September 9, 2024 • 34 mins
In this episode, Lisa discusses the complexities of foreign influence in U.S. politics, focusing on Russia and China. The Department of Justice's recent seizure of domains linked to a Russian influence campaign sets the stage for a broader examination of foreign meddling. Rebekah Koffler, a former intelligence officer and author, provides expert analysis on Russia's influence operations and the ongoing war in Ukraine. The conversation also touches on China's infiltration of U.S. politics and the broader implications of foreign adversaries' actions. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Russia, Russia, Russia, Well, Russia's back in the news. The
Department of Justice has insisted on that they just announced
the Department of Justice did that they were seizing thirty
two domains tied to Russian influence campaign. Basically, these court
documents alleged that rt a Russia state media network which
(00:20):
was previously called Russia Today, that they deployed nearly ten
million dollars to finance and direct a Tennessee based online
content company to post videos I guess, you know, allegedly
pushing propaganda and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
But we've seen a.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Lot of this, right, I mean, we recently found out
that Governor Kathy Hokel had an alleged Chinese spy working
for her office for nearly a decade. That comes on
the heels of previously learning that Eric Swolwell was caught
with a Chinese spy having connections to Fengfeng. We know
that Diane Feinstein Center, Diane Feinstein had employed a Chinese.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Spies your driver for quite some time.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
You know. There's also been newss are on Envoy Robert
Malley had a security clearance suspended was also under investigation
by the FBI. Senator Bob Menendez how to resign following
a conviction for acting as an agent for the Egyptian government.
You know, Mayor Adams is under investigation in relation to Turkey.
(01:19):
So a lot of influence by foreign actors, right, you know,
this is all what's been alleged, a lot of this influence.
So why the specific focus on Russia by the left
and the media. I think most normal people would say, hey, look,
I don't want any foreign adversary to be messing with
our country. I don't want them infiltrating or politicians. I
(01:42):
don't want them having influence in our public policy decisions
that are lawmakers are making. I think that's a normal
conclusion for us all to draw of saying all these countries,
I just listed our enemies. They're not our friends.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
So why just the focus on Russia?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And why now when you know there were some you know,
conservative people tied up in the recent DOJ drop, you know,
particularly after we've already seen the FBI and the Department
of Justice engaged in the Russia hoax against Donald Trump.
We know that fifty one former intelligence officers lied to
US about Russian disinformation, claiming that Hunter Biden's laptop was
Russian disinformation? So what a make of all of this?
(02:19):
You know Rebecca Kaufler, we've had her on the show before.
She's the author of Putin's playbook, Russia's Secret Plan to
Defeat America. She's also a former intelligence officer who served
as a Russian doctrine and strategy specialist in the Defense
Intelligence Agency from twy and eight to twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
We're going to get her take on all of this.
What should you know?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
How much influence do these enemy nations have in our country?
And why this dropped from the Department of Justice now
heading into the election. What's the intention behind it? Is
it just because people did something bad or are they
trying to again influence our elections. We'll also get into
to where the war between Russia and Ukraine stand today.
It's hard to really know, so we'll dig into that
(03:02):
with her. So a lot to get to stay tuned for.
Rebecca Coffler. Well, Rebecca, it's great to have you.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Back on the show. Appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Of course, thanks for having me, Lisa.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I wanted to get you know, Russia is back in
the news. I mean, I guess it really hasn't left.
But so the Justice Department just announced that it was
seizing thirty two domains tied to what they call a
Russian influence campaign. They alleged that, you know, these influencers
were basically used in the United States on behalf of
(03:39):
Russia to push propaganda. What do you make of this
announcement from the Department of Justice and what should people
know about it?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Sure two things, Lisa. Yes, Russia traditionally does try to
into veen in the US elections, right, just like China does,
and a lot of other countries do. Any major US
adversary with their standard intelligence service does that, just like
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the United States. We do that to other countries. There's
a doctrine that the Russians have of elections sabotaged. And yes,
this announcement is accurate, but only partially because the Russians
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don't do this to elect a specific person. They know
that they are not capable of that it's the US
voter that chooses the US president. They do that for
a completely different reason. They do that to foment conditions
for social unrest. There's another doctrine called control instability. But
(05:01):
what's also interesting about the timing of this release, the
US spy agencies are actually either deliberately not understand either
unintentionally they don't understand the Russian doctrine, or they understand it,
and they push this narrative right now saying that the
(05:23):
Russians are trying to elect Donald Trump, they favored Trump,
And isn't it interesting that just two months before the election,
here we go again they're pushing that very same narrative.
It's them for trying to intervene in the election. It's
the US spy agency instead are trying to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
In my assess, you know, they said that the documents
alleged that you know, RTI, which used to be Russia today,
deployed nearly ten million to finance in direct to Tennessee
based online content creation company to post certain videos. I
guess you'd kind of mention of what some of the
things that Russia tries to do. How influential have their
(06:06):
actions been and you know, trying to push some of
these propaganda, you know, I mean, is it effective at all?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Do you think?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Well, it depends on how you measure effectiveness. Again, what
the Russians are trying to do, they are trying to
pit Americans against one another. Uh, they're tailoring their narratives
to drive divisions among like religious people versus non religious people,
(06:35):
right pro police and against police. So but we, in fact,
we are already doing it to ourselves, right, just by
virtue of Kamala Harris. You know, she comes out and
she starts, you know, targeting certain people also, like Christians,
(06:58):
like JD. Van like she's attacking him. And so what
the Russians are trying to do they is simply amplifying this.
But if you measure effectiveness but by Russian ability to
actually change votes, then no, they don't have such capability.
