December 10, 2024 • 39 mins
Jared describes how difficult it was lying to Kristy over the weekend, in order to get to the bank on Monday to secure the donation money they received after the the fire. But Kristy has another surprise for Jared, she wants that money too. We talk to Jared’s attorney, Melissa, a self described “pit bull” who walks us through the precarious process of filing an emergency annulment and getting Kristy served, before she skips town.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Jared has much to do and little time to do it.
He intends to get the donation money back to anyone
who wants it.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
He intends to.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Get a lawyer to help him get out of his
marriage with Christy, all the while he believes Christy may
have his missing pistol.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
But then another twist enters the story.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Jared's mother in law, Sheila, wants to confront her daughter
to check if Christy indeed has a C section scar
or if it's all a lot. But Sheila wants a
psychologist present. Knowing her daughter's fractured state, Jared, kind hearted
to a fault, agrees.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
To meet a psychologist.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Long story short, We're in a car for it's a
couple hours. I'm sitting in a car with her. I'm like,
how did I get roped into this? Still, the whole story,
go through the whole nine yards, so every little detail,
because she's kind of doing what we're doing and going through, hey,
what happened here exactly? And I'm giving her the whole
entire kicking kaboodle.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
There the psychologist who was originally on board to help
confront and talk to Christy, who now knows Jared is
missing a firearm, who now knows the entire truth of
what Jared has endured at the hands of his wife,
gives Jared the following advice.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
She basically said, your wife's batshit crazy. You need to
run as fast as you fucking can and never look back.
Monday morning, go drain your bank accounts and go get
a lawyer. At the end of the day, the psychologist
was like, I'm not going down there. I'm going to
get my car and leave without even talking to she
to her husband.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
The psychologist decided, after talking to Jared, going with Sheila
to confront Christy was not going to be therapeutic. In fact,
it could have been flat out dangerous. But how did
she enter the picture in the first place.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Here's Jared, So Saturday night, I actually ended up going
back to the rental house. She's sitting on the couch
watching some movies. I'm only there maybe fifteen minutes. I
get to call from my father, Hey, come meet me
up the bar up the road, maybe two miles.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Jared's dad, David, didn't tell him.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Why he wanted to meet because he was afraid if
Jared had him on speakerphone that Christy would hear what
he was about to say, which was that Sheila had
told him that Christy had faked.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
A miscarriage in the past.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Meanwhile, David had no idea that Jared already knew there
were no children.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
From what I can tell, David really.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Just wanted Sheila to go down to the house and
check to see if Christy had had a C section.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
That's what he wanted Sheila to do.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
She had a sea section, she should be caught, she
should still be in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Sheila apparently wanted the psychologist to be with her when
she confronted Christy, and Sheila asked David if Jared would
be willing to meet with her first.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
My father actually called me and said, Hey, your wife's
mother and stepfather there with a psychologist. They're going to
go down and confront Christy about all the lies, check
for a CEA section, and long story short ends up,
this psychologist gets in my car and wants to talk
to me before she goes down and sees Christy. Yeah,
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and it was Hey, I'm sorry to hear what happened.
We just want to make sure she's okay. I'm like,
be careful going down there. At this point I actually
tell her, hey, I'm missing a firearm too, and through
this entire episode, I haven't told anyone. I'm it's in
the back of my mind. Hey, what happens if she
has that gun? She's already suicidal. I'm worried about it,
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and I'm like, don't go down there unless you feel safe.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I'm TRICIAA. Fodge.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'm a writer, director, actor, and federal criminal defense attorney.
I'm going to tell you a story that's all too
real about love, lies and the lens.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
People will go to for attention.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
It's a story that will leave you question everything you
thought you knew about truth, about reality, and about what
happens when the two collide in the most unimaginable way.
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the Unborn. The psychologist obviously didn't feel safe, and neither
(04:19):
did Jared. We tried to get an interview with this psychologist,
who was initially responsive, but went radio silent after several
attempts on our part to make a plan to meet.
Jared has now told someone all that he knew how
he was feeling, and although initially he went home to
the rental and spent fifteen minutes with Christy, he was
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now having second thoughts about staying the night with Christy.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
He made an excuse to go to his parents.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Saturday was the first time I didn't stay with her.
I ended up telling her I'm sorry. I was drinking
and fell asleep on the couch, which was flat out lot.
I was not drinking.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I didn't sleep, but it was now his turn out
of necessity to lie.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Of course, my mind's running a hundred mile an hour. Hey,
what's going to happen? How do I keep this up?
How can I keep these lies without her finding out?
I mean that's just the pressure was kind of on.
So Sunday is kind of when things start going south
with her.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
I know, baby, it's going to be hard, but we're
going to get through this.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
I find a therapist that specializes in infant loss. I
will be going.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
That's good, baby.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
Are you coming home to stay tonight?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I don't think I can tonight. I'm going to find
someone to talk to and get an appointment.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Okay, I hope you can sleep. I love you.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I love you too.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
I told them not to worry about staying. My brothers
should be here soon. Understand that you don't want to
be around me, right now or won't do anything stupid.
I just need time to cry and hurt, and I
can't let people here. Give Ada a hook for me,
good night.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Sunday ended up going helping my dad. We were cleaning
up the house, so I had to keep up. Hey,
I'm trying to get a house on here, still trying
to work toward that. Hey, here's what I'm doing. I'm
not gonna have my phone.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Jared's lies and his distance from Christy continues as he
plodded through the weekend. Monday couldn't come soon enough.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Jared, please answer my call. Please answer your phone. It's important.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
AD is chasing deer in the woods. Please answer, Jared.
She ran up over the hill and needs you to answer.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
But Jared's distance only raised her suspicions further.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Doesn't seem like you care. But we finally got her
after thirty minutes. Dropping hur at your parents, and then
I'm leaving. I have therapy and stuff later. I hope
you get whatever you need, because I'm highly upset now
and pissed off because I just had to chase her
and I thought I was going to lose her.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
I been worried about your ass for the last twelve hours.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
And at that point I stopped replying so often. I
did set my phone down every half hour so I
check it, say one word. Answers back like hey, I'm fine.
She's going on and on like hey, you need to
pay attention to me. I'm like, listen, I need my space.
Just like you have your way of coping.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
This is mine. I need a little bit of space.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
And she kind of understood it, but you could tell
there was like a something was nagging at her.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Jared has spent the bulk of two days away from
his wife. Her suspicions now an overdrive, and Monday has
finally come.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Monday, the wheels fall off the wagon.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I mean, it just goes completely haywire because I know
I have to make it to the lawyers. I have
to make it to the bank, and before she finds
out what's.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Going on, Jared, please think about it. We both lost
our kids, not just you.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I mean, it's like a whole new person was born
and she's losing her mind.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Here is where I find out.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
She's driving around looking for me, She's calling my brothers
and sisters. She shows up at my parents' shop. She's
threatening to pack up everything, that she owns at this
rental house. She's going to let my dog out, and
I didn't really know what was going to happen. I'm
getting phone calls out the wahoo. I can't even talk
to my lawyer on the phone by the time. It's
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just beep, beep, beep, And you can't hear a conversation
when you're getting a call like that.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
And it was insane, and it was about to get worse.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
We made several attempts to reach out to people in
Christie's camp. We wanted to see the story through the
lens of someone who knew Christy intimately.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Was everything Jared told us the truth? Were there things
he missed?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
No one from Christie's world was willing to talk to
us until we found Jenny, a hairstylist who at the
time was Christie's best friend.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
So Christie's ex fiancee would come in with his son,
and Christie would come in with them occasionally and get
their hair cut. And then one day she just appeared
and came in and got her hair colored and cut,
and she started crying and I asked her what was wrong,
and she said that they were no longer together. She
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said that they broke up and she was pregnant with
his child, and I was like, oh, okay, and then
I guess that's where our friendship began. There was a
time where she was having a miscarriage and I do
remember going to her apartment because we lived apartments away
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from each other, all of the same building type thing.
