In this episode, Tudor interviews Detroit-based reporter Sam Robinson, who discusses the importance of community representation, local issues, and the political dynamics in Michigan. They explore economic concerns, particularly in the auto industry, and the regulatory challenges that affect community development. Sam shares insights on the future of Detroit, the role of local journalism, and the need for political authenticity in campaigning. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So today we are
kind of turning the tables. It could be fun, it
could be a total disaster. I'm not sure what to
expect because today I am bringing a Detroit based reporter
into my podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
His name is Sam Robinson.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
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about what is good for your community, what your community needs,
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lot of respect for what you do, and that's why
you You actually reached out to me, and I was like, Hey,
how about you come on and I interview you. And
I don't know what you thought about that, but I'm
glad you said yes.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yes, I didn't even hesitate, did I really? No, No,
I talked to everyone. I uh, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Appreciate you for bringing me on and being willing to, uh,
you know, have this sort of long form discussion. You
were willing to have it with us when you were
a gobernatorial candidate back a couple of years back. I remember, uh,
you know, covering you asking questions. You know, you weren't
afraid to go where the tough questions were with Beth
(02:26):
LeBlanc or Craig Mauger at the News. So, you know,
kudos to you. Everyone in the press corps seemed to
the consensus was, you know, Tutor, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
She's a care she's a she's she's.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Willing to take our heart and tough and sometimes repeat
over and over and over again questions questions that you
know people, was this the issue that that people cared about?
I think when you talk about issues, whether it's in
ben Harbor, Kalamazoo, Flint, Midland, Saginaw, Detroit, Ann Arbor, you
(03:01):
know they talk about kitchen table.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
They say that phrase for a reason.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
And actually before we started recording, I was talking to
you about your hometown right now is not represented by
a state senator. The governor is supposed to call a
special election, but she hasn't done that yet. And I said,
how do you feel about that? And you were like,
you know, I don't think people there even realize. And
that was such a good point because when you talk
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about kitchen table issues, people hear that term and they're like,
what does that actually mean? I mean, people in Michigan
want to know about jobs, they want to know about
the economy. They want to figure out what's going to
happen to bring those that money back into their own household.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
It's not about the bigger picture, I think, no.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I mean, I just think that even when you get
down to the arguments in the legislature, a lot of
the issues that we know that you know, lawmakers know
that they will need to pass once that deadline hits,
they pass it. You know, we haven't had a governor
shut down in Michigan sometimes. I mean, we'll see that
this year with this upcoming state budget. But it's really interesting,
(04:09):
you know, I think Matt Hall is a different kind
of leader than we from Joe Tate a few months.
Detroit's Joe Tate. He's a state rep in the first
ever black House speaker. A lot of Democrats are looking
back at that and wishing that they had a different
House speaker.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
But you say that, and I think, let me explain
a little bit about why I think you're saying that.
I think at the end of not a lot happened.
Not a lot of bills were passed during his time there.
I think he faced a few challenges. He had a
tie in the House for a while, so during his
tenure he didn't have exactly the opportunity that people might
have thought he had. But then at the end it
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was sort of a everything kind of exploded and there
were these what is it, it's nine bills, right that didn't
go to the governor.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yes, yeah, it was nine bill that were supposed to
be sent to the governor to be signed that just
didn't somehow end up getting sent. You know, current court
battles are playing out to see whether or not those.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Are going to be assigned and sent to the governor.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
But it's it's a really, you know, interesting thing that
happened that Detroitter's were watching along where we had our
Karen Witset State representative. She covers the west side of
the city side with Matt Hall, really trash and disparage
Joe Tait, who she hadn't had a reason to do
do that before this lame Duck session. She was, you know,
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going for her own sort of Detroit agenda.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I think that there's there is.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
You know, it's interesting because I was watching this happening obviously,
and I think for it's that same thing that you
just were talking about. People are concerned about their own
personal life situation and they're like, I don't care about this.
So she was kind of fighting on a few different fronts,
I think water and then wanting to lower the cost
of water for Detroit for people in her district.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
And then also this restaurant bill.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So in Michigan, this bill passed that people are gonna
the restaurants will have to pay minimum wage instead of
the tipped wage, and then the tipped wage they think
will go away. And there were a lot of there
are a lot of restaurants that are very upset about
this because it increases their cost and their servers are
sometimes getting less money. So we actually had a group
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of restaurants on our side of the state that brought
in five legislators, and to your point of people being
out of touch, they just kind of I give them
credit for sitting down with the restaurants, but the restaurant
owners were begging them, please help us, please help us.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
And they were like, this is how it goes.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
It's you know, a battle, because we if we give this,
they're going.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
To want that.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And these people are like, I don't care about your
political games. What are you going to do for the people.
And I feel like that's kind of where we've gotten
away from it in the government is realizing that everything
that is passed in Lancing has a personal effect on
someone's life, and they're not concerned with the games.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
They want to make sure they can feed their kids.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
They're not I mean, it's just political game after political gamesmanship.
We watch over there and you know, guys, it's it
really is either side of the aisle that you stand on.
You know, there's things that lawmakers are going to deliver
to their communities because if they didn't, they get voted
right out because their communities are expecting them to do so.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
You know, I really think that you.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Saw this past election, you know, a culmination of a
few different things on the Democratic side, a few different
things on the Republican side.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I mean, I will never forget to it.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Or John James at Lorenzo School's one any church talking
about you know, Democrats are the party, are the Party
of inclusion, are the party of diversity, and and you
know fairness.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
He pointed out, it sounded like Minister fair account or something.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
John James, right, talking about your governor White, You're I
mean a director white, your attorney general, your secretary of
state white. I really do think that Republicans sort of
leaned in. And you saw it with I Will load
for Trump. You saw all these different communities rarely get
(08:21):
behind Republicans in a way that we haven't seen in
some time. Was that because maybe they leaned in a
little bit to that, you know, diversity representation.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
On the other side, Democrats certainly leaned into the you know,
we're going to keep the status quo. We're going to
keep things how they are, and everything right now is great,
nothing is wrong. The inability to sort of address reality.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, and I do think to a certain extent there
is that feeling that like the Democrats preached something and
then you have Joe Biden on the ticket, and you
think this is a lifelong politician who is a wealthy
white man, you know, who seem to say that's not
our jam, but it's the person They end up putting
(09:05):
up and then the representation in Michigan in areas that
are traditionally minority areas haven't been minority representation.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And so I do think that.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
There has been kind of like a hey, what's going
on because Democrats have been in control.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
But that aside, I mean, I think that we do.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Get caught up in these social issues of is there fairness,
is there a number of people here?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Did they check all the boxes here?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
And I think Trump has been an interesting I mean
Trump is always interesting because you know, he's not one
to sit down and go I've got to check the
boxes and I've got to make everything right. He's like,
I've got to achieve a goal. I think he has
very much a business mindset of achieving a goal. But
in achieving that goal, he has put a lot of
people in place that are very diverse and come from
diverse backgrounds but also you know, diverse ethnic groups. And
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I don't think he was trying to do that. I
think it just came together that way. But the message,
I mean, I think when you look at what's going
on in twenty six, because twenty six is going to
be different, a different kind of race across the country,
in all of these diff You know, I think we've
got thirty six scubernatorial races across the country in twenty
six in Michigan. We will have one in Michigan. Right now,
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there's kind of this battle over is Donald Trump doing
the best thing for Michigan? And Democrats would say no
and Republicans would say yes. And then the automakers came
out yesterday and met with him and they said, well,
we actually kind of like what Donald Trump is doing
and we see a future here. But I think people
are very nervous about what does it mean. We just
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saw I think six hundred and sixty people will be
laid off in Dearborn because they're going to get rid
of a factory there. What do you see from Southeast
Michigan those folks saying what are their main concerns? Do
they They've a lot of them voted for Trump that
weren't expected to do. They like what he's doing. What
do you think they want to see for the state.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Well, it's interesting, you know, the UAW came out actually
in support of tariff, saying we need to blame corporations
if you know economic calamity ensues.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
You know, I hear that from a lot of workers,
construction workers.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
My neighbor Tommy, who I play basketball with, he is
a he works for Wallbridge, actually John Raccolta's company, and
you know, he's sort of that style of economic populism
where you're hearing people are are, you know, really against
subsidizing tax incentive. You know, you talk about the SORE
(11:38):
program as an economic tool to bring large scale manufacturing
projects here.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Like what's happening in Marshall Goshen. You know a lot of.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
People are wanting to see Michigan turn a page. Right
Southeast Michigan has been reliant on the auto industry for
the last you know, almost a century.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Now, where are we going to go next?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
A lot of people are looking at ann Arbor as
a potential to be sort of the Silicon Valley of
the Midwest. The tech incubators that are over there. You
got all the VC and startup money that's going on,
and they're looking at connecting the region. Really, you saw
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in Lansing communities that were opting out of smart transit
millages are no longer able to do so.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Government resigned that law a few months back.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
That was a big priority for Wayne County Executive Warren
Evans to try to convince the other communities that felt
like in the past maybe they didn't need smart transit
buses coming through now realizing, hey, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
If we want to stay competitive, we need.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
To put our young residents in ann Arbor in downtown
Detroit where the diversification of the economy is happening. Yeah,
we're looking for different kinds of jobs. To answer your question,
you give a long breath answer.