They have not changed a single vote. So they're creating
(07:22):
all of that commotion, but it's not effective when it
comes to actual election influence. It's more of creating disorder.
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It's the timing suspicions on behalf of the Department of Justice.
You know, they typically have a sixty day rule of
sort of impartiality to not try to influence elections. Obviously,
you know there are you know, quote unquote conservative commentators
that are you know named in here and have been
in the news with this. You know, obviously conservatives have
suspicions on the way the Department of Justice and the
(08:00):
FBI have handled things involving Russia in the past. You know,
we all saw, we've discussed the Russia hoax that was
weaponized against Donald Trump, and then we also saw, you know,
fifty one former intelligence officers lie about Hunter Biden's laptop
to the public, saying it was Russian disinformation when it
was not. So I guess, does this timing of this
(08:20):
strike you, as you know, interesting or suspicious on behalf
of the Department of Justice, or you know, kind of
what do you make of that aspect of this?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
One hundred percent, I am very very suspicious of the
timing of this release. And here's why. I mean, we
already know that the Obama administration, the spy agencies, and
the Department of Justice completely weaponized the bureaucracy against Donald
(08:52):
Trump to create that Russia Trump collusion hoax that never existed.
And at that point, at that time, I was in
the intelligence service, right in the intelligence community, in the
DiiA Defense Intelligence Agency, and we know that, and I
knew back then that it's John Brennan, the Obama CIA director,
(09:17):
James Comy, Obama's FBI director, and James Clapp of the
Director of National Intelligence in the Obama administration, they drove
the creation of the so called Intelligence Community Assessment that
was published the declassified version of it on January seventh,
(09:40):
or six, rather twenty seventeen, and that assessment claimed that
the Russians preferred Trump, and there was there and that's
what pushed out that false narrative of the collusion, and
that's when the whole thing started. And here they come again, right,
(10:01):
And all they need to do is just so doubt
in the minds of Americans and use the word Trump
in the word Russia or Trump and Pudtin in the
same sentence. And certain people who are already preconditioned to
believe that they immediately will eat it up. And so
(10:22):
that's exactly the interesting bit about this, Lisa, is that
that's exactly how the Russians operate as well. They never
try to convert a person who is of the opposite
belief right. If you are a conservative, the Russians are
never trying to make you a liberal. But they already
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are planting certain narratives to people who already to predispose
for certain beliefs. And the Justice Department adopted Putent's playbook.
So they're doing the very exact same thing. And people
who the only thing that they listen to see is
a CNN and if they read New York Times, which
basically has become the US version of Pravda, right, the
(11:08):
Soviet Pravda, it's the it's the regime newspaper supporting the
Harris Biden administration. And so those people who already predisposed
to believe all of these hoaxes that are coming out
of US by agencies and the Justice Department, they're going
to believe that. And so, in fact, like I said,
(11:29):
it's the Justice Department that is trying to influence the
election by spreading, by amplifying this narrative.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
We've got a quick commercial break more with Rebecca on
the other side. We've also just seen a lot of this,
you know, across the board. I mean, we just learned that,
you know, Governor Kathy Hochel had an alleged Chinese spy
working for her office for nearly a decade. It was
the former deputy chief of staff, Linda Sun. She was
(11:59):
charged with eating Chinese officials.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Eric Swollwell of course, was tied to Fengfeing a Chinese spy.
You know, we know that Diane Feinstein had employed a
Chinese spy. I think it was their driver for a
long period of time. You know, unknowingly, we know that
the Biden family has close ties to a lot of
Chinese business individuals and Chinese companies. Uh, you know, I
(12:25):
guess you know, how did how does China operate you know,
to China and Rush operate similarly to influence elections? Or
how does China you know do it? It seems like
most of the their ties have been to democrats. We
have Tim Walls, the vice president nominee for for DEMS,
who has visited China something like thirty times. Like I
(12:47):
guess is the Chinese does China more specifically target democrats?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It seems is that is that the case?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
If so, why you know, what do you kind of
make of China's desire to inflo and how they've got
about it?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yes, the Chinese actually have penetrated the entire democratic apparatus
if you will, and you I don't even need to
name those, you have already done it, right, so uh,
and they do that for decades. They have infiltrated operatives
(13:23):
and these are intelligence officers. But they are unique in
the sense that they are here not necessarily to collect secrets,
although if opportunity to present themselves, they do that too,
But they are here to infiltrate the Democratic Party and
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get close to decision makers within the US government so
they can influence policy. And so all of these people
have been very close to the Democratic Party, and they've
been trying to uh to shape our laws, right because
(14:07):
remember the Congress people are creating, uh, the legislative branch
is uh writing and implementing these laws. But people who
are putting certain narratives into the brains of people like
(14:28):
Dane Feinstein and all of these Eric Swolfo, they are
under the influence of the policies of the Chinese government.
And so everything that we see right now unfolding, especially
during the election season, is a result of decades worth
(14:50):
of influence, not just months, not just days or weeks, decades,
And that's how China operates well.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And that's just you know Russia and you know China.
You know, we also saw that you know, Biden's are
on envoy Robert Bally had his Maley had his security
clearance suspended, has been investigated by the FBI as well.
And then you have New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez how
to resign after being convicted for acting as an agent
(15:18):
on behalf of the Egyptian government. So it's like it
kind of makes you wonder how much of our public
policy is dictated by foreign influenced a lot?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
And that's and that's a good question. And that is
because the foreign advisories they have figured out how our
system works, right, and we have something called lobbying in
for example, like Russia doesn't have lobby and lobbying is
in America. It's a it's a legitimate way of shaping laws, right,
(15:52):
it's a it's a legal way of shaping laws. But
it was not meant to be used by foreign adversaries.
