January 15, 2025 • 32 mins
In this episode, Tudor and guest Sam Mirejovsky discuss the complexities surrounding H-1B visas, including personal stories, historical context, and the current state of the program. They explore concerns about the abuse of the visa system by corporations seeking cheaper labor, the implications for American workers, and the need for reform. The conversation also touches on the role of education, the impact of foreign students in universities, and the importance of manufacturing for national security. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, we are going
to be talking about H one B visus. I know
you're all like, why would we talk about that, but
come on, let's be honest. Everybody right now is going
what is the deal with these H one B visas.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I have my own opinion on them.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I've had my own experience with having struggles getting workers,
and I just well, we'll get into all of it
and I'll tell you exactly how I feel. But I
decided I needed someone who was really smart on this
and really can talk about it. So we're bringing in
Sam Murjovski with us. He is a lawyer and radio
host out of Nevada, and he is going to dive
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into this issue with us.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Sam, thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Well, Tudor, great to have, great to be here with you,
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Absolutely so.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
We are obviously watching people back and forth discuss this.
There were these tweets from I guess it was Vivak
Ramaswami who was tweeting out about bringing in outside workers.
A lot of people have historically felt like we needed
to get tech workers with H one B visas, and
now there's an argument that while we'd rather just use
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American workers. Why are we relying on this? So give me,
like your background on this whole situation.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Well, so you know, part of my personal story, my
parents came to this country immigrants from Europe. My mother
is a is a scientist, and she came in on
an H one B visa. So, I you know, my
part of my story I have to be transparent about
this is that you know, I'm here because of this program. Now,
that was back in nineteen seventy seven, and I would
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I would go on to say my mom, you know,
contributed to science in a profound way.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I mean she.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Created a drug called proper fall, which is used in
every you know, general anesthesia basically across the country, across
the world. So you know, she's not a slouch, and
she's the kind of person that, of course we want
to attract to the country that are bringing you know,
technical skill, know how and expertise.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So I would argue that that was back at a
time when this was not abused. And I say that
because I think now it is abused in a way
where we have people coming over here, they are coming
over here getting our technology taking it back. There's just
a whole lot of mystery around whether or not we're
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getting good people to come over here, whether or not
we're just taking a group from one country.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You know, there's a lot of abuse.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I would say with hm BB's is because any program
that starts out well, if it's not monitored, can be abused.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Well, that's that's one thousand percent correct. And what I'm
seeing when and I've spent a lot of time pouring
over the data. It's all publicly available, and it's fascinating,
I really get the impression that a lot of employers
out there just want to get people to work for less.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I mean, I mean, that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
If you look at prevailing wages in certain areas, you
know they're they're attracting you know, let's say, you know,
a data and analyst for you know, seventy five to
eighty thousand dollars a year when they know that they
would have to pay you know, a domestic you know,
an American whatever resident or a citizen you know, maybe
one twenty one thirty for the same job. And that's
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not what it's intended to do. That's to me, that's
that's an abuse of the system, and that you know,
the numbers bear it out too, just in the in
the in the sheer number and the growth, exponential boom
of applications by companies to bring these workers in. So
both on the you know, both on the on the
security side, you know, I would I'd be very suspicious
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from countries that are hostile to us, for example, China
bringing in you know, bringing in skilled workers, because you know,
I mean, I I'll tell you I know this firsthand.
You know, the most innocuous people are all required to
report back to Beijing. They have handlers in the US.
It's something we I think as Americans can't even wrap
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our minds around to realize just how much we are
being we are being violated on this.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So this is what we've been trying to explain to
people because certainly in Michigan, we've seen this factory that's
coming here, and initially this story was, well, we're going
to bring.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
This is how bizarre this was.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Initially the story was they were bringing this factory over.
It would be run by Chinese nationals with a few Americans,
and then the workers would actually live in the local
dorms and they would be Chinese nationals that they would
bring over as well. Well.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Once that actually went.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
National and people started to really hear, okay, this is
the news.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well we're not.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Actually the workers will be Michigan people. The workers will
be Americans. We'll have a few Chinese nationals. But again,
you have that to me is a very big problem
when you have people who are connected. I mean, there's
nobody that's buying a company that is a Chinese company
owner that is not connected to the CCP. They're all
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reporting back, they're all pledging their allegiance to g and
they're all given information back.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So that's an area where I think that we all
have to.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Be careful whether it is a corporation or whether it's
a corporation that is being built by the Chinese. But
we also do see that they are these corporations are
bringing people over to save money. They're making record profits
saving money. And let me go back to you talk
about this being a program that was helpful for your
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mom in the seventies, but that was also a time
when it wasn't the natural progression to go from high
school straight to college, that every American wasn't necessarily getting
a degree.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Now it really is.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
A situation where most people are getting degrees, and most
people are getting degrees in tech or science or something
like that. There's plenty of Americans that are and I'm
not saying that it shouldn't exist. I'm just saying that
there's more opportunity to hire Americans that have those degrees,
and they are getting passed up because they can buy
someone else for a lot less money.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, right, and so there's there's there's three different things
that you went over there. They're all excellent points, sort
of working backwards, you know, the I am look at Apple, right,
Apple I think is one of the abusers of the program,
and they have the means. They're sitting on billions of
dollars in cash. They could afford to pay more for
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these STEM jobs. They could And what will happen is
and you're exactly right, I mean, can you imagine, I
mean if if these jobs did pay more. And I
know a lot of high you know, high intellect people,
high you know brain power people that I certainly grew
up with. How come more of them didn't go into STEM?
And the reason that they went into finance and they
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went into law is because you know, there's more money there.
And so but what I mean Apple and Google and
Meta and all these companies are are hugely profitable companies.
Why are they not paying more? And the answer is
because they can get away with paying less. And that's
that's not okay. And to that and I think that
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I think that the you know, I think that the
more you know, I don't I don't say natives, but
but that that part of the MAGA movement is has
a point. They have a valid point. Why are we
in these communities? So now, going kind of back to
what you were saying earlier about that factory that you
were describing, where they're going to just import workers and
become a Chinese colony on US soil. Yes, now here's
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an What I would want to know is how many
people in that town are on welfare or on some
sort of public support who cannot get work, and we
are we would be importing foreign labor into that town
and at the same time subsidizing Americans sitting at home.