Very weird, I know. I remember going to her house
after she said that she was getting the DNC and
she I saw one. I did see one, but I
never she never showed me like any proof of ultrasounds
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or anything like that, just the one that she had
put on Facebook.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Christy had posted a sonogram photograph of the baby she
was expecting with her ex, but when Jenny went back
to look for it on Facebook, it was gone. Jenny
was very candid about her initial impressions of CHRISTI can.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I cuss, You can cuss.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
This bitch is crazy. There were sometimes where I was like,
what is happening? What is going on? Like it just
seemed like she was go, go go, go, go, go
go go go twenty four seven like twenty four seven.
It was good.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
But it wasn't just Christie's excessive energy that struck Jenny.
She was warned not to be friends with Christy.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
Yeah, there was. I obviously did my Facebook's talking before
I became friends, and there was people telling me don't
be friends with her, and I ignored it because she
didn't seem that way towards me.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Jenny and Christy had a fast friendship and Jenny genuinely
loved Christy as a friend, but that didn't stop the
warnings from coming in. People telling Jenny that Christy's crazy
and a liar, Like.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
She's crazy, like she lies, she lies about like the
like being pregnant, and I'm like there's no way, Like
I saw an ultrasound and I'm like, now I'm thinking
back when I asked to see that ultrasoung again, she
wouldn't show me.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
The person who was filling Jenny's head with reasons not
to be friends with Christy was Christie's ex fiance's brother's girlfriend,
that same ex fiance who was the reason that Christy
and Jenny met.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
The same ex fiance.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Christy said she was pregnant by when the two became friends.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
A girl that dated her ex fiancees brother, so she
knew the family pretty well and she was like no, like,
don't at first, I was thinking like, Okay, I'll see
how this could because she seemed nice, and I thought
other girl was just like not wanting me to be
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friends with her because she didn't want me to be
friends with her any and.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
That wasn't the case.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
She really was telling me the truth.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Everything Jenny tells me about how Christy and Jared met
and started hanging out didn't have any new revelations.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
It was everything we already knew.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
But then something interesting came up out of her retelling.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
COVID hit We're having a party and I was making drinks,
Christy was drinking and she started getting sick and she
was starting up all day, it seemed like, and close
to the end where was leaving and stuff. Me and
Jared's mom were sitting there saying like, oh, like, what's
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going on. Maybe she go to the hospital. And then
Christy comes out and Jared's mom says, maybe you're pregnant.
I was making the joke and I said, yeah, it
was twins, and I think that's where it started, if
I'm being honest, and she just went with it. The
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next morning, I get a phone call. Probably she always
called me so early in the morning, like seven o'clock
somewhere in there, and she called me and she said,
you're never gonna guess this, And I was like, what.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Christy was pregnant this time by Jared.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
Then it seemed like a couple of weeks went by
and she called me again real early in the morning
and she goes, I'm going to kill you. And I'm
like why, and she goes, because I found out what
I'm having. Like how many? I go, Are you having one?
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She goes, now, I'm having two. I said, you're joking.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
She said, She's gonna kill you as if you were
the Jinx.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
It was the Jinx for sure. Next thing that happened
they got engaged. Not only was I in the wedding,
she had asked me to be her maid of honor
and I said no because I don't like being in
the spot like like that, not.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Me at all.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
I don't even like wearing dresses. But I sucked it
up and I did it. It was beautiful. It was
a dream. It was a dream wedding. It was everything
anyone should have asked for. I know, Jared's mom and
family and friends worked so hard. I myself worked very
hard on helping and doing and preparing for that wedding.
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There were days where I would literally just go after
whatever I was doing.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Jenny doesn't like to be the center of attention. She
doesn't like a lot of pictures taken of her. She
doesn't post a lot to social media. Something she and
her former best friend did not have in common.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
Everything, and I mean everything was social media. Anything that
they did, anything that she was thinking share, she was
constantly sharing. She's constantly posting pictures anytime they'd go out,
or any family functioning, pitcher picture, anything about the babies picture.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Jared and Jenny aren't the only ones who thought Christie's
obsession with social media was excessive.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Gretchen did too, as.
Speaker 9 (15:43):
A like as a person, even like I know, parents,
if you have a kid that goes into the niku
and you don't take those pictures and posts them right away,
you want to make sure things, you know, said of
down go smoothly.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I see it all the time, and she was just
posting up.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Technically, Jared was posting the photo, but he was more
like the other parents.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Gretchen describes. His instinct was to not post the photos
of his newborn twins. He didn't want to.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
He initially said no, but Christy wanted those photos up
on social media, and she would not relent, regardless of
the fact that they weren't her babies and she had
no twins of her own.
Speaker 8 (16:24):
And I remember this one game night, she said, I
just got a text from my mom saying she's moving
tomorrow and she's not going to ever see our baby.
It was just odd timing, which I guess, you know,
sometimes families happen like that.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
But yeah, just rivery dramatic.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Christy didn't have a real relationship with her dad as
far as we were aware. We knew that he doesn't
live too far away, and that Jared's father, David, and
he were friends growing up, but he did not attend
Jared and Christie's wedding.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
I never asked about history of Christie like I never
asked about her father. I knew she'd have a relationship
with him. I never asked about him, and I never
asked why. I never asked about her mom. If she
were to tell me yes, that would have been fine,
but I'm not one to cry.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Henry, of course, had a strong opinion of Sheila, and
it wasn't a positive one.
Speaker 10 (17:23):
Like if, like if somebody said to their kids an asshole.
I always say, if you plant Corny, get court, So
the parent must be an assault.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Jenny also felt pretty strongly that Christie experienced trauma in
her childhood.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
That trauma helped shape the woman Christie became.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
We were driving the walmart to get supplised for the
rental house, and we were passing a hospital, but on
that where there's like a bunch of houses that you
can rent, and she goes that house was the house
that our mom pulled Christie by her hair and wouldn't
let her go to the hospital to tell her to
tell the hospital what was going on in her house.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
It was Christie's younger sister that was telling Jenny the
story as they drove past their old rent of house.
Speaker 7 (18:09):
I'm assuming because of mental abuse, physical abuse, all the above.
I think that was the little sister's way of telling
me that she wasn't up there like right because of
her past.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
The story is unsettling and sad. Christy was trying to
get help.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
And I think the closest thing that she could communicate
with was the hospital.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Whether she got the help she was seeking, we'll never know.
But this was not the only story of abuse and
trauma that we heard Christie experienced as a child. Henry
recounts an extremely disturbing story of something young Christie witnessed
at the hands of her mother, Sheila.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Her old man.
Speaker 10 (18:52):
They got back together and they tried to work things out,
and then she went fast shit crazy and run off
the reservation and shot and killed all the farmers, tried
to burn her house down. Oh yeah, she's certifiable. The
mother is like slaughtered them in front of the kids. Yeah,
it was pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Henry claims Sheila got into a fight with her partner,
was so enraged that she shot and killed her animals
in front of her children and then tried to set
their house on fire. Another coincidence or a family pattern.
Jenny also noticed an odd relationship between Christy and her mom, Sheila, specifically,
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when they went.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Wedding dress shopping together.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
It was Jenny Christie, her mom, and her grandmother that participated.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
I don't remember the exact conversation that I had with
Kirsty about her mother, but I knew her mom was
not the best mom. I think it was whenever we
want wedding dress shopping. That was the first time I
think I met her mom and it was a little off.