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Speaker 1 (14:31):
I had somebody yesterday say to me, you know, I
don't understand why we would put this semiconductor plant in
a county that doesn't want the semiconductor plant. Why aren't
we putting it in Detroit? And why aren't we putting
it in in Flint? Why don't why don't we open
up one of those old factories. And I was like, Okay,
from the perspective of someone who had a factory, let
(14:52):
me explain to you if I'm coming.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Into the state of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
First of all, the state of Michigan actually has laws
that say once you buy a piece of property, it's
not like you're you start new. You are responsible for
everything that happened in the past.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
There.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
That's an immediate deterrent if I'm a factory owner, because
that's a massive amount of cost every year that I
have to pay for the sins of the past. You know,
the state's not going to help. I'm taking this on
my owner. I own the sins of the past. So
there's not going to be a whole lot of motivation
for a company to come in and take that on
because the environmental cost is extreme. So you think about
(15:31):
these regulations how they affect our communities that really do
need those businesses, but they're they're moving people out, and
then you think, well, I could also build up a
whole new community. Everything builds around my factory. You know,
I bring in a factory with high paying jobs, and
we're talking about high paying hourly jobs. But then you
know it's a big deal when you have different levels
(15:52):
of income as well, because you've got your sales force,
then you've got your managers there, and then you've got
your presidents, and you've got your managers of the factories,
and everybody has a different level that they're bringing to
the community, and then your restaurants build up, and your
schools build up, and all those things build up around it.
So you have to kind of look at the state
of Okay. If we want to build up our communities
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that used to be thriving in art anymore, is there
a way to cut some of that regulation so we're
not punishing people for going into those communities. But then
how do we convince communities who have historically been farming communities,
but maybe they are struggling and they do need some
different types of industry in there to diversify their industry.
How do we convince them that change is not a
(16:37):
horrible thing. And I think that's something that we've been lacking.
And maybe that's something that even from the legislature, from
from the standpoint of you talked about all of the
back and forth between Republicans and Democrats. Well, if it's
something that your side is inherently against, maybe you can't
go to your community, or you can't see how you
go to your community and talk through this is actually
a good thing. And I do think that the subsidies
(16:59):
have been part of a problem. That problem and maybe
this is getting blown up now with Doge because you
see the government at the federal level and then the
news every night talking about like we don't and we
the taxpayers don't want to pay for all this this
stuff and it has soor hasn't been successful because it
hasn't built the jobs. So I can see how Michigan
(17:20):
can be a powerhouse. But there has to be some
coming together.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, there does. I think there's plenty of that going
on right now. Obviously, you know, our mayor of Detroit
is running for governor as an independent.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
His State of the City address it was sort of
a victory lap.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
On Tuesday night, sort of a ten year highlight reel
of what he has accomplished over.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
His tenure tutor. It's really interesting.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I talked to Trump voters on the ground that tell
me that they would vote for Doug in.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I say, you know, Eric Nesbitt, John James.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
They say, no, we want John James to stay in Congress.
I do think he would have success in a in
a Republican governor royal primary. But yeah, it's it's very
interesting when you talk about the Democratic candidates who don't
have uh sort of the ten year decade run up
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of I save Detroit. Is what the pitch is going
to be, not saying he did, but saying what he
is going to say about his campaign and himself. We
heard it last night, you know, and it's it's a
it's a compelling pitch. It is one that no other
candidate running for governor is.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Going to be able to make.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
You're going to see Democrats like Alibus Farhak come out
and say, you know, I'm open to voting for Dugan,
certainly Karen Whitsett, who she's had a relationship with with
Doug in over the years. But I'm curious to know,
you know, what what Republicans are are kind of thinking,
because when I asked people like Bill Shooty, g Shooty,
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he's my fellow Midland theer, you know, he tells me,
no way, Sam, no way in How our Republicans going
to support a guy that was just stumping for Kamala
Harris and Joe Biden the year previously.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, I think there, I mean, I think there's a
lot of truth to that. I think there's a lot
of people that go, well, wait a minute, you don't
get to just leave your party because you think you
can't beat Jocelyn Benson if you think you can't beat
Jocelyn Benson, then how do you bail on your own party?
And I get the whole like, well, I'm rebranding because
I don't like the progressive side of the party, and
I do think that they are kind of a metaphor
(19:28):
for the party, the Democrat Party in general. Right now,
if you look at the race for the Michigan governor's race,
why would Duggan step out from his party unless he
thinks that he can't beat Jocelyn And if he can't
beat Jocelyn Benson, what is his argument going to be.
Is it going to be that she is part of
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the progressive wing that people feel is out of touch
with the average Democrat voter.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
So I think you're making a good point.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
He's going to come out and he's going to say,
you know, we've done all of this in Detroit and
hope that that registers with the rest of the state.
I think that what you're hearing from Republicans is probably true.
The rest of the areas that are Republican are not Detroit,
you know, And so are those people going to say,
well that you know that was important enough to me
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to say I'm going to vote against what I know
his value set is because he has this record in Detroit,
and if you if you are not fully connected to Detroit,
if you're connected to grun Rapids, if you're connected.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
To Traverse City, if you're.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
In the up, then that may not be enough to
say I'm going to go with someone who I know
historically was a Democrat who did stump for Kamala Harris,
who has has not shown the values that I think
are Republican. And so I think it's kind of interesting
to watch what's happening in Michigan. This is this is
the ultimate split of the Democrat Party. So when does
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it come back together?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And what?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
How does he defined Jocelyn Benson. How do you see
him defining Jocelyn Benson in this race and saying he's
better than her for some reason?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Authenticity?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Jocelyn Benson struggles connecting with with a you know, mass
such a young black audience. I don't think her campaign
would would argue with that, particularly when we see the
response to Garland Gilchrist's campaign. We have not seen Jocelyn Benson.