And to me, we can't be a competitive economy. I'm
talking about competitiveness, right, you see, but oh, we have
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to be a competitive economy. We're going to keep pumping,
you know, cheap labor into the country. We're not going
to be competitive. How can we be competitive if we're
going to be literally subsidizing people sitting on their rump
is doing nothing. And at the same time, you know,
just just opening our doors to our frankly, to powers
that are hostile to us. And then finally you're you're
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absolutely right. I'm not going to labor the point about,
you know, the spying in the espionage, but I you know,
I used to live in Irvine, California, and it's a
lot of Chinese people. They are very wealthy people who
own factories, and we had neighbors and I'll never forget,
you know. I was I was asking a group of
you know, Chinese neighbors that it will get together about
something that was going on in China, and nobody wanted
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to say a thing. And about a year later, I
was with one of the families and uh, and the
guy goes, oh, I couldn't tell you this when we
were all there together, and I said, go on, I
knew where it was headed because I'm familiar with this,
and he goes, they're all, we all they all report
to their handlers, and they would I can't lose my factories.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
So I can't speak openly.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Wow, in the US.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
This is in the United States of America, in California,
in Irvine. I mean I experienced it firsthand. So you
are one thousand percent correct.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Well, I will you mentioned Apple, and I will just
say that I think there's a few issues there that
I really believe the Trump administration should look into. Because
you have iPhone City in China. iPhone City is essentially
slave labor. We should not be allowing an American corporation
to use slave labor. And then you have them bringing
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people in and they're paying low wages here, and the
whole thing it reeks.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
It's it's actually very It makes me very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
And I admit, you get to a point where you're like, oh, well,
everybody has an Apple phone, everybody has an Apple Watch,
you know, but when you really look at the way
they treat people, it's concerning.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Well, it is, and you know, some of it is
you know, once removed via like companies like Fox con right,
But you're you're absolutely correct, and you know, and I
love it because at least, at least we conservatives are
are open and acknowledge this problem. And and you've got
the virtue signaling left that that talks about human trafficking
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and slave labor and Liverpool wages and everything, and then
they perfectly are fine buying everything from China. So you know,
this is where I think Trump's tariffs are actually the
right weapon to use against this. And you'll hear a
lot of very smart people arguing against it, and I think,
I think, look, I mean this my phone I've got.
I'm looking at an iPhone right here, and and I
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love my iPhone. I'm not you know, I'm not really,
But it's fourteen hundred and fifteen hundred bucks now for
an iPhone?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
And what did it cost to produce?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
And and where is that?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
And and is that right that American workers aren't producing this?
And and and who's to say that, you know, who's
to say that the that that we couldn't produce it
domestically somewhere in that general range of price? Uh and
and and still be able to produce a profit for Apple.
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So it's just there isn't there is an ethical component
to this, and bringing manufacturing back to this country isn't
just something that's important for economy, it's important for a
national security.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Too, absolutely, because every iPhone that comes in from China.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I mean, give me a break.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
We're concerned about Huawei, We're concerned about any type of
tech that's coming in. Every single one of us is
holding carrying something with us everywhere we go that comes
in and could potentially have some tracking device from China,
and we know we're being tracked all the time. You know,
like the idea that we think that we're safe by
getting rid of one app, you're using a device that
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came from there. And they control everything that is manufactured,
whether you are an American company or not. The Chinese
have total control. And that's why you see this push
for America first. But it's not just building it in America.
I mean, it would be one thing to be in
an allied country. It's a whole different situation to be
in an adversarial country. Like if you're building products with
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Speaker 2 (13:16):
I think there's.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Also some confusion from the average American as to what
that is, because I hear people say all the time,
how would our farms run. How would our factories run
if we weren't bringing these these people in to fill
these jobs. And I always say, no, no, no, no, no, no,
these are not the people that are filling those jobs,
because these are people that have to have a degree.
When we tried to get workers in because there's so
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few steel founderies left in the United States, there is.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Truly a lost skill. So my dad bought it.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
He worked with a factory actually most recently out of Indiana,
and he was trying to bring workers in from eastern
Europe because there was nobody that understood meant steel casting
manufacturing anymore. You wanted to bring in thirteen guys that
could teach our guys on the floor how to pour
and finish steal castings can't do it because it's maybe
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it's a skill, but you don't need a degree for it,
so they don't fall into this category. So where Americans
oftentimes think you're bringing in all these workers and they're
filling the jobs that we can't get Americans to fill,
not true.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Well, yeah, there's by the way, there's like the twenty
plus different categories of different visa levels that are that
correspond to two different other different programs by which people
can be brought into the country, and and they are,
you know. But but so when we talk about the
H one B visa, I think people generally just call
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all of these visas one thing. You're absolutely right, the
H one B visas a skilled person with a college
degree or you know, a college degree of the university
training of some kind, and there's a minimum you know,
income level or a salary.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Excuse me.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
But what I think is, I come back to this.
It isn't so much about the skill and the reason
I know that meaning the way the program is being
used right in practice. The reason I keep coming back
to this is why are they all from India? Why
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are they not from Germany or from Sweden or from
you know, France, you know, the stem learning of Frankly,
I know, we're we're you know, America is woeful in this.
In our you know, kind of K through twelve university
is a little bit better, but K through twelve is abominable.
But in Europe it's it's it's it's better and English
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is better and a lot of things are better.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
But the reason that.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
We have so many people come from India is because
we can get them for less. It's it is all
about salary shopping. That's the infuriating part of it. So
it's to me, it's not I mean, it's I think
it's not a are racist thing to say, hey, wait
a minute, why are we taking so many people from India.
