July 2, 2025 • 35 mins
In this episode, Gianno Caldwell shares his personal journey following the tragic murder of his brother, Christian, and discusses the broader implications of violent crime in America. He emphasizes the need for a justice system that prioritizes the safety of law-abiding citizens and explores the stories of other victims of violence. Caldwell advocates for community engagement, faith, and strong leadership to address the root causes of crime and promote healing in affected neighborhoods. The conversation highlights the importance of personal responsibility and the need for comprehensive solutions to the ongoing crisis of violence in American cities. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everyone, Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm sure
you have all seen Gianno Caldwell out there. He is
an analyst on Fox News.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
But one of the.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Things that you've probably seen him talking about is his
brother who was murdered on the streets of Chicago, and
he became the founder of the Caldwell Institute for Public Safety.
It's a nonprofit that is dedicated to ensuring a justice
system that prioritizes the safety and security of all law
abiding citizens. He has written a book and it is
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an amazing book and I am here to talk to
you about it today with the man himself. The book
is called The Day My Brother Was Murdered, My Journey
through America's Violent Crime Crisis. Giano, thank you so much
for joining me and talking about this.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Absolutely, thank you. I really enjoy your commentary and your works,
so thank.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You for having me. Well.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I appreciate that I was reading through this and this
is a book that we have needed for so long,
and it makes me it breaks my heart that it
comes out of your pain of losing your eighteen year
old brother, Christian. It's a story that we have heard
so so so many times. I mean, we heard it
in Detroit over the weekend, and it makes me tear
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up to think about this. But a drive by shooting
in Detroit, a four year old boy shot in the
back and killed, and his mother is out there with
her five or six children. I think he was the
youngest of six, and all of her children watched her
youngest son murdered out in broad daylight playing at the park.
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Your book covers this so well. I don't know if
that's the right way to say that. Oh my gosh,
tell us a little bit about you, how you decided
you had to follow these people's stories, because it's not
just your brother's story. And yes, it's a story of
many people.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yes, yes, and again, thank you for having me. I'm
honored to be here to discuss this with you. On
June twenty fourth, twenty twenty two, my life changed forever well.
My innocent, teenage baby brother, Christian, was murdered in Chicago,
and since then I've been out for justice, not just
for him, but other families as well who have experienced
the same tragedy. And that's when I established the Caldwell
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Institute for Public Safety at Calwell Institute dot org.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Please support our efforts there.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
You know this book itself, the day my brother was murdered,
my journey through America violence crime, violent crime crisis, as
I've been attempting to aggrieve my brother's death, which I
really have, and I've been focused on justice for him,
which has been the fueling of my efforts.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I look back at that day.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Over one hundred and fifty people were murdered that day
across the nation. People like that day that day, and
I got to tell you, I wanted to write about
that day, not just about my brother, but I chose
eight other families, so total of nine. People like James
from Philadelphia, who was an Army veteran who had PTSD
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so we oftentimes couldn't sleep, so he would go to
the park at one or two in the morning. And
on June twenty fourth, he went to the park and
there was some teenagers in that park and some kids
that were younger than teenage, and he said to them,
what are you all doing out here? You need to
go home, and they end up beating him to death
with the traffic home. His name is James or Cat.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
That's that story. I just want to stop for a
second because the impact of that story on me, and
I'm sure on many people when they read it, is
how the community had changed, because you go through so
many times. He was like a mentor. He was somebody
that everybody saw as a father figure or an uncle
figure that in the past, kids on the street, no
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matter what time of night it was, would have known
who he was and would have loved him and had
enough respect for the community. And there was no this
was just a senseless murder. There's this wasn't like a fight.
He was asking about their welfare, really, and they just
brutally beat him to death.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
And the truth of the matter is, when I was
growing up, if any adult said hey, you should be
going home, everyone would leave the park, almost like it
was the police and themselves saying go home. But in
this case, those kids didn't listen, and in this case,
lives have been devastated in their wake of their actions.
Or people like Catherine, who was a wife, a mother,
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a grandmother, sixty four years old, who was a chemical
engineer going home in Texas when a drug deal went bad,
the guy that was selling the drugs was trying to
rip off the guy that was buying the drugs, and
vice versa. A shootout takes place on the highway in
Texas and she ends up losing her life and her
family lost the beacon of hope for their own family.
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Or baby Cecilia in Chicago, who was five months old,
four days from her six month birthday. She's in a
car with her parents, her mom and dad up front
and her three year old brother in the back seat
when they thought they heard fireworks and then the three
year old brother said that his sister was bleeding.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
She was murdered shot.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
These are the stories that are absolutely tragic and heartbreaking.
There's many of them, but we already know how bad
it is. We read the newspapers every day, we see
it on TV. We know that there's been a crisis
in many cities, especially the very liberal ones. So I
wanted to think about how can I bring about solutions
to this problem. So I talk to people like John
Walsh from America's Most Wanted, or doctor Drew Pinsk on
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the mental health crisis that has impacted our country and
its contributions to crime. Or Sean Hannity on the politics
of it all, or doctor Bill Winston. My pastor from
Chicago has a twenty thousand member church we've talked to
educators because there's solutions to these issues and we need
to explore it. We need to speak out, we need
to be very direct about it. And the reason why
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for a lot of people, which oftentimes when the issues
would come up, it would say, oh, that's just those
those folks over their problem, that's not our issue, that's
their problem. Well, the truth of the matter is me myself.
I had to learn the very hard way. Any of
these things can happen to someone in your very own family.
So it's time for us to unite as a community,
as a country and say enough is enough, period.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And uniting it, I think is the key here because
even what you're doing that is it's plugging one hole,
but there's so many holes. I mean, if I just
look at Malik's story, what an interesting story. He goes
to school that specializes in trauma because look at these kids,
they're dealing with trauma all the time, every day. I mean,
the little boy who watched his sister get shot in
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the head, now he's dealing with trauma. This is a
society where kids they experience one trauma after another. And
Malik is in this high school. It's super successful. They
have a great graduation rate. These kids are going to college.
Six days after he graduates, he gets killed.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, that's right, that's right, and to that point, and
that's such a heartbreaking story. To that point, Doctor Drew
even spoke on within the book you Can Get the
day my brother was murdered.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
He spoke about how the trauma has real impact.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
On our daily lives and also the decision that some
of these children will make in the future. A lot
of folks in these neighborhoods have become numb to the
murderers of different people because they see it all the time.
You know, I know, you have a bunch of stories
you can tell about people you know, and you've had
personal experiences as well. But the thing is there happened
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so much in these left leaning cities where progressives run it,
liberal democrats run it. And I'm not saying it doesn't
happen all over the nation, because it does. But there
are certain areas where soft on client policies flourish, where
George Forwards funded prosecutors. I call them political prosecutors because
that's how they act. They don't care about the nature
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of the society and the residents in which they're supposed
to serve for their protection.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
They care about the politics.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Of it all, and that's where it's become a major
issue in American society, and that's where things absolutely need
to change.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
So that's what as I'm reading through this book, and
I want people to know that this book, I know
it sounds like we're telling you a lot of horrible stories,
but you are actually stepping into a lot of the
discussions that you see on TV every single day, and
you're not getting that full, well rounded discussion of one side.
