April 14, 2023 • 36 mins
In this episode, Tudor welcomes Oli London to discuss his experiences with transitioning from a man to a woman and then the agony in trying to reverse course. Oli talks about his new book "Gender Madness" and talks with Tudor about how we got to where we are now? What's behind the push to transition kids? How does social media play a role? And how can we push back and save our children? The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. New episodes debut every Monday, Wednesday, & Friday. For more information check out TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, this is Buck Sexon and you're listening to the
Tutor Dixon Podcast, part of the Clay Drivers and Buck
Sexon podcast Network. Hello and welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
I'm Tutor Dixon, and today we have a very serious
conversation about the trans movement, and I'm really glad that
Ali London agreed to join me. Alie is I guess
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I would say maybe de transitioning. We're going to hear
exactly what that means, and we're hearing more about folks
de transitioning these days, but a lot of times that's
getting pushed out of the news to make room for
celebrating young people who are making permanent changes to their
bodies to transition. So we just want to get kind
of deep and real into Allie's journey. So Ali, thank
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you for joining me today. Thank you. It's a real
pleasure to be speaking with you. Tuda Well, I am
really excited about it. You have a unique story because
you were a transgender person you still identify as transracial,
So I want you to talk a little bit about
what that means, how you decided to get there, and
what you feel life is going to be going forward.
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So just give us a little update on how how
you decided to make these changes. Right, So what happened
as a kid, I was always a lot more feminine.
You know, some boys prefer girls toys and some girls
are tomboys, which you know can be very normal. So
I was always a little bit more feminine. And then
with what happened when I was in high school, I
started getting breakouts on my skin. And when you're going
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through puberty, you really start to kind of hate the
way you look and struggle with your identity. And I
used to get bullied very severely every day because of
the way I looked a little soon because I was
more feminine than the other boys in my class. So
I used to get picked on when we would go
to swimming class. You know, people would say I was
like a woman because I had kind of fat around
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my chest so it looked like almost breasts. And I
actually later had the surgery to remove all that. So
you know, I used to get bullied all the time,
being called feminine or ugly and you know, like a monster.
So I had a really really tough time. And then
when I became an adult, I actually moved to South Korea,
and I was living in Korea. It's an amazing culture,
and I kind of fell in love with K pop,
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which is, you know, this really fun, energetic, happy music.
You know, it's really as beautiful music, and you know,
it was a chance for me to reinvent myself. I
saw all of these pop stars, all of these billboards,
and you know, as in America and maybe in Los Angeles,
people go to a plastic surgeon, maybe they have a
picture of Kim Kardashian, they say, doctor, make me look
like this woman. So I started out, I was like, okay,
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I need to you know, I need to have a
picture of what I kind of want to look like
when I go to the plastic surgeon. So I, you know,
I started showing them a picture of a pop star
in Korea. I was like, can you try and make
me look like this if possible? And then what happened
is I had that initial surgery, which was my nose,
and then I started getting more surgeries over time, and
it really became like a snowball effect. I mean, it
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was really kind of body dysmorphia. I had questions of
my gender, and then the more surgery I do, I
then started to still be unhappy, and I thought, you know,
everybody around me was telling me I was meant to
be a woman, I should be a girl. You know,
every time I went on TikTok tuned up, all the
videos I saw were trans people, not binary people. So
then I was just like, you know, maybe this is
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something I do you think that was? Do you think
that was you were targeted because you had looked at
some of them? I mean, I know when I see something,
I just start to see that over and over again.
And generally I get these strange videos of how you
can decorate cakes, but then it once I watched one,
I am constantly barraged with how you can decorate cakes?
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Do you think that algorithm really is affecting how young
people are thinking? Yeah? Absolutely. I mean I wrote a
book about my kind of gender identity Strugs, and I
covered the effects of social media. So what happened? So
TikTok came about in twenty eighteen, and originally it was
just very innocent lip syncing videos, dance videos, and then
during the time of the pandemic, the videos started to change,
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so not just for my algorithm, but for every younger's
interesting you know, they started to see videos of people
sharing their transition journey, so they have, you know, day
one of being a girl, then day ten, you know,
like a bit like this dyllermolphone and that's all I
started to see Tudor and you know a lot of
other young people, they're exposed to these videos day in
and day out, and it's almost indoctrination because when you
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see something so many times, it becomes normalized. So I'd
seen as so many times and everybody around me was like,
you're more feminine. I remembered as a kid, people would
bully me for that. So then I thought, you know,
maybe the answer to my identity struggles is the fact
I'm trans everybody's telling me, even TikTok was telling me.
So that's when I transitioned. And it's interesting because during
the time of my transition, I was literally addicted to TikTok.
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I was spending eight hours a day, I was making videos,
I was looking at videos, and I was absolutely addicted.
And you know, now I barely use TikTok because I
know it's it's become very harmful and toxic, and I'm
much happier. So I really think, you know, social media
does have a big part, certainly with me and certainly
with so many young people. Why do you think that
because you've said publicly that people were very supportive of
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you becoming transgender, and you just said that there was
almost a push like this is who you are, you
have to be there. But it wasn't that way when
you said I want to be transracial. Why do you
think there's their difference there? Well, you know, so I
used to live in Korean and I just love that culture,
and I was like, you know, all these people making
up these strange identities. You know, people identify in different ways.
It's just like, why can't I look like a Korean
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pop star? And that was really how it started. She said,
why can't I look like them? Because many people in
Korea have surgery to look like Hollywood stars, And that
was it, you know, when people kind of made it
sound crazy and stuff, and you know it was kind
of interesting. It's almost like, you know, I was exposing
the woke people and the trans mafia because they were like,
you can identify as anything. Suddenly I'm saying I want
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to look back a Korean pop start and then they
went crazy, So you know, there's really really double standards,
and you know, really it just stemmed from my identity issues.
I was basically trying to reinvent myself, trying to change
myself completely because I really hated the way I looks
the way I felt inside. So you know, it was
obviously the wrong decision. Now I've kind of realized that.
It's interesting though. I think it was Piers Morgan who said, well,
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what if I were to come out and say that
I'm a black female lesbian and people went, that's ridiculous,
and he's how is it different than and I mean,
this is you truly are coming out as transracial, and
people are not accepting of that. But I want to
ask you about your journey was to become a woman?
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You have not ever you said it was. Let me
see the quote because I think it's it's interesting you
said when I when I had all that surgery, I
felt like a woman and looked like a woman, but
I wasn't. I was trans And I think that that
explains how so many women feel about this from the outside,
because we're saying, but you're you don't have the true
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experiences of being a woman, and it feels from our
perspective that people are making fun of us. I mean,
you've been very critical of Dylan mulvaney, who has come
out and become a brand ambassador for all these different companies.
But I think that Tampas was really the biggest shocker
because it's not something that women celebrate. Having their menstrual
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cycle is certainly not eat an easy time. Oftentimes people
have so many struggles with that part of life. They
end up with surgeries, they end up with problems getting pregnant,
And now we have a man saying I'm gonna advertise
something that there was a period of time women were
sent out of the entire community because they weren't seen
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as clean during that time. It's like we have struggled
with menstrual cycles for centuries and here now it's a mockery.
So what do you say about folks like Dylan mulvaney
who seemed to be looking for fame? And I think
in a lot of cases, women feel like you're stealing
our identity because you're looking for fame rather than coming
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around us and saying we understand you. It seems like
the transgender community doesn't really understand women at all. And
I think that's the most hurtful thing from our perspective. Absolutely.
