January 13, 2025 • 34 mins
In this episode, Tudor and Hollywood insider, Jamie Lee Lardner delve into the complexities of Hollywood, focusing on recent allegations against actor Justin Baldoni by his co-star Blake Lively. They discuss the role of intimacy coordinators in film, the media's handling of allegations, and personal experiences with celebrity interactions. The conversation also touches on the changing landscape of accountability in Hollywood. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm excited today because we are going to be talking
about Hollywood, and I know right now we're talking a
lot about California, but this specifically, we're going to be
talking about Hollywood personality. So it's a little bit of
a gossip type of show. But we have someone with
us today. Her name is Jamie Lee Lardner. She is
a media expert who has worked for management companies on
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set with TV stars, Hollywood directors, celebrities, everybody throughout her career.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
She actually grew up on sets too.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
And I've been following this story with this new movie
that came out.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
It ends with us. It's got Blake Lively.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
She is now accusing her co star of I guess harassment,
and he's kind of come out and said no, no,
there are allegations of her being difficult to work with.
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Now let's get into our interview with Jamie Lee Lardner. Jamie,
you posted something on Twitter, so I wanted to get
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a little bit of your background and what you see
from the Hollywood perspective.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
So my perspective is based on personal experience and as
you just said, working in many different ways throughout the industry.
But I watched the movie for the first time yesterday,
and it is a very sexual movie. I don't know
if you've seen it. There's a lot of sex scenes.
And she came out swinging with these allegations, and then
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he came back with receipts, a paper trail saying that
she never met with the intimacy coordinator. So that kind
of got me thinking about like unfounded allegations, because that's
where my experience comes into play.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Well, and that's so for the those of us who
are not people that work on movies and have intimacy coordinators.
Like I watch a movie and I think it all
just happens, but you know the behind the scenes. So
to me, finding out that she didn't meet with them
is a very big deal. And this is where I started.
I saw this at first, and I think there is
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a tendency to be like, oh my gosh, this woman
was in a bad situation, and then we all suddenly
hate Justin Baldoni. And here's a guy who is he's
kind of newer, his career is just taking off. She's
well known, she's married to Ryan Reynolds. Everybody is kind
has kind of been a fangirl like Lively at some point,
and suddenly is like, wait, if you make this up,
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it's incredibly damaging. When he comes back with the receipts
saying she wasn't there and you mentioned the movie as
very sexual, she says there were unwanted kisses and things
like that, But isn't that why you meet with this person?
Explain a little bit to those of us who haven't
had someone coordinating our intimate So.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, intimacy coordinators are like ninety nine percent there to
protect the woman who historically in the past male talent
will take liberties with put a hand a little lower,
you know, take a kiss a little longer. Actual things
she accused him of where it's a miss for me,
is that's all stuff that goes through the intimacy coordinator nowadays,
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who is effectively think of dance choreography, You don't just
go out there and wing your dance moves. Like you
have a heavily coreographed situation. That's how intimacy is nowadays.
Every placement of the hand, even down to what looks
better or like sexier, if you will. Like these intimacy
coordinators are extremely vital to the creative process. They protect
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talent and they help talent look sexier.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
That's interesting because we like to imagine that that's what
we all look like. And thank god nobody is in
my bedroom, like, no, put your hand here, this is going.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
To work out better for you. But okay, moving on
from that, we this.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Comes out New York Times, and Justin is like, holy crap,
this came out in the New York Times, and this
is like a but this.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Is a long article. So what occurred to have the
New York.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Times suddenly essentially decide to write a hit piece on
someone for Blake Lively.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Well, the lawyer went on camera and explained that Justin
received the notice that The New York Times was going
to run this at about nine pm the night before
and gave him a deadline to reply, which was only
a few hours later.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So I always love that too, because remember, you could
be out, you could be asleep.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You have just a few hours.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
To get back to someone who sneaks into your email
in the in the evening hours.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
That's a low blow.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah, And so we didn't give him a lot of
time to reply, let alone when the allegations are that serious,
you are going to call counsel. That left him very
little time to call his PR team or his lawyer,
because when you're getting accused of sexual harassment, you're going
to lawyer up.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
And so they were.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Going to print it within seven hours, per what his
lawyer had already said. So that was a big red
flag for me on something is not going according to
the normal process. And then he never got to respond,
So it was just all of her allegations running to print.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And that's why he's suing The New York Times.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I mean, and what would you do at this point?
And he's suing them for two hundred and fifty million dollars.
Now his attorney has been out talking to people and
he's like, look, if we have to, we're going to
go after Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds too, because they've
fully destroyed his career. And and to your point, when
you come back with these receipts, like, hey, this is
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not what happened.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Then it starts to look a little bit fishy.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
But she sort of has a reputation for not being
for having a bit of a mean girl side, and
this started to come out from people. I mean, this
goes back to even Gossip Girl, and I haven't I
was like thinking about it, and I'm like, I've watched
a lot of Ryan Reynolds movies. I'm a huge fan
of the proposal. It makes me very sad that this
could potentially mean that they're both like personally not very
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nice people, depending on how this ends up going.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
But when you look.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Back at this, she had issues with people on the
set of Gossip Girl, She's had issues with people on
other sets. It seems to be that there's a theme
here and you've actually experienced this too.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Mine was pre Gossip Girl. She was doing Sisterhood of
the Traveling Pants. I was an intern. Again, don't speak
to the talent, And I can go back and explain
why you don't speak to talent, but like, that's a
whole separate conversation, but well understood from my perspective because
I grew up with my parents in sports TV.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
So my job that day was.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
To hand out water bottles, and I had to walk
by them in the hallway with other interns who didn't
speak to her.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Nobody there were three of us. Nobody spoke to her.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
We pin ourselves against the wall so they can get
to and then we wind up on set. We watched
them tape the show, and maybe twenty minutes after taping
the show, they're like emergency intern meeting upstairs.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
So we all go upstairs and we're like, oh, what's
this about. You need to never talk to talent.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
You need to not treat them like you're a fan
of theirs. You're working, you're in a professional capacity.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
And I'm looking around like who did something at this
point because I didn't see any of that.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Then they asked me to stay after the meeting, and
I'm like me. Then they proceeded to say, what did
you How did you interact with Blake? Why does she
keep saying you treated her like a fan? You treated
her like a fan, And I'm like her, I didn't
speak to anyone, let alone her, didn't know who she was,
and so I was very just very confused, and they
specifically kept saying it was her.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
What could you have done? What could you have done?
