May 2, 2025 • 16 mins
Leaving a trauma bonding relationship can feel incredibly difficult, but it is possible. In this video, we’ll explore what trauma bonding is, how it impacts your mental and emotional well-being, and, most importantly, how to break free from it. If you’ve been struggling with a toxic or abusive relationship, you're not alone.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There are good parts of the relationship. It's not all
bad like what you and I both experience. It was
good at the beginning and then it just got progressively worse.
There was no getting better. So in a situation like that,
it's easier to break that, depending on your situation, than
a trauma bonded relationship, because trauma bonding has intermittance of
(00:21):
love affection chemistry followed by the cycle of abuse, which
throws the victim off, and then the abuse happens, and
then that pieces of love and affection actually happen again,
and this cycle repeats itself over and over and over,
so the victim is left feeling very off balanced, not
knowing if the good person is really the good person
(00:44):
and the bad person is you know, somebody that can
be helped. So they're always trying to figure out how
to get that good person back because it is filtered
with good, bad, horrible, back to good.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Welcome to the Victim to Warriors Show.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Warrior Talk, where John and Melissa and we are survivors
of narcissistic abuse and our mission is to help other
survivors reclaim and rebuild their lives.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Right now today, we're going to talk about an incredibly
serious type of abuse called trauma bonding and what does
it look like, what does it mean? What does it
look like? And if we're in a trauma bonded relationship,
how do we get out? So, Melissa our expert, what
is trauma bonding and how is it different from other
types of abuse?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Well, trauma bonding is there are good parts of the relationship.
It's not all bad like what you and I both experience.
It was good at the beginning and then it just
got progressively worse. There was no getting better. So in
a situation like that, it's easier to break that. Depending
(01:59):
on your situation, then a trauma bonded relationship because trauma
bonding has intermittance of love affection, you know, it could
be chemistry followed by the cycle of abuse which throws
the victim off, and then the abuse happens, and then
that pieces of love and affection actually happen again, and
(02:21):
the cycle repeats itself over and over and over, so
the victim is left feeling very off balanced, not knowing
if the good person is really the good person and
the bad person is you know, somebody that can be helped.
So they're always trying to figure out how to get
that good person back because it is filtered with good, bad, horrible,
(02:43):
back to good.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Okay, So it creates kind of a cycle. Yes, now
after the abuse, promises could be made. Oh yeah, that's assurances.
Hey I'm going to go we'll go to counseling, I'll
start going back to church, or or I won't, I'll
stop doing that. I promise things will be different this time.
So it's kind of creating.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
And I believe that. You do want to believe that
because of how it made you feel when it was happening,
when that initial intense chemistry love bombing took place, you
want to go back to that. So that is why
it's so difficult. If it was just all bad, progressively worse,
(03:24):
you're so desperate to leave, You're just trying to figure
out how to A trauma bonded person doesn't necessarily want
to lead. They know something's wrong, they know the relationship
is bad, they know there is something seriously wrong with
this cycle. They just don't know what it is and
they don't know how, And some people may not even
realize they're trauma bonding.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Right, So let's talk about that. Let's talk about the realizations.
So what does it look like if we're inside of
this cycle, this trauma bonding.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well, I'm going to talk about some things that are
really important and these are signs that you can look
for in your own relationship. Or maybe if you have
a loved one and you're watching from the out into
this relationship and you know something's very wrong. One the
cycle of abuse. We just talked about that.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Well, first of all, this document.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh, yeah, we're going to give you a copy of
the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
We're going to give you a copy of this, so
don't worry about, you know, trying to write things down
or we're going to put it in the show notes below. Yeah,
so we'll put the link there for you and you
can get your copy. It's your own copyright, and.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Definitely go through it. The power imbalance, obviously they're the victim,
may be hesitant to leave because of maybe they are
the stay at home mom. Maybe that it is financial control.
So that is similar to potentially a narcissistic abuse to relationship.