Everything was off that day. If I'm gonna be honest,
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I think the mom wanted it to be her way,
like everything you need to be about. Like the mom,
I feel like me and myself, I'm, I guess the
protective friend, so like I will voice my opinion if
I feel like it's needed.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Jenny's opinion was that Sheila was too focused on what
she would like to wear rather than what Christy would
feel good in that she was being insensitive about the
fact that Christy was a pregnant bride with a growing belly.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
And I did have a conversation with Christy and I
was like, you know, like this is your stuff. You like,
do what you want to do, wear what you want
to wear. You know, like you need to be comfortable
that day, because however far along she was, she could
have been bigger, you know. And I just want to
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her to feel comfortable with her. Grandma on her dad's
side was there, and she I feel like she felt
more comfortable with her there versus her mom being there.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
It's Monday morning and Jared has a lot to get done.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
So Monday morning rolls up seven point thirty in the morning.
I'm sitting at the parking lot waiting to go through
the drive through because during all this you couldn't go
into banks because of COVID, So I'm sitting in the
bank waiting for this bank to open up. Christy wasn't
awake yet, so I'm not getting these phone calls. At
this point, I had already went and called a lawyer,
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was waiting on a phone call back.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I would say he was sad.
Speaker 11 (21:39):
He was sad and disappointed and maybe a little embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
This is Jared's lawyer again.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Melissa, when she first met with Jared, she could not
believe what he was telling her.
Speaker 11 (21:52):
I would say, disbelief and sad. I had heard of
Phantom pregnant. Let's see, but I had seen the photos
and I was shocked.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Melissa actually knew Jared, though she had not seen him
in over a decade. Before Melissa decided to go to
law school, she worked at a preschool with Jared's mom,
a preschool that Jared himself attended, and even though she
liked Jared's mom very much, once she left to attend
law school, they did not stay in touch.
Speaker 11 (22:27):
And the fire that occurred with the home I'm not
friends with his family on Facebook because I hadn't seen
them in so long, but I saw the GoFundMe on
Facebook days before he came in. So when he came in,
I started putting at least the fire and him together,
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and I was like, that's a lot to handle. And
then my feeling was, I am going to do everything
I can to protect him, and I am going to
try to resolve this for him with the least amount
of paying postule that.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I can on the legal end.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
So I end up eight thirty rolls around on first
one in line and the problems begin. We get into
we have this new license as you got because my
old license burned up in the fire. Oh dar, So
the only picture they have on file is from when
I was sixteen years old. There was eight year difference there.
So they have to call my main bank. My main
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bank didn't note until nine o'clock, so I have to
sit there for a half hour.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Jared, please answer my call. Please answer your phone. It's important.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
So of course, now Christy's awake, I'm getting phone calls.
So it ends up. I'm like, hey, I want to
withdraw all my money. They're like, it's Monday morning. We
don't have enough money in the bank to give this
to you. It's my money. Why can't I get it?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Jared is set on a course of getting back the
money from the donations, but Christy has not been served,
and she's threatened to leave. Jared had never been involved
in a lawsuit, which is what an annulment is. Melissa
had to impress upon him that in order for service
of process to be effective, they need to serve her
in person, and neither one of them can do it.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
The time for ignoring Christy ends now.
Speaker 11 (24:19):
I told him I'm afraid she's going to run. We're
not going to get her shirt, and this is going
to take a long time, and I wanted this.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
To be done for him.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
They're like, hey, we can give you this much money,
but you'll have to go to another branch.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Ends up. I go to a second branch. Now they're
already open.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I get line phones blowing up still because she's getting
alerts that there's money coming out of these accounts.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I saw, are you draining the bank account? I don't
know what's going on, but you need to talk to me.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
My bank calls, but they're like, what are you doing?
I'm like, I'm draining my accounts.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
They're like, well why, I have no idea what's going on.
I'm a mess and you are too. I need you
to talk to me. It's fine if you don't care
about me, or want to be around me, or love me,
or can't even look at me. My paycheck goes into
our account, not much because maternityly, but it feels like
you have run away and led me with nothing.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
I'm warned about you. Please just answer me.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
They can get the sense of something's wrong because I
mean I go to my I walk in my bank
every Friday, so they know my name. It's a small town.
They're like, has your account been compromised. I say yes,
I think my account's been jeopardized. They're like, okay, go
to this bank next. They'll have as much money as
they can give you set aside, and then you come
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here and we should have the rest for you.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
But Jared wasn't the only one at the bank. Contrary
to what she.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Was saying in her text messages, Christy wasn't just sitting
at home getting alerts that Jared was taking money out
of their bank accounts, or driving to his parents' shop.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Looking for him. Christy was at the bank too.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
When that happened. She was at my apartment that morning,
and that morning we went to the bank and she
wanted to take all this money out from all the
donations and all that stuff, and come to find out
in the morning Jared already wants and left her with
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four thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I just need some time. I will meet you at
some point today.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
You took everything and I have no money. What are
your plans? Are we done? Are you leaving me with nothing?
Speaker 4 (26:36):
I will talk to you later. I just need to think.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Melissa prepared the paperwork for an emergency annulment based on fraud.
Annulments are rarely filed, and emergency annulments are even more rare.
That's because in an annulment, unlike a divorce, there are
very high standards to prove to the state that the
foundation of the marriage was so flawed that they don't
even have to acknowledge that it ever existed.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
So she goes, Okay, give me a couple of minutes
and now we'll call you back. So I'm driving around
ten minutes, go by, Hey, come up to my office.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
We need to go over to the courthouse.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I have these emergency annoynment papers drawn up for you. You
need to bring this much money in cash. We can't
do a check because they put a.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Hold on it.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
So I've run up there, me and her. We run
over to the courthouse, get these papers signed. Then I'm like, okay,
what do I do now? She goes we have to
get someone who can go and serve her. She says, hey,
I can't do it. You can't do it. Let me
call my daughter.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
In case you're wondering, Jared grew up with Melissa's daughter
as well.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Did you go to pre school with Harry?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
I didn't, Actually I think I probably did.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
It is at the rental house. I have her water
and the last food packet there was. I love you always.
I'm left and.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
I'm out of your left.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
So as we're driving, Christy's blowing up my phone and
still say hey, I'm done with you. I'm tired of
you not answering me. You won't tell me where you are.
I've been worried, sick, you're withdrawing money. What's going on?
The lawyer then tells me, hey, you need to answer
the phone. I don't know why I had sticky notes
in my car, but my lawyer's writing on sticky notes.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Jared was frantic and they needed to be covert. The
sticky notes were Melissa's way to guide Jared into getting
Christy to come meet.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
And of course I'm still trying to drive while I'm
having this conversation, and Christy can't know that someone else
is a car.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Please, Christy, I do want to meet.
Speaker 11 (28:47):
I knew how to get her there because if I
were a female reaching out to my spouse or significant
other and they had not been responding and I became suspicious,
I knew what would bring me to.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Come and meet them.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I knew what I would listen to.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
No, you've left me with nothing and scared me to
death today. I have no idea where you are or
what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
I'm just driving around, you know, That's what I do
to think.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
I don't know if you remember, but I can't drive.