And so they've been paying attention. And that's exactly what
they're trying to do, is covert lowering by placing these operatives,
you know, Chinese, Iranians, the Russians, by the way, they
do the same thing. Remember the keen Russian operatives that
(16:18):
former President Obama sent back to Russia. Unfortunately, right, instead
of turning them and flipping them and having them work
for US intelligence, he just sent them back to Russia.
But that's exactly what they were doing here as well,
and they got very close to Hillary Clinton's circle, and
that's exactly why the FBI pulled the trigger on arresting
(16:42):
those ten illegals. That's another form of a contestine intelligence officer.
They're called illegals I legalis in Russian. So all of
these countries do that, and unfortunately there's no account to both.
And nobody sat down and actually reviewed these laws and
(17:04):
some does this law actually benefit the United States or
does it benefit another country? And especially right now when
we see, for example, a report has come out on
deployment report that is actually foreign born the folks here
(17:25):
in America that gaining more jobs than American born, Right,
how did that happen? Well, Kamala Harris have led all
of these people in and it's not just crime that
the result is. It's not just crime, it's also changing
(17:45):
the entire employment landscape of this country. How did that
idea come to Kamala Harris and to her circle whoever
is pushing that, who originally planted that idea? And it's
definitely not in the interest of US security, or US
stability or even economic prosperity of the American people. It's
(18:09):
in someone else's interest, it's very clear.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, and you've got a lot of foreign money going
to universities in the country as well. And then you've
got the Biden family into the Department of Justice found
that they've made something like twenty seven million dollars from
you know, foreign entities and foreign business people. It's very
hard to imagine that that didn't influence policy making, you know,
Joe Biden's policy making decisions. And to your point, you know,
(18:34):
we're supposed to have the Foreign Asians Registration Act, which
in my opinion, should be heavily enforced across the board,
but unfortunately we sort of see an unequal application of it.
It's typically used for political reasons, and I think if
it was actually applied universally and evenly and justly and
not in the name of politics, that might go a
(18:55):
long way and keeping some of this you know, foreign influence,
or at least keeping people honest knowing who's you know
working on behalf of hill.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
You know, I wanted to shift gears for for a
minute and just kind of get from you. You know,
what's it's hard to really ever know what's going on
with the war between Russia and Ukraine. Where do things
stand right now in that war?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yes, it is very hard. And you know why, Lisa,
is because the US media is really not covering it accurately.
Because again there's this narrative, very simplistic narrative that is
spread not just in the years but across Western media,
and it's very simplistic. Put in bads, let's get good,
(19:41):
Russia bad, Ukraine good. So here's what's going on. Effectively,
this war is in a stalemate. But uh, there's no
military path for victory for Ukraine and so eventually you
Raine will collapse. That is my professional intelligence assessment. And
(20:05):
here's why from the very beginning this fight was an
unfair fight. You have a small country of Ukraine with
forty three million people population and you have Russia with
one hundred and forty three million population. In the military
that the Pentagon itself has designated as a near peer competitor.
(20:29):
What does it mean a peer competitor. It means that
the Russian military, both capability wise and doctrine wise, is
comparable to US military. How do I know this to
be true is because again it's codified already within the
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Pentagon's doctrine. I personally in June briefed the Northern Command
Combatant Command. Northern Command is on North comb we call
it is the command that is protecting the United States
from foreign missile strikes, including from Russia, China, et cetera.
I was briefing them on the Russian war fighting strategy
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and Putin's mindset. They are very concerned about escalation. And
so despite the fact that we have all these media
types saying how the Russian military doesn't know, you know,
how to properly hold an ik, you know, forty seven.
I'm kind of, you know, marking a little bit tight here,
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but that's what essentially they've been saying. The Russians can't fight. Eventually,
Ukraine is going to be destroyed because it's already the
critical infrastructure is almost entirely destroyed. By Putin has prepared
to fight a very long, protracted war It's called the
war of attrition trinally, and he will prevail simp because
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Russia has three times more people and it has a transition.
Putting has traditioned its military and economy on a wartime
footing seven years prior to the invasion, so he is
going to our class and we, on the other hand,
all of this weaponry that we have provided to Ukraine
and two hundred million dollars worth of military assistance, both
(22:25):
in cash and the military hardware, we are depleting our
own arsenal already, right we are two dangerously low levels
one hundred and fifty five millimeter shells and a javelin stingers.
It's going to take us anywhere from five to eighteen
years to replace. And so who understands that those resources
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are not finite and the patients of the American voter
and the taxpay is not finite either, And so the
longer the lens Ski weights to negotiate, the more Ukraine
is going to be destroyed. And it's already ceasing to
exist as a viable independent country because it completely relies
(23:14):
on us, the United States and on the West for
its existence. We're providing about fifty percent of its GDP,
and the Ukraine government will collapse as soon as we
pull that assistance.
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you know, there's been a lot of reporting on Ukraine's
offensive into Russia's Cursk Cursk, I'm saying that region. Yes,
you know, what do you make of that offensive? Does
that changed the dynamics of the war at all?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
You know?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Is there a significance to that? You know, I guess
what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
So there's there's.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
A little bit of significance here in the sense that
Lendscape has demonstrated that he is able to.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
To violate Russia's traditional red line. What is the red line?
