February 7, 2025 • 43 mins
In this episode, Tudor and Zachary Levi discuss the significance of Bobby Kennedy's appointment and the political reactions surrounding it. They delve into the MAHA movement, emphasizing the need for a healthier America and the role of parents in questioning health decisions. The conversation also touches on vaccine safety, corporate accountability, and the impact of modern living on human biology, highlighting the importance of transparency and informed consent in health matters. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We have Zachary Levi
back with us today because as we're watching everything that
is going on in Washington, d C. I think we
would be remiss if we didn't have you on to
talk about what's happening with Bobby Kennedy RFK. You've all
seen him being I guess I would say lambasted and
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attacked by these senators. I mean, Elizabeth Warren was pretty
hilarious when she was going after him.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
But I just want to say that there's a reason.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
He's there, and it's because people like Zachary Levi believe
in him. So I want to say welcome and thank
you for coming back on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Thank you, it's so good to see you.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I always love talking to you, and particularly about things
that are important, and Bobby's important.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yes, this appointment is important.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
This, this moment in human history is important, you know.
I think I think what's really fascinating is that a
lot of these senators, like Elizabeth Warren, like even Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Who.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
You know, I don't agree with a lot of Bernie's
thoughts or policy ideas or whatever. We're on very different spectrum,
different sides of the spectrum of capitalism to socialism or
whatever all that is. But I've always found him to
be at least someone who kind of, you know, walks
to the beat of his own drum, even within his
own party, and is willing to even by the way
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he posted on socials, you know, weeks leading up to this,
lambasting this interrogation, talking about the importance of very Marshall.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Oh my god, he got super.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Emotional, and as did Elizabeth Warrening, you know, but a
lot of it I go how much is this is real?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
And how much of this is show?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Because you know, you hear stories of people that were
sitting there in the audience, and Bernie was, you know,
very passionate when he's talking, but he was barely paying
attention when anybody else was talking to to Bobby Kennedy. Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And it just it bums me out, because like, I
really want I want to like Bernie.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I want to like him. I want to I even again,
even though I don't agree with a lot of what
he's he's about policy wise, I wanted to believe that
he is the guy that he kind of pretends portends
to be, or that he puts himself out there to
be and when he starts going off about corruption, and
I loved that Bobby didn't pull any punches in that moment.
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He goes, listen, if we want to talk about corruption,
everyone on this panel right now has taken money from
pharmaceutical companies.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
In fact, you're number one. He's like, oh, no, no, no, no,
no Ah. I knew you were going to say it.
I knew you were going to say this.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
These were individuals, these were not the botaceutical companies.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But it's not true. That's simply not true. He and
so many other senators, by the way, on both sides
of the aisle, are.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Taking massive amounts of money from special interest and this
is one of the biggest problems that we have. This
is why we're in the pickle that we're in right now.
Why do we need to make America healthy again? It's
because it used to be healthy and then big industry
got in there and was like, well, how can we
make more money?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well? Can we do do it?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
What you're pointing out is so funny to me, because
the whole reason they were attacking him was like, are
you going to sue? Are you going to personally benefit?
It wasn't about what he said about health. There was
a conversation about vaccines. There was a conversation about making money.
It wasn't about man. Thank you for pointing out food
dies are bad. Hey, it's good to know that we
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might have a food system that hasn't been fully vetted
by the FDA. Thanks for talking about this stuff. And
maybe vaccines shouldn't have this immunity. But I have a
couple of clips I want to play from Elizabeth Warren.
The first one actually is going to be for our
producer John. It's going to be the I want to
play the one about the donations because I think this
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shows how sort of innocent Bobby.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Kennedy was in this in his just wanting to.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Get the right message, the MAHA message forward. So this
is her talking about him getting donations.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Here it is commit that when you leave this job,
you will not accept compensation from a drug company, a
medical device company, a hospital system, or a health insurer
for at least four years, including as a lobbyist or
a board member.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Can you just repeat the last part of the question
of commitm You're not.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Going to take money from drug companies in any way,
shape or me.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yes, you I'm happy to commit to that. That's what
I figured.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
I said, it's an easy question to start with, and
I think you're right on this.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I don't think any of them want to give me money,
by the way, let's keep that's the beauty of it. No,
this is the guy that they don't want to give
men do.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
That's so ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
It is absolutely I mean, I'm glad they all got
to laugh about it, and I'm glad that Diane Warren
was at least somewhat kind of light and jovial in that.
I don't understand why she would even waste her time
asking a question that is so rhetorically stupid.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I will tell you why going.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
After these people? Why would it Why would he ever
be involved in any of that?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
It doesn't make.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Any sense because that's how Washington works. That's and that's
the sick twisted part about this. The reason they ask
these questions is because it's happened before. It's like when
you say, why does the X ray machine at the
airport say not to put your kid through it?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Because someone put their kid through it?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You know, because someone made money off of their position
having been the Secretary of Health and Human Services or
being the secretary of education. You know, there's somebody who
has has done something corrupt in the system to make money,
and that's.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Why she has to ask that question. How ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Well, what the irony is that she's one of the
people making that money?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
So I don't like it seems very very silly.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
If I'm her or Bernie or anybody else, I would
not want to be talking about any of that stuff.
I'd be like, no, no, no, no, we don't need to
talk about that. But but I will say I will
say this that for all of their grandstanding and everything,
and by the way, and this is true of not
just Bobby but also Tulci, I think they both held
their ground so beautifully they are and you.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Can see it. They are people of integrity. This is
why I.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Gravitated toward them and believed in them from day one,
because I'm like, this is who leadership is supposed to be.
This is what the heart and mind and character of
a leader is supposed to be. Someone that is willing
to have the grace and integrity to sit there, get
lamb basted, and hold their ground and not give in to.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
All of this, all of this, this this show and
this theater.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
But more than that, I think it's very important and
and a lot of people have made this point, Nicole Shanahan,
who I just think is fantastic because she recently made
a video and posted this to kind of reiterate this.
But Maha, which is the movement that got me into
the MAGA, or you know whatever, going and supporting Donald
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Trump should not have anything to do with partisan anything.
It should be entirely bipartisan. This is people wanting to
make America healthy again.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
You can argue what makes America great again? People do
that all the time.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
There's people that are like, well, what does making it
great again mean? If it's going to mean that, you
know this is and the other thing. Okay, fine, we
can get lost in those details. But no, there's no
question about what is healthy and what is not healthy.
And everyone on both sides of the aisle, as far
as us, the constituents, the.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Voters, no, we all kind of know.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I know, I have very liberal friends and very conservative friends,
and all of them are like, I.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Know, right, the food's poisoning us. Right.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
You can go to another country and you can eat
bread and it doesn't make your stomach swell up to
great proportions. But if you come back here and you
eat any amount of gluten that's covered in all the
g life, in all the nonsense, you start feeling ill.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
We all see it and we all know it.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
And so Maha really was, I fully believe, a massive
part and I think you would probably agree with this,
most people would was a massive part of why Donald
Trump got elected. So for these senators to be screwing
around with it and somehow not be like, Okay, listen
to all the appointments of all the reasons why this
guy got elected, by the way, in the majority, we
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should not be screwing around with Bobby Kennedy or Tulci
Gabbart for that matter. Right, And so for Nicole Shanahan
to make that video, I don't know if you saw it,
but she basically on.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Social on Instagram and ex and whatever. She said very
very kind. She's so sweet too. She's got just that.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Sweet kind of disposition about her, and she's like, she's like,
you know, a lot of people don't know this, but
I gave a lot of money to the Democratic Party,
and I helped Chuck Schumer and.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Other people get elected.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
And if any of these senators turn their back on
the health of America and they do not appoint Bobby Kennedy.
I will personally fund campaigns to primary them and get
them out of office.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And that's beautiful powerful.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
It's so powerful.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
That was I was actually on Fox Business talking about this,
and Liz MacDonald was like, well, what do you think
is going to happen if they don't make it even
out of committee. You know, it could be that RFK
and Tulsa don't make it out of committee. And I said,
I think it's going to be a very hard life
for those Republican senators because there are going to be
a lot of Republicans. It'll be the Republicans that people
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are the most mad at because they're the ones that
came out and said this is who we want and independence.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I believe independence too.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I think there's a good portion of the country that
will say we will work hard to get the people
who refuse to allow us to have strong national intelligence
and refuse to allow us to have healthy kids. Because
I see these Maha moms that come out and they're like,
I mean, you posted one where one of the I
think she was a pediatrician, said I was being told
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my kids were going to be on life long medications.
Then I started to research on my own.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
And this is a physician. To me, that's the most powerful.
