October 11, 2023 • 53 mins
Who is God? Are there more than one? What is the source of truth?
These questions have haunted me most of my life. So when the opportunity presented itself to interview a messenger of Maitreya I was all about it.
Join me for an inquisitive conversation with Dick Larson - the chosen podcast messenger of Maitreya.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Who is God? And are there more than one? What
is the truth? These questions have haunted me my whole life,
and so when the opportunity presented itself to interview a
messenger of my Treya, I was all about it. Join
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me for an inquisitive conversation with Dick Larson, the chosen
podcast messenger of My Treya. I'm your host, Jimmy Brin.
You're listening to the Unimaginable.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
My name is Dick Larson, and I live in southern
California below Los Angeles, near the beach, and I love
it here. And I grew up in Minnesota, in a
little town in southwestern Minnesota, and it was kind of
a music man kind of town where they had concerts
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in the park once a week in the summer and
people hardly ever locked their doors. I mean, it was
just a remarkable place to grow up, very very safe,
and very kind. People were very kind in town, and
in a small town, you know most of the people
and they know you. So that's kind of how I
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grew up and went through high school, participated actively in
activities in high school, and then went to college. I
got a bachelor's degree in sociology and I wasn't sure
what I was going to do with that, but I
did get my degree and I graduated, and then you know,
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the Vietnam War was on, and so the draft was
all over the place, and I didn't want to stomp
around in a rice patty in Vietnam. So I enlisted
in the Air Force. And I was in the Air
Force for four years, and that stationed me out here
in southern California. I was stationed at a huge Air
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Force base in Riverside, California, east of Los Angeles, and
I was there for three and a half years. And
then when I got out, I interviewed with several corporations
for a job, and I ended up becoming a corporate
insurance broker for a very large worldwide company in Los Angeles.
And let's see, so I was the middleman between the
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client and the insurance companies, and I tried to get
the best deal for my clients. And I really liked it.
And in those days, it was a good time to
be an insurance broker because premiums were reasonable and insurance
companies wrote just about everything if you found the right company,
and it was a good I did that for about
twenty three years, and then the company that I was
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with I had changed companies. They ended up laying off
the ten percent of people who made the most money
and I was one of those. So I got laid
off and during the layoff, they gave me a nice
golden parachute where I got full pay for six months.
And so I decided what do I want to do next?
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Because I didn't want to do insurance anymore? And I
had always been curious about special education kids going through
the shopping mall with their teacher and so on, and
so I thought, well, maybe I'll maybe I'll do some
volunteer work with those kids, with those Down syndrome kids,
and so I did. I found a couple schools, and
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I volunteered part time at two different schools. One was
specialized in autism and one in down syndrome, and I
kind of fell in love with the autistic kids, and
I ended up taking the stat State Teachers tests and
passing it, becoming a licensed credential teacher on what they
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called an emergency credential because there was a shortage of
teachers in the Los Angeles school district. So I taught
autistic kids for about three years before that I did
substitute teaching for elementary kids, and then I got the
autism class and I did that for about three years,
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and I realized, you know, this is great, but this
isn't it. This is you know, I didn't light my fire.
So then I thought, well, now what do I want
to do. Well, I had become familiar with people that
were addicted, and I thought, you know, maybe I'll become
an addiction counselor. So I went back to school for
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two years and I got certified as a California State
certified addictions counselor, and I started working at a treatment
center in Pasadena. Then eventually I ended up running that
treatment center. And then a college, a small private college
started down here in Orange County below Los Angeles, and
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the gal who started the college asked me if I
wanted to be her first instructor to teach adults how
to be drug counselors. And I thought, oh, this is perfect.
So I did, and I taught for several years, many years,
and then the school got bought out by somebody else,
and it just wasn't the same. I didn't agree with
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everything they were doing, and so at that point my
wife had said, Dick, if you ever decided to retire,
just do it. You don't have to ask me, just
do it. I was sixty three years old at the time,
and so I finally said, you know, I'm just going
to retire. So I did. I retired, and I started
drawing Social Security and I became a volunteer. Earlier, I
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became a volunteer for an organization called Share Shai International.
Share International is a global organization of about five thousand
people who worked to get information out. And that's what
I'll be talking about tonight. What happened was before I retired,
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a friend of mine came up and said, there's a
man coming to a town named Benjamin Krem spelled crme.
He's from London. He's actually Scottish, but he's from London.
He's going to come to town. He comes here once
a year and gives a lecture and has a big
meditation group meditation, and then he goes up to San Francisco.
So I said, okay, I'll check him out. So I
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went to this lecture in Los Angeles, about two hundred
and fifty people there with Benjamin Krem, and about ninety
percent of it just went right over my head, and
about ten percent that I did wasn't able to kind
of wrap my brain around, really made sense to me. Now,
this was primarily a spiritual presentation, but it was also
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kind of a common sense presentation. And I grew up
Christian and my church was very important to me. I
was going to be a preacher early on, never did,
and so I was familiar with some spiritual concepts through
the Christian Church. Well, about ten percent of what he
said made sense to me, and some of it was
stuff I never heard in church that just made sense.
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So I thought, well, I got to find out more.
So they shared in a National Publishers a magazine ten
times a year, once a month. Two of the months
are double issues July August and December January. And I
got that and I really got interested in what it
had to say. So then I bought Benjamin Crumb's first book,
and that pretty much did it. I read things in
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there that I hadn't heard before, and that made sense.
And I knew they were looking for volunteers, so I
became a volunteer for shar International. Let me tell you
my life changed dramatically when that happened. I started to
get a new world view. I was pretty much a
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family guy, city guy, maybe a little state but not
much national or international view on the world. When I
listened to the news, I didn't pay much attention to
the world news. It was mostly California news and Los
Angeles news. And that changed and I started to look
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at people differently. When I walked down the sidewalk, I
started to see them as spiritual beings, which is kind
of weird, but I did. It was I wasn't so
much concerned with what they were wearing anymore or what
they looked like, but rather that they were a spiritual being,
you know, working on becoming as evolved as they could,
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you know, in that lifetime. Everything just changed and I
started to get in a preciation for the big picture
and the long term view of not only life, but
of life on the planet. The thing that Benjamin crem
taught was something called the Ageless Wisdom Teachings, and the
ageis Wisdom Teachings is an ancient, ancient philosophy, but it's
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a living philosophy. It's not dead with dust on it.
And the two most recent teachers of the ageis Wisdom
or Alice A. Bailey, who wrote about twenty books in
the nineteen thirties and forties, and Benjamin Cram who has
about seventeen books now. Benjamin crem passed away a few
years ago in his nineties, but his books are still available.
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So the Ageless Wisdom teachings had a great They resonated
with me very strongly as common sense and as new
information as well. And it's an ageius. Wisdom has been
revealed to humanity over the ages, mostly verbally, and then
up until the latest, you know, that's been in writing
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in these books. And there's an old saying, when the
student is ready, the teacher will appear. Well, two thousand
years ago we got a couple teachers. We got the
Buddha who taught the wisdom of God and Jesus who
taught the love of God. Well, it's been two thousand
years and humanity has grown up in the last two
thousand years. You know, man has come out of the herd.
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We stand as strong individuals now, and we saved the
world in World War One and World War Two. We
saved freedom for the world, and so things are quite
different now than they were then. And it's been two
thousand years, so it's time for the next teacher. We
are ready for the next teachings, is my understanding, and
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the next teachings will be God's will. What is God's
will and what is the purpose behind that will? So
we've got the wisdom of God, the love of God,
and now the will of God and nature is due
to come forward to humanity at any time. What Benjamin
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Krem said made a whole lot of sense to me.
And the fact that historically we've gotten great teachers about
every two thousand years, which means about every new age.
What is an age? An age has to do with astronomy,
not astrology. Our solar system and consequently, our planet doesn't
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sit still in the heavens. It moves in an elliptical orbit.
And as it does that, we're surrounded by twelve great constellations,
which we call the zodiac we are in alignment with.
We come into alignment one at a time with each
of these twelve constellations, and we're in alignment for about
two two hundred and fifty years. They're not spaced exactly evenly. Well.
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At the beginning of each age, receive a teacher for
that age. Two thousand years ago, Jesus came as the
teacher for the Age of Pisces. And you know, I
grew up at Christians. All the fish analogies and the
Christian Bible make you fishes of men. He fed the
crowd with fish, no accident. There's two symbols for Christianity,
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the Cross and the fish. And I would dare say
many Christians can't tell you why the fish. But Jesus knew,
because he knew he was the teacher who came to
inaugurate the Age of Pisces. When we're in alignment with
one of these constellations, we're bombarded with these tremendous energies
from this constellation and that energy, those energies help us evolve.
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Everything on the planet evolves, everything in the Solar system also.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
So what is it in those energies that actually has the.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Ability to help a human evolve?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, I'll tell you. The two primary energies, for example,
of Pisces are individuality and dedication to an ideal.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
So in the lasts, was the last age right?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (13:11):
So we're in the new yege is Aquarius?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Is that? Yes? It is?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yea, it's backwards from the way you see it in
the newspaper.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah, right, So Aquarius is the age that we're in
from a religious or you know standpoint really or or
if you're looking at it as you're looking at it
from an austronomical standpoint. Yes, let's cut to the edge
that we're in.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
So individuality man has come out of the herd in
the last two thousand years. Dedication to an ideal of
freedom is what saved the world of World War two.
