22:26):
provocative voices possible, because they're looking for that cheap click
or viral moment. And that's why Jasmine Crockett now is
the face of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
When she can.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Say things like well, just because you commit a crime,
you're not a criminal, or she could call the governor
of Texas governor hot wheels when he's sitting in a wheelchair,
or when she can call Trump a hitler wannabe or
Elon Musk, I want him taken out for my birthday,
and we know what that means. She gets the most
airtime now because she says the craziest things.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
And if you reward.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
People like that, you know, these people don't book themselves
on these shows. Usually it's the So if Dana Bash
wants Jasmine Crockett on Stay of the Union is supposed
to be a serious show, she's going to get him,
or Anderson Cooper or Chris Hayes or Rachel Maddow.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I could go down the line.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
They're platforming people who are saying dangerous things. You could
talk about free speech, but I'm sorry when when when
you go to Nazi type of language to describe federal agents,
it's going to get somebody killed eventually. Somebody was killed
already in Dallas. It wasn't a nice agent. But we're
at this point now where it's only a matter of
when not if.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So is that the intention? Then? Are they trying to
get people killed?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I think no, I think they're they're they're thinking of themselves, Lisa,
as far as like media members like how do I
get the most eyeballs on my show?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
How do I get a cliptic viral on my show?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
So you're not going to You're not going to book
somebody like John Fetterman anymore because Fetterman actually is a
voice of reason within the Democratic Party and he doesn't
say provocative things.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
He's a common sense guy.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
He's probably the only one in the Senate that you
can say that about about Democrats.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
So he's not going to get a booking.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
But AOC is going to get a booking, and Bernie
is going to get a booking, and and and Donnie's
going to get a booking because they're the ones that
are going to bring more eyeballs from the far left.
And the way you do that is to say things
that get people either fearful or angry, and that's what's
getting rewarded right now by so many of these media outlets.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Is there anything else you want to leave us with,
Joe before we go?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So, how do you feel about the big weekend show
now being a three hour lift? I'm excited about it,
but boy, I've never done a three hour show before.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I you, yeah, I've filled in on Fox and Friends.
That's right, A bunch.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, but then that's yeah, that's well three hours during
the weekday and four hours on the weekend.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
But that's different because when you do that show, you're.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Not on every single segment and then breaks throughout the
four hours and then during the weekends and then and
also you do like you know, segments where you're like
getting up and going outside and like you know, we're
eating with food, you know what I mean. So it's
like very interactive, so it actually kind of flies by.
I'm not sure about the three hours we'll see. I mean, look,
the show has been doing really well. Obviously a big
(25:04):
fan of everyone on it, you know, big fan of
Tommy and Joey who just got named as co hosts.
But yeah, three hours a lot, so we'll say. But
you know, the show's doing great so far, so they
seem to know what they're doing with it.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
So hopefully you're on a week from this weekend.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I think it's the first weekend in October, because I
will be on there for the first three hour shows,
so hopefully we were paired together.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
She usually got here it.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Was, but I'm not going to do that one now,
but I will be on at the end of the
month in October.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I'm working my wife's birthday that Sunday, my show, like
like you have her like come in and meet me
for dinner, like right when the show ONSID eight o'clock and.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, birthday, happy wife, Happy life, Joe. Didn't you know this?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
No?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I know, but she hates her birthday like she's at
that age where you used to like love it, like
when you turned eighteen or twenty one, and now it's like, oh,
I don't even want to celebrate. I'm getting old, but
she's not. But you know it's that, is it right?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I hate it, like, no, don't celebrate me.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
And then when you do, she's like excited about it
or is it like legit, like I don't want anything
to do with it.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
It's not happening.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I think it's more that.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
But I keep, you know, I keep more hinting than
I want to throw a surprise party for And she's like,
if you do that, she goes, you know, because she's
a doctor.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
She's like, I can kill you and no one will
know that I did it. Mike, you don't do right.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
True, I would take that threat seat maybe then just
take you take her out to dinner, just you two.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I'd be sweet.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
We should double date with the guy. I think that, Yeah,
I would love that. He's probably bigger than me. Though,
so I don't know if I like that quarterback.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Talk off about that. Okay, very good, Concha. You did.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
You did write his parents a very sweet note in
your book and they were thrilled about that.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
That was very kind to you.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
And by the way, let's plug that book the greatest
comeback ever.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
But yeah, they love that, so it was very Sweetio.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Joe Conscia is a good guy for the folks that
listen are listening, so uh, Conja, appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Thanks so much for coming on. Hope to see you
see my friend.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Who it's always a pleasure season was Joe Concha.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Appreciate him for taking the time to come on the show.
I appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday
and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. I
also want to thank John Cassio and my producer for
putting the show together.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Until next time.
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