A physician who said.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
I don't know if I want my kids on these
lifelong meds. We changed our diet and their whole life changed. Well,
I want that too. I want somebody talking to me
about that. I want somebody. I mean when I had cancer,
when my dad had cancer, there was not even a
this is how you should eat on the American Cancer
Society website, and that's all changed.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
It's like this movement has made the entire industry nervous
in a good way.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Oh yeah, I mean listen, hell hath no fury like
a Maha mom's scorn.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
That's right, Yeah, because you are This.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Is not just screwing around with individuals. You're not just
screwing around with a single man or a single woman.
These are parents, and you know, as a parent of
four daughters, the mama bear in you for you to
not be getting answers, for things to not be getting better,
to be looking at the statistics that, like, you know whatever,
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not even that long ago it was one in one
hundred thousand kids had autism, and now in a few
years they're projecting it'll be.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
One in three, right, and why can't we research that?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Well?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Actually, that goes into this other Elizabeth Warrenklip that I
wanted to show you because I want to talk about
what she says about vaccine and the vaccine company's immunity,
which is kind of bananas.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
But let's watch this and then we'll look at that.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
This is not only about a private company that gets
sued and has to pay out. Vaccine manufacturers often operate
on very slim profit margins. If they get sued repeatedly
and successfully, they simply move out of the vaccine space.
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We've already seen this happen with vaccines in the past.
Twenty years ago, we watched vaccines just move away if
they did not have protection from these kinds of lawsuits.
The consequence of mister Kennedy's ability to make those lawsuits
easier is also the ability to shut down access and
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manufacturing for vaccines. For every one of.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Us protect the company over the people, because we know
there are so many people who have been injured and
they have no voice.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
It makes me so angry, It makes me so angry
for so many reasons, but it is so intellectually dishonest.
If there was any other company making any other product,
you wouldn't be sitting there and defending their ability to
not be sued for creating a bunk product.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
It's exactly what I thought of this morning as I
was watching that clip. I was thinking, because we used
to make steel castings, and I was thinking, if I
made a casting that went out in the field and
every caterpillar tractor broke and someone were injured, it comes
to back to me, and there is no protection for
me because I screwed up. Why can people have terrible
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lifelong reactions and even death and they have no recourse.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, well, that's not how this country was built. This
country was built on responsibility. You have to take responsibility,
which is what gives us our freedom. Right, Like you're
in the most traditional sense, Like that's what liberty is.
You're allowed to go and create a company, and if
you make a great product, people will want that product.
If you make a product that is not safe and
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therefore a you know, let's say not one hundred percent
of the time, Let's say you make these castings and
not every Caterpillar tractor breaks down, but thirty percent of
them do.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Well, guess what that's on you?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
That is on you to go then make a better
product that is not on the government, and then protect
you so that you can keep making a product that's
making every at least thirty percent of the tractor's breakdown.
And then the people who bought those tractors have no
recourse whatsoever. Like this is absolutely insanity. It is absolutely insanity.
I can't believe that these are even conversations that we're
tolerating right well.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And there are a lot of people that feel like
that stops the research into well, why is SIDS happening
more often?
Speaker 5 (14:15):
It?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Can we determine whether it's happening after certain vaccines? And
again it's not every kid, But why are we okay
with it being some kids?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
You know?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Why can't we have that conversation and maybe we have
studies that show that that is not that autism is
not coming from vaccines, but it has gone up. Is
it coming from food dies? Is it coming you know what? Ara,
why can't we find out? Because these companies are protected
and that I feel strongly about the companies have more
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protection now than the people that consume the product.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Yeah, and listen, I've watched enough now of various lawyers
and doctors talking about the subjects. There has not been
all of the studies that we thought had been done
for you years and years and years about vaccine efficacy
and safety. By the way, not just those, but other
drugs and whatever.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
We think that it's all being done.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
We think, well, clearly, we have an FDA and a
CDC and all of it, right, we have all these
three letter agencies that are supposed to be regulatority and
making sure that we're safe. Well, it turns out that
that has not been going on. We have, we do
not have the studies. They're not there. That's the truth.
Now to your point, what does that mean? I don't
know all Bobby's asking for and me along with Bobby
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and a lot of other people that are supporting Bobby transparency.
May we let light be the greatest disinfectant, and may
we all be able because that is informed consent. If
we do not actually have all the information that's not
informed consent, which is against HIPPAA regulations, there's no reason
why any of us should be subjected to this. More
than that certainly not every child who gets vaccinated comes
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down with you know, any number of the things. By
the way, the fine print of all of the side
of that are in these vaccines, right, not all of
them come down with X. But that doesn't mean not
all of them don't come down with something right like
autoimmune diseases, allergies, Like why why do all of us
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have even as adults, Like you know, there are so
many problems in our metabolic health.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
And this is not because.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Of as far as I know, anything other than the
things that we're putting into our bodies. And also there's
other things that people should really be talking about. And
I think I'm looking forward to the conversation starting to
happen more, which is about like our mitochondria, our circadian rhythm,
the amount of blue light and EMF that we're putting
into our bodies. Like, you know, for a long time,
like almost all of these things, people go, you're a
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nutjob conspiracy theorist, timfoil hatware in person. Well, guess what, guys,
The data keeps coming out, and the data keeps showing
that a lot of these things are very true, and
it makes a total a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
We came up as hunter gatherer versions of ours for
thousands and thousands of years.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
It's only in the last one hundred two hundred maybe
that we live in this world with artificial light that
allows us to stay.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Up well beyond when we ever actually stayed up.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
And by the way end, that light went from being
a on the red spectrum infrared heat spectrum, which is good,
healthier light. So this not to go on too much
of a tangent, but when the sun rises in the morning,
which is when we're supposed to get up, this is
the normal natural habit of a human being and most
all other animals. The sun rises, it's almost exclusively red
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infrared heat light. So when you look at the sunrise,
you can tell it's like it's very orangey red.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Right. Well, then as it starts.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Getting up to the noon to the midday sky and sun,
it's got a lot more ultraviolet.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
We all know this.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
That's why you start getting more tan and all these things.
It's ultraviolet light that's coming down. And then as it
goes back down and it goes to the sunset, the
ultraviolet rays and the blue frequency kind of turns off
and it goes back to a red and then it
goes away. And then after that went down, the only
things we had for again thousands of years were campfires
and maybe a few lanterns.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
That were flame, and that was all red, that was
all heat.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
We have introduced into our systems a thing that never
existed for us, which is this constant ultraviolet blue light
in all of our screens. This wonderful technology that we
have that we're talking on right now. And I think
there's a way to embrace all of these things and
also be smart enough to not allow it to be
hijacking our own biochemistry so that it's making a sicker
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and I believe that it is. But just really quickly
on the Diane Warren of it all, one of the
things he says in that clip, I just cannot, I cannot.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And will not stand for, which is.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
These vaccine companies are operating in the smallest of.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Margins right right. That is absolutely absurd. It is absurd.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
They are making billions of dollars and over fist and
that's not just the COVID vaccine, which obviously they made
billions of dollars on all of these vaccines, and.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
They're all forced on every child.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
You can't even go to a pediatrician and say, hey,
you know, I might want to quit. I have some
questions about this. Can we can we roll this out slower?
Can we delay it? Can I not vaccinate my children
at all?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You know? Can we do these things? Pediatricians will kick
you out of their practice.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, oh yes, and why because they have quotas that
they need to make if they want to get the
bonuses that the pharmaceutical companies, the vaccine manufacturers pay them.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I mean, if this is not conflict of interest, I
don't know what is.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. Now, I think that this movement
that Bobby Kennedy started, and I really think it just
took off because people were so hungry for answers for
why they are so unhealthy, why they're tired, why their
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body hurts? Because it just our parents didn't feel like this.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Why do we feel like this?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Like we're the generation that can remember people not living
like this and not being all overweight. You know, we
can remember as kids going to the beach and everybody
being healthy, and we have questions, you know. Then this
movement came along, and I think parents started to say,
why haven't I questioned more?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
You know, because I did.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I mean, we talked before this, and my girls are
now pre teens and teenagers. And I look back and
I just blindly went in and there was one thing
that I did that I fully regret. That is when
my one of my kids was little. She was one
of my more challenging kids. And the doctor was like, oh,
it's probably because she's constipated. And kid, that's when kids
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are constipated. They let that out in being frustrated and anxious,
and so give her a laxative and put it in
her food, and this is the healthy thing to do.
And I blindly was like, gosh, this must be the
answer because I was in this mode.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
The doctor knows so much better than me.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
And then I read all these studies afterwards saying like
this can increase their anxiety, it can cause them changes
in their personality for life, and I was like, there
are so many other ways to get some if and
I don't even know if she was constipating. It just
too little to tell me. Yeah, I've constipated. So I'm like, why.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I look back, and I think that.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Me and many other parents started to hear Bobby Kennedy talking,
and we went, Wow, why aren't we allowed to ask?
Why aren't we allowed to question? Why aren't we saying more?