You know, I speak to women every day, I speak
to mothers, and they get so offended by this because
it is insulting. And you know a lot of these
people tudor. When you see these adult men dressing as women,
it's almost a fetish for them. You know, they're dressing
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in lingerie. They want to go in the women's restrooms
to be seen. So you know, we have that as well,
and that's very very offensive when they kind of just
you know, parody women, it's a caricature of a woman,
or it's you're fetishizing what the woman is without understanding
their lived in experiences. In terms of Dylan mulveny, I mean,
he is just incredibly offensive. It's so blatantly obvious that
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he was just desperate for fame. You know, he was
on the Prices, right, he was on the Ellen Show
as this over the top melodramatic gay guy. He still
has the exact same personality now, only he's pretending to
be a girl. And what's really sad about that is,
you know he shared had his days of girlhood stories
and now you might have seen on Twitter today so
many women were saying, you know how many days they've
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been a woman, you know, day ten thousand and being
a woman and sharing their experiences, and you know, women
should not be mocked. And the fact that Dylan is
profiting off this and all of these woke corporations like Nike,
bud Light, they are adding fuel to the fire because
they are completely insulting women. So, you know, I think
when trans people claim to be a woman, because even
I was trans, I would call myself trans. I wouldn't
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use women's spaces because I was always respectful. I just
wanted to look a certain way. But you know a
lot of these people, it's they're offending women and they
just don't get it. They think they can they're entitled
to using women's restrooms, women's spas, and it's very offensive.
Is there a part of you because this is the
way I look at it. I feel like this is
a very sad situation for Dylan, and I'm very My
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heartbreaks for him because I don't see this being sustainable
And what kind of a life is this? You know,
I think that people find happiness in people. We that
I mean, biology would tell you that we are we
want to be around people relationships are important, that is
meaningful in the human experience, and it seems very lonely.
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And I think that's the thing that maybe people aren't
understanding is that when you, like you said, you're not
a woman, you give up being a man, you become trans.
And that seems to me like a lonely space because
most people are looking for a spouse, whether they are
same sex attracted or opposite, it's sex attracted. They want
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to know what that person is and have a life
with them. Absolutely. I mean a lot of these young
people that become trands, they really you know, they struggle
with mental health issues, and a lot of them struggle
with the way they look their identity. They have body dysmorphia.
So I think a lot of these cases are people
become trans because they want love and the tension. They
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want validation. And then they see people like Dynamolphony that
is succeeding, you know, they've become fam' getting lucrative brand deals.
So a lot of young people look at that success
and they think, I wish I could be loved because
when you're trans. Tutor, I experienced this as trans, you know,
I had brandsprowing deals at me. All the time. I
had so many people praisingly positive comments, and you know,
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a lot of these kids, they just want a validation,
and you know, they're turning to social media, and you know,
when you start to share your transition story, the more
extreme it gets, the more likes you get, the more
views you get, the more praise you get. So it's
really toxic. And you know, I don't hold anything against
these people. You know, I will pray for Dylan, you know,
I'm sure a lot of people do, because I believe
in the power of people can change, especially with the
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power of prayer. And it's very sad, and I think
what he's doing is very offensive to women. But I
pray one day he wakes up from that, realizes the
harmy is causing, and you know, tries to become a
better role model for young people. I think that we
all know he's an actor. You know, this is an act.
Now obviously he's this has been taken to the next
level and he's having these surgeries. Are there any surgeries
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that you've had that you've looked back and regretted, because
I just wonder if this happens and then I mean,
having had breast cancer and going through reconstruction. I know
for me, I'm like, there's this is strange, this is different.
Do you ever feel that way when you look at
surgeries you've had and say, it's just not what I wanted. Yeah,
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I mean I do regret. I did do a lot
of surgeries, so I had all the chest about the moves,
and my nipples are kind of messed up. My face.
When I had facial feminization, I basically had all of
my bones shaved down. I've had my jaw shaved, my cheeks,
my eyebrow bones, and it has made my face asymmetrical.
And you know, I do kind of feel sad when
I look in the mirror. I feel why did I
do that to myself? Because you know, it really upset
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my family, upset my friends. But at the time, I
was just on this mission. I thought I have to
change myself. I have to be happy. So I do
regret what I did, But at the end of the day,
I know I can't take that back. So what I'm
trying to do is I'm learning from what I've done.
I'm trying to raise awareness and help other people. I
don't want young people. I don't want any teeny old
there was a sixteen year old going to adopt it
and trying to change themselves. I want them to find
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happiness from within, and that's what I'm focusing on now,
you know, positivity and trying to help one parents and
want kids not to do these things to themselves. I
think what you just said is something people are afraid
to say, is that you can't change it back. So
often we hear that the puberty blockers are reversible, that
the surgeries are reversible. And I've said, from my own
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perspective of having gone through plastic surgery, this is not
you can't change it back. But I don't think that
people really understand that you've obviously had a different experience
with the type of plastic surgery you've had. When people
tell you it's reversible, what is your response to that. Well,
you know, the gender clinics like to tell you that, oh,
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it's easy, it's reversible, there's no long term side effects.
It's part of the marketing pitch, because you know, if
they actually told the kids and the parents the long
term health consequences of taking hormones with the rest of
their life, they wouldn't have any customers. This is a
business they're making a lot of money, so you know,
it's very sad, and that's what I'm trying to do.
I'm trying to raise awareness. You know. I've wrote a
book Gender Madness, and I'm covering all these issues about
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how these hospitals convince parents and what they like to do.
They like to use the tactic to coerce parents. They say,
your child will commit suicide unless you change their gender.
We need to do this straight away. And what happens
when the child de transitions. There is nothing you can
do once you've done a double the sect. To me,
I know you can do breass reconstruction, but it's very difficult.
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And once they take the hormones, you can't reverse that tudor.
And these clinics are not telling these kids, they're not
telling the parents. There's no informed consent. They're basically experimenting
and mutilating on these kids. And no, there's not enough research.
It's only a very recent there's not enough research, you know,
twenty thirty years down the line. What is the effects
of hormones and pubit blockers. There's some research that suggests
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kids will develop issues with bone growth, bone density, increased
likelihood of heart attack, some hot palpitations, you know, and
so many other things that you know, incontinence. So you know,
we need to alert parents and kids that this is
the real consequences of changing your gender. Let's take a
quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon podcast.
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People get really mad at me when I talk about
this because they're they you know, they feel like I
have no business talking about this, But I have looked
at how this has affected kids. And you talk about
bone growth, and we've had stories come to us of
young men who were put on or young women who
were put onto stosterone and then blocked their estrogen, and
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we know that estrogen is very important to a woman's
bone structure. And one of these young women ended up
in a wheelchair because of the of the vertebrae in
her back that were just crushed by this. That there's
just no strength in the bones left. And I this
because when I had cancer, my cancer is hormone receptive,
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so that means that my cancer grows on hormones. So
they put me on a hormone I mean essentially a
hormone suppressant. And then we talked about a hysterectomy and
I was gosh. When we would have talked about the
HYS directory, I would have been about forty years old,
and my doctor at the time said that even though
there is a risk of cancer again, that the benefits
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did not outweigh the risks because of the amount of
osteoporosis that could occur if I had a hysterectomy at
that age. And I think Gosha's forty, you know, And
to think about these young kids. I mean, we're hearing
about teenagers that are having hysterectomies, But why is the
medical community not standing up and saying, boy, this is
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really this can be very catastrophic to these children's systems.
And that these hormones they do more than just determine
your gender. They really run your whole system and keep
everything on, whether your metabolism, whether it's your metabolism, whether
it's your brain growth. It's so much more than just
determining whether you are male or female. Yeah, absolutely, I
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mean the changes these hormones make to someone's body. I mean,
if it's given adminiscent to a teenage girl, you know,
the muscles grow completely different than bones grow completely different.
It also changes you know, body parts gender tailor and stuff.
So it's really really dangerous. But when you have people
like Rachel Levine, the transgender US Assistant Secretary of Health,
When you have someone like that pushing this, you know,
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and they have been exposed. There was exposed emails with
the Daily Caller where Rachel talked about profitability and returning
investment with gender clinics in terms of transitioning kids, and
the Biden administration have made it very clear they want
to normalize this. So when you have the government health
service pushing this, it's really hard to push back and
actually try and expose what's going on. And You're right,
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you get a lot of pushback. I get crazy pushback.
