POOF! All Your Money’s Gone ft Keri Glassman

Keri Glassman is a celebrity Registered Dietitian with over 20 years of experience. She’s a known face on television, the author of best-selling books, and the creator of The Nutritious Life + the Nutritious Life Studio (which certifies students to become health coaches).

 

But underneath the sparkling public persona, Keri worked tirelessly to build back what her family lost in an instant, details of which were only known to her nearest and dearest.  

 

Keri and her family were victims of Madoff, and what transpired from the shattering moment of losing it all to the process of rebuilding formed Keri into the woman she is today.

 

Keri Spills:

• Her life-changing “Madoff” moment that shook her entire life
• How her work/life balance as a mom during those impossible years and the “a-ha!” moment that made her return to herself
• How she became an entrepreneur (business owner, spokesperson, author, etc.) without social media 
• What fueled her to stay with her “whole person” approach to health + wellness during a time when restriction/over-exercising were glamorized
• and more!

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Episode Transcript

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(00:31):
Hello everybody, Welcome back to the truth Fious Life. I
just want to start by saying I changed the positioning
of my desk where I normally record these episodes, and
it feels completely different and good. I'm facing out towards
the window, and I hope that by sharing this, we
take a moment to look at our surroundings and ask

(00:53):
is where I'm working or living? Elevating my thoughts and
consciousness and making me into the person I want to be.
Because this little pivot desk facing the opposite direction has
me feeling really jazzed and excited, and I think that
says a lot about our environment, impacting how we show up,
how we're creative, how we're calm, how we're present, all

(01:15):
of that. Anyway, this week's episode is with Carrie Glassman.
She is a very well known, I might even say famous,
registered dietitian who I've had the privilege to call my
mentor for the last couple of years. Carrie is a
bunch of years older than me, with a lot more experience.
She is a name in the media, author of many books,

(01:36):
a founder of Nutritious Life and Nutritious Life Studio. And
we didn't even get into nutrition in this episode. Well
we did a little bit towards the end, but we
got a lot more into parts of her life that
her and I have only really touched on very delicately
in real life as friends. So as soon as I
interned for Carrie years and years ago, I learned that

(01:58):
her life wasn't as picture perfect as it appeared in
the magazines and little snippets when I saw her on TV.
In fact, she was so much cooler because of what
she had gone through. So Carrie was the victim of
the made Off Ponzi scheme, and we didn't get into
the details on this episode, so to preface it a

(02:18):
little bit if you're unfamiliar, Bernie Madeoff was most famous
for operating what the Internet calls as probably the largest
ponzi scheme in history. It's estimated that Madeoffs fraud extended
more than twenty years and ran over fifty billion dollars.
Madeoff was arrested in two thousand and eight, that's when
Carrie's world crumbled and sentenced to a hundred and fifty

(02:39):
years in prison. So you're either very familiar remember when
the Made Off scandal was going on, or you have
no idea and I'm just kind of orienting you. But
the point is is if you had money invested in
made Off. Some people had a lot, a lot were
all of their money invested with him. One day it
was just gone, not a penny scene to be had back,

(02:59):
and you had to figure out what to do. The
thought of it makes me tremble. And this happened to
Carry and her family. She already had two kids by
the time this happened, and she had to start from scratch.
Suddenly working was not joyful and something she loved to do,
but something she had to do. She had to do good,

(03:20):
and she had to do quickly if she was supposed
to put food on the table and give her kids
the life that she always imagined. This episode is incredible.
Carrie's turning fifty this year, and she shares really what
it's been like to go through a career in the
media with the introduction of social media. She shares her
rock bottom moment that she's never discussed anywhere else, So

(03:43):
please give her a big hug after this by following
her over at carry Glassman letting her know that you
liked this episode sharing with your family and friends who
were going through something that they think they might not
recover from, especially if it's a huge financial setback. And
how she was so ahead of the time to talk
about health and wellness in a way that expanded far

(04:03):
beyond what you eat and how you move your body.
Her pillars of health really really, I think showcase how
wholesome and holistic, for lack of a better word, her
approach to health is, and how she's always, always, always
stayed true to herself, even when that wasn't the trend
for what was going on in health and wellness or

(04:24):
what was really you know, what people wanted to hear.
So Carrie is one of a kind. She is honestly
one of the best people I've ever met, so loving,
so heartfelt, so true to herself and always there to
elevate me and the hundreds or thousands of nutritionists that
she has had the honor to coach and help them
become professionals in their careers as well. At Nutritio's Life Studio.

(04:47):
Nutrition's Life Studio is the program that she created to
help people either further their career in nutrition and learn
how to start a practice or become nutrition coaches themselves
without having to go go back to school and do
it all. And we didn't even touch into really all
of that she does now because I really wanted to
focus on the heart and soul of who carry is

(05:09):
that we don't get to see a lot. So I
hope that you enjoy this episode. I hope that you
leave inspired. I hope that you feel grounded, and I
will see you back here next week. I am so
excited to have Carrie Glassman on The Truth's Life. Welcome Carrie, Hi,
I'm so happy to be on here with you. You know,

(05:29):
any opportunity to chat with you and spend time with you,
I love. So I'm so happy to be here. And
you're doing such an amazing job with this podcast that
it is an honor to be on here with you.
When I sat down to do this podcast over two
years ago, I had a list of people that I
wanted to interview, a short list, and you were on it.
And even though you are a close friend of mine,

(05:50):
and we talk all the time. I actually was nervous
to invite you on because the topics that I wanted
to hopefully explore with you in the light of truth
FUS life aren't necessarily topics that you openly talk about
on your Actually you've you've never openly talked about some
of the things that we've talked about, you know, behind

(06:10):
the scenes. Yeah. Absolutely. And it's funny because I am
so open. And you know this, if your friends with me,
you know I share anything and everything. There is nothing
to hide. I probably open up too fast to people
sometimes and I probably share sometimes even too much. I'm

(06:32):
a talker. I talk out my feelings like I need to.
Like that's how I process. It's part of my processing
of feelings and things going on is talking. So I
am such a big sharer, but I don't do it publicly,
and I think about why that is, and I think
there's many reasons for that. But I mean, we'll probably

(06:53):
get into some of that. So generationally, there is a
difference in our careers. Were both read their dietitians, and
I think you have about fifteen to twenty years experience
on me something like that. While I have been a
dietitian since Okay, yeah, so about fifteen to twenty years about.

(07:13):
So that's not just a ton more experience and information
in your brain about nutrition that we're going to get
into in this podcast too, because I think that would
be doing our audience a disservice to not hear from
such a professional. But we also created our private practices,
our names for ourselves in the nutrition world during a

(07:36):
very different time. Most obviously, my career erupted with the
eruption of social media, specifically Instagram, whereas your career, I mean,
how did you get the word out that you are
now a nutritionist and you want to serve people? Right?
It's so funny because I say that all the time.
I say I grew up and I don't mean grew
up from zero to eighteen. I mean grew up in

(07:58):
my twenties and thirties and building a family and a
career without social media for the majority of that time, right,
the large majority of that time. So I grew up
without any of that. So I think your spot on
that is definitely one of the reasons that it is
not so natural to share a lot of things on
social and when I did get myself put myself out

(08:18):
there also sharing certain things. Sharing the behind the scenes
wasn't commonplace. You know, people either saw me in my
office right one on one, where I did develop deep
relationships with many of my clients, and I loved building
that rapport and connection, and I did sometimes share personal
stories with clients on a one on one setting, and

(08:39):
then people knew me from TV or seeing my name
in a magazine or reading one of my books, But
there was nothing in between. Maybe in a panel discussion,
but even those types of situations were far and few between.
It was more like a speaking engagement where I gave
a lecture. It wasn't even in a chatty, you know,