I'm freaking out.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Am I going to lose my job at this point?
Because you know how interns are. You're the most disposable
person on set, get out. If you're a problem, you're
so easily removed. So the gravity of it hits me
as I walk out, and I just like start crying
because I'm like, oh my God, Like my dad had
gotten me this job.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Are they gonna call him after? Like where is this
gonna go?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Luckily, nothing happened beyond that other than it just stuck
with me. And then through the years, as I would
hear anecdotal stories, I was like, man, that kind of
tracks with my experience where.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
She fabricated a situation.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Now, sometimes I think maybe another intern might have spoken
to her somewhere else. I don't know why I was
specifically identified. To this day, I don't, but I like this.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I don't know. It was weird.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
And then later on other people who are below the
line were targeted by her as well, So there seems
to be like a she picks on or doesn't like
people below her. But all I can say is that
was my experience with her. I went on to work
with other movie stars, directors, other people in the industry,
and no one's ever accused me of treating someone like
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a fan.
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I mean, it's interesting because what I was telling you
before we started recording, so years and years ago, I'm
obviously aging myself now because I was an intern on
The Rosie o'donald Show, which is a show that when
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I talked to young people today, they're like, what was
that great? At the time, it was like a show
that every everybody loved Rosie, you know she she was
She had this big crush on Tom Cruise on the show.
Always would always talk about had celebrities on every day,
and it was really fun working there. So I was young,
I was just out of college. I was working as
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an intern. And when we got there, they explained she
had had a bad experience with an intern, and she
you know, anytime you're in that situation where you are
so famous, and she had had some experiences where people
didn't like that. And I think it was not widely
known at that point that she was in a relationship
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with a woman and they had children together, but there
were people that knew. So then there were people that
were threatening her, and you know, obviously those are very
when you were threatening someone or their children, they're very protective.
So I understood when they said she doesn't communicate with interns.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I got it.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And I have to say that her set was nothing
like what we've heard of other celebrities sets.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
The people that worked with her, they had worked with
her for years. They absolutely loved her. But I knew
my role don't talk to her.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
And I had become friends with some of her bodyguards,
and so, you know, like, I'm I'm twenty one years old, right,
and you're learning your place in the world. And so
I was at the front desk one day and they
were walking out and I said to the guy who
was with her, bye, have a good weekend. And she
turned around looked at me, and I was like, oh,
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not you, and then I was and she looked at
me kind of like what that, you know, And I
was like, no, that came out wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Not that you shouldn't have a nice weekend. I just
wasn't talking to you.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I was talking to him, and then I was like,
this is getting I hear what's happening, and it's getting
worse now. She, I think, kind of laughed it off
and walked out the door. And I never got I
certainly never got in trouble about it. But when I
heard your story, I'm like, man, it is true that
there's a lot of pressure on these sets, and I
think like, in that situation, she understood that it was
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not me trying to put her in an awkward position. But
had she had a different personality, I could have gotten
in trouble for that.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Oh yeah, there's talent that'll yell at you for that.
But I also wanted.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
To add in people are taking a risk on an intern.
You get some bad ones who are like read my
script right right and do all sorts of or or
fangirl on the talent like it does occur. So the
rule makes sense because so many people in my comment
section were like, what do you mean you can't talk
to tis?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
That's ridiculous. I wouldn't work somewhere where I couldn't, And
I'm like.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Oh no, when it goes wrong, it's extremely annoying. To
be talent, and every time you go somewhere, hey mister
John Cruise read my script. Hey mister John Cruse, I
want to be an actor. It's like, okay, the rule
makes sense until we know you well, because.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's I mean, we forget that this is their job,
you know, and they're going to work, just like I
wouldn't want to have people sitting outside of my door
at my office every day like.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Hey, can I talk to you about this? They're working,
this is their career and it's hard work.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
We think of movies as like so glamorous, but they're
long days.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I mean, you're in.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
A situation where you have to have an intimacy coordinator.
You know, it's awkward. These are these are tough days.
So I understand that. But she has had other experiences
where she has come off as this mean girl personality.
So I want to play this clip from a reporter
who interestingly released this just before this all blew up
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with Justin Baldoni and now Blake Lively is accusing him
of having coordinate with her to hurt Blake's personality or
hurt her reputation, and this interviewer said, no, I just
went back through and this was earlier, like six years ago,
and I really questioned my career after this interview.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
So let's watch one of the clips from this.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
First of all, congrets on your little bump.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Congrats on your little bump? What not my bump?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Which I watched this and then I saw that the
reporter posted she was postmenopausal, had never been able to
have kids.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
She did feel like she had a little bump.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
There because you know, when you get older, that's kind
of how women's bodies tend to grow.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
And she was so taken.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Aback by how rude it was. And you can see
in that clip if you're watching or even listening. I mean,
she's very condescending. It's very here is somebody saying, congratulations
that you're pregnant. She's obviously American, you can tell by
her accent. There's a different culture there, and yet Blake
makes her feel like she is this big and it's
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so nasty.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
It was that clip that actually got me into this
whole situation because it ends with us. It's not a
typical movie that I would be watching, not really my story.
I did wind up watching it to be able to
speak on these issues. But when I saw that clip.