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I mean I haven't personally, So if you guys have
done it, I apologize Jocelyn Benson campaign. I haven't seen
her stand in front of supporters yet. We've seen Chris
Swanson do blowout people. I saw Garland Gilcrest in New
Center here in Detroit do a big event, you know,
with with a few hundred people. We have not seen
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Jocelyn Benson in front of standing with at an event
with supporters.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
When she announced.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
You remember, I was actually the first one to report
that her website went live and that she was in
fact running for governor as expected.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
And the very next day, you know, hours after my
report is published.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
She goes to the Richard Austin Building to officially file
her candidate committee for governor and takes questions from reporters there.
We haven't heard much though, in fairness to all of
these campaigns, Tutor, it is still a year and you know,
several months out, but that really hasn't stopped these campaigns.
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I mean, we're seeing Instagram stories from Jocelyn Benson, from
Mike Duggan, from Chris Swanson reacting on the various things
happening in Lansing and DC every day, and so they
these campaigns are actively campaigning, how much money they're spending, you.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Know, too early, I think to say yet, but.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
It's going to be interesting to see once we get
closer to twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I'm just hit the endless campaigning is getting annoying to people.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
It is. I mean, it's not annoying to us reporters
who get to just you know, constantly be in the
campaign season, but it is. I think, you know, the
idea of getting out in front this early is just
name recognition. You know Jocelyn They joke that she has
eighty three campaign offices in each county. Mike Duggan obviously
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has all of Fox two, Channel four, the Metro Detroit.
You know, he's being blasted to five and a half
million people every day. And then Chris Swanson has his
you know, when you drive to Lansing, at least from
where I am, you see.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
His billboards for his ghost operation on.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
It's like a sex trafficking operation that he is deployed.
I suppose I should know more about Chris Swanson's ghost program,
but he's up there in Jesse County, so down here
in Detroit, man, he's got some work to do in
terms of catching up, and he's not shy about it.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I've talked to him at length already I'm still looking.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
To get get my twenty minutes, you know, in person
or on the phone with Jocelyn Garland gave all the
reporters ten minutes over the phone a couple.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Of days before they launch. Yeah, so I mean they're
still connecting with us.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
That was the big thing with with Kamala Harris's campaign
that the campaign themselves even said guys, you have to
talk to local media, and they just refuse to do so,
I think.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
So what do you think about the podcast circuit that
Trump went on. Do you think that that helped him?
Because I do think there's a difference. I mean, you
talked about me taking questions, but you get you get
a minute to answer and then they clip what they
want and they put it out there. Yes, was different
because he went on these long form podcasts. And I
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think he's also unique in that he can say things.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
And still live through them.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
But yes he can. He can because they clipped him,
they asked him.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I think it was Alex Friedman's podcast where he sort
of admitted that the election wasn't stolen, but then sort
of backtracked and said that it was.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And so, you know, the long form.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Podcasts have the opportunity to get stuff that you wouldn't get.
We just saw Lebron James do do an hour long
with Pat McAfee yesterday on ESPN.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
You know, Lebron doesn't go on stephen A.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Smith, He's not going on Sports Center after every you know,
so to get the president doing these it was almost
a little bit surreal at first, especially for the younger audiences,
Like we're watching podcasts every day. We're watching all these guys,
you know, the THEO Bonds or whatever.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
You know he would do.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
He did Aiden Ross, you know, like he stopped shy
of Kay Sinnett and I Show Speed, you know, but
the streamers.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
And you know, it's like a whole new world we're
going in.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I think it wasn't so much of that he went
on the podcast. It was his campaign's openness and just
really willingness to go to space. Is that they didn't
have control of and Karma's Democrats in mass right now,
if they do not.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Have control of the media space, they don't go on it.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And I think that is it is a very scary
thing to go into a place where you have no
control because anything can happen and then you know, if
you've run for office, you know that you are just
you're destroyed, right.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
The one thing you have is your reputation.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
And I think that anybody would tell you that your
reputation is very important to you, no matter who you are,
no matter what age you are. If your reputation is ruined,
it's very demoralizing. But he was willing to go out
there and say what else can.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
They do to me?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
You know?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I mean, he's kind of like that guy where it's like,
I've been ruined in every sense of the word. I'm
going to show them who I really am. Now I'm
at the point where I can only show them who
I am. And I think people who get to know him,
a lot of people, not everybody, but a lot of
people went actually, actually, I kind of like it. He
seems sort of like a normal person. And if you
get that opportunity to sit down with people and say, well,
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I want to hear what you have to say. I
want to hear what is what the worst thing is
that's happening to you right now? How can I help you?
You learn whether or not the person actually wants to
help you, or whether or not the person just wants
that position, and I do think there is a lot
of that in politics.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I want the title. I want the title. But you
talk about controlled.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Environments, and you said you haven't been able to talk
to Jocelyn Benson. She has done events, but they've been closed.
So what does that say.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I mean, it's a book out of the you know,
Whitmer playbook. After the kidnapping, the I and Tapman, however
you want to spin.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
The story, her staff or office staff became much more
sensitive to giving out where events would be, you know,
you know, in fairness to her security and safety. But
it would creep on and on and on, and you know,
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sometimes we'd be like, oh, you're inviting us to this
thing six in the morning, and the thing is at
ten thirty or eleven am. It's like, you know, our
the ABC news staff is over there in seven and
you drive away on the Lansing.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
So that kind of thing would happen, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
I just think that, you know, I think Democrats can
start talking more people honestly and more openly.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
But I don't know that it's just I think that
it seems like it's just Democrats because the commander in
chief was very open you know, we just came off
of that Trump campaign, and he was very open versus
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these town halls where Republicans have been attacked in the
town halls, and so they've shied away from town halls. Now,
I think a lot of these are also unfair because
they've done it while Republicans are in session, and then
they put the seed up in all he wouldn't come.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Well, he's in Washington, you.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Know, he does have a job. So some of them
are unfair. But I do think that that people are
uncomfortable in a situation where they don't know if they're
going to be attacked and humiliated and put on the spot.
And so I think that as politics have gone back
to more of that. You know, there was a time
when it was you.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You were only what.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
The media said about you, you know, and there wasn't
somebody recording you around every corner. So these last ten
years have really changed because there's someone tracking you, and
there's someone trying to catch you on camera, and anything
that you say that can be interpreted the wrong way.
It can be deadly to you, but not just to
your campaign. It's like forever, you know. I mean, I
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order on the Starbucks app and I'm like, my name
is on there, what are they going to think of me?
I went into Kedova yesterday and the guy was like, oh,
I like your outfit.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
What do you do for a living?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
And I was like, oh, I'm a podcaster and he said,
is it what's the topic? Is there like a topic
and I said it's politics and he was like, oh,
are you affiliated with like a party or.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Or just politics in general?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
And I said I'm a Republican and he went oh.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
But he goes, you know what, I'll listen to it anyway,
so write it down.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I was like, Okay, all right, hopefully he's listening out
to it over but I like Chipotle a little bit.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
But I know, well, we don't want to insult him.
He's already struggling to come over to the Republican podcast side,
but I did. I said, I'll come back and see
what you think of it. So I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
We're listening to a lot of conservative podcasts. I've been
listening to the people that they tell me how to
listen to.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
You know, I grew up liking Kanye's music, so I
you know, I still kind of am the Russell Westbrook
meme eating the chips listening to his new music as
they tell me not to.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
It's really important. I think Gavin Newsome and Steven A.