But the showering of love and affection after a huge
(04:46):
cycle of abuse is where the victim falls off is
out balance, not being able to leave. Maybe you don't
want to leave. You know it's bad for you, You
know the relationship is causing a lot of stress and
frick in your life, but you just may not be
ready to leave yet. Making excuse for their behavior.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Oh we've all, yes, and we've done that in our
own of revis war ships, but trying to justify their
abusive behavior to maybe somebody that's looking in and maybe
questioning what's going on here, And you don't want them
to know, because if they know, you might have to
do something about it, and you may not mentally be
(05:28):
prepared to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Break yet you keep the abusive secret delight to people.
Wanting to please the abuser. You're so desperate for those
intermittent cycles of love and affection that you will do
anything to get that back. It's like your Russia dopamine,
that cycle of abuse where you're feeling horrible about yourself.
(05:49):
You're just kicked down as low as you could go,
and then your abuser comes in with maybe a rose
or you know, a promise, yes, a promise that they're
not undoubtedly going to break, So trying to please them
over and over and over again to get that little
breadcrumb of love and affection distancing people who are trying
to help you fix.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, and we're going to talk about that just a
little bit further on in and oh yeah, how if
you're on the outside and you have a loved one,
family member, whatever, that is being trauma bonded and you're desperate, right, Well,
we're gonna talk a little bit about that in just
a minute.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So fixating on the good days, your brain is going
to go into survival mode during the cycles of abuse
and tension. So your brain is going to go back
to those good days and in your mind, even though
those good days are now getting further and further and
further apart, your brain is going to go back and say,
(06:45):
but remember, we did have a good time when we
went on this trip. It wasn't so bad. During your
brain is basically trying to trick you into staying and
trick you into believing it's not that bad. This is
one of the most dangerous body relationship that you can
be in.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
You know, because our human brain allows us to forget pain,
physical pain, emotional pain. Over time, we kind of forget
about the severity of it. And so I think that
that falls right into this site. All yeah, as we
forget about the bad times, and we only fixate on
the good time.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Right, and that making excuses for their behavior. You're making
excuses to yourself as well as others you're hoping to
change though Oh my gosh, Yes, you can't change anybody
who doesn't want to be changed. You can't change anybody
who doesn't think they need changing, right, So this is
something that you could be changing your tail trying to
(07:39):
change them. It is an endless cycle and it will
leave you nothing but heartache and you know, frustration and
literally just working yourself into a frenzy, exhausting yourself trying
to change that person back to that those little qualms
of affection, wanting loved despite the abews, that's a big
(08:02):
one because the love generally and that chemistry is intense.
It's a shock wave of it and then it's jerked
away from you, followed by longer periods of abuse. You
desperately want that, so you're willing to put up with
just about anything to get that. You're desperate for that
to return. That right there is probably when I talk
(08:25):
to my clients who I could pretty much tell when
they're trauma bought it when I start asking them specifics
about their relationship. They always want to start by, well,
it wasn't always this bad, or you know, it's not
always terrible. If you have to say that to somebody,
there's something seriously wrong with that relationship. Because a relationship,
(08:47):
no one's perfect. No, no relationship is perfect. You're gonna
have your ups and downs, but your partners, your partners
that you care about each other. A partner that is
going to beat you down to the point where you
are nothing. Basically you feel like you are worthless, and
then grabs you up for that little crumb of happiness
which just thrills you, only to be thrown to the
(09:09):
floor again when you have to try to cover that
up and make excuses for it. You are in a
trauma bonded relationship.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
So if you feel like you are in one but
you're just not sure, get this document. Just go down
below and click on it and you'll receive this document and.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It's very difficult to leave. We're not going to try
to tell you that this is easy. We're going to
try to tell you that it's almost impossible to do
it on your right.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
So let's talk about that. If someone gets this document
that go through it and they're like, you know what,
John and Wilissa, I really feel like I'm being trauma bonded.
