3 & Out - Draft Grades, Does it matter where you go to school, Does Shedeur like the attention

John does a massive mailbag that is centered around answering your draft questions. He dives into his thoughts on giving draft grades immediately after the draft, if it matters to teams where players went to college and how much of an impact the school could make on where you get picked. He also dives into a bunch of Shedeur questions and if after everything that has happened with him, does he like the attention that he's been getting. All that and more!

5:25 - Mailbag

12:34 - Does the school matter

15:04 - Does Shedeur like the attention

30:55 - Why did Ewers go so late

50:31 - Is Cam Ward the least talked about #1 pick

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is happening in my people? How are
we doing? I'm John, This is three and our podcast
and we are pedal of the metal because the Draft

(00:23):
is over and we're just getting started. I wanted to
say a big thank you for everyone that listened to
the podcast or watched on the old YouTube. We had
a big three or four days, a couple shows with Colin.
We had a Reaction on Thursday, we had one on Friday,
we had another one last night. So we really appreciate

(00:44):
everyone that tuned in because we had a big weekend
with obviously the lead story of Shdor Sanders. That helped
out a lot. So we appreciate that happening because I
think the draft would have struggled from a headline perspective
without him coming up off last year with the quarterbacks.
But other than that, Today's gonna be a big mailbag.
I kind of emptied the mail bag out, so at

(01:07):
John Middlecoff is the Instagram and just fire in those
dms and get your questions answered here on the show.
We will obviously have a lot of mailbags this offseason.
I mean it's been the off season for a while,
so we'll just keep having mail bags. With normal shows,
but today is gonna be a mail bag only. I
think I might do a go Low tomorrow. We haven't

(01:28):
done one of those in a couple of weeks because
last week was the Draft, but I know we have
a bunch of mailbag questions for the go Lo which
I'm gonna try to bang out. And we haven't really
talked since Roy won the Masters. But this will be
a very very draft heavy mail bag today and uh yeah,
very excited for the spring. Some of you guys that
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I mean, I think the Shador Sanders topic is settled
Belichick and his girlfriend. That topic exploded on Sunday and
means we're a spring football So let's let's dive into

(03:41):
some of your questions. Huge fan of the bag, huge
Niner fan, curious to know your thoughts on their draft.
Saw a couple of draft grades and the team got panned.
I personally thought they made some great picks. One silly
Shanahan reach with Watkins the ole miss wide receiver, but
everything else will value with the defensive line as the

(04:03):
main focus. Every year the Niners get ridiculed in the draft,
then the actual core talent is the rounds four through seven.
How much doc should we even put into these draft grades? Listen?
I mean, draft grades are the dumbest thing in the
history of the Internet in terms of to take them seriously.

(04:24):
No one has any clue. The greaters, the teams, the
actual players, the fans, no one knows shit. I mean,
no one has any clue. Now totally understand why they
do draft grades because the written word on the Internet
has never been less powerful. Right, videos and podcasts wiped

(04:47):
them out, but that is still something that gets people
to click I'm guilty. I see. Someone was like, I'll click.
I've clicked on multiple draft grades, not even because I care.
I just can't help it. It's like an I've been
doing it for multiple decades. No different than mock drafts.
Think how irrelevant mock drafts are. Nobody knew that the

(05:07):
Jacks were gonna trade out, nobody, and then all of
a sudden they trade up, and the mock drafts are
kind of irrelevant because all of a sudden, Travis Hunter
is not playing for the Browns and he's on the Jacks.
And then it sets off like a domino effect. And
it happens every year, but we consume a lot of
mock drafts. Kyle Shanahan said his wife called him on

(05:28):
draft day. They just said she looked at a mock
draft and they really wanted mikel Williams, the guy that
ended up taking and he was like picked twenty eight
in the mock draft. She looked at and says, Kyle,
maybe she said, honey. Maybe she said, babe, are we
sure that we're drafting the right guy? Are you overvaluing
this player? And even Kyle was like, had toy like rethink,