Smith and all these.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Left of center guys bringing on the conservatives. It's Magan
for interesting conversations. You know, I really think that we're
more we're all humans, like we're all Americans, we're all Michiganders.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
We're not as far apart as people.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
And a lot of times it's like you're you know,
really close together, actually on on on issues that the
majority of people are against. And now we think about
we go back to the conversations about economic developed and
subsidy and tax capture. Mike Duggan calls it a discount,
which is a really good right way to frame it
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so people.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Will support, you know, allow large.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Companies and billionaires get discounts on the tax revenues generated
off large projects.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
And the buildings that they build. Tuoter.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
You know, I do wonder though, as Democrats were arguing
with me over tipped wage. You know, you want to
take the side of the worker. You want to take
the side of you know, unpaid leave. What happens, you know,
if all these small businesses are no longer to say, well,
(33:45):
if if the business can't afford to pay somebody a
living wage, then that doesn't sound.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Like a business to me.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
And I asked them, I asked them, well, do you
just want Amazon and Jeff Bezos land and target, you know,
like we because those are the going to be the
many people that are able to provide the you know,
forty hours sickly even and these these benefits, and so
a lot of the issues really just horseshoe right back into.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
The other you saw.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Dylan Wegelaw and Steve Kara introduced legislation that I'm not
sure what the status legislation is, but to ban lawmakers
signing no discussion agreements when crafting legislation.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Likes sore, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, because then you don't as a taxpayer, you don't
if they have a non disclosure, then you don't know
what your money is going to. But let me just
I know I'm getting I'm a little over time, but
I want to get to this because I want to
ask your opinion. You have Doug In saying that these
big corporations are getting discounts. That's a nice way of
saying that they aren't paying taxes, which seems odd because
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all I keep hearing from Democrats is.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
We're going to raise the corporate tax rate because you
have to pay your fair share.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
But then the corporations that have lots of money are
getting a tax break. Mom and pop who owned the
restaurant are getting screwed.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I mean, they everything.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Would say, don't group me in with those Democrats. I'm
not a Democrat anymore. You got to ask you them.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Well, but okay, regardless, it doesn't matter party, because I agree.
I think that these corporations have gotten tax breaks for
a long time, but it hasn't worked in the state.
You know, if you look at it, our main street
is dead, and then you've got these big corporate entities
that are kind of like sucking off the teat of Michigan.
And there's not going to be any more people to
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suck off of if every little small business can't survive anymore.
And when we talk about you know, it's funny because
the paid leave. I was like, what are the small
businesses who aren't paying paid leave? And I was out
at at lunch one day and this woman said, I
work for Consumers, And another lady looked at her and
she said, oh, you must love it there. You get
such great benefits. And she said, I'm only in my
(36:01):
fourth year, so I don't get benefits. And I said,
what do you mean And she said, they don't hire
you on as a full time employee until you're fifth year,
so I'm a contractor. And I was like, oh my gosh,
you're the person. You're the person who doesn't get paid leave,
You're the person that doesn't get insurance. This is no
health and no benefits at all.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
And I was like, the people who are are paying politicians.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Here, You've got this big corporate entity who is not
actually hiring people on And it was like this moment
where I thought, that is so upsetting to hear that
this big corporation is skirting its responsibility of giving its
employees the.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Benefits that they deserve.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
And you've got mom and pop restaurant next door who's saying, Hey,
I have girls that work here on a Friday and
Saturday night and they make eighty dollars an hour and
they don't have to work the rest of the week
and their husband's work and they can stay home with
the kids during the week. And now they won't make
eighty dollars an hour because they're going to be at
this capped wage. Consequences. But when unintended consequences happen, then
(37:03):
we have to come together. And we're so divided.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah, I do think that.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
In Michigan we tend to come together more than we
don't know. I mean, I know am grateful for the
folks that make that happen. It's interesting out here where
we you know, go left, we go right. But at
the end of the day, we're all just people in
the world living.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
So that's why I wanted to have you on because
I'm like, oh, he seems really genuine.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Like I think when you put stuff out it's you.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
I try to be honest.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
And that's the biggest thing is, you know, the Detroit
one million we're talking about a generation of Michigan is
growing up in a state without a city with a
million people.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
If you look at it map of the United.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
States, you'll see the cities or the states rather that
have cities of a million people, the states that don't
tell the story. Detroit is the only city in America, Tutor,
to ever lose a million people. Doing it all from
first person perspective, talking to you, do you know, competing
with the free press and the news and gong were
and mers for you know, Lancing News, City Council, Detroit scoops.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Doing it in a way Tutor, that's just here. I am.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
I'm Sam Robinson, the first person you're gonna, you know,
hear my voice, hear the things that I think about
when you know people are talking. And I really think
that's the future is being really honest about where you
are doing news.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
You know, be honest about your own biases.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
What is Detroit one million? Tell people what exactly it is.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
It's my own website dot com Detroit one million. You know,
it's a journalism project that I started in December really
only because the free per of the news didn't want
my Mary Sheffield went to a Trump party story and
I knew that was gonna be a big thing in Detroit.
Mary Sheffield is our city council president. She is running
for mayor. Some would say she is the lead. She's
the front runner to become the mayor this fall in
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Detroit to replace Dougan.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
She went to a holiday party that was Trump themed.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Person that hosts the party every year as an annual
holiday party put on by an event planner here in Measure, Detroit.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
She decided to go to the party.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
I didn't have anywhere else to publish it, so I
decided to go on substack Onto substack man. A lot
of us laid off and sort of disaffected journalists are
landing on substack and realizing that they're taking care of us.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
It's been really fun. I appreciate everyone that has signed
up so far. Truly, Guys like.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
You're literally allowing for news and information to be distributed
to you in a way that if you were not
supporting it, it wouldn't exist. And so it's been a
surreal feeling so far. And that's what I tell people.
I say, it's kind of like a Detroit version of
Mercer Going, or kind of an insidery thinking about young people.
(39:50):
I'm always centering young people in the stories and thinking
about the future. So we're going to talk about AI
and crypto and all of the things that people that
are under thirty or even under forty, born after nineteen
seventy five even might be able to appreciate, because you know,
(40:11):
you know, it's sort of this gerontocracy that we live in.
The news is paid for by that garontoxy.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
The people that are senior.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Even old people like me, could find something there.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
They all tutor You can find plenty at Detroit one million.
It really is.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
I try to take an interesting look at these stories
that are the biggest stories in Michigan, polity.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
So how do people They sign up at the website
and then that they can support you financially too, right,
they can.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
It's eight dollars a month.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
There's a founding member version where you can get but
eight dollars a month is all you need to get
behind the paywall. Some of the stories that I do
a weekly free read is a roundup of everything in
the world, not just politics, but pop culture and sports
as well, and taking a look at what's going on
across Michigan, you know, all over the state, not just Detroit,
but really reframing Detroit as like the cultural center of
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the state.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Which you know, I think it is.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, I mean I went.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I was there for my daughter's basketball or volleyball tournament
a few weeks ago, and I was on the people
mover and I was like, I mean, there is so
much cool stuff that people don't know about. So I
think that's what's critical and that's really what draws me
to you. So for anybody out there, I think that
you would really enjoy it. Detroit one million if you
go there, because this is someone Sam is someone who
(41:32):
is doing this because it's genuine. He loves the city,
he loves getting the message out. He loves the state
and that's why I want to have you on. So
I want to say thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Thank you so much. All strikes too.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
It's a nonpartisan you know, we're not going to put
on my own political spin and bias on it.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Which we all know that all reporters have.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
We can stop pretending that reporters don't have personal, you know,
feelings on issues. They do, but that's not in there. Tudor,
thank you so much for having me on your show.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Here absolutely okay.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Remember it's Sam Robinson, It's Detroit one million. Thank you
so much, Thanks Judor, and thank you all for listening
to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
For this episode and others.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Go to Tutor dixonpodcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts and join us next time.