I really feel like it people have told me, or
I've been in this situation for a while now it's
not getting better.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
This describes the entire life relationships.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
So how would somebody get out of a trauma bonded situation.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Well, like I said, it's almost impossible to do it
on your own because your brain is going to keep
talking you out of it. So the first thing that
I would suggest, unlike a narcissistic abusive relationship, where we
say immediately go no contact, because you cannot start recovering
from any abusive situation unless you block your abuser, a
trauma bonded situation, you have to be able to want
(10:24):
to leave. So getting help, therapy, coaching, counseling, professional help
with someone who understands trauma bonding and understands it's different
from other types of abuse. That is, when we start
reach training your brain the things that spark those dopamine hits,
(10:48):
you have to start undoing it. It's like addiction, it
really really is. You have to start reversing that. And
if you're not trying to do that you're not going
to know how to do it, So getting professional help,
having somebody guide you through those steps to get to
the point where you recognize this is extremely dangerous relationship
and you need to leave. At that point, we can
(11:10):
work on a safe exit strategy, and going no contact
is the very next step. You can't let the abuser
be part of your life. If you leave just a crap,
they will break through your armor and they will get
back to you and the love bombing will start again.
And your brain it's like not drinking because you're an
alcoholic and you see that one drink and you're like,
(11:31):
what is one beer going to do? And you take it,
you're right back by. Your brain doesn't know the difference.
So you have to go no contact from that and
surround yourself with a supportive network friends, family, join our
private Facebook group. We'll put that link below as well.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Just try to do this alone, right right, So, speaking
of a professional, you know I've always bragged about Melissa.
I know for clients, I know the success stories that
she's had. Please book a call of Melissa that if
you are in a trauma bonded relationship, if you fear
you're in a trauma bonded relationship. Please set up a
call with Melissa, and I want to put her link
(12:08):
down below also. And if you have a loved one
or family member, you know we get these emails all
the time. You know, my daughter is in a trauma
bonded relationship. All right, I believe my daughter or son
is trauma bonded. What do I do? So let's talk
about that just for a minute. How you can help
loved ones in this situation by being supportive. And we
(12:31):
also were going to put the Facebook support below also
the linked to that so you can join that and
be around other people that can help you with that.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
And it's a safe environment where you could talk about anything.
Just like narcissistic abuse of relationship, when you're trying to
convince someone that's what they're in, that's that's the worst
thing you want to do because they're going to defend
the abuser. They're going to tell the abuser, this is
what that you said, hoping that will change them. What
(13:00):
that will do is anger the abuser toward that loved
one and they'll they'll isolate that love and away from
you listening being supportive and suggesting they talk to a professional.
It doesn't hurt to talk to a professional. That would
be your advice to them, rather than trying to convince
and that person is evil and bad, even though we
know they are asking them. What would it hurt to
(13:23):
just book a session with someone and so they can
ask you questions you can answer it. Honestly, that would
probably be the first step. That was just something that
I would if it was my loved one, That's what
I would say.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And you just had a situation like that the other day,
didn't you, where you had a mother and daughter. Yes,
they called together. The yeah really powerful, really really strong,
really opened up the daughter's eyes to what she was
dealing with.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Mother wasn't trying to tell her. Her mother was just
let's just talk about it. Let's just talk about it,
let's talk to somebody safe private. And it was very,
very very enlightening. I had been talking to the mother
for a while, but this was the first time we
actually had a joint session, and it was very enlightening
for the daughter and she was no longer in that
(14:11):
denial she was she had, she was losing hope in it. Ever,
going back to what it was that made her fall
in love with the person and and of course we
all know that that person never existed. It's the you know,
the charade of that person. So anyway, but that's probably.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
What okay, okay, So so if if if you have
a loved one, daughter's son, mother, father, what have you
good friend that you feel is in this cycle of abuse,
please reach out to us. Yes, we're gonna put questions
at the VTW below. That's a great way to reach
out to us. Just to start the conversation. I want
to put Melissa's link below. She is amazing and can
(14:50):
help you in this situation as well. And please grab
this document. Yeah, it's a great place to start, just
to educate yourself. You know, knowledge's power, it is, so
anytime you can get some knowledge and really start moving
in the right direction is a huge thing to do.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
It's a huge step in the right direction, and it's
a huge step for you to start having hope again.
And that's sometimes all you meet is just an ounce
of hope to know this can be conquered. You can
survive this, and you can get away from it, and
you can start a life of happiness, joy and be
(15:25):
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We'll be here next week with our next podcast. We
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(15:48):
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Speaker 2 (16:00):
Thank you so much for being with us today and
we look forward to hearing from you soon
There are good parts of the relationship. It's not all
bad like what you and I both experience. It was
good at the beginning and then it just got progressively worse.