The territorial integrity and sovereignty of Russia has not been
violated since World War Two. Well, Zelenski was able to
do that, but Putin has retaliated massively. Uh, And it's
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not going to dramatically change anything in terms of the
dynamics of the war and in terms of the outcome
of the war. The reason why Zlanskap did that, in
my assessment, is because he wanted to demonstrate to the
United States and to the West that he can stay
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in the fight. Because what he's concerned right now is
to lose, you know, to lose our money, to lose
our military hardware. And he's also desperate because remember Zelenski,
because the entire career is dependent on this narrative that
the Western media has created that he is this amazing
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you know, democratic leader Churchill in the T shirt, and
nothing can be further from the truth. Z Lanski is
a mini cho whutin he is only you know he's
he's not a democratic leader because he has outlawed all
of the opposition. He outlawed all of the independent media
in Ukraine. The intelligence services who work for Zelenski, the SBU,
(26:48):
s Luzburg Spee Ukraine, they grant Ukrainian men off the
street to send them to the front line because nobody
wants to go fight anymore. And so this man is
effectively having its own country destroyed by unwilling to actually
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come up with achievable war goals, because he has articulated
his definition of victory to be able to kick the
Russians out of the entire Ukraine, and that's unachievable because
Russians control about twenty percent of Ukraine. And so the
fighting is going to go on as long as nobody
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pushes Pudin and Zolenski to sit down at the table
and actually negotiate and stop the senseless dying of Ukrainians
because these are healthy, young European men, you know, child
producing age, that are simply being illuminated from the Dean pool,
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if you will, Right now.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Before we go, why is the left so obsessed with Russia?
I think most normal people objectively would say, Okay, Russia
is not her friend, China is not her friend, Iran
is not her friend, and recognize that these countries are adversaries.
But then the media and the left only focus on
you know, they ignore the Chinese infiltration into our country,
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they ignore the Iranian infiltration, but they solely focus on
the Russian infiltration. It's just it's strange. You would think
that we would be equally concerned about any enemy nation,
any adversary trying to influence impact metal with her country,
but it's only Russia they focus on. You know, why
are they so obsessed with Russia?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Well that's the one question that I'm afraid I can't answer, Lisa,
because I've been bewildered myself, because you have Shi Jimping,
who is as much of a dictator and as much
of a murder right, if you will, as look what's
going on with the wiers, right, it's there's there's effectively
(29:02):
genocide that's going on. Uh, and yet we are you know,
in on good terms relatively speaking with with China because
we're so dependent on the economically. I have no idea
why there's such an obsession, uh with Russia. My only
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guest is that there's such a preconceived institutional anti Russia
bias because remember, uh, the United States and uh the
Union have been at war sort of uh, non kinetic war,
but right the Cold War was lasting for decades and
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the United States has won. Although right now you're going
to actually, you know, argue the other way because the
United States is now basically turning into USSI to the
zero because of of the Sovietization of americ everything that
I experienced back in the year. So it's the censorship,
(30:04):
the government control, and it's all has come here to
the United States. But so I don't know, I don't
know exactly why there's such obsession with Russia. It beats me, honestly.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, and you've got like Iron saying death to America,
yet they've infiltrated the Biden administration. It's like you just think,
you know, it's just it's weird to me. It's like,
I think we could equally say that, you know, none
of these countries are our friends, we should be concerned about,
you know, any enemy influence into the country. But it's
just just strange the hyper focus on one country as
opposed to just you know, being concerned about all of it.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
But exactly, yeah, one thing, one thing I want to
mention here. Yes, we should be concerned, just like you said,
about all foreign adversaries, and we should be prepared for
the worst case scenario because yes, they're chanting the Iranians
death to Americans. And the intelligence community's assessment is that
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Iran has been developing clandesta networks within our country for
a decade, okay, and so and instead here we are
sending all of our weaponry to Ukraine, depleting our own arsenal.
We have China that is getting ready to invade Taiwan,
and one of the high rank in generals, who is
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the head of the Air Mobility Command, which is part
of the Transportation Command, has assessed that China can invade
Taiwan as early as twenty twenty five, which is just
a few months from now. And we actually, unlike Ukraine,
who is even not our traditional ally, right, it's not
part of NATO. Is just you know, somebody just decided
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we're going to make Ukraine an ally, but Taiwan, we
actually have an obligation to defend them. How are we
gonna and if things go bad? Both Russian and China
have the doctrine to target, at least in the beginning,
non kinetically, to target the United States. And we have
no answer for that because we are running out of
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capability by sending it to Ukraine, and we even have
forced is Rill to give some of the weaponry to Ukraine.
I mean, it makes no sense to me whoever is
running the show over there, And now I have no
idea who's running the show. It's clearly not Biden, but
that person is either incompetent or they maliciously are making
(32:36):
decisions that go against your security and against yours economic prosparity.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, and then we have open borders, and you know
you had mentioned the Iranian Clindestine you know, operations here
in the United States. We've we've basically rolled out the
red carpet for bad actors to get into the country.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
So you know, yes, I'm incasingly I'm increasingly concerned Lisa.
We have September eleventh next Wednesday, and with me being
the intelligence officer, I constantly watch for what we've on
the intelligence business. I am w indications and warnings, and
(33:15):
what I see right now in terms of threat level rising,
I really do not like. Because what you see in
Aurora right now in the Venezuelan Gang, that show is
coming to a city near you, and I am really
concerned about September eleven.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I am too, well, you know, prayers for safety of
the country. Yeah, we're going through some tough times and
so you know, hopefully Trump wins in November and hopefully
that we're able to turn the ship around and bring
some stability not only to the United States but around
the world as well, because we're sure as hell not
going to get that under Kamala Harris, so.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
And into that.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Rebecca Coffler, appreciate your time. Thanks so much for joining
the show and bring your insight. God bless that was
Rebecca Coefler. Appreciate her for taking the time to come
on the show. Appreciate you guys at home for listening
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putting the show together. Until next time.