(09:00):
ir side format, so there was a lot less of
that time and place to share. So I think a
big part of right that lack of sharing is because
if it's just the way sort of I created my career,
so it takes a lot of getting used to, I think,
and some people I think my age and my I'm
gonna be fifty in a couple of months, by the way,

(09:21):
and what are we doing when we jurn fifty. We're
still figuring that one out. What is the goal? Oh? Oh,
the big goal? Yeah, yes, I thought, you men, how
are we celebrating. Yes, well, I guess this is part
of the celebration. Yes, that is true. The big goal. Okay,
well now I'm putting it out there, so again I
have to really do this. So I'm trying to do
a back flip on my fiftieth birthday. I'm feeling yeah,

(09:42):
I'm going to do it, which, by the way, I've
got a lot of things are working against me here.
This is a total side note, but three gyms in
near me in New York. Two of them will not
have adults at all. That's ages right. The one that
will that will that does have adult classes is only

(10:02):
on Monday nights, which didn't really work for me, so
I tried to do privates. They will not do any privates.
So the only place for me to go, or at
least the only one that I of the four places
that I've researched, is Chelsea Peers, which you know where
I live in New York. It is not so easy
to get there. And scheduling privates, which I felt like

(10:22):
I have to get some private lessons in if I'm
going to make this happen in time, has been very difficult.
But I am going to make it happen. I have
to make it happen now because I've said it too
many places now, including but it's part of my feeling
amazing at fifty and really just starting like the second
fifty years of my life, which I'm super excited about.

(10:42):
But that's again, that's a little bit. Another topic was
an important sidetrack, especially because aging on this podcast is
one that I want to continue to talk about. Um
and we don't typically think about fifth year olds as
back flipping. So if you could do this, I think
it would it would definitely make a lot of press.
But the confusing part is you don't look like a
typical fifty year old, so people might not believe that

(11:03):
you're fifty. They might just think you're trying to do
it for the headlines. By the way, I actually though
I wanted to say something on that note. I've been
saying a lot lately. I don't feel fifty. I feel
thirty five. I feel like I'm thirty five, and then
I and then I've been thinking about it further, and
I keep saying I don't feel thirty five. I feel
like I have the knowledge, and I feel like I've
evolved so much. I do feel fifty and I feel

(11:26):
awesome about it, and physically, I was also saying I
feel thirty five, right, I feel young and healthy, But
I'm like, why can't that be fifty? So I really
have to start thinking about it and saying, I feel
fifty and this is what fifty feels like, and fifty
is amazing and I'm truly really excited about the next
fifty years. But again that's a little bit off topic.

(11:47):
But I do want to go back to one thing
we were talking about in terms of putting things out there.
It was a little bit of a the time that
I created my career, you know, since social wasn't the Norman,
sharing wasn't the norm. That was definitely part of why
I don't do it. Also, like I said, the second
part of that is I don't think it became natural
to just put myself out there. It always felt a

(12:07):
little self involved too. And I'm not judging anybody that
puts everything out there and talks about themselves on social
that's wonderful to me. Personally, it always has felt a
little just self involved getting on there and telling people
about my morning, like a lot of people want to
hear this, It just felt that way. And then the
other part of that too is by the time it
was so normal to share and put things out there,

(12:30):
my kids were at an age where they would look
at me and say, no way, we are not on here.
They are very private. I didn't want to share their stories,
their stories or their stories to share. So I think
there's there's multiple layers to it why I haven't shared
a lot personally. But I also just to add one
other thing, I do think going into this next stage

(12:52):
of life, I do want to put more out there,
but really intentionally and purposefully in a way that I
really do think well be helpful. I mean, you talk
a lot about that. Well, I think you bring up
so many good points that I feel like I could
have just touched on so many. But to stay on
topic here, I think when you said I feel fifty,

(13:13):
of course I'm fifty. Look at what I've been through.
You know, my mind is just envisioning the businesses that
you've grown, the businesses that you've sold, the different entrepreneurial
hats that you've warn as well as some of the
obstacles that I know that you've faced. You know, you
don't go through all of that at thirty five, and
I sit here almost thirty five a little bit humbled

(13:35):
by that to know that, yes, I have some successes
under my belt, but I have some obstacles coming my way,
because that is just the nature of life and gaining
wisdom and knowledge. So kind of to kick this podcast
off on the more personal level, you know, your life
has looked to an outside or you know, I found

(13:57):
you through your name in a magazine. I was like,
who is this cool dietitian in the media. Like you said,
once we met in person, you know, you became a
mentor to me, You became a mother like figure, You know,
so many things, but it was all out there on display,
the different difficult parts of your life. While working with
you as a you know, an intern for a few weeks,
there was nothing that was fake about it. There was

(14:18):
just that separation between you know, carry has a job
to do. Her job is to deliver nutrition information to
the masses. Uh and in a simplified, usable way. Her
job is not to share all these parts. But I
was like, how cool, for lack of a better word,
that there are this many layers to this person and
we kind of only get to see some of them.

(14:42):
So I think you kind of know what I'm itching
at here. But you went through a major, major, major, publicly,
personally financially difficult time in your life that many people
might be familiar with but don't know happened to you.
So two thousand eight, as many people will probably remember,
the world was a little bit fallen apart. My kids

(15:03):
were two and five, I was writing a book. I
was at that time working with some brands, doing a
lot of media building my practice, So really working around
the clock as an entrepreneur building this business. Two kids,
and you know, I mean, all kids require a lot
of work, you know, I always, I always have said,

(15:23):
though I have two kids, and I think the emotions
of twenty two, I like to joke I tell them
that we have very honest conversations about that we are
an emotion filled household. But anyway, again, living in New
York City, doing all of the things, running around like crazy.
I will also say like at that time too, as
much as I was a nutritionist and I taught people,

(15:43):
part of my practice and taught part of how I
coached people was I talked about stress and sleep and
relationships and that was something that I always did from
the very beginning of my practice, which we can go
back to that too if we want, But I think
you know the story of that, how that's even all
part of my original logo. I always talked about those
things from the very beginning of my practice, when many

(16:06):
people were just talking about diet and nutrition. I always
incorporated that. So as much as I was very aware
of self care and managing stress and doing that, I
was not living that. I was burning the candle at
both ends. I was trying to build this practice, parenting, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
So then my husband at the time worked it made Off.

(16:26):
All of our personal money was also and made Off
not most people that worked at made Off did not
have a lot of them did not have all their
personal money there because it was just very separate. He
worked there, are personal finances were also there as well
because of his family and being part of his being
part of involved in something with his family. So anyway,

(16:47):
we were very tied up in might Off. I remember
we were going to we took my son to interview
at I think it was Fieldston, one of the private
schools in the city. If you don't live New York City,
a private school for kindergarten. We come back, so as
founder like at ten in the morning, I come back.
I work in my apartment at the time because I
said I won't go into the I won't go into
the office that day because I had already been out

(17:08):
for part of the morning. Anyway, my husband goes to work.
He calls me ten minutes later, and I had just
been with him, so I said, what's up. He's like,
there's police here. Bernie's getting arrested. I think, and I
thought to myself, Okay, like that's weird. But I had
no clue what was about to happen, Absolutely no clue.
I thought, Wow, that's that's like he's having a bad day,

(17:31):
Like that's literally what I thought, Like that sucks, Like
what's going on. The next thing that happened was we
realized we go, we have the conversation. I remember sitting
there that I then remember getting on the phone with
my dad, and instead of my dad's reaction being something
like wow, like this is really bad for him, like
what's going on here, it was this devastation and this