Have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So today we are
kind of turning the tables. It could be fun, it
could be a total disaster. I'm not sure what to
expect because today I am bringing a Detroit based reporter
into my podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
His name is Sam Robinson.
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about what is good for your community, what your community needs,
and you've just recently started your own site. I want
to talk about all of that, but I have a
lot of respect for what you do, and that's why
you You actually reached out to me, and I was like, Hey,
how about you come on and I interview you. And
I don't know what you thought about that, but I'm
glad you said yes.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yes, I didn't even hesitate, did I really? No, No,
I talked to everyone. I uh, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Appreciate you for bringing me on and being willing to, uh,
you know, have this sort of long form discussion. You
were willing to have it with us when you were
a gobernatorial candidate back a couple of years back. I remember, uh,
you know, covering you asking questions. You know, you weren't
afraid to go where the tough questions were with Beth
(02:26):
LeBlanc or Craig Mauger at the News. So, you know,
kudos to you. Everyone in the press corps seemed to
the consensus was, you know, Tutor, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
She's a care she's a she's she's.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Willing to take our heart and tough and sometimes repeat
over and over and over again questions questions that you
know people, was this the issue that that people cared about?
I think when you talk about issues, whether it's in
ben Harbor, Kalamazoo, Flint, Midland, Saginaw, Detroit, Ann Arbor, you
(03:01):
know they talk about kitchen table.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
They say that phrase for a reason.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
And actually before we started recording, I was talking to
you about your hometown right now is not represented by
a state senator. The governor is supposed to call a
special election, but she hasn't done that yet. And I said,
how do you feel about that? And you were like,
you know, I don't think people there even realize. And
that was such a good point because when you talk
(03:27):
about kitchen table issues, people hear that term and they're like,
what does that actually mean? I mean, people in Michigan
want to know about jobs, they want to know about
the economy. They want to figure out what's going to
happen to bring those that money back into their own household.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
It's not about the bigger picture, I think, no.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I mean, I just think that even when you get
down to the arguments in the legislature, a lot of
the issues that we know that you know, lawmakers know
that they will need to pass once that deadline hits,
they pass it. You know, we haven't had a governor
shut down in Michigan sometimes. I mean, we'll see that
this year with this upcoming state budget. But it's really interesting,
(04:09):
you know, I think Matt Hall is a different kind
of leader than we from Joe Tate a few months.
Detroit's Joe Tate. He's a state rep in the first
ever black House speaker. A lot of Democrats are looking
back at that and wishing that they had a different
House speaker.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
But you say that, and I think, let me explain
a little bit about why I think you're saying that.
I think at the end of not a lot happened.
Not a lot of bills were passed during his time there.
I think he faced a few challenges. He had a
tie in the House for a while, so during his
tenure he didn't have exactly the opportunity that people might
have thought he had. But then at the end it
(04:51):
was sort of a everything kind of exploded and there
were these what is it, it's nine bills, right that didn't
go to the governor.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yes, yeah, it was nine bill that were supposed to
be sent to the governor to be signed that just
didn't somehow end up getting sent. You know, current court
battles are playing out to see whether or not those.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Are going to be assigned and sent to the governor.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
But it's it's a really, you know, interesting thing that
happened that Detroitter's were watching along where we had our
Karen Witset State representative. She covers the west side of
the city side with Matt Hall, really trash and disparage
Joe Tait, who she hadn't had a reason to do
do that before this lame Duck session. She was, you know,
(05:34):
going for her own sort of Detroit agenda.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I think that there's there is.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
You know, it's interesting because I was watching this happening obviously,
and I think for it's that same thing that you
just were talking about. People are concerned about their own
personal life situation and they're like, I don't care about this.
So she was kind of fighting on a few different fronts,
I think water and then wanting to lower the cost
of water for Detroit for people in her district.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
And then also this restaurant bill.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So in Michigan, this bill passed that people are gonna
the restaurants will have to pay minimum wage instead of
the tipped wage, and then the tipped wage they think
will go away. And there were a lot of there
are a lot of restaurants that are very upset about
this because it increases their cost and their servers are
sometimes getting less money. So we actually had a group
(06:27):
of restaurants on our side of the state that brought
in five legislators, and to your point of people being
out of touch, they just kind of I give them
credit for sitting down with the restaurants, but the restaurant
owners were begging them, please help us, please help us.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
And they were like, this is how it goes.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
It's you know, a battle, because we if we give this,
they're going.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
To want that.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And these people are like, I don't care about your
political games. What are you going to do for the people.
And I feel like that's kind of where we've gotten
away from it in the government is realizing that everything
that is passed in Lancing has a personal effect on
someone's life, and they're not concerned with the games.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
They want to make sure they can feed their kids.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
They're not I mean, it's just political game after political gamesmanship.
We watch over there and you know, guys, it's it
really is either side of the aisle that you stand on.
You know, there's things that lawmakers are going to deliver
to their communities because if they didn't, they get voted
right out because their communities are expecting them to do so.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
You know, I really think that you.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Saw this past election, you know, a culmination of a
few different things on the Democratic side, a few different
things on the Republican side.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I mean, I will never forget to it.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Or John James at Lorenzo School's one any church talking
about you know, Democrats are the party, are the Party
of inclusion, are the party of diversity, and and you
know fairness.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
He pointed out, it sounded like Minister fair account or something.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
John James, right, talking about your governor White, You're I
mean a director white, your attorney general, your secretary of
state white. I really do think that Republicans sort of
leaned in. And you saw it with I Will load
for Trump. You saw all these different communities rarely get
(08:21):
behind Republicans in a way that we haven't seen in
some time. Was that because maybe they leaned in a
little bit to that, you know, diversity representation.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
On the other side, Democrats certainly leaned into the you know,
we're going to keep the status quo. We're going to
keep things how they are, and everything right now is great,
nothing is wrong. The inability to sort of address reality.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, and I do think to a certain extent there
is that feeling that like the Democrats preached something and
then you have Joe Biden on the ticket, and you
think this is a lifelong politician who is a wealthy
white man, you know, who seem to say that's not
our jam, but it's the person They end up putting
(09:05):
up and then the representation in Michigan in areas that
are traditionally minority areas haven't been minority representation.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And so I do think that.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
There has been kind of like a hey, what's going
on because Democrats have been in control.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
But that aside, I mean, I think that we do.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Get caught up in these social issues of is there fairness,
is there a number of people here?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Did they check all the boxes here?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
And I think Trump has been an interesting I mean
Trump is always interesting because you know, he's not one
to sit down and go I've got to check the
boxes and I've got to make everything right. He's like,
I've got to achieve a goal. I think he has
very much a business mindset of achieving a goal. But
in achieving that goal, he has put a lot of
people in place that are very diverse and come from
diverse backgrounds but also you know, diverse ethnic groups. And
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I don't think he was trying to do that. I
think it just came together that way. But the message,
I mean, I think when you look at what's going
on in twenty six, because twenty six is going to
be different, a different kind of race across the country,
in all of these diff You know, I think we've
got thirty six scubernatorial races across the country in twenty
six in Michigan. We will have one in Michigan. Right now,
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there's kind of this battle over is Donald Trump doing
the best thing for Michigan? And Democrats would say no
and Republicans would say yes. And then the automakers came
out yesterday and met with him and they said, well,
we actually kind of like what Donald Trump is doing
and we see a future here. But I think people
are very nervous about what does it mean. We just
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saw I think six hundred and sixty people will be
laid off in Dearborn because they're going to get rid
of a factory there. What do you see from Southeast
Michigan those folks saying what are their main concerns? Do
they They've a lot of them voted for Trump that
weren't expected to do. They like what he's doing. What
do you think they want to see for the state.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Well, it's interesting, you know, the UAW came out actually
in support of tariff, saying we need to blame corporations
if you know economic calamity ensues.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
You know, I hear that from a lot of workers,
construction workers.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
My neighbor Tommy, who I play basketball with, he is
a he works for Wallbridge, actually John Raccolta's company, and
you know, he's sort of that style of economic populism
where you're hearing people are are, you know, really against
subsidizing tax incentive. You know, you talk about the SORE
(11:38):
program as an economic tool to bring large scale manufacturing
projects here.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Like what's happening in Marshall Goshen. You know a lot of.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
People are wanting to see Michigan turn a page. Right
Southeast Michigan has been reliant on the auto industry for
the last you know, almost a century.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Now, where are we going to go next?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
A lot of people are looking at ann Arbor as
a potential to be sort of the Silicon Valley of
the Midwest. The tech incubators that are over there. You
got all the VC and startup money that's going on,
and they're looking at connecting the region. Really, you saw
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in Lansing communities that were opting out of smart transit
millages are no longer able to do so.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Government resigned that law a few months back.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
That was a big priority for Wayne County Executive Warren
Evans to try to convince the other communities that felt
like in the past maybe they didn't need smart transit
buses coming through now realizing, hey, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
If we want to stay competitive, we need.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
To put our young residents in ann Arbor in downtown
Detroit where the diversification of the economy is happening. Yeah,
we're looking for different kinds of jobs. To answer your question,
you give a long breath answer.