Pisces has done its job. Now in sixteen twenty five,
you talked to an astronomer. They call it the precession
of the equinox. They don't call it the ages. They
call it the precession of the equinox. The astronomer would
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say that in sixteen twenty five we started moving out
of the influence of Pisces, and in sixteen seventy five
we started moving into alignment with the next constellation, Aquarius. Well,
the two primary energies of Aquarius are cooperation and synthesis.
So what's going to happen now evolutionary wise, is those
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strong individuals that were built under Pisces are now going
to learn to work together cooperatively in groups.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
And how does that work for Like with every era
or age, being, you know, two thousand years or whatever
it may be. How does that translate, you know, with
the knowledge and the wisdom that was gained during the
Pisces era. Now we're in the Aquarius area. But there
is a you know, you're saying, there's a hybrid or
a mixer, an understanding that's been transferred to wisdom that's
been transferred that is making this new age stronger, you know,
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and like, what how does that work? Because there's two
thousand years there is that all just teachings like with
the Bible or with proverbs or or what's your take
on that.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, it's not about the Bible or any religion in particular.
This is not a religious event. It's religions were built
to help people step up the first few runs of
the spiritual ladder, to realize that maybe they're a living soul.
You know. That's and religions are serving the purpose. The
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primary purpose of religion is to teach and to heal.
They've done almost no healing at all, and a terrible
job of teaching. So the religions need to be fixed,
all of them, Buddhism, Christianity, all of them need to
be fixed. We're halfway into Aquarius and halfway out of Pisces.
So that means these energies are crisscrossing right now, and
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whenever that happens, transitioning to a new age, there's chaos
on the planet. Why is there chaos Because every institution
that we have, education, health care, science, politics, government has
all been built with pisty and energy. Pisty and it's
served humanity for a long time. Pisty and energy is
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being withdrawn.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Does it take a second for the energy to basically
move on? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Because there's no clear cut you know, there's not like
Pisces over in number in aquariusmers are not. It's like
there's a tippering off and the energies are transferring, and
that causes.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Chaos absolutely, because they're being withdrawn. All these institutions don't
work anymore. They quit working. They're collapsing. They can't do
anything but collapse until we rebuild them with the energies
of cooperation.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Is not part of the universal plan of things. Of course,
as you would see things.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
In general like or as you would like to see things,
or as people talk about things in terms of the universe,
It's like it's it's usually there to serve you. It's
usually there to there's always a reason for it. So
if we're talking about these eras being kind of predetermined,
because they do come into orders, so like each one
of the those has its own characteristics and those can
obviously transfer over and the energy of doctor johnswer over
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in ten years. That makes sense. But why is there
a conflict then in terms of the pattern or the order.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, there's a conflict right now because a lot of
people on the planet are still back with the way
it used to be, and the new people, the younger
people on the planet can't wait for change. They see
the need for change. They need that. We need to
change these institutions. Education isn't working, healthcare isn't working. We
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need to change these so that they will serve humanity again.
So what we have now is more separation than we've
ever had between let's just say the Republicans and the
Democrats in the US, They've never been farther apart. There's
this tremendous separation. Every religion says they know the way,
you know, there's all this separation, and that's what happens
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in this transition time. This too will pass.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Is what you're talking about?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Global? You know, is it just really like our governments
across the world, you know, kind of having a similar
trait that the you know, the United States has seen
at the moment.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yes, that is it worldwide?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Oh totally, it's absolutely worldwide. Yeah, We've never had so
much difference of opinion, and huge differences of opinion and
and angry differences of opinion in a long time. I mean,
this is this is really coming to a head now,
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and I'll tell you why. It's part of the plan.
Doesn't seem to make any sense, but it does. It's
part of the plan because it's forcing us to make
a choice. Do we want to go this way or
do we want to go this way? Do we want
to work with these people or do we want to
work with these people?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
But like, surely I'm actually just playing Devil's advocate here
because I'm kind of interested in getting to.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
The bottom of it.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But surely there's always been a choice to go one
way or the other. Like as in in my mind,
it's like, well, there's the way of truth, and in
your gut you feel it's your instinct. It's like it's
just the way that you know you should go and
then there's the other way, right, yes, And so I
think that on a core level, that's kind of what
it boils down too. And you know, there when you
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go the other way, it's usually because of fear or
you know, some issues that you have, or safety or
survival or all of those things. But then on the
other side of things, it's like, if you can really
become that spiritual being, like what you talked about earlier
on how you're starting to see people like that and
how they could evolve. I think there's something really cool
about that, because you know, we are all spiritual beings, right,
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and we are little specs on this planet, and there
is a universe out there, and there are potentially other
life forms out there. But we have the ability to feel,
we have the ability to communicate, to pass on information
and also to like, you know, it makes us, in
the grand scheme of things, you feel quite unimportant. But
whenever you really live in this world and in your
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own skin, you realize that actually what you have is
very important because it has the ability to affect somebody
else's life. And you know, obviously if you scial that
up like that comes back to the political stuff that
you're talking about. Because if these energies have transformed and
there are the pissing kind of mentality, is that still
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set in stone and then the new generations coming in
and there's a divide obviously that happens there there. You
were drawn to this because there's a practical part of
it that you really you were drawn to. What what
were the like if you know, if you could summarize
I'm sure there's obviously it's very difficult summarize all those books.
But if there's like, you know a few things that
you took away from those books that are very practical
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that you would say are like kind of.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
You know the main things? What what what are those?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Well? One of the things that struck me that I
didn't get from my Christian church, for example, is that
the Ageless Wisdom says that the nature of the soul
is to serve. And so once we get in touch
with our soul through meditation or prayer or whatever any
spiritual practices we might have. Once we get in touch
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with our soul, we start looking for ways to help people.
And that can be anything. It can be financial donations,
it can be volunteer work, it can be starting nonprofits
that feed people, I mean anything, but we start looking
for ways to serve. So one of the problems that
we've built up is greed and competition and desire for power.
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Those three things, on an individual basis, demonstrate in almost
every aspect of life on this planet. And it's killing
life on this planet. It's killing relationships and so what
we need. We're moving from a time Jimmy of competition
to a time of cooperation. Huge, huge difference.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And like why is that? Like, can you prove that?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Sure, I can't prove it, but I can show you
how it works. Individuals are losing their power. Powerful individuals
around the world, in whatever field, are starting to become
less and less effective at helping people and at getting
things done.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Can you give an example, Well, sure.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
The president president of the United States, for example, one,
there's very little impact in the world anymore. And presidents
of other countries are having very little impact in the world.
It's it takes a long time for that to go away.
Dictators are starting to die out. There's fewer and fewer dictators.
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What's happening though, is groups. I'll give you an example.
In the United States, people might in the streets saved
our healthcare. Several years ago, big groups in every major
city in the United States, they were marching in the
streets saying, don't get rid of our health care. We
need our healthcare, don't mess with it. And so the
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government finally backed off and didn't mess with it.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
We talked about are you talking about medicaid healthcare or
is in like, what do you mean.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Medicaid medicare and just the general yes, healthcare that each
state provides. Obamacare is a great example that people wanted
to get rid of it, and people marching in the
streets said no, we need that, and it saved it.
People marching in the streets are marching all around the
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world now in the unions are marching way more than
they used to. See the thing about aquarian energy, it
supports groups, not individuals. So when people march in the streets,
they have this tremendous power they don't even know about
that's behind them, helping them accomplish things. The Benjamin Kram
and his See I didn't tell you about his master
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a second.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I want to hear I want to hear about it.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I'm really honestly super interested in the energies of these
different like aquarian energy and possi energy.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Who who decided? Like what energies those are?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Like how did somebody figure out this is a pissing energy?
Like how did somebody record that or talk about it? Was?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Like, you know what I mean? How was I in
from it? How did somebody come up with.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
The data to put that together and then for people
to be able to talk about it in a way
and say this is what this is.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
The Ageless Wisdom says that there's spiritual beings continue to
evolve as we humans. Once we become spirits, continue will
do involve in the spiritual world. So there's layers of
advanced spirituality, just like in a corporation, there's layers of management.
Earth has a God. That God is responsible for the
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plan of planet Earth.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
He's not God's call.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
He's called the logos of planet Earth. Soa Kamara have
you heard that name? Okay? So not Kamara? Is the
is the name of the god of this planet. Then
there's a god for every planet. Then the Solar system,
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there's a god for the Solar system. He's responsible for
the plan for the whole Solar system. Then there's a
God for the Milky Way galaxy.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Are these gods accessible in any way?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
The God for planet Earth is accessible through prayer and meditation.
But here's how it works. You don't actually contact God directly. God.
God has intermediaries that communicate on his or her its behalf.
The God has no sex, and those are the senior
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members of our spiritual kingdom. Jimmy. Well, as we go
through thousands of lifetimes, we finally learn all the lessons
Planet Earth has to teach us, and we don't need
to come and take a body anymore. Then we are
become a permanent spirit, a permanent consciousness. Those are called
Masters of the Wisdom, not because they're masters over us,
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but because they're masters over themselves. They're called many things,
the Lords of compassion. There are sixty three of these
great beings. Once you become a master, you can go
one of seven ways, seven paths. One of those paths
is the path of Earth Service. There are sixty three
of these great beings that have stuck around planet Earth.
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They're living in the mountain and desert regions of the
world where they don't have to deal with pollution. Some
are in bodies and some are not about their consciousness
and they have been the guide and the directors of
humanity behind the scenes, helping God administer God's plan on
the planet. So when we pray, the prayer is answered
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by one of the.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Masters, Doctor Benjamin.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yes, like, this is kind of like where you derived
there's information from. Where did he get it from?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
The perfect, perfect question and perfect timing. He was trained,
he wanted to be. He was never forced to do anything.