And a lot of times this is a political argument.
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You've got one side saying no cash bailed, on the
other side saying we've got to lock up people who
are bad, and you have in the background this constant
regurgitation of trauma in these kids' lives, and everybody's stepping
aside and exactly what you're saying saying, you know what,
that's not my neighborhood. But I believe if we pass
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this law or this law, then maybe something will happen.
But there's so much value in what you say in
this book because you talk about faith, and no matter
what faith it is, faith in communities, it changes people
gives them hope, it gives them a reason to live.
And I will share with you one of the reasons
that I decided to run for governor in the state
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of Michigan, and that is so when I moved up
to Michigan, I live in an area where part of
the county that I live in has a high crime area.
And so I was called to jury duty one day,
and the jury duty was for two guys who had
broken into somebody's house and stole It was a marijuana crime.
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They stole marijuana. They had beaten the guys over the
head with guns. And the question is was it gons?
Was it not guns? And I remember these these guys
were one was twenty eight when the other was twenty seven.
Each of them had over four kids. They were going
to go to jail for thirty years. We didn't know
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this at the time as we're trying to decide what
the issue is here. But when I left, I had
a police officer walk me out to the car and
he said, I could tell this really bothered you. And
I said, yeah, because I want to know that we
really knew they had weapons. That was the question, you know,
did they really have them? And so one other girl
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and me we were going through this and saying, you know,
I want proof. I want to know. It's really hard
when you're in that jury box with twelve people, you know.
And he said you should know. And this has also
stuck with me. You should know. These guys never had
a chance. The one guy's uncle is a cop killer.
The other guy's dad is a cop killer. They were
set up. They were never going to be good guys.
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They were always going to end up in jail. And
I was like, no, that cannot be the way we
look at this, you know. But it was just accept it,
and that to me what you say in this book.
I actually marked the page because I thought it was
because you say, if all if a thousand white kids
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were killed in Chicago in a single year, would something change?
And that was exactly what I thought. This guy is
like these guys never had a chance. Ignore it. But
if they were white, would he have felt differently? I
mean it, really, it is like a scar on my soul.
I think about it all the time. Why do we
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just ignore this? And no matter what it is, every
politician is ignoring it because the crime is segregated. The
murders are segregated.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
More often than not. That is very true.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
But I think about in the city of Chicago, in
which I grew up, and we had one of the
most thriving downtowns. I think it's honestly, just from the
look of it is. I've been on every continent but Antarctica.
This is the best looking downtown I've ever seen in
the world. And I've been all over the world. But
the truth of the matter is the city has collapsed.
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And we used to think that if crime came downtown
that the mayor and everybody else would be up and
arm and they would say, no, you can't do this here,
cops everywhere.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
But the truth is people are robbing people in Lincoln Park.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Now they're doing shootouts across the street from city Hall.
I had a press conference in front of the Chicago
Police headquarters about I think maybe a year or two ago,
and it was for Murdered Victims Day or something like that.
Congress designated to day. I think it was Murdered Victims
Day or something like that. So I've brought together a
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group of victims of aolan crime. They had family members
that were murdered, and we want to speak very directly
to the Chicago politicians. And I will never forget the
person who told me, listen, you got to be very
careful out here. And of course I'm from Chicago, I
lived on the South Side. I know you have to
be very careful. But I said, we're in front of
the Chicago Police headquarters. We'll be fine. They said, no,
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there's been multiple shootouts in front of the Chicago Police headquarters.
What in front of the Chicago Police headquarters?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
So at what point?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
At what point do people say enough is truly enough?
And I think that's the conversation that we must have.
And that was why it was so important for me
to write The Day my brother was murdered, my journey
through Americas whilent crime crisis, because I feel like in
many places around the country, we're at a place where
it's unsustainable. Life is being snipped away from many families,
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that lives are being devastated. And then the way that
many folks, very progressive folks are going a direction, are
going in As an example, well, you can steal up
to nine hundred and ninety nine dollars worth for items,
no problem is all good.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
That's a stare to the next crime. And then the
next crime.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And what is it that such a good point. I mean,
something we don't even think about because we always talk
about that gateway drug, but that gateway crime is the same.
And if you are saying one crime is okay, then
you are leading people into a life of crime, and
ultimately that ends oftentimes in murder or it you know,
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it almost always ends in you serving jail time. But
what we're finding is that these kids are going into jail,
they're getting bailed out, and some of them are so young.
That is the crazy part. Let's take a quick commercial break.
We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. When I
was a kid, I was in the I was in
high school in the nineties, and you understood what this
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meant because you lived on the South side of Chicago
and you also lived in Naperville, where I lived. So
I went to high school in Naperville, Illinois, and in my.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Voted number one place to live in America year after year.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
This is what it gets voted.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yes, yes, exactly, So here I am a kid in
the suburbs. Really I and that was exactly what you're
talking about. When you went downtown Chicago, you never even
thought about crime because it wasn't in the city, you know,
so we would go downtown all the time. And our
sociology class said, we're going to do a swap where
you go to Dunbar High School for the day and
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you have a girl that you get paired up with
and then she's going to come to your high school
for the day. And it was such a shocking experience.
We went through metal detectors. And you know, it's funny
because you.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Got to mention what Dumbar is on the South side
of Chicago, and during that time you went there, it
was an even more high crime area. A lot of
gangs were fighting during that period of time. Just to
set the stage for people.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
To understand, right, right, this cannot be more opposite than
where I'm going to high school.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
It is.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Yes, it is crime written we're going through. We are
going through metal detectors because they're trying to keep the
kids safe. This argument that we have every day about oh,
do we want metal detectors at the school. This is
the nineties, and they had metal detectors at their school.
This is before Columbine, before all of that. They have
metal detectors at their school to prevent anybody from bringing
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in a weapon because there is so much fighting. But
I don't even know this because I'm sixteen and I'm
so naive. And we go in and the whole day
was different than anything I'd experienced in my life. The
teacher said, we're going to have an exam. You can't
talk to each other. Everybody has to stay in their seat.
As soon as the exam started, everybody pushed their seat
into a circle just started talking, and the teacher said nothing.
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It was so different than my life experience, and so
that my mind was blown. And then this little girl,
she was super smart. You could tell, you know, you
just have that sense of somebody they're really intelligent. And
she came to my school and she was shocked. She's like,
wh aren't you guys going to just ditch for lunch?
And we're like, no, are you kidding me? You know here,
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I am the little suburban goal. No, we're not leaving
the school. But at lunchtime we talked and I said
to her, you know, what are your plans for after
high school? And it has stuck with me forever what
her answer was. She looked me straight in the eye
and she said, I don't expect to live through high school.
And I could not even comprehend what she said. And
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I remember telling saying to her, why would you say that?