There was no getting better. So in a situation like that,
it's easier to break that, depending on your situation, than
a trauma bonded relationship, because trauma bonding has intermittance of
(00:21):
love affection chemistry followed by the cycle of abuse, which
throws the victim off, and then the abuse happens, and
then that pieces of love and affection actually happen again,
and this cycle repeats itself over and over and over,
so the victim is left feeling very off balanced, not
knowing if the good person is really the good person
(00:44):
and the bad person is you know, somebody that can
be helped. So they're always trying to figure out how
to get that good person back because it is filtered
with good, bad, horrible, back to good.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Welcome to the Victim to Warriors Show.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Warrior Talk, where John and Melissa and we are survivors
of narcissistic abuse and our mission is to help other
survivors reclaim and rebuild their lives.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Right now today, we're going to talk about an incredibly
serious type of abuse called trauma bonding and what does
it look like, what does it mean? What does it
look like? And if we're in a trauma bonded relationship,
how do we get out? So, Melissa our expert, what
is trauma bonding and how is it different from other
types of abuse?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Well, trauma bonding is there are good parts of the relationship.
It's not all bad like what you and I both experience.
It was good at the beginning and then it just
got progressively worse. There was no getting better. So in
a situation like that, it's easier to break that. Depending
(01:59):
on your situation, then a trauma bonded relationship because trauma
bonding has intermittance of love affection, you know, it could
be chemistry followed by the cycle of abuse which throws
the victim off, and then the abuse happens, and then
that pieces of love and affection actually happen again, and
(02:21):
the cycle repeats itself over and over and over, so
the victim is left feeling very off balanced, not knowing
if the good person is really the good person and
the bad person is you know, somebody that can be helped.
So they're always trying to figure out how to get
that good person back because it is filtered with good, bad, horrible,
(02:43):
back to good.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Okay, So it creates kind of a cycle. Yes, now
after the abuse, promises could be made. Oh yeah, that's assurances.
Hey I'm going to go we'll go to counseling, I'll
start going back to church, or or I won't, I'll
stop doing that. I promise things will be different this time.
So it's kind of creating.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
And I believe that. You do want to believe that
because of how it made you feel when it was happening,
when that initial intense chemistry love bombing took place, you
want to go back to that. So that is why
it's so difficult. If it was just all bad, progressively worse,
(03:24):
you're so desperate to leave, You're just trying to figure
out how to A trauma bonded person doesn't necessarily want
to lead. They know something's wrong, they know the relationship
is bad, they know there is something seriously wrong with
this cycle. They just don't know what it is and
they don't know how, And some people may not even
realize they're trauma bonding.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Right, So let's talk about that. Let's talk about the realizations.
So what does it look like if we're inside of
this cycle, this trauma bonding.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well, I'm going to talk about some things that are
really important and these are signs that you can look
for in your own relationship. Or maybe if you have
a loved one and you're watching from the out into
this relationship and you know something's very wrong. One the
cycle of abuse. We just talked about that.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Well, first of all, this document.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh, yeah, we're going to give you a copy of
the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
We're going to give you a copy of this, so
don't worry about, you know, trying to write things down
or we're going to put it in the show notes below. Yeah,
so we'll put the link there for you and you
can get your copy. It's your own copyright, and.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Definitely go through it. The power imbalance, obviously they're the victim,
may be hesitant to leave because of maybe they are
the stay at home mom. Maybe that it is financial control.
So that is similar to potentially a narcissistic abuse to relationship.
But the showering of love and affection after a huge
(04:46):
cycle of abuse is where the victim falls off is
out balance, not being able to leave. Maybe you don't
want to leave. You know it's bad for you, You
know the relationship is causing a lot of stress and
frick in your life, but you just may not be
ready to leave yet. Making excuse for their behavior.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Oh we've all, yes, and we've done that in our
own of revis war ships, but trying to justify their
abusive behavior to maybe somebody that's looking in and maybe
questioning what's going on here, And you don't want them
to know, because if they know, you might have to
do something about it, and you may not mentally be
(05:28):
prepared to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Break yet you keep the abusive secret delight to people.