I even have journalists had to be death threats because
I'm trying to expose what's going on. You know, we
all have a duty. These are kids. We have to
speak up for them. We have to alert into the
long term consequences. And this isn't medicine and it's not exact.
I mean, this is not like if someone breaks a
bone and you know how to set it again. When
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we're talking about removing someone's genitals, this is not there's
no real answer to this, and we've heard of. I mean,
I actually have not heard of a lot of success
stories with that situation. You talk about incontinence, I've heard
horror stories and I'm just going to be really graphic
and honest with you, but we've been told. You know,
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these doctors they create, they take the penis, they inverted,
they created a vagina. This is not how the human
body works, so that the female body has systems that
clean and lubricate in all of those things. We have
heard stories about feces getting up into this area. There's
no self cleaning is These people have to deal with
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odors our whole lives, they have to deal with incontinence.
I mean, this is graphic, but I think that it
deserves to be told the truth absolutely. You know, I
speak with de transitioners all the time. I'm trying to
give them a platform and share their story, and it's
a horror story. If a girl is transitioning to a boy,
they actually have to cut a big chunk off their
arms to make into a penis. And you know a
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lot of them have internal bleeding. They have bleeding every
time they use the restroom. It's very difficult for them
to walk. The clinics don't tell them that. And you're right.
There are so many horror stories out there and it's
absolutely shocking. Now you see on Twitter sometimes these graphic
images of women that have become men or vice versa,
and it's just shocking. It's actually like a science experiment.
So we really need to stop this now. It is
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a science experiment. And you talk about this creation of
the penis, the other way around, you're removing the penis.
And I also think that this is something that people
cannot fathom ahead of time because you want to be
done with this, you want to be the other gender.
And so when the doctors, I think in cases where
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the doctors are like, yeah, this is going to work.
There may be some complications, but it's going to work.
I think it's so easy to say I hear that
it's going to work and it's going to be good,
and not really understand what it means to have your
nerves them cut through, your nerves, have no feeling. I've
read stories of people who have no feeling between their
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legs at all, and to me, this is horrifying. I
know what it is to have no feeling, you know,
I know what it is to have no feeling in
the chest area of my body, because that's what happens
when they do a double mussectomy. They cut through all
of your nerves. It's the same thing. But think, I mean,
this is the area of your body that has all
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of your sexual receptors, you know, all of those nerves
that give you pleasure when you are having a relationship
with another person. And sex, to me is something that
you should not be robbing people of because it's such
a defining factor of intimacy with your spouse, of feeling
that love and connection. And you do you talk about
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people searching for love and connection. How can doctors remove
the ability to have a sexual intimate relationship with orgasms
from people knowing that they will never have a Well,
they don't even tell the patients half of the time.
And you know when when you're doing this to teenagers,
they don't even think about those things. They don't know
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anything about that. And also we have to know a
lot of girls that do transition transition into boys, they
can't actually have a baby. They're going to really struggle
to conceive in their later life. So now imagine taking
a person's right away to have a child. That is
just beyond horrifying. But again, the clinics to doctors, they
do not inform these kids. You know, in many you know,
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Democrat states across the US, they just get a prescription
very easily. They need one visit to a therapist, get
a sign letter, and then they start on a course
of hormones, and the hallmones change the body completely, even
without the surgery. These wholements changed the genitaium. They promote
breast gripe and boys and it's just horrified. But these
clinics are not informing anyone of the long term consequences.
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We saw recently a person who was working at one
of these clinics and she is actually married to a
transgender person, who came out and said, I started to
see that this may not be truly transgender people that
are coming. It's young people who are having a social contagion.
Because she said, we had a whole entire class come
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to the clinic, and the clinic was like, yeah, no,
this is good. And I think there are genuinely transgender
people out there. I mean, we've seen people who have
lived their lives as the opposite gender. But it's a
small The reality is it's a small number. We can't
lie about the fact that it's a small number. But
we also what you've said about TikTok and social media.
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It is convincing people. But what do you think the
potential is that whole entire classrooms or friend groups are
getting convinced into this because, like you said, people were
celebrating the fact that you needed to understand you were
actually a woman. How many people are getting pushed into
that and they can't figure out how to back out
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of it. You made a great point there. There's a
very very small minority of people that actually do feel
transgender the whole life. So you've got Kate and Jenna
is a great example. But the vast majority of these
kids would never have had these ideas about change their
gender unless they're being taught in schools, unless they're seeing
it on TikTok, unless they're going to drag story hours.
We need to look at what society is doing. Society
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is pushing this on kids, and that reference you made,
I believe it's the Saint Louis, Missouri Clinic. I remember
there was a whistleblow and they said that entire groups
of girls. They're seeing an increase in girls from the
same schools with fame classes were being referred to the
clinic eleven twelve years old, and they're being put on
these hormones and stuff. And you know, if we look
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at their graphs, if we look at the statistics, all
of these statistics have gone up very dramatically within really
a space of five to ten years. Prior to that,
you had very very small numbers, you know, across the US,
you know, maybe a few hundred people per year transitioning.
Now suddenly it's in the tens of thousands, and it's
going on a very sharp incline. So we have to
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look at what is behind that these gender clinics are
popping up everywhere when you've got the Biden administration normalizing
this and pushing it, and you know, you can't escape this.
I mean, you know, talk about being in a pressed minority,
which is what transactivists like to claim. Literally, you have
trans flags painted everywhere, they have the Trans Day of Visibility,
and it's like it is a minority of people, and
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it's you know, I get that there are some people
like Kate and Jender that are, you know, feel trans
their whole life, but we shouldn't be catering for a
small minority, and we shouldn't be pushing other people to
join this well, And that seems like that's why I
think everybody's saying, whoa, what is bud Light doing? Why
is Kate Spade doing this? Why are we being why
is this being pushed on us? And why is it
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in every movie and being pushed in every television show
when this is this is not necessarily a large community.
And also it's not really a satisfying life for someone
who is not truly trans and so pushing people into
a lifestyle that is not truly theirs is not going
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to end well for society. But also I would say
I think that there's so many people who say, well, gosh,
if you say that, you're hateful you And so I
think that these companies are being pushed into this because
the last thing they want to be labeled as is
hateful or not inclusive. And you know, if you're not inclusive,
then you're like the worst person on the planet, and
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so they can demonize you for talking about it. But
I think it has led a lot of parents to
be led by some of these radical physicians rather than
doing their own research. And that's why I think it's
important to have these discussions when you talk about the
realities of these hormone treatments. We're talking about kids as
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young as eleven years old, who are girls who are
suddenly growing facial hair, their body their voices are changing,
Their bodies are changing vice versa. Boys who are growing breasts,
they're not getting their voices are not deepening. But these
are permanent changes that cause sterility, and that is something
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that no one is out there saying. And I've had
parents say to me, well, I'd rather they be sterile
and happy, but are you happy if you never You're
not At this point, it's getting younger and younger, so
you were in the situation of doing this as an adult.
But think about puberty blockers. So young these kids, the
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boys are not even growing a penis that is large
enough to invert, and so they're taking skin from other
parts of their body and therefore they're never getting to
the point where they can have any type of romantic relationship.
It's the same with the girls. Why are we lying
about the fact that a may you're part of a
person's life is removed by these hormone treatments. They can
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never have children, they can never have sex. They will
likely struggle to find a partner. Why is that something
we're not allowed to say, right, Well, we don't acknowledge
gender at all because these gender clinics just want to
get so many customers through their doors. Is it money,
There's a lot of money being made. In twenty twenty two,
it was estimated two point two billion dollars was made
via these gender clinics as a whole. But what we
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need to look at a lot of these kids are
being misdiagnosed. So again with the case with the whistleblower
in Saint Louis, Missouri, most of these kids are struggling
with their mental health. Their teenagers, they're going through puberty.
