December 17, 2025 • 45 mins
Country artist Chase Matthew joins Brooke Taylor and Pastor Mark Evans on The Upload for a deeply personal conversation about faith, grief, and discovering purpose. Raised Pentecostal in a family rooted in church, Chase shares how his faith journey wasn’t always straightforward. There were seasons when he questioned whether he even believed in God at all.
In the midst of grieving the loss of his aunt—one of his biggest musical inspirations—Chase found himself asking God for a sign: If You’re real, show me my purpose. What followed was a moment he describes as unmistakable. A direct answer from God: “You’re about to find out.” That phrase—YATFO—became his mantra, scribbled across notebooks, and soon marked a turning point as he began playing in his church’s youth band.
Chase opens up about growing up in the Pentecostal church, witnessing moments like speaking in tongues, the meaning behind his Isaiah 54:17 tattoo (“No weapon formed against you shall prosper”), and his ongoing struggles with shame. The conversation also dives into big questions about the afterlife and what Chase imagines heaven might be like.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's for Taylor, Mark Evans. Chase Matthew our guest this
week on the Upload, and man, we are going to
impact a lot of things going on in your life.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Is this really me? I feel like I don't deserve
where I'm at.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
But the shame, that feeling of shame, Jesus doesn't want
you to feel that. He will be there. Man, the
Holy Spirit will guide you. He will be your guiding
light through the darkest times.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Crazy, and I'm very excited. Tears might be shed in
this episode. You're gonna want to listen.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I cried. The world is totally flat. It is absolutely flat.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Welcome to the Upload, Chase Matthew. Is our earth is flat?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's there is, Chase Matthew.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Oh my goodness, Chase, how are you.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm good. I'm excited. I'm glad to be back seeing
you too, because.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's been I think it's been over a year since
I've seen you, which is no, it's definitely.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Been over your year.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, it's a hell, it's been it's probably been two years,
I think so, because you were out there towards like
Franklin area that I was that was the last time
I saw you.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And yeah, we talked about a whole lot of stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I think it was like right when everything was really
taken off, and it feels like we've hit a whole
nother gear here lately.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It's a really cool story.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Now you got your face on buses and all kinds
of stuff. That's all.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, you know, they gotta I just look for promo
and any opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Possible, you know. It's it's it's what you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
A lot of competition out here, and I feel like
I didn't see this before. What is this Isaiah.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Isaiah fifty four seventeen. Yeah, I did have that last time.
I don't know if we talked about it, but oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Tell me about Isaiah fifty four to seventeen. What does
that mean?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
No weapon formed against me shall prosper? You know.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I think that's just like that's in the world you
live in today. Like I think there's a lot of things,
especially when you're trying to tell the Word of God
a little bit every night, there's a lot of things
probably out to get you, and you got to make
sure that you've got the covering that you need, you know.
So yeah, that's that scripture means a lot to me.
And I quote it literally almost every day.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So I love that.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
It's a real deal. Man. It's a uh, it's a fought.
It's the flesh and blood versus the unseen world. And
you know, it's so easy to primarily focus on what
we see, feel, touch, tangible, But that's the question is
where does the supernatural meet the natural? Where do they blend, converge,
Which one's primary, which one's secondary. All these questions are
(02:20):
worth talking about. I think faith is such a broad spectrum,
a broad topic, but I think one thing everyone agrees
on is it's not just this benign idea that's supposed
to sit on a shelf. I think people realize it's important.
It's like there's something maybe it's a different thing here,
a different thing there, but like, really it's so important
that we have good discussions around these kind of things,
(02:44):
like what does that look like?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So what is your first memory of a relationship or
describe your faith, like, is what is that moment where
you're like, Okay, there's something more out here?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
So I would say I grew up going to church
camp every summer most times.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Vacation Bible school.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
No, I never really did that. I you know, in
our Pentecostal church. I don't think we really had it.
I was that flavor too, bro.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Yeah, yeah, cannon snakes and kangaroos.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Man, well, no, I yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I mean I think my first memory of like filling
the Holy Spirit in a way that I've never like,
just something that was unfamiliar to me and the experience
it for the first time. It was probably church camp.
I don't remember how old I was, Man I was.
I was young though, I was probably like Man, I
was probably nine or ten and I saw this this
(03:38):
I think it was a yeah, he went to our church.
He started speaking tongues, young dude, and we're like, by
the way, if you've never see somebody speaking tongues, this
is your first time. You're freaking out right. You're like, yeah,
You're like, what is going on here? But I think
that was my first time like feeling like that them
cold chills of like whoa, like something's in the room, right,
(04:02):
And but I think my first experience was so like
in my childhood, I talked to I talked to you
about this before, Brooke, of like my story kind of
I just went to like so many different schools and
did with a little bit of bullying and stuff. And
I'm not complaining about it. I'm not trying to make
a soft store like we've all been through stuff right away.
It's what you make of it. But I think that
(04:23):
I was. I went to church camp this one year.
Our church decided to go to this place called Youth America,
Youth America and it and it's in Oklahoma City, and
so we took a bus out there, like the church
took all the kids out there and we went to
Youth America.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
An amusement park or something.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
No, it's it's a huge church camp from church. I
don't know, but it was called Hood of America. Dude,
I'm not kidding you.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I wish.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I don't think our church was able to do it
again the second year or you know, after that, so
so we never got to go back. But I don't
even know if it's a thing that's still standing. But
I say all this tell you so like I was.
I remember we had like multiple days there and I
was probably like my third day in and I was
just watching a lot of people and I was probably
like thirteen fourteen at this time. I was like seeing
(05:13):
everybody else having their own experiences, and I was just
kind of like, you know, man, I was raising church
like I was raised. My grandfather was a preacher, great
grandfather was a preacher. My mom's a ministry, My whole
family's a ministry. And I'm just like, man, do I
even believe in God?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Right? Like? I was born into this, man like, I
didn't have my own experience yet. Yeah, I was going
through a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I'm like, man Like, I was always trying to make
new friends because I was bouncing between schools and I
just had a lot of struggles at that age, and
so I was kind of trying to figure out.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
What my purpose was.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Like everybody was like, you know, I'm going to go
be a doctor when I grow up, and I'm going
to go do this. And I wanted to be the
guy that wanted to raise four wheelers and write music
and play the drums. And I didn't really have a
niche yet, you know. And I think that at that age,
that's when you're trying to figure life out. And remember,
I asked God this, and this still gives me cold
(06:05):
chills to this day. I said, God, if you're real,
and I believe that you are, but God, if you're real,
what is like what is my purpose?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
What am I supposed to be doing?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And I think what I was expecting in that moment
was some sort of comfort because my aunt had just
passed away and she was a big musical inspiration.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
She actually had a Christian rock band, Christian metal.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Band, no kidding, it was called web w Ebb and
she passed away. She she once sleep didn't wake up.
She had a battle with cancer and she beat it.
But I mean, there's still anyways. I'm not going to
dabble in all that, but she was a big inspiration
to me. And I remember in that moment, I said, Lord, like,
what what am I supposed to be doing with my life?
(06:48):
And he said, You're about to find out. It was
the first time I ever heard, like the first time
I ever you know what I mean. It's not like
to people to explain to people like that haven't heard
what the voice of God sounds like. It's not an
audible voice. It's almost like a thought. It's a thought.
Yeah that like hits, but you know that it's nothing
you thought about of the blue, it's like. And so
(07:10):
he said, You're about to find out, and Yachtfo was
like something I've ran with you why at fo You're
about to find out?
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Yacht foah?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
And I would write it down on everything for like
for years, and so I always remember yachtfo and like,
no kidding. Right after that was when I started playing
like in the youth bandit church and I started like
like it was it was kind of like the turning
point for like my life and my first experience with God,
and like I started really actually having thoughts of like wow,
(07:40):
like you know, what is what does heaven look like?
Like like what is the afterlife? Because I started thinking
about that after my pass. So yeah, that was my
first experience I think with like the Holy Spirit and
like understanding that there is something bigger, you know, and
then what much more experience is after that?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
That kind of created my personal faith.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
God is so cool because Mark and I were just
talking about asking and you know, asking for a specific
answer and getting it and how if you're seeking, he'll
literally show it to you as long as you're looking
for it. And I just think that's such a cool
story of you know, and you were young, you're a teenager.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, he definitely had to throw me that little that
little because I was, you know, talk about that questioning
moment too.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
You shouldn't question God.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
But like I had that questioning moment, and I think
it was my first time we got saying, look, here's
the favor, here's here's here's my touch, here's here's my voice,
and like, don't forget it, and yachtfo man, I'm gonna
get it. I always said him.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
We get a tattooed.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I got all these tattoos and I still ain't got
that one.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
I don't know's I mean that's the yapo that is
clutch and I'm going to carry that with me because
that whole we don't get to see the whole picture.
We just get a glimpse of the promise. But the
in between, it's like it's like light into my path,
lamp into my feet, and it's like you're about to
find out is true? Every single time, if that is true,
he's a lamb in my feet, I'm a step I'm
(08:57):
about to find out. I'm I'm about to find out again.
And it's just like I love that. That's that is
a perfect articulation of what living in the tension is
all about. It's like that's actually our design. We're supposed
to live with this if we just the full picture
was revealed to us, it wouldn't be this relationship in
the same way you got intended of father and son.
(09:19):
You know, if I gave all my details to my
nine year old, it'd be terrible. It'd be it's like, hey,
my loader gains just like, that's not the point of
this father son relationship. And it's like when you understand
he doesn't understand. He's like, why I want to know?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Tell me.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I'm like, but he trusts me. Just trust me. You're
about to find out.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, it's that age of like responsibility too that comes,
you know, it talks about in the Bible too, of
like you definitely comes with age like you. There's a
there's a moment of understanding where you becoming an age
like and you've been through a few things that you
understand why things happen the way they do, and like,
I think that that was definitely a big turn of
moment for me. So yeah, I mean, like you said,
the father and son thing is is definitely a great
(09:57):
reference because when you're young, you're always asking your dad, Hey, man,
like so why why but why you know? But oh,
so you know, why do the wheels turn on the car.