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Speaker 1 (14:31):
I had somebody yesterday say to me, you know, I
don't understand why we would put this semiconductor plant in
a county that doesn't want the semiconductor plant. Why aren't
we putting it in Detroit? And why aren't we putting
it in in Flint? Why don't why don't we open
up one of those old factories. And I was like, Okay,
from the perspective of someone who had a factory, let
(14:52):
me explain to you if I'm coming.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Into the state of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
First of all, the state of Michigan actually has laws
that say once you buy a piece of property, it's
not like you're you start new. You are responsible for
everything that happened in the past.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
There.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
That's an immediate deterrent if I'm a factory owner, because
that's a massive amount of cost every year that I
have to pay for the sins of the past. You know,
the state's not going to help. I'm taking this on
my owner. I own the sins of the past. So
there's not going to be a whole lot of motivation
for a company to come in and take that on
because the environmental cost is extreme. So you think about
(15:31):
these regulations how they affect our communities that really do
need those businesses, but they're they're moving people out, and
then you think, well, I could also build up a
whole new community. Everything builds around my factory. You know,
I bring in a factory with high paying jobs, and
we're talking about high paying hourly jobs. But then you
know it's a big deal when you have different levels
(15:52):
of income as well, because you've got your sales force,
then you've got your managers there, and then you've got
your presidents, and you've got your managers of the factories,
and everybody has a different level that they're bringing to
the community, and then your restaurants build up, and your
schools build up, and all those things build up around it.
So you have to kind of look at the state
of Okay. If we want to build up our communities
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that used to be thriving in art anymore, is there
a way to cut some of that regulation so we're
not punishing people for going into those communities. But then
how do we convince communities who have historically been farming communities,
but maybe they are struggling and they do need some
different types of industry in there to diversify their industry.
How do we convince them that change is not a
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horrible thing. And I think that's something that we've been lacking.
And maybe that's something that even from the legislature, from
from the standpoint of you talked about all of the
back and forth between Republicans and Democrats. Well, if it's
something that your side is inherently against, maybe you can't
go to your community, or you can't see how you
go to your community and talk through this is actually
a good thing. And I do think that the subsidies
(16:59):
have been part of a problem. That problem and maybe
this is getting blown up now with Doge because you
see the government at the federal level and then the
news every night talking about like we don't and we
the taxpayers don't want to pay for all this this
stuff and it has soor hasn't been successful because it
hasn't built the jobs. So I can see how Michigan
(17:20):
can be a powerhouse. But there has to be some
coming together.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, there does. I think there's plenty of that going
on right now. Obviously, you know, our mayor of Detroit
is running for governor as an independent.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
His State of the City address it was sort of
a victory lap.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
On Tuesday night, sort of a ten year highlight reel
of what he has accomplished over.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
His tenure tutor. It's really interesting.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I talked to Trump voters on the ground that tell
me that they would vote for Doug in.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I say, you know, Eric Nesbitt, John James.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
They say, no, we want John James to stay in Congress.
I do think he would have success in a in
a Republican governor royal primary. But yeah, it's it's very
interesting when you talk about the Democratic candidates who don't
have uh sort of the ten year decade run up
(18:14):
of I save Detroit. Is what the pitch is going
to be, not saying he did, but saying what he
is going to say about his campaign and himself. We
heard it last night, you know, and it's it's a
it's a compelling pitch. It is one that no other
candidate running for governor is.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Going to be able to make.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
You're going to see Democrats like Alibus Farhak come out
and say, you know, I'm open to voting for Dugan,
certainly Karen Whitsett, who she's had a relationship with with
Doug in over the years. But I'm curious to know,
you know, what what Republicans are are kind of thinking,
because when I asked people like Bill Shooty, g Shooty,
(18:56):
he's my fellow Midland theer, you know, he tells me,
no way, Sam, no way in How our Republicans going
to support a guy that was just stumping for Kamala
Harris and Joe Biden the year previously.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, I think there, I mean, I think there's a
lot of truth to that. I think there's a lot
of people that go, well, wait a minute, you don't
get to just leave your party because you think you
can't beat Jocelyn Benson if you think you can't beat
Jocelyn Benson, then how do you bail on your own party?
And I get the whole like, well, I'm rebranding because
I don't like the progressive side of the party, and
I do think that they are kind of a metaphor
(19:28):
for the party, the Democrat Party in general. Right now,
if you look at the race for the Michigan governor's race,
why would Duggan step out from his party unless he
thinks that he can't beat Jocelyn And if he can't
beat Jocelyn Benson, what is his argument going to be.
Is it going to be that she is part of
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the progressive wing that people feel is out of touch
with the average Democrat voter.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
So I think you're making a good point.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
He's going to come out and he's going to say,
you know, we've done all of this in Detroit and
hope that that registers with the rest of the state.
I think that what you're hearing from Republicans is probably true.
The rest of the areas that are Republican are not Detroit,
you know, And so are those people going to say,
well that you know that was important enough to me
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to say I'm going to vote against what I know
his value set is because he has this record in Detroit,
and if you if you are not fully connected to Detroit,
if you're connected to grun Rapids, if you're connected.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
To Traverse City, if you're.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
In the up, then that may not be enough to
say I'm going to go with someone who I know
historically was a Democrat who did stump for Kamala Harris,
who has has not shown the values that I think
are Republican. And so I think it's kind of interesting
to watch what's happening in Michigan. This is this is
the ultimate split of the Democrat Party. So when does
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it come back together?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And what?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
How does he defined Jocelyn Benson. How do you see
him defining Jocelyn Benson in this race and saying he's
better than her for some reason?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Authenticity?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Jocelyn Benson struggles connecting with with a you know, mass
such a young black audience. I don't think her campaign
would would argue with that, particularly when we see the
response to Garland Gilchrist's campaign. We have not seen Jocelyn Benson.