And she said, from the kids, I want to elementary
school with my best my group of best girlfriends. I'm
the only one still alive because every one of them
has been shot.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
That shocked.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
It's I'm telling you. It has stayed with me my
entire life, because I believe what you said in this book.
When I read those words, I was like, yes, but
but this is why this book is so important and
why every politician should read it, because you should be
connected to these people. You should have a personal relationship
with these families to understand that they have been abandoned.
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And it's easy to say. You also talk about victim
shaming here, Oh why was she awake at this time?
And I why was she out? And I think that
was a brinus story that, Oh why why you know,
it's easy to say, we wouldn't have happened to me,
it's their fault. But why are wet? Why do we
say that community is different than ours, so it happens
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there and we're going to look the other way. There
cannot be communities in America that we turn our backs on.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I agree, and that's a good rationale for why you ran,
because you believe that every community counts. And I think
that's such a rare belief when it comes to politicians
these days. The only communities some of them seemingly care
about is wherever their donors live. And that's an unfortunate
reality for so many who expect to have a politician
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that cares about the leases the least of these as
well as the people that are run the big businesses
and do the community organizing or whatever the case may be.
And that's why we need to have a conversation, a
national conversation, because we cannot live in a society where
you cannot feel comfortable walking down.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Your very own streets. I live in Miami, Florida.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
In Miami, Florida, as you're reading the book that Dave,
my brother was murdered, this is the largest big city
in the largest safest big city in America. And by that,
I mean it has the lowest homicide racist the nineteen fifties.
When we go outside in Miami Florida, not looking around
and see if somebody's gonna be shooting us in the
next five minutes, or maybe this guy's coming up behind us.
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People feel free to walk about doing their business. And
I see sometimes girls walking down the street at four
or five in the morning.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Either they're coming from.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
A club or they're going to Pilate's, you know, that's
the distinction, but they feel safe enough to do so.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
In the city of Miami, we need.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
To have policies in place that are one tough on crime,
not soft on crime, one in which exercises and considers
the full weight of what an individual could have experience,
whatever those whatever the context of it is, but still
in all to your point, like this individual that you
were considering in the jury pool, Yeah, they might have
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come from a rough upbringer I did too, but I
did make different decisions.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
We all have to take personal responsibility.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
For the decisions that each of us make as individuals,
even though we do come from a bad set of circumstances,
and I understand that can be contributing factors and that
can be considered by a judge. We do have to
take personal responsibility, and I think that's one of the
most important elements.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
And we can have people that enforces the law barely.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Across the board we can be in a better place
because some of the solutions in this book is just
that simple and forced the law.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
You know, do something wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
The reason you talk about faith, you talk about morality.
James who was the first person you talk about in
the book. He was a strong Muslim. He brought his
faith into what he did. He was a mentor to
a lot of people. And one of the things that
you say is that a lot of these pastors have
said they see a change in their community when there
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is hope, when there is faith. But this is there
have to be houses of worship that are protected, that
are safe to go to. That has to be okay.
There are so many factors. I think it seems like
it's overwhelming at times because you know, if you're here
in Michigan, it's like, well, how do we expect these
kids to get jobs when they can't read and their
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parents can't read, and it's generational that they don't have
enough education to be working because I mean even in
our shop, if you couldn't read, you couldn't run the
work instructions for the job. You know, So oh this
is because of this, But because there are so many
generations that are in this situation that even if you
can get in and you can change the schools, you
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still have to be able to get the bad guys
off the streets. And you've got these progressives coming in
and saying, oh, these people should be let back out
because they have to be able to contribute to society.
But that's never been the way it's been, and it
stinks because it's almost like an entire generation has to
be put. It has to be punished for the severe crimes,
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so that the younger generation can see if you murder,
if you destroy another life, you pay the consequence, and.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You must pay the consequence.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
And you know, I really appreciate what you mentioned in
terms of the point about, you know, young people having religion,
and that was Ian who owns a number of charter
schools throughout New York City, who talked about that for
the students in which he's brought through his classrooms, that
if they had some type of faith, some kind of
religion that he saw them as is the potential of
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being better.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
They're more likely to do well in life. And I
think that's critically important.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
And then that's another thing in terms of the punishment
that you just mentioned for the last since George Floyd.
Punishment hasn't been much of a conversation for a lot
of places.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
They said, we're going to lower the penalty of law
on certain.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Crimes for criminal justice reform efforts, when it's been nothing
but justice for the criminal. When you do that, when
you roll back punishment, who do you think pays the price?
It's not going to be necessarily Tutor living in Naperville
because in Aperville they keep it really tight out there.
The police do their jobs, the mayors are active in
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the community.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's really thriving very much.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
That's another great point about the defund the police movement,
which has been a tragic set of policies that have
been pushed in places like Los Angeles, New York and
New York. Obviously, if this socialist gets in as mayor
of New York, they're going to be in.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
A world of hurt.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I should say word of world of hurt over him
wanting to defund the police and also get rid of jails,
which seems insane, especially in this era. We need strong
leadership and that takes courage, and we have a lot
of elected officials who unfortunately do not have courage to
make the tough decisions. They're thinking about their next re election,
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they're thinking about their donors, they're thinking about special interests.
The special interest you should be thinking about is that
resident down the street, that's a six month old baby
who got murdered.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
That's a special interest.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
You should be thinking about this sixty four year old
woman who was shot and killed. Those are special interests.
Those are the only special interests you should be considered.
But that has not happened in many places. Now we
need to turn the todde and it comes with strong leadership,
people like Pam Bondy getting involved in the Attorney General's office,
who joined the call Well Listitute for Public Safety at
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call Well Listitute dot org on our advisory board when
we first started, Congressman Burgess Owen who joined us, many
other folks who believe in law and order principal leadership. Now,
we can be tough on crime, but we can also,
you know, think about to the point that I raised.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Earlier, right, and that is that's what I'm saying about.
You're plugging one hole. There's so many other holes that
you have to plug. So even if you were to
plug the education hole, you still have the punishment hole.
Even if you plug the punishment hole, you still have
the trauma hole. There's so much that has there's so
many organizations that have to come into these communities to
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really say there's going to be a permanent change here.
Faith is obviously one of them. But I think something
else that fascinated me. And I think because I had
really considered it, because I don't live it, and if
you don't live it, you can't really fix it unless
you read this book. And I believe that sincerely that
if you haven't read the stories, and it is so beautiful,
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beautifully written, I want people to know that too, that
as you read through these stories, that it's so descriptive,
you're really taken into the moment. And you talk about James,
the girl that didn't engage, there were multiple little kids.
I mean we call them teenagers, but just barely. They
were little kids that attacked this man. They were eleven, twelve,
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fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Old, that's right, young teenage, yeap.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
So these are kids, you know. And the one girl
didn't engage, she watched and then you say she she
is taking out the garbage one night, she gets attacked.
And this is a common thing. I had never heard
about this before. Anybody who could potentially be a witness,
suddenly they get killed. She wasn't killed, but she was
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certainly they try to. They shot her in the head.