And to your point about the lights. I think I've
talked about this before on the podcast, but I was
at an event a couple of years ago where there
was a National Geographic photographer and he was a night photographer,
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and he was saying that the light that we have
at night, this bright white light, is such a problem.
They've started this campaign to try to get even big cities.
I think Indianapolis might be one that agreed to go
back to yellow light because if you do you think, like,
if you think about what the reason is, imagine what
it's doing to us, because it is changing the migratory
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patterns of birds and bees, so bees are no longer pollinating.
Our food supply is in jeopardy because of the white
lights that we have all around the globe and all
around this nation. And you go to these big you know,
Vegas and all these cities that are just lit up
all the time. If it's screwing up the animals, how
can it not be screwing up us?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
We are animals. Yes, at the end, of the day.
We have.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Beautiful, wonderful and still very you know, earth, human biology
in us that has been behaving in certain ways, again
depending on you know, some people have different ideas of
when the universe was created or whatever. But we're still
looking at thousands of years, thousands of years of our
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bodies operating in a very specific way based on our environment.
That was our natural, God given environment. And we as
we are wont to do. As humans, we like to
play God. We like to go and create new things.
And I don't think that we should stop. I think
that that's part of the beauty of being a human being.
God gave us this ability to ask why and then
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go and act on the why, and oh wow, we
can go and we can build this new thing that
helps us to do this and do that and whatever.
But what we didn't realize a long time ago is
that every single time we go and create a thing
that perhaps might make life easier, Oh look at this
bright light, it'll keep us up, It'll it'll allow us
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to work longer. Right, Well, we didn't know the downstream
effects of that. I mean, it's similar, you know, the
silly things that we've done. You know, if you've ever
been to Hawaii? I don't know, but I remember the
first time I went to Hawaii. I was on this,
you know, not a tour, but like I had like
a like a cassette tape and it was like A
had a cassette tape back in then, and I put
it in my in the in the stereo of the
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of the jeep I was driving, and it's giving me
all these little factoids about Hawaii. And one of the
factoids was and one of the factoids was, did you
know that there are no you know, native of snakes
in Hawaii?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
That's that's cool.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
What did you also know that there were no rats
here until the rats came over on the ships and
then we brought rats into the Hawaiian islands. Oh okay,
that's but then we thought, oh, you know, what you
know will be a smart idea. We'll go and get
We'll go get mongooses or mung goose, I don't know, mongese.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Monkeys there you go, there, you go.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
We'll go get mongys and we'll bring them to the
islands and then they'll hunt all the rats. The problem
was nobody's even bothered to ask themselves when are their
sleeping patterns the mongoose and the rat.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
One of them is nocturnal and the other is not.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
So then we didn't have mongoose monkeys hunting the rats.
We just had a whole bunch of warm rats that
a whole bunch of mongoos that had known natural predators.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Because this is what we do, right, We introduce.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
These invasive species of plant and animal all over the
world thinking we got it, we know what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
And the same is true, not that exact correlation.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
The same is true of us thinking we got it,
We're going to go create this new thing and it's
going to be great, and not even recognizing that we
could very well be doing something very detrimental to us,
to our children, to all of society downstream.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Well I think that we I mean, just listening to
these hearings, I think it's a we got it moment
where it's like, I'm right, this is a human issue.
And this has been really eye opening because to me,
this is one of the most fascinating elections I've ever watched,
because this is a coming together of people who you
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would never think would come together, and it is beyond us.
So just like coming up with the solution of what
to do with rats and Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
This is beyond us.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I think that people see what happened, and if you're Christian,
I think you look at it and you go, my gosh,
Donald Trump was shot, It missed him, his head moved.
It's impossible. There had to have been God involved. And
then honestly, Bobby Kennedy runs at that exact time on
a message that he felt like since he was little.
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He says he prayed from the time he was a
kid or a young adult, well.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
He was all you got twenty years about twenty years.
Every day he's been praying for this to.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Put me into a position where I can affect health.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
And in his mind, this is the fascinating thing about
how God works to me. In his mind that is
that he's going to be president. But we don't always
know what's best. No, let me put you in charge
of health and human services. Like you focus here, this
is what you've been studying, this is what you know.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Let me put you where where you are meant to be.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
And I bring this all up because you posted something
on X the other day about a new series I
think coming out on Prime called House of David, which
is the same story of not the guy anybody thought
was going to be the leader, right, but here he
is this shepherd that God was like, no, that's the guy,
and people were like, I don't think so, no, no,
trust me, that's the guy, just like Donald Trump, unusual,
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not who a lot of people thought would end up
being president first time and certainly the second time. There
were a lot of people who thought they could stop
him from being president, but that wasn't their choice.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
And I find that fascinated.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
So I just wanted to ask if you could tell
us a little bit about the House of David.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah, well, so at President I'm not involved with it.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Those are my friends over at the Wonder Project, John Irwin,
and then also John Gunn, who is the writer director
of a film that I did called The Unbreakable Boy,
which I'd love to talk about.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah. I talking about that too.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
But the House of David is this, I mean, the
trailer is all I've seen, and it's what and it's
what we've and by we I mean anyone like me
who is a lover of the story of David and
who's been waiting for someone to create something this epic
about that because it's deserving, you know, I think. I mean, obviously,
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the the story of Jesus is the most famous in
the Bible, but just below that, to me is the
story of David, and in some ways even more because
it's Old Testament, and it's like, it really is about this,
you know, like you were saying, this person that nobody thought, like,
why why you've got all these other sons, these all
these other kids, more more experienced, Why aren't they supposed
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to be the king and God? You know, it's like, no,
it's that kid right there that's minding his own business,
tending to the sheep and uh. And also you know
there's something that in the first they're they're just filming
the second season. Now the first season is what's about
drop on Amazon. So it's much more his younger years.
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But as any of us who know the story, no,
I mean, it's it's not a it's not like this
rainbows and butterflies. And you know, David was a complicated
human being and did a lot of not great stuff,
and yet was still a man after God's own heart,
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just like all of us exactly. And I think that's
one of the reasons why the story is so powerful
because it's a story of redemption and recognizing that we
can step into a lot of darkness. And that doesn't
mean that God has somehow abandoned us. It doesn't mean
that God is how I was saying, oh, that's it.
You know, you made, you made, you made a really
bad wrong turn. And now it's over, and I can
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no longer reside within you or around you. Like you know,
it's a it's an incredible story of redemption and God's
grace and love and power and you know, and and
I think the and the heart of Dave to recognize
that when he went astray in very big ways in
adultery and murder and all that, you know, I mean,
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it's it's a it's a gnarly story. And I think
that unfortunately, for a long time, within let's say Christian
filmmaking or content creation, there hasn't been a very high
quality of it. First and foremost, you know, I think
there's been this kind of leaning on the message as
if that's enough, like well, you know, as long as
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we got that. I don't know why I always go
southern with this, but just better with me, I don't know,
you know, as long as the message is good, then
the people are going to love it.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
You know, we just got to get the message out there.
And it's like, no, that's not true.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
That is not true because we're all accustomed to watching
really great films. So when we're watching a not great
film or a not great series, we feel it and
we're like, I mean, I want to I want to
support this because I think it's a good message, but
why didn't you take the time to actually do it right?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Right?
Speaker 4 (30:54):
So I think in all of us, whether your secular
audience or a faith based audience, we all want great
we all want excellence, and I think that's what God
calls us to first and foremost. But also you got
to have the balls, the hutzpah, the courage to go
actually tell the story accurately.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
And I think a.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Lot of people are like, oh, we know that's the story,
but we don't want to you know that that's.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Getting a little too dark for us.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I'm like, well, I'm sorry, then, then why do you
even read the Bible? And why do you even read
the story in the Bible? Like it's there, it's in
the pages. And by the way, that's one of many, many,
many stories that's got a lot of darkness in it,
and you don't just pull those punches when you don't
just edit those parts out.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
When you're reading scripture.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
That's part of it, and that's an important part of
it because that's what redeems. If you don't have all
of that, all of that, that the muck and the
mayre that you got to trudge through, then where is
the redemptive side of it? If everything is just cool,
then there's no redemption. Everything's just cool all the time.
So anyway, Yeah, I'm very excited for those guys.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
And.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
You know, I've been jokingly prodding them, like guys, you know,
eventually David's got to grow up, so you know, David, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I'm not great weird for nothing, Yeah, exist exactly.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
But but I I just I love that whole team
over there, Jeremy Latcham and John Irwin and like I said,
John Gunn, who I got the pleasure of working with
on Unbreakable Boy, just really talented folks and with big vision.
And I commend Amazon MGM yeah for recognizing the importance
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of content like this.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
You know, I know that was what I thought was great.
I'm like, oh, this is so exciting.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I keep hearing like base stories of faith are really popular.