He said, would you be willing to go around and
tell the world that it's time for the next great teacher,
that people can have some hope despite how bad and
messed up things are, because a great teacher is coming,
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not to start a religion, not to wave a magic
wand and make everything okay.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
He said.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
If so, one of the masters wants to start communicating
with you telepathically, and he will train you how to
receive that communication. So Benjamin Cram was trained for over
a decade and how to receive telepathic communication from one
of the Masters of wisdom. And it's through that master
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that he gave out this information.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Who was a master?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
He wasn't able to reveal his name for several reasons.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
What isn't and then where master get his information from.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
From the logos of the planet.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I'm trying to go back to the genesis of the
foundation of like this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I'm fascinated because the parallels that you draw are they're
spot on, you know in terms of like where we're
out of the society. You know, I understand and feel
energies myself and I'm not. I'm very aware of that
good and they're real and so I yeah, like and
I I feel that stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Right, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
It's like I think, I think, you know, I think
a lot of people do. I'm like, but for me,
the biggest problem that I've had with with believing in
something like where I put my full self into it
because I used to be an evangelical Christian and I
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was on TV lead in worship and like in the
big church and all did the whole thing, and I
I got kind of sidetracked with it because I did,
you know, the way that they were using us to
get money and you know, and there was just that
there was a political thing too, and that's the religion
stuff that we're talking about before. But so I'm not
involved in that anymore, and I don't have that connection
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at all. But I but I still and that actually
helped me wake up a lot, to be honest, Yes,
so like, but what I'm what I'm really fascinated with
is is the truth?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Right?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
And so and so if somebody can't show me where
the source of truth is or even explain it. And
obviously we're talking about spiritual things, so I understand that
it may not be like a physical address, but you know,
but I want to get to the bottom of it,
you know, I want to know because if there's no
reason for this whole thing that we're doing here on
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this earth, then and it's very strange to me because
it would appear that with the level of intelligence that
we have on the spiritual capabilities that we have, our
ability to transcend and overcome crazy things that happen to
people and like you know, and just be so in
tune with kind of everything and and people know this
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stuff now this is like in our vernocular But where
does it all come from?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
What's the real truth?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
You know? What I mean? The truth has been released
to humanity when we're ready to learn it over the eons,
and that process continues. It comes from the logos to
the planet, to the masters of Wisdom who administer God's
will and the God's plan on the planet through humanity.
(31:03):
They don't do anything. They will never force us to
do anything. We have free will, Jimmy, and it's sacred.
What they do is they take the most advanced human
beings at the time who are more receptive to their
ideas and their energies, and they work through those people.
Whether it's in the arts or in government or in science,
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they work through those people, and the bulk of humanity
ends up ultimately learning from them and growing. Learn, and grow.
Is why we're on the planet. We are on the planet.
You asked this question, and I'll give you the ageless
Wisdom answer. We are on the planet to spiritualize matter.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
To spirit sized matter.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yes, okay, okay, I close the animals, dogs.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Cats, but no, we hang on a second.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Let's talk about what matter is, okay, because you know so, okay,
My understanding of matter is that it's measurable, right, yes,
because because if if it doesn't matter, you can't measure it, right,
you know, you know what I mean. So if something matters,
it's like well something, if something really matters, you feel that, right,
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If it doesn't matter that much, you're like, okay, whatever, right,
and but that but that's a very basic kind of
way of thinking about it. But I think it's kind
of if there's a there's a it's kind of profound
at the same time. So if so, and this comes
back to something I was thinking about earlier when you
were talking, Because if you're going to spiritualize matter, what
I was thinking about while you were speaking earlier was
that is there this paradigm where everything that happens physically
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is actually a representation of what's happening happening spiritually, you know,
And and that kind of like I'm drawing this kind of well,
I'm feeling some connection between what you're saying nay about
spiritualizing matter.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, there's an angel swisdom saying that goes as above
so below. Yeah, so you're absolutely right. We are a
reflection of what is going on at the higher level.
Now here's what I meant by matter. I meant solid
liquid and gash things that exist in solid liquid gas,
and that includes us. Now, humanity is made up of
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four aspects. Every major philosophy and religion agrees We're made
up of physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual matter. Physical emotional, mental, inspiritual. Now,
if you think about it, that's the order of evolution.
First we were animal man, then we got feelings, then
we started to be able to use our mind, and
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then we became aware that we're living souls. That's the
order of evolution, so we are. What's happened, though, is
the bulk of humanity, Jimmy is at the emotional level.
That's where they're focused, and that causes all these fights
and all these arguments and all this disagreement and all
this emotional chaos, and the advanced elements of humanity are
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starting to get in touch with their mind and their soul.
So you could say that the body and the physical
and emotional is our lower self, and our mind and
our spirit is our higher self.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Right, Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
That's where we're going. We're going to see we're not
going to run our lives based on our feelings anymore.
We're going to run our lives based on our thoughts
and our spiritual will. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Well, so okay, So who are you in all of this?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Just an ordinary person who was attracted to this information.
There are several volunteers that are members of Shared International
who are trying to carry on the task that Benjamin
Krem took upon himself all by himself. There were supposed
to be five people giving out this information. He the
other four said no, thank you. He was the only
one that volunteered to travel the world without pay, giving
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lectures and doing meditations to get out the information that
it is time for a great teacher whose personal name
is my Trea. It's Sanskrit and it means the happy one,
the one who brings joy, and that he is he
is here in a physical body.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Now, how is he happy?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, that's a good question. It's more than happy, it's joyful.
Happy is an emotion. Joy comes from the soul. Because
he knows he's omniscient, he knows where this is all headed.
He knows that it's all going to work out.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
So hey, he's happy because he has a fith a
belief in an understanding of what's going to happen, not
a belief knowledge knowledge. Okay, but okay, yeah, I would
get split hairs on the difference between those two things.
But the fact is is that he has something that
a lot of people don't have to make him understand
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that he can be joyful, right.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yes, he's a perfected human being who has the love
of God in.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
His heart and and so like.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
But but there is a fifth element to that, right
because like because because you have to know that he's
believing with knowledge that something is going to happen in
whatever way he knows whatever is being told to him.
But like, there is an element of faith and not
because it hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Here's the difference. If your mom says that ice cube
is cold and you believe her, that's faith. If you
touch that ice cube and experience it being cold, that
is knowledge.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Right But so but okay, so it is it that
the knowledge is timeless?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yes, he's timeless. Okay, He's had He's had hundreds of
thousands of lifetimes and become a perfected human being. He's
one of the most evolved of the Masters, or is he?
His His base was in the Himalayas. He made a
body himself, a physical body that he can't be killed
or destroyed. He can appear in thirty places at once.
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He made a physical body, and then he flew from
Pakistan to London when July nineteenth, nineteen seventy seven. Now,
if you think about the Masters, know all about numerology.
Seven is July seventy seven. Seven is a very spiritual number.
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Seven is according to the age's wisdom. Steven is, then
there are seven primary energies that make up everything on
the planet. And it's a combination of those seven energies
that make up everything. That's why there are seven wonders
of the world. That's why there are seven colors in
a rainbow. That's why there are seven notes on a
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musical scale. It's not an accident. There are seven primary energies.
That's one of the reasons seven is such a sacred number.
So he came on seven, seven, seven, and he came
on July nineteenth, the one and the nine, that the
beginning and the end of the decimal system, the alpha
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and the omega.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
That's that's not enough to sell me on believing everything.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
He said, Oh, I'm not trying to get you to
believe anything.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
No, I think that you are.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
I think you should be, and I want to you
know what I mean, because because like is it like listen,
like you have something that you're talking about you believe in,
and I'm trying to figure out if I should believe it.
You know, That's where I'm coming from because I, like
I said, like, I'm looking for the truth and and
I'm like, well, let's talk about it, because like, I
actually like what you're saying by I like the parallels
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where we are right now in society. That's a great
thing to be able to want to help other people.
And I think that whatever way things are communicated to
you in your belief and in this might necessarily not
be wrong at all, Like I say, it might be
absolutely the truth, but like you know, but essentially that
there's a lot of commonality with the way that I
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feel as a human in the way that you know,
I think a lot of other people do. And also
and the fact that you were saying about there's going
to be a lot of cooperation, you know, and that's
cool because it kind of transcends the religious boundaries that
may have been there in the past, and also transcends,
like you know, the different fiths and different gods, because
I think we're at a point in humanity where, you know,
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I think there's a lot of people that understand that
whether we call it God, or we call it Buddha,
or we call it Jesus or we call it Mary whatever, Like, yes,
we're really talking about the same thing, right, yes, And
so it's like I think people are starting to get
onto that vibe. And I'm with that because you know,
like what my own mother like, if she didn't have
her faith in Jesus Christ, I think that she would
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have a hard time in life. That has been a
backbone for her. And to take that backbone out of
somebody that's, you know, liter in life that's been through
a lot wouldn't be good, you know. And it's like,
but if for her to be able to kind of
like watch how her kids evolved and the way that
we talk, even in the way that I'm talking to you,
I think she kind of gets it. She's like, you know,
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you know, yes, this is this is my thing. But
I but you guys are like kind of doing the
same thing, but you're like just talking about it in
a different way.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
You know.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
And so I'm like, I so yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
By the way, I'm sorry for the tragedies in your life.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Thank you for saying that. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, I'm really really sorry. And and the Age's wisdom
says that we come into this lifetime we with the
help of one of the masters, we choose our parents,
we choose our family, we choose where we're going to
be born.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
I mean, there's no way it was my dad.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah you did, you did. I'll tell you, I'll tell
you why. To even the karma, for example.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
That's a lot. That's some people.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Some people are born to an abusive parent, parma.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
So that means so busy. What you're saying is that, I'm.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
That means that a previous life you did something to him.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
I mean that must have done.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
You were his mother, or his brother, or his sister,
or his parent, his father, and you did something nasty
to him, you abused him in some way or whatever.