They tried to kill her. This is to me, that
was another bit of information that I'm like, Okay, So,
how as a community do we step back and say
now that somebody has been hurt and there's a massive
group And we see this in Detroit all the time,
where there's these massive groups that get into these shootouts,
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and sadly in the summertime, like I said, over the weekend,
this happened, and it's a lot of teenagers and oftentimes
the people that hit are women and kids. That's the
crazy part about it. The people that get shot in
these shootouts seem to always be women and children. But
what I hadn't considered is that even James's family was
in danger. They said they were constantly. Yes, she's constantly
(26:44):
looking over her shoulder. They have people casing their homes
and warning them if you keep this up, if you
keep trying to find out who killed him, your next
and you've said you've never had justice, They've never found
the killer of your brother.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
No, that's absolutely correct. I haven't had justice, but I'm
still seeking it. And Tanya, which is james niece, who's
been fighting for justice for him. I can share this
because some of those kids didn't get prosecuted because there
were kids well. I talked to Tanya the other day
and she says that they're looking to prosecute some of
(27:19):
those quote unquote kids that didn't get prosecuted before for
her uncle's murder. So I'm very happy for her that
she can perhaps get the justice that she needs.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
And in my case, we're still fighting. And the truth
of the matter is we.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Had a found out from the detective on the case
that the FBI got involved because there was an individual
and the rolls my mall, that was doing something he
shouldn't have been doing and the police ended up arresting
him and he had the murder weapon on him that
murdered my little brother. And this individual, this individual hasn't
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spoken about my brother's murder because he's apparently under investigation
for something that may give him life now. As I
mentioned in the book, there was three to four men
that got out of a black suv on June twenty
four and they shot multiple people that they including my brother.
And my brother was not the target, So there's other
people out there in addition to the guy that the
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Feds actually have, that may have information. So we're still
seeking out information three years later, and I won't stop fighting.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
That's the thing this has been.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
To my conversation with doctor Drew in the book, I said,
how do I get beyond the pain of this? And
he said, I'm sorry to tell you, but you don't.
The best thing you can do is to do something
that's going to further your brother's legacy. And that's when
I established the call On Institute for Public Safety because
me working on something, me helping other people makes me
feel empowered and not powerless over my brother's murder. I
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can only do my part. It's a small part. The
book is part of it. It's a blueprint, I think,
not just for victim families, but what to do because
violent crime can impact and any and all of us,
and unfortunately has impacted my family. And the truth of
the matter is, you know, I'm I'm a Republican. I'm
a conservative. I've been a conservative for almost twenty five
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years now. A lot of my colleagues are peers and oppressed.
They have never met somebody who actually has had to
deal with this, And this is kind of a new
light for a lot of people because these are people
that know me personally and have known me for years
and have been in the political circles and on the
trail and been on television with So for them it's
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kind of like, wow.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
This this happened to you.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
It just kind of opens everyone us because it can
happen to literally any one of us if we don't
do something about it.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Now, let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next
on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. And speaking of faith, I
mean God has blessed you with this ability to talk
to people with this, these connections on television. And I
don't think that God causes tragedy, but I think he
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uses people who have gone through tragedy to shine a
light where a light has not been shown. And this
is darkness. All of these situations, every story that you
describe in your book, you are bringing light to a
darkness in a way only God blessed you to be
able to do that. And that I think, and you
know that to know God and to be able to
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share that is half the battle.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I absolutely love what you just said, and you are
absolutely so spot on with what you just said, and
even mentioned in the book how my grandmother was talking
about my brother's murder as if you know, God caused
it or somehow, and I absolutely disagree with that, And
if you have read that part, I push back on it.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
She can have her own feelings on that.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
But God absolutely is using this tragedy for the betterment
of all. That's so spot on, and a lot of
people don't get that that A lot of people say,
you know, as they never experienced it, and they're trying
to be helpful and they're trying to say something that's
going to relieve it and say God has took him
away or God, you know, he's happen when a.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
God needed him in heaven.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
When I believe it was Satanist stole them, it wasn't God.
But now God has an opportunity to speak through me
to make his life his legacy, Christian, my baby brother
means something much greater than what he could have ever imagined,
in that sense that his life would mean saving other
people's lives. And if that is what it is, I'm
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honored to be a voice in that fight because we
need to ensure that everyone can live in safety and security.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And as an elected.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Official, that is the number one consideration you should have
is making sure that people feel safe.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
We need to be out and joining our lives.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
We need to have an America that's thriving, that's prosperous.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
That we can deal with.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
These is choose these very real issues that plague our
country and have been plaguing our country for years.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
But we do something about it, not just talk about it.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Actually, yeah, God, God doesn't bring darkness. Sin brings darkness.
Sin took him away. And God will help you to
glorify him and glorify his name and bring people to
Jesus through this. And that is that is the way
that I think, that is the way so many Christians
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heal is to take their journey and share it with
the rest of the world. And you have this microphone
that no one else has. It is it is just
so amazing, And I do I look at it this way.
When I look at the bad things that have happened
through my life, I'm like, Okay, I have been prepared
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for this, and it wasn't that God expected that to happen.
Like when I got cancer, do I think that God
gave me that No, but in my journey since he
has given me so much power to tell to other
cancer survivors, and he said, Okay, you have a gift,
you can speak, I will, I will help you through
this journey. And I think that you have that same gift.
You're able to talk to people. So I want people
(33:11):
to go get this book. I want them to share
in what you've been able to bring to light and
bring a light to these areas as well. So this
book it is called The Day My Brother was Murdered,
My journey through America's violent crime crisis. Where can they
get it? How do they join in your journey to
bring light to these communities?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Well, thank you again for having me.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
You can get it on Amazon, Walmart, Target, wherever your
books are sold. Please follow us connect with us at
call Well Institute dot org. As we fight back against
Jewisovice fund that progressive prosecutors, I call them political prosecutors.
We're additionally expanding out to miuror races and gubernatorial We
have a foundation, a call Well Foundation for Public Safety
(33:55):
at call Well Safety dot org. And certainly follow me
on social media Instagram, Twitter, Facebook at Giano Caldwell and
Gia Nno Caldwell c a ldwe Ll.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Thank you so so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
This has been such a refreshing conversation and they hear
that you've dug into the book.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
And recalling some of these stories.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I really really appreciate you really taking a sincere interest
in what I've written.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Oh my gosh, I mean, I'm telling you it's kind
of it's people. A lot of times people write books
and you kind of have to suffer through them to
be honest, but this is not that. I mean, you
get in and it's like, wow, these are the stories
you hear on the news that you don't get the
backstory too, and that you can quickly move on from
until you really go, Okay, this is America. Because we
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think of America as the white picket fence too often,
This is America. This is America too, and we need
to hear about it, and you are shining a light.
So thank you Gianno Caldwell, Thank you so much for
being on today.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Thank you so much. I really appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Thank you, and thank you all for listening to the
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Hey, everyone, Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm sure
you have all seen Gianno Caldwell out there. He is
an analyst on Fox News.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
But one of the.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Things that you've probably seen him talking about is his
brother who was murdered on the streets of Chicago, and
he became the founder of the Caldwell Institute for Public Safety.