Right now, I'm like, well, let's keep them popular. Let's
take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on a
Tutor Dixon podcast. Let's talk about Unbreakable Boy. Because I
saw the trailer. I think the most the whole trailer
was amazing, and yet I'm still like, Okay, what is
(32:59):
the full story behind the boy? But there's a point
when you're the father in the film, and there's a
point when you say, I think it's I wish I
could find as much joy in something as my son
finds in everything. And I just think, boy, that as
a parent hits so hard because it's true. There's moments
where you're just like, I'm in awe of them.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Yeah, yeah, So man, I'm so proud of this movie.
I'm I'm I'm not not to poo poo any of
my past projects, which I'm also very proud of all
of them. But there's something very specifically special, uniquely special
about this film. Very God breathed it was. You know,
I was basically the long and the short of it,
(33:43):
of the kind of impetus behind it was. So I
was on track, I was we were in in pre
production on American Underdog, the film where I played America
or Kurt Warner, the quarterback, and we were trying to
make that happened before the end of twenty twenty, but
the pandemic hit and everything went crazy, and Lionsgate the
(34:07):
studio was like, hey, listen, this is a twenty five
million dollar budget, and that's a lot of money to
roll the dice on and gamble during the pandemic because
we don't know what protocols are going to be. We
don't know if we get shut down, and we can't
afford that. And so, you know, all of us hadn't
been working.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I'm like.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Just like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, trying to
keep my finances going because I'm building out this ranch
and studio and community in Austin, and I was spending
money very liberally, thinking that I was about to have,
you know, a bunch of jobs all lined up, and
then you know, somebody ate a bat in China and
then there we were, and so I'm like, oh my gosh,
(34:47):
Like I was really really banking on this job, and
I knew that all of the crew were banking on
the job, because none of us had been working. So
when the Irwins called me and they said, hey, listen, Zach,
we got some bad news. We are going to have
to push American Underdog into twenty twenty one. I said, hey, listen, guys,
I totally understand that this is outside of your control
(35:09):
and that this is a lions Gate call, but I'd
be lying if I didn't tell you how incredibly bummed
I am that we're doing this, Because basically, we had
all been told, hey, it's a go, it's a green light,
we're making this movie, and so you get everybody all
revved up, and then it's like eh, and then carpet pool,
and so I was like, listen, it's breaking my heart.
(35:30):
Like I love you guys, and I can't wait to
do American Underdog, but the fact that we now have
to wait another I mean, at that point another eight
months in order to get back to work is really
really breaking my heart. And the Irwins, those boys, to
their credit, they said, okay, hold on, let us.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
See what we can do.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
And they went back to Lionsgate and they said, here's
the situation. We want to do right by our cast
and our crew, and we want to get everybody back
to work.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
What can we do? And Lionsgate, to their credit, said, if.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
You guys can give us a movie that's ten million
dollars in below, you know, a smaller budget that we
can run, you know, roll the dice on.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
And Zach says, yes to it.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Will green light that movie and you can get into
production by by you know, October November. And so the
boys at at Kingdom Story, John and Irwin, they sent
me log lines for like half a dozen films and
I read them all and the Unbreakable Boy just jumped
out to me. It was like God saying, like, this
is the.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Movie you need to go make. And the movie is
very slice of life.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
It's it's a true story about this this family, the
Lorette family, Scott and Teresa and their sons and Logan
and their oldest son, Austin. And Austin was born first.
He was he was the oldest, and he was born
and he was crying a lot. They weren't really sure
what was going on, and they had him tested after
a few years and it turned out he had osteogenesis imperfecta,
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which is brittle bones disease, which he got some of
those that from his mother and they were, you know,
obviously very devastated about that and that their son was
going through what he was going through, but they figured
out ways to kind of mitigate that and keep moving forward. Well, then,
after having their second son, who was seemingly healthy and normal,
their oldest son, Austin, started.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
To behave in let's say, atypical.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Ways, and then they went and had him tested and
it turned out that he had autism. And so the
story really is a true story about a family navigating
the waters of having a child on the autistic spectrum.
And I think that that is one of the most
apropos stories that we could be telling right now. I
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think that it is as we all know, autism is
something that is affecting and touches all of our lives.
Either we personally have it, our children have it, our
a friend has it, a friend's child has it.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
You know, it is ubiquitous at this point in human history.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
And those are children of God and ought to be
loved and appreciated, as I know that every child or
should be, and every parent.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Of an autistic child does their best to love their children.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
And this I've never seen or heard of a film
that represents this situation, more authentically, more beautifully, with more love,
and I just am very excited that we finally we
shot at the end of twenty twenty, and because of
the pandemic and people not really coming back to theaters
unless it was like some big ten pole movie, Binsgate
(38:33):
was like, we don't know what to do with this.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
We're gonna sit on it for a while.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
And then we weren't sure if they were ever gonna
not sit on it, and then they got They finally said,
all right, time to release it three years after when
it was supposed to be released. But I think that's
all about time. It's exactly it's all God's timing. And
I'm so grateful and I just really I'm just so
proud of it. I just think it's a really beautiful film,
(38:56):
and I think that I think that everyone who goes
to see it will feel that. I think that even
in the trailer people, I mean, the the amount of
my social media that gets filled with messages of grown
men and women, but I love the grown men who
are like I was watching this trailer and I started crying.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Yeah, I just started crying, you know.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
And and I and I think that that says a
lot about what this subject matter means to people, and
and and that this really is a matter of like
figuring seeing how to radically embrace every single aspect of
your life and your children's lives, and still fighting for them,
still looking for answers.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I mean, I just.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Read an article last night there there seems to be
this breakthrough treatment for autism, which is wonderful.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
You know, I do find it interesting that people not well,
it's interesting and sad.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
But you know, there's a lot of people that have
been coming after me, you know, talking about how somehow
I'm saying that you know, autism is is you know, bad,
or that we should you know, It's like, no, hang,
I'm not judging any one with autism in the same
way that I would never judge anyone who was born
missing a leg.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
I still wish that they would have that other leg.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
I still wish the children who were born with autism
didn't have to be born with autism or didn't somehow
get that along their journey, right.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I mean, we all know this is one of the
craziest things about.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
How we were being reprogrammed, Like somehow normal and healthy
isn't normal and healthy anymore?
Speaker 3 (40:24):
And it's really crazy. So but this movie, it doesn't
go into any of that.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
All it's about is about these two parents, Scott and Teresa,
who are on their own journey of their learning to
love themselves and love each other and figure out how
to best love and support their children. And I think
all of those things are completely universally applicable to everyone,
and now with autism, even that is very applicable to
almost all of us. And so I just it comes
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out February twenty First, I just for anyone out there
that's watching.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Right now, I implore you, I encourage you please go
watch this movie. I'm biased, obviously, but it is.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
It's a beautiful film, and it's also a film that
the whole family can watch, and I think that's important too, right.
You know, there's a lot of films now that it's like,
I don't know, can I take my family to that?
Speaker 3 (41:12):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
And I also don't think every movie needs to be that.
I'm perfectly happy with movies that are for adults only,
because we should have our content that is just for us, right,
and kids can have stuff that's just for kids.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
And then there's a whole spectrum.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Of stuff in between where we can all watch things together,
and I think that's a hallmark of some really great
quality entertain No.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
That's why when I watched the trailer, I was like,
this is such a good movie for any married couple
because I could just tell I'm like the struggles that.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
There's nothing is easy.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Life is not going to be easy if you think
life is going to be easy. My girlfriend used to
always talk about wanting movie love, and I'm like, this
is movie love.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
This is the true movie love.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
You get to see how hard life really is in
such a beautiful way. So I wanted to talk about
it because I saw it and I was like, this
looks amazing. So I thank you for making it so.
It'll be in theaters on February twenty first.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
In theaters and theaters and good all theaters that we
used to go to all the time.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah, yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
That's like I mean to me, you got to go
to the theater, get the popcorn, sit in the big theater,
watch the movie.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
So I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Thank you so much. I know I've kept you over,
but you are just so fun to talk to. Thank
you so much for coming on today. Zachary LEVI make
sure the Unbreakable Boy, Yes, the.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Unbreakable Boy in theaters February twenty first, Tell your friends,
tell your family, go see you together. To your point,
I think that going and seeing movies in the theater
there's something very not just special, but actually quite important
about it. It's where we all recognize how how alike
we are. You know, you could have a whole bunch
of Republicans and Democrats and libertarians and independence and people
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are different faiths and backgrounds, all sitting in a dark theater,
all laughing at the same jokes, all crying in the
same moments, and we go, oh wow, we aren't all
that different, you know.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
So I do think that theaters are important even.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
In that I agree. I agree.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Thank you so much, thanks for being on today.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Thank you so much. Always great to see you, Tutor.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
I have a great day you too, and thank you
all for listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
For this episode and others.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Go to iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get
your podcasts and join us next time. Have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We have Zachary Levi
back with us today because as we're watching everything that
is going on in Washington, d C. I think we
would be remiss if we didn't have you on to
talk about what's happening with Bobby Kennedy RFK. You've all
seen him being I guess I would say lambasted and
(00:22):
attacked by these senators. I mean, Elizabeth Warren was pretty
hilarious when she was going after him.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
But I just want to say that there's a reason.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
He's there, and it's because people like Zachary Levi believe
in him. So I want to say welcome and thank
you for coming back on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Thank you, it's so good to see you.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I always love talking to you, and particularly about things
that are important, and Bobby's important.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yes, this appointment is important.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
This, this moment in human history is important, you know.