It's a really difficult time. Some of them may be autistic,
some of them may have bipolar, some of them have depression.
And what's happening is clinics are misdiagnosing those things and
just saying, okay, well let's change your gender. That's why
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you feel like this. And that's completely harmful because you
know these kids are going to feel ten times worse
down the line. They've already got these pre existing conditions.
So when you add hormones which completely change the completely
changed the chemical imbalance in the brain. It's only going
to make the mental health struggles worse. And like you said,
they can't have fulfilling relationships, like they're very limited to
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what they can do in adult life, So you know,
it's only going to make what conditions they have already
ten times worse. I think it's interesting because when I
went through my reconstruction surgery, reconstructive surgery, the surgeon went
through in great detail what we could do to make
sure that I still had range of motion, what we
could do to make sure I could still pick up
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the girls, still have an active life, you know my age.
What that meant for how we would do the surgery.
And I think about that that was something that we
felt had to happen to protect me, to keep me alive. Right,
And here are these I assume these conversations are similar.
This is what we'll be limited by, this is what
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we want to do to make sure you're not limited
by this. But how can doctors who sign an oath
to do no harm just start cutting into healthy bodies?
I mean, it just doesn't make sense when you're seeing this.
It's like a you know doctor Mengel from World War Two.
It's like a scientic. Yeah, these kids, and there's no
duty of care. We saw again with the Missouri case
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some of the doctors when they had patients that were
complaining about the affection of the hormones or the surgeries,
the doctors basically said, it's not our problem anymore. They've
already done the surgeries. That's it. So the problem is,
you know, these clinics, they're not doing their duty of care.
They have no morals or ethic ethical standards, which is
the basic thing you should be doing as a doctoral nurse.
That's your number one priority to protect the patient's health.
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I think that that's what people aren't hearing what you
just said, is the doctors kind of disappear on them
after if if something goes wrong, it's like, yeah, I
told you there could be a problem, suck it up. Yeah.
I mean that's the common denominator we've seen time and
time again these gender clinics. They do not support de transitions.
We had this gender clinic in the United Kingdom, it's
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called Tavistock, and it's being shut down because there were
so many horror worries and what happened is the clinic
wants the kids were out the door. They didn't do
any follow up studies. They didn't do any checkups like
one year down the line, two years down the line,
to see the effects of these all mental pubsy blockers.
And that's why the two do you see, the data
is skewed when they say there's such a low detransition
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rates because they don't involve to check on their patients.
So you know when they say, oh see, that's how
medicine works. Because for example, going through cancer, the breast surgeon,
I don't ever I never see the breast surgeon again.
I see an oncologist, I see the plastic surgeon. I
never see the breast surgeon again because his job is
simply to get the cancer out. This is these plastic surgeons.
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Their job is not to come back to you and
say how are you doing and did you need anything else?
Can I take care of you? They were trained in
medical school to do plastic surgery and then their patient
is gone. And so that's the part of this that
doesn't make any sense. Really, there is no follow up care,
and what are these clinics doing. Are they providing the
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psychologists because psychiatrists are now just prescribers. Surgeons are just surgeons.
I think people don't understand that medicine is very very
segmented what your area of expertise is. You don't then
help the person afterward. You don't go back to the
person and say, well, how is that breast surgery? Doing
that I did? Because he's done with me, you know.
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And so I think that's another sort of misconception of
having these radical surgeries is that that person that surgeon
cares about you wants to be in your life through
ust You're like, no, that's they did, that's their job,
and then they move on. Yeah. Absolutely. But with a
lot of these gender clinics, you know they refer kids
to therapists in order to get the gender dys for
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a diagnosis, and you know, these therapists are basically on
the payroll of these clinics, so they're gonna you know,
sign the kid off for yeah, find for hormones, find
for surgery, and then that's that what happens when they
detransition or afterwards, they don't offer the therapists, They don't
off a psychologists, which when you're doing this to a job,
when you're changing their entire body. They're going through so
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many changes, which is very difficult to cope with, so
it's very important for them to have follow up studies.
How are you doing? Is there any adverse side effects?
Because many of these kids are having side effects and
the clinics are just simply abandoning them. You know, they
should have a support system, but they shouldn't be doing
this in the first place. But now, a good clinic
would have psychologists, therapists on hands that I'm non biased,
that their only interest was protecting the patients. But sadly
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that doesn't exist. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll
continue next on a Tutor Dixon podcast. It's really hard
when you are a young person and you feel that
peer pressure to then back out of it. I think,
I mean, we know this from centuries of people being
influenced by peer pressure. You've gone through this. You said
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that you had a lot of the people saying that
you're just a woman, you need to go for this
and do this. We've heard a lot of de transitioners
come out and say once I said, it started this train,
and I could not get off the train, and no
matter what I said, people were like no, no, go
for this, because people around these folks have been so
trained to say support it, support it, support it, that
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it becomes more than just support it's you have to
do this now. What do you What is your advice
to those young people who say, I feel like I'm
on a train, it's going too fast. I want to
jump off, but I don't want to disappoint everybody around me.
What's your advice? Right? I mean, there is so much
peer pressure because once you start doing more extreme things
to yourself, you can't really stop. And that was my situation.
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I was just doing more and more and more. I
was on this train that was basically about to crash,
and I had to take a step back. I was like,
I can't do this anymore. But yeah, a lot of
these kids are feeding peer pressures because when you have
the entertainment industry, Hollywood teachers, your school friends saying no, no,
this is fine, this is normal that you feel like this,
you are meant to be the opposite gender. It kind
of reinforces their belief and they're getting praised, They're getting
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all this positivity that they've never experienced before. So it's
really difficult, and you know the problem of people de
transitioning is they're very scared to speak about it because firstly,
they don't have anyone to talk to. There's no one
out there that will speak to them and say, oh, yeah,
this is the right thing, all the trans community, and
they will literally abandon you. They will attack you, they
will harass you. If you dare to question the narrative
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that oh maybe this wasn't the right decision for this person,
you get attacks. So now what is the duty of
you know, all people like me you, We need to
speak up and make a platform for these de transitions
and give them an opportunity to share their story, removing
the stigma. We need to praise them for their bravery
and sharing their vulnerability, and you know, tell them it's
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okay to do this. And there are various states. Florida
and several other states are passing laws the band genera
having care and several states are now allowing kids to
sue these clinics. So, you know, I think that's the
step forward. The more people that come forward, the more
we can stop this. I think it is amazing that
you've been so brave, that you've been willing to go
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out there and have this discussion and really open up
what happened to you, how you made these decisions, and
be kind of a sounding board for these kids and
even for kids that are saying, gosh, it's going too
fast being there, that they can look you up, that
they can find out what you're doing. Just tell our
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audience really quickly where they can find you what you're doing. Next.
About the book, all of that stuff, right, So I'm
very active on Twitter. I expose a lot of the
gender ideology, so that's at Holli London TV. Also on
Truth Social at Olli London and so I've written the book.
So the book is half of it's about my experience
basically what led me to that place, the bullying that's
influence on social media. The second half of the book
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is really examining what is going on in the world
right now, Where has all of a sudden this pushed
to transition kids come from. Because it's a very recent phenomenon.
So you know, I examined TikTok, I examine the history
of transgenderism, the first transgenderal operations where in the nineteen
twenties in Germany. I look at all that and look
at how did it get to where we are today,
where we're doing this to kids. I also look at
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the attack on parental rights. I spend most of my
time in America, so you know, I've examined all the
different state laws and how parents can get involved because
many of these schools, these wont schools, are teaching kids
about changing the gender and the parents have no idea.
So I want to help the parents see the warning
signs and be more involved in the things that their
schools are pushing on their kids. So it's called Gender Madness,
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and it's on pre order on Amazon, Bonds and Nobles
and other bookstores right now. Thank you so much. I
so enjoyed talking to you Ali London. You are doing
incredible things. We're going to keep following you. I'd love
to have you back on sometime definitely. I really appreciate it.