But why, like you know, and you do a lot
of but why with God? And I think when he
when he comes down and puts his hand out like that,
you know, it's something you remember forever.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
You said something earlier about you know, asking and like
trying to figure out what heaven looks like, what what
do you think heaven looks?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Like? Oh my God? Okay, so can we talk about
this for a second.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, So I saw this video two nights ago and
it kind of like scared the crap out of me, right,
Like when you guys think about like the grace that
God has, right, like the great like we know it
it's so huge, right, it's it's it's amazing and it's unfathomable,
but we don't know how much it really does cover.
(10:43):
And so here's what this video was. This woman and
she was trying to explain to her I think it
may have been her boyfriend or husband or something. She
was like, I just had this dream and God was
walking Jesus was walking me, not God, but Jesus was
walking me through heaven or she thought it was heaven.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But she's like, I don't know what it was, but
it was so beautiful. She said, all these.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Angels were dancing and singing, and then he walked me
to the darkness and she's like, I'm telling you, it's
nothing you She was like trying to profusely like like
tell him like it's I can't explain my God, I
can't explain it. And he was trying to calm her down,
and she's like, he, in that moment, you should have
just let her keep going because like I've been in
that moment before and not not about like seeing heaven.
(11:28):
I've never been that lucky, which you know, the Lord
knows I probably need that scare for sure, so go
to the But uh, it was it was a video
that I remember. I mean I went to bed two
nights ago and I was like, wow, like that experience
has got to be something that you.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's a it would be a blessing.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I think to experience something like that, it would put
the fear of God in you for sure when you
go see the darkness side of it. But I mean,
I've I think, like thinking about like the afterlife in
heaven and like all of that. People have their a
lot of people people that don't really know the gospel.
And I think even people that do know, the Gospel
have their own idea of what the afterlife looks like.
(12:07):
I think for me, it's like heaven is a place
that goes beyond explanation. It's beyond like understanding of the
human mind, because what we know here, you know. But
for me, what I could imagine it's like is just
such a rejoiceful moment, you know, like something where we
don't think about what we're thinking about right now, Like
(12:27):
there's not even a conversation, like it's just it's just
something so beautiful, like something so perfect that you can't
explain what perfect looks like.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I don't. I don't know if that's what your question.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Well, for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
There was this video though, in viral sometime this year,
and it was this little boy who was coming out
of anesthesia and he was like.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I saw it, and he's like Jesus, don't leave. And he's,
oh my god, I cried.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
No seriously, like started son in mind, and.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
He just kept saying, You're so beautiful, You're so beautiful.
And I was just like chillbums crying, and I'm like, Gottie.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Did you read the yeah so much.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Like passed away so recently. Yeah, And he would like
he was oh my God.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Or something.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I think it was Casein, but yeah, just just describing
he was he was trying to like describe but the
word he just kept saying beautiful. And it's just kind
of like what you're saying, where it's those moments where
we're not going to be able to describe it because
it's just like we've never seen it before.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Can you believe that there's people out there that think
that that video is a hoax? You cannot make that
stuff up, man, You can't. You can't make that stuff up. Man,
There's no there's not enough morphine in the world to
make you have a dream like that.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
It's just like the spirit behind it, like if you're
sensitive to like, yeah, the spirit is authentic, it's real.
It's like that's what got me. Wasn't just like the
narrative of it, because any narrative can be faked, but
it's like the spirit of it. I was like, he's
really having this experience, Like yeah, and then that's like
two forever to have that moment with Jesus but also
(14:03):
with his dad and for his mum to share in that.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I dude, that just yes, as a parent, that'll wreck.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Yeah, yeah, and it's just so cool to like, I
think it hits hard, and I know how you feel
about this, but I think it hits hard for me
because every time I every time I get like weird
or like frustrated or weary or that, like it's I'm
focusing too much on just the immediate and now they're
looking down to my feet, like what's going on the natural?
(14:29):
But like, I find that the focus on eternity, like
my consciousness, even what we're talking about right now, it's
like pulls me above all, like the things I think
really matter here and I'm frustrated with and an annoyment.
I feel like the eternal perspective. Yeah, let's just say,
I with all my heart believe this is absolutely true.
(14:50):
Like you can search, you can pretend, you can deny,
but at the end of the day, if you flip
over enough stones, you will find that there is an eternity,
there is a God in heaven who loves you so much,
and there is an afterlife. Yeah, the thing is living
with the eternal perspective. A lot of people who believe
in Jesus but don't live through the lens of eternity.
(15:11):
How have you found the lens of eternity, because that's
what I feel like. The is the thing here to
mine out and to sit with. Is what have you found?
Just the eternity has brought you from perspective, from encouragement,
from like even just wrestling some of the hard, tricky
stuff with it.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Well, the thought of eternity for me probably gives me
an asthma attack.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
But I think it's kind.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Of funny you bring that up, because I was thinking
about that the other day, like you said, and like
you were just saying, there's a lot of issues in
our day to day life, right, and when you think
about the aspect of eternity, for me at least, when
I think about the aspect of eternity, all that little
stuff doesn't matter anymore. Like the thought of eternity though
it's so hard to comprehend though too, because like you know,
I've only been on this world twenty seven years, so
(15:58):
like to think for eternity in spirit, like it's kind
of a crazy thought. Honestly, I should be thinking about
that more often, you know. I fall short so much
man this. I don't want to be caught up in
a situation where I gotta face God and not have repentance,
you know what I mean. So yeah, I mean I
think the thought of eternity is a scary thought. And seriously,
(16:20):
I mean I think like sometimes I end up in
this position in my brain where I'm like, oh, Lord,
like I hope I'm right when I hope I'm right
with God when that moment comes.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
You know, man, Well, isn't it just so awesome though,
that we serve such a kind God that He's going
to meet you where you're at, no matter what, you
can fall short today or tomorrow, and He's still gonna
love you.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
It's really it's And I think back to what you
were saying a second ago about real, Like the word
real that holds such a weight for me at least,
like I've seen.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I think in this world we've got like.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Social media and stuff, you know, people are kind of
like everybody's recognizing that so many things are not real anymore.
Like when there's so many things you can don't you
don't know what is real anymore. And like I'm started
to notice I think you guys probably have too. There's
like a huge shift lately I've seen where a lot
of people are turning their lives over to the Lord,
and like, I feel like it's honest. I feel like
(17:15):
it's real, and I think people are chasing something that's real,
and this is the only.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Thing you can find that is real. So the only thing.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I mean, there's not a religion out there that that
stands and lines up with every single thing, every struggle.
Anytime you call on the Lord, he will be there,
like you feel it, man, and it's it's real. It's
the Holy Spirit's real. And uh like like that's I
just wanted to touch on the real thing.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Well, And I love that you brought that up because
I feel like so many people nowadays use this as
a god with a lower case G, right, like they
turn this into an idle And it's just like once
you lay that down and you know, to say, blow
up your.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Phone, dude, the amount of times I've been on the
edge every time and like looking it up, having my
cot and I'm like, dude, I need to do this,
but no, it's it's true. It's like that becomes the
center of my perception, perspective, the lens, you know, everything
like that. But one of the things I do think
is and partly maybe this is worth just exploring and
(18:12):
even considering. I think that right now what we're seeing
is a turn to awareness of God more than ever
is because our access to flip over, because if you knock,
the door will be open, and if you seek, you
will find. I think when we don't want to know
if God's real and we kind of like, yeah, look
it's just too much right now, that we don't that's fair,
(18:33):
then we don't knock and we don't seek in, and
we don't find. But I think right now we have
such an easy access to like seeing that boy, that
young boy having that encounter, and then it leads us
to this next and we go down this pathway. It's
easy to flip over stones in terms of like, well
is it real? What is and figure this out for
and put on this podcast and work it all out.
So I think there is a good side to this
(18:56):
search that gives us a conduit to find truth because
it's actually also obvious to see what's not real. I
think we're more sensitive now to see what's fake what's
not real, than we ever have been as well.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I mean, we're we're questioning things as as humans, especially
with cell phones, we're questioning what is real?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
More than ever now.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I think also like take what you were saying with
the like how accessible it is to see testimonies like
that young kid. There's also like like well, I mean
you said it the pipeline right, the rabbit hole of
like curiosity, Like we're seeing everybody else's payoff with with
the Lord and it's grabbing the attention of many other people.
I mean it's almost like like it's like, what's the scripture?
(19:37):
It says God can take evil things and turn them
for good. I mean like you could say that this
is evil.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I mean you could.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
I could definitely give you many references on why this
phone is evil totally, but he could take evil things
and turn them for good. And like he's taking the
environment of social media and showing his hand, you know,
like I think it's so cool.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Well, I think that kind of plays really into you
as an artist, because some people can use their gift
for you know, evil or do self right. They become
the idol, They become the thing that people are worshiping.
Have you ever in your career, I mean I know
it's we're just on the rise, but so far in
(20:18):
your career, have you ever wrestled between like your identity
in Christ and your identity as an artist as Chase Matthew.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Absolutely, I think I've also dealt with halving to humble myself,
you know, or being humbled by God. I've had, I
think lately, you know. And I understand we're on a
faith based podcast, right like this is, this is, which
is beautiful and like, but I'm the least perfect person.
I mean, I mean, I think we all are, but
(20:46):
like I'm one of those people that I beat myself
up for my sins a lot, you know. And I
guess what I'm trying to say here is like, yeah,
I think I've had some identity times.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Before where I'm like, is this really me? You know.
I think a lot of times too, with my.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Career, I feel like I don't deserve where I'm at,
you know, I don't deserve these blessings, Like I'm not worthy,
Like I'm not you know, I'm like, Lord, why did
you pick me?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Like because I see a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Change up in my life that kind of make me
feel like man, you know, like he doesn't deserve that,
you know. But I've also realized that regardless of how
I got here and regardless of how bad I wanted it.