Russia, Russia, Russia, Well, Russia's back in the news. The
Department of Justice has insisted on that they just announced
the Department of Justice did that they were seizing thirty
two domains tied to Russian influence campaign. Basically, these court
documents alleged that rt a Russia state media network which
(00:20):
was previously called Russia Today, that they deployed nearly ten
million dollars to finance and direct a Tennessee based online
content company to post videos I guess, you know, allegedly
pushing propaganda and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
But we've seen a.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Lot of this, right, I mean, we recently found out
that Governor Kathy Hokel had an alleged Chinese spy working
for her office for nearly a decade. That comes on
the heels of previously learning that Eric Swolwell was caught
with a Chinese spy having connections to Fengfeng. We know
that Diane Feinstein Center, Diane Feinstein had employed a Chinese.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Spies your driver for quite some time.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
You know. There's also been newss are on Envoy Robert
Malley had a security clearance suspended was also under investigation
by the FBI. Senator Bob Menendez how to resign following
a conviction for acting as an agent for the Egyptian government.
You know, Mayor Adams is under investigation in relation to Turkey.
(01:19):
So a lot of influence by foreign actors, right, you know,
this is all what's been alleged, a lot of this influence.
So why the specific focus on Russia by the left
and the media. I think most normal people would say, hey, look,
I don't want any foreign adversary to be messing with
our country. I don't want them infiltrating or politicians. I
(01:42):
don't want them having influence in our public policy decisions
that are lawmakers are making. I think that's a normal
conclusion for us all to draw of saying all these countries,
I just listed our enemies. They're not our friends.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
So why just the focus on Russia?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And why now when you know there were some you know,
conservative people tied up in the recent DOJ drop, you know,
particularly after we've already seen the FBI and the Department
of Justice engaged in the Russia hoax against Donald Trump.
We know that fifty one former intelligence officers lied to
US about Russian disinformation, claiming that Hunter Biden's laptop was
Russian disinformation? So what a make of all of this?
(02:19):
You know Rebecca Kaufler, we've had her on the show before.
She's the author of Putin's playbook, Russia's Secret Plan to
Defeat America. She's also a former intelligence officer who served
as a Russian doctrine and strategy specialist in the Defense
Intelligence Agency from twy and eight to twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
We're going to get her take on all of this.
What should you know?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
How much influence do these enemy nations have in our country?
And why this dropped from the Department of Justice now
heading into the election. What's the intention behind it? Is
it just because people did something bad or are they
trying to again influence our elections. We'll also get into
to where the war between Russia and Ukraine stand today.
It's hard to really know, so we'll dig into that
(03:02):
with her. So a lot to get to stay tuned for.
Rebecca Coffler. Well, Rebecca, it's great to have you.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Back on the show. Appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Of course, thanks for having me, Lisa.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I wanted to get you know, Russia is back in
the news. I mean, I guess it really hasn't left.
But so the Justice Department just announced that it was
seizing thirty two domains tied to what they call a
Russian influence campaign. They alleged that, you know, these influencers
were basically used in the United States on behalf of
(03:39):
Russia to push propaganda. What do you make of this
announcement from the Department of Justice and what should people
know about it?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Sure two things, Lisa. Yes, Russia traditionally does try to
into veen in the US elections, right, just like China does,
and a lot of other countries do. Any major US
adversary with their standard intelligence service does that, just like
(04:14):
the United States. We do that to other countries. There's
a doctrine that the Russians have of elections sabotaged. And yes,
this announcement is accurate, but only partially because the Russians
(04:35):
don't do this to elect a specific person. They know
that they are not capable of that it's the US
voter that chooses the US president. They do that for
a completely different reason. They do that to foment conditions
for social unrest. There's another doctrine called control instability. But
(05:01):
what's also interesting about the timing of this release, the
US spy agencies are actually either deliberately not understand either
unintentionally they don't understand the Russian doctrine, or they understand it,
and they push this narrative right now saying that the
(05:23):
Russians are trying to elect Donald Trump, they favored Trump,
And isn't it interesting that just two months before the election,
here we go again they're pushing that very same narrative.
It's them for trying to intervene in the election. It's
the US spy agency instead are trying to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
In my assess, you know, they said that the documents
alleged that you know, RTI, which used to be Russia today,
deployed nearly ten million to finance in direct to Tennessee
based online content creation company to post certain videos. I
guess you'd kind of mention of what some of the
things that Russia tries to do. How influential have their
(06:06):
actions been and you know, trying to push some of
these propaganda, you know, I mean, is it effective at all?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Do you think?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Well, it depends on how you measure effectiveness. Again, what
the Russians are trying to do, they are trying to
pit Americans against one another. Uh, they're tailoring their narratives
to drive divisions among like religious people versus non religious people,
(06:35):
right pro police and against police. So but we, in fact,
we are already doing it to ourselves, right, just by
virtue of Kamala Harris. You know, she comes out and
she starts, you know, targeting certain people also, like Christians,
(06:58):
like JD. Van like she's attacking him. And so what
the Russians are trying to do they is simply amplifying this.
But if you measure effectiveness but by Russian ability to
actually change votes, then no, they don't have such capability.
They have not changed a single vote. So they're creating
(07:22):
all of that commotion, but it's not effective when it
comes to actual election influence. It's more of creating disorder.
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It's the timing suspicions on behalf of the Department of Justice.