(17:54):
sound in my dad's voice that I rarely, rarely I
can almost cry talking about it. Because I never am
you know, oh, my gotten like I've this is so crazy,
at Lisa, You're really pulling out of me because I
don't I have not, no, but I have not. First
of all, I don't talk about this like almost ever.
I just don't talk about it often. It just doesn't
come up. I don't know, and I've just we just

(18:14):
got through it. But I think why these what I
just got emotional about was actually thinking about my dad,
not about myself, not about my husband and what was
happening in our lives. But hearing my dad like that.
I remember because you know how close I am with
my dad. I mean I speak to him every day
and he is just voice of reason, strong, so supportive, nurturing,
but he is like the voice of reason and also

(18:37):
the most calm, cool and collected person you will ever meet.
Feathers will not be ruffled on him like he is
just together and so hearing my dad sounding really off
about this all of a sudden, I think that's when
it really hit me, like what is going on? Because
they also were about to be affected by all of this.
There's actually a lot that I didn't know. I didn't

(18:58):
realize that your husband worked made off. From what I understand,
you didn't have to work there to um invest your
money with Is that the three word investor money? Yeah?
And no, and most people, most people that work there
didn't actually have money. That's was saying. It was sort
of just separate. So your money, your husband's money, your
shared money, your in law's money, and your parents money.
To some degree here was all in this one pot

(19:21):
that was seemingly doing really well for a while, right,
Like you're bringing your kids to fields, to an expensive
private school, thinking this is the trajectory of your life.
Is that what I'm understanding exactly, Which, by the way,
in that moment of one of those conversations that day,
I looked, I looked at my husband and I laughed
and I said, I guess we should pull that application.
And he was like, maybe we should pull them all,

(19:43):
and I was like, yeah, we should. Mean, let's just
say my fun ended up at Pere. Well, yeah, well
that's I mean, I can laugh about some of those
things at the moment now saying that, but but it
was just the irony of exactly what you're saying, like
thinking you're on this one trajectory and then just not
being on that trajectory just for a moment, you know,

(20:11):
talking about your dad and his reaction stimulating your reality
or waking you up to you know, the reality I
think is really just something that I want to highlight.
You know, we talk about codependency as generally like a
negative thing in our society. We don't want to be codependent.
But now having become a mother, you're a mother, your

(20:33):
dad is a father to you, your parents, I should
say there is something biologically codependent to our offspring and
them to us. Right, So I think like your dad
was kind of like the ground beneath the floor, and
then when he shook right, like, then where do you fall?
There's there's nothing underneath the pavement. And that's what gets

(20:55):
so emotional for watching you and thinking about you know,
times in my life where I've looked at my dad
and he is that ground. You know, he's historically been
that ground, but moments where he's had is you know,
tripped out moments to those are the deeply traumatic moments
of life because there's nothing stirrty to stand on any anymore.

(21:16):
I think you just nailed it, and I think that's
why again, like I don't talk about this often, but
when I do, I kind of talked about, oh my god,
that was such a crazy time. I haven't really thought
about like that moment and speaking to my dad and
thinking like that was when I really knew, Holy sh it,
what's going on? And the other thing that's interesting that
I'm just thinking about as we're talking about this right now, Brett,

(21:38):
who you know my and my now ex husband. You know,
we just went into action mode and we never really
even processed it together. We got divorced shortly thereafter, and
everyone always likes to ask, is that why you got divorced?
And it's not. We had our fair share of problems
before that. Could that have been a moment that changed

(21:59):
our trajectory. Who knows, possibly, but again we had our
issues before that. Maybe it's sped up the process, maybe
I've turned it in another direction. But I think more
likely perhaps it's sped up us not being meant to
be together forever, which is okay, And again that's a
whole other story today. We can skip that one today.

(22:20):
But I always like to clarify that because I do
think when I say that I got divorced somewhat shortly thereafter,
people tie those things together, and I really like to
separate them because it wasn't that. I don't know, I
give credit to that for the demise of our marriage.
That's again that's a separate, a separate issue, but together,
I don't think. I mean, we just went into this
action mode of, you know, taking care of kids and

(22:40):
I have to go to work. And at that point
I was working full time, but again it was my
own business. So I was in the office when I
wanted to be in the office. I was home when
I wanted to be home. I was, So I was
working around the clock, burning the candle at both ends,
but on my terms to some extent. And also we
didn't to pent. We weren't raising our children on my

(23:02):
salary alone, right, I was contributing, but we weren't raising
our children that we weren't paying our mortgage on my
salary alone. So I all of a sudden had to
go into this mode of wait a minute, so all
we have right now is that little bit that we
keep in our little city bank account right there, like
that's what we have, and then what we have. And
at that point I didn't really keep much in my
business either, because again it was sort of this secondary income.

(23:26):
It contributed, but it wasn't supporting us fully. And just
to be clear, all the money that you put with
made off poof gone, some left like oh no poof, poof,
poof gone, getting none of it back, not like gone completely.
And so no, that's why I'm saying. I literally looked
we were having that conversation on that day. So with
that little bit whatever it was like a few thousand

(23:49):
dollars in our cash account that we keep right there,
like that is it. And remember like we were having
this conversation like yeah, like that's it. And so I
remember all of a sudden, I was already burning the
candle at both ends and then going to work, saying,
holy fuck, Now I don't have to just work, work,

(24:11):
work to build a business, because I want to be
successful and I love what I do and I want
to grow this whole big nutrition business. Now I've got
to work to pay that mortgage, put food on the table,
you know, pay that nursery school bill. Oh my god.
And you know, my parents were being had as I
just mentioned, were also hurt, so there was nowhere to
pull from. There was and and they have helped me

(24:33):
in different in many different ways, over the years. So
I don't want to take away from that, but I
was not. I did not want to go to them
in a certain in a way that maybe I could
have in a different situation, because they were also being
affected and it was a very very difficult time. But
what I was, what I started to get into was
I don't think we even ever processed it together. It

(24:54):
was this holy sh it, got to get to work.
I was seeing clients all day long. I mean I
would get to the get up, make my kids breakfast,
get them off to school. And you know what that's like.
I mean, I know you don't have you know, you
know sole he's not going to school yet, but getting
your kids up and ready and getting them to school,
want to pred school, one to whatever classes, and then
you know, getting to the office. I remember getting to

(25:14):
the office and you know, by eight thirty in the morning.
And young working moms understand this, like feel like you've
already been through like a full day. But when you're
also operating on a level of oh my god, how
much money you have to make today? And and when
you're thinking like that, and what do I have to
bring in? And it's even talking about it, I can't eat.
It's hard for me to even explain the level of

(25:37):
constant stress that I felt. And then even saying that,
I think to myself, Okay, there's so many people that
have things so much worse. It almost makes me feel
guilty even saying that I was living in a beautiful apartment,
I had two healthy children, like I had a wonderful career,
Like it almost makes me feel guilty even making it
this dramatic. But in my in again, this is my

(25:57):
truth is life, So in my life, in my world,
in that moment, it was extraordinarily stressful, and I just
operated at a very high level of stress for a
very very long time and then again then might now
again next husband, we were continuing to then have our problems,
and so we never really processed the And I always

(26:19):
think like, if I were to go through something like
that now, I feel like there would be this, Okay,
let's slow down, let's process this, let's keep life together.
How can we minimize our stress and do what we
have to do, And I feel like there would be
this greater sense of awareness. I feel like at the time,
maybe it was my age and experience, or maybe it

(26:40):
was just the situation but I just felt like we
just went forward. Okay, I gotta go to work tomorrow,
and you know, work all day. So I would see
clients all day long, and then I would come home.
Like I said, so I take my kids to school,
get to work already, be worn out, see clients all
day long, get home, deal with the bed, the bath, etcetera,
all of that, and then sit down at my computer