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The real reason, in my view, is these companies recognize
that they're they're taking this. They've got some you know,
certainly there's a lot of people there who fit the
bill quote unquote, but they can pick them up for
just over that minimum threshold. They can get them for
sixty five seventy eighty thousand dollars and people in Western
Europe wouldn't take that job for under two hundred, you know,
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one fifty. So that's it's just dollars and cents.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I mean, so what is the solution to that?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Because I can see how a businessman like a vivig
Ramaswami would go, well, this is a good deal because
your products are going to be lower if they come,
which it doesn't ever seem like that's the case. Somehow,
the CEO always has a private jet in a yacht.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
It's like these companies that bring these folks in, they're
paying them less.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That's not the American way.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
And it seems very strange to hear people promoting the
idea of bringing in someone in from another country and
paying them less. It seems it seems very wrong. It
seems very Unamerican to do that.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Well, I want to be very clear. I mean, I'm
a proud capitalist. Have I biggrudge no one their yacht
or their playing or their success, their big house. And
I hope, I hope billionaires stay billionaires. I want people
to get rich in this country. I really do. Now,
I also want us in order to live in the
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best country in the world, which we do, and to
keep it this way, we must build up our middle
class or upper middle class, and we have to for
the sake of the country, as we mentioned earlier, really
bring manufacturing back into the US. Now, I think where
I'm at philosophically on this is And if you followed,
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it was right after Christmas, right, so I'm sort of
in my Christmas stupor, and I'm following this fight between
the Veke who I love, I love a Vic and
Elon Musk and other people chiming in, and you know,
and vi Vik's perspective was very different from some other
people that were fighting him and my I think where
that fight ended is exactly where I've been all along.
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I think we absolutely should go around the world and
look to poach the top one percent. I believe in them.
I think it should be harder to take people from
China they would have I think people should be screened,
you know, by by the by the security services, by
you know, I see, yeah, I really think there has
to be some screenings.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
But there's something right because you have to apply for
the visa.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
It's not as though they can just hand them out.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I have no faith right now in our ontelligence communities whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I think that's all pro forma.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
And I also think that they're all in bed with China,
so I I, you know, I'm very skeptical of that
having any real meaning. But there really should be a
serious vetting of those people. But look, should we be
taking the top one percent, you know, zero point one
percent for Germany from from from Great Britain.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
I mean, the.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Country's going in the toilet right now? Absolutely, yes, yes, yes,
all day long. So the program should be far more
narrowly tailored and the minimum salary should go way up
that's the solution, because the sixty five K or I
think it's sixty five k is is nothing you're talking about.
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So you're talking about college again because of the requirements
in there. You're talking about people with a specific skill,
college graduates, et cetera. And you're setting the minimum minimum
salary at sixty five I mean, of course it's going
to get abused.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Of course employers are going to bring you know, are
going to are going to use that to undercut our
own college graduates.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
So is that minimum is that salary set by that's
a visa? Like the visa the minimum salary to bring
someone in?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Is that what you're saying, Yeah, that's the min There's
there's a floor, right so you you know, I've seen
some people saying, well, look at this they're bringing in,
you bringing people for three five K year.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
You know, there's a minimum floor there.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
And one thing that is a little bit deceptive is
that's the salaries. The bonuses aren't listed, so the bonus
structure could be higher. But my point is, you know,
I know people in tech. You know people in tech,
you know what those jobs pay. You know, domestically those
are well paid. People rightly so, and so my sense
of it is is absolutely we're bringing people who are
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delighted to come to the US and work for sixty
five k year and they live four or five of
them in a single apartment. And that's I don't think
that's right to anybody involved, right.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Because obviously, if you live here, you deserve to have
the same life as any other person who lives here.
I mean, really, you shouldn't say this person is used
to lower pay in their country. Well, you live in
this You have to live in this country to work
in this country.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, well and absolutely, and look again, the overarching kind
of perspective on this, the common sense conservative approaches. We
want companies to be successful, but every single country around
the world uses tariffs to protect their domestic industry. Why
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are we the only idiots around? Like you go to
I don't know if you've ever been to South Korea.
You go to South Korea, a huge manufacturing country, and
you know, and then you know, you find out, oh,
somebody's you see one Mercedes and well, why, oh, well,
because it costs two hundred and fifty grand, Sam, you know,
that's why you can buy a Hyundai for you know,
whatever a Hundai cost. But if you want to buy
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a Mercedes or gosh forbid, a Jeep or something from America, Germany, wherever.
I mean, it's it's one hundred percent, hundred and fifty
percent tariff and they're protecting their industry with it, and.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Oh my gosh, but you know it's it's not a
lie because you look at the countries that haven't. I mean,
look at Germany. They are shutting down Volksweigen factories because
the Chinese vehicles have come in and taken over, and
they didn't set that standard. They didn't protect their own
industry and their own own vehicles. So now they're losing
their own auto manufacturing facilities because they've had a foreign
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country come in and take over their market share. And
that's what I think, you know, coming from Michigan, that's
been the fear from Michiganers this whole time, is like, well,
are we put the world on wheels? You know, we
make American cars if we don't have tariffs, and there
is the ability for if we.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Don't have somebody holding China at bay.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
They they do well with their vehicles, They make electric cars,
they know how to do it.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
They've been able to take over the market.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
They have the materials, that's that's their bread and butter.
You know, we don't want them coming in and taking
over our gas powered vehicle lines and obsoleting what we do.
That's very dangerous and that's why we have to have
somebody that's going to protect that in Washington, right.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Well, and two things on that right and again, you
know as far as the EV market, you know, it
never works when the government tells companies what is guess
who decides what companies produce. We the consumers, we with
our wall as decide what it gets produced. So that's
one thing. The other part of that is, of course,
of course you know it's so it's crazy to me
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because you know, you mentioned Folkswagen and and it's happening there.
You know in Michigan, you know, we are industries will
get gutted. There's always someone who will be able to
produce something for cheaper, who has a poorer population. And
the cautionary tale here is and I'm maybe a little
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bit of a of a of a skeptic when it
comes to the left and when it comes to you know,
the politicians out there who are selling these selling our
countries out both the US, Germany, around the world the
West collectively doing this is I just think that they
want people to be poor. If everybody's out of work
and everybody's not If if people aren't gainfully employed, if
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people aren't don't have the pro of bringing home a
good living to their family, they're broken. And if they're broken,
they vote Democrat, they vote socialists, they vote communists, and
they maintain empower the very people that created this problem.