You know, they typically have a sixty day rule of
sort of impartiality to not try to influence elections. Obviously,
you know there are you know, quote unquote conservative commentators
that are you know named in here and have been
in the news with this. You know, obviously conservatives have
suspicions on the way the Department of Justice and the
(08:00):
FBI have handled things involving Russia in the past. You know,
we all saw, we've discussed the Russia hoax that was
weaponized against Donald Trump, and then we also saw, you know,
fifty one former intelligence officers lie about Hunter Biden's laptop
to the public, saying it was Russian disinformation when it
was not. So I guess, does this timing of this
(08:20):
strike you, as you know, interesting or suspicious on behalf
of the Department of Justice, or you know, kind of
what do you make of that aspect of this?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
One hundred percent, I am very very suspicious of the
timing of this release. And here's why. I mean, we
already know that the Obama administration, the spy agencies, and
the Department of Justice completely weaponized the bureaucracy against Donald
(08:52):
Trump to create that Russia Trump collusion hoax that never existed.
And at that point, at that time, I was in
the intelligence service, right in the intelligence community, in the
DiiA Defense Intelligence Agency, and we know that, and I
knew back then that it's John Brennan, the Obama CIA director,
(09:17):
James Comy, Obama's FBI director, and James Clapp of the
Director of National Intelligence in the Obama administration, they drove
the creation of the so called Intelligence Community Assessment that
was published the declassified version of it on January seventh,
(09:40):
or six, rather twenty seventeen, and that assessment claimed that
the Russians preferred Trump, and there was there and that's
what pushed out that false narrative of the collusion, and
that's when the whole thing started. And here they come again, right,
(10:01):
And all they need to do is just so doubt
in the minds of Americans and use the word Trump
in the word Russia or Trump and Pudtin in the
same sentence. And certain people who are already preconditioned to
believe that they immediately will eat it up. And so
(10:22):
that's exactly the interesting bit about this, Lisa, is that
that's exactly how the Russians operate as well. They never
try to convert a person who is of the opposite
belief right. If you are a conservative, the Russians are
never trying to make you a liberal. But they already
(10:44):
are planting certain narratives to people who already to predispose
for certain beliefs. And the Justice Department adopted Putent's playbook.
So they're doing the very exact same thing. And people
who the only thing that they listen to see is
a CNN and if they read New York Times, which
basically has become the US version of Pravda, right, the
(11:08):
Soviet Pravda, it's the it's the regime newspaper supporting the
Harris Biden administration. And so those people who already predisposed
to believe all of these hoaxes that are coming out
of US by agencies and the Justice Department, they're going
to believe that. And so, in fact, like I said,
(11:29):
it's the Justice Department that is trying to influence the
election by spreading, by amplifying this narrative.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
We've got a quick commercial break more with Rebecca on
the other side. We've also just seen a lot of this,
you know, across the board. I mean, we just learned that,
you know, Governor Kathy Hochel had an alleged Chinese spy
working for her office for nearly a decade. It was
the former deputy chief of staff, Linda Sun. She was
(11:59):
charged with eating Chinese officials.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Eric Swollwell of course, was tied to Fengfeing a Chinese spy.
You know, we know that Diane Feinstein had employed a
Chinese spy. I think it was their driver for a
long period of time. You know, unknowingly, we know that
the Biden family has close ties to a lot of
Chinese business individuals and Chinese companies. Uh, you know, I
(12:25):
guess you know, how did how does China operate you know,
to China and Rush operate similarly to influence elections? Or
how does China you know do it? It seems like
most of the their ties have been to democrats. We
have Tim Walls, the vice president nominee for for DEMS,
who has visited China something like thirty times. Like I
(12:47):
guess is the Chinese does China more specifically target democrats?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It seems is that is that the case?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
If so, why you know, what do you kind of
make of China's desire to inflo and how they've got
about it?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yes, the Chinese actually have penetrated the entire democratic apparatus
if you will, and you I don't even need to
name those, you have already done it, right, so uh,
and they do that for decades. They have infiltrated operatives
(13:23):
and these are intelligence officers. But they are unique in
the sense that they are here not necessarily to collect secrets,
although if opportunity to present themselves, they do that too,
But they are here to infiltrate the Democratic Party and
(13:46):
get close to decision makers within the US government so
they can influence policy. And so all of these people
have been very close to the Democratic Party, and they've
been trying to uh to shape our laws, right because
(14:07):
remember the Congress people are creating, uh, the legislative branch
is uh writing and implementing these laws. But people who
are putting certain narratives into the brains of people like
(14:28):
Dane Feinstein and all of these Eric Swolfo, they are
under the influence of the policies of the Chinese government.
And so everything that we see right now unfolding, especially
during the election season, is a result of decades worth
(14:50):
of influence, not just months, not just days or weeks, decades,
And that's how China operates well.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And that's just you know Russia and you know China.
You know, we also saw that you know, Biden's are
on envoy Robert Bally had his Maley had his security
clearance suspended, has been investigated by the FBI as well.
And then you have New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez how
to resign after being convicted for acting as an agent
(15:18):
on behalf of the Egyptian government. So it's like it
kind of makes you wonder how much of our public
policy is dictated by foreign influenced a lot?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
And that's and that's a good question. And that is
because the foreign advisories they have figured out how our
system works, right, and we have something called lobbying in
for example, like Russia doesn't have lobby and lobbying is
in America. It's a it's a legitimate way of shaping laws, right,
(15:52):
it's a it's a legal way of shaping laws. But
it was not meant to be used by foreign adversaries.
And so they've been paying attention. And that's exactly what
they're trying to do, is covert lowering by placing these operatives,
you know, Chinese, Iranians, the Russians, by the way, they
do the same thing. Remember the keen Russian operatives that
(16:18):
former President Obama sent back to Russia. Unfortunately, right, instead
of turning them and flipping them and having them work
for US intelligence, he just sent them back to Russia.