I don't have a car, or house or any of
my stuff. You also drained over twenty thousand.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Christy has told Jared that she is packed ready to go,
and she is leaving as he sits in his truck
at the bank drive through, waiting for the last of
the donation money. Jared and Christy have a phone call
while Melissa continues to essentially help him woo a livid
Christy into meeting.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
This is all why I'm sitting in a drive through,
so that this bank is hearing my entire conversation. I
don't know what gossip was going on in that bank
lead us will say. I end up answering phone, telling
her all these things. Hey, I just needed some time.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I love you.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Let's meet at the parking ride. At this point, she
also has my dog. I mean, that's about the only
thing left that I have that's mine.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
It's it's my dog.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Christy told Jared she's going to let his dog aid
A loose the emotions.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
I'm furious. I'm afraid my dog's not going to be around.
Is she is she gonna shoot my dog because I
mean that that gun is still missing. She goes, okay,
i'll meet you. So we go to the parking ride.
I pull up right next to the car. I'm probably
four spaces away. I pull up, there's no cars in
between us. I get out. I'm walking toward the car.
Speaker 11 (30:39):
It was under it was under an overpass. It was
it very much could be a movie like setting.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
She opens the car door and up pulls my lawyer's daughter.
Christy goes, who's that? I go, I don't know. Why
don't you ask him? So the lawyer's daughter goes, hey,
are you Christy Akron? She goes, yeah, why you have
been served? I run the car. I never shut the car.
If I run to the car, shut the door and
drive off. I don't say a word. I'm headed straight
to the rental house to go check on my dog.
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Get the dog, and get out of there as fast
as I can, because to get in there it's only
one way. The end of the road is blocked off.
As I'm driving too, I call.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
My lawyer alert.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
She's like, hey, as soon as you do it block her.
These last three messages I get and then this is verbatim,
And this was two minutes after I served her. I'm
driving running paper. She knows that she has the annoyment papers.
The three texts I got are an unquote, are you serious?
Speaker 6 (31:40):
What did I do to you? I have no words
to say to you.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I really wanted to respond, but I knew better see
you later never And I and I have not spoken
a word to her since.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
As for Jared's beloved dog, Ada Dog.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Ends up being fine. I get her in a car
and I just drive. I don't know where I can go.
I don't know what Christy's going to do.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
And as far as that missing gun goes, Christy never
had it, Jared did.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I did end up finding the gun, so that was
that was huge. It was.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
It was a couple of weeks after and I'm cleaning
out my car. I reach under the seat and grab
trash out from under the air. I feel the gun.
I'm like, oh my goodness, all that worry for nothing,
and then I start retracing my steps. It just it
was always in the back of my mind, where's that gun?
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And I don't know if it was because she was
in this mental instability. She had that mental instability and
suicidal and I didn't know it was. It set in
my mind, and I just want to make sure everyone
else knew about it too, before they were put in danger.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
In the aftermath of Monday's events, Jared sat down to
write a letter.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
It was nearly three thousand words.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
In it, he pours his heart out, his way of
trying to make things right with the community to whom.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
It may concern.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I had Jared read me the entire letter.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Here he is reading some excerpts from the donations he
and Christie received after the fire.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
First, I'd like to thank everyone for the help, prayers,
and donations for my family and the fire on Sunday,
December sixth. I'm trying to contact everyone individually who donated
in a timely fashion to thank them and see if
they have questions.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
To the night of the berths, she told me.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
They couldn't find a heartbeat and she had to have
an emergency sea section and I wasn't allowed in. I
sat in the car waiting until I received a phone
call from her saying that both children were born and
both are healthy, and they had some fluid in their
lungs and they were on oxygen. I got all the dates,
waits for the Facebook.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Post to Christy's arrest At the hospital.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Two officers walked her out of the car and told
me that she was no longer allowed on property unless
she has an appointment.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And finally, the moment when he uncovered the truth.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
A doctor who calls me back and explains that Christy
was never pregnant.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
There is a.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Condition called a fantom pregnancy and a woman can trick
her body into looking and acting pregnant.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
He ended the letter with a heartfelt plea and apology
to all that were affected by the tragedy.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I want everyone to know that I am very sorry
and I had no idea about any of this. One day,
I was going to have a family. In the next
I have no family or home. I want to apologize
to all that have been hurt or fiel with trade,
but I want to set the record straight and at
least try to give some relief to the rumors and
that the children did not pass away. I would appreciate
it if you could please respect my family and my
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privacy at this time as we warn all of the
losses that we have incurred.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Sincerely, Jared Ackron.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
As much as Jared was bothered by Christie's obsession with
social media during their marriage, he saw it as a
useful tool in this moment.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
He would post this letter to Facebook.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
That may have been the hardest I've ever had to write,
and it was even harder to click that send button
to put that out there into the world for everyone
to see. And once I saw how many people actually
saw it and share it, it was even more than
the fire itself.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Really the post about that and it then knows and
all that it was.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I don't know what words can really describe how I feel,
other than that was the hardest thing I've done. I
wish i'd kind of know we were going to do that,
And I don't know if I would have said yes
to doing this, because that's how strongly it still hits me,
like I feel myself sinking into my chair and it's
a tough thing for me to sit here and still
talk to you.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Do you want to take a minute?
Speaker 4 (35:49):
I think we can.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Actually, I think I would okay with the donation money
safely now in Jared's possession. He wanted everyone who donated
to have an opportunity to get their donations back. Any
donations he was still receiving by check. He immediately mount back.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
So I guess jumping back into the donations and what
I decided to do there, I felt it was appropriate
and I want I I didn't want all this money
if it wasn't meant for me. So I started the
process of sending these checks that were still coming into
mail to my address and being dropped off to me.
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I decided that I'm going to send them back. I
just put a return posts on there, put a stamp on,
send them back to these people, and to my surprise,
it kind of left me flabbergacid. About a week and
a half later, I start getting the same donation sent
back to me.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Dear Jared, Dear Jared.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
But instead of being in Christy and I's name, it's
just written in my name, which and it was.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
People that were closer than to me. It was. It
was a weird thing.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Now, some people did keep their money, which by all
means that it's your money. I didn't expect it back
or anything like that. But it was very heartwarming and
it was a funky feeling.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
Dear Jared, you got your letter, thank you, but we
cannot accept our check back.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Keep your head up, dear Jared. I hope this helps
after all you've been through.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
And it wasn't just checks that Jared was getting. It
was people's thoughts and well wishes.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
And I think the other big thing was that I
actually put that letter. I printed it out and put
it in there with that check. The little notes I
got back, I still have them all. Honestly, they I
don't want to say I want to look at them
because I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
I'll react again, but something made me keep it.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
But something made me keep them in it. I don't
no one.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
And while Jared was starting to see a path forward,
he was still picking up the pieces of being lied
to for nine months and the question that kept rattling
around in my head.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Had Christie lied about anything else?
Speaker 3 (38:15):
I've really been waiting for you to ask these questions.
I mean, it's I could go on the rest of
the time we have here.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I don't even know where to start next time. On
the unborn.
Speaker 11 (38:27):
The money.
Speaker 10 (38:28):
I think she was trying to steal obaby and sell
it for the money.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
And I had said to her multiple times, you need
to stop that, like you need to block him, delete him,
do whatever, like just be done.
Speaker 11 (38:39):
Just think what she could have done if she was
left a.
Speaker 10 (38:41):
Good That car they bought was brand new and somehow
it has twenty some thousand miles on it and they've only
had it for four months.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
So how did that happen?
Speaker 7 (38:49):
It could be that it could be the money. It
could have been the faking everything. It could have been
because they faked it in the donations of the Fire
of the Babies. It could have been it could.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Have been all of that.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
It's just like a snowball effect that the lies that
continue to come out in I didn't see any of that.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
That's next time, The Unborn.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
The Unborn is a production of iHeart Podcasts, Audio Up
and JESU Press Productions, created by Trisila Fotch and Frank
Rodriguez mal produced by.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
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Speaker 1 (39:27):
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Edited by Gerard Bauer and Preston Dawson. Sound design and
mixing by Jeremiah Zimmerman.