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I mean I haven't personally, So if you guys have
done it, I apologize Jocelyn Benson campaign. I haven't seen
her stand in front of supporters yet. We've seen Chris
Swanson do blowout people. I saw Garland Gilcrest in New
Center here in Detroit do a big event, you know,
with with a few hundred people. We have not seen
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Jocelyn Benson in front of standing with at an event
with supporters.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
When she announced.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
You remember, I was actually the first one to report
that her website went live and that she was in
fact running for governor as expected.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
And the very next day, you know, hours after my
report is published.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
She goes to the Richard Austin Building to officially file
her candidate committee for governor and takes questions from reporters there.
We haven't heard much though, in fairness to all of
these campaigns, Tutor, it is still a year and you know,
several months out, but that really hasn't stopped these campaigns.
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I mean, we're seeing Instagram stories from Jocelyn Benson, from
Mike Duggan, from Chris Swanson reacting on the various things
happening in Lansing and DC every day, and so they
these campaigns are actively campaigning, how much money they're spending, you.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Know, too early, I think to say yet, but.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
It's going to be interesting to see once we get
closer to twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I'm just hit the endless campaigning is getting annoying to people.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
It is. I mean, it's not annoying to us reporters
who get to just you know, constantly be in the
campaign season, but it is. I think, you know, the
idea of getting out in front this early is just
name recognition. You know Jocelyn They joke that she has
eighty three campaign offices in each county. Mike Duggan obviously
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has all of Fox two, Channel four, the Metro Detroit.
You know, he's being blasted to five and a half
million people every day. And then Chris Swanson has his
you know, when you drive to Lansing, at least from
where I am, you see.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
His billboards for his ghost operation on.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
It's like a sex trafficking operation that he is deployed.
I suppose I should know more about Chris Swanson's ghost program,
but he's up there in Jesse County, so down here
in Detroit, man, he's got some work to do in
terms of catching up, and he's not shy about it.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I've talked to him at length already I'm still looking.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
To get get my twenty minutes, you know, in person
or on the phone with Jocelyn Garland gave all the
reporters ten minutes over the phone a couple.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Of days before they launch. Yeah, so I mean they're
still connecting with us.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
That was the big thing with with Kamala Harris's campaign
that the campaign themselves even said guys, you have to
talk to local media, and they just refuse to do so,
I think.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
So what do you think about the podcast circuit that
Trump went on. Do you think that that helped him?
Because I do think there's a difference. I mean, you
talked about me taking questions, but you get you get
a minute to answer and then they clip what they
want and they put it out there. Yes, was different
because he went on these long form podcasts. And I
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think he's also unique in that he can say things.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
And still live through them.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
But yes he can. He can because they clipped him,
they asked him.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I think it was Alex Friedman's podcast where he sort
of admitted that the election wasn't stolen, but then sort
of backtracked and said that it was.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And so, you know, the long form.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Podcasts have the opportunity to get stuff that you wouldn't get.
We just saw Lebron James do do an hour long
with Pat McAfee yesterday on ESPN.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
You know, Lebron doesn't go on stephen A.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Smith, He's not going on Sports Center after every you know,
so to get the president doing these it was almost
a little bit surreal at first, especially for the younger audiences,
Like we're watching podcasts every day. We're watching all these guys,
you know, the THEO Bonds or whatever.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
You know he would do.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
He did Aiden Ross, you know, like he stopped shy
of Kay Sinnett and I Show Speed, you know, but
the streamers.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
And you know, it's like a whole new world we're
going in.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I think it wasn't so much of that he went
on the podcast. It was his campaign's openness and just
really willingness to go to space. Is that they didn't
have control of and Karma's Democrats in mass right now,
if they do not.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Have control of the media space, they don't go on it.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And I think that is it is a very scary
thing to go into a place where you have no
control because anything can happen and then you know, if
you've run for office, you know that you are just
you're destroyed, right.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
The one thing you have is your reputation.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
And I think that anybody would tell you that your
reputation is very important to you, no matter who you are,
no matter what age you are. If your reputation is ruined,
it's very demoralizing. But he was willing to go out
there and say what else can.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
They do to me?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
You know?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I mean, he's kind of like that guy where it's like,
I've been ruined in every sense of the word. I'm
going to show them who I really am. Now I'm
at the point where I can only show them who
I am. And I think people who get to know him,
a lot of people, not everybody, but a lot of
people went actually, actually, I kind of like it. He
seems sort of like a normal person. And if you
get that opportunity to sit down with people and say, well,
(27:07):
I want to hear what you have to say. I
want to hear what is what the worst thing is
that's happening to you right now? How can I help you?
You learn whether or not the person actually wants to
help you, or whether or not the person just wants
that position, and I do think there is a lot
of that in politics.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I want the title. I want the title. But you
talk about controlled.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Environments, and you said you haven't been able to talk
to Jocelyn Benson. She has done events, but they've been closed.
So what does that say.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I mean, it's a book out of the you know,
Whitmer playbook. After the kidnapping, the I and Tapman, however
you want to spin.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
The story, her staff or office staff became much more
sensitive to giving out where events would be, you know,
you know, in fairness to her security and safety. But
it would creep on and on and on, and you know,
(28:03):
sometimes we'd be like, oh, you're inviting us to this
thing six in the morning, and the thing is at
ten thirty or eleven am. It's like, you know, our
the ABC news staff is over there in seven and
you drive away on the Lansing.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
So that kind of thing would happen, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
I just think that, you know, I think Democrats can
start talking more people honestly and more openly.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
But I don't know that it's just I think that
it seems like it's just Democrats because the commander in
chief was very open you know, we just came off
of that Trump campaign, and he was very open versus
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these town halls where Republicans have been attacked in the
town halls, and so they've shied away from town halls. Now,
I think a lot of these are also unfair because
they've done it while Republicans are in session, and then
they put the seed up in all he wouldn't come.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Well, he's in Washington, you.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Know, he does have a job. So some of them
are unfair. But I do think that that people are
uncomfortable in a situation where they don't know if they're
going to be attacked and humiliated and put on the spot.
And so I think that as politics have gone back
to more of that. You know, there was a time
when it was you.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You were only what.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
The media said about you, you know, and there wasn't
somebody recording you around every corner. So these last ten
years have really changed because there's someone tracking you, and
there's someone trying to catch you on camera, and anything
that you say that can be interpreted the wrong way.
It can be deadly to you, but not just to
your campaign. It's like forever, you know. I mean, I
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order on the Starbucks app and I'm like, my name
is on there, what are they going to think of me?
I went into Kedova yesterday and the guy was like, oh,
I like your outfit.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
What do you do for a living?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
And I was like, oh, I'm a podcaster and he said,
is it what's the topic? Is there like a topic
and I said it's politics and he was like, oh,
are you affiliated with like a party or.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Or just politics in general?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
And I said I'm a Republican and he went oh.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
But he goes, you know what, I'll listen to it anyway,
so write it down.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I was like, Okay, all right, hopefully he's listening out
to it over but I like Chipotle a little bit.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
But I know, well, we don't want to insult him.
He's already struggling to come over to the Republican podcast side,
but I did. I said, I'll come back and see
what you think of it. So I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
We're listening to a lot of conservative podcasts. I've been
listening to the people that they tell me how to
listen to.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
You know, I grew up liking Kanye's music, so I
you know, I still kind of am the Russell Westbrook
meme eating the chips listening to his new music as
they tell me not to.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
It's really important. I think Gavin Newsome and Steven A.