But that's exactly what they were doing here as well,
and they got very close to Hillary Clinton's circle, and
that's exactly why the FBI pulled the trigger on arresting
(16:42):
those ten illegals. That's another form of a contestine intelligence officer.
They're called illegals I legalis in Russian. So all of
these countries do that, and unfortunately there's no account to both.
And nobody sat down and actually reviewed these laws and
(17:04):
some does this law actually benefit the United States or
does it benefit another country? And especially right now when
we see, for example, a report has come out on
deployment report that is actually foreign born the folks here
(17:25):
in America that gaining more jobs than American born, Right,
how did that happen? Well, Kamala Harris have led all
of these people in and it's not just crime that
the result is. It's not just crime, it's also changing
(17:45):
the entire employment landscape of this country. How did that
idea come to Kamala Harris and to her circle whoever
is pushing that, who originally planted that idea? And it's
definitely not in the interest of US security, or US
stability or even economic prosperity of the American people. It's
(18:09):
in someone else's interest, it's very clear.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, and you've got a lot of foreign money going
to universities in the country as well. And then you've
got the Biden family into the Department of Justice found
that they've made something like twenty seven million dollars from
you know, foreign entities and foreign business people. It's very
hard to imagine that that didn't influence policy making, you know,
Joe Biden's policy making decisions. And to your point, you know,
(18:34):
we're supposed to have the Foreign Asians Registration Act, which
in my opinion, should be heavily enforced across the board,
but unfortunately we sort of see an unequal application of it.
It's typically used for political reasons, and I think if
it was actually applied universally and evenly and justly and
not in the name of politics, that might go a
(18:55):
long way and keeping some of this you know, foreign influence,
or at least keeping people honest knowing who's you know
working on behalf of hill.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
You know, I wanted to shift gears for for a
minute and just kind of get from you. You know,
what's it's hard to really ever know what's going on
with the war between Russia and Ukraine. Where do things
stand right now in that war?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yes, it is very hard. And you know why, Lisa,
is because the US media is really not covering it accurately.
Because again there's this narrative, very simplistic narrative that is
spread not just in the years but across Western media,
and it's very simplistic. Put in bads, let's get good,
(19:41):
Russia bad, Ukraine good. So here's what's going on. Effectively,
this war is in a stalemate. But uh, there's no
military path for victory for Ukraine and so eventually you
Raine will collapse. That is my professional intelligence assessment. And
(20:05):
here's why from the very beginning this fight was an
unfair fight. You have a small country of Ukraine with
forty three million people population and you have Russia with
one hundred and forty three million population. In the military
that the Pentagon itself has designated as a near peer competitor.
(20:29):
What does it mean a peer competitor. It means that
the Russian military, both capability wise and doctrine wise, is
comparable to US military. How do I know this to
be true is because again it's codified already within the
(20:51):
Pentagon's doctrine. I personally in June briefed the Northern Command
Combatant Command. Northern Command is on North comb we call
it is the command that is protecting the United States
from foreign missile strikes, including from Russia, China, et cetera.
I was briefing them on the Russian war fighting strategy
(21:14):
and Putin's mindset. They are very concerned about escalation. And
so despite the fact that we have all these media
types saying how the Russian military doesn't know, you know,
how to properly hold an ik, you know, forty seven.
I'm kind of, you know, marking a little bit tight here,
(21:36):
but that's what essentially they've been saying. The Russians can't fight. Eventually,
Ukraine is going to be destroyed because it's already the
critical infrastructure is almost entirely destroyed. By Putin has prepared
to fight a very long, protracted war It's called the
war of attrition trinally, and he will prevail simp because
(22:00):
Russia has three times more people and it has a transition.
Putting has traditioned its military and economy on a wartime
footing seven years prior to the invasion, so he is
going to our class and we, on the other hand,
all of this weaponry that we have provided to Ukraine
and two hundred million dollars worth of military assistance, both
(22:25):
in cash and the military hardware, we are depleting our
own arsenal already, right we are two dangerously low levels
one hundred and fifty five millimeter shells and a javelin stingers.
It's going to take us anywhere from five to eighteen
years to replace. And so who understands that those resources
(22:49):
are not finite and the patients of the American voter
and the taxpay is not finite either, And so the
longer the lens Ski weights to negotiate, the more Ukraine
is going to be destroyed. And it's already ceasing to
exist as a viable independent country because it completely relies
(23:14):
on us, the United States and on the West for
its existence. We're providing about fifty percent of its GDP,
and the Ukraine government will collapse as soon as we
pull that assistance.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
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you know, there's been a lot of reporting on Ukraine's
offensive into Russia's Cursk Cursk, I'm saying that region. Yes,
you know, what do you make of that offensive? Does
that changed the dynamics of the war at all?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
You know?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Is there a significance to that? You know, I guess
what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
So there's there's.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
A little bit of significance here in the sense that
Lendscape has demonstrated that he is able to.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
To violate Russia's traditional red line. What is the red line?