And now coming back into this lifetime. See, when people
understand the law of cause and effect, which is just karma,
cause and effect. As you sow, social you reap. It's
not in every major religion and and in science. It's
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for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. When
people understand that.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
But I guess that's.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
A cheap way of his saying, like, if you do something,
something happens, the consequences doing right so as it does.
I don't like over spiritualizing concepts like that because it
takes away from the practical like a part of it,
which you you know, talked about. But the practical things
in life are the things that give people the ability
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to handle each day, you know. And so I think
when you overspiritualize that it's kind of like it.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Comes out I'm sorry, I think it's I think it's
very practical. It tells you that if you have an
abusive parent, they're just balancing the karma out from the
previous lifetime, whichever one where you abuse them, And so
you don't try to get revenge. That's why revenge doesn't work.
You just you just let it happen and move on,
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you know. And and so here for example, when I
see I'm driving in traffic and I see a car
that wants to get into the lane but there's too
much traffic, I always stop and I let that car in.
So when I'm in that light, when I'm trying to
get into traffic, guess what happens. Somebody always stops for me.
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That's trama.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
No, get that. Look, if you walk out of.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
The door in the morning's work and you're just grumpy
and you're pissed off, and you know like you're pretty
much going to come across some guy that said, like
some ship to you, and like and it's going to
be a bad day, right, you know, and so and
and that's a good example of how practical knowledge is,
you know, even though it's a very That's.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
What I was trying to say.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
It's very practiclogy though, really, because you know, it's just
like wow, like if you treat people well, you will
be treated well.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
You know anything.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
It's simple, but it's true.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, yeah, it works, Yeah, it works.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
There are great lords of Karma in the Spiritual Kingdom
and they're responsible for administering the law of karma on
planet Earth so that it always balances.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Out with what like.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
I'm just saying, like what where, like where are these like,
like how many of them are there?
Speaker 2 (43:49):
The lords of Karma. I think they're three.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
And there they do. They have angels.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
They're in the solar they're in the Solar system. Serious
Serious is our sister solar system. It's extremely advanced. We're
very fortunate to have Serious as our as our sister
solar system. And they administer the laws of karma and
make sure it's balanced. So for example, with your dad,
now it's probably the scales of karma are probably balanced
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and you will never have to have him in another
lifetime of yours ever, because the scales are balanced.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Thank God for that.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Now you're done with that, You're you're done with that problem.
I know.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
I mean that's you know, like sure, I mean, like
I'm a relief. It's it's not a relief.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
It's like it's like it's like the karma God's got
it wrong, you know, like like I don't think I
think they were like doing something that night.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
You know, they weren't paying attention.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
There are here so funny, but I get what you're saying, like,
and I like obviously, like.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
You know, yes, it's like I think that's very practical.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
I think it's obvious that no matter what happens, that
there's riple effects any any decision we make or the
action we take. And you know, even in your own mind,
whether it's you know, just how your day goes because
of your chain of thought, or whether it's something you
do or say or whatever. I love that practicality, I guess.
(45:15):
I guess so, like I think we're kind of on
the same page in a lot of ways in terms
of like, well, here's the actual makeup of of us
as humans, Like here, here's what works, here's what doesn't work,
and like, yes, there are some kind of ideas and
concepts that you're bringing up that I just wasn't aware
of before talking to you, and there and so that's yeah,
(45:37):
I'm happy. I'm excited actually to learn about it. But
what what I'm trying to work.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Out is are you are you the are.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
You like like an ordained messenger or like what's your role?
And is it like I know you work with share,
but like why why do you want to? Like is
it what's the agenda of getting the message out? Is
there no agenda? Is it just like literally, here's some
good information, or is there like a thing you know?
Speaker 2 (46:04):
There's two parts to my agenda. The first part is
to give people hope. As bad as it looks right now,
it's going to get better. This is almost the worst.
We might have a little bit more to go, but
see one of the great laws of one of God's
great laws is balance equilibrium, and that means that however
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bad it is, that's how good it's going to get
in the future. We have a lot to look forward to.
For example, the ending of starvation on the planet I'm
told that will happen within about three years of my
Trea coming forward openly to humanity, and I'll tell you
how he's going to do that, so that everybody will
know whether I'm full of beans or not. But before
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we get to that, the first part of my agenda
is that give people hope for the future. There's hope,
hang in there, hang in there.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
And why what is the hope you're giving them? I
understand that we're to begin with. It's we're talking about
the ages that we're living in, and so we're moving
through time, im through these ages. So there's maybe hope
coming because of this commonality and this cooperative kind of
nichure that's coming exactly energetically.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
All of these things.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Well, that in particular is conceptual, it's quite big, it's
very general. So how does that give somebody hope that
is starving?
Speaker 2 (47:25):
My Trayo said through Benjamin cram that, well, we already
know this. We have a fourteen percent per capita surplus
the food in the world. It's just not getting distributed.
So we've got plenty of food, but it's just not
getting distributed to the people that are starving. So plans
are being said that plans are being made behind the
scenes on how to distribute the food, and that once
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my traa comes forward and convinces us, see convinces the
wrong word, he's going to show us that our mind's eye,
we're going to see it happen, and he's going to
explain to us that we need to feed everybody. There's
no reason to have people starving and dying, mostly children
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on this planet every day in the thousands.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
That's not it's not that's like I mean, I think
we all know that if the world came together there
would be no star vasion.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Well, the world's going to come together. That's the hope
that That's what gives should should give people hope, is
that once he once he people agree with him, it'll
be within three years nobody will be serving on the planet,
nobody will be starving.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
He'll be the coddless for that to happy us.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Okay, yes he's going to And.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Is he going to appear physically or oh yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, he's in a physical body, So when's that going
to happen. That's the thing. Just like the Bible that
you learned, nobody knows the day or the hour I'm
telling you what. I'll tell you what I think. That's
nothing official.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Isn't that kind of a can.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Well it could be taken that way.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
Well, I mean, if I'm stated they are, I'm like,
I mean that pisses me off because like I'm like, yeah,
you know, it's like if if if I'm going to
poot my life and soul into into understanding and believing
in your teachings and who.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
You are and all of that, like like and and
you're that's a lot. That's a lot to ask somebody.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
You know. I don't want you you forget. I don't
want you to believe me. And my traa says, don't
believe me, just practice what I teach. Here's the deal.
But I'm saying, by twenty seven, if.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
You practice what he preaches, what he's preaching is authenticity, sincerity,
like serving God.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
You're you're spot on, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
But yeah, but like I know, but then he's not
doing that by not telling. He's like, he's like, but
I'm not going to tell you when I'm going to come.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Well, he's he's got to. People don't understand how great
these beings are and what they have to deal with
because there are dark forces in the world.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
So there because dark forces that they're real side of
we know about it.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
So he's got to he's got to equate all the
energy is pouring through our solar system and coming into
the planet Earth, and and the status of humanity and
our suffering and our hope for the future, and our
prayers that we need help. He's got to make all
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that happen so that when he comes forward, it's the
perfect time to come forward, to have the greatest possible
impact on the world. And so he can't even predict
what he's going to do. He doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
That's fine, I'm.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Saying it'll be within the next five years, probably the
next three years, when my Trea comes forward on radio
and television. Here's how people will know if it's him.
I'm going to give him three ways. Number One, they'll
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see his face on TV, but his lips won't move.
They will hear his words in their head in whatever
their native language is. It'll be telepathic communication, which is
how the spiritual universe talks to each other. They communicate telepathically,
So that's the one. It'll be a weird experience because
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you'll be hearing him but he won't be talking. The
second way, people will know what's talking.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
Some really great schizophrenic drugs off the back of that.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
The second way is that while he's speaking for thirty
minutes twenty five forty five, people will feel the love
of God in their heart like they've never felt it before.
He said. He said, it will be as if I
physically embrace you. That's how strong it will be. A
lot of people be crying. I'll probably be one of them.
The third way you'll know it's him is that when
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he's done talking, addressing the world, telling us who he is,
why he's here, giving us some ideas about how we
can change life on this planet so it gets better.
When he's done speaking, there will be press reports Jimmy
from around the world that while he was speaking, hundreds
of thousands of people were miraculously healed. And in these
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three ways, you'll know that this is the teacher, and
that you're responsibly very individual. Everybody will have to decide
for themselves whether they think he makes sense, whether they
think he's a good guy or a bad guy. Everybody
will decide. Benjamin Kram said that it appears about a
third of the people will say this sounds good, how
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can I help. About a third of the people will
say WHOA. I'm going to wait and see, and about
a third of the people will say look out, Antichrist,
bad guy, look out. But that third that will respond
initially is more than the critical mass needed to start
turning this planet around and creating a heaven.