I think I think what's really fascinating is that a
lot of these senators, like Elizabeth Warren, like even Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Who.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
You know, I don't agree with a lot of Bernie's
thoughts or policy ideas or whatever. We're on very different spectrum,
different sides of the spectrum of capitalism to socialism or
whatever all that is. But I've always found him to
be at least someone who kind of, you know, walks
to the beat of his own drum, even within his
own party, and is willing to even by the way
(01:31):
he posted on socials, you know, weeks leading up to this,
lambasting this interrogation, talking about the importance of very Marshall.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Oh my god, he got super.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Emotional, and as did Elizabeth Warrening, you know, but a
lot of it I go how much is this is real?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
And how much of this is show?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Because you know, you hear stories of people that were
sitting there in the audience, and Bernie was, you know,
very passionate when he's talking, but he was barely paying
attention when anybody else was talking to to Bobby Kennedy. Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And it just it bums me out, because like, I
really want I want to like Bernie.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I want to like him. I want to I even again,
even though I don't agree with a lot of what
he's he's about policy wise, I wanted to believe that
he is the guy that he kind of pretends portends
to be, or that he puts himself out there to
be and when he starts going off about corruption, and
I loved that Bobby didn't pull any punches in that moment.
(02:30):
He goes, listen, if we want to talk about corruption,
everyone on this panel right now has taken money from
pharmaceutical companies.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
In fact, you're number one. He's like, oh, no, no, no, no,
no Ah. I knew you were going to say it.
I knew you were going to say this.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
These were individuals, these were not the botaceutical companies.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But it's not true. That's simply not true. He and
so many other senators, by the way, on both sides
of the aisle, are.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Taking massive amounts of money from special interest and this
is one of the biggest problems that we have. This
is why we're in the pickle that we're in right now.
Why do we need to make America healthy again? It's
because it used to be healthy and then big industry
got in there and was like, well, how can we
make more money?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well? Can we do do it?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
What you're pointing out is so funny to me, because
the whole reason they were attacking him was like, are
you going to sue? Are you going to personally benefit?
It wasn't about what he said about health. There was
a conversation about vaccines. There was a conversation about making money.
It wasn't about man. Thank you for pointing out food
dies are bad. Hey, it's good to know that we
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might have a food system that hasn't been fully vetted
by the FDA. Thanks for talking about this stuff. And
maybe vaccines shouldn't have this immunity. But I have a
couple of clips I want to play from Elizabeth Warren.
The first one actually is going to be for our
producer John. It's going to be the I want to
play the one about the donations because I think this
(04:00):
shows how sort of innocent Bobby.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Kennedy was in this in his just wanting to.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Get the right message, the MAHA message forward. So this
is her talking about him getting donations.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Here it is commit that when you leave this job,
you will not accept compensation from a drug company, a
medical device company, a hospital system, or a health insurer
for at least four years, including as a lobbyist or
a board member.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Can you just repeat the last part of the question
of commitm You're not.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Going to take money from drug companies in any way,
shape or me.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yes, you I'm happy to commit to that. That's what
I figured.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
I said, it's an easy question to start with, and
I think you're right on this.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I don't think any of them want to give me money,
by the way, let's keep that's the beauty of it. No,
this is the guy that they don't want to give
men do.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
That's so ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
It is absolutely I mean, I'm glad they all got
to laugh about it, and I'm glad that Diane Warren
was at least somewhat kind of light and jovial in that.
I don't understand why she would even waste her time
asking a question that is so rhetorically stupid.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I will tell you why going.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
After these people? Why would it Why would he ever
be involved in any of that?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
It doesn't make.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Any sense because that's how Washington works. That's and that's
the sick twisted part about this. The reason they ask
these questions is because it's happened before. It's like when
you say, why does the X ray machine at the
airport say not to put your kid through it?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Because someone put their kid through it?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You know, because someone made money off of their position
having been the Secretary of Health and Human Services or
being the secretary of education. You know, there's somebody who
has has done something corrupt in the system to make money,
and that's.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Why she has to ask that question. How ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Well, what the irony is that she's one of the
people making that money?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
So I don't like it seems very very silly.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
If I'm her or Bernie or anybody else, I would
not want to be talking about any of that stuff.
I'd be like, no, no, no, no, we don't need to
talk about that. But but I will say I will
say this that for all of their grandstanding and everything,
and by the way, and this is true of not
just Bobby but also Tulci, I think they both held
their ground so beautifully they are and you.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Can see it. They are people of integrity. This is
why I.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Gravitated toward them and believed in them from day one,
because I'm like, this is who leadership is supposed to be.
This is what the heart and mind and character of
a leader is supposed to be. Someone that is willing
to have the grace and integrity to sit there, get
lamb basted, and hold their ground and not give in to.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
All of this, all of this, this this show and
this theater.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
But more than that, I think it's very important and
and a lot of people have made this point, Nicole Shanahan,
who I just think is fantastic because she recently made
a video and posted this to kind of reiterate this.
But Maha, which is the movement that got me into
the MAGA, or you know whatever, going and supporting Donald
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Trump should not have anything to do with partisan anything.
It should be entirely bipartisan. This is people wanting to
make America healthy again.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
You can argue what makes America great again? People do
that all the time.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
There's people that are like, well, what does making it
great again mean? If it's going to mean that, you
know this is and the other thing. Okay, fine, we
can get lost in those details. But no, there's no
question about what is healthy and what is not healthy.
And everyone on both sides of the aisle, as far
as us, the constituents, the.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Voters, no, we all kind of know.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I know, I have very liberal friends and very conservative friends,
and all of them are like, I.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Know, right, the food's poisoning us. Right.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
You can go to another country and you can eat
bread and it doesn't make your stomach swell up to
great proportions. But if you come back here and you
eat any amount of gluten that's covered in all the
g life, in all the nonsense, you start feeling ill.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
We all see it and we all know it.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
And so Maha really was, I fully believe, a massive
part and I think you would probably agree with this,
most people would was a massive part of why Donald
Trump got elected. So for these senators to be screwing
around with it and somehow not be like, Okay, listen
to all the appointments of all the reasons why this
guy got elected, by the way, in the majority, we
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should not be screwing around with Bobby Kennedy or Tulci
Gabbart for that matter. Right, And so for Nicole Shanahan
to make that video, I don't know if you saw it,
but she basically on.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Social on Instagram and ex and whatever. She said very
very kind. She's so sweet too. She's got just that.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Sweet kind of disposition about her, and she's like, she's like,
you know, a lot of people don't know this, but
I gave a lot of money to the Democratic Party,
and I helped Chuck Schumer and.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Other people get elected.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
And if any of these senators turn their back on
the health of America and they do not appoint Bobby Kennedy.
I will personally fund campaigns to primary them and get
them out of office.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And that's beautiful powerful.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
It's so powerful.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
That was I was actually on Fox Business talking about this,
and Liz MacDonald was like, well, what do you think
is going to happen if they don't make it even
out of committee. You know, it could be that RFK
and Tulsa don't make it out of committee. And I said,
I think it's going to be a very hard life
for those Republican senators because there are going to be
a lot of Republicans. It'll be the Republicans that people
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are the most mad at because they're the ones that
came out and said this is who we want and independence.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I believe independence too.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I think there's a good portion of the country that
will say we will work hard to get the people
who refuse to allow us to have strong national intelligence
and refuse to allow us to have healthy kids. Because
I see these Maha moms that come out and they're like,
I mean, you posted one where one of the I
think she was a pediatrician, said I was being told
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my kids were going to be on life long medications.
Then I started to research on my own.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
And this is a physician. To me, that's the most powerful.
A physician who said.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
I don't know if I want my kids on these
lifelong meds. We changed our diet and their whole life changed. Well,
I want that too. I want somebody talking to me
about that. I want somebody. I mean when I had cancer,
when my dad had cancer, there was not even a
this is how you should eat on the American Cancer
Society website, and that's all changed.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
It's like this movement has made the entire industry nervous
in a good way.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Oh yeah, I mean listen, hell hath no fury like
a Maha mom's scorn.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
That's right, Yeah, because you are This.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Is not just screwing around with individuals. You're not just
screwing around with a single man or a single woman.