(27:02):
and write write a book that I was working on.
That was when I was writing The O two Diet,
which came out in two thousand ten. I just sold that,
done that book deal. So I had book deadlines, and
I remember thinking, while I'm going to scale box on
clients a little bit so I can work on my book. Well,
there was no scaling back. I was just writing my
book at night, four in the morning, four to six
in the morning until the kids got up, or like

(27:23):
eight after the kids went to bed, to midnight, and
then seeing clients and then I mean, it was an
around the clock craziness. I just wanted to acknowledge that,
like your world was lit on fire, and fire causes
you to run, So it makes sense that you know,
you guys felt fire and you ran and there was
no processing time. It's a little bit easier to look
back and be like, yes, we should have taken a

(27:44):
moment realized that the fires there, but we're over here.
But I mean, I couldn't only imagine what it feels
like to be that close to the fire, to have
bills to pay to have two kids. Really, you know,
that really puts like the fire feeling even hot, or
that you need to get to school for child care
for this, for that, Like all that stuff really adds up.

(28:05):
So I don't think you could have done it any differently,
even if you were a little bit older and wiser.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe you're right. I look back sometimes
on how I handled certain things, and you know, I
know there are certain situations that I probably could have
handled better. I could have been calmer, and I could
have been more present. And I think back to that
time where I was I mean so many different situations

(28:27):
where whether it was something with one of my kids,
or it was a business meeting or something where I
was just not present. I was not my best. I
was not common focused. And I always think about when
things come up now that are not as devastating, but
when something happens now, I do think back and say, Okay,

(28:48):
how can I still be present and calm and like
you said, acknowledge the fire. How can I acknowledge the
fire to bring my better self to the moment, because
I do feel like there was lots of moment it
is there where I probably didn't bring my best self
to the situation because, like you said, I was just running. Hopefully,

(29:09):
our listeners also, like the moms specifically, can just relate,
especially the moms that do contribute significantly to the income.
I have a good friend right now who works at Twitter,
and obviously her job, you know, at the time of
this recording, Elon Musk, is just about Twitter and jobs
and our people are getting fired left and right and
big changes at the company. And she's obviously, you know,

(29:30):
panicked because this is her livelihood. And I bring it
up just because I'm witnessing it and it happens to
so many moms, and it's this inability to like be present.
But you have to kind of just let yourself kind
of just have this season of lack of presents and
being frazzled, because I just don't know if you can
do it any differently when you juggle all the hats

(29:52):
that you wear, all the jobs that a mom does
and with no time if you're going to get two
to three hours of sleep at night. Absolutely, and you
know there's another aspec because you're bringing up the mom
ng thing. There was another piece to it where I
didn't want to sacrifice anything for my kids in the
sense like I didn't want them. We obviously gave up

(30:13):
the private school thing. I already talked about that, but
other than that, I did not want them to not
do or have anything else that I had planned on.
If there was a therapist, I wanted to see if
there was something that I felt was going to be
the right class for my daughter to take, or if
there was anything like that. I did not want to
say no, I can't do that because of this situation

(30:36):
that we were just put in. So I had that
like anger, They're like, I'm not so what it would
do it? Then I would say, okay, fine, then I
just have to work harder and I have to do
more this week and I have to get more done.
And so that added to that constant cycle of you
know where realistically like it's okay, like you can decide no,
I'm not going to spend that on my kid doesn't

(30:57):
have to be in three of those classes, or my
child doesn't have to have that, or we can wait
to do that next year. But I think it was
because I had some anger, like I'm not going to
not do that for my kid because of that. You know,
mffer right, how did you make it too ground Again?
I went on like that for a long time, a

(31:18):
long time, and I'll say, you know, I mean, there's
there's so many people in my life too that were
so supportive during that time, even my banker. I mean,
I will never forget. I mean, when I was had
to pay my taxes at a certain point, he said,
just write the check. They're going to go through. It'll
be okay, Like, don't worry, you're gonna like, well, we
won't bounce the check. It's all right, you're going to

(31:40):
be in a big deficit. But we know you have
that endorsement deal coming up, or we know that book deal,
that that check is coming in in three months, and
we'll worry about it then. But I'm not going to
let that check bounce and so eat people like that.
By the way, this is not like City Bank. This
was a there's a smaller, different great bank. Again, I
don't know if you'd want me to share that, so
I'm not going to share who and what it was.
But like there were people like that that I say,

(32:01):
like that were these you know, angels stols in my
life that really helped me in such significant ways. Um
And I remember at one point I came home and
I had paid my babysitter, I had paid the women
that worked from in the office, and I was sitting
there and I said, Okay, I've literally got three dollars

(32:23):
I think it was three dollars or five dollars three
or five dollars, like three dollars and cents or five
dollars and thirty two cents. I can't remember one of those.
And I was paralyzed for like I couldn't function. I
was sitting there in the in my living room thinking
like what am I doing. I'm with my kids this weekend.
So that was actually I had just gotten divorced at
that point, because I think or we were separated, because
I remember being alone and in my apartment with my kids,

(32:44):
and and in this nice apartment in the Upper East
Side of Manhattan, like no one in the world would
ever know that, right, And sitting there thinking, okay, like
I've got enough food to get through and no credit cards.
Of course, working that was like that was a given.
And so I'm like laughing again, like I always have
to laugh at some of this. My brother dropped off
five dollars a bottle of wine and a Xanax, And

(33:06):
right now I think about that, and I'm like, I
have such a migraine even thinking about the bottle of wine,
because right now, that's so what happened. But like there
were people that that came in in those moments, and
again I had I had things coming up. I probably
had a check coming in from from again from the
book deal, or from an endorsement deal, or clients paying
the next week. But like I got to those points,

(33:27):
whether it was the taxes or you know that having
the three dollars vient in my bank, Like I got
there multiple times, and every time it felt like a
kick in the face. And I'm working so hard and like,
you know, I'm supposedly successful. There's all this like I'm
in this magazine again, I have this endorsement, I'm writing
this book, like it looks great and there is success there,

(33:49):
but holy sh it, this is really hard, and I
want to be focused and spend this time with my
kids and give them my best self. Like it was very,
very hard. So sorry you asked me though, how did
I sort of get beyond that? Well, but again, I
just want to acknowledge, like, you know, you see somebody
with a private practice in New York City, their name
in all the magazines, which at the time was you know,
a huge thing for a nutritionists or incredibility whatever, books,

(34:12):
endorsement deals, and you in no way think that that's
the same person who doesn't have a credit card at
this time. You know, it's just the unimaginable. And I
just hope that that every time we envisioned somebody's life
that we think has to be great and perfect, it
just reminds us that we know nothing about anybody at
any point in time. Absolutely, And I want to actually

(34:34):
bring up one thing that I've developed a great appreciation for,
you know, part of what we do as entrepreneurs. You know,
we are creative people. You know, we we have to
be creative and we have to be able to sit
back and think and create. And when you're doing that
with this huge financial responsibility, I don't mean just like

(34:56):
the overall responsibility. But I mean, like the how am
I paying this build tonight? How am I doing? Like
that pressure on you, it is so difficult to be
creative and free and be able to think clearly and
to work right. So I developed a great appreciation for

(35:17):
when I don't have that acute, stressful situation of there's
a fire right there in front of me. At the moment,
when there's no fire and I can just work even
if there's a lot of work in front of me,
and if I have so much work to do, if
I don't have that fire, and I just have the