Who is God? And are there more than one? What
is the truth? These questions have haunted me my whole life,
and so when the opportunity presented itself to interview a
messenger of my Treya, I was all about it. Join
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me for an inquisitive conversation with Dick Larson, the chosen
podcast messenger of My Treya. I'm your host, Jimmy Brin.
You're listening to the Unimaginable.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
My name is Dick Larson, and I live in southern
California below Los Angeles, near the beach, and I love
it here. And I grew up in Minnesota, in a
little town in southwestern Minnesota, and it was kind of
a music man kind of town where they had concerts
(01:04):
in the park once a week in the summer and
people hardly ever locked their doors. I mean, it was
just a remarkable place to grow up, very very safe,
and very kind. People were very kind in town, and
in a small town, you know most of the people
and they know you. So that's kind of how I
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grew up and went through high school, participated actively in
activities in high school, and then went to college. I
got a bachelor's degree in sociology and I wasn't sure
what I was going to do with that, but I
did get my degree and I graduated, and then you know,
(01:46):
the Vietnam War was on, and so the draft was
all over the place, and I didn't want to stomp
around in a rice patty in Vietnam. So I enlisted
in the Air Force. And I was in the Air
Force for four years, and that stationed me out here
in southern California. I was stationed at a huge Air
(02:08):
Force base in Riverside, California, east of Los Angeles, and
I was there for three and a half years. And
then when I got out, I interviewed with several corporations
for a job, and I ended up becoming a corporate
insurance broker for a very large worldwide company in Los Angeles.
And let's see, so I was the middleman between the
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client and the insurance companies, and I tried to get
the best deal for my clients. And I really liked it.
And in those days, it was a good time to
be an insurance broker because premiums were reasonable and insurance
companies wrote just about everything if you found the right company,
and it was a good I did that for about
twenty three years, and then the company that I was
(02:56):
with I had changed companies. They ended up laying off
the ten percent of people who made the most money
and I was one of those. So I got laid
off and during the layoff, they gave me a nice
golden parachute where I got full pay for six months.
And so I decided what do I want to do next?
(03:17):
Because I didn't want to do insurance anymore? And I
had always been curious about special education kids going through
the shopping mall with their teacher and so on, and
so I thought, well, maybe I'll maybe I'll do some
volunteer work with those kids, with those Down syndrome kids,
and so I did. I found a couple schools, and
(03:40):
I volunteered part time at two different schools. One was
specialized in autism and one in down syndrome, and I
kind of fell in love with the autistic kids, and
I ended up taking the stat State Teachers tests and
passing it, becoming a licensed credential teacher on what they
(04:04):
called an emergency credential because there was a shortage of
teachers in the Los Angeles school district. So I taught
autistic kids for about three years before that I did
substitute teaching for elementary kids, and then I got the
autism class and I did that for about three years,
(04:27):
and I realized, you know, this is great, but this
isn't it. This is you know, I didn't light my fire.
So then I thought, well, now what do I want
to do. Well, I had become familiar with people that
were addicted, and I thought, you know, maybe I'll become
an addiction counselor. So I went back to school for
(04:48):
two years and I got certified as a California State
certified addictions counselor, and I started working at a treatment
center in Pasadena. Then eventually I ended up running that
treatment center. And then a college, a small private college
started down here in Orange County below Los Angeles, and
(05:12):
the gal who started the college asked me if I
wanted to be her first instructor to teach adults how
to be drug counselors. And I thought, oh, this is perfect.
So I did, and I taught for several years, many years,
and then the school got bought out by somebody else,
and it just wasn't the same. I didn't agree with
(05:35):
everything they were doing, and so at that point my
wife had said, Dick, if you ever decided to retire,
just do it. You don't have to ask me, just
do it. I was sixty three years old at the time,
and so I finally said, you know, I'm just going
to retire. So I did. I retired, and I started
drawing Social Security and I became a volunteer. Earlier, I
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became a volunteer for an organization called Share Shai International.
Share International is a global organization of about five thousand
people who worked to get information out. And that's what
I'll be talking about tonight. What happened was before I retired,
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a friend of mine came up and said, there's a
man coming to a town named Benjamin Krem spelled crme.
He's from London. He's actually Scottish, but he's from London.
He's going to come to town. He comes here once
a year and gives a lecture and has a big
meditation group meditation, and then he goes up to San Francisco.
So I said, okay, I'll check him out. So I
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went to this lecture in Los Angeles, about two hundred
and fifty people there with Benjamin Krem, and about ninety
percent of it just went right over my head, and
about ten percent that I did wasn't able to kind
of wrap my brain around, really made sense to me. Now,
this was primarily a spiritual presentation, but it was also
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kind of a common sense presentation. And I grew up
Christian and my church was very important to me. I
was going to be a preacher early on, never did,
and so I was familiar with some spiritual concepts through
the Christian Church. Well, about ten percent of what he
said made sense to me, and some of it was
stuff I never heard in church that just made sense.
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So I thought, well, I got to find out more.
So they shared in a National Publishers a magazine ten
times a year, once a month. Two of the months
are double issues July August and December January. And I
got that and I really got interested in what it
had to say. So then I bought Benjamin Crumb's first book,
and that pretty much did it. I read things in
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there that I hadn't heard before, and that made sense.
And I knew they were looking for volunteers, so I
became a volunteer for shar International. Let me tell you
my life changed dramatically when that happened. I started to
get a new world view. I was pretty much a
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family guy, city guy, maybe a little state but not
much national or international view on the world. When I
listened to the news, I didn't pay much attention to
the world news. It was mostly California news and Los
Angeles news. And that changed and I started to look
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at people differently. When I walked down the sidewalk, I
started to see them as spiritual beings, which is kind
of weird, but I did. It was I wasn't so
much concerned with what they were wearing anymore or what
they looked like, but rather that they were a spiritual being,
you know, working on becoming as evolved as they could,
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you know, in that lifetime. Everything just changed and I
started to get in a preciation for the big picture
and the long term view of not only life, but
of life on the planet. The thing that Benjamin crem
taught was something called the Ageless Wisdom Teachings, and the
ageis Wisdom Teachings is an ancient, ancient philosophy, but it's
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a living philosophy. It's not dead with dust on it.
And the two most recent teachers of the ageis Wisdom
or Alice A. Bailey, who wrote about twenty books in
the nineteen thirties and forties, and Benjamin Cram who has
about seventeen books now. Benjamin crem passed away a few
years ago in his nineties, but his books are still available.
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So the Ageless Wisdom teachings had a great They resonated
with me very strongly as common sense and as new
information as well. And it's an ageius. Wisdom has been
revealed to humanity over the ages, mostly verbally, and then
up until the latest, you know, that's been in writing
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in these books. And there's an old saying, when the
student is ready, the teacher will appear. Well, two thousand
years ago we got a couple teachers. We got the
Buddha who taught the wisdom of God and Jesus who
taught the love of God. Well, it's been two thousand
years and humanity has grown up in the last two
thousand years. You know, man has come out of the herd.
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We stand as strong individuals now, and we saved the
world in World War One and World War Two. We
saved freedom for the world, and so things are quite
different now than they were then. And it's been two
thousand years, so it's time for the next teacher. We
are ready for the next teachings, is my understanding, and
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the next teachings will be God's will. What is God's
will and what is the purpose behind that will? So
we've got the wisdom of God, the love of God,
and now the will of God and nature is due
to come forward to humanity at any time. What Benjamin
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Krem said made a whole lot of sense to me.
And the fact that historically we've gotten great teachers about
every two thousand years, which means about every new age.
What is an age? An age has to do with astronomy,
not astrology. Our solar system and consequently, our planet doesn't
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sit still in the heavens. It moves in an elliptical orbit.
And as it does that, we're surrounded by twelve great constellations,
which we call the zodiac we are in alignment with.
We come into alignment one at a time with each
of these twelve constellations, and we're in alignment for about
two two hundred and fifty years. They're not spaced exactly evenly. Well.
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At the beginning of each age, receive a teacher for
that age. Two thousand years ago, Jesus came as the
teacher for the Age of Pisces. And you know, I
grew up at Christians. All the fish analogies and the
Christian Bible make you fishes of men. He fed the
crowd with fish, no accident. There's two symbols for Christianity,
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the Cross and the fish. And I would dare say
many Christians can't tell you why the fish. But Jesus knew,
because he knew he was the teacher who came to
inaugurate the Age of Pisces. When we're in alignment with
one of these constellations, we're bombarded with these tremendous energies
from this constellation and that energy, those energies help us evolve.
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Everything on the planet evolves, everything in the Solar system also.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
So what is it in those energies that actually has the.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Ability to help a human evolve?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, I'll tell you. The two primary energies, for example,
of Pisces are individuality and dedication to an ideal.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
So in the lasts, was the last age right?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (13:11):
So we're in the new yege is Aquarius?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Is that? Yes? It is?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yea, it's backwards from the way you see it in
the newspaper.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah, right, So Aquarius is the age that we're in
from a religious or you know standpoint really or or
if you're looking at it as you're looking at it
from an austronomical standpoint. Yes, let's cut to the edge
that we're in.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
So individuality man has come out of the herd in
the last two thousand years. Dedication to an ideal of
freedom is what saved the world of World War two.
Pisces has done its job. Now in sixteen twenty five,
you talked to an astronomer. They call it the precession
of the equinox. They don't call it the ages. They
call it the precession of the equinox. The astronomer would
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say that in sixteen twenty five we started moving out
of the influence of Pisces, and in sixteen seventy five
we started moving into alignment with the next constellation, Aquarius. Well,
the two primary energies of Aquarius are cooperation and synthesis.