It brought me back so hard to that day when
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she lobbied those allegations against me.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I was like, I'm starting to really believe that this.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Is a pattern here that wasn't just a bad day
or a misidentification.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And I think that if there is a pattern, then
you do have to call I mean, that interview went
off the rails, and if you'll notice in the interview,
she won't even make eye contact with this woman.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
And I really feel.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Like if you I've had this experience where someone has
asked me like can I come and promote my book
or promote my film or promote something on your podcast,
and then they.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Give you one word answers and you clearly can.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Tell okay, they're they're media person asked to have them
on here, and it's like pulling teeth.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
There's nothing more uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And I honestly think it's incredibly rude because you're taking
your time, You're you're using your platform in your space
to give them time to promote their stuff, and they're
treating you like you're lucky to have them there. So
there's another clip that I want you to watch, because
she's obviously got this this mean girl vibe where she
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is trying to be the victim as a woman.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Here it is you like the movie are you Woody
Allen fan?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I love most of his movies and this one was
so like visually amazing.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yeah, it's gorgeous. Did you guys love wearing those kind
of clothes that you yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, and you know working in digital to talk about
the clothes, But I wonder if they would ask the
men about the clothes.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
It's like, wasn't wasn't they have to do with her
like clothing?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Actually, I'm a fan of her style, like her street style,
whatever you want to call it. And she was talking
ad nauseum about Lily Bloom, the character she plays this style,
So I'm surprised she was hostile to a style question.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
And I think that that is why so many people
are drawn to her.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
She has this natural beauty. She's not really made up.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
There's nothing that you don't look at her and you go, oh,
those are hair extensions, are lip injections. You look at
her and she's kind of like striggle next Yes, that
girl next door beauty, And you're right, she can wear
baggy jeans and a T shirt and you're like, man,
I wish I look like that and baggie jeans and
a T shirt. She's kind of that person that would
be a great role model. And that's why I think
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it is so striking that when you see her in
these interviews, you're like, oh my gosh, you just ripped
my heart out.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And the other thing that strikes me about some of this,
I call it press going left with her is most
of these people are giving her car compliments and she's
like misinterpreting them or replying in a weird way where
like congratulations on your phone, thank you, next question well.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And I saw another interview where someone was asking her
what would you do if someone came up and they
said they identified with this movie and they wanted to
talk to you on a personal level about the movie.
And I think that when you do something like this,
you take on a role like this, you kind of
know that you have become a champion to abused women and.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
This is more than just a movie role.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
And I think that was what the interviewer was saying,
like this movie is about a wife that is being abused,
and she says, I have to break the cycle is
going to end here. There are so many people in
this world that are in that situation.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
So the guys like, what would you do if someone
comes up?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
And it's almost like a sensory issue, like she doesn't
fully understand and how to interact with people, and she
goes into this like are you asking for my personal number?
Are you asking for my home addressed? Do you think
they're going to want to contact me at any time?
Because when you ask that question, I'm a virgo. I
need it to be explained a little bit clearer than
what exactly you're saying. I saw that one and that
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guy is also put off, and you can tell everybody's
trying to like quickly clean up and apologize. No no, no, no, no, yes, yes,
Oh you're so funny, But why be so hostile?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I have a theory.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
There's a few different types of actors in my experience.
There's great improvisers, like your Will Ferrell's, like your Jim Care's,
like your Robin Williams, who you're going to let go
off the rails. There's actors who struggle with off the
cuff situations. But when you give them a script, man,
can they breathe some life into it? And they interview
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differently on Red Carpets, And my theory is she's a
script based actor who struggles in the moment with press.
And I know a few actors who are actually pulled
off of press because it's notoriously not gone well for
them as a way to just not distract from the film.
So I don't know where they lost the messaging here.
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But this is also why I think she's upset at Baldoni.
He was very consistent in his messaging. He was visiting
domestic violence shelters, he was bringing up violence against women,
and he was very consistent in the messaging of the film.
He wanted to shoot it from a female gaze to
make it really authentic to the survivor's experience. And so
that juxtaposed with her marketing her hair care product and
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billing it as a girl's night, I think may have
been like kicking a hornet's nest a little bit when
they were already not getting along, because it did kind
of expose she's missing the mark here.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Now. I don't know if that's her comms team.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I don't know if that's just how she is, and
she doesn't listen to the comms team like I don't
know what the origin of that is, but like, she
has a lot of interviews that don't land where I'm like,
someone needs to teach her how to like field these questions.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
A little bit of media trading, yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Because none of these questions should have been hostile replies now.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
And something you don't consider with an actress because you
do assume that they can just take on a role
and even if that role is being the interviewee and talking,
but maybe not, maybe she can't.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I just feel like you can get five talk points.
I mean I do this as an amateur. There's five
talk points that I want to reiterate and just make
sure make it into the conversation.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Right exactly and maybe easy one.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Maybe it's tough when you have someone with the personality
that is, I'm the talent, I'm the special one here,
and it's hard to even have that conversation you're going
to go in.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And I think that was actually a concern.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Of his in some of this stuff that has come out,
some of these text messages and messages between his team
and her team, It has come out, is she going
to bail on.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
The press tour?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Is she going to refuse to promote the movie, and
so I kind of wonder if because that happened, then
she started to get a little uptight and was like, well,
if I'm going to do this, it's gonna benefit me too.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
But what happens now we see that because this is
kind of a.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Unique situation, although we did sort of see it with
Johnny Depp as well. It's like you have one actor
attacking the other, and then that actor that gets attacked goes, actually,
I'm going to release the receipts, and then does somebody
end up getting canceled?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
This is what I really think will happen.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Say Justin loses, he's done right because Blake and Ryan
are so powerful so up here that he will just
be kicked out of Hollywood if he wins.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Blake and Ryan are going to be fine.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Like he was writing with the stressful movies of the year,
Deadpool did really really well.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
It ends with us now.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
As a result, as we say in pr there's no
such thing as ban press. As a result is like
one of Netflix's top films right now. So they both
prove that they can open a film. She has a
great filmography. Ryan is a great filmography. They have a
large fan base individually and together. So even if they
lose this, they're gonna be fine. Maybe she goes into
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a little bit of a pr rehab where she does
a domestic violence tour and like or does some cute
videos with her kids chopping vegetables.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
I think there's a way to rehab her image here.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I think if Justin can't pull this off, people won't
want to work with him again because why take on Goliath?
Why risk upsetting Goliath? It's a gig economy, it's a
referral economy. Blake and Ryan are going to be having
dinner with your Steven Spielberg's.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
If you are one of the lower.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Actors on set, you want them bringing you up when
there's a random part available. Oh, I had a great
experience with Jenny Slate, Like, let me bring her on
to the next movie. Versus if Jenny Slate comes out
and goes I'm team Justin whether or not she is,
it's way safer to align with Goliath in this instance.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
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back with more. Is this sort of a different world
than we have experienced in Hollywood before, because I feel
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like Hollywood actors have always been held up to this
like a unimaginable standard of perfection. And then we suddenly
saw this strange thing happen with Megan Markle, and she
just released this new It's some weird show on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I think where she is at her home, but it's
not her home.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
She rented the house, so she's making all this food
and she's supposed to. It's like she's getting honey out
of the backyard. And then all of a sudden, the
social media trolls were like, this isn't even our house.