God obviously had a plan and wrote it out with
me and put me here.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
So my job is to make.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Sure that I tell people about how I got here,
and that's always been Jesus. It's nothing I could have
done for myself. And that's something I say every night
on stage, is there's nothing I could have done for myself,
and nothing anybody else could have done for me to
put me on a stage like this. It was always Jesus,
it was always God, it was always the Holy Spirit.
I can't take any glory for this. It's all glory
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to be to God. And like you were saying, I
think with a lot of artists, you know, using our
platform for for a stage is not something that a
lot of artists do. But I'm seeing a lot more
artists do. And I'm seeing people like Bailey Zimmerman, Jelly Roll,
the Brandon Lake collab.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I know that's controversial.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I love it. I absolutely love it. I know Jelly
very well. I met Brandon Lake at CRS Believers. Man,
what a cool guy, What a what a anointed person?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Like?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Such an anointed person. And you know, when you I
think in the in that CCM world too, I think
there's a that's again another weird place to be right.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
You never really know.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Where people's hearts are actually at, or if they're in
it for the money or or you know. I think
that Brandon Lake, with him blowing up the way he has,
he's absolutely shed light on the most proper and right
things to do. And I think it's just I just
think it's beautiful, Amanda, to use your use your platform
for good.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I also want to speak to you really quick, just
as a friend, Yeah, saying that you feeling that you're
not worthy. Jesus sat with the sinners. Yeah, look at
the disciples. Okay, we every single day, every single one
of us fall short. And whether that's how you fall short,
I fall short in a different way, Mark falls short
in a different way. The fact that you can stand
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up on stage in front of twenty thousand people and
say it's not about the music, it's about the message
that is important. So don't sell yourself short and think
that you're not worthy of that. Because if God can
take you, know, he could take the least of these,
you know what I mean? And he and he's after
your heart, and he has your heart, and we're gonna
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make mistakes each day, but you don't ever not feel
worthy because God can use literally anybody, and the fact
that you're not afraid to say his name.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Yeah, it's so cool.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Thank you, thank you so much. Yeah, yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
You can't deny it, like you say, when you have
an experience like Youth America, when you have an experience
and you see the things that you've seen like and
you feel the things you felt and your answered prayers,
you definitely can't deny it.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
And I think that there's so many people lost in
this world.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
They're still looking for what's real on that side of
that side of that algorithm on social media, that they
don't know what's real.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
And if you can give them something real, they'll feel it,
you know.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
And it's not my job to make it feel real.
It's my job to just tell you what I know
is real. And the Holy spirital to the rest.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
I love the moment in the Bible where Jesus calls
two of his disciples and he calls them they were
known as the sons of Thunder, and they got that
reputation just because they're a little bit wild. And for me,
that was me growing up. I had this part of
me that was like really good love people. It also
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could like bash an Egyptians heading with a rock on
a bad day.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
That's Moses.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Don't say that is not a confession.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
That was Moses in the Yeah, we got them. But
it's like a lot of the people that God used
were dangerous, wild, like dangerous in a good and a
bad way. David, you know you can go through Samson like,
but it's just like for me, We've never deserved it.
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We never will deserve it. Like, dude, I'm a pastor.
I don't deserve to be a pastor. Like that's the truth, like,
and to say otherwise it is just crazy. In fact,
the gospel is that I would be saved by grace
through faith. And when you stand up there and I
stand up there, and it's like and we're just having
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these conversations of this is the truth, but I don't
deserve any of this. It is literally by grace through
faith in our testimony. And then what as a Bible say.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Bible says, you overcome the power of the enemy through
the blood of Jesus and the power of your testimony.
And so man, I stand up there every time every
Sunday and I'm like, dude, imposter syndrome is it's real,
so real. But guess what, that's not God's voice. That
the accuser of you and I. That is God's volt.
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That is the enemy's voice. God's voice is a voice
of grace, of love. It says, yeah, he is the
one that petitions God the throne on our behalf. He's
our So man, I love it. That is the right posture.
It's it's honest, it's real. I just don't think like
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I feel for you, bro about like I beat myself
up too. Yeah, And I'm like and I'm like, dude,
don't do that. I'm like, bang on, yeah, you know
what I mean. I'm just sitting in front of a
mirror right now, and I just say.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
It's so funny you have all those references because that's
what I say, like I kind of have. I mean,
I'm gonna be honest, it's kind of a I don't
want to say it's a script, but it's it's a
very meaningful message, and I want to make sure I
get it right every night. So I kind of say
the same sort of thing. But I always say, like, y'all,
like there's a lot of y'all that came through these
gates tonight. And you beat yourself up. I say that.
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I say you beat yourself up sometimes you get you
get up in the morning and you look in the mirror,
like you said again a reference, and you look in
the mirror and you beat yourself up because you feel
like you're not where.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
You want to be in your life.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Give it to the Lord. Trust God to put you
where you're supposed to be. Believe in yourself, chase your dreams.
You've got a purpose for your life, and He'll put
you right where you're supposed to be. And that's like,
that's like my drive and that's my driveward. That's like
the Center's prayer, the Repetitive Suitors prayer, right, Like it's
like that's.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
My show ending every night, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
And and like I said, all Glory be to God,
and that's like that's the best way to end my show. Lately,
we've been playing a Forest Frank song like the headline
stuff on the walk out, like I'll wish one God. Yeah,
that song is I love it. Did y'all go to
the bridge Stone show here in town?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
I did not know my we did, and my nine
year old son was there. That was his first ever.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
You love it.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
I'm telling you standing on the chair, we had like
right sent a section second row.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, he's just like, oh dude, it was jumping right there.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
It was jumping. Ye. He's nine and he's little, like
he went home. He got a forest frank haircot.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
He and he's still making a music from bed working.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Cay slow him down, they slow him down. I respect it.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
God will use it, man, But look that that just
even what he's doing in the example of like God,
it's just happening. It's so cool to see that there's
these leaders and voices and there's a there's a what
I would call like a clarion call, like people like
there's this clarion call of like hey, it's it's okay.
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It's not even okay or like permission, but it's like, man,
there is just this can I say positive peer pressure
towards authenticity and realness is like there is like something
and that's just that's just dope to see, like just
to see God getting the credit in places like that
he should, So I love it.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
I think on that note, I want to share something
with you guys because I have like this this story
to tell you, and the only reason I want to
share it is because there's like I think there's somebody
that's probably ben end.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Up seeing that that is battling that. How do I
say this? Man, they're battling. They're they're battling, period.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
They're battling following what's right and doing what they know
is right for themselves. I was in Las Vegas, you
know what, Let's bring it back even further than that.
Since the last time I me and you saw each other,
and probably since me and you saw each other on
separate occasions from then, I have like I kind of
went through this time where I just like spiraled and
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I just went down the opposite direction of the toilet
right down under. Yeah, man, I kind of just lost myself.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Man. And like I I'd never like like.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
The anxiety, right the word anxiety, Like I kind of
was raised in a household were like man, man, mind
ever matter, bro, Like that's not a thing. And I
never had I guess I have my own experiences, and
I didn't understand what it was going on. And so
I tried to like depend on even a therapist, like
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my dad was kind of like not really for the
therapist thing. But I went and got a therapist and
it was good. I mean, he helped helped me with
some things mentally. But I found myself in a position
where I was in Vegas a few months ago, and
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again I was kind of just not living my life
for the Lord like I originally had had been doing.
You know, this, this whole music thing got a kick start,
I feel like because the Lord was giving me favor
and I didn't feel his favor anymore. And I and
I knew that I was not doing the right thing.
And a few months before that day in Vegas, my
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booking agent, Alec had hit me up and he was like, hey, man,
Forrest Frank's coming to Nashville.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Do you want to go?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
You know, UTA's got a box up there. We can
get you in if you want to go. I said, yeah, man,
give me two tickets. I'll I'll find somebody to go
with me. And my plan was, I'm gonna find me
a woman loves Jesus and this is gonna be my
pickup line.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
You want to go to a forest Front concert with me?
Guess what? Didn't find nobody.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
So still working on finding that person. But uh so
I'm in Vegas, and I had an opportunity. I have
a lot of friends there, and like, I had an
opportunity to either stay in Vegas do some very recreational
things that I shouldn't do, or stick with my plan
and go see the Forest Frank concert that Sunday night.
We had a show in Vegas, so that's why we
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were out there. And I was like, Okay, I'm gonna
stay in Vegas. I'm just gonna do it. Let's just
stay in Vegas. Like, I don't got anybody to go
to the Control with me. I don't want to look
like a doork walking in there, Like Lord knows, I'm
a sinner. My pastor sees me walking in there, and
I don't got somebody with me. He's gonna try to
talk to me all day, and I'm worried about it.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I don't I don't wanna. I don't want to feel
the conviction that night, you know what I mean? Like
and uh real, I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Really remember the exact chain of events, but I decided
I was gonna go. I decided I was gonna go
back to Nashville, and I'm so glad I did, because
I was in this spiraling moment where I didn't know
who I was. I didn't know who Jesus was anymore.
I had that confusion. I was stuck in my phone
trying to figure out what's real, and I hadn't felt
the Holy Spirit. And I don't know how long, man,
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I went to that Forest frank concert and I literally
found Jesus again.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I was sitting in.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
That box and I'm not embarrassed, but I tell you what, man,
my team knows me. I cuts like a sailor. I'm
so imperfect. They saw me cry like a little baby.
I mean, he hit that moment in his show where
I believe it's his Is it his grandfather? That's like,
who's his grandfather? He's like a pretty profound preacher, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
I don't know exactly the story, but he tells the
testimony of that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Well he told his testimony and he was like, you know,
I was. It was literally my story. It was my
story minus the part where he went to college because
I dropped out of high school. But like that's kind
of like in a way that it reflects in the
same way as my story. And so yeah, man, I
found such a feeling there that was just I can't
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explain it, man.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
It uh.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
It brought me back, though. It brought me back to
like a to that young Chase in a youth America.