(35:37):
work itself, and I can be creative, even if it
means I have to stay up till three in the
morning or from from In my case, you know, it
would really be going to bed at nine and getting
up at three in the morning to work, because that's
how I work. But even if it's that getting up
and putting in all these hours, it feels like a vacation,
Like working really hard, but without that pressure feels like
a vacation, And there's so much freedom to be creative

(35:58):
and to let ideas and things flow. And I did
not have that appreciation. I always worked hard in school
in high school, in college, like I worked so hard
in sports, in academics, I didn't even have a flame,
let alone. There wasn't even a match. Like my life

(36:18):
until then had been pretty simple, I'll say, or or easy.
I didn't have any of that type of stress. So
to then work under that stress and then now the
appreciation I have for working without that type of stress,
it's a I don't know. I sometimes I remind myself
of that all the time when I when I do
have moments of I'm working freely right now without that

(36:39):
pressure on, and it is amazing. And I'm not gonna
ever take that for granted ever. So, since then you
have sold your private practice, you've launched Nutritious Life and
Nutricious Life Studio. But earlier on in this conversation, you

(37:01):
talked about some of the pillars that you would work
with in your nutrition practice, and two of those pillars
have to do with food and the rest don't. And
considering you've been in the nutrition field for a long time,
a lot of times we think of older nutritions for
lack of a better word, there as not really seeing
the whole picture that us younger dietitians kind of think

(37:23):
and talk about right, like we think that older dietitians
are very calculated in the in the sense of, you know,
I don't even know a better way to say it,
you know, just eat less to lose weight. Whereas your approach,
which does very much or historically maybe still currently you know,
talks about weight loss a lot. You're not talking just
about food. So what are the pillars and why are

(37:46):
they there a brief synopsis? Of course, you don't have
to get into each one in full detail. I know
you're like, we don't have we don't have four hours.
All fantastic, but well no, but as we know. But
you know what, I'm just laughing. I never dive into
the topic that we were just talking about. So it's
funny like I'm sort of this is my own like
therapeutic session here diving in and talking about it. So

(38:08):
I'm probably going on and on talking about it because
again I don't and you, as a friend also, you
in a beautiful way, can pull those things out of
people to be raw and to share some of that,
so well, I think it kind of goes hand in hand.
Like if your approach to nutrition was black and white,
I think you would be in a mentally very different

(38:28):
place right now, without your nutrition philosophy to carry you through,
if that makes any sense, Like you went through something
awful and being able to recognize that well being is
all encompassing, you know, even sleep. How you even just said,
like you, for you, going to bed at nine and
waking up at three was worked for you. I think again,

(38:51):
just shows a level of self knowledge, a level even
of self care, even if that sounds extreme. You just
understand taking care of yourself, even if it's a bit untraditional. Yeah. Absolutely,
I want to tell you actually one thing and that
I'm gonna get to the pillars. I'm sorry, I'm going back.
You'd asked me when how did I sort of get
out of that going, going going, And I do just

(39:13):
want to say the one the one moment that I
think did start to slow me down a little bit
um and I'll make it brief, But I was on
the Today Show. So so I had just moved out
of my apartment. So now we're, you know, a little
bit a couple of again, a couple of years later
or a year and a half later, or whatever it was.
I had just finished a move. So I have these
two young kids, I'm still building my practice. I had
taken on a lot of the responsibility of raising the

(39:36):
kids in all kinds of ways. It was a very
stressful time again, going, going, going. I was on the
Today Show. I was in the green room about to
go on, and I thought it was going to faint.
And I turned to the publicist from Women's Health, who
I love to this day, and I said, I'm like,
I feel like I'm gonna faint, and she said, all right, here,
have a bagel. And I mean, if I'm gonna have
a bagel, I'm gonna have a yummy bagel, locks and

(39:57):
cream cheese. I'm not going to have a stale bagel
in the green room. But I was like, I'll eat
this sale bag because I think I'm gonna faint. I
go on, I do my segment with Natalie Morales. I
make it through the segment, and one would ever know.
I come out and I'm like Alice, and I'm something
is really wrong. I go directly to my internist and
she was like, have you like felt okay this week?

(40:18):
I'm like, no, I've been exhausted. My legs have been
tingling in all this, But I mean, I gotta keep
going like I've had I have a practice to run,
I've got bills to pay, I've got kids to you know, raise,
I'm doing all these things. And she said, you have shingles,
but like you're way too far beyond, like we can't
even do anything, Like you're you're on the mend from it,
like you're you're past the point of like you're done
with it almost. And I said, yeah, I've been again,

(40:38):
I've been dizzy, I've had and so that at that moment,
I was like, Okay, I am really not taking care
of myself. And I know I have a business to run,
and I have kids to you know, mouth defeat and
all of this, but I have to slow down. I
have to slow down. I gotta get it together. And
so after that think is when I really did just

(41:01):
step back and really try to take care of myself
and put a lot of those things into practice that
I was helping everybody else with. Okay, so you had
to physically get sick, really get close to your breakdown
point in order for you to realize, hey, I'm not
living and practicing what I preach and their consequences. Yeah,
and I mean and she said to me, what's going

(41:21):
on in life. I'm like, well I'm getting divorced, I
just moved and running a business that got financial stress
bla blah blah blah all the stuff. She was like, Okay,
like you gotta take it down a notch. And so
that's but that was that moment. So I did just
want to share that. I don't know if you ever
heard that story, you may have done. Not hear that
story now. But again, another great example of seeing somebody
on TV thinking they made it, not knowing that a
moment after they're passing out, you know, going to their doctor,

(41:43):
finding out that they have something very serious. Just continuing
to highlight that point that I think is really important
in this episode specifically. Well, and the other thing too,
was like, again, well social wasn't even a thing then,
but let's say it was. It's not that I don't
share those things to to try to I don't pretend
anything that I put out there. I just don't share
everything I put out there and say that's real. I'm

(42:03):
just sharing sort of like the things that you maybe
shared with the person in the coffee shop. I just
don't usually go deep, but everything that's get going out
there is real. Do you know what. I yes, I
just don't go deep on there. But again, like we
already discussed at the beginning for various reasons. But who knows,
maybe you're cracking me open for social right. I actually

(42:23):
think that in the beginning, I wanted to say, there's
something you know, it's almost like we applaud the people
for sharing online and that's kind of become like the
new norm. And openly sharing my life has definitely been
a reason for my quote unquote success. It came so
naturally to me and it was just kind of very easy.
But now that I'm many years into it and I

(42:45):
have a family, they're's something I really admire about you
and people who I see that use social media simply
to give their gifts to the world, whether it's cooking
or say psychology or you know, whatever it is. But
like their their personal life is like really tucked away,
like putting things on their stories, not just like and

(43:07):
here's everything that that's going on in my day. It's
like even on their stories, it's still related to their
what they want to share. Uh, And it's something I'm
fine tuning and learning. So I just don't want to
leave people with the idea that sharing everything is the
best way. I think that we're all kind of learning
that there's a sacredness to our lives behind the screens

(43:30):
and our families, or at least I'm learning it, and
hopefully you could learn from me second hand. So I
actually love that the world was so different back then,
and that you put on your dietitian pants and you
were a Dietitian and then you took them off at
home and there were no cameras and there was no
phones to be like, this is what my family is eating.
You know, if you were going to showcase what your
family was eating, it was in a prepared segment. And

(43:52):
even though obviously there's probably a level of fakeness that
could occur by not that you were fake, but when
we prepare things right, I think the same thing could
still happen on Instagram. Right, this is what my family
is eating, you know, it's it's it's the same. I
think that's I think to me, a lot of it
feels so contrived. A lot of it feels so contrived,
which is also to me feels a little I don't