Smith and all these.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Left of center guys bringing on the conservatives. It's Magan
for interesting conversations. You know, I really think that we're
more we're all humans, like we're all Americans, we're all Michiganders.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
We're not as far apart as people.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
And a lot of times it's like you're you know,
really close together, actually on on on issues that the
majority of people are against. And now we think about
we go back to the conversations about economic developed and
subsidy and tax capture. Mike Duggan calls it a discount,
which is a really good right way to frame it
(33:07):
so people.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Will support, you know, allow large.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Companies and billionaires get discounts on the tax revenues generated
off large projects.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
And the buildings that they build. Tuoter.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
You know, I do wonder though, as Democrats were arguing
with me over tipped wage. You know, you want to
take the side of the worker. You want to take
the side of you know, unpaid leave. What happens, you know,
if all these small businesses are no longer to say, well,
(33:45):
if if the business can't afford to pay somebody a
living wage, then that doesn't sound.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Like a business to me.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
And I asked them, I asked them, well, do you
just want Amazon and Jeff Bezos land and target, you know,
like we because those are the going to be the
many people that are able to provide the you know,
forty hours sickly even and these these benefits, and so
a lot of the issues really just horseshoe right back into.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
The other you saw.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Dylan Wegelaw and Steve Kara introduced legislation that I'm not
sure what the status legislation is, but to ban lawmakers
signing no discussion agreements when crafting legislation.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Likes sore, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, because then you don't as a taxpayer, you don't
if they have a non disclosure, then you don't know
what your money is going to. But let me just
I know I'm getting I'm a little over time, but
I want to get to this because I want to
ask your opinion. You have Doug In saying that these
big corporations are getting discounts. That's a nice way of
saying that they aren't paying taxes, which seems odd because
(34:54):
all I keep hearing from Democrats is.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
We're going to raise the corporate tax rate because you
have to pay your fair share.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
But then the corporations that have lots of money are
getting a tax break. Mom and pop who owned the
restaurant are getting screwed.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I mean, they everything.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Would say, don't group me in with those Democrats. I'm
not a Democrat anymore. You got to ask you them.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Well, but okay, regardless, it doesn't matter party, because I agree.
I think that these corporations have gotten tax breaks for
a long time, but it hasn't worked in the state.
You know, if you look at it, our main street
is dead, and then you've got these big corporate entities
that are kind of like sucking off the teat of Michigan.
And there's not going to be any more people to
(35:40):
suck off of if every little small business can't survive anymore.
And when we talk about you know, it's funny because
the paid leave. I was like, what are the small
businesses who aren't paying paid leave? And I was out
at at lunch one day and this woman said, I
work for Consumers, And another lady looked at her and
she said, oh, you must love it there. You get
such great benefits. And she said, I'm only in my
(36:01):
fourth year, so I don't get benefits. And I said,
what do you mean And she said, they don't hire
you on as a full time employee until you're fifth year,
so I'm a contractor. And I was like, oh my gosh,
you're the person. You're the person who doesn't get paid leave,
You're the person that doesn't get insurance. This is no
health and no benefits at all.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
And I was like, the people who are are paying politicians.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Here, You've got this big corporate entity who is not
actually hiring people on And it was like this moment
where I thought, that is so upsetting to hear that
this big corporation is skirting its responsibility of giving its
employees the.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Benefits that they deserve.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
And you've got mom and pop restaurant next door who's saying, Hey,
I have girls that work here on a Friday and
Saturday night and they make eighty dollars an hour and
they don't have to work the rest of the week
and their husband's work and they can stay home with
the kids during the week. And now they won't make
eighty dollars an hour because they're going to be at
this capped wage. Consequences. But when unintended consequences happen, then
(37:03):
we have to come together. And we're so divided.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah, I do think that.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
In Michigan we tend to come together more than we
don't know. I mean, I know am grateful for the
folks that make that happen. It's interesting out here where
we you know, go left, we go right. But at
the end of the day, we're all just people in
the world living.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
So that's why I wanted to have you on because
I'm like, oh, he seems really genuine.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Like I think when you put stuff out it's you.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
I try to be honest.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
And that's the biggest thing is, you know, the Detroit
one million we're talking about a generation of Michigan is
growing up in a state without a city with a
million people.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
If you look at it map of the United.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
States, you'll see the cities or the states rather that
have cities of a million people, the states that don't
tell the story. Detroit is the only city in America, Tutor,
to ever lose a million people. Doing it all from
first person perspective, talking to you, do you know, competing
with the free press and the news and gong were
and mers for you know, Lancing News, City Council, Detroit scoops.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Doing it in a way Tutor, that's just here. I am.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
I'm Sam Robinson, the first person you're gonna, you know,
hear my voice, hear the things that I think about
when you know people are talking. And I really think
that's the future is being really honest about where you
are doing news.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
You know, be honest about your own biases.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
What is Detroit one million? Tell people what exactly it is.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
It's my own website dot com Detroit one million. You know,
it's a journalism project that I started in December really
only because the free per of the news didn't want
my Mary Sheffield went to a Trump party story and
I knew that was gonna be a big thing in Detroit.
Mary Sheffield is our city council president. She is running
for mayor. Some would say she is the lead. She's
the front runner to become the mayor this fall in
(38:54):
Detroit to replace Dougan.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
She went to a holiday party that was Trump themed.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Person that hosts the party every year as an annual
holiday party put on by an event planner here in Measure, Detroit.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
She decided to go to the party.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
I didn't have anywhere else to publish it, so I
decided to go on substack Onto substack man. A lot
of us laid off and sort of disaffected journalists are
landing on substack and realizing that they're taking care of us.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
It's been really fun. I appreciate everyone that has signed
up so far. Truly, Guys like.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
You're literally allowing for news and information to be distributed
to you in a way that if you were not
supporting it, it wouldn't exist. And so it's been a
surreal feeling so far. And that's what I tell people.
I say, it's kind of like a Detroit version of
Mercer Going, or kind of an insidery thinking about young people.
(39:50):
I'm always centering young people in the stories and thinking
about the future. So we're going to talk about AI
and crypto and all of the things that people that
are under thirty or even under forty, born after nineteen
seventy five even might be able to appreciate, because you know,
(40:11):
you know, it's sort of this gerontocracy that we live in.
The news is paid for by that garontoxy.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
The people that are senior.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Even old people like me, could find something there.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
They all tutor You can find plenty at Detroit one million.
It really is.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
I try to take an interesting look at these stories
that are the biggest stories in Michigan, polity.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
So how do people They sign up at the website
and then that they can support you financially too, right,
they can.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
It's eight dollars a month.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
There's a founding member version where you can get but
eight dollars a month is all you need to get
behind the paywall. Some of the stories that I do
a weekly free read is a roundup of everything in
the world, not just politics, but pop culture and sports
as well, and taking a look at what's going on
across Michigan, you know, all over the state, not just Detroit,
but really reframing Detroit as like the cultural center of
(41:05):
the state.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Which you know, I think it is.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, I mean I went.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I was there for my daughter's basketball or volleyball tournament
a few weeks ago, and I was on the people
mover and I was like, I mean, there is so
much cool stuff that people don't know about. So I
think that's what's critical and that's really what draws me
to you. So for anybody out there, I think that
you would really enjoy it. Detroit one million if you
go there, because this is someone Sam is someone who
(41:32):
is doing this because it's genuine. He loves the city,
he loves getting the message out. He loves the state
and that's why I want to have you on. So
I want to say thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Thank you so much. All strikes too.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
It's a nonpartisan you know, we're not going to put
on my own political spin and bias on it.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Which we all know that all reporters have.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
We can stop pretending that reporters don't have personal, you know,
feelings on issues. They do, but that's not in there. Tudor,
thank you so much for having me on your show.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Here absolutely okay.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Remember it's Sam Robinson, It's Detroit one million. Thank you
so much, Thanks Judor, and thank you all for listening
to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
For this episode and others.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Go to Tutor dixonpodcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts and join us next time.
Have a blessed day.
Host
Tudor Dixon
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