Thank you for the opportunity. Yes, thank you, and thank
you all for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
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Tutor Dixon Podcast, part of the Clay Drivers and Buck
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I'm Tutor Dixon, and today we have a very serious
conversation about the trans movement, and I'm really glad that
Ali London agreed to join me. Alie is I guess
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I would say maybe de transitioning. We're going to hear
exactly what that means, and we're hearing more about folks
de transitioning these days, but a lot of times that's
getting pushed out of the news to make room for
celebrating young people who are making permanent changes to their
bodies to transition. So we just want to get kind
of deep and real into Allie's journey. So Ali, thank
(00:44):
you for joining me today. Thank you. It's a real
pleasure to be speaking with you. Tuda Well, I am
really excited about it. You have a unique story because
you were a transgender person you still identify as transracial,
So I want you to talk a little bit about
what that means, how you decided to get there, and
what you feel life is going to be going forward.
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So just give us a little update on how how
you decided to make these changes. Right, So what happened
as a kid, I was always a lot more feminine.
You know, some boys prefer girls toys and some girls
are tomboys, which you know can be very normal. So
I was always a little bit more feminine. And then
with what happened when I was in high school, I
started getting breakouts on my skin. And when you're going
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through puberty, you really start to kind of hate the
way you look and struggle with your identity. And I
used to get bullied very severely every day because of
the way I looked a little soon because I was
more feminine than the other boys in my class. So
I used to get picked on when we would go
to swimming class. You know, people would say I was
like a woman because I had kind of fat around
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my chest so it looked like almost breasts. And I
actually later had the surgery to remove all that. So
you know, I used to get bullied all the time,
being called feminine or ugly and you know, like a monster.
So I had a really really tough time. And then
when I became an adult, I actually moved to South Korea,
and I was living in Korea. It's an amazing culture,
and I kind of fell in love with K pop,
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which is, you know, this really fun, energetic, happy music.
You know, it's really as beautiful music, and you know,
it was a chance for me to reinvent myself. I
saw all of these pop stars, all of these billboards,
and you know, as in America and maybe in Los Angeles,
people go to a plastic surgeon, maybe they have a
picture of Kim Kardashian, they say, doctor, make me look
like this woman. So I started out, I was like, okay,
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I need to you know, I need to have a
picture of what I kind of want to look like
when I go to the plastic surgeon. So I, you know,
I started showing them a picture of a pop star
in Korea. I was like, can you try and make
me look like this if possible? And then what happened
is I had that initial surgery, which was my nose,
and then I started getting more surgeries over time, and
it really became like a snowball effect. I mean, it
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was really kind of body dysmorphia. I had questions of
my gender, and then the more surgery I do, I
then started to still be unhappy, and I thought, you know,
everybody around me was telling me I was meant to
be a woman, I should be a girl. You know,
every time I went on TikTok tuned up, all the
videos I saw were trans people, not binary people. So
then I was just like, you know, maybe this is
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something I do you think that was? Do you think
that was you were targeted because you had looked at
some of them? I mean, I know when I see something,
I just start to see that over and over again.
And generally I get these strange videos of how you
can decorate cakes, but then it once I watched one,
I am constantly barraged with how you can decorate cakes?
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Do you think that algorithm really is affecting how young
people are thinking? Yeah? Absolutely. I mean I wrote a
book about my kind of gender identity Strugs, and I
covered the effects of social media. So what happened? So
TikTok came about in twenty eighteen, and originally it was
just very innocent lip syncing videos, dance videos, and then
during the time of the pandemic, the videos started to change,
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so not just for my algorithm, but for every younger's
interesting you know, they started to see videos of people
sharing their transition journey, so they have, you know, day
one of being a girl, then day ten, you know,
like a bit like this dyllermolphone and that's all I
started to see Tudor and you know a lot of
other young people, they're exposed to these videos day in
and day out, and it's almost indoctrination because when you
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see something so many times, it becomes normalized. So I'd
seen as so many times and everybody around me was like,
you're more feminine. I remembered as a kid, people would
bully me for that. So then I thought, you know,
maybe the answer to my identity struggles is the fact
I'm trans everybody's telling me, even TikTok was telling me.
So that's when I transitioned. And it's interesting because during
the time of my transition, I was literally addicted to TikTok.
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I was spending eight hours a day, I was making videos,
I was looking at videos, and I was absolutely addicted.
And you know, now I barely use TikTok because I
know it's it's become very harmful and toxic, and I'm
much happier. So I really think, you know, social media
does have a big part, certainly with me and certainly
with so many young people. Why do you think that
because you've said publicly that people were very supportive of
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you becoming transgender, and you just said that there was
almost a push like this is who you are, you
have to be there. But it wasn't that way when
you said I want to be transracial. Why do you
think there's their difference there? Well, you know, so I
used to live in Korean and I just love that culture,
and I was like, you know, all these people making
up these strange identities. You know, people identify in different ways.
It's just like, why can't I look like a Korean
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pop star? And that was really how it started. She said,
why can't I look like them? Because many people in
Korea have surgery to look like Hollywood stars, And that
was it, you know, when people kind of made it
sound crazy and stuff, and you know it was kind
of interesting. It's almost like, you know, I was exposing
the woke people and the trans mafia because they were like,
you can identify as anything. Suddenly I'm saying I want
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to look back a Korean pop start and then they
went crazy, So you know, there's really really double standards,
and you know, really it just stemmed from my identity issues.
I was basically trying to reinvent myself, trying to change
myself completely because I really hated the way I looks
the way I felt inside. So you know, it was
obviously the wrong decision. Now I've kind of realized that.
It's interesting though. I think it was Piers Morgan who said, well,
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what if I were to come out and say that
I'm a black female lesbian and people went, that's ridiculous,
and he's how is it different than and I mean,
this is you truly are coming out as transracial, and
people are not accepting of that. But I want to
ask you about your journey was to become a woman?
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You have not ever you said it was. Let me
see the quote because I think it's it's interesting you
said when I when I had all that surgery, I
felt like a woman and looked like a woman, but
I wasn't. I was trans And I think that that
explains how so many women feel about this from the outside,
because we're saying, but you're you don't have the true
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experiences of being a woman, and it feels from our
perspective that people are making fun of us. I mean,
you've been very critical of Dylan mulvaney, who has come
out and become a brand ambassador for all these different companies.
But I think that Tampas was really the biggest shocker
because it's not something that women celebrate. Having their menstrual
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cycle is certainly not eat an easy time. Oftentimes people
have so many struggles with that part of life. They
end up with surgeries, they end up with problems getting pregnant,
And now we have a man saying I'm gonna advertise
something that there was a period of time women were
sent out of the entire community because they weren't seen
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as clean during that time. It's like we have struggled
with menstrual cycles for centuries and here now it's a mockery.
So what do you say about folks like Dylan mulvaney
who seemed to be looking for fame? And I think
in a lot of cases, women feel like you're stealing
our identity because you're looking for fame rather than coming
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around us and saying we understand you. It seems like
the transgender community doesn't really understand women at all. And
I think that's the most hurtful thing from our perspective. Absolutely.
You know, I speak to women every day, I speak
to mothers, and they get so offended by this because
it is insulting. And you know a lot of these
people tudor. When you see these adult men dressing as women,
it's almost a fetish for them. You know, they're dressing
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in lingerie. They want to go in the women's restrooms
to be seen. So you know, we have that as well,
and that's very very offensive when they kind of just
you know, parody women, it's a caricature of a woman,
or it's you're fetishizing what the woman is without understanding
their lived in experiences. In terms of Dylan mulveny, I mean,
he is just incredibly offensive. It's so blatantly obvious that
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he was just desperate for fame. You know, he was
on the Prices, right, he was on the Ellen Show
as this over the top melodramatic gay guy. He still
has the exact same personality now, only he's pretending to
be a girl. And what's really sad about that is,
you know he shared had his days of girlhood stories
and now you might have seen on Twitter today so
many women were saying, you know how many days they've
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been a woman, you know, day ten thousand and being
a woman and sharing their experiences, and you know, women
should not be mocked. And the fact that Dylan is
profiting off this and all of these woke corporations like Nike,
bud Light, they are adding fuel to the fire because
they are completely insulting women. So, you know, I think
when trans people claim to be a woman, because even
I was trans, I would call myself trans. I wouldn't
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use women's spaces because I was always respectful. I just
wanted to look a certain way. But you know a
lot of these people, it's they're offending women and they
just don't get it. They think they can they're entitled
to using women's restrooms, women's spas, and it's very offensive.