So we have a once in a generation opportunity in
ten days, you know, when Trump comes into office to
fix this. I hope we do, because really the future
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of our country depends on it.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. What's your take on what's happening
with our universities giving space to foreign students? And I
will tell you that we've had some parents. I've talked
to parents actually across the country. I have a daughter
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that's a sophomore, So I'm at that age where people
everybody's starting to look at universities and talking to the
parents who just sent their kids, and it's been really
tough to get kids into our top twenty universities. They
just don't seem to be the spaces. I mean for
multiple reasons. But one is foreign students pay higher tuition
and they bring them in.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
So I have I have two competing interests in this
to disclose. One, I have a next year he'll be
a senior white male who will be looking for a
spot in the university somewhere in the US. So that's
going to be tricky. Number Two, I am on the
board of a university in Orangetowny, California, Chapman University, and
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so you know, I have some insight into you know,
the benefits of of certainly on the financial side, and
also I would say some some cultural benefits of bringing
in you know, foreign students, the fore and students. The
reason that foreign students are popular on universities is.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
That they pay.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
They pay a lot. And one of the challenges it's
going to exist for universities is particularly if Trump and
you know, carry through with some of his threats slash
promises about reforming the Department of Education, reforming fast so
you know student aid, uh, you know, federal funding for
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student loans, et cetera. You know, these universities are going
to have to fill budgetary holes. So this is going
to be a delicate dance. Well, I think I absolutely
believe again that if you are an American, if you're
a resident, you know, alien, if you are living in
the United States, your kids get should get priority, plain
(26:28):
and simple. The way I understand that we use it
a chapment and I'm not speaking from the schools to
just my observation is that is that we you know,
there's graduate positions and programs that are opened up to
foreign students and and and it never has impacted you know,
students that are are are domestic looking to be admitted
into the university.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Just never has.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
But I I hear the criticism, and I believe some
schools out there are doing this, and I think that
there's just going to be a lot of wake up
for universities in general. It's a whole other topic of
where this is going. And I would I would even
say this, you know, and again I say this was
you know, a kid who's kind of figuring out where
he wants to go to school is. I don't even
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know what the draw of the top twenty schools are
anymore after they I have seen, you know what, I
have seen I I you know, I mean and by
the way I you know, with AI coming, you know, tutor,
this is a whole nother This I love. This is
one of my favorite topics. I know we're short on time,
but you know, I I look at you know what
AI is going to do to our kids right that
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are in that in that you know, young adulthood or
soon to be in young adulthood. Everything is going to change.
So one of the things I've told my son, and
I'm saying this is a as a college graduate and
a graduate school graduate is hey, I mean going to
college just to go to college may not be the path.
I mean, if you learn how to, if you can
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learn a trade and build a business around a trade,
you may be far more successful in life than some
people that are now deciding to go to college and
end up in a career that will be obsolete in
ten years.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
The funny thing is that may have always been the case,
and we just weren't paying attention to that.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Because when you.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Run for office, you talk to people all the time
that are supporters. So you either have the supporters on
the other side or.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Your own supporters.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
And as I went around Michigan, and obviously I know
that we are more of a manufacturing industrial state. But
the wealthiest people who were giving to the Republican cause,
many of them would tell me if I were to
start my business today, which was right out of high
school in my garage, the regulations have changed so much,
(28:37):
I couldn't do today what I did back then, and
I never went to college to do it.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, I mean, of course, I mean our governments just
incessantly in the way. And again I think it's part
of a broader scheme that the government has. Again, they
want to make it difficult to succeed. If you succeed,
you become independent. If you become independent, you don't need them.
And the Republican Party for me, has always been, you know,
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the Party of independence for independent people who want to
succeed on their own and just want government to in
the worlds of words of Ron Ray and get the
hell out of the way. So, you know, so again
I agree one hundred percent, and I sense that there's
an opportunity for a great American revival starting with Michigan
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and other states where manufacturing, once you know, reigns supreme.
I really hope over the next four years and the
next eight after that, hopefully with JD Vance that this
country really finds its footing again. And it has to
start with manufacturing, has to start with small business, has
to start with some common sense approach approaches to these
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problems that we talked about.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
You know, I think so many people I'll just end
on this.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I think so many parents feel this pressure of my
kid has to go to a really good college, and
my kid has to have a great degree, and the
next step is absolutely going straight to college. And like
I said, the people that I met, that was not
their story, and their stories are so interesting. We had
a woman on here who talked about entrepreneurs. She'd interviewed
all these successful entrepreneurs and what their childhood was like.
(30:11):
And one of the folks, even that we work with
on a daily basis, his son didn't go to college.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
And he started working out in the racing.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Circuit and sort of looked at what was going on
and like, oh, these are the throwaway parts that we
need to buy all the time. Started reverse engineering some
of those parts and saying, man, I can bring them in.
I can do them at home on my three D printer.
And you know that kind of entrepreneurial spirit is what
built this country. I love that, and I'm like for
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the parents, it's a little nerve wracking to be like,
oh gosh, do you not have that.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Piece of paper that you have to have to succeed?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
And yet they're like the book that this woman wrote
time and time again, it was parents saying as much
as I freaked out about it, I had to step
back and say, I have to trust him or her
to know what they love most and what will take
them in that next direction.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
So it's an interesting time.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I'm sure you're feeling the same thing with a child
that age, like what do I do?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
How do I guide them?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (31:14):
And they're scared, you know, and I remember, as do you, right,
you remember that time in your life where you didn't
know what would happen. But you know, we parents have
to have faith in them and they actually I think
our youth now are far more aware of what opportunities
there are than I think I was at there at
my son's age.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I always tell him, I don't know if I should
give you any advice. I'll let you know once I've
figured out what I'm going to do when I grow up.
I love it well, Sam, It's been wonderful having you.