(05:49):
but yeah, it's like the mock drafts. The draft grades
impact the fun of this whole thing, but they don't matter.
I've been to the majority of Kyle Shanahan training camps,
and the one thing I've learned, you get really excited,
like any training camp you go to when you have

(06:11):
a high pick and doing the Raiders forever Khalil Mcamari Cooper.
Back to back years. You know with the forty nine
ers they had Solomon Thomas and then Nick Bosa. I
think back to back years obviously Trey Lance when they
drafted really high. It's exciting to go see the first
overall pick. But look at the names that I just
gave out. Solomon Thomas never got his fifth year option

(06:32):
picked up and is on like this fourth different team.
Trey Lance is one of the biggest draft whiffs of
all time. Why because Brock Party came in, Wally pipped
him and it wasn't even close. Not a soul that
was at training camp Rock Perty's rookie year went hey,
there's Brock Purty. Do you know that this guy is
gonna become the starter? No one said that, of course,

(06:54):
not no one ever would say that, And I think
you got to be very careful with just drafts. And
this is why I don't get that into it beside
like the super famous players, because we see it every year.
I've been to these practices where all of a sudden,
it's like, well, the third round guy is getting beat
out by an undrafted free agent. The amount of guys

(07:14):
that signed undrafted free agent contracts that will make teams
for everybody is pretty mind blowing. And the thing with
the forty nine ers was clear. I disagree with Kyle
Shanahan and John Lynch in terms of their emphasis on
offensive line, especially the tackle position, like they are just
allergic to taking tackles. I would draft tackles, multiple tackles

(07:38):
throughout the draft. I would treat them like other positions,
like maybe we'll hit on a guy in the fourth round.
I'm not looking for Trent Williams in the fourth round,
but can't I get a serviceable player? And they just
don't do that, you know. And now maybe they were
in position and guys went above them. I know in
the third round the Raiders took a couple offensive line
and they were probably interested in. But I asked around

(07:58):
the NFL because I felt like I like Jalen Walker,
a little bit more than Michael Williams. I was rebuffed,
like middle Cooff, I think you're overhyping it. I didn't
meet many people that I know that didn't weren't extremely
high on their first round pick, six', five two hundred
and seventy, pounds just you, know he's a little, stiff
but like he's got a chance to be a, really

(08:21):
really good player in THE. Nfl their second pick is six'
five six three hundred and, thirty pounds the defensive Lineman.
From texas THAT'S where i got. SOME eh i think
it's a. LITTLE rich a lot of teams put a
lot of emphasis in pass rushing from their interier. Defensive
lineman this guy's not really a. Pass rusher he's much
more of a, run stuffer and he's battled defensive injury

(08:44):
concerns over the course of. His career but one thing
with those first, two picks they got enormous human beings
and their defensive line is. Non existent It's Like. Nick
bosa and then it's That will smith jiff where he
walks into the h, you know to. The mansion. Everyone's
gone he's just standing on the rug. Looking around that's
what it looks like after they've literally got rid. Of

(09:05):
EVERYBODY so i never have a problem taking blue chip
players from blue chip programs and it's on you to coach.
Them up and their defensive line coach has had a lot.
OF success i think in the third round they had
drafted the kind of run and hit Guy From, oklahoma
state which again some of my friends didn't love, the
player but, you know you watch. His Highlights howie roseman

(09:27):
talked about this over the course of the. Draft weekend
this game is so much about space and, speed now
and that's what this. Guy IS but i mean put
an emphasis on their later. Round picks they have hit
on a lot of, those guys but you know. WHO
knows i, Don't KNOW so i have. No issue i'm
not pushing back against people going their draft suck like

(09:49):
nobody knows they'll. Be fun the key to their draft
is going to be those two defensive linemen gotta be
good and obviously ideally hit on some random guys throughout
the course of the third through, seventh, Round RIGHT but
i think they had two, High picks pick eleven and
pick whatever it was forty four or forty three or

(10:12):
five or whatever number it was in the, Second round
like those guys gotta, Be good like those, were, really
really really valuable assets in. This draft when a team
is reviewing a, draft prospect how much does the school
play a factor in their? Draft grade generally speaking, For
context I'm an iowa sadalum and it. Feels great So
many cyclones not only got drafted four in the twenty