These are parents, and you know, as a parent of
four daughters, the mama bear in you for you to
not be getting answers, for things to not be getting better,
to be looking at the statistics that, like, you know whatever,
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not even that long ago it was one in one
hundred thousand kids had autism, and now in a few
years they're projecting it'll be.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
One in three, right, and why can't we research that?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Well?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Actually, that goes into this other Elizabeth Warrenklip that I
wanted to show you because I want to talk about
what she says about vaccine and the vaccine company's immunity,
which is kind of bananas.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
But let's watch this and then we'll look at that.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
This is not only about a private company that gets
sued and has to pay out. Vaccine manufacturers often operate
on very slim profit margins. If they get sued repeatedly
and successfully, they simply move out of the vaccine space.
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We've already seen this happen with vaccines in the past.
Twenty years ago, we watched vaccines just move away if
they did not have protection from these kinds of lawsuits.
The consequence of mister Kennedy's ability to make those lawsuits
easier is also the ability to shut down access and
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manufacturing for vaccines. For every one of.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Us protect the company over the people, because we know
there are so many people who have been injured and
they have no voice.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
It makes me so angry, It makes me so angry
for so many reasons, but it is so intellectually dishonest.
If there was any other company making any other product,
you wouldn't be sitting there and defending their ability to
not be sued for creating a bunk product.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
It's exactly what I thought of this morning as I
was watching that clip. I was thinking, because we used
to make steel castings, and I was thinking, if I
made a casting that went out in the field and
every caterpillar tractor broke and someone were injured, it comes
to back to me, and there is no protection for
me because I screwed up. Why can people have terrible
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lifelong reactions and even death and they have no recourse.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, well, that's not how this country was built. This
country was built on responsibility. You have to take responsibility,
which is what gives us our freedom. Right, Like you're
in the most traditional sense, Like that's what liberty is.
You're allowed to go and create a company, and if
you make a great product, people will want that product.
If you make a product that is not safe and
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therefore a you know, let's say not one hundred percent
of the time, Let's say you make these castings and
not every Caterpillar tractor breaks down, but thirty percent of
them do.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Well, guess what that's on you?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
That is on you to go then make a better
product that is not on the government, and then protect
you so that you can keep making a product that's
making every at least thirty percent of the tractor's breakdown.
And then the people who bought those tractors have no
recourse whatsoever. Like this is absolutely insanity. It is absolutely insanity.
I can't believe that these are even conversations that we're
tolerating right well.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And there are a lot of people that feel like
that stops the research into well, why is SIDS happening
more often?
Speaker 5 (14:15):
It?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Can we determine whether it's happening after certain vaccines? And
again it's not every kid, But why are we okay
with it being some kids?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
You know?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Why can't we have that conversation and maybe we have
studies that show that that is not that autism is
not coming from vaccines, but it has gone up. Is
it coming from food dies? Is it coming you know what? Ara,
why can't we find out? Because these companies are protected
and that I feel strongly about the companies have more
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protection now than the people that consume the product.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Yeah, and listen, I've watched enough now of various lawyers
and doctors talking about the subjects. There has not been
all of the studies that we thought had been done
for you years and years and years about vaccine efficacy
and safety. By the way, not just those, but other
drugs and whatever.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
We think that it's all being done.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
We think, well, clearly, we have an FDA and a
CDC and all of it, right, we have all these
three letter agencies that are supposed to be regulatority and
making sure that we're safe. Well, it turns out that
that has not been going on. We have, we do
not have the studies. They're not there. That's the truth.
Now to your point, what does that mean? I don't
know all Bobby's asking for and me along with Bobby
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and a lot of other people that are supporting Bobby transparency.
May we let light be the greatest disinfectant, and may
we all be able because that is informed consent. If
we do not actually have all the information that's not
informed consent, which is against HIPPAA regulations, there's no reason
why any of us should be subjected to this. More
than that certainly not every child who gets vaccinated comes
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down with you know, any number of the things. By
the way, the fine print of all of the side
of that are in these vaccines, right, not all of
them come down with X. But that doesn't mean not
all of them don't come down with something right like
autoimmune diseases, allergies, Like why why do all of us
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have even as adults, Like you know, there are so
many problems in our metabolic health.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
And this is not because.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Of as far as I know, anything other than the
things that we're putting into our bodies. And also there's
other things that people should really be talking about. And
I think I'm looking forward to the conversation starting to
happen more, which is about like our mitochondria, our circadian rhythm,
the amount of blue light and EMF that we're putting
into our bodies. Like, you know, for a long time,
like almost all of these things, people go, you're a
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nutjob conspiracy theorist, timfoil hatware in person. Well, guess what, guys,
The data keeps coming out, and the data keeps showing
that a lot of these things are very true, and
it makes a total a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
We came up as hunter gatherer versions of ours for
thousands and thousands of years.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
It's only in the last one hundred two hundred maybe
that we live in this world with artificial light that
allows us to stay.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Up well beyond when we ever actually stayed up.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
And by the way end, that light went from being
a on the red spectrum infrared heat spectrum, which is good,
healthier light. So this not to go on too much
of a tangent, but when the sun rises in the morning,
which is when we're supposed to get up, this is
the normal natural habit of a human being and most
all other animals. The sun rises, it's almost exclusively red
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infrared heat light. So when you look at the sunrise,
you can tell it's like it's very orangey red.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Right. Well, then as it starts.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Getting up to the noon to the midday sky and sun,
it's got a lot more ultraviolet.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
We all know this.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
That's why you start getting more tan and all these things.
It's ultraviolet light that's coming down. And then as it
goes back down and it goes to the sunset, the
ultraviolet rays and the blue frequency kind of turns off
and it goes back to a red and then it
goes away. And then after that went down, the only
things we had for again thousands of years were campfires
and maybe a few lanterns.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
That were flame, and that was all red, that was
all heat.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
We have introduced into our systems a thing that never
existed for us, which is this constant ultraviolet blue light
in all of our screens. This wonderful technology that we
have that we're talking on right now. And I think
there's a way to embrace all of these things and
also be smart enough to not allow it to be
hijacking our own biochemistry so that it's making a sicker
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and I believe that it is. But just really quickly
on the Diane Warren of it all, one of the
things he says in that clip, I just cannot, I cannot.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And will not stand for, which is.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
These vaccine companies are operating in the smallest of.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Margins right right. That is absolutely absurd. It is absurd.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
They are making billions of dollars and over fist and
that's not just the COVID vaccine, which obviously they made
billions of dollars on all of these vaccines, and.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
They're all forced on every child.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
You can't even go to a pediatrician and say, hey,
you know, I might want to quit. I have some
questions about this. Can we can we roll this out slower?
Can we delay it? Can I not vaccinate my children
at all?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You know? Can we do these things? Pediatricians will kick
you out of their practice.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, oh yes, and why because they have quotas that
they need to make if they want to get the
bonuses that the pharmaceutical companies, the vaccine manufacturers pay them.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I mean, if this is not conflict of interest, I
don't know what is.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. Now, I think that this movement
that Bobby Kennedy started, and I really think it just
took off because people were so hungry for answers for
why they are so unhealthy, why they're tired, why their
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body hurts? Because it just our parents didn't feel like this.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Why do we feel like this?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Like we're the generation that can remember people not living
like this and not being all overweight. You know, we
can remember as kids going to the beach and everybody
being healthy, and we have questions, you know. Then this
movement came along, and I think parents started to say,
why haven't I questioned more?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
You know, because I did.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I mean, we talked before this, and my girls are
now pre teens and teenagers. And I look back and
I just blindly went in and there was one thing
that I did that I fully regret. That is when
my one of my kids was little. She was one
of my more challenging kids. And the doctor was like, oh,
it's probably because she's constipated. And kid, that's when kids
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are constipated. They let that out in being frustrated and anxious,
and so give her a laxative and put it in
her food, and this is the healthy thing to do.
And I blindly was like, gosh, this must be the
answer because I was in this mode.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
The doctor knows so much better than me.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
And then I read all these studies afterwards saying like
this can increase their anxiety, it can cause them changes
in their personality for life, and I was like, there
are so many other ways to get some if and
I don't even know if she was constipating. It just
too little to tell me. Yeah, I've constipated. So I'm like, why.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I look back, and I think that.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Me and many other parents started to hear Bobby Kennedy talking,
and we went, Wow, why aren't we allowed to ask?
Why aren't we allowed to question? Why aren't we saying more?
And to your point about the lights. I think I've
talked about this before on the podcast, but I was
at an event a couple of years ago where there
was a National Geographic photographer and he was a night photographer,
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and he was saying that the light that we have
at night, this bright white light, is such a problem.