Sam Murjowski, thank you so much for being on here.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Well, thank you, Thank you, Tutor. A pleasure and great
to meet you and be with you.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
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Speaker 2 (32:03):
Have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, we are going
to be talking about H one B visus. I know
you're all like, why would we talk about that, but
come on, let's be honest. Everybody right now is going
what is the deal with these H one B visas.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I have my own opinion on them.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I've had my own experience with having struggles getting workers,
and I just well, we'll get into all of it
and I'll tell you exactly how I feel. But I
decided I needed someone who was really smart on this
and really can talk about it. So we're bringing in
Sam Murjovski with us. He is a lawyer and radio
host out of Nevada, and he is going to dive
(00:38):
into this issue with us.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Sam, thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Well, Tudor, great to have, great to be here with you,
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Absolutely so.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
We are obviously watching people back and forth discuss this.
There were these tweets from I guess it was Vivak
Ramaswami who was tweeting out about bringing in outside workers.
A lot of people have historically felt like we needed
to get tech workers with H one B visas, and
now there's an argument that while we'd rather just use
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American workers. Why are we relying on this? So give me,
like your background on this whole situation.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Well, so you know, part of my personal story, my
parents came to this country immigrants from Europe. My mother
is a is a scientist, and she came in on
an H one B visa. So, I you know, my
part of my story I have to be transparent about
this is that you know, I'm here because of this program. Now,
that was back in nineteen seventy seven, and I would
(01:37):
I would go on to say my mom, you know,
contributed to science in a profound way.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I mean she.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Created a drug called proper fall, which is used in
every you know, general anesthesia basically across the country, across
the world. So you know, she's not a slouch, and
she's the kind of person that, of course we want
to attract to the country that are bringing you know,
technical skill, know how and expertise.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So I would argue that that was back at a
time when this was not abused. And I say that
because I think now it is abused in a way
where we have people coming over here, they are coming
over here getting our technology taking it back. There's just
a whole lot of mystery around whether or not we're
(02:20):
getting good people to come over here, whether or not
we're just taking a group from one country.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You know, there's a lot of abuse.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I would say with hm BB's is because any program
that starts out well, if it's not monitored, can be abused.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Well, that's that's one thousand percent correct. And what I'm
seeing when and I've spent a lot of time pouring
over the data. It's all publicly available, and it's fascinating,
I really get the impression that a lot of employers
out there just want to get people to work for less.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I mean, I mean, that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
If you look at prevailing wages in certain areas, you
know they're they're attracting you know, let's say, you know,
a data and analyst for you know, seventy five to
eighty thousand dollars a year when they know that they
would have to pay you know, a domestic you know,
an American whatever resident or a citizen you know, maybe
one twenty one thirty for the same job. And that's
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not what it's intended to do. That's to me, that's
that's an abuse of the system, and that you know,
the numbers bear it out too, just in the in
the in the sheer number and the growth, exponential boom
of applications by companies to bring these workers in. So
both on the you know, both on the on the
security side, you know, I would I'd be very suspicious
(03:33):
from countries that are hostile to us, for example, China
bringing in you know, bringing in skilled workers, because you know,
I mean, I I'll tell you I know this firsthand.
You know, the most innocuous people are all required to
report back to Beijing. They have handlers in the US.
It's something we I think as Americans can't even wrap
(03:54):
our minds around to realize just how much we are
being we are being violated on this.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So this is what we've been trying to explain to
people because certainly in Michigan, we've seen this factory that's
coming here, and initially this story was, well, we're going
to bring.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
This is how bizarre this was.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Initially the story was they were bringing this factory over.
It would be run by Chinese nationals with a few Americans,
and then the workers would actually live in the local
dorms and they would be Chinese nationals that they would
bring over as well. Well.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Once that actually went.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
National and people started to really hear, okay, this is
the news.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well we're not.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Actually the workers will be Michigan people. The workers will
be Americans. We'll have a few Chinese nationals. But again,
you have that to me is a very big problem
when you have people who are connected. I mean, there's
nobody that's buying a company that is a Chinese company
owner that is not connected to the CCP. They're all
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reporting back, they're all pledging their allegiance to g and
they're all given information back.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So that's an area where I think that we all
have to.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Be careful whether it is a corporation or whether it's
a corporation that is being built by the Chinese. But
we also do see that they are these corporations are
bringing people over to save money. They're making record profits
saving money. And let me go back to you talk
about this being a program that was helpful for your
(05:24):
mom in the seventies, but that was also a time
when it wasn't the natural progression to go from high
school straight to college, that every American wasn't necessarily getting
a degree.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Now it really is.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
A situation where most people are getting degrees, and most
people are getting degrees in tech or science or something
like that. There's plenty of Americans that are and I'm
not saying that it shouldn't exist. I'm just saying that
there's more opportunity to hire Americans that have those degrees,
and they are getting passed up because they can buy
someone else for a lot less money.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, right, and so there's there's there's three different things
that you went over there. They're all excellent points, sort
of working backwards, you know, the I am look at Apple, right,
Apple I think is one of the abusers of the program,
and they have the means. They're sitting on billions of
dollars in cash. They could afford to pay more for
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these STEM jobs. They could And what will happen is
and you're exactly right, I mean, can you imagine, I
mean if if these jobs did pay more. And I
know a lot of high you know, high intellect people,
high you know brain power people that I certainly grew
up with. How come more of them didn't go into STEM?
And the reason that they went into finance and they
(06:39):
went into law is because you know, there's more money there.
And so but what I mean Apple and Google and
Meta and all these companies are are hugely profitable companies.
Why are they not paying more? And the answer is
because they can get away with paying less. And that's
that's not okay. And to that and I think that
(07:01):
I think that the you know, I think that the
more you know, I don't I don't say natives, but
but that that part of the MAGA movement is has
a point. They have a valid point. Why are we
in these communities? So now, going kind of back to
what you were saying earlier about that factory that you
were describing, where they're going to just import workers and
become a Chinese colony on US soil. Yes, now here's
(07:24):
an What I would want to know is how many
people in that town are on welfare or on some
sort of public support who cannot get work, and we
are we would be importing foreign labor into that town
and at the same time subsidizing Americans sitting at home.