Jared has much to do and little time to do it.
He intends to get the donation money back to anyone
who wants it.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
He intends to.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Get a lawyer to help him get out of his
marriage with Christy, all the while he believes Christy may
have his missing pistol.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
But then another twist enters the story.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Jared's mother in law, Sheila, wants to confront her daughter
to check if Christy indeed has a C section scar
or if it's all a lot. But Sheila wants a
psychologist present. Knowing her daughter's fractured state, Jared, kind hearted
to a fault, agrees.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
To meet a psychologist.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Long story short, We're in a car for it's a
couple hours. I'm sitting in a car with her. I'm like,
how did I get roped into this? Still, the whole story,
go through the whole nine yards, so every little detail,
because she's kind of doing what we're doing and going through, hey,
what happened here exactly? And I'm giving her the whole
entire kicking kaboodle.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
There the psychologist who was originally on board to help
confront and talk to Christy, who now knows Jared is
missing a firearm, who now knows the entire truth of
what Jared has endured at the hands of his wife,
gives Jared the following advice.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
She basically said, your wife's batshit crazy. You need to
run as fast as you fucking can and never look back.
Monday morning, go drain your bank accounts and go get
a lawyer. At the end of the day, the psychologist
was like, I'm not going down there. I'm going to
get my car and leave without even talking to she
to her husband.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
The psychologist decided, after talking to Jared, going with Sheila
to confront Christy was not going to be therapeutic. In fact,
it could have been flat out dangerous. But how did
she enter the picture in the first place.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Here's Jared, So Saturday night, I actually ended up going
back to the rental house. She's sitting on the couch
watching some movies. I'm only there maybe fifteen minutes. I
get to call from my father, Hey, come meet me
up the bar up the road, maybe two miles.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Jared's dad, David, didn't tell him.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Why he wanted to meet because he was afraid if
Jared had him on speakerphone that Christy would hear what
he was about to say, which was that Sheila had
told him that Christy had faked.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
A miscarriage in the past.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Meanwhile, David had no idea that Jared already knew there
were no children.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
From what I can tell, David really.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Just wanted Sheila to go down to the house and
check to see if Christy had had a C section.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
That's what he wanted Sheila to do.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
She had a sea section, she should be caught, she
should still be in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Sheila apparently wanted the psychologist to be with her when
she confronted Christy, and Sheila asked David if Jared would
be willing to meet with her first.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
My father actually called me and said, Hey, your wife's
mother and stepfather there with a psychologist. They're going to
go down and confront Christy about all the lies, check
for a CEA section, and long story short ends up,
this psychologist gets in my car and wants to talk
to me before she goes down and sees Christy. Yeah,
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and it was Hey, I'm sorry to hear what happened.
We just want to make sure she's okay. I'm like,
be careful going down there. At this point I actually
tell her, hey, I'm missing a firearm too, and through
this entire episode, I haven't told anyone. I'm it's in
the back of my mind. Hey, what happens if she
has that gun? She's already suicidal. I'm worried about it,
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and I'm like, don't go down there unless you feel safe.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
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Speaker 1 (03:46):
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I'm going to tell you a story that's all too
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Speaker 2 (03:56):
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Speaker 1 (03:58):
It's a story that will leave you question everything you
thought you knew about truth, about reality, and about what
happens when the two collide in the most unimaginable way.
From Audio up and just sweet Press productions, this is
the Unborn. The psychologist obviously didn't feel safe, and neither
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did Jared. We tried to get an interview with this psychologist,
who was initially responsive, but went radio silent after several
attempts on our part to make a plan to meet.
Jared has now told someone all that he knew how
he was feeling, and although initially he went home to
the rental and spent fifteen minutes with Christy, he was
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now having second thoughts about staying the night with Christy.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
He made an excuse to go to his parents.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Saturday was the first time I didn't stay with her.
I ended up telling her I'm sorry. I was drinking
and fell asleep on the couch, which was flat out lot.
I was not drinking.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I didn't sleep, but it was now his turn out
of necessity to lie.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Of course, my mind's running a hundred mile an hour. Hey,
what's going to happen? How do I keep this up?
How can I keep these lies without her finding out?
I mean that's just the pressure was kind of on.
So Sunday is kind of when things start going south
with her.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
I know, baby, it's going to be hard, but we're
going to get through this.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
I find a therapist that specializes in infant loss. I
will be going.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
That's good, baby.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
Are you coming home to stay tonight?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I don't think I can tonight. I'm going to find
someone to talk to and get an appointment.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Okay, I hope you can sleep. I love you.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I love you too.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
I told them not to worry about staying. My brothers
should be here soon. Understand that you don't want to
be around me, right now or won't do anything stupid.
I just need time to cry and hurt, and I
can't let people here. Give Ada a hook for me,
good night.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Sunday ended up going helping my dad. We were cleaning
up the house, so I had to keep up. Hey,
I'm trying to get a house on here, still trying
to work toward that. Hey, here's what I'm doing. I'm
not gonna have my phone.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Jared's lies and his distance from Christy continues as he
plodded through the weekend. Monday couldn't come soon enough.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Jared, please answer my call. Please answer your phone. It's important.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
AD is chasing deer in the woods. Please answer, Jared.
She ran up over the hill and needs you to answer.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
But Jared's distance only raised her suspicions further.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Doesn't seem like you care. But we finally got her
after thirty minutes. Dropping hur at your parents, and then
I'm leaving. I have therapy and stuff later. I hope
you get whatever you need, because I'm highly upset now
and pissed off because I just had to chase her
and I thought I was going to lose her.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
I been worried about your ass for the last twelve hours.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
And at that point I stopped replying so often. I
did set my phone down every half hour so I
check it, say one word. Answers back like hey, I'm fine.
She's going on and on like hey, you need to
pay attention to me. I'm like, listen, I need my space.
Just like you have your way of coping.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
This is mine. I need a little bit of space.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
And she kind of understood it, but you could tell
there was like a something was nagging at her.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Jared has spent the bulk of two days away from
his wife. Her suspicions now an overdrive, and Monday has
finally come.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Monday, the wheels fall off the wagon.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I mean, it just goes completely haywire because I know
I have to make it to the lawyers. I have
to make it to the bank, and before she finds
out what's.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Going on, Jared, please think about it. We both lost
our kids, not just you.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I mean, it's like a whole new person was born
and she's losing her mind.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Here is where I find out.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
She's driving around looking for me, She's calling my brothers
and sisters. She shows up at my parents' shop. She's
threatening to pack up everything, that she owns at this
rental house. She's going to let my dog out, and
I didn't really know what was going to happen. I'm
getting phone calls out the wahoo. I can't even talk
to my lawyer on the phone by the time. It's
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just beep, beep, beep, And you can't hear a conversation
when you're getting a call like that.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
And it was insane, and it was about to get worse.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
We made several attempts to reach out to people in
Christie's camp. We wanted to see the story through the
lens of someone who knew Christy intimately.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Was everything Jared told us the truth? Were there things
he missed?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
No one from Christie's world was willing to talk to
us until we found Jenny, a hairstylist who at the
time was Christie's best friend.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
So Christie's ex fiancee would come in with his son,
and Christie would come in with them occasionally and get
their hair cut. And then one day she just appeared
and came in and got her hair colored and cut,
and she started crying and I asked her what was wrong,
and she said that they were no longer together. She
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said that they broke up and she was pregnant with
his child, and I was like, oh, okay, and then
I guess that's where our friendship began. There was a
time where she was having a miscarriage and I do
remember going to her apartment because we lived apartments away
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from each other, all of the same building type thing.