Is there a part of you because this is the
way I look at it. I feel like this is
a very sad situation for Dylan, and I'm very My
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heartbreaks for him because I don't see this being sustainable
And what kind of a life is this? You know,
I think that people find happiness in people. We that
I mean, biology would tell you that we are we
want to be around people relationships are important, that is
meaningful in the human experience, and it seems very lonely.
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And I think that's the thing that maybe people aren't
understanding is that when you, like you said, you're not
a woman, you give up being a man, you become trans.
And that seems to me like a lonely space because
most people are looking for a spouse, whether they are
same sex attracted or opposite, it's sex attracted. They want
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to know what that person is and have a life
with them. Absolutely. I mean a lot of these young
people that become trands, they really you know, they struggle
with mental health issues, and a lot of them struggle
with the way they look their identity. They have body dysmorphia.
So I think a lot of these cases are people
become trans because they want love and the tension. They
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want validation. And then they see people like Dynamolphony that
is succeeding, you know, they've become fam' getting lucrative brand deals.
So a lot of young people look at that success
and they think, I wish I could be loved because
when you're trans. Tutor, I experienced this as trans, you know,
I had brandsprowing deals at me. All the time. I
had so many people praisingly positive comments, and you know,
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a lot of these kids, they just want a validation,
and you know, they're turning to social media, and you know,
when you start to share your transition story, the more
extreme it gets, the more likes you get, the more
views you get, the more praise you get. So it's
really toxic. And you know, I don't hold anything against
these people. You know, I will pray for Dylan, you know,
I'm sure a lot of people do, because I believe
in the power of people can change, especially with the
(11:37):
power of prayer. And it's very sad, and I think
what he's doing is very offensive to women. But I
pray one day he wakes up from that, realizes the
harmy is causing, and you know, tries to become a
better role model for young people. I think that we
all know he's an actor. You know, this is an act.
Now obviously he's this has been taken to the next
level and he's having these surgeries. Are there any surgeries
(12:00):
that you've had that you've looked back and regretted, because
I just wonder if this happens and then I mean,
having had breast cancer and going through reconstruction. I know
for me, I'm like, there's this is strange, this is different.
Do you ever feel that way when you look at
surgeries you've had and say, it's just not what I wanted. Yeah,
(12:23):
I mean I do regret. I did do a lot
of surgeries, so I had all the chest about the moves,
and my nipples are kind of messed up. My face.
When I had facial feminization, I basically had all of
my bones shaved down. I've had my jaw shaved, my cheeks,
my eyebrow bones, and it has made my face asymmetrical.
And you know, I do kind of feel sad when
I look in the mirror. I feel why did I
do that to myself? Because you know, it really upset
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my family, upset my friends. But at the time, I
was just on this mission. I thought I have to
change myself. I have to be happy. So I do
regret what I did, But at the end of the day,
I know I can't take that back. So what I'm
trying to do is I'm learning from what I've done.
I'm trying to raise awareness and help other people. I
don't want young people. I don't want any teeny old
there was a sixteen year old going to adopt it
and trying to change themselves. I want them to find
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happiness from within, and that's what I'm focusing on now,
you know, positivity and trying to help one parents and
want kids not to do these things to themselves. I
think what you just said is something people are afraid
to say, is that you can't change it back. So
often we hear that the puberty blockers are reversible, that
the surgeries are reversible. And I've said, from my own
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perspective of having gone through plastic surgery, this is not
you can't change it back. But I don't think that
people really understand that you've obviously had a different experience
with the type of plastic surgery you've had. When people
tell you it's reversible, what is your response to that. Well,
you know, the gender clinics like to tell you that, oh,
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it's easy, it's reversible, there's no long term side effects.
It's part of the marketing pitch, because you know, if
they actually told the kids and the parents the long
term health consequences of taking hormones with the rest of
their life, they wouldn't have any customers. This is a
business they're making a lot of money, so you know,
it's very sad, and that's what I'm trying to do.
I'm trying to raise awareness. You know. I've wrote a
book Gender Madness, and I'm covering all these issues about
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how these hospitals convince parents and what they like to do.
They like to use the tactic to coerce parents. They say,
your child will commit suicide unless you change their gender.
We need to do this straight away. And what happens
when the child de transitions. There is nothing you can
do once you've done a double the sect. To me,
I know you can do breass reconstruction, but it's very difficult.
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And once they take the hormones, you can't reverse that tudor.
And these clinics are not telling these kids, they're not
telling the parents. There's no informed consent. They're basically experimenting
and mutilating on these kids. And no, there's not enough research.
It's only a very recent there's not enough research, you know,
twenty thirty years down the line. What is the effects
of hormones and pubit blockers. There's some research that suggests
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kids will develop issues with bone growth, bone density, increased
likelihood of heart attack, some hot palpitations, you know, and
so many other things that you know, incontinence. So you know,
we need to alert parents and kids that this is
the real consequences of changing your gender. Let's take a
quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon podcast.
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People get really mad at me when I talk about
this because they're they you know, they feel like I
have no business talking about this, But I have looked
at how this has affected kids. And you talk about
bone growth, and we've had stories come to us of
young men who were put on or young women who
were put onto stosterone and then blocked their estrogen, and
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we know that estrogen is very important to a woman's
bone structure. And one of these young women ended up
in a wheelchair because of the of the vertebrae in
her back that were just crushed by this. That there's
just no strength in the bones left. And I this
because when I had cancer, my cancer is hormone receptive,
(16:04):
so that means that my cancer grows on hormones. So
they put me on a hormone I mean essentially a
hormone suppressant. And then we talked about a hysterectomy and
I was gosh. When we would have talked about the
HYS directory, I would have been about forty years old,
and my doctor at the time said that even though
there is a risk of cancer again, that the benefits
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did not outweigh the risks because of the amount of
osteoporosis that could occur if I had a hysterectomy at
that age. And I think Gosha's forty, you know, And
to think about these young kids. I mean, we're hearing
about teenagers that are having hysterectomies, But why is the
medical community not standing up and saying, boy, this is
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really this can be very catastrophic to these children's systems.
And that these hormones they do more than just determine
your gender. They really run your whole system and keep
everything on, whether your metabolism, whether it's your metabolism, whether
it's your brain growth. It's so much more than just
determining whether you are male or female. Yeah, absolutely, I
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mean the changes these hormones make to someone's body. I mean,
if it's given adminiscent to a teenage girl, you know,
the muscles grow completely different than bones grow completely different.
It also changes you know, body parts gender tailor and stuff.
So it's really really dangerous. But when you have people
like Rachel Levine, the transgender US Assistant Secretary of Health,
When you have someone like that pushing this, you know,
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and they have been exposed. There was exposed emails with
the Daily Caller where Rachel talked about profitability and returning
investment with gender clinics in terms of transitioning kids, and
the Biden administration have made it very clear they want
to normalize this. So when you have the government health
service pushing this, it's really hard to push back and
actually try and expose what's going on. And You're right,
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you get a lot of pushback. I get crazy pushback.
I even have journalists had to be death threats because
I'm trying to expose what's going on. You know, we
all have a duty. These are kids. We have to
speak up for them. We have to alert into the
long term consequences. And this isn't medicine and it's not exact.