It brought me back to that moment of like, you
got a purpose for your life, man, and you're abusing
it and and and and he like, in a moment,
I saw the glimpse of that favor again and I
was like.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
That's what it's about. It's not just a script.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
That you're reading off stage every night, Chase, Like you
got to say it and mean it from your heart.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
It's where your heart is. And it brought me back, man.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I think that night I left and I ended up
running into one of my friends there and she ended
up riding back with me that night, and we just
talked about like like so many like it was just
I could go on and on about it. I would
fly if I had, If I had, if I had
to fly to Australia to go see Forest Frank again
and I had a day off, I would do it.
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I would love to experience that concert every single night
from here on out. And and again, I don't say
any of this for I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I'm not trying to get through the forest front. I'm
just I'm telling you that guy's annoying. And if you're
dealing with something and you want to resonate through music
with the Holy Spirit, go see that.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Go see that show.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I love that you, as an artist had this experience
at a show as a fan. As a fan, I
think it's so cool for you to see that lens
of like the impact that being on that stage has,
because whether you see it or not, or whether you
have fans that come to you and tell you their
stories about what you've helped them with you saying that
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little script on stage at the end of your show
talking about Jesus, that could very well have somebody being
impacted the same way that you were impacted by his story, because,
like I mean, Mark just said it, your testimony is
important and for him to tell his and to just
hit you where you needed it, like.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
You just can't write it like.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
It's noutiful, bro, It's hitting me on a different level
because you know what you said, You're like nine, I'll ten.
When you went to that Youth America camp, my Son's.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
First one, the first one, first one which is Camp
Jackson Shoutout North north of Nashville right here.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Well that that's my son's age, and you know he
was at that concert and the same experience. This man,
what what I hear? Bro, Just in the emotion, the realness,
the authenticity, just the cry of of like your heart,
like even in Vegas, I'm like, dude, what the heck
am I doing? And then be in that place and
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just overwhelming, like that reconnection of the you know, I
think of the son who kind of tries to just
wanders off and say, hey, I've got it god like,
and I'm living in my father's house. But I'm like,
I've got it. I'm going to go on my journey.
I'm going to figure it out, and like I know
what I'm doing now, like I know, you know, I
know what I'm doing. And he just gets himself into
all the spiral like we all do. Bro, And my
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nine year old he's on his first little spiral just
of disobedience. I'm like, Judah, you know, but he was
in that same space and as different. But like I'm
just saying, like the encounter moment of the centering of
like him walking home and the father's already waiting for him.
Like I just feel like the enemy's tactic is to
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convince us that man, we're too far gone. We're too
far away with another spiral. You're a hypocrite. You you
know you're another spiral. Bro, you don't mean it this time,
another spiral.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
May I see you?
Speaker 5 (36:28):
The man that's our God is he's on the end
of the road at home, Like, what like looking is
that him? You know? And he's like and he runs,
he takes off, running towards him on the road, and bro,
like that my heart, like, what God has done for
you through that experience, for my son through that experience
is like what I see fans at your show as
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that script that has so much life in it becomes
this like ropotent end of the road moment with arms
wide open, like maybe you need to sing Creed with
arms what I was like, but look at the end
of the day, that's the feeling. I'm like, what why
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have you brought me to this place? It's that as
many people as possible could feel what I felt in
the box, Like, to me, that is better. We're talking
about like all the world, all the things of the
world is just done the scripture and the phesis three,
but like except like the things that are eternal. So
going back to your point of like the eternity lens
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like full circle, I feel like that point is was
half complete without this testimony. So Bro, I thank you
for your vulnerability and honesty of sharing it. But like that,
the potency of where you've been in the realness, Bro,
is like I've been there. Like I just Bro, I
just stopped writing music for like four years because of
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like disappointment, hurt, shame, Like the other day, Saturday, this
has hit me on different levels. Guys, I'm going to
keep it. I'm gonna keep it together. But like, yeah,
I started a song called Caught Up in Grace four
years ago and I couldn't finish it because I had
to go through the last four years of its multiple spirals,
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imposter syndrome, all of this kind of stuff to be
able to finish it on Saturday. And I look at
it now and I go, Man, the potency and the
realness of like the fact of that, Man, I am
caught up in grace swept off my feet. I don't
deserve it. And because of this realization, I'm going to
spend my time fighting in the shadow of the cross.
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And what I see in you is just this this purpose, Bro,
like this calling and this assignment that's like Jonah, Like
there's a Jonah. Like I just feel like I'm not
even gonna say I'm going to prophesy, but I might
just like let it rip. But there is there is
a city on your heart, like God has broken your
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heart for it for like a whole city of people
that they may experience that the loving arms of the Father.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
And I just we at the end we're going to
in fact, can I just pray for you right now?
I feel like God, we just lift up this man
of God. Right now. I just thank you Lord that
this is not a coincidental moment God, that this is
a journey, got you the lamp unto our feet and
a light into our path. God, I just speak right
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now a level of just release of any burden of
beating himself up, God, of feeling like he's got to
jump this bar and and reach this level God to
be worthy, to be able to come in just wrap
his arms fully around even the sun. When he was accepted,
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he said, hey, just let me kind of just serve
on the outside.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Guy.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Thank you that chases he is welcomed onto the inner part. God,
you tore the veil. There is no external, there is
no on the outside. God, there is an intimacy, there
is a love. I just pray Holy Spirit in this room, God,
that your presence would for the would be a new
authority and a new confidence and a new understanding of
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your grace and love. In Jesus' name, God, I thank
you for just the eternal perspective that you've put in
him as a as a child, the foundation of eternity
deep in his heart. God, I thank you, just as
John had a revelation, I'm the disciple in whom Jesus loves,
that he would have a deep, deep, the unconditional love
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and grace of Jesus. Pray for strength. Pray for just
like a like a fire like I just see that.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
God.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Just there's like a drenine and a fire like a fight.
But it's in the shade of the cross. It's in
your strength. It's not in just trying and striving. It's
just the shade of the cross. Lord God, thank you,
thank you for your spirit. Just feel him again, Jesus name.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Thank you man, appreciate that goodness. I'm not crying or not.
Just have a running nose.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
Really I was in sure, if you will, I was
giving you time to recover.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Up getting over it. Well, I know, I know we're
running out of time, but man, I want to say
one thing as well. Man, thank you guys so much
for having me up here. I honestly, on the way here,
I totally forgot that we were even going to be
talking about faith today, right, And like that's what's so
crazy is the Lord will come in and and just
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surprise you. And I think when you remember, you just
got to fall back on him and let him do
the talking man through you. And I think it's beautiful.
And I do want to say something. I think we
didn't get.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
To talk about this. I wanted to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Because I know again there's people that are hearing this
and that we'll hear this and see this. And I
think the one thing I struggled with in my spiral
was shame. Yeah, and that's something that's not talked about enough.
And I remember the word shame kept coming up, and
I was like, what does shame mean? And again I
use one of the evil things for good And I
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search on TikTok like shame versus about shame, and I
learned about shame and and and I like to break
things down when I'm trying to talk about scripture to people,
like shame is not of the Lord. Shame is not
of shame. Shame is not of God, right, Like being
shameful is not a lord. That is that is such
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a powerful line, but people don't understand what it means, sir,
like because because it shame is not of the Lord,
you don't just say that in your normal, everyday English sentence,
Like you don't word things like that. You don't see
THEE instead of the you know, like you know what
I mean. So I try, I try to simplify it.
So shame, Like I have a few things.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
That like I feel terrible about that.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
I've done in my life, and like I I you
know that I've never I never want to hurt other people,
and like there's always like this thing in the back
of my head, like, man, did I hurt that person's
feelings that I say that the wrong way when I
was angry?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Did I? You know? And like I feel shameful.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
About a lot of things. You know, I carry a
lot of shame. And I think that also correlates with
the imposter syndrome.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Right like you should feel bad for what you do.
Why would somebody like you?
Speaker 3 (43:08):
And that's the voice in the back of your head
that the devil trying to say, you know, hey, you're
not worthy, you know and like and I guess what
I'm trying to say here is, man, there's somebody that's
watching this. There might be multiple and I think we
all deal with shame. That feels like I'm too far gone.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
I'm shameful.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
I did something so terrible and I knew I shouldn't
have done it, and I feel like and that's maybe
what's going through your head is like, I don't know
how to forgive myself.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
I'm ashamed.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Man, Jesus died on the cross for you. I'll look
at the camera and say, there's a man named Jesus
that died on the cross for you before you were
even born. He knew your name and he knew every
hair on your head.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Right, that's not a scripture scripture is that I don't
know scripture that well?
Speaker 5 (43:54):
Bro, it's yeah, Chase twenty three, can concerned Chase twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
So yeah, But I just want to say, man, there
is there is a man that died for you and
He was sacrificed for you and and in forgiveness for
your sins. And that is something that you need to
do your own research about, and you to pray for
wisdom on and you need to you need to learn
about all that. But the shame, that feeling of shame.
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Jesus doesn't want you to feel that. Jesus doesn't want
you to feel bad for what you've done. He says,
come as you are, Come as you are. Don't matter
what you're wearing. It doesn't matter what you what you
look like. Come to the altar and repent and and
he will be there. Man, the Holy Spirit will guide you.
He will be your guiding light through the darkest times.
And I tell you what, I'd rather have Jesus's light
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than any pocket lighters zippo.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
I promise, I'm telling you what, dude.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Yeah, Mike drop.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Mike drop baby, take it off the stands.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
Like a Morgan's in the background.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Take please don't shout out Morgan. Well.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
I can't wait to talk to you again in six
months and see where you are, because the hand of
God is definitely on your life. And thank you for
that beautiful prayer mark because I think it was definitely
ordained by the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
So love you man.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Sure anybody that goes to follow me after this, just
know you're not going to see.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
A perfect person. But I'm working on it. We're all
a work in progress.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
Grace in motions.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Thank you guys for having me.