(44:13):
love that is it actually real? Because we're sharing it
exactly you asked about the pillars, though I would love
if we could just touch on the pillar. One of
the reasons. Again, I don't even know if you know
this story, but I've always been interested in nutrition, always, always, always,
going way, way way back, and I have so many
stories and examples from childhood. But I always say that

(44:33):
nutritious life was really born when I was in college.
I was playing two sports my freshman year and then
I dropped one of them and I only played lacrosse
for the next three But I was an athlete, typical
college kid, busy, social life, academics, all of that was
running around, and I really I always say nutricious life
was born during that time because I realized when I

(44:56):
slept well, I then was more motivated to eat well.
And then when I ate well, I was more motivated
to you know, go to the library and study. And
then I felt better, I felt less anxious, I was,
you know, a happier person. So I always say nutritious
life and those pillars were really born during that time
when it wasn't just about you know, diet and exercise,

(45:19):
because I knew if I diet into an extreme way
like many people I knew in college I wasn't performing
on the athletic field, so there was no choice for
me to sort of do that drink diet cokes all day.
That was not an option. I couldn't do that if
I wanted to perform well. So I had to eat
so I which wasn't obviously a good thing. So I
always say that nutritious life, like the real really was

(45:40):
born then, even though I didn't know it at the time.
So then fast forward to when I was, you know,
starting my practice. I had started to study this in
school a little bit, but we didn't learn We didn't
learn much about any of this in school, as you know.
So I had done a lot of this research on
my own about the connection between sleep and stress and
stress and food cravings and all of that. And so

(46:02):
I said, when I start this practice, I really want
it to be about so much more than just diet
and exercise, because when I just focus on diet, actually
that doesn't work, and that doesn't make me feel my best. Again,
this is nine No, when I started the practice was
two thousand two. So my first logo of the business

(46:23):
had a little apple, like a little icon for an
apple for food with a little arrow to a drop
of water for water, with a little arrow to a
bed for sleep, with a little arrow to a brain
with little things coming out of it to represent stress. Anyway,
and the name of the business at the time wasn't
even Nutritious Life. It was Body Fuel, but I never
knew that, But the logo was still still represented what

(46:45):
you know I now call these eight pillars, which is,
you know, eat empowered, drink up, stress less, sleep deep,
sweat often, nurture yourself, love more, and live consciously. So
it the eight pillars, as I always talk about, really
encompassed to me what a nutritious life is all about.
It's not just about the food. It's about how all

(47:06):
of these different aspects of your life. Love more is
obviously the relationship pillar. Live consciously is everything from your
world and your space to having you know you know,
I mean, I know you know, how your space and
your environment can affect you and everything from your mood
to choices you make, but also the your your world
at large, things like toxins and all of that. So,

(47:27):
even going back again when the company wasn't even called
Nutritious Life, it incorporated all of these pillars because I
knew then I did not just want to go and
teach people about calories in, calories out die in exercise.
There was so much more, And if you didn't connect
the dots between these pillars, you are only going to
go so far. I mean, first of all, I've sat

(47:48):
down to like think about what are my pillars that
I teach before, and I just like throw the pen
up in the air and I'm like, carry already covered
it with her eight pillars. There's nothing, there's nothing left.
She nailed it. She's it's all encompassing. It's already there.
But I think that it was so ahead of its time,
so progressive, because you know, most people that are really
interested in diet nutrition, and I see it all the

(48:11):
time on Instagram, and you know, not that I'm in
an o G, but I am an o G in
some ways. You know, My interest in nutrition really began
fifteen years ago, you know, so I've been Unfortunately enough,
there was no social media, so my access to information
was much more widespread versus tunneled by a few professionals

(48:32):
that I could follow and just like let them sink
into my brain. But I see so often people getting
on their podiums and talking about food and exercise in
such a dogmatic way because they've just started to get
a taste for what it's all about, and they think
they know so much more. But it takes time, literally,
it takes years to dive into what it means to

(48:55):
live well, to experience fallout, to go through hormonal changes
of your own as you get older, whether it's even
going from twenty to twenty five, thirty five, like, all
of that gives you more information about what it means
to live well. Sleeping becomes more important. The one that
you touched upon that I'd love if we could get

(49:16):
into a little bit more, you said, obviously, but it's
not so obvious. Is love more talking about the way
you frame it. And Nutritious Life is about your romantic relationships,
sex specifically. I was fortunate to go through your program
and become Nutritious Life certified years ago, and I was like,
I can talk to my clients about sex, you know,

(49:37):
and obviously when done appropriately, when you know the rapport
has been established already. Was like, Oh, yes, this does
have to do with what we're talking about. But what
made you include that, especially years ago in your topics
that you discussed When people are coming to you to
lose weight or just be more nutritious in general. So

(49:59):
the eight pillars when you're tricious life, and that logo
actually had six pillars, and the two that I added
on were the live consciously, which is again is your
your world, the world at large, but also your actual
physical space and love more So, those are the two
that I added on a couple of years later. And
the reason for it was when I was working with clients,

(50:20):
you know, even asking them at the time about stress
and sleep, they would say, aren't you just gonna give
me a diet plan? Again, remember this is two thousand
to two thousand three, two thousand four. It was like
diet and exercise, tell me what to eat, tell me
how many calories to burn. And I really had to
educate people like, no, that's I'm not for you then,
because I'm going to teach you how to have long
lasting changes that are going to make you feel better.

(50:43):
Weight is going to be a byproduct of focusing on
all of these other things. So through those conversations, through
working with people, which is also something I say, you know,
I was I always remind young people now that are
you know, want to be instant famous? Right, away and
have all do all this stuff with brands. I say,
you go, you're going to get better at us by
doing the work, by working with people. That doesn't mean
that everybody has to work with people, but you've got

(51:04):
to do the work, whatever work it might be, whatever
you want to get better at there, You've got to
actually do the work and work with people. So from
working with people, working with clients, client after client after client,
relationships would come into the conversation and I would see
how there was you know, people would just as an example,
we talked about nighttime eating and I'd come to realize like, well,
this is all from this stressful relationship you're in, and

(51:27):
would have those conversations and then so then I dove
into it further, and I dove into relationships and connection,
and then I did a lot of research on oxytocin,
the common connection hormone, and how when you have sex,
like you release oxytocin. Oxytocin is an antioxidant. So that antioxidant,
you know, we know what antioxidants do. They fight free radicals,

(51:49):
those molecules roaming in our body that can cause everything
from inflammation to wrinkles to heart disease. So I always say, like,
having sex actually healthy for you, right, And I would
go into like the oxytocin thing, so I would talk
about that, but then I would also say, you know,
it's obviously so much deeper than just that. It's not
just about sex. It's just that connection, having connection even

(52:12):
with your dog, taking your dog for a walk, and
having connection, getting that oxytocin from even female friendships. Would
go under love more right one, and then I do.
And then we've actually talked a lot about that over
the past couple of years as it relates to community,
having community, having people and connections in your life. And
the reason I say the past couple of years is

(52:33):
just I think so many people remove from their communities
and removed from connection during the pandemic, and that is
hugely important. So now when I talk about love more,
it's yeah, there is this science behind it, and there
is this common connection hormone. But then there's also the
aspect of again just this connection that's happening, and just

(52:53):
being a healthy person, being able to share your feelings,
put yourself out there laugh laughter we know is important
for our health and reduces stress. So there's so much
we could go into there with love More. But that's
how I originally incorporated as a pillar was really from
working with people and spending so much time talking about
relationships and how they were either helping or hurting their lives.