I mean, this is not like if someone breaks a
bone and you know how to set it again. When
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we're talking about removing someone's genitals, this is not there's
no real answer to this, and we've heard of. I mean,
I actually have not heard of a lot of success
stories with that situation. You talk about incontinence, I've heard
horror stories and I'm just going to be really graphic
and honest with you, but we've been told. You know,
(18:37):
these doctors they create, they take the penis, they inverted,
they created a vagina. This is not how the human
body works, so that the female body has systems that
clean and lubricate in all of those things. We have
heard stories about feces getting up into this area. There's
no self cleaning is These people have to deal with
(18:59):
odors our whole lives, they have to deal with incontinence.
I mean, this is graphic, but I think that it
deserves to be told the truth absolutely. You know, I
speak with de transitioners all the time. I'm trying to
give them a platform and share their story, and it's
a horror story. If a girl is transitioning to a boy,
they actually have to cut a big chunk off their
arms to make into a penis. And you know a
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lot of them have internal bleeding. They have bleeding every
time they use the restroom. It's very difficult for them
to walk. The clinics don't tell them that. And you're right.
There are so many horror stories out there and it's
absolutely shocking. Now you see on Twitter sometimes these graphic
images of women that have become men or vice versa,
and it's just shocking. It's actually like a science experiment.
So we really need to stop this now. It is
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a science experiment. And you talk about this creation of
the penis, the other way around, you're removing the penis.
And I also think that this is something that people
cannot fathom ahead of time because you want to be
done with this, you want to be the other gender.
And so when the doctors, I think in cases where
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the doctors are like, yeah, this is going to work.
There may be some complications, but it's going to work.
I think it's so easy to say I hear that
it's going to work and it's going to be good,
and not really understand what it means to have your
nerves them cut through, your nerves, have no feeling. I've
read stories of people who have no feeling between their
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legs at all, and to me, this is horrifying. I
know what it is to have no feeling, you know,
I know what it is to have no feeling in
the chest area of my body, because that's what happens
when they do a double mussectomy. They cut through all
of your nerves. It's the same thing. But think, I mean,
this is the area of your body that has all
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of your sexual receptors, you know, all of those nerves
that give you pleasure when you are having a relationship
with another person. And sex, to me is something that
you should not be robbing people of because it's such
a defining factor of intimacy with your spouse, of feeling
that love and connection. And you do you talk about
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people searching for love and connection. How can doctors remove
the ability to have a sexual intimate relationship with orgasms
from people knowing that they will never have a Well,
they don't even tell the patients half of the time.
And you know when when you're doing this to teenagers,
they don't even think about those things. They don't know
(21:27):
anything about that. And also we have to know a
lot of girls that do transition transition into boys, they
can't actually have a baby. They're going to really struggle
to conceive in their later life. So now imagine taking
a person's right away to have a child. That is
just beyond horrifying. But again, the clinics to doctors, they
do not inform these kids. You know, in many you know,
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Democrat states across the US, they just get a prescription
very easily. They need one visit to a therapist, get
a sign letter, and then they start on a course
of hormones, and the hallmones change the body completely, even
without the surgery. These wholements changed the genitaium. They promote
breast gripe and boys and it's just horrified. But these
clinics are not informing anyone of the long term consequences.
(22:10):
We saw recently a person who was working at one
of these clinics and she is actually married to a
transgender person, who came out and said, I started to
see that this may not be truly transgender people that
are coming. It's young people who are having a social contagion.
Because she said, we had a whole entire class come
(22:31):
to the clinic, and the clinic was like, yeah, no,
this is good. And I think there are genuinely transgender
people out there. I mean, we've seen people who have
lived their lives as the opposite gender. But it's a
small The reality is it's a small number. We can't
lie about the fact that it's a small number. But
we also what you've said about TikTok and social media.
(22:52):
It is convincing people. But what do you think the
potential is that whole entire classrooms or friend groups are
getting convinced into this because, like you said, people were
celebrating the fact that you needed to understand you were
actually a woman. How many people are getting pushed into
that and they can't figure out how to back out
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of it. You made a great point there. There's a
very very small minority of people that actually do feel
transgender the whole life. So you've got Kate and Jenna
is a great example. But the vast majority of these
kids would never have had these ideas about change their
gender unless they're being taught in schools, unless they're seeing
it on TikTok, unless they're going to drag story hours.
We need to look at what society is doing. Society
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is pushing this on kids, and that reference you made,
I believe it's the Saint Louis, Missouri Clinic. I remember
there was a whistleblow and they said that entire groups
of girls. They're seeing an increase in girls from the
same schools with fame classes were being referred to the
clinic eleven twelve years old, and they're being put on
these hormones and stuff. And you know, if we look
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at their graphs, if we look at the statistics, all
of these statistics have gone up very dramatically within really
a space of five to ten years. Prior to that,
you had very very small numbers, you know, across the US,
you know, maybe a few hundred people per year transitioning.
Now suddenly it's in the tens of thousands, and it's
going on a very sharp incline. So we have to
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look at what is behind that these gender clinics are
popping up everywhere when you've got the Biden administration normalizing
this and pushing it, and you know, you can't escape this.
I mean, you know, talk about being in a pressed minority,
which is what transactivists like to claim. Literally, you have
trans flags painted everywhere, they have the Trans Day of Visibility,
and it's like it is a minority of people, and
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it's you know, I get that there are some people
like Kate and Jender that are, you know, feel trans
their whole life, but we shouldn't be catering for a
small minority, and we shouldn't be pushing other people to
join this well, And that seems like that's why I
think everybody's saying, whoa, what is bud Light doing? Why
is Kate Spade doing this? Why are we being why
is this being pushed on us? And why is it
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in every movie and being pushed in every television show
when this is this is not necessarily a large community.
And also it's not really a satisfying life for someone
who is not truly trans and so pushing people into
a lifestyle that is not truly theirs is not going
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to end well for society. But also I would say
I think that there's so many people who say, well, gosh,
if you say that, you're hateful you And so I
think that these companies are being pushed into this because
the last thing they want to be labeled as is
hateful or not inclusive. And you know, if you're not inclusive,
then you're like the worst person on the planet, and
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so they can demonize you for talking about it. But
I think it has led a lot of parents to
be led by some of these radical physicians rather than
doing their own research. And that's why I think it's
important to have these discussions when you talk about the
realities of these hormone treatments. We're talking about kids as
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young as eleven years old, who are girls who are
suddenly growing facial hair, their body their voices are changing,
Their bodies are changing vice versa. Boys who are growing breasts,
they're not getting their voices are not deepening. But these
are permanent changes that cause sterility, and that is something
(26:23):
that no one is out there saying. And I've had
parents say to me, well, I'd rather they be sterile
and happy, but are you happy if you never You're
not At this point, it's getting younger and younger, so
you were in the situation of doing this as an adult.
But think about puberty blockers. So young these kids, the
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boys are not even growing a penis that is large
enough to invert, and so they're taking skin from other
parts of their body and therefore they're never getting to
the point where they can have any type of romantic relationship.
It's the same with the girls. Why are we lying
about the fact that a may you're part of a
person's life is removed by these hormone treatments. They can
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never have children, they can never have sex. They will
likely struggle to find a partner. Why is that something
we're not allowed to say, right, Well, we don't acknowledge
gender at all because these gender clinics just want to
get so many customers through their doors. Is it money,
There's a lot of money being made. In twenty twenty two,
it was estimated two point two billion dollars was made
via these gender clinics as a whole. But what we
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need to look at a lot of these kids are
being misdiagnosed. So again with the case with the whistleblower
in Saint Louis, Missouri, most of these kids are struggling
with their mental health. Their teenagers, they're going through puberty.
It's a really difficult time. Some of them may be autistic,
some of them may have bipolar, some of them have depression.
And what's happening is clinics are misdiagnosing those things and
just saying, okay, well let's change your gender. That's why
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you feel like this. And that's completely harmful because you
know these kids are going to feel ten times worse
down the line. They've already got these pre existing conditions.