It's a nonprofit that is dedicated to ensuring a justice
system that prioritizes the safety and security of all law
abiding citizens. He has written a book and it is
(00:30):
an amazing book and I am here to talk to
you about it today with the man himself. The book
is called The Day My Brother Was Murdered, My Journey
through America's Violent Crime Crisis. Giano, thank you so much
for joining me and talking about this.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Absolutely, thank you. I really enjoy your commentary and your works,
so thank.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You for having me. Well.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I appreciate that I was reading through this and this
is a book that we have needed for so long,
and it makes me it breaks my heart that it
comes out of your pain of losing your eighteen year
old brother, Christian. It's a story that we have heard
so so so many times. I mean, we heard it
in Detroit over the weekend, and it makes me tear
(01:11):
up to think about this. But a drive by shooting
in Detroit, a four year old boy shot in the
back and killed, and his mother is out there with
her five or six children. I think he was the
youngest of six, and all of her children watched her
youngest son murdered out in broad daylight playing at the park.
(01:34):
Your book covers this so well. I don't know if
that's the right way to say that. Oh my gosh,
tell us a little bit about you, how you decided
you had to follow these people's stories, because it's not
just your brother's story. And yes, it's a story of
many people.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yes, yes, and again, thank you for having me. I'm
honored to be here to discuss this with you. On
June twenty fourth, twenty twenty two, my life changed forever well.
My innocent, teenage baby brother, Christian, was murdered in Chicago,
and since then I've been out for justice, not just
for him, but other families as well who have experienced
the same tragedy. And that's when I established the Caldwell
(02:13):
Institute for Public Safety at Calwell Institute dot org.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Please support our efforts there.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
You know this book itself, the day my brother was murdered,
my journey through America violence crime, violent crime crisis, as
I've been attempting to aggrieve my brother's death, which I
really have, and I've been focused on justice for him,
which has been the fueling of my efforts.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I look back at that day.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Over one hundred and fifty people were murdered that day
across the nation. People like that day that day, and
I got to tell you, I wanted to write about
that day, not just about my brother, but I chose
eight other families, so total of nine. People like James
from Philadelphia, who was an Army veteran who had PTSD
(03:00):
so we oftentimes couldn't sleep, so he would go to
the park at one or two in the morning. And
on June twenty fourth, he went to the park and
there was some teenagers in that park and some kids
that were younger than teenage, and he said to them,
what are you all doing out here? You need to
go home, and they end up beating him to death
with the traffic home. His name is James or Cat.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
That's that story. I just want to stop for a
second because the impact of that story on me, and
I'm sure on many people when they read it, is
how the community had changed, because you go through so
many times. He was like a mentor. He was somebody
that everybody saw as a father figure or an uncle
figure that in the past, kids on the street, no
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matter what time of night it was, would have known
who he was and would have loved him and had
enough respect for the community. And there was no this
was just a senseless murder. There's this wasn't like a fight.
He was asking about their welfare, really, and they just
brutally beat him to death.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
And the truth of the matter is, when I was
growing up, if any adult said hey, you should be
going home, everyone would leave the park, almost like it
was the police and themselves saying go home. But in
this case, those kids didn't listen, and in this case,
lives have been devastated in their wake of their actions.
Or people like Catherine, who was a wife, a mother,
(04:26):
a grandmother, sixty four years old, who was a chemical
engineer going home in Texas when a drug deal went bad,
the guy that was selling the drugs was trying to
rip off the guy that was buying the drugs, and
vice versa. A shootout takes place on the highway in
Texas and she ends up losing her life and her
family lost the beacon of hope for their own family.
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Or baby Cecilia in Chicago, who was five months old,
four days from her six month birthday. She's in a
car with her parents, her mom and dad up front
and her three year old brother in the back seat
when they thought they heard fireworks and then the three
year old brother said that his sister was bleeding.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
She was murdered shot.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
These are the stories that are absolutely tragic and heartbreaking.
There's many of them, but we already know how bad
it is. We read the newspapers every day, we see
it on TV. We know that there's been a crisis
in many cities, especially the very liberal ones. So I
wanted to think about how can I bring about solutions
to this problem. So I talk to people like John
Walsh from America's Most Wanted, or doctor Drew Pinsk on
(05:35):
the mental health crisis that has impacted our country and
its contributions to crime. Or Sean Hannity on the politics
of it all, or doctor Bill Winston. My pastor from
Chicago has a twenty thousand member church we've talked to
educators because there's solutions to these issues and we need
to explore it. We need to speak out, we need
to be very direct about it. And the reason why
(05:57):
for a lot of people, which oftentimes when the issues
would come up, it would say, oh, that's just those
those folks over their problem, that's not our issue, that's
their problem. Well, the truth of the matter is me myself.
I had to learn the very hard way. Any of
these things can happen to someone in your very own family.
So it's time for us to unite as a community,
as a country and say enough is enough, period.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And uniting it, I think is the key here because
even what you're doing that is it's plugging one hole,
but there's so many holes. I mean, if I just
look at Malik's story, what an interesting story. He goes
to school that specializes in trauma because look at these kids,
they're dealing with trauma all the time, every day. I mean,
the little boy who watched his sister get shot in
(06:43):
the head, now he's dealing with trauma. This is a
society where kids they experience one trauma after another. And
Malik is in this high school. It's super successful. They
have a great graduation rate. These kids are going to college.
Six days after he graduates, he gets killed.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, that's right, that's right, and to that point, and
that's such a heartbreaking story. To that point, Doctor Drew
even spoke on within the book you Can Get the
day my brother was murdered.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
He spoke about how the trauma has real impact.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
On our daily lives and also the decision that some
of these children will make in the future. A lot
of folks in these neighborhoods have become numb to the
murderers of different people because they see it all the time.
You know, I know, you have a bunch of stories
you can tell about people you know, and you've had
personal experiences as well. But the thing is there happened
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so much in these left leaning cities where progressives run it,
liberal democrats run it. And I'm not saying it doesn't
happen all over the nation, because it does. But there
are certain areas where soft on client policies flourish, where
George Forwards funded prosecutors. I call them political prosecutors because
that's how they act. They don't care about the nature
(07:54):
of the society and the residents in which they're supposed
to serve for their protection.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
They care about the politics.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Of it all, and that's where it's become a major
issue in American society, and that's where things absolutely need
to change.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
So that's what as I'm reading through this book, and
I want people to know that this book, I know
it sounds like we're telling you a lot of horrible stories,
but you are actually stepping into a lot of the
discussions that you see on TV every single day, and
you're not getting that full, well rounded discussion of one side.
And a lot of times this is a political argument.
(08:30):
You've got one side saying no cash bailed, on the
other side saying we've got to lock up people who
are bad, and you have in the background this constant
regurgitation of trauma in these kids' lives, and everybody's stepping
aside and exactly what you're saying saying, you know what,
that's not my neighborhood. But I believe if we pass
(08:52):
this law or this law, then maybe something will happen.