Very weird, I know. I remember going to her house
after she said that she was getting the DNC and
she I saw one. I did see one, but I
never she never showed me like any proof of ultrasounds
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or anything like that, just the one that she had
put on Facebook.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Christy had posted a sonogram photograph of the baby she
was expecting with her ex, but when Jenny went back
to look for it on Facebook, it was gone. Jenny
was very candid about her initial impressions of CHRISTI can.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I cuss, You can cuss.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
This bitch is crazy. There were sometimes where I was like,
what is happening? What is going on? Like it just
seemed like she was go, go go, go, go, go
go go go twenty four seven like twenty four seven.
It was good.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
But it wasn't just Christie's excessive energy that struck Jenny.
She was warned not to be friends with Christy.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
Yeah, there was. I obviously did my Facebook's talking before
I became friends, and there was people telling me don't
be friends with her, and I ignored it because she
didn't seem that way towards me.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Jenny and Christy had a fast friendship and Jenny genuinely
loved Christy as a friend, but that didn't stop the
warnings from coming in. People telling Jenny that Christy's crazy
and a liar, Like.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
She's crazy, like she lies, she lies about like the
like being pregnant, and I'm like there's no way, Like
I saw an ultrasound and I'm like, now I'm thinking
back when I asked to see that ultrasoung again, she
wouldn't show me.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
The person who was filling Jenny's head with reasons not
to be friends with Christy was Christie's ex fiance's brother's girlfriend,
that same ex fiance who was the reason that Christy
and Jenny met.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
The same ex fiance.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Christy said she was pregnant by when the two became friends.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
A girl that dated her ex fiancees brother, so she
knew the family pretty well and she was like no, like,
don't at first, I was thinking like, Okay, I'll see
how this could because she seemed nice, and I thought
other girl was just like not wanting me to be
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friends with her because she didn't want me to be
friends with her any and.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
That wasn't the case.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
She really was telling me the truth.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Everything Jenny tells me about how Christy and Jared met
and started hanging out didn't have any new revelations.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
It was everything we already knew.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
But then something interesting came up out of her retelling.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
COVID hit We're having a party and I was making drinks,
Christy was drinking and she started getting sick and she
was starting up all day, it seemed like, and close
to the end where was leaving and stuff. Me and
Jared's mom were sitting there saying like, oh, like, what's
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going on. Maybe she go to the hospital. And then
Christy comes out and Jared's mom says, maybe you're pregnant.
I was making the joke and I said, yeah, it
was twins, and I think that's where it started, if
I'm being honest, and she just went with it. The
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next morning, I get a phone call. Probably she always
called me so early in the morning, like seven o'clock
somewhere in there, and she called me and she said,
you're never gonna guess this, And I was like, what.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Christy was pregnant this time by Jared.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
Then it seemed like a couple of weeks went by
and she called me again real early in the morning
and she goes, I'm going to kill you. And I'm
like why, and she goes, because I found out what
I'm having. Like how many? I go, Are you having one?
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She goes, now, I'm having two. I said, you're joking.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
She said, She's gonna kill you as if you were
the Jinx.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
It was the Jinx for sure. Next thing that happened
they got engaged. Not only was I in the wedding,
she had asked me to be her maid of honor
and I said no because I don't like being in
the spot like like that, not.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Me at all.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
I don't even like wearing dresses. But I sucked it
up and I did it. It was beautiful. It was
a dream. It was a dream wedding. It was everything
anyone should have asked for. I know, Jared's mom and
family and friends worked so hard. I myself worked very
hard on helping and doing and preparing for that wedding.
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There were days where I would literally just go after
whatever I was doing.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Jenny doesn't like to be the center of attention. She
doesn't like a lot of pictures taken of her. She
doesn't post a lot to social media. Something she and
her former best friend did not have in common.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
Everything, and I mean everything was social media. Anything that
they did, anything that she was thinking share, she was
constantly sharing. She's constantly posting pictures anytime they'd go out,
or any family functioning, pitcher picture, anything about the babies picture.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Jared and Jenny aren't the only ones who thought Christie's
obsession with social media was excessive.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Gretchen did too, as.
Speaker 9 (15:43):
A like as a person, even like I know, parents,
if you have a kid that goes into the niku
and you don't take those pictures and posts them right away,
you want to make sure things, you know, said of
down go smoothly.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I see it all the time, and she was just
posting up.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Technically, Jared was posting the photo, but he was more
like the other parents.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Gretchen describes. His instinct was to not post the photos
of his newborn twins. He didn't want to.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
He initially said no, but Christy wanted those photos up
on social media, and she would not relent, regardless of
the fact that they weren't her babies and she had
no twins of her own.
Speaker 8 (16:24):
And I remember this one game night, she said, I
just got a text from my mom saying she's moving
tomorrow and she's not going to ever see our baby.
It was just odd timing, which I guess, you know,
sometimes families happen like that.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
But yeah, just rivery dramatic.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Christy didn't have a real relationship with her dad as
far as we were aware. We knew that he doesn't
live too far away, and that Jared's father, David, and
he were friends growing up, but he did not attend
Jared and Christie's wedding.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
I never asked about history of Christie like I never
asked about her father. I knew she'd have a relationship
with him. I never asked about him, and I never
asked why. I never asked about her mom. If she
were to tell me yes, that would have been fine,
but I'm not one to cry.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Henry, of course, had a strong opinion of Sheila, and
it wasn't a positive one.
Speaker 10 (17:23):
Like if, like if somebody said to their kids an asshole.
I always say, if you plant Corny, get court, So
the parent must be an assault.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Jenny also felt pretty strongly that Christie experienced trauma in
her childhood.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
That trauma helped shape the woman Christie became.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
We were driving the walmart to get supplised for the
rental house, and we were passing a hospital, but on
that where there's like a bunch of houses that you
can rent, and she goes that house was the house
that our mom pulled Christie by her hair and wouldn't
let her go to the hospital to tell her to
tell the hospital what was going on in her house.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
It was Christie's younger sister that was telling Jenny the
story as they drove past their old rent of house.
Speaker 7 (18:09):
I'm assuming because of mental abuse, physical abuse, all the above.
I think that was the little sister's way of telling
me that she wasn't up there like right because of
her past.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
The story is unsettling and sad. Christy was trying to
get help.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
And I think the closest thing that she could communicate
with was the hospital.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Whether she got the help she was seeking, we'll never know.
But this was not the only story of abuse and
trauma that we heard Christie experienced as a child. Henry
recounts an extremely disturbing story of something young Christie witnessed
at the hands of her mother, Sheila.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Her old man.
Speaker 10 (18:52):
They got back together and they tried to work things out,
and then she went fast shit crazy and run off
the reservation and shot and killed all the farmers, tried
to burn her house down. Oh yeah, she's certifiable. The
mother is like slaughtered them in front of the kids. Yeah,
it was pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Henry claims Sheila got into a fight with her partner,
was so enraged that she shot and killed her animals
in front of her children and then tried to set
their house on fire. Another coincidence or a family pattern.
Jenny also noticed an odd relationship between Christy and her mom, Sheila, specifically,
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when they went.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Wedding dress shopping together.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
It was Jenny Christie, her mom, and her grandmother that participated.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
I don't remember the exact conversation that I had with
Kirsty about her mother, but I knew her mom was
not the best mom. I think it was whenever we
want wedding dress shopping. That was the first time I
think I met her mom and it was a little off.