It's for Taylor, Mark Evans. Chase Matthew our guest this
week on the Upload, and man, we are going to
impact a lot of things going on in your life.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Is this really me? I feel like I don't deserve
where I'm at.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
But the shame, that feeling of shame, Jesus doesn't want
you to feel that. He will be there. Man, the
Holy Spirit will guide you. He will be your guiding
light through the darkest times.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Crazy, and I'm very excited. Tears might be shed in
this episode. You're gonna want to listen.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I cried. The world is totally flat. It is absolutely flat.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Welcome to the Upload, Chase Matthew. Is our earth is flat?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's there is, Chase Matthew.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Oh my goodness, Chase, how are you.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm good. I'm excited. I'm glad to be back seeing
you too, because.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's been I think it's been over a year since
I've seen you, which is no, it's definitely.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Been over your year.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, it's a hell, it's been it's probably been two years,
I think so, because you were out there towards like
Franklin area that I was that was the last time
I saw you.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And yeah, we talked about a whole lot of stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I think it was like right when everything was really
taken off, and it feels like we've hit a whole
nother gear here lately.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It's a really cool story.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Now you got your face on buses and all kinds
of stuff. That's all.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, you know, they gotta I just look for promo
and any opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Possible, you know. It's it's it's what you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
A lot of competition out here, and I feel like
I didn't see this before. What is this Isaiah.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Isaiah fifty four seventeen. Yeah, I did have that last time.
I don't know if we talked about it, but oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Tell me about Isaiah fifty four to seventeen. What does
that mean?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
No weapon formed against me shall prosper? You know.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I think that's just like that's in the world you
live in today. Like I think there's a lot of things,
especially when you're trying to tell the Word of God
a little bit every night, there's a lot of things
probably out to get you, and you got to make
sure that you've got the covering that you need, you know.
So yeah, that's that scripture means a lot to me.
And I quote it literally almost every day.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So I love that.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
It's a real deal. Man. It's a uh, it's a fought.
It's the flesh and blood versus the unseen world. And
you know, it's so easy to primarily focus on what
we see, feel, touch, tangible, But that's the question is
where does the supernatural meet the natural? Where do they blend, converge,
Which one's primary, which one's secondary. All these questions are
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worth talking about. I think faith is such a broad spectrum,
a broad topic, but I think one thing everyone agrees
on is it's not just this benign idea that's supposed
to sit on a shelf. I think people realize it's important.
It's like there's something maybe it's a different thing here,
a different thing there, but like, really it's so important
that we have good discussions around these kind of things,
(02:44):
like what does that look like?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So what is your first memory of a relationship or
describe your faith, like, is what is that moment where
you're like, Okay, there's something more out here?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
So I would say I grew up going to church
camp every summer most times.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Vacation Bible school.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
No, I never really did that. I you know, in
our Pentecostal church. I don't think we really had it.
I was that flavor too, bro.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Yeah, yeah, cannon snakes and kangaroos.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Man, well, no, I yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I mean I think my first memory of like filling
the Holy Spirit in a way that I've never like,
just something that was unfamiliar to me and the experience
it for the first time. It was probably church camp.
I don't remember how old I was, Man I was.
I was young though, I was probably like Man, I
was probably nine or ten and I saw this this
(03:38):
I think it was a yeah, he went to our church.
He started speaking tongues, young dude, and we're like, by
the way, if you've never see somebody speaking tongues, this
is your first time. You're freaking out right. You're like, yeah,
You're like, what is going on here? But I think
that was my first time like feeling like that them
cold chills of like whoa, like something's in the room, right,
(04:02):
And but I think my first experience was so like
in my childhood, I talked to I talked to you
about this before, Brooke, of like my story kind of
I just went to like so many different schools and
did with a little bit of bullying and stuff. And
I'm not complaining about it. I'm not trying to make
a soft store like we've all been through stuff right away.
It's what you make of it. But I think that
(04:23):
I was. I went to church camp this one year.
Our church decided to go to this place called Youth America,
Youth America and it and it's in Oklahoma City, and
so we took a bus out there, like the church
took all the kids out there and we went to
Youth America.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
An amusement park or something.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
No, it's it's a huge church camp from church. I
don't know, but it was called Hood of America. Dude,
I'm not kidding you.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I wish.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I don't think our church was able to do it
again the second year or you know, after that, so
so we never got to go back. But I don't
even know if it's a thing that's still standing. But
I say all this tell you so like I was.
I remember we had like multiple days there and I
was probably like my third day in and I was
just watching a lot of people and I was probably
like thirteen fourteen at this time. I was like seeing
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everybody else having their own experiences, and I was just
kind of like, you know, man, I was raising church
like I was raised. My grandfather was a preacher, great
grandfather was a preacher. My mom's a ministry, My whole
family's a ministry. And I'm just like, man, do I
even believe in God?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Right? Like? I was born into this, man like, I
didn't have my own experience yet. Yeah, I was going
through a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I'm like, man Like, I was always trying to make
new friends because I was bouncing between schools and I
just had a lot of struggles at that age, and
so I was kind of trying to figure out.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
What my purpose was.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Like everybody was like, you know, I'm going to go
be a doctor when I grow up, and I'm going
to go do this. And I wanted to be the
guy that wanted to raise four wheelers and write music
and play the drums. And I didn't really have a
niche yet, you know. And I think that at that age,
that's when you're trying to figure life out. And remember,
I asked God this, and this still gives me cold
(06:05):
chills to this day. I said, God, if you're real,
and I believe that you are, but God, if you're real,
what is like what is my purpose?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
What am I supposed to be doing?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And I think what I was expecting in that moment
was some sort of comfort because my aunt had just
passed away and she was a big musical inspiration.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
She actually had a Christian rock band, Christian metal.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Band, no kidding, it was called web w Ebb and
she passed away. She she once sleep didn't wake up.
She had a battle with cancer and she beat it.
But I mean, there's still anyways. I'm not going to
dabble in all that, but she was a big inspiration
to me. And I remember in that moment, I said, Lord, like,
what what am I supposed to be doing with my life?
(06:48):
And he said, You're about to find out. It was
the first time I ever heard, like the first time
I ever you know what I mean. It's not like
to people to explain to people like that haven't heard
what the voice of God sounds like. It's not an
audible voice. It's almost like a thought. It's a thought.
Yeah that like hits, but you know that it's nothing
you thought about of the blue, it's like. And so
(07:10):
he said, You're about to find out, and Yachtfo was
like something I've ran with you why at fo You're
about to find out?
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Yacht foah?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
And I would write it down on everything for like
for years, and so I always remember yachtfo and like,
no kidding. Right after that was when I started playing
like in the youth bandit church and I started like
like it was it was kind of like the turning
point for like my life and my first experience with God,
and like I started really actually having thoughts of like wow,
(07:40):
like you know, what is what does heaven look like?
Like like what is the afterlife? Because I started thinking
about that after my pass. So yeah, that was my
first experience I think with like the Holy Spirit and
like understanding that there is something bigger, you know, and
then what much more experience is after that?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
That kind of created my personal faith.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
God is so cool because Mark and I were just
talking about asking and you know, asking for a specific
answer and getting it and how if you're seeking, he'll
literally show it to you as long as you're looking
for it. And I just think that's such a cool
story of you know, and you were young, you're a teenager.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, he definitely had to throw me that little that
little because I was, you know, talk about that questioning
moment too.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
You shouldn't question God.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
But like I had that questioning moment, and I think
it was my first time we got saying, look, here's
the favor, here's here's here's my touch, here's here's my voice,
and like, don't forget it, and yachtfo man, I'm gonna
get it. I always said him.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
We get a tattooed.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I got all these tattoos and I still ain't got
that one.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
I don't know's I mean that's the yapo that is
clutch and I'm going to carry that with me because
that whole we don't get to see the whole picture.
We just get a glimpse of the promise. But the
in between, it's like it's like light into my path,
lamp into my feet, and it's like you're about to
find out is true? Every single time, if that is true,
he's a lamb in my feet, I'm a step I'm
(08:57):
about to find out. I'm I'm about to find out again.
And it's just like I love that. That's that is
a perfect articulation of what living in the tension is
all about. It's like that's actually our design. We're supposed
to live with this if we just the full picture
was revealed to us, it wouldn't be this relationship in
the same way you got intended of father and son.
(09:19):
You know, if I gave all my details to my
nine year old, it'd be terrible. It'd be it's like, hey,
my loader gains just like, that's not the point of
this father son relationship. And it's like when you understand
he doesn't understand. He's like, why I want to know?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Tell me.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I'm like, but he trusts me. Just trust me. You're
about to find out.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, it's that age of like responsibility too that comes,
you know, it talks about in the Bible too, of
like you definitely comes with age like you. There's a
there's a moment of understanding where you becoming an age
like and you've been through a few things that you
understand why things happen the way they do, and like,
I think that that was definitely a big turn of
moment for me. So yeah, I mean, like you said,
the father and son thing is is definitely a great
(09:57):
reference because when you're young, you're always asking your dad, Hey, man,
like so why why but why you know? But oh,
so you know, why do the wheels turn on the car.
But why, like you know, and you do a lot
of but why with God? And I think when he
when he comes down and puts his hand out like that,
you know, it's something you remember forever.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
You said something earlier about you know, asking and like
trying to figure out what heaven looks like, what what
do you think heaven looks?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Like? Oh my God? Okay, so can we talk about
this for a second.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, So I saw this video two nights ago and
it kind of like scared the crap out of me, right,
Like when you guys think about like the grace that
God has, right, like the great like we know it
it's so huge, right, it's it's it's amazing and it's unfathomable,
but we don't know how much it really does cover.