She rented it, and she seems to be struggling to connect.
Once once you get canceled by the people and they
don't like you, is this a new trend in Hollywood?
Because like I said, I mean, Amber heard nobody likes
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her anymore.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And now you've.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Got Blake Lively, who could potentially be like, do we
want to watch her movies if she lied about somebody.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I guess it depends on how it goes.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
It doesn't, it doesn't. I still think Blake will be fine.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
And I'll tell you why amberhard was the smaller fish
in this one. So if she didn't win, she's justin right.
They're not going to recover where like Johnny Depp, whether
or not he was found guilty, he was going to
be put in time out, but ultimately have a big
comeback movie. That's what Blake will do. She'll have a
big comeback movie. Megan Markle, I don't know what the
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deal with that is. I do know it's common for
celebrities to rent a house for production for security purposes,
like the Kardashian state.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I wouldn't want to be showing you my house every day.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah, my friends who are actors, they got robbed twice,
and so now when the one shoots her Instagram, she's
very cagey about what she shoots and where because she
was told for security purposes, don't give.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
People a map of your house.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
The Kardashians famously rent some of their houses for that
exact reason.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
It's just don't give people a map of where they're
going to rob.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I'm always careful about how I take pictures in my
house so people don't see that my kids leave their
crap everywhere.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
That's where I come from.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I'm like there's journey laundry in that corner right now,
Please don't see that.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I'm like, this is really a house of having four
kids and a working mom. It is a little bit chaotic,
but I wish it were more a more serious reason.
But it's just because I'm careful of what people actually
see of the real life behind mom of four kids.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Well, like Kylie Kelsey and Jason Kelcey recently got a
little bit of flack for their house being a mess,
and she was like, I'm not over here pretending to
keep a clean house, like we're.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
In the house.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I you know, there was this there's a book I'm
gonna tell everybody to read. It's called Bittersweet, and I
can't remember who the author is, but one of the
things that she talks about is just hosting people and
having people come in and even when you've had your
house is totally chaotic, let other people see that your
house is not perfect.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
And I was like, I don't know that I am.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Comfortable exactly with that, because my house is totally chaotic.
But it made me feel better because it was just
this moment where I'm like, Okay, I like the fact
that the Kelsey's let you see that because.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
We're all under so much pressure.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
It is a different world of working parents too, working
parents and kids.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
It's just it's hard. But I do think.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
That this new Hollywood being held accountable, it seems a
little bit different than what has ever happened before. And
I kind of wonder if it's because Hollywood got involved
in politics. And then before that, I just loved everybody
in Hollywood. You know, I was like I because I
loved their characters. I loved who they played, and I
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didn't know who they were. And maybe that's what's different
once you find out, Okay, there's not they're just human too.
I mean, maybe that's silly, but it seems I was like, oh,
I wanted them to be you know, I wanted Leonardo
DiCaprio to be the guy from Titanic.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
They always say, don't meet your heroes exactly right, exactly,
and who knows.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
We'll see how this plays out.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
But I saw your post and I was like, I
have to have Ron to talk about this, and I
would love to have you back on the next time
we have something else happening in Hollywood. Obviously, we are
saying prayers for Hollywood right now. Because we're seeing what's
happening at California. It's devastating.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
It is beyond devastating. I have a friend that lost
their entire house. I have multiple friends just evacuating, which
having evacuated once, it's very scary, and it's just your
heart goes out to them because this is going to
be a long one.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
This is going to be a long, long journey for
a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I know, and I think people who are in.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Apartment buildings that are getting decimated, and where are they
going to go?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
It's just a lot, that's what.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
And that's where you also can sometimes see social media
becoming mean, where the people are like.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Oh, these are all the rich people, give me a break. Stop.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
It's everybody, everybody there, and it doesn't matter how much
money you have.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
You lose everything. I mean, imagine losing everything in your house.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I can't even It's all your memories, it's all of
your hand me downs, it's all of your children's first toys.
I mean, everything you lose, you just it's devastating.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
And you get moments of notice.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
You don't get advanced warning, so like there's a knock
at your door, there's a siren, blasting and you're grabbing
what you can, which, interestingly, a lot of people came
out and this was my experience, and when we had
to evacuate a fire, you grab the wrong things, and
so a lot of people just went for whatever they
could grab, and then they get out there and they're like, oh, no,
I wish I grabbed X, Y and Z. And I
still related to that because that was my experience. I
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grab the most random stuff, get to our evacuation zone,
and then I'm like, oh, I have nothing I need.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Right and there's no going back. I mean it's not
there's no recovery. You see some of those houses and
it's just rubble.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It's shocking.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Yeah, and they're not one of the virus is still
not contained.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I mean I was watching all morning with the kids
what the reports are, and it's devastating.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
It's just very devastating.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
So our prayers go out to everyone in California, everyone
that is suffering right now.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I mean, we've seen I think that is actually one.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Of the interesting parts about the connection that you have
with celebrities, because you have people like Paris Hilton come
out and say I lost everything and I'm devastated and
you can relate.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
It makes it, It makes the situation.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Real, and so I'm hoping we don't forget about it,
because the more you talk about something, the more help
will go out, and there has to be help from people.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
The thing I try to reiterate to people here in
Chicago is just because they're rich or poor, they lost
that sentimental photo, they lost their wedding drop, they lost
the sentimentals. Sure, the material bigger stuff can be replaced
if you have insurance, which that's another topic. But I mean,
you lost your grand watch, all those things. I'm like,
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I don't care if you're rich or poor. They all lost.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
And we think about all the iconic stuff that's back,
you know that is in California, Like you know someone's guitar,
someone's first emmy someone, you know, all of these things
that are really historical pieces and museums, and we've just
seen such destruction.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
It's been shocking.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yeah, I just I'm over here holding my breath checking
my text messages just to get updates from my friends.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, absolutely, we all are. We all know, but I
I am so grateful to you. It's been fascinating chatting.