Everything was off that day. If I'm gonna be honest,
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I think the mom wanted it to be her way,
like everything you need to be about. Like the mom,
I feel like me and myself, I'm, I guess the
protective friend, so like I will voice my opinion if
I feel like it's needed.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Jenny's opinion was that Sheila was too focused on what
she would like to wear rather than what Christy would
feel good in that she was being insensitive about the
fact that Christy was a pregnant bride with a growing belly.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
And I did have a conversation with Christy and I
was like, you know, like this is your stuff. You like,
do what you want to do, wear what you want
to wear. You know, like you need to be comfortable
that day, because however far along she was, she could
have been bigger, you know. And I just want to
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her to feel comfortable with her. Grandma on her dad's
side was there, and she I feel like she felt
more comfortable with her there versus her mom being there.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
It's Monday morning and Jared has a lot to get done.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
So Monday morning rolls up seven point thirty in the morning.
I'm sitting at the parking lot waiting to go through
the drive through because during all this you couldn't go
into banks because of COVID, So I'm sitting in the
bank waiting for this bank to open up. Christy wasn't
awake yet, so I'm not getting these phone calls. At
this point, I had already went and called a lawyer,
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was waiting on a phone call back.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I would say he was sad.
Speaker 11 (21:39):
He was sad and disappointed and maybe a little embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
This is Jared's lawyer again.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Melissa, when she first met with Jared, she could not
believe what he was telling her.
Speaker 11 (21:52):
I would say, disbelief and sad. I had heard of
Phantom pregnant. Let's see, but I had seen the photos
and I was shocked.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Melissa actually knew Jared, though she had not seen him
in over a decade. Before Melissa decided to go to
law school, she worked at a preschool with Jared's mom,
a preschool that Jared himself attended, and even though she
liked Jared's mom very much, once she left to attend
law school, they did not stay in touch.
Speaker 11 (22:27):
And the fire that occurred with the home I'm not
friends with his family on Facebook because I hadn't seen
them in so long, but I saw the GoFundMe on
Facebook days before he came in. So when he came in,
I started putting at least the fire and him together,
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and I was like, that's a lot to handle. And
then my feeling was, I am going to do everything
I can to protect him, and I am going to
try to resolve this for him with the least amount
of paying postule that.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I can on the legal end.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
So I end up eight thirty rolls around on first
one in line and the problems begin. We get into
we have this new license as you got because my
old license burned up in the fire. Oh dar, So
the only picture they have on file is from when
I was sixteen years old. There was eight year difference there.
So they have to call my main bank. My main
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bank didn't note until nine o'clock, so I have to
sit there for a half hour.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Jared, please answer my call. Please answer your phone. It's important.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
So of course, now Christy's awake, I'm getting phone calls.
So it ends up. I'm like, hey, I want to
withdraw all my money. They're like, it's Monday morning. We
don't have enough money in the bank to give this
to you. It's my money. Why can't I get it?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Jared is set on a course of getting back the
money from the donations, but Christy has not been served,
and she's threatened to leave. Jared had never been involved
in a lawsuit, which is what an annulment is. Melissa
had to impress upon him that in order for service
of process to be effective, they need to serve her
in person, and neither one of them can do it.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
The time for ignoring Christy ends now.
Speaker 11 (24:19):
I told him I'm afraid she's going to run. We're
not going to get her shirt, and this is going
to take a long time, and I wanted this.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
To be done for him.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
They're like, hey, we can give you this much money,
but you'll have to go to another branch.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Ends up. I go to a second branch. Now they're
already open.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I get line phones blowing up still because she's getting
alerts that there's money coming out of these accounts.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I saw, are you draining the bank account? I don't
know what's going on, but you need to talk to me.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
My bank calls, but they're like, what are you doing?
I'm like, I'm draining my accounts.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
They're like, well why, I have no idea what's going on.
I'm a mess and you are too. I need you
to talk to me. It's fine if you don't care
about me, or want to be around me, or love me,
or can't even look at me. My paycheck goes into
our account, not much because maternityly, but it feels like
you have run away and led me with nothing.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
I'm warned about you. Please just answer me.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
They can get the sense of something's wrong because I
mean I go to my I walk in my bank
every Friday, so they know my name. It's a small town.
They're like, has your account been compromised. I say yes,
I think my account's been jeopardized. They're like, okay, go
to this bank next. They'll have as much money as
they can give you set aside, and then you come
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here and we should have the rest for you.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
But Jared wasn't the only one at the bank. Contrary
to what she.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Was saying in her text messages, Christy wasn't just sitting
at home getting alerts that Jared was taking money out
of their bank accounts, or driving to his parents' shop.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Looking for him. Christy was at the bank too.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
When that happened. She was at my apartment that morning,
and that morning we went to the bank and she
wanted to take all this money out from all the
donations and all that stuff, and come to find out
in the morning Jared already wants and left her with
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four thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I just need some time. I will meet you at
some point today.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
You took everything and I have no money. What are
your plans? Are we done? Are you leaving me with nothing?
Speaker 4 (26:36):
I will talk to you later. I just need to think.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Melissa prepared the paperwork for an emergency annulment based on fraud.
Annulments are rarely filed, and emergency annulments are even more rare.
That's because in an annulment, unlike a divorce, there are
very high standards to prove to the state that the
foundation of the marriage was so flawed that they don't
even have to acknowledge that it ever existed.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
So she goes, Okay, give me a couple of minutes
and now we'll call you back. So I'm driving around
ten minutes, go by, Hey, come up to my office.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
We need to go over to the courthouse.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I have these emergency annoynment papers drawn up for you. You
need to bring this much money in cash. We can't
do a check because they put a.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Hold on it.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
So I've run up there, me and her. We run
over to the courthouse, get these papers signed. Then I'm like, okay,
what do I do now? She goes we have to
get someone who can go and serve her. She says, hey,
I can't do it. You can't do it. Let me
call my daughter.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
In case you're wondering, Jared grew up with Melissa's daughter
as well.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Did you go to pre school with Harry?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
I didn't, Actually I think I probably did.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
It is at the rental house. I have her water
and the last food packet there was. I love you always.
I'm left and.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
I'm out of your left.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
So as we're driving, Christy's blowing up my phone and
still say hey, I'm done with you. I'm tired of
you not answering me. You won't tell me where you are.
I've been worried, sick, you're withdrawing money. What's going on?
The lawyer then tells me, hey, you need to answer
the phone. I don't know why I had sticky notes
in my car, but my lawyer's writing on sticky notes.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Jared was frantic and they needed to be covert. The
sticky notes were Melissa's way to guide Jared into getting
Christy to come meet.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
And of course I'm still trying to drive while I'm
having this conversation, and Christy can't know that someone else
is a car.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Please, Christy, I do want to meet.
Speaker 11 (28:47):
I knew how to get her there because if I
were a female reaching out to my spouse or significant
other and they had not been responding and I became suspicious,
I knew what would bring me to.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Come and meet them.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I knew what I would listen to.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
No, you've left me with nothing and scared me to
death today. I have no idea where you are or
what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
I'm just driving around, you know, That's what I do
to think.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
I don't know if you remember, but I can't drive.
I don't have a car, or house or any of
my stuff. You also drained over twenty thousand.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Christy has told Jared that she is packed ready to go,
and she is leaving as he sits in his truck
at the bank drive through, waiting for the last of
the donation money. Jared and Christy have a phone call
while Melissa continues to essentially help him woo a livid
Christy into meeting.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
This is all why I'm sitting in a drive through,
so that this bank is hearing my entire conversation. I
don't know what gossip was going on in that bank
lead us will say. I end up answering phone, telling
her all these things. Hey, I just needed some time.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I love you.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Let's meet at the parking ride. At this point, she
also has my dog. I mean, that's about the only
thing left that I have that's mine.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
It's it's my dog.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Christy told Jared she's going to let his dog aid
A loose the emotions.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
I'm furious. I'm afraid my dog's not going to be around.