So what's going to happen now evolutionary wise, is those
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strong individuals that were built under Pisces are now going
to learn to work together cooperatively in groups.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
And how does that work for Like with every era
or age, being, you know, two thousand years or whatever
it may be. How does that translate, you know, with
the knowledge and the wisdom that was gained during the
Pisces era. Now we're in the Aquarius area. But there
is a you know, you're saying, there's a hybrid or
a mixer, an understanding that's been transferred to wisdom that's
been transferred that is making this new age stronger, you know,
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and like, what how does that work? Because there's two
thousand years there is that all just teachings like with
the Bible or with proverbs or or what's your take
on that.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, it's not about the Bible or any religion in particular.
This is not a religious event. It's religions were built
to help people step up the first few runs of
the spiritual ladder, to realize that maybe they're a living soul.
You know. That's and religions are serving the purpose. The
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primary purpose of religion is to teach and to heal.
They've done almost no healing at all, and a terrible
job of teaching. So the religions need to be fixed,
all of them, Buddhism, Christianity, all of them need to
be fixed. We're halfway into Aquarius and halfway out of Pisces.
So that means these energies are crisscrossing right now, and
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whenever that happens, transitioning to a new age, there's chaos
on the planet. Why is there chaos Because every institution
that we have, education, health care, science, politics, government has
all been built with pisty and energy. Pisty and it's
served humanity for a long time. Pisty and energy is
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being withdrawn.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Does it take a second for the energy to basically
move on? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Because there's no clear cut you know, there's not like
Pisces over in number in aquariusmers are not. It's like
there's a tippering off and the energies are transferring, and
that causes.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Chaos absolutely, because they're being withdrawn. All these institutions don't
work anymore. They quit working. They're collapsing. They can't do
anything but collapse until we rebuild them with the energies
of cooperation.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Is not part of the universal plan of things. Of course,
as you would see things.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
In general like or as you would like to see things,
or as people talk about things in terms of the universe,
It's like it's it's usually there to serve you. It's
usually there to there's always a reason for it. So
if we're talking about these eras being kind of predetermined,
because they do come into orders, so like each one
of the those has its own characteristics and those can
obviously transfer over and the energy of doctor johnswer over
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in ten years. That makes sense. But why is there
a conflict then in terms of the pattern or the order.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, there's a conflict right now because a lot of
people on the planet are still back with the way
it used to be, and the new people, the younger
people on the planet can't wait for change. They see
the need for change. They need that. We need to
change these institutions. Education isn't working, healthcare isn't working. We
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need to change these so that they will serve humanity again.
So what we have now is more separation than we've
ever had between let's just say the Republicans and the
Democrats in the US, They've never been farther apart. There's
this tremendous separation. Every religion says they know the way,
you know, there's all this separation, and that's what happens
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in this transition time. This too will pass.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Is what you're talking about?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Global? You know, is it just really like our governments
across the world, you know, kind of having a similar
trait that the you know, the United States has seen
at the moment.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yes, that is it worldwide?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Oh totally, it's absolutely worldwide. Yeah, We've never had so
much difference of opinion, and huge differences of opinion and
and angry differences of opinion in a long time. I mean,
this is this is really coming to a head now,
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and I'll tell you why. It's part of the plan.
Doesn't seem to make any sense, but it does. It's
part of the plan because it's forcing us to make
a choice. Do we want to go this way or
do we want to go this way? Do we want
to work with these people or do we want to
work with these people?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
But like, surely I'm actually just playing Devil's advocate here
because I'm kind of interested in getting to.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
The bottom of it.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But surely there's always been a choice to go one
way or the other. Like as in in my mind,
it's like, well, there's the way of truth, and in
your gut you feel it's your instinct. It's like it's
just the way that you know you should go and
then there's the other way, right, yes, And so I
think that on a core level, that's kind of what
it boils down too. And you know, there when you
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go the other way, it's usually because of fear or
you know, some issues that you have, or safety or
survival or all of those things. But then on the
other side of things, it's like, if you can really
become that spiritual being, like what you talked about earlier
on how you're starting to see people like that and
how they could evolve. I think there's something really cool
about that, because you know, we are all spiritual beings, right,
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and we are little specs on this planet, and there
is a universe out there, and there are potentially other
life forms out there. But we have the ability to feel,
we have the ability to communicate, to pass on information
and also to like, you know, it makes us, in
the grand scheme of things, you feel quite unimportant. But
whenever you really live in this world and in your
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own skin, you realize that actually what you have is
very important because it has the ability to affect somebody
else's life. And you know, obviously if you scial that
up like that comes back to the political stuff that
you're talking about. Because if these energies have transformed and
there are the pissing kind of mentality, is that still
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set in stone and then the new generations coming in
and there's a divide obviously that happens there there. You
were drawn to this because there's a practical part of
it that you really you were drawn to. What what
were the like if you know, if you could summarize
I'm sure there's obviously it's very difficult summarize all those books.
But if there's like, you know a few things that
you took away from those books that are very practical
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that you would say are like kind of.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
You know the main things? What what what are those?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Well? One of the things that struck me that I
didn't get from my Christian church, for example, is that
the Ageless Wisdom says that the nature of the soul
is to serve. And so once we get in touch
with our soul through meditation or prayer or whatever any
spiritual practices we might have. Once we get in touch
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with our soul, we start looking for ways to help people.
And that can be anything. It can be financial donations,
it can be volunteer work, it can be starting nonprofits
that feed people, I mean anything, but we start looking
for ways to serve. So one of the problems that
we've built up is greed and competition and desire for power.
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Those three things, on an individual basis, demonstrate in almost
every aspect of life on this planet. And it's killing
life on this planet. It's killing relationships and so what
we need. We're moving from a time Jimmy of competition
to a time of cooperation. Huge, huge difference.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And like why is that? Like, can you prove that?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Sure, I can't prove it, but I can show you
how it works. Individuals are losing their power. Powerful individuals
around the world, in whatever field, are starting to become
less and less effective at helping people and at getting
things done.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Can you give an example, Well, sure.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
The president president of the United States, for example, one,
there's very little impact in the world anymore. And presidents
of other countries are having very little impact in the world.
It's it takes a long time for that to go away.
Dictators are starting to die out. There's fewer and fewer dictators.
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What's happening though, is groups. I'll give you an example.
In the United States, people might in the streets saved
our healthcare. Several years ago, big groups in every major
city in the United States, they were marching in the
streets saying, don't get rid of our health care. We
need our healthcare, don't mess with it. And so the
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government finally backed off and didn't mess with it.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
We talked about are you talking about medicaid healthcare or
is in like, what do you mean.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Medicaid medicare and just the general yes, healthcare that each
state provides. Obamacare is a great example that people wanted
to get rid of it, and people marching in the
streets said no, we need that, and it saved it.
People marching in the streets are marching all around the
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world now in the unions are marching way more than
they used to. See the thing about aquarian energy, it
supports groups, not individuals. So when people march in the streets,
they have this tremendous power they don't even know about
that's behind them, helping them accomplish things. The Benjamin Kram
and his See I didn't tell you about his master
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a second.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I want to hear I want to hear about it.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I'm really honestly super interested in the energies of these
different like aquarian energy and possi energy.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Who who decided? Like what energies those are?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Like how did somebody figure out this is a pissing energy?
Like how did somebody record that or talk about it? Was?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Like, you know what I mean? How was I in
from it? How did somebody come up with.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
The data to put that together and then for people
to be able to talk about it in a way
and say this is what this is.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
The Ageless Wisdom says that there's spiritual beings continue to
evolve as we humans. Once we become spirits, continue will
do involve in the spiritual world. So there's layers of
advanced spirituality, just like in a corporation, there's layers of management.
Earth has a God. That God is responsible for the
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plan of planet Earth.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
He's not God's call.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
He's called the logos of planet Earth. Soa Kamara have
you heard that name? Okay? So not Kamara? Is the
is the name of the god of this planet. Then
there's a god for every planet. Then the Solar system,
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there's a god for the Solar system. He's responsible for
the plan for the whole Solar system. Then there's a
God for the Milky Way galaxy.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Are these gods accessible in any way?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
The God for planet Earth is accessible through prayer and meditation.
But here's how it works. You don't actually contact God directly. God.
God has intermediaries that communicate on his or her its behalf.
The God has no sex, and those are the senior
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members of our spiritual kingdom. Jimmy. Well, as we go
through thousands of lifetimes, we finally learn all the lessons
Planet Earth has to teach us, and we don't need
to come and take a body anymore. Then we are
become a permanent spirit, a permanent consciousness. Those are called
Masters of the Wisdom, not because they're masters over us,
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but because they're masters over themselves. They're called many things,
the Lords of compassion. There are sixty three of these
great beings. Once you become a master, you can go
one of seven ways, seven paths. One of those paths
is the path of Earth Service. There are sixty three
of these great beings that have stuck around planet Earth.
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They're living in the mountain and desert regions of the
world where they don't have to deal with pollution. Some
are in bodies and some are not about their consciousness
and they have been the guide and the directors of
humanity behind the scenes, helping God administer God's plan on
the planet. So when we pray, the prayer is answered
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by one of the.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Masters, Doctor Benjamin.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yes, like, this is kind of like where you derived
there's information from. Where did he get it from?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
The perfect, perfect question and perfect timing. He was trained,
he wanted to be. He was never forced to do anything.