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And then again I just dove into it and now
it's just a part of It's one of the pillars.
And I mean to live nutritiously right like we think
it's it's going to be very simple. And if I start,
you know, when I started my career, I probably would
have thought, you eat right, you move your body, you know,
that's that's health and wellness. But when I saw your pillars,
it kind of it's kind of like a swift kick

(53:39):
in the booty, you know, where it's like sleep well,
and I'm like, but I can't sleep, you know, love More,
I'm like intimacy, you know, And for so many reasons
at that point in my life, you know, was it
was an obstacle, mainly because I couldn't be intimate with myself.
I'm not even talking about sexually. But you know, health
and wellness to me was all about food, in body

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image and all this stuff. I was so caught up
in in in this insecurity, like you know what I
mean that I was so not fully engaged with life,
laughing more like sure if I was drunk, you know,
just to be to be brutally honest here, just because
again it was such a wake up call and and
again a reminder for anybody who's starting maybe listening to

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this conversation, and like, I want to live well, I
want to eat healthy, I want to move my body
great and great. But is it also in tangent when
things that are helping you interact with life more fully
and engage more with life fully. So even the food

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portion of your philosophy has always been really different, and
it has stood out to me in typical like I've
kind of talked about here fashion we think about our
d ease, or anybody talking about weight loss talking about
eating less and all about you know, the calories and
all of that. Whereas your approach, I think you have

(55:09):
an entire book dedicated to snacking, and you have an
entire book talking about antioxidants, right Like you look on
the back of a food panel and you don't see
anything about antioxidants, Like you're in the nitty gritty weaves
of food, which I think is so much more important.
But to take that approach to food fifteen years ago

(55:33):
was kind of, you know, unheard of, But I guess
it might tie back to your relationship to being an athlete.
But what inspired you to look beyond calories and talk
to people in a way that is obviously far more
empowering and positive, most importantly when it comes to fueling
their bodies. Well, So it's funny. The Antioxidant Book actually

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is the book that I was referring to that I
was writing during that whole post made off craziness, and
it is all about antioxidants. And where that comes from
is through when I was working with clients and educating
them and talking about that pillar of a nutritious life
called eat empowered. I always wanted to teach people from

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a place of empowerment, not from a place of deprivation,
and a lot of that again going way back to
even my own personal experience when I was in college
and my late teens in early twenties, I knew that
when I had a positive mindset towards food, I stayed consistent.
I was more consistent, and I saw that working working
with clients when I helped them do that. So one

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of the ways as I talked about, and you know,
with Eat Empowered, it's all about you know, I can
have these blueberries. And actually, again that book that came
out in two thousand and ten on Antioccidents that I
was writing during that crazy period of time, I literally
say in that book, I can eat blueberries. It's not
I can't have the chocolate cake and I and I
get into explaining and now again it feels almost silly

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even saying that here now because now so many people
talk about that, But at the time that concept was
more novel, like that concept of flipping that switch and
changing your mindset and connecting it to how it affected
your stress levels and your cortisol levels, because it does
affect your stress levels. So it was that connection between

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positive mindset and eating a certain way and connecting that
to stress and reducing your stress. And again that's how
some of these pillars work together from a physiological and
a behavioral standpoint. And so going a step further, when
I would educate people on that and eating in Power,
I'll go back to that blueberry example, that I can

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eat blueberries. It's why why are those blueberries? But what
are they doing for you? And understanding the how they're
loaded with anto sionens and antho. That's what makes them blue.
And those anto sigens are good for my brain and
I'm going to feel better and I'm going to be
sharper and smarter and feel better. And that's also gonna
They're also gonna be good for my skin health. Know, obviously,
you have to you have to address the motivation for

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each person. For some people it's brain, for some people
it's you know, their skin or whatever. But that's where
that a lot of that antioxidant education came from, was
from the why do you want to put certain foods
in your body? Why do you want to eat empowered?
You deserve to put these foods in your body that
are going to do such good things for you. And

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when you can flip people's mindset and educate them further
on the antioxidant side of it, it can get them
to eat that way and it helps change behavior for
the long term. So in that book, the meal Plan
that I've given, that book, it's all about counting how
many antioxidants you get, and the more the better. Because
I also wanted to play on that because it was

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it was all about, you know, getting these thousands and
thousands of or ACT points. I talked about this in
so long either but that's to bring us back. This
is the diet we all got to go on counting
and antioxident But it was the point where it says
much as much antioxidant value as possible, so the more
the better. It wasn't like as little calories as possible,
it's as much you want more. You want to get

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more antioxidsts. So it was part of that flipping the mindset.
If I have these blueberries, I'm going to get another
eight thousand or ACT points so or or ACT By
the way, just for anybody who's like, what are you saying,
it's oxygen radical absorbent capacity. So what it means is
is how powerful that food is as far as antioxidants goes.
So the antioxidants, obviously they're good for you for so

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many reasons, preventing, preventing neurnal degeneration, heart disease, cancer, But
it was also the concept of it, and the book
was to get people to think about doing good. You
deserve to put so much goodness in your body and
you're going to reap so many benefits from it. It
goes so beyond you know, how we introduce people to

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health and nutrition. I don't know. I'm talking with my arm.
My arm is like it goes up and beyond going
over to and like throwing out from my hands. I
know I don't usually on podcast, but I guess I'm
not pa with that, like my arms are flying. You know,
yesterday I was I was eating a salad and I
dressed it. I love dressing. I even put like sauces
on my salads, and I love lettuce on its own.

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On one of those weird freaks that like thinks of
rugula is a divine food. But nonetheless I was thinking
that I could eat like a rugela by the handful.
But anyway, that goes against my point next, which is
essentially dressing, right, which is full of calories, full of fat,
all the things that a lot of people are scared
of because of the conversation around calories and health over

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the years. I see it as a way for me
to eat more greens, more fiber, more of those micro nutrients.
And it's the same kind of thing when you're thinking
about how can I get more of it in my diet.
Sure it comes with calories, but what else is within
those calories? You know, and by the way that dressing,
as you know, the fat in the dressing helps absorb

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those nutrients, those facts vitamins. So bonus, bonus, bonus. But
and it was so novel and important for you to
do that work, to even talk about antioxidant, to talk
about cells, like you're not just a body that looks
in the mirror and puts on clothes and struggles to
like close your pants, Like that's not what you're doing

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this for. Maybe that's what it starts as. But you're
a body of cells that is fighting toxins, that's fighting aging.
If you want to feel good, you're going to need
to be eating things that are protecting your cells health,
if you want to be able to you know, thrive
the best you can in this in this world. So
I think that's just like incredible, and for any dietitian

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that has previously, for any of the older dietitians that
went above and beyond to talk about food in this
encompassing way like it, I have such an applaud because
it wasn't what people wanted to hear, and necessarily right,
it wasn't. And it's funny that book actually, of all
of my books, that is my favorite. I I really
I loved that book, which again just the irony that

(01:01:59):
I was writing it during that crazy time. So but
I I do. I love that book and it needs
to be updated. There are some things in there, like
fat free yogurt, for sure. I actually wanted to ask
you thank you for saying that. I think it's it's
so cool, you know, in my in my much smaller career,
I look back on some of the things that I've
posted on social media or articles that I've contributed to,

(01:02:19):
and I'm like, oh, I wish I didn't. Can I
believe that, you know? So it was curious if you
ever look back and feel differently about a topic, or
if you cringe at some of the things that you've
you know, said publicly, because so much of it of
your life has been in the media or printed or
sold in books, And how do you approach going backwards.