(10:43):
And so here's what this video was. This woman and
she was trying to explain to her I think it
may have been her boyfriend or husband or something. She
was like, I just had this dream and God was
walking Jesus was walking me, not God, but Jesus was
walking me through heaven or she thought it was heaven.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But she's like, I don't know what it was, but
it was so beautiful. She said, all these.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Angels were dancing and singing, and then he walked me
to the darkness and she's like, I'm telling you, it's
nothing you She was like trying to profusely like like
tell him like it's I can't explain my God, I
can't explain it. And he was trying to calm her down,
and she's like, he, in that moment, you should have
just let her keep going because like I've been in
that moment before and not not about like seeing heaven.
(11:28):
I've never been that lucky, which you know, the Lord
knows I probably need that scare for sure, so go
to the But uh, it was it was a video
that I remember. I mean I went to bed two
nights ago and I was like, wow, like that experience
has got to be something that you.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's a it would be a blessing.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I think to experience something like that, it would put
the fear of God in you for sure when you
go see the darkness side of it. But I mean,
I've I think, like thinking about like the afterlife in
heaven and like all of that. People have their a
lot of people people that don't really know the gospel.
And I think even people that do know, the Gospel
have their own idea of what the afterlife looks like.
(12:07):
I think for me, it's like heaven is a place
that goes beyond explanation. It's beyond like understanding of the
human mind, because what we know here, you know. But
for me, what I could imagine it's like is just
such a rejoiceful moment, you know, like something where we
don't think about what we're thinking about right now, Like
(12:27):
there's not even a conversation, like it's just it's just
something so beautiful, like something so perfect that you can't
explain what perfect looks like.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I don't. I don't know if that's what your question.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Well, for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
There was this video though, in viral sometime this year,
and it was this little boy who was coming out
of anesthesia and he was like.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I saw it, and he's like Jesus, don't leave. And he's,
oh my god, I cried.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
No seriously, like started son in mind, and.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
He just kept saying, You're so beautiful, You're so beautiful.
And I was just like chillbums crying, and I'm like, Gottie.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Did you read the yeah so much.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Like passed away so recently. Yeah, And he would like
he was oh my God.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Or something.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I think it was Casein, but yeah, just just describing
he was he was trying to like describe but the
word he just kept saying beautiful. And it's just kind
of like what you're saying, where it's those moments where
we're not going to be able to describe it because
it's just like we've never seen it before.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Can you believe that there's people out there that think
that that video is a hoax? You cannot make that
stuff up, man, You can't. You can't make that stuff up. Man,
There's no there's not enough morphine in the world to
make you have a dream like that.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
It's just like the spirit behind it, like if you're
sensitive to like, yeah, the spirit is authentic, it's real.
It's like that's what got me. Wasn't just like the
narrative of it, because any narrative can be faked, but
it's like the spirit of it. I was like, he's
really having this experience, Like yeah, and then that's like
two forever to have that moment with Jesus but also
(14:03):
with his dad and for his mum to share in that.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I dude, that just yes, as a parent, that'll wreck.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Yeah, yeah, and it's just so cool to like, I
think it hits hard, and I know how you feel
about this, but I think it hits hard for me
because every time I every time I get like weird
or like frustrated or weary or that, like it's I'm
focusing too much on just the immediate and now they're
looking down to my feet, like what's going on the natural?
(14:29):
But like, I find that the focus on eternity, like
my consciousness, even what we're talking about right now, it's
like pulls me above all, like the things I think
really matter here and I'm frustrated with and an annoyment.
I feel like the eternal perspective. Yeah, let's just say,
I with all my heart believe this is absolutely true.
(14:50):
Like you can search, you can pretend, you can deny,
but at the end of the day, if you flip
over enough stones, you will find that there is an eternity,
there is a God in heaven who loves you so much,
and there is an afterlife. Yeah, the thing is living
with the eternal perspective. A lot of people who believe
in Jesus but don't live through the lens of eternity.
(15:11):
How have you found the lens of eternity, because that's
what I feel like. The is the thing here to
mine out and to sit with. Is what have you found?
Just the eternity has brought you from perspective, from encouragement,
from like even just wrestling some of the hard, tricky
stuff with it.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Well, the thought of eternity for me probably gives me
an asthma attack.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
But I think it's kind.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Of funny you bring that up, because I was thinking
about that the other day, like you said, and like
you were just saying, there's a lot of issues in
our day to day life, right, and when you think
about the aspect of eternity, for me at least, when
I think about the aspect of eternity, all that little
stuff doesn't matter anymore. Like the thought of eternity though
it's so hard to comprehend though too, because like you know,
I've only been on this world twenty seven years, so
(15:58):
like to think for eternity in spirit, like it's kind
of a crazy thought. Honestly, I should be thinking about
that more often, you know. I fall short so much
man this. I don't want to be caught up in
a situation where I gotta face God and not have repentance,
you know what I mean. So yeah, I mean I
think the thought of eternity is a scary thought. And seriously,
(16:20):
I mean I think like sometimes I end up in
this position in my brain where I'm like, oh, Lord,
like I hope I'm right when I hope I'm right
with God when that moment comes.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
You know, man, Well, isn't it just so awesome though,
that we serve such a kind God that He's going
to meet you where you're at, no matter what, you
can fall short today or tomorrow, and He's still gonna
love you.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
It's really it's And I think back to what you
were saying a second ago about real, Like the word
real that holds such a weight for me at least,
like I've seen.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I think in this world we've got like.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Social media and stuff, you know, people are kind of
like everybody's recognizing that so many things are not real anymore.
Like when there's so many things you can don't you
don't know what is real anymore. And like I'm started
to notice I think you guys probably have too. There's
like a huge shift lately I've seen where a lot
of people are turning their lives over to the Lord,
and like, I feel like it's honest. I feel like
(17:15):
it's real, and I think people are chasing something that's real,
and this is the only.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Thing you can find that is real. So the only thing.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I mean, there's not a religion out there that that
stands and lines up with every single thing, every struggle.
Anytime you call on the Lord, he will be there,
like you feel it, man, and it's it's real. It's
the Holy Spirit's real. And uh like like that's I
just wanted to touch on the real thing.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Well, And I love that you brought that up because
I feel like so many people nowadays use this as
a god with a lower case G, right, like they
turn this into an idle And it's just like once
you lay that down and you know, to say, blow
up your.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Phone, dude, the amount of times I've been on the
edge every time and like looking it up, having my
cot and I'm like, dude, I need to do this,
but no, it's it's true. It's like that becomes the
center of my perception, perspective, the lens, you know, everything
like that. But one of the things I do think
is and partly maybe this is worth just exploring and
(18:12):
even considering. I think that right now what we're seeing
is a turn to awareness of God more than ever
is because our access to flip over, because if you knock,
the door will be open, and if you seek, you
will find. I think when we don't want to know
if God's real and we kind of like, yeah, look
it's just too much right now, that we don't that's fair,
(18:33):
then we don't knock and we don't seek in, and
we don't find. But I think right now we have
such an easy access to like seeing that boy, that
young boy having that encounter, and then it leads us
to this next and we go down this pathway. It's
easy to flip over stones in terms of like, well
is it real? What is and figure this out for
and put on this podcast and work it all out.
So I think there is a good side to this
(18:56):
search that gives us a conduit to find truth because
it's actually also obvious to see what's not real. I
think we're more sensitive now to see what's fake what's
not real, than we ever have been as well.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I mean, we're we're questioning things as as humans, especially
with cell phones, we're questioning what is real?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
More than ever now.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I think also like take what you were saying with
the like how accessible it is to see testimonies like
that young kid. There's also like like well, I mean
you said it the pipeline right, the rabbit hole of
like curiosity, Like we're seeing everybody else's payoff with with
the Lord and it's grabbing the attention of many other people.
I mean it's almost like like it's like, what's the scripture?
(19:37):
It says God can take evil things and turn them
for good. I mean like you could say that this
is evil.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I mean you could.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
I could definitely give you many references on why this
phone is evil totally, but he could take evil things
and turn them for good. And like he's taking the
environment of social media and showing his hand, you know,
like I think it's so cool.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Well, I think that kind of plays really into you
as an artist, because some people can use their gift
for you know, evil or do self right. They become
the idol, They become the thing that people are worshiping.
Have you ever in your career, I mean I know
it's we're just on the rise, but so far in
(20:18):
your career, have you ever wrestled between like your identity
in Christ and your identity as an artist as Chase Matthew.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Absolutely, I think I've also dealt with halving to humble myself,
you know, or being humbled by God. I've had, I
think lately, you know. And I understand we're on a
faith based podcast, right like this is, this is, which
is beautiful and like, but I'm the least perfect person.
I mean, I mean, I think we all are, but
(20:46):
like I'm one of those people that I beat myself
up for my sins a lot, you know. And I
guess what I'm trying to say here is like, yeah,
I think I've had some identity times.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Before where I'm like, is this really me? You know.
I think a lot of times too, with my.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Career, I feel like I don't deserve where I'm at,
you know, I don't deserve these blessings, Like I'm not worthy,
Like I'm not you know, I'm like, Lord, why did
you pick me?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Like because I see a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Change up in my life that kind of make me
feel like man, you know, like he doesn't deserve that,
you know. But I've also realized that regardless of how
I got here and regardless of how bad I wanted it.
God obviously had a plan and wrote it out with
me and put me here.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
So my job is to make.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Sure that I tell people about how I got here,
and that's always been Jesus. It's nothing I could have
done for myself. And that's something I say every night
on stage, is there's nothing I could have done for myself,
and nothing anybody else could have done for me to
put me on a stage like this. It was always Jesus,
it was always God, it was always the Holy Spirit.