He said, would you be willing to go around and
tell the world that it's time for the next great teacher,
that people can have some hope despite how bad and
messed up things are, because a great teacher is coming,
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not to start a religion, not to wave a magic
wand and make everything okay.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
He said.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
If so, one of the masters wants to start communicating
with you telepathically, and he will train you how to
receive that communication. So Benjamin Cram was trained for over
a decade and how to receive telepathic communication from one
of the Masters of wisdom. And it's through that master
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that he gave out this information.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Who was a master?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
He wasn't able to reveal his name for several reasons.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
What isn't and then where master get his information from.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
From the logos of the planet.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I'm trying to go back to the genesis of the
foundation of like this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I'm fascinated because the parallels that you draw are they're
spot on, you know in terms of like where we're
out of the society. You know, I understand and feel
energies myself and I'm not. I'm very aware of that
good and they're real and so I yeah, like and
I I feel that stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Right, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
It's like I think, I think, you know, I think
a lot of people do. I'm like, but for me,
the biggest problem that I've had with with believing in
something like where I put my full self into it
because I used to be an evangelical Christian and I
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was on TV lead in worship and like in the
big church and all did the whole thing, and I
I got kind of sidetracked with it because I did,
you know, the way that they were using us to
get money and you know, and there was just that
there was a political thing too, and that's the religion
stuff that we're talking about before. But so I'm not
involved in that anymore, and I don't have that connection
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at all. But I but I still and that actually
helped me wake up a lot, to be honest, Yes,
so like, but what I'm what I'm really fascinated with
is is the truth?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Right?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
And so and so if somebody can't show me where
the source of truth is or even explain it. And
obviously we're talking about spiritual things, so I understand that
it may not be like a physical address, but you know,
but I want to get to the bottom of it,
you know, I want to know because if there's no
reason for this whole thing that we're doing here on
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this earth, then and it's very strange to me because
it would appear that with the level of intelligence that
we have on the spiritual capabilities that we have, our
ability to transcend and overcome crazy things that happen to
people and like you know, and just be so in
tune with kind of everything and and people know this
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stuff now this is like in our vernocular But where
does it all come from?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
What's the real truth?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
You know? What I mean? The truth has been released
to humanity when we're ready to learn it over the eons,
and that process continues. It comes from the logos to
the planet, to the masters of Wisdom who administer God's
will and the God's plan on the planet through humanity.
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They don't do anything. They will never force us to
do anything. We have free will, Jimmy, and it's sacred.
What they do is they take the most advanced human
beings at the time who are more receptive to their
ideas and their energies, and they work through those people.
Whether it's in the arts or in government or in science,
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they work through those people, and the bulk of humanity
ends up ultimately learning from them and growing. Learn, and grow.
Is why we're on the planet. We are on the planet.
You asked this question, and I'll give you the ageless
Wisdom answer. We are on the planet to spiritualize matter.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
To spirit sized matter.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yes, okay, okay, I close the animals, dogs.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Cats, but no, we hang on a second.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Let's talk about what matter is, okay, because you know so, okay,
My understanding of matter is that it's measurable, right, yes,
because because if if it doesn't matter, you can't measure it, right,
you know, you know what I mean. So if something matters,
it's like well something, if something really matters, you feel that, right,
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If it doesn't matter that much, you're like, okay, whatever, right,
and but that but that's a very basic kind of
way of thinking about it. But I think it's kind
of if there's a there's a it's kind of profound
at the same time. So if so, and this comes
back to something I was thinking about earlier when you
were talking, Because if you're going to spiritualize matter, what
I was thinking about while you were speaking earlier was
that is there this paradigm where everything that happens physically
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is actually a representation of what's happening happening spiritually, you know,
And and that kind of like I'm drawing this kind of well,
I'm feeling some connection between what you're saying nay about
spiritualizing matter.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, there's an angel swisdom saying that goes as above
so below. Yeah, so you're absolutely right. We are a
reflection of what is going on at the higher level.
Now here's what I meant by matter. I meant solid
liquid and gash things that exist in solid liquid gas,
and that includes us. Now, humanity is made up of
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four aspects. Every major philosophy and religion agrees We're made
up of physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual matter. Physical emotional, mental, inspiritual. Now,
if you think about it, that's the order of evolution.
First we were animal man, then we got feelings, then
we started to be able to use our mind, and
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then we became aware that we're living souls. That's the
order of evolution, so we are. What's happened, though, is
the bulk of humanity, Jimmy is at the emotional level.
That's where they're focused, and that causes all these fights
and all these arguments and all this disagreement and all
this emotional chaos, and the advanced elements of humanity are
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starting to get in touch with their mind and their soul.
So you could say that the body and the physical
and emotional is our lower self, and our mind and
our spirit is our higher self.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Right, Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
That's where we're going. We're going to see we're not
going to run our lives based on our feelings anymore.
We're going to run our lives based on our thoughts
and our spiritual will. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Well, so okay, So who are you in all of this?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Just an ordinary person who was attracted to this information.
There are several volunteers that are members of Shared International
who are trying to carry on the task that Benjamin
Krem took upon himself all by himself. There were supposed
to be five people giving out this information. He the
other four said no, thank you. He was the only
one that volunteered to travel the world without pay, giving
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lectures and doing meditations to get out the information that
it is time for a great teacher whose personal name
is my Trea. It's Sanskrit and it means the happy one,
the one who brings joy, and that he is he
is here in a physical body.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Now, how is he happy?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, that's a good question. It's more than happy, it's joyful.
Happy is an emotion. Joy comes from the soul. Because
he knows he's omniscient, he knows where this is all headed.
He knows that it's all going to work out.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
So hey, he's happy because he has a fith a
belief in an understanding of what's going to happen, not
a belief knowledge knowledge. Okay, but okay, yeah, I would
get split hairs on the difference between those two things.
But the fact is is that he has something that
a lot of people don't have to make him understand
(35:52):
that he can be joyful, right.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yes, he's a perfected human being who has the love
of God in.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
His heart and and so like.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
But but there is a fifth element to that, right
because like because because you have to know that he's
believing with knowledge that something is going to happen in
whatever way he knows whatever is being told to him.
But like, there is an element of faith and not
because it hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Here's the difference. If your mom says that ice cube
is cold and you believe her, that's faith. If you
touch that ice cube and experience it being cold, that
is knowledge.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Right But so but okay, so it is it that
the knowledge is timeless?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yes, he's timeless. Okay, He's had He's had hundreds of
thousands of lifetimes and become a perfected human being. He's
one of the most evolved of the Masters, or is he?
His His base was in the Himalayas. He made a
body himself, a physical body that he can't be killed
or destroyed. He can appear in thirty places at once.
(37:01):
He made a physical body, and then he flew from
Pakistan to London when July nineteenth, nineteen seventy seven. Now,
if you think about the Masters, know all about numerology.
Seven is July seventy seven. Seven is a very spiritual number.
(37:22):
Seven is according to the age's wisdom. Steven is, then
there are seven primary energies that make up everything on
the planet. And it's a combination of those seven energies
that make up everything. That's why there are seven wonders
of the world. That's why there are seven colors in
a rainbow. That's why there are seven notes on a
(37:43):
musical scale. It's not an accident. There are seven primary energies.
That's one of the reasons seven is such a sacred number.
So he came on seven, seven, seven, and he came
on July nineteenth, the one and the nine, that the
beginning and the end of the decimal system, the alpha
(38:04):
and the omega.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
That's that's not enough to sell me on believing everything.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
He said, Oh, I'm not trying to get you to
believe anything.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
No, I think that you are.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
I think you should be, and I want to you
know what I mean, because because like is it like listen,
like you have something that you're talking about you believe in,
and I'm trying to figure out if I should believe it.
You know, That's where I'm coming from because I, like
I said, like, I'm looking for the truth and and
I'm like, well, let's talk about it, because like, I
actually like what you're saying by I like the parallels
(38:36):
where we are right now in society. That's a great
thing to be able to want to help other people.
And I think that whatever way things are communicated to
you in your belief and in this might necessarily not
be wrong at all, Like I say, it might be
absolutely the truth, but like you know, but essentially that
there's a lot of commonality with the way that I
(38:59):
feel as a human in the way that you know,
I think a lot of other people do. And also
and the fact that you were saying about there's going
to be a lot of cooperation, you know, and that's
cool because it kind of transcends the religious boundaries that
may have been there in the past, and also transcends,
like you know, the different fiths and different gods, because
I think we're at a point in humanity where, you know,
(39:22):
I think there's a lot of people that understand that
whether we call it God, or we call it Buddha,
or we call it Jesus or we call it Mary whatever, Like, yes,
we're really talking about the same thing, right, yes, And
so it's like I think people are starting to get
onto that vibe. And I'm with that because you know,
like what my own mother like, if she didn't have
her faith in Jesus Christ, I think that she would
(39:44):
have a hard time in life. That has been a
backbone for her. And to take that backbone out of
somebody that's, you know, liter in life that's been through
a lot wouldn't be good, you know. And it's like,
but if for her to be able to kind of
like watch how her kids evolved and the way that
we talk, even in the way that I'm talking to you,
I think she kind of gets it. She's like, you know,
(40:07):
you know, yes, this is this is my thing. But
I but you guys are like kind of doing the
same thing, but you're like just talking about it in
a different way.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
You know.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
And so I'm like, I so yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
By the way, I'm sorry for the tragedies in your life.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Thank you for saying that. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, I'm really really sorry. And and the Age's wisdom
says that we come into this lifetime we with the
help of one of the masters, we choose our parents,
we choose our family, we choose where we're going to
be born.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
I mean, there's no way it was my dad.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah you did, you did. I'll tell you, I'll tell
you why. To even the karma, for example.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
That's a lot. That's some people.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Some people are born to an abusive parent, parma.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
So that means so busy. What you're saying is that, I'm.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
That means that a previous life you did something to him.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
I mean that must have done.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
You were his mother, or his brother, or his sister,
or his parent, his father, and you did something nasty
to him, you abused him in some way or whatever.