So when you add hormones which completely change the completely
changed the chemical imbalance in the brain. It's only going
to make the mental health struggles worse. And like you said,
they can't have fulfilling relationships, like they're very limited to
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what they can do in adult life, So you know,
it's only going to make what conditions they have already
ten times worse. I think it's interesting because when I
went through my reconstruction surgery, reconstructive surgery, the surgeon went
through in great detail what we could do to make
sure that I still had range of motion, what we
could do to make sure I could still pick up
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the girls, still have an active life, you know my age.
What that meant for how we would do the surgery.
And I think about that that was something that we
felt had to happen to protect me, to keep me alive. Right,
And here are these I assume these conversations are similar.
This is what we'll be limited by, this is what
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we want to do to make sure you're not limited
by this. But how can doctors who sign an oath
to do no harm just start cutting into healthy bodies?
I mean, it just doesn't make sense when you're seeing this.
It's like a you know doctor Mengel from World War Two.
It's like a scientic. Yeah, these kids, and there's no
duty of care. We saw again with the Missouri case
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some of the doctors when they had patients that were
complaining about the affection of the hormones or the surgeries,
the doctors basically said, it's not our problem anymore. They've
already done the surgeries. That's it. So the problem is,
you know, these clinics, they're not doing their duty of care.
They have no morals or ethic ethical standards, which is
the basic thing you should be doing as a doctoral nurse.
That's your number one priority to protect the patient's health.
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I think that that's what people aren't hearing what you
just said, is the doctors kind of disappear on them
after if if something goes wrong, it's like, yeah, I
told you there could be a problem, suck it up. Yeah.
I mean that's the common denominator we've seen time and
time again these gender clinics. They do not support de transitions.
We had this gender clinic in the United Kingdom, it's
(29:56):
called Tavistock, and it's being shut down because there were
so many horror worries and what happened is the clinic
wants the kids were out the door. They didn't do
any follow up studies. They didn't do any checkups like
one year down the line, two years down the line,
to see the effects of these all mental pubsy blockers.
And that's why the two do you see, the data
is skewed when they say there's such a low detransition
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rates because they don't involve to check on their patients.
So you know when they say, oh see, that's how
medicine works. Because for example, going through cancer, the breast surgeon,
I don't ever I never see the breast surgeon again.
I see an oncologist, I see the plastic surgeon. I
never see the breast surgeon again because his job is
simply to get the cancer out. This is these plastic surgeons.
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Their job is not to come back to you and
say how are you doing and did you need anything else?
Can I take care of you? They were trained in
medical school to do plastic surgery and then their patient
is gone. And so that's the part of this that
doesn't make any sense. Really, there is no follow up care,
and what are these clinics doing. Are they providing the
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psychologists because psychiatrists are now just prescribers. Surgeons are just surgeons.
I think people don't understand that medicine is very very
segmented what your area of expertise is. You don't then
help the person afterward. You don't go back to the
person and say, well, how is that breast surgery? Doing
that I did? Because he's done with me, you know.
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And so I think that's another sort of misconception of
having these radical surgeries is that that person that surgeon
cares about you wants to be in your life through
ust You're like, no, that's they did, that's their job,
and then they move on. Yeah. Absolutely. But with a
lot of these gender clinics, you know they refer kids
to therapists in order to get the gender dys for
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a diagnosis, and you know, these therapists are basically on
the payroll of these clinics, so they're gonna you know,
sign the kid off for yeah, find for hormones, find
for surgery, and then that's that what happens when they
detransition or afterwards, they don't offer the therapists, They don't
off a psychologists, which when you're doing this to a job,
when you're changing their entire body. They're going through so
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many changes, which is very difficult to cope with, so
it's very important for them to have follow up studies.
How are you doing? Is there any adverse side effects?
Because many of these kids are having side effects and
the clinics are just simply abandoning them. You know, they
should have a support system, but they shouldn't be doing
this in the first place. But now, a good clinic
would have psychologists, therapists on hands that I'm non biased,
that their only interest was protecting the patients. But sadly
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that doesn't exist. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll
continue next on a Tutor Dixon podcast. It's really hard
when you are a young person and you feel that
peer pressure to then back out of it. I think,
I mean, we know this from centuries of people being
influenced by peer pressure. You've gone through this. You said
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that you had a lot of the people saying that
you're just a woman, you need to go for this
and do this. We've heard a lot of de transitioners
come out and say once I said, it started this train,
and I could not get off the train, and no
matter what I said, people were like no, no, go
for this, because people around these folks have been so
trained to say support it, support it, support it, that
(33:13):
it becomes more than just support it's you have to
do this now. What do you What is your advice
to those young people who say, I feel like I'm
on a train, it's going too fast. I want to
jump off, but I don't want to disappoint everybody around me.
What's your advice? Right? I mean, there is so much
peer pressure because once you start doing more extreme things
to yourself, you can't really stop. And that was my situation.
(33:35):
I was just doing more and more and more. I
was on this train that was basically about to crash,
and I had to take a step back. I was like,
I can't do this anymore. But yeah, a lot of
these kids are feeding peer pressures because when you have
the entertainment industry, Hollywood teachers, your school friends saying no, no,
this is fine, this is normal that you feel like this,
you are meant to be the opposite gender. It kind
of reinforces their belief and they're getting praised, They're getting
(33:57):
all this positivity that they've never experienced before. So it's
really difficult, and you know the problem of people de
transitioning is they're very scared to speak about it because firstly,
they don't have anyone to talk to. There's no one
out there that will speak to them and say, oh, yeah,
this is the right thing, all the trans community, and
they will literally abandon you. They will attack you, they
will harass you. If you dare to question the narrative
(34:18):
that oh maybe this wasn't the right decision for this person,
you get attacks. So now what is the duty of
you know, all people like me you, We need to
speak up and make a platform for these de transitions
and give them an opportunity to share their story, removing
the stigma. We need to praise them for their bravery
and sharing their vulnerability, and you know, tell them it's
(34:39):
okay to do this. And there are various states. Florida
and several other states are passing laws the band genera
having care and several states are now allowing kids to
sue these clinics. So, you know, I think that's the
step forward. The more people that come forward, the more
we can stop this. I think it is amazing that
you've been so brave, that you've been willing to go
(35:00):
out there and have this discussion and really open up
what happened to you, how you made these decisions, and
be kind of a sounding board for these kids and
even for kids that are saying, gosh, it's going too
fast being there, that they can look you up, that
they can find out what you're doing. Just tell our
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audience really quickly where they can find you what you're doing. Next.
About the book, all of that stuff, right, So I'm
very active on Twitter. I expose a lot of the
gender ideology, so that's at Holli London TV. Also on
Truth Social at Olli London and so I've written the book.
So the book is half of it's about my experience
basically what led me to that place, the bullying that's
influence on social media. The second half of the book
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is really examining what is going on in the world
right now, Where has all of a sudden this pushed
to transition kids come from. Because it's a very recent phenomenon.
So you know, I examined TikTok, I examine the history
of transgenderism, the first transgenderal operations where in the nineteen
twenties in Germany. I look at all that and look
at how did it get to where we are today,
where we're doing this to kids. I also look at
(36:04):
the attack on parental rights. I spend most of my
time in America, so you know, I've examined all the
different state laws and how parents can get involved because
many of these schools, these wont schools, are teaching kids
about changing the gender and the parents have no idea.
So I want to help the parents see the warning
signs and be more involved in the things that their
schools are pushing on their kids. So it's called Gender Madness,
(36:26):
and it's on pre order on Amazon, Bonds and Nobles
and other bookstores right now. Thank you so much. I
so enjoyed talking to you Ali London. You are doing
incredible things. We're going to keep following you. I'd love
to have you back on sometime definitely. I really appreciate it.
Thank you for the opportunity. Yes, thank you, and thank
you all for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
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