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But it's funny because I'll cringe it a lot of things,
But when it comes to nutrition science that I've said
in the past, I don't actually cringe at that because
I'm very honest about the fact that nutrition is a
new science. There's always new research, there's good old research,
and there's bad old research, there's good new research and
bad and bad new research. Like you have to take
all of the good research and you know, and synthesize

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it and then apply it to your specific life for
your client's life. Right, So I'm always going to continue
to adjust and tweak and edit and change the information
I'm giving. Now. The pillars of a nutritious life have
been there, and I venture to say that they will
always be there, but exactly how some of the pillars

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in tract, exactly how certain what certain foods do and
what certain nutrients do and will obviously my advice is
and is going to change based on science that comes out.
So I have no shame in that. I think if
you don't ever change your thoughts on nutrition, then there's
the problem. You have to be able to say, hey,
I got that wrong, and this is what I would

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say now to that. So even using that example, that
was when you know, I used to at the time,
and I was still very pro fat and saying fat's
your friend and you need a certain amount of fat,
which was also not everybody was saying that at the time,
but I was always gung ho at the fat part,
at least during that time in that book, um when
I wrote that book, but it was still okay. So
get the let's say the Greek yogurt for you're getting

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the protein in the calcium, and get the fat from
adding in some almonds. Right now we know a lot
more about the benefits of even some saturated fats and
why taking out all fat from dairy can actually be harmful.
So I would adjust that and say low fat or
full fat in a smaller amount with maybe even the
same amount of almonds, or maybe a few less almonds.

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But I've adjusted that. You have to tweak and you
have to grow with the science, and if you don't
continue to grow with the science in the fields, then
a you're gonna be left behind and you're not gonna
be doing anyone. I mean, I'm out here to help people,
right and if I'm not doing that and I can't
admit the things that I've said in the past that
I don't believe in anymore than shame on me. So

(01:04:51):
you know, Caroline, who has been on the podcast and
is one of our our friends and also colleagues, always
says like I'm a guinea pig, like she tests a
lot of stuf on herself before she takes things to clients.
And one of the pieces of wisdom that you can
offer as well is the fact that you're going we're
all going through a life cycle, but you've now gone

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beyond child rearing and into you know, hormonal female health stuff.
And my favorite class in school was nutrition throughout the
life cycle because I realized that our nutrition needs are
going to change. And while I couldn't really envision what
that would look like, flash forward twelve fifteen years from
me sitting in that classroom. You know, I've graduated from

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my twenties, I've had a baby, I've been through pregnancy, postpartum,
you know, beyond, and each of these stages, I know
that I need different things, not just because I went
through pregnancy. So if somebody's listening there, like I don't
want to go through pregnancy, nothing's going to change false.
You know, even my dietary needs have have changed. How
much fat I eat has changed drastically from a craving

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point of view, but also physiologically, I understand why as
my body producing as much synovia all fluid for my joints.
Probably not wish that it was, but I'm already creaky,
you know, and I want to be here for that.
So as you get old, right as you get older.
Now you're in this next phase of life where a
lot of women are facing body changes for the first

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time or again because their their metabolism is changing. I
know when I worked in private practice, women would come
to me post menopause and they were like, what is this?
You know? And I had research and I'd try to
you don't figure it out, but I hadn't gone through
it myself to know, you know where you're at. So again,
you're just kind of leading the pack of people who
have been with you and are growing alongside of you

(01:06:36):
and aging alongside of you to offer that type of wisdom.
So I think that's really cool. Well, it's funny that
you're bringing that up, because I actually that is one
thing that I'm thinking about, you know, bringing this full
circle to the social media conversation. I've been thinking I've
got to start sharing more of that becaut my personal
journey there, because I do think that may be really

(01:06:57):
helpful for women going through a lot of the things
I'm going through. This is a conversation I have with
friends all the time. I already mentioned that I'm gonna
be fifty soon. And the conversation of how often are
you getting your period? And I'm really regular. I get
my period really regular and you know, twenty to twenty
seven days every single month. Like I'm still doing that,
but I'm noticing a lot of other changes. My hair

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is thinning, and you know, and what am I And
people always ask me, like, what are you doing? And
how are you doing this? And I know so many
people they're going back to, let's say, a diet they did,
you know, ten years ago or post maybe, and I'm
not eating carbs and I'm doing this and I'm only
having this and it's not working. I'm like, because you
have a different body and you are your and it's
a good thing. Like you're aging, which is a good thing,

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but you want to keep your body healthy. And I
keep saying one of the things I'm reminding people is
take out all those carbs, and you're not going to
make the proper hormones that you need, you know. And
so those are things. Those are conversations that I've been
having a lot with many people in the Nutrition's life
studio community actually, and then also just friends of mine,

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and we've been talking a lot about it, So that
is actually something that I want to share a little
bit more. What's also would be so cool about that
is that that generation isn't being served because, like you said,
like getting on social media isn't so natural to you,
and there's only so many people that are on social
media in your age bracket, not a lot that have

(01:08:22):
your expertise, right, So I think that would be I
think that I could see you being really good and
comfortable with that. And it's not it hasn't been sexy.
I mean, it hasn't been a sexy topic for people
to talk about, like people don't, but there's no reason
it shouldn't be. And you know, I mean, I think
Gwyneth Palstro just wrote something about this when she turned

(01:08:43):
fifty and Goop there was a I remember I remember
seeing an article that she wrote about just this topic
and turning fifty and there's but there was something specific
with hormones that you said. I can't think of exactly
what it was now, but I thought to myself, Um,
you know, not to bring Gwinnie in here, but I
thought to myself, like, it's really great that. I mean,
I hope she shares two a lot about this topic

(01:09:06):
because she does have that power to make it a
little sexier, to stop, you know, menstruating, and to go
through this time. He talks about the not sexy times too,
write like, because I'm sure there are things that are
are less sexy and appealing that people feel alone about. Absolutely,
And when I'm saying sexy, I don't mean actually that
this time. I mean just the topic in general is

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sort of like I want to talk about that. You know,
it should be a topic that's even the not sexy
parts should be sexy in the sense that we're talking
about getting older. And like I said, I have to
start saying I feel fifty because I feel like I
have the wisdom of fifty and I feel great, and
feeling fifty can feel amazing. Yes, well, we are out

(01:09:49):
of time. I feel like I would love to have
you back on to talk about nutrition more. But I
am a huge supplement taker. I just want to kind
of get your one supplement. If you could only take
one supplement, what would you take. I have two in
my mind that you might go for, so I'm wondering
which one you're gonna pull or a wild card. I

(01:10:10):
have to that it's really I just thought of three,
so it's really hard to choose between. Okay, so I'm
gonna say just the one and then I'm going to
give my my runner ups. Okay, do that. So the
one would be glutoth ion. Got it, nailed it? You did?
You did a glutoth ione event a few years I did.
I did, and I was like, this is a super

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antioxidant that all of us should be taking, the master antioxidant. Absolutely,
And then it would probably be probiotic. Got it again. Yeah,
and then maybe an A D, which is a whole
other topic which we could dive into. Yes, I am
taking an idea right now. Yeah, so then maybe an
A D. That would probably be the second runner up,

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but I would say glutoth ione, then probiotic. And I
know you asked for one, but I'm just really impressed
with myself that I nailed your top two. I mean,
you know me, girl, you know me. Well, You're true,
you are true to brand, that is for sure. Okay, Kerry.
We covered a lot of things. We went really deep
into your life, and um, I really appreciate you sharing

(01:11:13):
that with us in our community. You are a true
bounce back story that did involve hustle, but then returned
to self care. Um, you show up as yourself and
you truly do live your truthious life. I'm so grateful
to have you in my life. I hope that everybody
here feels the warm magic that you exude into this universe.

(01:11:33):
I love you. I love you so much. Thanks Lee,
thank you. We'll see you here soon. I would love it, Okay,
thanks care