It's nice to get away from all of the craziness
of the world and just sort of get a little
gossip in. So I appreciate it. Jamie Lee Lardner. Tell
people where they can follow you at.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Cool Mom Jamie on most platforms, So see you there.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Awesome, awesome, Thank you so much, and thank you all
for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this
episode and others. Go to Tutor Dixon podcast dot com
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Podcasts to join us next time. Have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm excited today because we are going to be talking
about Hollywood, and I know right now we're talking a
lot about California, but this specifically, we're going to be
talking about Hollywood personality. So it's a little bit of
a gossip type of show. But we have someone with
us today. Her name is Jamie Lee Lardner. She is
a media expert who has worked for management companies on
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set with TV stars, Hollywood directors, celebrities, everybody throughout her career.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
She actually grew up on sets too.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
And I've been following this story with this new movie
that came out.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
It ends with us. It's got Blake Lively.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
She is now accusing her co star of I guess harassment,
and he's kind of come out and said no, no,
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Now let's get into our interview with Jamie Lee Lardner. Jamie,
you posted something on Twitter, so I wanted to get
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a little bit of your background and what you see
from the Hollywood perspective.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
So my perspective is based on personal experience and as
you just said, working in many different ways throughout the industry.
But I watched the movie for the first time yesterday,
and it is a very sexual movie. I don't know
if you've seen it. There's a lot of sex scenes.
And she came out swinging with these allegations, and then
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he came back with receipts, a paper trail saying that
she never met with the intimacy coordinator. So that kind
of got me thinking about like unfounded allegations, because that's
where my experience comes into play.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Well, and that's so for the those of us who
are not people that work on movies and have intimacy coordinators.
Like I watch a movie and I think it all
just happens, but you know the behind the scenes. So
to me, finding out that she didn't meet with them
is a very big deal. And this is where I started.
I saw this at first, and I think there is
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a tendency to be like, oh my gosh, this woman
was in a bad situation, and then we all suddenly
hate Justin Baldoni. And here's a guy who is he's
kind of newer, his career is just taking off. She's
well known, she's married to Ryan Reynolds. Everybody is kind
has kind of been a fangirl like Lively at some point,
and suddenly is like, wait, if you make this up,
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it's incredibly damaging. When he comes back with the receipts
saying she wasn't there and you mentioned the movie as
very sexual, she says there were unwanted kisses and things
like that, But isn't that why you meet with this person?
Explain a little bit to those of us who haven't
had someone coordinating our intimate So.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, intimacy coordinators are like ninety nine percent there to
protect the woman who historically in the past male talent
will take liberties with put a hand a little lower,
you know, take a kiss a little longer. Actual things
she accused him of where it's a miss for me,
is that's all stuff that goes through the intimacy coordinator nowadays,
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who is effectively think of dance choreography, You don't just
go out there and wing your dance moves. Like you
have a heavily coreographed situation. That's how intimacy is nowadays.
Every placement of the hand, even down to what looks
better or like sexier, if you will. Like these intimacy
coordinators are extremely vital to the creative process. They protect
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talent and they help talent look sexier.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
That's interesting because we like to imagine that that's what
we all look like. And thank god nobody is in
my bedroom, like, no, put your hand here, this is going.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
To work out better for you. But okay, moving on
from that, we this.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Comes out New York Times, and Justin is like, holy crap,
this came out in the New York Times, and this
is like a but this.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Is a long article. So what occurred to have the
New York.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Times suddenly essentially decide to write a hit piece on
someone for Blake Lively.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Well, the lawyer went on camera and explained that Justin
received the notice that The New York Times was going
to run this at about nine pm the night before
and gave him a deadline to reply, which was only
a few hours later.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So I always love that too, because remember, you could
be out, you could be asleep.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You have just a few hours.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
To get back to someone who sneaks into your email
in the in the evening hours.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
That's a low blow.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah, And so we didn't give him a lot of
time to reply, let alone when the allegations are that serious,
you are going to call counsel. That left him very
little time to call his PR team or his lawyer,
because when you're getting accused of sexual harassment, you're going
to lawyer up.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
And so they were.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Going to print it within seven hours, per what his
lawyer had already said. So that was a big red
flag for me on something is not going according to
the normal process. And then he never got to respond,
So it was just all of her allegations running to print.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And that's why he's suing The New York Times.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I mean, and what would you do at this point?
And he's suing them for two hundred and fifty million dollars.
Now his attorney has been out talking to people and
he's like, look, if we have to, we're going to
go after Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds too, because they've
fully destroyed his career. And and to your point, when
you come back with these receipts, like, hey, this is
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not what happened.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Then it starts to look a little bit fishy.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
But she sort of has a reputation for not being
for having a bit of a mean girl side, and
this started to come out from people. I mean, this
goes back to even Gossip Girl, and I haven't I
was like thinking about it, and I'm like, I've watched
a lot of Ryan Reynolds movies. I'm a huge fan
of the proposal. It makes me very sad that this
could potentially mean that they're both like personally not very
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nice people, depending on how this ends up going.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
But when you look.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Back at this, she had issues with people on the
set of Gossip Girl, She's had issues with people on
other sets. It seems to be that there's a theme
here and you've actually experienced this too.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Mine was pre Gossip Girl. She was doing Sisterhood of
the Traveling Pants. I was an intern. Again, don't speak
to the talent, And I can go back and explain
why you don't speak to talent, but like, that's a
whole separate conversation, but well understood from my perspective because
I grew up with my parents in sports TV.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
So my job that day was.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
To hand out water bottles, and I had to walk
by them in the hallway with other interns who didn't
speak to her.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Nobody there were three of us. Nobody spoke to her.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
We pin ourselves against the wall so they can get
to and then we wind up on set. We watched
them tape the show, and maybe twenty minutes after taping
the show, they're like emergency intern meeting upstairs.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
So we all go upstairs and we're like, oh, what's
this about. You need to never talk to talent.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
You need to not treat them like you're a fan
of theirs. You're working, you're in a professional capacity.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
And I'm looking around like who did something at this
point because I didn't see any of that.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Then they asked me to stay after the meeting, and
I'm like me. Then they proceeded to say, what did
you How did you interact with Blake? Why does she
keep saying you treated her like a fan? You treated
her like a fan, And I'm like her, I didn't
speak to anyone, let alone her, didn't know who she was,
and so I was very just very confused, and they
specifically kept saying it was her.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
What could you have done? What could you have done?
I'm freaking out.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Am I going to lose my job at this point?