And to me, we can't be a competitive economy. I'm
talking about competitiveness, right, you see, but oh, we have
(07:45):
to be a competitive economy. We're going to keep pumping,
you know, cheap labor into the country. We're not going
to be competitive. How can we be competitive if we're
going to be literally subsidizing people sitting on their rump
is doing nothing. And at the same time, you know,
just just opening our doors to our frankly, to powers
that are hostile to us. And then finally you're you're
(08:06):
absolutely right. I'm not going to labor the point about,
you know, the spying in the espionage, but I you know,
I used to live in Irvine, California, and it's a
lot of Chinese people. They are very wealthy people who
own factories, and we had neighbors and I'll never forget,
you know. I was I was asking a group of
you know, Chinese neighbors that it will get together about
something that was going on in China, and nobody wanted
(08:27):
to say a thing. And about a year later, I
was with one of the families and uh, and the
guy goes, oh, I couldn't tell you this when we
were all there together, and I said, go on, I
knew where it was headed because I'm familiar with this,
and he goes, they're all, we all they all report
to their handlers, and they would I can't lose my factories.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
So I can't speak openly.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Wow, in the US.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
This is in the United States of America, in California,
in Irvine. I mean I experienced it firsthand. So you
are one thousand percent correct.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Well, I will you mentioned Apple, and I will just
say that I think there's a few issues there that
I really believe the Trump administration should look into. Because
you have iPhone City in China. iPhone City is essentially
slave labor. We should not be allowing an American corporation
to use slave labor. And then you have them bringing
(09:23):
people in and they're paying low wages here, and the
whole thing it reeks.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
It's it's actually very It makes me very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
And I admit, you get to a point where you're like, oh, well,
everybody has an Apple phone, everybody has an Apple Watch,
you know, but when you really look at the way
they treat people, it's concerning.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Well, it is, and you know, some of it is
you know, once removed via like companies like Fox con right,
But you're you're absolutely correct, and you know, and I
love it because at least, at least we conservatives are
are open and acknowledge this problem. And and you've got
the virtue signaling left that that talks about human trafficking
(10:04):
and slave labor and Liverpool wages and everything, and then
they perfectly are fine buying everything from China. So you know,
this is where I think Trump's tariffs are actually the
right weapon to use against this. And you'll hear a
lot of very smart people arguing against it, and I think,
I think, look, I mean this my phone I've got.
I'm looking at an iPhone right here, and and I
(10:25):
love my iPhone. I'm not you know, I'm not really,
But it's fourteen hundred and fifteen hundred bucks now for
an iPhone?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
And what did it cost to produce?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
And and where is that?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
And and is that right that American workers aren't producing this?
And and and who's to say that, you know, who's
to say that the that that we couldn't produce it
domestically somewhere in that general range of price? Uh and
and and still be able to produce a profit for Apple.
(10:55):
So it's just there isn't there is an ethical component
to this, and bringing manufacturing back to this country isn't
just something that's important for economy, it's important for a
national security.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Too, absolutely, because every iPhone that comes in from China.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I mean, give me a break.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
We're concerned about Huawei, We're concerned about any type of
tech that's coming in. Every single one of us is
holding carrying something with us everywhere we go that comes
in and could potentially have some tracking device from China,
and we know we're being tracked all the time. You know,
like the idea that we think that we're safe by
getting rid of one app, you're using a device that
(11:32):
came from there. And they control everything that is manufactured,
whether you are an American company or not. The Chinese
have total control. And that's why you see this push
for America first. But it's not just building it in America.
I mean, it would be one thing to be in
an allied country. It's a whole different situation to be
in an adversarial country. Like if you're building products with
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Speaker 2 (13:16):
I think there's.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Also some confusion from the average American as to what
that is, because I hear people say all the time,
how would our farms run. How would our factories run
if we weren't bringing these these people in to fill
these jobs. And I always say, no, no, no, no, no, no,
these are not the people that are filling those jobs,
because these are people that have to have a degree.
When we tried to get workers in because there's so
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few steel founderies left in the United States, there is.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Truly a lost skill. So my dad bought it.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
He worked with a factory actually most recently out of Indiana,
and he was trying to bring workers in from eastern
Europe because there was nobody that understood meant steel casting
manufacturing anymore. You wanted to bring in thirteen guys that
could teach our guys on the floor how to pour
and finish steal castings can't do it because it's maybe
(14:09):
it's a skill, but you don't need a degree for it,
so they don't fall into this category. So where Americans
oftentimes think you're bringing in all these workers and they're
filling the jobs that we can't get Americans to fill,
not true.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Well, yeah, there's by the way, there's like the twenty
plus different categories of different visa levels that are that
correspond to two different other different programs by which people
can be brought into the country, and and they are,
you know. But but so when we talk about the
H one B visa, I think people generally just call
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all of these visas one thing. You're absolutely right, the
H one B visas a skilled person with a college
degree or you know, a college degree of the university
training of some kind, and there's a minimum you know,
income level or a salary.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Excuse me.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
But what I think is, I come back to this.
It isn't so much about the skill and the reason
I know that meaning the way the program is being
used right in practice. The reason I keep coming back
to this is why are they all from India? Why
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are they not from Germany or from Sweden or from
you know, France, you know, the stem learning of Frankly,
I know, we're we're you know, America is woeful in this.
In our you know, kind of K through twelve university
is a little bit better, but K through twelve is abominable.
But in Europe it's it's it's it's better and English
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is better and a lot of things are better.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
But the reason that.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
We have so many people come from India is because
we can get them for less. It's it is all
about salary shopping. That's the infuriating part of it. So
it's to me, it's not I mean, it's I think
it's not a are racist thing to say, hey, wait
a minute, why are we taking so many people from India.