I can't take any glory for this. It's all glory
(21:52):
to be to God. And like you were saying, I
think with a lot of artists, you know, using our
platform for for a stage is not something that a
lot of artists do. But I'm seeing a lot more
artists do. And I'm seeing people like Bailey Zimmerman, Jelly Roll,
the Brandon Lake collab.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I know that's controversial.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I love it. I absolutely love it. I know Jelly
very well. I met Brandon Lake at CRS Believers. Man,
what a cool guy, What a what a anointed person?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Like?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Such an anointed person. And you know, when you I
think in the in that CCM world too, I think
there's a that's again another weird place to be right.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
You never really know.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Where people's hearts are actually at, or if they're in
it for the money or or you know. I think
that Brandon Lake, with him blowing up the way he has,
he's absolutely shed light on the most proper and right
things to do. And I think it's just I just
think it's beautiful, Amanda, to use your use your platform
for good.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I also want to speak to you really quick, just
as a friend, Yeah, saying that you feeling that you're
not worthy. Jesus sat with the sinners. Yeah, look at
the disciples. Okay, we every single day, every single one
of us fall short. And whether that's how you fall short,
I fall short in a different way, Mark falls short
in a different way. The fact that you can stand
(23:08):
up on stage in front of twenty thousand people and
say it's not about the music, it's about the message
that is important. So don't sell yourself short and think
that you're not worthy of that. Because if God can
take you, know, he could take the least of these,
you know what I mean? And he and he's after
your heart, and he has your heart, and we're gonna
(23:30):
make mistakes each day, but you don't ever not feel
worthy because God can use literally anybody, and the fact
that you're not afraid to say his name.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Yeah, it's so cool.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Thank you, thank you so much. Yeah, yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
You can't deny it, like you say, when you have
an experience like Youth America, when you have an experience
and you see the things that you've seen like and
you feel the things you felt and your answered prayers,
you definitely can't deny it.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
And I think that there's so many people lost in
this world.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
They're still looking for what's real on that side of
that side of that algorithm on social media, that they
don't know what's real.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
And if you can give them something real, they'll feel it,
you know.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
And it's not my job to make it feel real.
It's my job to just tell you what I know
is real. And the Holy spirital to the rest.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
I love the moment in the Bible where Jesus calls
two of his disciples and he calls them they were
known as the sons of Thunder, and they got that
reputation just because they're a little bit wild. And for me,
that was me growing up. I had this part of
me that was like really good love people. It also
(24:34):
could like bash an Egyptians heading with a rock on
a bad day.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
That's Moses.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Don't say that is not a confession.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
That was Moses in the Yeah, we got them. But
it's like a lot of the people that God used
were dangerous, wild, like dangerous in a good and a
bad way. David, you know you can go through Samson like,
but it's just like for me, We've never deserved it.
(25:05):
We never will deserve it. Like, dude, I'm a pastor.
I don't deserve to be a pastor. Like that's the truth, like,
and to say otherwise it is just crazy. In fact,
the gospel is that I would be saved by grace
through faith. And when you stand up there and I
stand up there, and it's like and we're just having
(25:25):
these conversations of this is the truth, but I don't
deserve any of this. It is literally by grace through
faith in our testimony. And then what as a Bible say.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Bible says, you overcome the power of the enemy through
the blood of Jesus and the power of your testimony.
And so man, I stand up there every time every
Sunday and I'm like, dude, imposter syndrome is it's real,
so real. But guess what, that's not God's voice. That
the accuser of you and I. That is God's volt.
(25:57):
That is the enemy's voice. God's voice is a voice
of grace, of love. It says, yeah, he is the
one that petitions God the throne on our behalf. He's
our So man, I love it. That is the right posture.
It's it's honest, it's real. I just don't think like
(26:18):
I feel for you, bro about like I beat myself
up too. Yeah, And I'm like and I'm like, dude,
don't do that. I'm like, bang on, yeah, you know
what I mean. I'm just sitting in front of a
mirror right now, and I just say.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
It's so funny you have all those references because that's
what I say, like I kind of have. I mean,
I'm gonna be honest, it's kind of a I don't
want to say it's a script, but it's it's a
very meaningful message, and I want to make sure I
get it right every night. So I kind of say
the same sort of thing. But I always say, like, y'all,
like there's a lot of y'all that came through these
gates tonight. And you beat yourself up. I say that.
(26:48):
I say you beat yourself up sometimes you get you
get up in the morning and you look in the mirror,
like you said again a reference, and you look in
the mirror and you beat yourself up because you feel
like you're not where.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
You want to be in your life.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Give it to the Lord. Trust God to put you
where you're supposed to be. Believe in yourself, chase your dreams.
You've got a purpose for your life, and He'll put
you right where you're supposed to be. And that's like,
that's like my drive and that's my driveward. That's like
the Center's prayer, the Repetitive Suitors prayer, right, Like it's
like that's.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
My show ending every night, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
And and like I said, all Glory be to God,
and that's like that's the best way to end my show. Lately,
we've been playing a Forest Frank song like the headline
stuff on the walk out, like I'll wish one God. Yeah,
that song is I love it. Did y'all go to
the bridge Stone show here in town?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
I did not know my we did, and my nine
year old son was there. That was his first ever.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
You love it.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
I'm telling you standing on the chair, we had like
right sent a section second row.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, he's just like, oh dude, it was jumping right there.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
It was jumping. Ye. He's nine and he's little, like
he went home. He got a forest frank haircot.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
He and he's still making a music from bed working.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Cay slow him down, they slow him down. I respect it.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
God will use it, man, But look that that just
even what he's doing in the example of like God,
it's just happening. It's so cool to see that there's
these leaders and voices and there's a there's a what
I would call like a clarion call, like people like
there's this clarion call of like hey, it's it's okay.
(28:31):
It's not even okay or like permission, but it's like, man,
there is just this can I say positive peer pressure
towards authenticity and realness is like there is like something
and that's just that's just dope to see, like just
to see God getting the credit in places like that
he should, So I love it.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
I think on that note, I want to share something
with you guys because I have like this this story
to tell you, and the only reason I want to
share it is because there's like I think there's somebody
that's probably ben end.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Up seeing that that is battling that. How do I
say this? Man, they're battling. They're they're battling, period.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
They're battling following what's right and doing what they know
is right for themselves. I was in Las Vegas, you
know what, Let's bring it back even further than that.
Since the last time I me and you saw each other,
and probably since me and you saw each other on
separate occasions from then, I have like I kind of
went through this time where I just like spiraled and
(29:29):
I just went down the opposite direction of the toilet
right down under. Yeah, man, I kind of just lost myself.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Man. And like I I'd never like like.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
The anxiety, right the word anxiety, Like I kind of
was raised in a household were like man, man, mind
ever matter, bro, Like that's not a thing. And I
never had I guess I have my own experiences, and
I didn't understand what it was going on. And so
I tried to like depend on even a therapist, like
(30:02):
my dad was kind of like not really for the
therapist thing. But I went and got a therapist and
it was good. I mean, he helped helped me with
some things mentally. But I found myself in a position
where I was in Vegas a few months ago, and
(30:22):
again I was kind of just not living my life
for the Lord like I originally had had been doing.
You know, this, this whole music thing got a kick start,
I feel like because the Lord was giving me favor
and I didn't feel his favor anymore. And I and
I knew that I was not doing the right thing.
And a few months before that day in Vegas, my
(30:42):
booking agent, Alec had hit me up and he was like, hey, man,
Forrest Frank's coming to Nashville.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Do you want to go?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
You know, UTA's got a box up there. We can
get you in if you want to go. I said, yeah, man,
give me two tickets. I'll I'll find somebody to go
with me. And my plan was, I'm gonna find me
a woman loves Jesus and this is gonna be my
pickup line.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
You want to go to a forest Front concert with me?
Guess what? Didn't find nobody.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
So still working on finding that person. But uh so
I'm in Vegas, and I had an opportunity. I have
a lot of friends there, and like, I had an
opportunity to either stay in Vegas do some very recreational
things that I shouldn't do, or stick with my plan
and go see the Forest Frank concert that Sunday night.
We had a show in Vegas, so that's why we
(31:27):
were out there. And I was like, Okay, I'm gonna
stay in Vegas. I'm just gonna do it. Let's just
stay in Vegas. Like, I don't got anybody to go
to the Control with me. I don't want to look
like a doork walking in there, Like Lord knows, I'm
a sinner. My pastor sees me walking in there, and
I don't got somebody with me. He's gonna try to
talk to me all day, and I'm worried about it.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I don't I don't wanna. I don't want to feel
the conviction that night, you know what I mean? Like
and uh real, I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Really remember the exact chain of events, but I decided
I was gonna go. I decided I was gonna go
back to Nashville, and I'm so glad I did, because
I was in this spiraling moment where I didn't know
who I was. I didn't know who Jesus was anymore.
I had that confusion. I was stuck in my phone
trying to figure out what's real, and I hadn't felt
the Holy Spirit. And I don't know how long, man,
(32:11):
I went to that Forest frank concert and I literally
found Jesus again.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I was sitting in.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
That box and I'm not embarrassed, but I tell you what, man,
my team knows me. I cuts like a sailor. I'm
so imperfect. They saw me cry like a little baby.
I mean, he hit that moment in his show where
I believe it's his Is it his grandfather? That's like,
who's his grandfather? He's like a pretty profound preacher, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
I don't know exactly the story, but he tells the
testimony of that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Well he told his testimony and he was like, you know,
I was. It was literally my story. It was my
story minus the part where he went to college because
I dropped out of high school. But like that's kind
of like in a way that it reflects in the
same way as my story. And so yeah, man, I
found such a feeling there that was just I can't
(33:02):
explain it, man.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
It uh.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
It brought me back, though. It brought me back to
like a to that young Chase in a youth America.