Because you know how interns are. You're the most disposable
person on set, get out. If you're a problem, you're
so easily removed. So the gravity of it hits me
as I walk out, and I just like start crying
because I'm like, oh my God, Like my dad had
gotten me this job.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Are they gonna call him after? Like where is this
gonna go?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Luckily, nothing happened beyond that other than it just stuck
with me. And then through the years, as I would
hear anecdotal stories, I was like, man, that kind of
tracks with my experience where.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
She fabricated a situation.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Now, sometimes I think maybe another intern might have spoken
to her somewhere else. I don't know why I was
specifically identified. To this day, I don't, but I like this.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I don't know. It was weird.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
And then later on other people who are below the
line were targeted by her as well, So there seems
to be like a she picks on or doesn't like
people below her. But all I can say is that
was my experience with her. I went on to work
with other movie stars, directors, other people in the industry,
and no one's ever accused me of treating someone like
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a fan.
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I mean, it's interesting because what I was telling you
before we started recording, so years and years ago, I'm
obviously aging myself now because I was an intern on
The Rosie o'donald Show, which is a show that when
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I talked to young people today, they're like, what was
that great? At the time, it was like a show
that every everybody loved Rosie, you know she she was
She had this big crush on Tom Cruise on the show.
Always would always talk about had celebrities on every day,
and it was really fun working there. So I was young,
I was just out of college. I was working as
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an intern. And when we got there, they explained she
had had a bad experience with an intern, and she
you know, anytime you're in that situation where you are
so famous, and she had had some experiences where people
didn't like that. And I think it was not widely
known at that point that she was in a relationship
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with a woman and they had children together, but there
were people that knew. So then there were people that
were threatening her, and you know, obviously those are very
when you were threatening someone or their children, they're very protective.
So I understood when they said she doesn't communicate with interns.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I got it.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And I have to say that her set was nothing
like what we've heard of other celebrities sets.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
The people that worked with her, they had worked with
her for years. They absolutely loved her. But I knew
my role don't talk to her.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
And I had become friends with some of her bodyguards,
and so, you know, like, I'm I'm twenty one years old, right,
and you're learning your place in the world. And so
I was at the front desk one day and they
were walking out and I said to the guy who
was with her, bye, have a good weekend. And she
turned around looked at me, and I was like, oh,
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not you, and then I was and she looked at
me kind of like what that, you know, And I
was like, no, that came out wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Not that you shouldn't have a nice weekend. I just
wasn't talking to you.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I was talking to him, and then I was like,
this is getting I hear what's happening, and it's getting
worse now. She, I think, kind of laughed it off
and walked out the door. And I never got I
certainly never got in trouble about it. But when I
heard your story, I'm like, man, it is true that
there's a lot of pressure on these sets, and I
think like, in that situation, she understood that it was
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not me trying to put her in an awkward position. But
had she had a different personality, I could have gotten
in trouble for that.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Oh yeah, there's talent that'll yell at you for that.
But I also wanted.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
To add in people are taking a risk on an intern.
You get some bad ones who are like read my
script right right and do all sorts of or or
fangirl on the talent like it does occur. So the
rule makes sense because so many people in my comment
section were like, what do you mean you can't talk
to tis?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
That's ridiculous. I wouldn't work somewhere where I couldn't, And
I'm like.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Oh no, when it goes wrong, it's extremely annoying. To
be talent, and every time you go somewhere, hey mister
John Cruise read my script. Hey mister John Cruse, I
want to be an actor. It's like, okay, the rule
makes sense until we know you well, because.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's I mean, we forget that this is their job,
you know, and they're going to work, just like I
wouldn't want to have people sitting outside of my door
at my office every day like.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Hey, can I talk to you about this? They're working,
this is their career and it's hard work.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
We think of movies as like so glamorous, but they're
long days.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I mean, you're in.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
A situation where you have to have an intimacy coordinator.
You know, it's awkward. These are these are tough days.
So I understand that. But she has had other experiences
where she has come off as this mean girl personality.
So I want to play this clip from a reporter
who interestingly released this just before this all blew up
(14:54):
with Justin Baldoni and now Blake Lively is accusing him
of having coordinate with her to hurt Blake's personality or
hurt her reputation, and this interviewer said, no, I just
went back through and this was earlier, like six years ago,
and I really questioned my career after this interview.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
So let's watch one of the clips from this.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
First of all, congrets on your little bump.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Congrats on your little bump? What not my bump?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Which I watched this and then I saw that the
reporter posted she was postmenopausal, had never been able to
have kids.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
She did feel like she had a little bump.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
There because you know, when you get older, that's kind
of how women's bodies tend to grow.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
And she was so taken.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Aback by how rude it was. And you can see
in that clip if you're watching or even listening. I mean,
she's very condescending. It's very here is somebody saying, congratulations
that you're pregnant. She's obviously American, you can tell by
her accent. There's a different culture there, and yet Blake
makes her feel like she is this big and it's
(16:08):
so nasty.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
It was that clip that actually got me into this
whole situation because it ends with us. It's not a
typical movie that I would be watching, not really my story.
I did wind up watching it to be able to
speak on these issues. But when I saw that clip.
It brought me back so hard to that day when
(16:30):
she lobbied those allegations against me.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I was like, I'm starting to really believe that this.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Is a pattern here that wasn't just a bad day
or a misidentification.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And I think that if there is a pattern, then
you do have to call I mean, that interview went
off the rails, and if you'll notice in the interview,
she won't even make eye contact with this woman.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
And I really feel.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Like if you I've had this experience where someone has
asked me like can I come and promote my book
or promote my film or promote something on your podcast,
and then they.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Give you one word answers and you clearly can.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Tell okay, they're they're media person asked to have them
on here, and it's like pulling teeth.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
There's nothing more uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And I honestly think it's incredibly rude because you're taking
your time, You're you're using your platform in your space
to give them time to promote their stuff, and they're
treating you like you're lucky to have them there. So
there's another clip that I want you to watch, because
she's obviously got this this mean girl vibe where she
(17:34):
is trying to be the victim as a woman.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Here it is you like the movie are you Woody
Allen fan?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I love most of his movies and this one was
so like visually amazing.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yeah, it's gorgeous. Did you guys love wearing those kind
of clothes that you yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, and you know working in digital to talk about
the clothes, But I wonder if they would ask the
men about the clothes.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
It's like, wasn't wasn't they have to do with her
like clothing?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Actually, I'm a fan of her style, like her street style,
whatever you want to call it. And she was talking
ad nauseum about Lily Bloom, the character she plays this style,
So I'm surprised she was hostile to a style question.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
And I think that that is why so many people
are drawn to her.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
She has this natural beauty. She's not really made up.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
There's nothing that you don't look at her and you go, oh,
those are hair extensions, are lip injections. You look at
her and she's kind of like striggle next Yes, that
girl next door beauty, And you're right, she can wear
baggy jeans and a T shirt and you're like, man,
I wish I look like that and baggie jeans and
a T shirt. She's kind of that person that would
be a great role model. And that's why I think
(18:44):
it is so striking that when you see her in
these interviews, you're like, oh my gosh, you just ripped
my heart out.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And the other thing that strikes me about some of this,
I call it press going left with her is most
of these people are giving her car compliments and she's
like misinterpreting them or replying in a weird way where
like congratulations on your phone, thank you, next question well.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And I saw another interview where someone was asking her
what would you do if someone came up and they
said they identified with this movie and they wanted to
talk to you on a personal level about the movie.