They've started this campaign to try to get even big cities.
I think Indianapolis might be one that agreed to go
back to yellow light because if you do you think, like,
if you think about what the reason is, imagine what
it's doing to us, because it is changing the migratory
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patterns of birds and bees, so bees are no longer pollinating.
Our food supply is in jeopardy because of the white
lights that we have all around the globe and all
around this nation. And you go to these big you know,
Vegas and all these cities that are just lit up
all the time. If it's screwing up the animals, how
can it not be screwing up us?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
We are animals. Yes, at the end, of the day.
We have.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Beautiful, wonderful and still very you know, earth, human biology
in us that has been behaving in certain ways, again
depending on you know, some people have different ideas of
when the universe was created or whatever. But we're still
looking at thousands of years, thousands of years of our
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bodies operating in a very specific way based on our environment.
That was our natural, God given environment. And we as
we are wont to do. As humans, we like to
play God. We like to go and create new things.
And I don't think that we should stop. I think
that that's part of the beauty of being a human being.
God gave us this ability to ask why and then
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go and act on the why, and oh wow, we
can go and we can build this new thing that
helps us to do this and do that and whatever.
But what we didn't realize a long time ago is
that every single time we go and create a thing
that perhaps might make life easier, Oh look at this
bright light, it'll keep us up, It'll it'll allow us
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to work longer. Right, Well, we didn't know the downstream
effects of that. I mean, it's similar, you know, the
silly things that we've done. You know, if you've ever
been to Hawaii? I don't know, but I remember the
first time I went to Hawaii. I was on this,
you know, not a tour, but like I had like
a like a cassette tape and it was like A
had a cassette tape back in then, and I put
it in my in the in the stereo of the
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of the jeep I was driving, and it's giving me
all these little factoids about Hawaii. And one of the
factoids was and one of the factoids was, did you
know that there are no you know, native of snakes
in Hawaii?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
That's that's cool.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
What did you also know that there were no rats
here until the rats came over on the ships and
then we brought rats into the Hawaiian islands. Oh okay,
that's but then we thought, oh, you know, what you
know will be a smart idea. We'll go and get
We'll go get mongooses or mung goose, I don't know, mongese.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Monkeys there you go, there, you go.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
We'll go get mongys and we'll bring them to the
islands and then they'll hunt all the rats. The problem
was nobody's even bothered to ask themselves when are their
sleeping patterns the mongoose and the rat.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
One of them is nocturnal and the other is not.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
So then we didn't have mongoose monkeys hunting the rats.
We just had a whole bunch of warm rats that
a whole bunch of mongoos that had known natural predators.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Because this is what we do, right, We introduce.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
These invasive species of plant and animal all over the
world thinking we got it, we know what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
And the same is true, not that exact correlation.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
The same is true of us thinking we got it,
We're going to go create this new thing and it's
going to be great, and not even recognizing that we
could very well be doing something very detrimental to us,
to our children, to all of society downstream.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Well I think that we I mean, just listening to
these hearings, I think it's a we got it moment
where it's like, I'm right, this is a human issue.
And this has been really eye opening because to me,
this is one of the most fascinating elections I've ever watched,
because this is a coming together of people who you
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would never think would come together, and it is beyond us.
So just like coming up with the solution of what
to do with rats and Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
This is beyond us.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I think that people see what happened, and if you're Christian,
I think you look at it and you go, my gosh,
Donald Trump was shot, It missed him, his head moved.
It's impossible. There had to have been God involved. And
then honestly, Bobby Kennedy runs at that exact time on
a message that he felt like since he was little.
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He says he prayed from the time he was a
kid or a young adult, well.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
He was all you got twenty years about twenty years.
Every day he's been praying for this to.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Put me into a position where I can affect health.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
And in his mind, this is the fascinating thing about
how God works to me. In his mind that is
that he's going to be president. But we don't always
know what's best. No, let me put you in charge
of health and human services. Like you focus here, this
is what you've been studying, this is what you know.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Let me put you where where you are meant to be.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
And I bring this all up because you posted something
on X the other day about a new series I
think coming out on Prime called House of David, which
is the same story of not the guy anybody thought
was going to be the leader, right, but here he
is this shepherd that God was like, no, that's the guy,
and people were like, I don't think so, no, no,
trust me, that's the guy, just like Donald Trump, unusual,
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not who a lot of people thought would end up
being president first time and certainly the second time. There
were a lot of people who thought they could stop
him from being president, but that wasn't their choice.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
And I find that fascinated.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
So I just wanted to ask if you could tell
us a little bit about the House of David.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah, well, so at President I'm not involved with it.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Those are my friends over at the Wonder Project, John Irwin,
and then also John Gunn, who is the writer director
of a film that I did called The Unbreakable Boy,
which I'd love to talk about.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah. I talking about that too.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
But the House of David is this, I mean, the
trailer is all I've seen, and it's what and it's
what we've and by we I mean anyone like me
who is a lover of the story of David and
who's been waiting for someone to create something this epic
about that because it's deserving, you know, I think. I mean, obviously,
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the the story of Jesus is the most famous in
the Bible, but just below that, to me is the
story of David, and in some ways even more because
it's Old Testament, and it's like, it really is about this,
you know, like you were saying, this person that nobody thought, like,
why why you've got all these other sons, these all
these other kids, more more experienced, Why aren't they supposed
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to be the king and God? You know, it's like, no,
it's that kid right there that's minding his own business,
tending to the sheep and uh. And also you know
there's something that in the first they're they're just filming
the second season. Now the first season is what's about
drop on Amazon. So it's much more his younger years.
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But as any of us who know the story, no,
I mean, it's it's not a it's not like this
rainbows and butterflies. And you know, David was a complicated
human being and did a lot of not great stuff,
and yet was still a man after God's own heart,
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just like all of us exactly. And I think that's
one of the reasons why the story is so powerful
because it's a story of redemption and recognizing that we
can step into a lot of darkness. And that doesn't
mean that God has somehow abandoned us. It doesn't mean
that God is how I was saying, oh, that's it.
You know, you made, you made, you made a really
bad wrong turn. And now it's over, and I can
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no longer reside within you or around you. Like you know,
it's a it's an incredible story of redemption and God's
grace and love and power and you know, and and
I think the and the heart of Dave to recognize
that when he went astray in very big ways in
adultery and murder and all that, you know, I mean,
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it's it's a it's a gnarly story. And I think
that unfortunately, for a long time, within let's say Christian
filmmaking or content creation, there hasn't been a very high
quality of it. First and foremost, you know, I think
there's been this kind of leaning on the message as
if that's enough, like well, you know, as long as
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we got that. I don't know why I always go
southern with this, but just better with me, I don't know,
you know, as long as the message is good, then
the people are going to love it.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
You know, we just got to get the message out there.
And it's like, no, that's not true.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
That is not true because we're all accustomed to watching
really great films. So when we're watching a not great
film or a not great series, we feel it and
we're like, I mean, I want to I want to
support this because I think it's a good message, but
why didn't you take the time to actually do it right?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Right?
Speaker 4 (30:54):
So I think in all of us, whether your secular
audience or a faith based audience, we all want great
we all want excellence, and I think that's what God
calls us to first and foremost. But also you got
to have the balls, the hutzpah, the courage to go
actually tell the story accurately.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
And I think a.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Lot of people are like, oh, we know that's the story,
but we don't want to you know that that's.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Getting a little too dark for us.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I'm like, well, I'm sorry, then, then why do you
even read the Bible? And why do you even read
the story in the Bible? Like it's there, it's in
the pages. And by the way, that's one of many, many,
many stories that's got a lot of darkness in it,
and you don't just pull those punches when you don't
just edit those parts out.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
When you're reading scripture.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
That's part of it, and that's an important part of
it because that's what redeems. If you don't have all
of that, all of that, that the muck and the
mayre that you got to trudge through, then where is
the redemptive side of it? If everything is just cool,
then there's no redemption. Everything's just cool all the time.
So anyway, Yeah, I'm very excited for those guys.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
And.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
You know, I've been jokingly prodding them, like guys, you know,
eventually David's got to grow up, so you know, David, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I'm not great weird for nothing, Yeah, exist exactly.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
But but I I just I love that whole team
over there, Jeremy Latcham and John Irwin and like I said,
John Gunn, who I got the pleasure of working with
on Unbreakable Boy, just really talented folks and with big vision.
And I commend Amazon MGM yeah for recognizing the importance
(32:32):
of content like this.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
You know, I know that was what I thought was great.
I'm like, oh, this is so exciting.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I keep hearing like base stories of faith are really popular.