It brought me back to that moment of like, you
got a purpose for your life, man, and you're abusing
it and and and and he like, in a moment,
I saw the glimpse of that favor again and I
was like.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
That's what it's about. It's not just a script.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
That you're reading off stage every night, Chase, Like you
got to say it and mean it from your heart.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
It's where your heart is. And it brought me back, man.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I think that night I left and I ended up
running into one of my friends there and she ended
up riding back with me that night, and we just
talked about like like so many like it was just
I could go on and on about it. I would
fly if I had, If I had, if I had
to fly to Australia to go see Forest Frank again
and I had a day off, I would do it.
(33:51):
I would love to experience that concert every single night
from here on out. And and again, I don't say
any of this for I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I'm not trying to get through the forest front. I'm
just I'm telling you that guy's annoying. And if you're
dealing with something and you want to resonate through music
with the Holy Spirit, go see that.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Go see that show.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I love that you, as an artist had this experience
at a show as a fan. As a fan, I
think it's so cool for you to see that lens
of like the impact that being on that stage has,
because whether you see it or not, or whether you
have fans that come to you and tell you their
stories about what you've helped them with you saying that
(34:30):
little script on stage at the end of your show
talking about Jesus, that could very well have somebody being
impacted the same way that you were impacted by his story, because,
like I mean, Mark just said it, your testimony is
important and for him to tell his and to just
hit you where you needed it, like.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
You just can't write it like.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
It's noutiful, bro, It's hitting me on a different level
because you know what you said, You're like nine, I'll ten.
When you went to that Youth America camp, my Son's.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
First one, the first one, first one which is Camp
Jackson Shoutout North north of Nashville right here.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Well that that's my son's age, and you know he
was at that concert and the same experience. This man,
what what I hear? Bro, Just in the emotion, the realness,
the authenticity, just the cry of of like your heart,
like even in Vegas, I'm like, dude, what the heck
am I doing? And then be in that place and
(35:30):
just overwhelming, like that reconnection of the you know, I
think of the son who kind of tries to just
wanders off and say, hey, I've got it god like,
and I'm living in my father's house. But I'm like,
I've got it. I'm going to go on my journey.
I'm going to figure it out, and like I know
what I'm doing now, like I know, you know, I
know what I'm doing. And he just gets himself into
all the spiral like we all do. Bro, And my
(35:54):
nine year old he's on his first little spiral just
of disobedience. I'm like, Judah, you know, but he was
in that same space and as different. But like I'm
just saying, like the encounter moment of the centering of
like him walking home and the father's already waiting for him.
Like I just feel like the enemy's tactic is to
(36:16):
convince us that man, we're too far gone. We're too
far away with another spiral. You're a hypocrite. You you
know you're another spiral. Bro, you don't mean it this time,
another spiral.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
May I see you?
Speaker 5 (36:28):
The man that's our God is he's on the end
of the road at home, Like, what like looking is
that him? You know? And he's like and he runs,
he takes off, running towards him on the road, and bro,
like that my heart, like, what God has done for
you through that experience, for my son through that experience
is like what I see fans at your show as
(36:51):
that script that has so much life in it becomes
this like ropotent end of the road moment with arms
wide open, like maybe you need to sing Creed with
arms what I was like, but look at the end
of the day, that's the feeling. I'm like, what why
(37:12):
have you brought me to this place? It's that as
many people as possible could feel what I felt in
the box, Like, to me, that is better. We're talking
about like all the world, all the things of the
world is just done the scripture and the phesis three,
but like except like the things that are eternal. So
going back to your point of like the eternity lens
(37:33):
like full circle, I feel like that point is was
half complete without this testimony. So Bro, I thank you
for your vulnerability and honesty of sharing it. But like that,
the potency of where you've been in the realness, Bro,
is like I've been there. Like I just Bro, I
just stopped writing music for like four years because of
(37:53):
like disappointment, hurt, shame, Like the other day, Saturday, this
has hit me on different levels. Guys, I'm going to
keep it. I'm gonna keep it together. But like, yeah,
I started a song called Caught Up in Grace four
years ago and I couldn't finish it because I had
to go through the last four years of its multiple spirals,
(38:14):
imposter syndrome, all of this kind of stuff to be
able to finish it on Saturday. And I look at
it now and I go, Man, the potency and the
realness of like the fact of that, Man, I am
caught up in grace swept off my feet. I don't
deserve it. And because of this realization, I'm going to
spend my time fighting in the shadow of the cross.
(38:35):
And what I see in you is just this this purpose, Bro,
like this calling and this assignment that's like Jonah, Like
there's a Jonah. Like I just feel like I'm not
even gonna say I'm going to prophesy, but I might
just like let it rip. But there is there is
a city on your heart, like God has broken your
(38:58):
heart for it for like a whole city of people
that they may experience that the loving arms of the Father.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
And I just we at the end we're going to
in fact, can I just pray for you right now?
I feel like God, we just lift up this man
of God. Right now. I just thank you Lord that
this is not a coincidental moment God, that this is
a journey, got you the lamp unto our feet and
a light into our path. God, I just speak right
(39:26):
now a level of just release of any burden of
beating himself up, God, of feeling like he's got to
jump this bar and and reach this level God to
be worthy, to be able to come in just wrap
his arms fully around even the sun. When he was accepted,
(39:47):
he said, hey, just let me kind of just serve
on the outside.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Guy.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Thank you that chases he is welcomed onto the inner part. God,
you tore the veil. There is no external, there is
no on the outside. God, there is an intimacy, there
is a love. I just pray Holy Spirit in this room, God,
that your presence would for the would be a new
authority and a new confidence and a new understanding of
(40:11):
your grace and love. In Jesus' name, God, I thank
you for just the eternal perspective that you've put in
him as a as a child, the foundation of eternity
deep in his heart. God, I thank you, just as
John had a revelation, I'm the disciple in whom Jesus loves,
that he would have a deep, deep, the unconditional love
(40:35):
and grace of Jesus. Pray for strength. Pray for just
like a like a fire like I just see that.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
God.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Just there's like a drenine and a fire like a fight.
But it's in the shade of the cross. It's in
your strength. It's not in just trying and striving. It's
just the shade of the cross. Lord God, thank you,
thank you for your spirit. Just feel him again, Jesus name.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Thank you man, appreciate that goodness. I'm not crying or not.
Just have a running nose.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
Really I was in sure, if you will, I was
giving you time to recover.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Up getting over it. Well, I know, I know we're
running out of time, but man, I want to say
one thing as well. Man, thank you guys so much
for having me up here. I honestly, on the way here,
I totally forgot that we were even going to be
talking about faith today, right, And like that's what's so
crazy is the Lord will come in and and just
(41:31):
surprise you. And I think when you remember, you just
got to fall back on him and let him do
the talking man through you. And I think it's beautiful.
And I do want to say something. I think we
didn't get.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
To talk about this. I wanted to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Because I know again there's people that are hearing this
and that we'll hear this and see this. And I
think the one thing I struggled with in my spiral
was shame. Yeah, and that's something that's not talked about enough.
And I remember the word shame kept coming up, and
I was like, what does shame mean? And again I
use one of the evil things for good And I
(42:05):
search on TikTok like shame versus about shame, and I
learned about shame and and and I like to break
things down when I'm trying to talk about scripture to people,
like shame is not of the Lord. Shame is not
of shame. Shame is not of God, right, Like being
shameful is not a lord. That is that is such
(42:26):
a powerful line, but people don't understand what it means, sir,
like because because it shame is not of the Lord,
you don't just say that in your normal, everyday English sentence,
Like you don't word things like that. You don't see
THEE instead of the you know, like you know what
I mean. So I try, I try to simplify it.
So shame, Like I have a few things.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
That like I feel terrible about that.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
I've done in my life, and like I I you
know that I've never I never want to hurt other people,
and like there's always like this thing in the back
of my head, like, man, did I hurt that person's
feelings that I say that the wrong way when I
was angry?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Did I? You know? And like I feel shameful.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
About a lot of things. You know, I carry a
lot of shame. And I think that also correlates with
the imposter syndrome.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Right like you should feel bad for what you do.
Why would somebody like you?
Speaker 3 (43:08):
And that's the voice in the back of your head
that the devil trying to say, you know, hey, you're
not worthy, you know and like and I guess what
I'm trying to say here is, man, there's somebody that's
watching this. There might be multiple and I think we
all deal with shame. That feels like I'm too far gone.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
I'm shameful.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
I did something so terrible and I knew I shouldn't
have done it, and I feel like and that's maybe
what's going through your head is like, I don't know
how to forgive myself.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
I'm ashamed.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Man, Jesus died on the cross for you. I'll look
at the camera and say, there's a man named Jesus
that died on the cross for you before you were
even born. He knew your name and he knew every
hair on your head.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Right, that's not a scripture scripture is that I don't
know scripture that well?
Speaker 5 (43:54):
Bro, it's yeah, Chase twenty three, can concerned Chase twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
So yeah, But I just want to say, man, there
is there is a man that died for you and
He was sacrificed for you and and in forgiveness for
your sins. And that is something that you need to
do your own research about, and you to pray for
wisdom on and you need to you need to learn
about all that. But the shame, that feeling of shame.
(44:21):
Jesus doesn't want you to feel that. Jesus doesn't want
you to feel bad for what you've done. He says,
come as you are, Come as you are. Don't matter
what you're wearing. It doesn't matter what you what you
look like. Come to the altar and repent and and
he will be there. Man, the Holy Spirit will guide you.
He will be your guiding light through the darkest times.
And I tell you what, I'd rather have Jesus's light
(44:43):
than any pocket lighters zippo.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
I promise, I'm telling you what, dude.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Yeah, Mike drop.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Mike drop baby, take it off the stands.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
Like a Morgan's in the background.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Take please don't shout out Morgan. Well.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
I can't wait to talk to you again in six
months and see where you are, because the hand of
God is definitely on your life. And thank you for
that beautiful prayer mark because I think it was definitely
ordained by the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
So love you man.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Sure anybody that goes to follow me after this, just
know you're not going to see.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
A perfect person. But I'm working on it. We're all
a work in progress.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
Grace in motions.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Thank you guys for having me.
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