And I think that when you do something like this,
you take on a role like this, you kind of
know that you have become a champion to abused women and.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
This is more than just a movie role.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
And I think that was what the interviewer was saying,
like this movie is about a wife that is being abused,
and she says, I have to break the cycle is
going to end here. There are so many people in
this world that are in that situation.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
So the guys like, what would you do if someone
comes up?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
And it's almost like a sensory issue, like she doesn't
fully understand and how to interact with people, and she
goes into this like are you asking for my personal number?
Are you asking for my home addressed? Do you think
they're going to want to contact me at any time?
Because when you ask that question, I'm a virgo. I
need it to be explained a little bit clearer than
what exactly you're saying. I saw that one and that
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guy is also put off, and you can tell everybody's
trying to like quickly clean up and apologize. No no, no, no, no, yes, yes,
Oh you're so funny, But why be so hostile?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I have a theory.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
There's a few different types of actors in my experience.
There's great improvisers, like your Will Ferrell's, like your Jim Care's,
like your Robin Williams, who you're going to let go
off the rails. There's actors who struggle with off the
cuff situations. But when you give them a script, man,
can they breathe some life into it? And they interview
(20:50):
differently on Red Carpets, And my theory is she's a
script based actor who struggles in the moment with press.
And I know a few actors who are actually pulled
off of press because it's notoriously not gone well for
them as a way to just not distract from the film.
So I don't know where they lost the messaging here.
(21:11):
But this is also why I think she's upset at Baldoni.
He was very consistent in his messaging. He was visiting
domestic violence shelters, he was bringing up violence against women,
and he was very consistent in the messaging of the film.
He wanted to shoot it from a female gaze to
make it really authentic to the survivor's experience. And so
that juxtaposed with her marketing her hair care product and
(21:34):
billing it as a girl's night, I think may have
been like kicking a hornet's nest a little bit when
they were already not getting along, because it did kind
of expose she's missing the mark here.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Now. I don't know if that's her comms team.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I don't know if that's just how she is, and
she doesn't listen to the comms team like I don't
know what the origin of that is, but like, she
has a lot of interviews that don't land where I'm like,
someone needs to teach her how to like field these questions.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
A little bit of media trading, yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Because none of these questions should have been hostile replies now.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
And something you don't consider with an actress because you
do assume that they can just take on a role
and even if that role is being the interviewee and talking,
but maybe not, maybe she can't.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I just feel like you can get five talk points.
I mean I do this as an amateur. There's five
talk points that I want to reiterate and just make
sure make it into the conversation.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Right exactly and maybe easy one.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Maybe it's tough when you have someone with the personality
that is, I'm the talent, I'm the special one here,
and it's hard to even have that conversation you're going
to go in.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And I think that was actually a concern.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Of his in some of this stuff that has come out,
some of these text messages and messages between his team
and her team, It has come out, is she going
to bail on.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
The press tour?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Is she going to refuse to promote the movie, and
so I kind of wonder if because that happened, then
she started to get a little uptight and was like, well,
if I'm going to do this, it's gonna benefit me too.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
But what happens now we see that because this is
kind of a.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Unique situation, although we did sort of see it with
Johnny Depp as well. It's like you have one actor
attacking the other, and then that actor that gets attacked goes, actually,
I'm going to release the receipts, and then does somebody
end up getting canceled?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
This is what I really think will happen.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Say Justin loses, he's done right because Blake and Ryan
are so powerful so up here that he will just
be kicked out of Hollywood if he wins.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Blake and Ryan are going to be fine.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Like he was writing with the stressful movies of the year,
Deadpool did really really well.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
It ends with us now.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
As a result, as we say in pr there's no
such thing as ban press. As a result is like
one of Netflix's top films right now. So they both
prove that they can open a film. She has a
great filmography. Ryan is a great filmography. They have a
large fan base individually and together. So even if they
lose this, they're gonna be fine. Maybe she goes into
(24:14):
a little bit of a pr rehab where she does
a domestic violence tour and like or does some cute
videos with her kids chopping vegetables.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
I think there's a way to rehab her image here.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I think if Justin can't pull this off, people won't
want to work with him again because why take on Goliath?
Why risk upsetting Goliath? It's a gig economy, it's a
referral economy. Blake and Ryan are going to be having
dinner with your Steven Spielberg's.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
If you are one of the lower.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Actors on set, you want them bringing you up when
there's a random part available. Oh, I had a great
experience with Jenny Slate, Like, let me bring her on
to the next movie. Versus if Jenny Slate comes out
and goes I'm team Justin whether or not she is,
it's way safer to align with Goliath in this instance.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
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back with more. Is this sort of a different world
than we have experienced in Hollywood before, because I feel
(26:22):
like Hollywood actors have always been held up to this
like a unimaginable standard of perfection. And then we suddenly
saw this strange thing happen with Megan Markle, and she
just released this new It's some weird show on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I think where she is at her home, but it's
not her home.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
She rented the house, so she's making all this food
and she's supposed to. It's like she's getting honey out
of the backyard. And then all of a sudden, the
social media trolls were like, this isn't even our house.
She rented it, and she seems to be struggling to connect.