Wanting to please the abuser. You're so desperate for those
intermittent cycles of love and affection that you will do
anything to get that back. It's like your Russia dopamine,
that cycle of abuse where you're feeling horrible about yourself.
(05:49):
You're just kicked down as low as you could go,
and then your abuser comes in with maybe a rose
or you know, a promise, yes, a promise that they're
not undoubtedly going to break, So trying to please them
over and over and over again to get that little
breadcrumb of love and affection distancing people who are trying
to help you fix.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, and we're going to talk about that just a
little bit further on in and oh yeah, how if
you're on the outside and you have a loved one,
family member, whatever, that is being trauma bonded and you're desperate, right, Well,
we're gonna talk a little bit about that in just
a minute.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So fixating on the good days, your brain is going
to go into survival mode during the cycles of abuse
and tension. So your brain is going to go back
to those good days and in your mind, even though
those good days are now getting further and further and
further apart, your brain is going to go back and say,
(06:45):
but remember, we did have a good time when we
went on this trip. It wasn't so bad. During your
brain is basically trying to trick you into staying and
trick you into believing it's not that bad. This is
one of the most dangerous body relationship that you can
be in.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
You know, because our human brain allows us to forget pain,
physical pain, emotional pain. Over time, we kind of forget
about the severity of it. And so I think that
that falls right into this site. All yeah, as we
forget about the bad times, and we only fixate on
the good time.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Right, and that making excuses for their behavior. You're making
excuses to yourself as well as others you're hoping to
change though Oh my gosh, Yes, you can't change anybody
who doesn't want to be changed. You can't change anybody
who doesn't think they need changing, right, So this is
something that you could be changing your tail trying to
(07:39):
change them. It is an endless cycle and it will
leave you nothing but heartache and you know, frustration and
literally just working yourself into a frenzy, exhausting yourself trying
to change that person back to that those little qualms
of affection, wanting loved despite the abews, that's a big
(08:02):
one because the love generally and that chemistry is intense.
It's a shock wave of it and then it's jerked
away from you, followed by longer periods of abuse. You
desperately want that, so you're willing to put up with
just about anything to get that. You're desperate for that
to return. That right there is probably when I talk
(08:25):
to my clients who I could pretty much tell when
they're trauma bought it when I start asking them specifics
about their relationship. They always want to start by, well,
it wasn't always this bad, or you know, it's not
always terrible. If you have to say that to somebody,
there's something seriously wrong with that relationship. Because a relationship,
(08:47):
no one's perfect. No, no relationship is perfect. You're gonna
have your ups and downs, but your partners, your partners
that you care about each other. A partner that is
going to beat you down to the point where you
are nothing. Basically you feel like you are worthless, and
then grabs you up for that little crumb of happiness
which just thrills you, only to be thrown to the
(09:09):
floor again when you have to try to cover that
up and make excuses for it. You are in a
trauma bonded relationship.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
So if you feel like you are in one but
you're just not sure, get this document. Just go down
below and click on it and you'll receive this document and.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It's very difficult to leave. We're not going to try
to tell you that this is easy. We're going to
try to tell you that it's almost impossible to do
it on your right.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
So let's talk about that. If someone gets this document
that go through it and they're like, you know what,
John and Wilissa, I really feel like I'm being trauma bonded.
I really feel like it people have told me, or
I've been in this situation for a while now it's
not getting better.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
This describes the entire life relationships.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
So how would somebody get out of a trauma bonded situation.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Well, like I said, it's almost impossible to do it
on your own because your brain is going to keep
talking you out of it. So the first thing that
I would suggest, unlike a narcissistic abusive relationship, where we
say immediately go no contact, because you cannot start recovering
from any abusive situation unless you block your abuser, a
trauma bonded situation, you have to be able to want
(10:24):
to leave. So getting help, therapy, coaching, counseling, professional help
with someone who understands trauma bonding and understands it's different
from other types of abuse. That is, when we start
reach training your brain the things that spark those dopamine hits,
(10:48):
you have to start undoing it. It's like addiction, it
really really is. You have to start reversing that. And
if you're not trying to do that you're not going
to know how to do it, So getting professional help,
having somebody guide you through those steps to get to
the point where you recognize this is extremely dangerous relationship
and you need to leave. At that point, we can
(11:10):
work on a safe exit strategy, and going no contact
is the very next step. You can't let the abuser
be part of your life. If you leave just a crap,
they will break through your armor and they will get
back to you and the love bombing will start again.