(16:06):
The real reason, in my view, is these companies recognize
that they're they're taking this. They've got some you know,
certainly there's a lot of people there who fit the
bill quote unquote, but they can pick them up for
just over that minimum threshold. They can get them for
sixty five seventy eighty thousand dollars and people in Western
Europe wouldn't take that job for under two hundred, you know,
(16:28):
one fifty. So that's it's just dollars and cents.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I mean, so what is the solution to that?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Because I can see how a businessman like a vivig
Ramaswami would go, well, this is a good deal because
your products are going to be lower if they come,
which it doesn't ever seem like that's the case. Somehow,
the CEO always has a private jet in a yacht.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
It's like these companies that bring these folks in, they're
paying them less.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That's not the American way.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
And it seems very strange to hear people promoting the
idea of bringing in someone in from another country and
paying them less. It seems it seems very wrong. It
seems very Unamerican to do that.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Well, I want to be very clear. I mean, I'm
a proud capitalist. Have I biggrudge no one their yacht
or their playing or their success, their big house. And
I hope, I hope billionaires stay billionaires. I want people
to get rich in this country. I really do. Now,
I also want us in order to live in the
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best country in the world, which we do, and to
keep it this way, we must build up our middle
class or upper middle class, and we have to for
the sake of the country, as we mentioned earlier, really
bring manufacturing back into the US. Now, I think where
I'm at philosophically on this is And if you followed,
(17:50):
it was right after Christmas, right, so I'm sort of
in my Christmas stupor, and I'm following this fight between
the Veke who I love, I love a Vic and
Elon Musk and other people chiming in, and you know,
and vi Vik's perspective was very different from some other
people that were fighting him and my I think where
that fight ended is exactly where I've been all along.
(18:12):
I think we absolutely should go around the world and
look to poach the top one percent. I believe in them.
I think it should be harder to take people from
China they would have I think people should be screened,
you know, by by the by the security services, by
you know, I see, yeah, I really think there has
to be some screenings.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
But there's something right because you have to apply for
the visa.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
It's not as though they can just hand them out.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I have no faith right now in our ontelligence communities whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I think that's all pro forma.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
And I also think that they're all in bed with China,
so I I, you know, I'm very skeptical of that
having any real meaning. But there really should be a
serious vetting of those people. But look, should we be
taking the top one percent, you know, zero point one
percent for Germany from from from Great Britain.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
I mean, the.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Country's going in the toilet right now? Absolutely, yes, yes, yes,
all day long. So the program should be far more
narrowly tailored and the minimum salary should go way up
that's the solution, because the sixty five K or I
think it's sixty five k is is nothing you're talking about.
(19:23):
So you're talking about college again because of the requirements
in there. You're talking about people with a specific skill,
college graduates, et cetera. And you're setting the minimum minimum
salary at sixty five I mean, of course it's going
to get abused.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Of course employers are going to bring you know, are
going to are going to use that to undercut our
own college graduates.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
So is that minimum is that salary set by that's
a visa? Like the visa the minimum salary to bring
someone in?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Is that what you're saying, Yeah, that's the min There's
there's a floor, right so you you know, I've seen
some people saying, well, look at this they're bringing in,
you bringing people for three five K year.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
You know, there's a minimum floor there.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
And one thing that is a little bit deceptive is
that's the salaries. The bonuses aren't listed, so the bonus
structure could be higher. But my point is, you know,
I know people in tech. You know people in tech,
you know what those jobs pay. You know, domestically those
are well paid. People rightly so, and so my sense
of it is is absolutely we're bringing people who are
(20:25):
delighted to come to the US and work for sixty
five k year and they live four or five of
them in a single apartment. And that's I don't think
that's right to anybody involved, right.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Because obviously, if you live here, you deserve to have
the same life as any other person who lives here.
I mean, really, you shouldn't say this person is used
to lower pay in their country. Well, you live in
this You have to live in this country to work
in this country.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, well and absolutely, and look again, the overarching kind
of perspective on this, the common sense conservative approaches. We
want companies to be successful, but every single country around
the world uses tariffs to protect their domestic industry. Why
(21:13):
are we the only idiots around? Like you go to
I don't know if you've ever been to South Korea.
You go to South Korea, a huge manufacturing country, and
you know, and then you know, you find out, oh,
somebody's you see one Mercedes and well, why, oh, well,
because it costs two hundred and fifty grand, Sam, you know,
that's why you can buy a Hyundai for you know,
whatever a Hundai cost. But if you want to buy
(21:34):
a Mercedes or gosh forbid, a Jeep or something from America, Germany, wherever.
I mean, it's it's one hundred percent, hundred and fifty
percent tariff and they're protecting their industry with it, and.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Oh my gosh, but you know it's it's not a
lie because you look at the countries that haven't. I mean,
look at Germany. They are shutting down Volksweigen factories because
the Chinese vehicles have come in and taken over, and
they didn't set that standard. They didn't protect their own
industry and their own own vehicles. So now they're losing
their own auto manufacturing facilities because they've had a foreign
(22:07):
country come in and take over their market share. And
that's what I think, you know, coming from Michigan, that's
been the fear from Michiganers this whole time, is like, well,
are we put the world on wheels? You know, we
make American cars if we don't have tariffs, and there
is the ability for if we.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Don't have somebody holding China at bay.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
They they do well with their vehicles, They make electric cars,
they know how to do it.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
They've been able to take over the market.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
They have the materials, that's that's their bread and butter.
You know, we don't want them coming in and taking
over our gas powered vehicle lines and obsoleting what we do.
That's very dangerous and that's why we have to have
somebody that's going to protect that in Washington, right.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Well, and two things on that right and again, you
know as far as the EV market, you know, it
never works when the government tells companies what is guess
who decides what companies produce. We the consumers, we with
our wall as decide what it gets produced. So that's
one thing. The other part of that is, of course,
of course you know it's so it's crazy to me
(23:13):
because you know, you mentioned Folkswagen and and it's happening there.
You know in Michigan, you know, we are industries will
get gutted. There's always someone who will be able to
produce something for cheaper, who has a poorer population. And
the cautionary tale here is and I'm maybe a little
(23:36):
bit of a of a of a skeptic when it
comes to the left and when it comes to you know,
the politicians out there who are selling these selling our
countries out both the US, Germany, around the world the
West collectively doing this is I just think that they
want people to be poor. If everybody's out of work
and everybody's not If if people aren't gainfully employed, if
(23:58):
people aren't don't have the pro of bringing home a
good living to their family, they're broken. And if they're broken,
they vote Democrat, they vote socialists, they vote communists, and
they maintain empower the very people that created this problem.