The territorial integrity and sovereignty of Russia has not been
violated since World War Two. Well, Zelenski was able to
do that, but Putin has retaliated massively. Uh, And it's
(25:41):
not going to dramatically change anything in terms of the
dynamics of the war and in terms of the outcome
of the war. The reason why Zlanskap did that, in
my assessment, is because he wanted to demonstrate to the
United States and to the West that he can stay
(26:02):
in the fight. Because what he's concerned right now is
to lose, you know, to lose our money, to lose
our military hardware. And he's also desperate because remember Zelenski,
because the entire career is dependent on this narrative that
the Western media has created that he is this amazing
(26:23):
you know, democratic leader Churchill in the T shirt, and
nothing can be further from the truth. Z Lanski is
a mini cho whutin he is only you know he's
he's not a democratic leader because he has outlawed all
of the opposition. He outlawed all of the independent media
in Ukraine. The intelligence services who work for Zelenski, the SBU,
(26:48):
s Luzburg Spee Ukraine, they grant Ukrainian men off the
street to send them to the front line because nobody
wants to go fight anymore. And so this man is
effectively having its own country destroyed by unwilling to actually
(27:08):
come up with achievable war goals, because he has articulated
his definition of victory to be able to kick the
Russians out of the entire Ukraine, and that's unachievable because
Russians control about twenty percent of Ukraine. And so the
fighting is going to go on as long as nobody
(27:30):
pushes Pudin and Zolenski to sit down at the table
and actually negotiate and stop the senseless dying of Ukrainians
because these are healthy, young European men, you know, child
producing age, that are simply being illuminated from the Dean pool,
(27:54):
if you will, Right now.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Before we go, why is the left so obsessed with Russia?
I think most normal people objectively would say, Okay, Russia
is not her friend, China is not her friend, Iran
is not her friend, and recognize that these countries are adversaries.
But then the media and the left only focus on
you know, they ignore the Chinese infiltration into our country,
(28:17):
they ignore the Iranian infiltration, but they solely focus on
the Russian infiltration. It's just it's strange. You would think
that we would be equally concerned about any enemy nation,
any adversary trying to influence impact metal with her country,
but it's only Russia they focus on. You know, why
are they so obsessed with Russia?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Well that's the one question that I'm afraid I can't answer, Lisa,
because I've been bewildered myself, because you have Shi Jimping,
who is as much of a dictator and as much
of a murder right, if you will, as look what's
going on with the wiers, right, it's there's there's effectively
(29:02):
genocide that's going on. Uh, and yet we are you know,
in on good terms relatively speaking with with China because
we're so dependent on the economically. I have no idea
why there's such an obsession, uh with Russia. My only
(29:22):
guest is that there's such a preconceived institutional anti Russia
bias because remember, uh, the United States and uh the
Union have been at war sort of uh, non kinetic war,
but right the Cold War was lasting for decades and
(29:44):
the United States has won. Although right now you're going
to actually, you know, argue the other way because the
United States is now basically turning into USSI to the
zero because of of the Sovietization of americ everything that
I experienced back in the year. So it's the censorship,
(30:04):
the government control, and it's all has come here to
the United States. But so I don't know, I don't
know exactly why there's such obsession with Russia. It beats me, honestly.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, and you've got like Iron saying death to America,
yet they've infiltrated the Biden administration. It's like you just think,
you know, it's just it's weird to me. It's like,
I think we could equally say that, you know, none
of these countries are our friends, we should be concerned about,
you know, any enemy influence into the country. But it's
just just strange the hyper focus on one country as
opposed to just you know, being concerned about all of it.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
But exactly, yeah, one thing, one thing I want to
mention here. Yes, we should be concerned, just like you said,
about all foreign adversaries, and we should be prepared for
the worst case scenario because yes, they're chanting the Iranians
death to Americans. And the intelligence community's assessment is that
(31:05):
Iran has been developing clandesta networks within our country for
a decade, okay, and so and instead here we are
sending all of our weaponry to Ukraine, depleting our own arsenal.
We have China that is getting ready to invade Taiwan,
and one of the high rank in generals, who is
(31:27):
the head of the Air Mobility Command, which is part
of the Transportation Command, has assessed that China can invade
Taiwan as early as twenty twenty five, which is just
a few months from now. And we actually, unlike Ukraine,
who is even not our traditional ally, right, it's not
part of NATO. Is just you know, somebody just decided
(31:49):
we're going to make Ukraine an ally, but Taiwan, we
actually have an obligation to defend them. How are we
gonna and if things go bad? Both Russian and China
have the doctrine to target, at least in the beginning,
non kinetically, to target the United States. And we have
no answer for that because we are running out of
(32:11):
capability by sending it to Ukraine, and we even have
forced is Rill to give some of the weaponry to Ukraine.
I mean, it makes no sense to me whoever is
running the show over there, And now I have no
idea who's running the show. It's clearly not Biden, but
that person is either incompetent or they maliciously are making
(32:36):
decisions that go against your security and against yours economic prosparity.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, and then we have open borders, and you know
you had mentioned the Iranian Clindestine you know, operations here
in the United States. We've we've basically rolled out the
red carpet for bad actors to get into the country.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
So you know, yes, I'm incasingly I'm increasingly concerned Lisa.
We have September eleventh next Wednesday, and with me being
the intelligence officer, I constantly watch for what we've on
the intelligence business. I am w indications and warnings, and
(33:15):
what I see right now in terms of threat level rising,
I really do not like. Because what you see in
Aurora right now in the Venezuelan Gang, that show is
coming to a city near you, and I am really
concerned about September eleven.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I am too, well, you know, prayers for safety of
the country. Yeah, we're going through some tough times and
so you know, hopefully Trump wins in November and hopefully
that we're able to turn the ship around and bring
some stability not only to the United States but around
the world as well, because we're sure as hell not
going to get that under Kamala Harris, so.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
And into that.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Rebecca Coffler, appreciate your time. Thanks so much for joining
the show and bring your insight. God bless that was
Rebecca Coefler. Appreciate her for taking the time to come
on the show. Appreciate you guys at home for listening
every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week.
I want to thank John Cassio and my producer for
putting the show together. Until next time.
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