Once once you get canceled by the people and they
don't like you, is this a new trend in Hollywood?
Because like I said, I mean, Amber heard nobody likes
(27:05):
her anymore.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And now you've.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Got Blake Lively, who could potentially be like, do we
want to watch her movies if she lied about somebody.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I guess it depends on how it goes.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
It doesn't, it doesn't. I still think Blake will be fine.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
And I'll tell you why amberhard was the smaller fish
in this one. So if she didn't win, she's justin right.
They're not going to recover where like Johnny Depp, whether
or not he was found guilty, he was going to
be put in time out, but ultimately have a big
comeback movie. That's what Blake will do. She'll have a
big comeback movie. Megan Markle, I don't know what the
(27:39):
deal with that is. I do know it's common for
celebrities to rent a house for production for security purposes,
like the Kardashian state.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I wouldn't want to be showing you my house every day.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah, my friends who are actors, they got robbed twice,
and so now when the one shoots her Instagram, she's
very cagey about what she shoots and where because she
was told for security purposes, don't give.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
People a map of your house.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
The Kardashians famously rent some of their houses for that
exact reason.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
It's just don't give people a map of where they're
going to rob.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I'm always careful about how I take pictures in my
house so people don't see that my kids leave their
crap everywhere.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
That's where I come from.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I'm like there's journey laundry in that corner right now,
Please don't see that.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I'm like, this is really a house of having four
kids and a working mom. It is a little bit chaotic,
but I wish it were more a more serious reason.
But it's just because I'm careful of what people actually
see of the real life behind mom of four kids.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Well, like Kylie Kelsey and Jason Kelcey recently got a
little bit of flack for their house being a mess,
and she was like, I'm not over here pretending to
keep a clean house, like we're.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
In the house.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I you know, there was this there's a book I'm
gonna tell everybody to read. It's called Bittersweet, and I
can't remember who the author is, but one of the
things that she talks about is just hosting people and
having people come in and even when you've had your
house is totally chaotic, let other people see that your
house is not perfect.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
And I was like, I don't know that I am.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Comfortable exactly with that, because my house is totally chaotic.
But it made me feel better because it was just
this moment where I'm like, Okay, I like the fact
that the Kelsey's let you see that because.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
We're all under so much pressure.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
It is a different world of working parents too, working
parents and kids.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
It's just it's hard. But I do think.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
That this new Hollywood being held accountable, it seems a
little bit different than what has ever happened before. And
I kind of wonder if it's because Hollywood got involved
in politics. And then before that, I just loved everybody
in Hollywood. You know, I was like I because I
loved their characters. I loved who they played, and I
(29:50):
didn't know who they were. And maybe that's what's different
once you find out, Okay, there's not they're just human too.
I mean, maybe that's silly, but it seems I was like, oh,
I wanted them to be you know, I wanted Leonardo
DiCaprio to be the guy from Titanic.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
They always say, don't meet your heroes exactly right, exactly,
and who knows.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
We'll see how this plays out.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
But I saw your post and I was like, I
have to have Ron to talk about this, and I
would love to have you back on the next time
we have something else happening in Hollywood. Obviously, we are
saying prayers for Hollywood right now. Because we're seeing what's
happening at California. It's devastating.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
It is beyond devastating. I have a friend that lost
their entire house. I have multiple friends just evacuating, which
having evacuated once, it's very scary, and it's just your
heart goes out to them because this is going to
be a long one.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
This is going to be a long, long journey for
a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I know, and I think people who are in.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Apartment buildings that are getting decimated, and where are they
going to go?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
It's just a lot, that's what.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
And that's where you also can sometimes see social media
becoming mean, where the people are like.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Oh, these are all the rich people, give me a break. Stop.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
It's everybody, everybody there, and it doesn't matter how much
money you have.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
You lose everything. I mean, imagine losing everything in your house.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I can't even It's all your memories, it's all of
your hand me downs, it's all of your children's first toys.
I mean, everything you lose, you just it's devastating.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
And you get moments of notice.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
You don't get advanced warning, so like there's a knock
at your door, there's a siren, blasting and you're grabbing
what you can, which, interestingly, a lot of people came
out and this was my experience, and when we had
to evacuate a fire, you grab the wrong things, and
so a lot of people just went for whatever they
could grab, and then they get out there and they're like, oh, no,
I wish I grabbed X, Y and Z. And I
still related to that because that was my experience. I
(31:47):
grab the most random stuff, get to our evacuation zone,
and then I'm like, oh, I have nothing I need.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Right and there's no going back. I mean it's not
there's no recovery. You see some of those houses and
it's just rubble.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It's shocking.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Yeah, and they're not one of the virus is still
not contained.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I mean I was watching all morning with the kids
what the reports are, and it's devastating.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
It's just very devastating.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
So our prayers go out to everyone in California, everyone
that is suffering right now.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I mean, we've seen I think that is actually one.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Of the interesting parts about the connection that you have
with celebrities, because you have people like Paris Hilton come
out and say I lost everything and I'm devastated and
you can relate.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
It makes it, It makes the situation.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Real, and so I'm hoping we don't forget about it,
because the more you talk about something, the more help
will go out, and there has to be help from people.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
The thing I try to reiterate to people here in
Chicago is just because they're rich or poor, they lost
that sentimental photo, they lost their wedding drop, they lost
the sentimentals. Sure, the material bigger stuff can be replaced
if you have insurance, which that's another topic. But I mean,
you lost your grand watch, all those things. I'm like,
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I don't care if you're rich or poor. They all lost.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
And we think about all the iconic stuff that's back,
you know that is in California, Like you know someone's guitar,
someone's first emmy someone, you know, all of these things
that are really historical pieces and museums, and we've just
seen such destruction.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
It's been shocking.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yeah, I just I'm over here holding my breath checking
my text messages just to get updates from my friends.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, absolutely, we all are. We all know, but I
I am so grateful to you. It's been fascinating chatting.
It's nice to get away from all of the craziness
of the world and just sort of get a little
gossip in. So I appreciate it. Jamie Lee Lardner. Tell
people where they can follow you at.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Cool Mom Jamie on most platforms, So see you there.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Awesome, awesome, Thank you so much, and thank you all
for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this
episode and others. Go to Tutor Dixon podcast dot com
or the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Podcasts to join us next time. Have a blessed day.
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