And your brain it's like not drinking because you're an
alcoholic and you see that one drink and you're like,
(11:31):
what is one beer going to do? And you take it,
you're right back by. Your brain doesn't know the difference.
So you have to go no contact from that and
surround yourself with a supportive network friends, family, join our
private Facebook group. We'll put that link below as well.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Just try to do this alone, right right, So, speaking
of a professional, you know I've always bragged about Melissa.
I know for clients, I know the success stories that
she's had. Please book a call of Melissa that if
you are in a trauma bonded relationship, if you fear
you're in a trauma bonded relationship. Please set up a
call with Melissa, and I want to put her link
(12:08):
down below also. And if you have a loved one
or family member, you know we get these emails all
the time. You know, my daughter is in a trauma
bonded relationship. All right, I believe my daughter or son
is trauma bonded. What do I do? So let's talk
about that just for a minute. How you can help
loved ones in this situation by being supportive. And we
(12:31):
also were going to put the Facebook support below also
the linked to that so you can join that and
be around other people that can help you with that.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
And it's a safe environment where you could talk about anything.
Just like narcissistic abuse of relationship, when you're trying to
convince someone that's what they're in, that's that's the worst
thing you want to do because they're going to defend
the abuser. They're going to tell the abuser, this is
what that you said, hoping that will change them. What
(13:00):
that will do is anger the abuser toward that loved
one and they'll they'll isolate that love and away from
you listening being supportive and suggesting they talk to a professional.
It doesn't hurt to talk to a professional. That would
be your advice to them, rather than trying to convince
and that person is evil and bad, even though we
know they are asking them. What would it hurt to
(13:23):
just book a session with someone and so they can
ask you questions you can answer it. Honestly, that would
probably be the first step. That was just something that
I would if it was my loved one, That's what
I would say.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And you just had a situation like that the other day,
didn't you, where you had a mother and daughter. Yes,
they called together. The yeah really powerful, really really strong,
really opened up the daughter's eyes to what she was
dealing with.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Mother wasn't trying to tell her. Her mother was just
let's just talk about it. Let's just talk about it,
let's talk to somebody safe private. And it was very,
very very enlightening. I had been talking to the mother
for a while, but this was the first time we
actually had a joint session, and it was very enlightening
for the daughter and she was no longer in that
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denial she was she had, she was losing hope in it. Ever,
going back to what it was that made her fall
in love with the person and and of course we
all know that that person never existed. It's the you know,
the charade of that person. So anyway, but that's probably.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
What okay, okay, So so if if if you have
a loved one, daughter's son, mother, father, what have you
good friend that you feel is in this cycle of abuse,
please reach out to us. Yes, we're gonna put questions
at the VTW below. That's a great way to reach
out to us. Just to start the conversation. I want
to put Melissa's link below. She is amazing and can
(14:50):
help you in this situation as well. And please grab
this document. Yeah, it's a great place to start, just
to educate yourself. You know, knowledge's power, it is, so
anytime you can get some knowledge and really start moving
in the right direction is a huge thing to do.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
It's a huge step in the right direction, and it's
a huge step for you to start having hope again.
And that's sometimes all you meet is just an ounce
of hope to know this can be conquered. You can
survive this, and you can get away from it, and
you can start a life of happiness, joy and be
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treated like the beautiful person that you are. So we
adore you as our followers. We do so if you
haven't subscribed, please yeah, please hit that subscribe button and
hit the like. We want to reach as many people
as we can, and like we said, we're always here.
We'll be here next week with our next podcast. We
hope that you'll tune in and leave any comments you
(15:48):
have for us, because we do look at them, we
do answer them. Your opinion matter is for us and
we just want to help as many people as we
can to live their best life like we are now.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Thank you so much for being with us today and
we look forward to hearing from you soon
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