Right now, I'm like, well, let's keep them popular. Let's
take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on a
Tutor Dixon podcast. Let's talk about Unbreakable Boy. Because I
saw the trailer. I think the most the whole trailer
was amazing, and yet I'm still like, Okay, what is
(32:59):
the full story behind the boy? But there's a point
when you're the father in the film, and there's a
point when you say, I think it's I wish I
could find as much joy in something as my son
finds in everything. And I just think, boy, that as
a parent hits so hard because it's true. There's moments
where you're just like, I'm in awe of them.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Yeah, yeah, So man, I'm so proud of this movie.
I'm I'm I'm not not to poo poo any of
my past projects, which I'm also very proud of all
of them. But there's something very specifically special, uniquely special
about this film. Very God breathed it was. You know,
I was basically the long and the short of it,
(33:43):
of the kind of impetus behind it was. So I
was on track, I was we were in in pre
production on American Underdog, the film where I played America
or Kurt Warner, the quarterback, and we were trying to
make that happened before the end of twenty twenty, but
the pandemic hit and everything went crazy, and Lionsgate the
(34:07):
studio was like, hey, listen, this is a twenty five
million dollar budget, and that's a lot of money to
roll the dice on and gamble during the pandemic because
we don't know what protocols are going to be. We
don't know if we get shut down, and we can't
afford that. And so, you know, all of us hadn't
been working.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I'm like.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Just like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, trying to
keep my finances going because I'm building out this ranch
and studio and community in Austin, and I was spending
money very liberally, thinking that I was about to have,
you know, a bunch of jobs all lined up, and
then you know, somebody ate a bat in China and
then there we were, and so I'm like, oh my gosh,
(34:47):
Like I was really really banking on this job, and
I knew that all of the crew were banking on
the job, because none of us had been working. So
when the Irwins called me and they said, hey, listen, Zach,
we got some bad news. We are going to have
to push American Underdog into twenty twenty one. I said, hey, listen, guys,
I totally understand that this is outside of your control
(35:09):
and that this is a lions Gate call, but I'd
be lying if I didn't tell you how incredibly bummed
I am that we're doing this, Because basically, we had
all been told, hey, it's a go, it's a green light,
we're making this movie, and so you get everybody all
revved up, and then it's like eh, and then carpet pool,
and so I was like, listen, it's breaking my heart.
(35:30):
Like I love you guys, and I can't wait to
do American Underdog, but the fact that we now have
to wait another I mean, at that point another eight
months in order to get back to work is really
really breaking my heart. And the Irwins, those boys, to
their credit, they said, okay, hold on, let us.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
See what we can do.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
And they went back to Lionsgate and they said, here's
the situation. We want to do right by our cast
and our crew, and we want to get everybody back
to work.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
What can we do? And Lionsgate, to their credit, said, if.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
You guys can give us a movie that's ten million
dollars in below, you know, a smaller budget that we
can run, you know, roll the dice on.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
And Zach says, yes to it.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Will green light that movie and you can get into
production by by you know, October November. And so the
boys at at Kingdom Story, John and Irwin, they sent
me log lines for like half a dozen films and
I read them all and the Unbreakable Boy just jumped
out to me. It was like God saying, like, this
is the.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Movie you need to go make. And the movie is
very slice of life.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
It's it's a true story about this this family, the
Lorette family, Scott and Teresa and their sons and Logan
and their oldest son, Austin. And Austin was born first.
He was he was the oldest, and he was born
and he was crying a lot. They weren't really sure
what was going on, and they had him tested after
a few years and it turned out he had osteogenesis imperfecta,
(36:54):
which is brittle bones disease, which he got some of
those that from his mother and they were, you know,
obviously very devastated about that and that their son was
going through what he was going through, but they figured
out ways to kind of mitigate that and keep moving forward. Well, then,
after having their second son, who was seemingly healthy and normal,
their oldest son, Austin, started.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
To behave in let's say, atypical.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Ways, and then they went and had him tested and
it turned out that he had autism. And so the
story really is a true story about a family navigating
the waters of having a child on the autistic spectrum.
And I think that that is one of the most
apropos stories that we could be telling right now. I
(37:41):
think that it is as we all know, autism is
something that is affecting and touches all of our lives.
Either we personally have it, our children have it, our
a friend has it, a friend's child has it.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
You know, it is ubiquitous at this point in human history.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
And those are children of God and ought to be
loved and appreciated, as I know that every child or
should be, and every parent.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Of an autistic child does their best to love their children.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
And this I've never seen or heard of a film
that represents this situation, more authentically, more beautifully, with more love,
and I just am very excited that we finally we
shot at the end of twenty twenty, and because of
the pandemic and people not really coming back to theaters
unless it was like some big ten pole movie, Binsgate
(38:33):
was like, we don't know what to do with this.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
We're gonna sit on it for a while.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
And then we weren't sure if they were ever gonna
not sit on it, and then they got They finally said,
all right, time to release it three years after when
it was supposed to be released. But I think that's
all about time. It's exactly it's all God's timing. And
I'm so grateful and I just really I'm just so
proud of it. I just think it's a really beautiful film,
(38:56):
and I think that I think that everyone who goes
to see it will feel that. I think that even
in the trailer people, I mean, the the amount of
my social media that gets filled with messages of grown
men and women, but I love the grown men who
are like I was watching this trailer and I started crying.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Yeah, I just started crying, you know.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
And and I and I think that that says a
lot about what this subject matter means to people, and
and and that this really is a matter of like
figuring seeing how to radically embrace every single aspect of
your life and your children's lives, and still fighting for them,
still looking for answers.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I mean, I just.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Read an article last night there there seems to be
this breakthrough treatment for autism, which is wonderful.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
You know, I do find it interesting that people not well,
it's interesting and sad.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
But you know, there's a lot of people that have
been coming after me, you know, talking about how somehow
I'm saying that you know, autism is is you know, bad,
or that we should you know, It's like, no, hang,
I'm not judging any one with autism in the same
way that I would never judge anyone who was born
missing a leg.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
I still wish that they would have that other leg.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
I still wish the children who were born with autism
didn't have to be born with autism or didn't somehow
get that along their journey, right.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I mean, we all know this is one of the
craziest things about.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
How we were being reprogrammed, Like somehow normal and healthy
isn't normal and healthy anymore?
Speaker 3 (40:24):
And it's really crazy. So but this movie, it doesn't
go into any of that.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
All it's about is about these two parents, Scott and Teresa,
who are on their own journey of their learning to
love themselves and love each other and figure out how
to best love and support their children. And I think
all of those things are completely universally applicable to everyone,
and now with autism, even that is very applicable to
almost all of us. And so I just it comes
(40:51):
out February twenty First, I just for anyone out there
that's watching.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Right now, I implore you, I encourage you please go
watch this movie. I'm biased, obviously, but it is.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
It's a beautiful film, and it's also a film that
the whole family can watch, and I think that's important too, right.
You know, there's a lot of films now that it's like,
I don't know, can I take my family to that?
Speaker 3 (41:12):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
And I also don't think every movie needs to be that.
I'm perfectly happy with movies that are for adults only,
because we should have our content that is just for us, right,
and kids can have stuff that's just for kids.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
And then there's a whole spectrum.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Of stuff in between where we can all watch things together,
and I think that's a hallmark of some really great
quality entertain No.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
That's why when I watched the trailer, I was like,
this is such a good movie for any married couple
because I could just tell I'm like the struggles that.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
There's nothing is easy.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Life is not going to be easy if you think
life is going to be easy. My girlfriend used to
always talk about wanting movie love, and I'm like, this
is movie love.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
This is the true movie love.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
You get to see how hard life really is in
such a beautiful way. So I wanted to talk about
it because I saw it and I was like, this
looks amazing. So I thank you for making it so.
It'll be in theaters on February twenty first.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
In theaters and theaters and good all theaters that we
used to go to all the time.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah, yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
That's like I mean to me, you got to go
to the theater, get the popcorn, sit in the big theater,
watch the movie.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
So I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Thank you so much. I know I've kept you over,
but you are just so fun to talk to. Thank
you so much for coming on today. Zachary LEVI make
sure the Unbreakable Boy, Yes, the.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Unbreakable Boy in theaters February twenty first, Tell your friends,
tell your family, go see you together. To your point,
I think that going and seeing movies in the theater
there's something very not just special, but actually quite important
about it. It's where we all recognize how how alike
we are. You know, you could have a whole bunch
of Republicans and Democrats and libertarians and independence and people
(42:48):
are different faiths and backgrounds, all sitting in a dark theater,
all laughing at the same jokes, all crying in the
same moments, and we go, oh wow, we aren't all
that different, you know.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
So I do think that theaters are important even.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
In that I agree. I agree.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Thank you so much, thanks for being on today.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Thank you so much. Always great to see you, Tutor.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
I have a great day you too, and thank you
all for listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
For this episode and others.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Go to iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get
your podcasts and join us next time. Have a blessed day.
Host
Tudor Dixon
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