But there's so much value in what you say in
this book because you talk about faith, and no matter
what faith it is, faith in communities, it changes people
gives them hope, it gives them a reason to live.
And I will share with you one of the reasons
that I decided to run for governor in the state
(09:13):
of Michigan, and that is so when I moved up
to Michigan, I live in an area where part of
the county that I live in has a high crime area.
And so I was called to jury duty one day,
and the jury duty was for two guys who had
broken into somebody's house and stole It was a marijuana crime.
(09:35):
They stole marijuana. They had beaten the guys over the
head with guns. And the question is was it gons?
Was it not guns? And I remember these these guys
were one was twenty eight when the other was twenty seven.
Each of them had over four kids. They were going
to go to jail for thirty years. We didn't know
(09:55):
this at the time as we're trying to decide what
the issue is here. But when I left, I had
a police officer walk me out to the car and
he said, I could tell this really bothered you. And
I said, yeah, because I want to know that we
really knew they had weapons. That was the question, you know,
did they really have them? And so one other girl
(10:16):
and me we were going through this and saying, you know,
I want proof. I want to know. It's really hard
when you're in that jury box with twelve people, you know.
And he said you should know. And this has also
stuck with me. You should know. These guys never had
a chance. The one guy's uncle is a cop killer.
The other guy's dad is a cop killer. They were
set up. They were never going to be good guys.
(10:39):
They were always going to end up in jail. And
I was like, no, that cannot be the way we
look at this, you know. But it was just accept it,
and that to me what you say in this book.
I actually marked the page because I thought it was
because you say, if all if a thousand white kids
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were killed in Chicago in a single year, would something change?
And that was exactly what I thought. This guy is
like these guys never had a chance. Ignore it. But
if they were white, would he have felt differently? I
mean it, really, it is like a scar on my soul.
I think about it all the time. Why do we
(11:21):
just ignore this? And no matter what it is, every
politician is ignoring it because the crime is segregated. The
murders are segregated.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
More often than not. That is very true.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
But I think about in the city of Chicago, in
which I grew up, and we had one of the
most thriving downtowns. I think it's honestly, just from the
look of it is. I've been on every continent but Antarctica.
This is the best looking downtown I've ever seen in
the world. And I've been all over the world. But
the truth of the matter is the city has collapsed.
(11:53):
And we used to think that if crime came downtown
that the mayor and everybody else would be up and
arm and they would say, no, you can't do this here,
cops everywhere.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
But the truth is people are robbing people in Lincoln Park.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Now they're doing shootouts across the street from city Hall.
I had a press conference in front of the Chicago
Police headquarters about I think maybe a year or two ago,
and it was for Murdered Victims Day or something like that.
Congress designated to day. I think it was Murdered Victims
Day or something like that. So I've brought together a
(12:27):
group of victims of aolan crime. They had family members
that were murdered, and we want to speak very directly
to the Chicago politicians. And I will never forget the
person who told me, listen, you got to be very
careful out here. And of course I'm from Chicago, I
lived on the South Side. I know you have to
be very careful. But I said, we're in front of
the Chicago Police headquarters. We'll be fine. They said, no,
(12:49):
there's been multiple shootouts in front of the Chicago Police headquarters.
What in front of the Chicago Police headquarters?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
So at what point?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
At what point do people say enough is truly enough?
And I think that's the conversation that we must have.
And that was why it was so important for me
to write The Day my brother was murdered, my journey
through Americas whilent crime crisis, because I feel like in
many places around the country, we're at a place where
it's unsustainable. Life is being snipped away from many families,
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that lives are being devastated. And then the way that
many folks, very progressive folks are going a direction, are
going in As an example, well, you can steal up
to nine hundred and ninety nine dollars worth for items,
no problem is all good.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
That's a stare to the next crime. And then the
next crime.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And what is it that such a good point. I mean,
something we don't even think about because we always talk
about that gateway drug, but that gateway crime is the same.
And if you are saying one crime is okay, then
you are leading people into a life of crime, and
ultimately that ends oftentimes in murder or it you know,
(14:00):
it almost always ends in you serving jail time. But
what we're finding is that these kids are going into jail,
they're getting bailed out, and some of them are so young.
That is the crazy part. Let's take a quick commercial break.
We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. When I
was a kid, I was in the I was in
high school in the nineties, and you understood what this
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meant because you lived on the South side of Chicago
and you also lived in Naperville, where I lived. So
I went to high school in Naperville, Illinois, and in my.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Voted number one place to live in America year after year.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
This is what it gets voted.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yes, yes, exactly, So here I am a kid in
the suburbs. Really I and that was exactly what you're
talking about. When you went downtown Chicago, you never even
thought about crime because it wasn't in the city, you know,
so we would go downtown all the time. And our
sociology class said, we're going to do a swap where
you go to Dunbar High School for the day and
(15:01):
you have a girl that you get paired up with
and then she's going to come to your high school
for the day. And it was such a shocking experience.
We went through metal detectors. And you know, it's funny
because you.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Got to mention what Dumbar is on the South side
of Chicago, and during that time you went there, it
was an even more high crime area. A lot of
gangs were fighting during that period of time. Just to
set the stage for people.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
To understand, right, right, this cannot be more opposite than
where I'm going to high school.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
It is.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Yes, it is crime written we're going through. We are
going through metal detectors because they're trying to keep the
kids safe. This argument that we have every day about oh,
do we want metal detectors at the school. This is
the nineties, and they had metal detectors at their school.
This is before Columbine, before all of that. They have
metal detectors at their school to prevent anybody from bringing
(15:51):
in a weapon because there is so much fighting. But
I don't even know this because I'm sixteen and I'm
so naive. And we go in and the whole day
was different than anything I'd experienced in my life. The
teacher said, we're going to have an exam. You can't
talk to each other. Everybody has to stay in their seat.
As soon as the exam started, everybody pushed their seat
into a circle just started talking, and the teacher said nothing.
(16:13):
It was so different than my life experience, and so
that my mind was blown. And then this little girl,
she was super smart. You could tell, you know, you
just have that sense of somebody they're really intelligent. And
she came to my school and she was shocked. She's like,
wh aren't you guys going to just ditch for lunch?
And we're like, no, are you kidding me? You know here,
(16:35):
I am the little suburban goal. No, we're not leaving
the school. But at lunchtime we talked and I said
to her, you know, what are your plans for after
high school? And it has stuck with me forever what
her answer was. She looked me straight in the eye
and she said, I don't expect to live through high school.
And I could not even comprehend what she said. And
(16:55):
I remember telling saying to her, why would you say that?
And she said, from the kids, I want to elementary
school with my best my group of best girlfriends. I'm
the only one still alive because every one of them
has been shot.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
That shocked.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
It's I'm telling you. It has stayed with me my
entire life, because I believe what you said in this book.
When I read those words, I was like, yes, but
but this is why this book is so important and
why every politician should read it, because you should be
connected to these people. You should have a personal relationship
with these families to understand that they have been abandoned.