And now coming back into this lifetime. See, when people
understand the law of cause and effect, which is just karma,
cause and effect. As you sow, social you reap. It's
not in every major religion and and in science. It's
(41:34):
for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. When
people understand that.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
But I guess that's.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
A cheap way of his saying, like, if you do something,
something happens, the consequences doing right so as it does.
I don't like over spiritualizing concepts like that because it
takes away from the practical like a part of it,
which you you know, talked about. But the practical things
in life are the things that give people the ability
(42:00):
to handle each day, you know. And so I think
when you overspiritualize that it's kind of like it.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Comes out I'm sorry, I think it's I think it's
very practical. It tells you that if you have an
abusive parent, they're just balancing the karma out from the
previous lifetime, whichever one where you abuse them, And so
you don't try to get revenge. That's why revenge doesn't work.
You just you just let it happen and move on,
(42:29):
you know. And and so here for example, when I
see I'm driving in traffic and I see a car
that wants to get into the lane but there's too
much traffic, I always stop and I let that car in.
So when I'm in that light, when I'm trying to
get into traffic, guess what happens. Somebody always stops for me.
(42:50):
That's trama.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
No, get that. Look, if you walk out of.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
The door in the morning's work and you're just grumpy
and you're pissed off, and you know like you're pretty
much going to come across some guy that said, like
some ship to you, and like and it's going to
be a bad day, right, you know, and so and
and that's a good example of how practical knowledge is,
you know, even though it's a very That's.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
What I was trying to say.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
It's very practiclogy though, really, because you know, it's just
like wow, like if you treat people well, you will
be treated well.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
You know anything.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
It's simple, but it's true.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, yeah, it works, Yeah, it works.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
There are great lords of Karma in the Spiritual Kingdom
and they're responsible for administering the law of karma on
planet Earth so that it always balances.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Out with what like.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
I'm just saying, like what where, like where are these like,
like how many of them are there?
Speaker 2 (43:49):
The lords of Karma. I think they're three.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
And there they do. They have angels.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
They're in the solar they're in the Solar system. Serious
Serious is our sister solar system. It's extremely advanced. We're
very fortunate to have Serious as our as our sister
solar system. And they administer the laws of karma and
make sure it's balanced. So for example, with your dad,
now it's probably the scales of karma are probably balanced
(44:15):
and you will never have to have him in another
lifetime of yours ever, because the scales are balanced.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Thank God for that.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Now you're done with that, You're you're done with that problem.
I know.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
I mean that's you know, like sure, I mean, like
I'm a relief. It's it's not a relief.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
It's like it's like it's like the karma God's got
it wrong, you know, like like I don't think I
think they were like doing something that night.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
You know, they weren't paying attention.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
There are here so funny, but I get what you're saying, like,
and I like obviously, like.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
You know, yes, it's like I think that's very practical.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
I think it's obvious that no matter what happens, that
there's riple effects any any decision we make or the
action we take. And you know, even in your own mind,
whether it's you know, just how your day goes because
of your chain of thought, or whether it's something you
do or say or whatever. I love that practicality, I guess.
(45:15):
I guess so, like I think we're kind of on
the same page in a lot of ways in terms
of like, well, here's the actual makeup of of us
as humans, Like here, here's what works, here's what doesn't work,
and like, yes, there are some kind of ideas and
concepts that you're bringing up that I just wasn't aware
of before talking to you, and there and so that's yeah,
(45:37):
I'm happy. I'm excited actually to learn about it. But
what what I'm trying to work.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Out is are you are you the are.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
You like like an ordained messenger or like what's your role?
And is it like I know you work with share,
but like why why do you want to? Like is
it what's the agenda of getting the message out? Is
there no agenda? Is it just like literally, here's some
good information, or is there like a thing you know?
Speaker 2 (46:04):
There's two parts to my agenda. The first part is
to give people hope. As bad as it looks right now,
it's going to get better. This is almost the worst.
We might have a little bit more to go, but
see one of the great laws of one of God's
great laws is balance equilibrium, and that means that however
(46:27):
bad it is, that's how good it's going to get
in the future. We have a lot to look forward to.
For example, the ending of starvation on the planet I'm
told that will happen within about three years of my
Trea coming forward openly to humanity, and I'll tell you
how he's going to do that, so that everybody will
know whether I'm full of beans or not. But before
(46:48):
we get to that, the first part of my agenda
is that give people hope for the future. There's hope,
hang in there, hang in there.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
And why what is the hope you're giving them? I
understand that we're to begin with. It's we're talking about
the ages that we're living in, and so we're moving
through time, im through these ages. So there's maybe hope
coming because of this commonality and this cooperative kind of
nichure that's coming exactly energetically.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
All of these things.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Well, that in particular is conceptual, it's quite big, it's
very general. So how does that give somebody hope that
is starving?
Speaker 2 (47:25):
My Trayo said through Benjamin cram that, well, we already
know this. We have a fourteen percent per capita surplus
the food in the world. It's just not getting distributed.
So we've got plenty of food, but it's just not
getting distributed to the people that are starving. So plans
are being said that plans are being made behind the
scenes on how to distribute the food, and that once
(47:49):
my traa comes forward and convinces us, see convinces the
wrong word, he's going to show us that our mind's eye,
we're going to see it happen, and he's going to
explain to us that we need to feed everybody. There's
no reason to have people starving and dying, mostly children
(48:10):
on this planet every day in the thousands.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
That's not it's not that's like I mean, I think
we all know that if the world came together there
would be no star vasion.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Well, the world's going to come together. That's the hope
that That's what gives should should give people hope, is
that once he once he people agree with him, it'll
be within three years nobody will be serving on the planet,
nobody will be starving.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
He'll be the coddless for that to happy us.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Okay, yes he's going to And.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Is he going to appear physically or oh yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, he's in a physical body, So when's that going
to happen. That's the thing. Just like the Bible that
you learned, nobody knows the day or the hour I'm
telling you what. I'll tell you what I think. That's
nothing official.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Isn't that kind of a can.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Well it could be taken that way.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
Well, I mean, if I'm stated they are, I'm like,
I mean that pisses me off because like I'm like, yeah,
you know, it's like if if if I'm going to
poot my life and soul into into understanding and believing
in your teachings and who.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
You are and all of that, like like and and
you're that's a lot. That's a lot to ask somebody.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
You know. I don't want you you forget. I don't
want you to believe me. And my traa says, don't
believe me, just practice what I teach. Here's the deal.
But I'm saying, by twenty seven, if.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
You practice what he preaches, what he's preaching is authenticity, sincerity,
like serving God.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
You're you're spot on, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
But yeah, but like I know, but then he's not
doing that by not telling. He's like, he's like, but
I'm not going to tell you when I'm going to come.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Well, he's he's got to. People don't understand how great
these beings are and what they have to deal with
because there are dark forces in the world.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
So there because dark forces that they're real side of
we know about it.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
So he's got to he's got to equate all the
energy is pouring through our solar system and coming into
the planet Earth, and and the status of humanity and
our suffering and our hope for the future, and our
prayers that we need help. He's got to make all
(50:23):
that happen so that when he comes forward, it's the
perfect time to come forward, to have the greatest possible
impact on the world. And so he can't even predict
what he's going to do. He doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
That's fine, I'm.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Saying it'll be within the next five years, probably the
next three years, when my Trea comes forward on radio
and television. Here's how people will know if it's him.
I'm going to give him three ways. Number One, they'll
(50:59):
see his face on TV, but his lips won't move.
They will hear his words in their head in whatever
their native language is. It'll be telepathic communication, which is
how the spiritual universe talks to each other. They communicate telepathically,
So that's the one. It'll be a weird experience because
(51:19):
you'll be hearing him but he won't be talking. The
second way, people will know what's talking.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
Some really great schizophrenic drugs off the back of that.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
The second way is that while he's speaking for thirty
minutes twenty five forty five, people will feel the love
of God in their heart like they've never felt it before.
He said. He said, it will be as if I
physically embrace you. That's how strong it will be. A
lot of people be crying. I'll probably be one of them.
The third way you'll know it's him is that when
(51:51):
he's done talking, addressing the world, telling us who he is,
why he's here, giving us some ideas about how we
can change life on this planet so it gets better.
When he's done speaking, there will be press reports Jimmy
from around the world that while he was speaking, hundreds
of thousands of people were miraculously healed. And in these
(52:14):
three ways, you'll know that this is the teacher, and
that you're responsibly very individual. Everybody will have to decide
for themselves whether they think he makes sense, whether they
think he's a good guy or a bad guy. Everybody
will decide. Benjamin Kram said that it appears about a
third of the people will say this sounds good, how
(52:34):
can I help. About a third of the people will
say WHOA. I'm going to wait and see, and about
a third of the people will say look out, Antichrist,
bad guy, look out. But that third that will respond
initially is more than the critical mass needed to start
turning this planet around and creating a heaven.
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