Is she is she gonna shoot my dog because I
mean that that gun is still missing. She goes, okay,
i'll meet you. So we go to the parking ride.
I pull up right next to the car. I'm probably
four spaces away. I pull up, there's no cars in
between us. I get out. I'm walking toward the car.
Speaker 11 (30:39):
It was under it was under an overpass. It was
it very much could be a movie like setting.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
She opens the car door and up pulls my lawyer's daughter.
Christy goes, who's that? I go, I don't know. Why
don't you ask him? So the lawyer's daughter goes, hey,
are you Christy Akron? She goes, yeah, why you have
been served? I run the car. I never shut the car.
If I run to the car, shut the door and
drive off. I don't say a word. I'm headed straight
to the rental house to go check on my dog.
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Get the dog, and get out of there as fast
as I can, because to get in there it's only
one way. The end of the road is blocked off.
As I'm driving too, I call.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
My lawyer alert.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
She's like, hey, as soon as you do it block her.
These last three messages I get and then this is verbatim,
And this was two minutes after I served her. I'm
driving running paper. She knows that she has the annoyment papers.
The three texts I got are an unquote, are you serious?
Speaker 6 (31:40):
What did I do to you? I have no words
to say to you.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I really wanted to respond, but I knew better see
you later never And I and I have not spoken
a word to her since.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
As for Jared's beloved dog, Ada Dog.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Ends up being fine. I get her in a car
and I just drive. I don't know where I can go.
I don't know what Christy's going to do.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
And as far as that missing gun goes, Christy never
had it, Jared did.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I did end up finding the gun, so that was
that was huge. It was.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
It was a couple of weeks after and I'm cleaning
out my car. I reach under the seat and grab
trash out from under the air. I feel the gun.
I'm like, oh my goodness, all that worry for nothing,
and then I start retracing my steps. It just it
was always in the back of my mind, where's that gun?
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And I don't know if it was because she was
in this mental instability. She had that mental instability and
suicidal and I didn't know it was. It set in
my mind, and I just want to make sure everyone
else knew about it too, before they were put in danger.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
In the aftermath of Monday's events, Jared sat down to
write a letter.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
It was nearly three thousand words.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
In it, he pours his heart out, his way of
trying to make things right with the community to whom.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
It may concern.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I had Jared read me the entire letter.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Here he is reading some excerpts from the donations he
and Christie received after the fire.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
First, I'd like to thank everyone for the help, prayers,
and donations for my family and the fire on Sunday,
December sixth. I'm trying to contact everyone individually who donated
in a timely fashion to thank them and see if
they have questions.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
To the night of the berths, she told me.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
They couldn't find a heartbeat and she had to have
an emergency sea section and I wasn't allowed in. I
sat in the car waiting until I received a phone
call from her saying that both children were born and
both are healthy, and they had some fluid in their
lungs and they were on oxygen. I got all the dates,
waits for the Facebook.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Post to Christy's arrest At the hospital.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Two officers walked her out of the car and told
me that she was no longer allowed on property unless
she has an appointment.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And finally, the moment when he uncovered the truth.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
A doctor who calls me back and explains that Christy
was never pregnant.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
There is a.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Condition called a fantom pregnancy and a woman can trick
her body into looking and acting pregnant.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
He ended the letter with a heartfelt plea and apology
to all that were affected by the tragedy.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I want everyone to know that I am very sorry
and I had no idea about any of this. One day,
I was going to have a family. In the next
I have no family or home. I want to apologize
to all that have been hurt or fiel with trade,
but I want to set the record straight and at
least try to give some relief to the rumors and
that the children did not pass away. I would appreciate
it if you could please respect my family and my
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privacy at this time as we warn all of the
losses that we have incurred.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Sincerely, Jared Ackron.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
As much as Jared was bothered by Christie's obsession with
social media during their marriage, he saw it as a
useful tool in this moment.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
He would post this letter to Facebook.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
That may have been the hardest I've ever had to write,
and it was even harder to click that send button
to put that out there into the world for everyone
to see. And once I saw how many people actually
saw it and share it, it was even more than
the fire itself.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Really the post about that and it then knows and
all that it was.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I don't know what words can really describe how I feel,
other than that was the hardest thing I've done. I
wish i'd kind of know we were going to do that,
And I don't know if I would have said yes
to doing this, because that's how strongly it still hits me,
like I feel myself sinking into my chair and it's
a tough thing for me to sit here and still
talk to you.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Do you want to take a minute?
Speaker 4 (35:49):
I think we can.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Actually, I think I would okay with the donation money
safely now in Jared's possession. He wanted everyone who donated
to have an opportunity to get their donations back. Any
donations he was still receiving by check. He immediately mount back.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
So I guess jumping back into the donations and what
I decided to do there, I felt it was appropriate
and I want I I didn't want all this money
if it wasn't meant for me. So I started the
process of sending these checks that were still coming into
mail to my address and being dropped off to me.
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I decided that I'm going to send them back. I
just put a return posts on there, put a stamp on,
send them back to these people, and to my surprise,
it kind of left me flabbergacid. About a week and
a half later, I start getting the same donation sent
back to me.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Dear Jared, Dear Jared.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
But instead of being in Christy and I's name, it's
just written in my name, which and it was.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
People that were closer than to me. It was. It
was a weird thing.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Now, some people did keep their money, which by all
means that it's your money. I didn't expect it back
or anything like that. But it was very heartwarming and
it was a funky feeling.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
Dear Jared, you got your letter, thank you, but we
cannot accept our check back.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Keep your head up, dear Jared. I hope this helps
after all you've been through.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
And it wasn't just checks that Jared was getting. It
was people's thoughts and well wishes.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
And I think the other big thing was that I
actually put that letter. I printed it out and put
it in there with that check. The little notes I
got back, I still have them all. Honestly, they I
don't want to say I want to look at them
because I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
I'll react again, but something made me keep it.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
But something made me keep them in it. I don't
no one.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
And while Jared was starting to see a path forward,
he was still picking up the pieces of being lied
to for nine months and the question that kept rattling
around in my head.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Had Christie lied about anything else?
Speaker 3 (38:15):
I've really been waiting for you to ask these questions.
I mean, it's I could go on the rest of
the time we have here.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I don't even know where to start next time. On
the unborn.
Speaker 11 (38:27):
The money.
Speaker 10 (38:28):
I think she was trying to steal obaby and sell
it for the money.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
And I had said to her multiple times, you need
to stop that, like you need to block him, delete him,
do whatever, like just be done.
Speaker 11 (38:39):
Just think what she could have done if she was
left a.
Speaker 10 (38:41):
Good That car they bought was brand new and somehow
it has twenty some thousand miles on it and they've only
had it for four months.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
So how did that happen?
Speaker 7 (38:49):
It could be that it could be the money. It
could have been the faking everything. It could have been
because they faked it in the donations of the Fire
of the Babies. It could have been it could.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Have been all of that.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
It's just like a snowball effect that the lies that
continue to come out in I didn't see any of that.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
That's next time, The Unborn.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
The Unborn is a production of iHeart Podcasts, Audio Up
and JESU Press Productions, created by Trisila Fotch and Frank
Rodriguez mal produced by.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Alvin Cohen and Rachel Foley.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Executive produced by Jimmy Jellinek, David Dwaites and Jared gustav
Edited by Gerard Bauer and Preston Dawson. Sound design and
mixing by Jeremiah Zimmerman.
Host
Trisha La Fache
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