(17:32):
And it's easy to say. You also talk about victim
shaming here, Oh why was she awake at this time?
And I why was she out? And I think that
was a brinus story that, Oh why why you know,
it's easy to say, we wouldn't have happened to me,
it's their fault. But why are wet? Why do we
say that community is different than ours, so it happens
(17:55):
there and we're going to look the other way. There
cannot be communities in America that we turn our backs on.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I agree, and that's a good rationale for why you ran,
because you believe that every community counts. And I think
that's such a rare belief when it comes to politicians
these days. The only communities some of them seemingly care
about is wherever their donors live. And that's an unfortunate
reality for so many who expect to have a politician
(18:22):
that cares about the leases the least of these as
well as the people that are run the big businesses
and do the community organizing or whatever the case may be.
And that's why we need to have a conversation, a
national conversation, because we cannot live in a society where
you cannot feel comfortable walking down.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Your very own streets. I live in Miami, Florida.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
In Miami, Florida, as you're reading the book that Dave,
my brother was murdered, this is the largest big city
in the largest safest big city in America. And by that,
I mean it has the lowest homicide racist the nineteen fifties.
When we go outside in Miami Florida, not looking around
and see if somebody's gonna be shooting us in the
next five minutes, or maybe this guy's coming up behind us.
(19:06):
People feel free to walk about doing their business. And
I see sometimes girls walking down the street at four
or five in the morning.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Either they're coming from.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
A club or they're going to Pilate's, you know, that's
the distinction, but they feel safe enough to do so.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
In the city of Miami, we need.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
To have policies in place that are one tough on crime,
not soft on crime, one in which exercises and considers
the full weight of what an individual could have experience,
whatever those whatever the context of it is, but still
in all to your point, like this individual that you
were considering in the jury pool, Yeah, they might have
(19:44):
come from a rough upbringer I did too, but I
did make different decisions.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
We all have to take personal responsibility.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
For the decisions that each of us make as individuals,
even though we do come from a bad set of circumstances,
and I understand that can be contributing factors and that
can be considered by a judge. We do have to
take personal responsibility, and I think that's one of the
most important elements.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
And we can have people that enforces the law barely.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Across the board we can be in a better place
because some of the solutions in this book is just
that simple and forced the law.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
You know, do something wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
The reason you talk about faith, you talk about morality.
James who was the first person you talk about in
the book. He was a strong Muslim. He brought his
faith into what he did. He was a mentor to
a lot of people. And one of the things that
you say is that a lot of these pastors have
said they see a change in their community when there
(20:40):
is hope, when there is faith. But this is there
have to be houses of worship that are protected, that
are safe to go to. That has to be okay.
There are so many factors. I think it seems like
it's overwhelming at times because you know, if you're here
in Michigan, it's like, well, how do we expect these
kids to get jobs when they can't read and their
(21:02):
parents can't read, and it's generational that they don't have
enough education to be working because I mean even in
our shop, if you couldn't read, you couldn't run the
work instructions for the job. You know, So oh this
is because of this, But because there are so many
generations that are in this situation that even if you
can get in and you can change the schools, you
(21:24):
still have to be able to get the bad guys
off the streets. And you've got these progressives coming in
and saying, oh, these people should be let back out
because they have to be able to contribute to society.
But that's never been the way it's been, and it
stinks because it's almost like an entire generation has to
be put. It has to be punished for the severe crimes,
(21:47):
so that the younger generation can see if you murder,
if you destroy another life, you pay the consequence, and.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You must pay the consequence.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
And you know, I really appreciate what you mentioned in
terms of the point about, you know, young people having religion,
and that was Ian who owns a number of charter
schools throughout New York City, who talked about that for
the students in which he's brought through his classrooms, that
if they had some type of faith, some kind of
religion that he saw them as is the potential of
(22:17):
being better.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
They're more likely to do well in life. And I
think that's critically important.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
And then that's another thing in terms of the punishment
that you just mentioned for the last since George Floyd.
Punishment hasn't been much of a conversation for a lot
of places.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
They said, we're going to lower the penalty of law
on certain.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Crimes for criminal justice reform efforts, when it's been nothing
but justice for the criminal. When you do that, when
you roll back punishment, who do you think pays the price?
It's not going to be necessarily Tutor living in Naperville
because in Aperville they keep it really tight out there.
The police do their jobs, the mayors are active in
(22:57):
the community.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's really thriving very much.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
That's another great point about the defund the police movement,
which has been a tragic set of policies that have
been pushed in places like Los Angeles, New York and
New York. Obviously, if this socialist gets in as mayor
of New York, they're going to be in.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
A world of hurt.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I should say word of world of hurt over him
wanting to defund the police and also get rid of jails,
which seems insane, especially in this era. We need strong
leadership and that takes courage, and we have a lot
of elected officials who unfortunately do not have courage to
make the tough decisions. They're thinking about their next re election,
(23:40):
they're thinking about their donors, they're thinking about special interests.
The special interest you should be thinking about is that
resident down the street, that's a six month old baby
who got murdered.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
That's a special interest.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
You should be thinking about this sixty four year old
woman who was shot and killed. Those are special interests.
Those are the only special interests you should be considered.
But that has not happened in many places. Now we
need to turn the todde and it comes with strong leadership,
people like Pam Bondy getting involved in the Attorney General's office,
who joined the call Well Listitute for Public Safety at
(24:12):
call Well Listitute dot org on our advisory board when
we first started, Congressman Burgess Owen who joined us, many
other folks who believe in law and order principal leadership. Now,
we can be tough on crime, but we can also,
you know, think about to the point that I raised.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Earlier, right, and that is that's what I'm saying about.
You're plugging one hole. There's so many other holes that
you have to plug. So even if you were to
plug the education hole, you still have the punishment hole.
Even if you plug the punishment hole, you still have
the trauma hole. There's so much that has there's so
many organizations that have to come into these communities to
(24:50):
really say there's going to be a permanent change here.
Faith is obviously one of them. But I think something
else that fascinated me. And I think because I had
really considered it, because I don't live it, and if
you don't live it, you can't really fix it unless
you read this book. And I believe that sincerely that
if you haven't read the stories, and it is so beautiful,
(25:12):
beautifully written, I want people to know that too, that
as you read through these stories, that it's so descriptive,
you're really taken into the moment. And you talk about James,
the girl that didn't engage, there were multiple little kids.
I mean we call them teenagers, but just barely. They
were little kids that attacked this man. They were eleven, twelve,
(25:35):
fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Old, that's right, young teenage, yeap.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
So these are kids, you know. And the one girl
didn't engage, she watched and then you say she she
is taking out the garbage one night, she gets attacked.
And this is a common thing. I had never heard
about this before. Anybody who could potentially be a witness,
suddenly they get killed. She wasn't killed, but she was
(25:58):
certainly they try to. They shot her in the head.