So we have a once in a generation opportunity in
ten days, you know, when Trump comes into office to
fix this. I hope we do, because really the future
(24:21):
of our country depends on it.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. What's your take on what's happening
with our universities giving space to foreign students? And I
will tell you that we've had some parents. I've talked
to parents actually across the country. I have a daughter
(24:43):
that's a sophomore, So I'm at that age where people
everybody's starting to look at universities and talking to the
parents who just sent their kids, and it's been really
tough to get kids into our top twenty universities. They
just don't seem to be the spaces. I mean for
multiple reasons. But one is foreign students pay higher tuition
and they bring them in.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
So I have I have two competing interests in this
to disclose. One, I have a next year he'll be
a senior white male who will be looking for a
spot in the university somewhere in the US. So that's
going to be tricky. Number Two, I am on the
board of a university in Orangetowny, California, Chapman University, and
(25:28):
so you know, I have some insight into you know,
the benefits of of certainly on the financial side, and
also I would say some some cultural benefits of bringing
in you know, foreign students, the fore and students. The
reason that foreign students are popular on universities is.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
That they pay.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
They pay a lot. And one of the challenges it's
going to exist for universities is particularly if Trump and
you know, carry through with some of his threats slash
promises about reforming the Department of Education, reforming fast so
you know student aid, uh, you know, federal funding for
(26:06):
student loans, et cetera. You know, these universities are going
to have to fill budgetary holes. So this is going
to be a delicate dance. Well, I think I absolutely
believe again that if you are an American, if you're
a resident, you know, alien, if you are living in
the United States, your kids get should get priority, plain
(26:28):
and simple. The way I understand that we use it
a chapment and I'm not speaking from the schools to
just my observation is that is that we you know,
there's graduate positions and programs that are opened up to
foreign students and and and it never has impacted you know,
students that are are are domestic looking to be admitted
into the university.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Just never has.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
But I I hear the criticism, and I believe some
schools out there are doing this, and I think that
there's just going to be a lot of wake up
for universities in general. It's a whole other topic of
where this is going. And I would I would even
say this, you know, and again I say this was
you know, a kid who's kind of figuring out where
he wants to go to school is. I don't even
(27:08):
know what the draw of the top twenty schools are
anymore after they I have seen, you know what, I
have seen I I you know, I mean and by
the way I you know, with AI coming, you know, tutor,
this is a whole nother This I love. This is
one of my favorite topics. I know we're short on time,
but you know, I I look at you know what
AI is going to do to our kids right that
(27:29):
are in that in that you know, young adulthood or
soon to be in young adulthood. Everything is going to change.
So one of the things I've told my son, and
I'm saying this is a as a college graduate and
a graduate school graduate is hey, I mean going to
college just to go to college may not be the path.
I mean, if you learn how to, if you can
(27:49):
learn a trade and build a business around a trade,
you may be far more successful in life than some
people that are now deciding to go to college and
end up in a career that will be obsolete in
ten years.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
The funny thing is that may have always been the case,
and we just weren't paying attention to that.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Because when you.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Run for office, you talk to people all the time
that are supporters. So you either have the supporters on
the other side or.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Your own supporters.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
And as I went around Michigan, and obviously I know
that we are more of a manufacturing industrial state. But
the wealthiest people who were giving to the Republican cause,
many of them would tell me if I were to
start my business today, which was right out of high
school in my garage, the regulations have changed so much,
(28:37):
I couldn't do today what I did back then, and
I never went to college to do it.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, I mean, of course, I mean our governments just
incessantly in the way. And again I think it's part
of a broader scheme that the government has. Again, they
want to make it difficult to succeed. If you succeed,
you become independent. If you become independent, you don't need them.
And the Republican Party for me, has always been, you know,
(29:03):
the Party of independence for independent people who want to
succeed on their own and just want government to in
the worlds of words of Ron Ray and get the
hell out of the way. So, you know, so again
I agree one hundred percent, and I sense that there's
an opportunity for a great American revival starting with Michigan
(29:24):
and other states where manufacturing, once you know, reigns supreme.
I really hope over the next four years and the
next eight after that, hopefully with JD Vance that this
country really finds its footing again. And it has to
start with manufacturing, has to start with small business, has
to start with some common sense approach approaches to these
(29:46):
problems that we talked about.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
You know, I think so many people I'll just end
on this.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I think so many parents feel this pressure of my
kid has to go to a really good college, and
my kid has to have a great degree, and the
next step is absolutely going straight to college. And like
I said, the people that I met, that was not
their story, and their stories are so interesting. We had
a woman on here who talked about entrepreneurs. She'd interviewed
all these successful entrepreneurs and what their childhood was like.
(30:11):
And one of the folks, even that we work with
on a daily basis, his son didn't go to college.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
And he started working out in the racing.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Circuit and sort of looked at what was going on
and like, oh, these are the throwaway parts that we
need to buy all the time. Started reverse engineering some
of those parts and saying, man, I can bring them in.
I can do them at home on my three D printer.
And you know that kind of entrepreneurial spirit is what
built this country. I love that, and I'm like for
(30:42):
the parents, it's a little nerve wracking to be like,
oh gosh, do you not have that.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Piece of paper that you have to have to succeed?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
And yet they're like the book that this woman wrote
time and time again, it was parents saying as much
as I freaked out about it, I had to step
back and say, I have to trust him or her
to know what they love most and what will take
them in that next direction.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
So it's an interesting time.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I'm sure you're feeling the same thing with a child
that age, like what do I do?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
How do I guide them?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (31:14):
And they're scared, you know, and I remember, as do you, right,
you remember that time in your life where you didn't
know what would happen. But you know, we parents have
to have faith in them and they actually I think
our youth now are far more aware of what opportunities
there are than I think I was at there at
my son's age.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I always tell him, I don't know if I should
give you any advice. I'll let you know once I've
figured out what I'm going to do when I grow up.
I love it well, Sam, It's been wonderful having you.
Sam Murjowski, thank you so much for being on here.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Well, thank you, Thank you, Tutor. A pleasure and great
to meet you and be with you.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Thank you all for listening to us on the Tutor
Dixon Podcast. For this podcast and others, go to Tutor
dixonpodcast dot com subscribe right there, or the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts, and join
us next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Have a blessed day.
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