They tried to kill her. This is to me, that
was another bit of information that I'm like, Okay, So,
how as a community do we step back and say
now that somebody has been hurt and there's a massive
group And we see this in Detroit all the time,
where there's these massive groups that get into these shootouts,
(26:19):
and sadly in the summertime, like I said, over the weekend,
this happened, and it's a lot of teenagers and oftentimes
the people that hit are women and kids. That's the
crazy part about it. The people that get shot in
these shootouts seem to always be women and children. But
what I hadn't considered is that even James's family was
in danger. They said they were constantly. Yes, she's constantly
(26:44):
looking over her shoulder. They have people casing their homes
and warning them if you keep this up, if you
keep trying to find out who killed him, your next
and you've said you've never had justice, They've never found
the killer of your brother.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
No, that's absolutely correct. I haven't had justice, but I'm
still seeking it. And Tanya, which is james niece, who's
been fighting for justice for him. I can share this
because some of those kids didn't get prosecuted because there
were kids well. I talked to Tanya the other day
and she says that they're looking to prosecute some of
(27:19):
those quote unquote kids that didn't get prosecuted before for
her uncle's murder. So I'm very happy for her that
she can perhaps get the justice that she needs.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
And in my case, we're still fighting. And the truth
of the matter is we.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Had a found out from the detective on the case
that the FBI got involved because there was an individual
and the rolls my mall, that was doing something he
shouldn't have been doing and the police ended up arresting
him and he had the murder weapon on him that
murdered my little brother. And this individual, this individual hasn't
(27:55):
spoken about my brother's murder because he's apparently under investigation
for something that may give him life now. As I
mentioned in the book, there was three to four men
that got out of a black suv on June twenty
four and they shot multiple people that they including my brother.
And my brother was not the target, So there's other
people out there in addition to the guy that the
(28:15):
Feds actually have, that may have information. So we're still
seeking out information three years later, and I won't stop fighting.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
That's the thing this has been.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
To my conversation with doctor Drew in the book, I said,
how do I get beyond the pain of this? And
he said, I'm sorry to tell you, but you don't.
The best thing you can do is to do something
that's going to further your brother's legacy. And that's when
I established the call On Institute for Public Safety because
me working on something, me helping other people makes me
feel empowered and not powerless over my brother's murder. I
(28:50):
can only do my part. It's a small part. The
book is part of it. It's a blueprint, I think,
not just for victim families, but what to do because
violent crime can impact and any and all of us,
and unfortunately has impacted my family. And the truth of
the matter is, you know, I'm I'm a Republican. I'm
a conservative. I've been a conservative for almost twenty five
(29:10):
years now. A lot of my colleagues are peers and oppressed.
They have never met somebody who actually has had to
deal with this, And this is kind of a new
light for a lot of people because these are people
that know me personally and have known me for years
and have been in the political circles and on the
trail and been on television with So for them it's
(29:34):
kind of like, wow.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
This this happened to you.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
It just kind of opens everyone us because it can
happen to literally any one of us if we don't
do something about it.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Now, let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next
on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. And speaking of faith, I
mean God has blessed you with this ability to talk
to people with this, these connections on television. And I
don't think that God causes tragedy, but I think he
(30:06):
uses people who have gone through tragedy to shine a
light where a light has not been shown. And this
is darkness. All of these situations, every story that you
describe in your book, you are bringing light to a
darkness in a way only God blessed you to be
able to do that. And that I think, and you
know that to know God and to be able to
(30:29):
share that is half the battle.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I absolutely love what you just said, and you are
absolutely so spot on with what you just said, and
even mentioned in the book how my grandmother was talking
about my brother's murder as if you know, God caused
it or somehow, and I absolutely disagree with that, And
if you have read that part, I push back on it.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
She can have her own feelings on that.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
But God absolutely is using this tragedy for the betterment
of all. That's so spot on, and a lot of
people don't get that that A lot of people say,
you know, as they never experienced it, and they're trying
to be helpful and they're trying to say something that's
going to relieve it and say God has took him
away or God, you know, he's happen when a.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
God needed him in heaven.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
When I believe it was Satanist stole them, it wasn't God.
But now God has an opportunity to speak through me
to make his life his legacy, Christian, my baby brother
means something much greater than what he could have ever imagined,
in that sense that his life would mean saving other
people's lives. And if that is what it is, I'm
(31:39):
honored to be a voice in that fight because we
need to ensure that everyone can live in safety and security.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And as an elected.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Official, that is the number one consideration you should have
is making sure that people feel safe.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
We need to be out and joining our lives.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
We need to have an America that's thriving, that's prosperous.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
That we can deal with.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
These is choose these very real issues that plague our
country and have been plaguing our country for years.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
But we do something about it, not just talk about it.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Actually, yeah, God, God doesn't bring darkness. Sin brings darkness.
Sin took him away. And God will help you to
glorify him and glorify his name and bring people to
Jesus through this. And that is that is the way
that I think, that is the way so many Christians
(32:28):
heal is to take their journey and share it with
the rest of the world. And you have this microphone
that no one else has. It is it is just
so amazing, And I do I look at it this way.
When I look at the bad things that have happened
through my life, I'm like, Okay, I have been prepared
(32:48):
for this, and it wasn't that God expected that to happen.
Like when I got cancer, do I think that God
gave me that No, but in my journey since he
has given me so much power to tell to other
cancer survivors, and he said, Okay, you have a gift,
you can speak, I will, I will help you through
this journey. And I think that you have that same gift.
You're able to talk to people. So I want people
(33:11):
to go get this book. I want them to share
in what you've been able to bring to light and
bring a light to these areas as well. So this
book it is called The Day My Brother was Murdered,
My journey through America's violent crime crisis. Where can they
get it? How do they join in your journey to
bring light to these communities?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Well, thank you again for having me.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
You can get it on Amazon, Walmart, Target, wherever your
books are sold. Please follow us connect with us at
call Well Institute dot org. As we fight back against
Jewisovice fund that progressive prosecutors, I call them political prosecutors.
We're additionally expanding out to miuror races and gubernatorial We
have a foundation, a call Well Foundation for Public Safety
(33:55):
at call Well Safety dot org. And certainly follow me
on social media Instagram, Twitter, Facebook at Giano Caldwell and
Gia Nno Caldwell c a ldwe Ll.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Thank you so so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
This has been such a refreshing conversation and they hear
that you've dug into the book.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
And recalling some of these stories.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I really really appreciate you really taking a sincere interest
in what I've written.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Oh my gosh, I mean, I'm telling you it's kind
of it's people. A lot of times people write books
and you kind of have to suffer through them to
be honest, but this is not that. I mean, you
get in and it's like, wow, these are the stories
you hear on the news that you don't get the
backstory too, and that you can quickly move on from
until you really go, Okay, this is America. Because we
(34:45):
think of America as the white picket fence too often,
This is America. This is America too, and we need
to hear about it, and you are shining a light.
So thank you Gianno Caldwell, Thank you so much for
being on today.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Thank you so much. I really appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Thank you, and thank you all for listening to the
Tutor Dixon Podcast as always for this episode and others
go to Tutor diisonpodcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts, and you can always
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you so much and have a bleas day
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