(10:36):
five draft five AS, a udfa but also seeing them
make on the field contributions throughout, the season with Perty
holland montgomery being great examples. Among others, YOU know i
Think Because, IOWA state, i mean let's, face It The
big twelve is the worst Of the, power conferences But Under,
matt campbell they've proven now TO have nfl. Ready guys

(10:58):
boise falls under. This CATEGORY when i Was At, Fresno
State pat hill fell under. This category there are certain
programs that aren't like, blue blood blue chip top ten
programs that, are like we're getting a high level player.
From there, You know iowa is never gonna win the.
NATIONAL championship i was probably never even gonna make, the
playoffs but you draft certain players, from there like YOU'RE getting.

(11:21):
Nfl guys, and obviously when you DRAFT players I saw
monty auesenfort the line almost. Ad linebacker the general manager
From The arizona, cardinals SAY because i think they Drafted
Multiple ohio, state players and, he's like think how hard?
Practice is we know how much you know in terms

(11:43):
of they play in the bright, light games they, play
in all these, playoff games they play In Multiple, Penn
state Michigan. And oregon like you playing huge games throughout the,
regular season think. About practice and this was True, for
alabama this is now True. For georgia this is True
At state Michigan. Under harbob if you ARE a dB At,

(12:04):
ohio state every single day YOU'RE. Playing, nfl guy if
you Played For, nick saban no matter what position, you
play every single day, at practice you're going up from your,
freshman year going up AGAINST other. Nfl people so obviously
the games when, you play, you know certain competition depending on.
The week but when you're the Top Programs, Ohio, state Georgia,

(12:25):
Now texas sarks really turned them in to a top.
Flight program and OBVIOUSLY the nil having money. Has HELPED
but i think when he first, got there they didn't
even have a. PLAYER drafted I mean texas was in a,
bad spot and he's turned them pretty quickly just into
one of the. Elites AGAIN and i think that really.
Really matters for, You know oklahoma was like This Under
bob stoops and Then the lincoln is like SO many,

(12:48):
nfl guys you just get better practicing, Every DAY so
i think it really. Really matters and if you're not
going to, be at, you know one of the quote unquote,
blue bloods you got to earn the respect of. The
LEAGUE and I Think matt Campbell And iowa state really
has because they have guys that are ready to, come
in contribute and play at a really. HIGH level i
have a question with the Fall. Of sanders is he
privately happy that every single podcast in the sport show

(13:12):
led with? Him today when is the last time in
draft history that a fifth round draft pick was the?
Lead story doesn't it just feed the. LEGENDARY ego i
was kind of thinking about. That today wherever you fall,
on him it's gotta be. Pretty CRAZY and i get
His Das's, dion sanders but he kind of got The

(13:33):
Like tim. Tebow. TREATMENT now a huge part of that
is if he had just gone pick twenty one To
the steelers or somewhere in, the forties it wouldn't have been,
the same like anytime you're part of like a legendary
no pun, intended fall a precipitous drop viewed by. People

(13:54):
listen i'm sure there are PEOPLE like i can't take hearing,
this ANYMORE and i tend to fall that, Way too
but this has been one of the CRAZIER stories i
could just see by the Numbers that I've since i've
been doing this for a decade plus. EVER seen i
don't know how. HE feels i have never met, the
kid know nothing. About him seems like he handled it

(14:17):
pretty well in terms of like from the, PRANK call
i know he went to the club and has like
a bunch of money In a Louis something i'm not
even a briefcase. Or something but maybe he just doesn't.
Even care maybe he's kind of numb. To it maybe
he truly doesn't give a, shit honestly or maybe. He
does i'm done even trying to guess where. He falls

(14:42):
be Interesting when dion comes out with his first comments where,
he falls because we haven't Really seen dion like just,
sit down, you know with on a show and sling.
Some takes because that's coming you could convince me a
lot of. Different, Angles well i'd. Be Stunned if dion

(15:03):
IS like i, SCREWED up I wish i would have handled.
IT differently i don't think he's throwing that pitch so
but whenever we get, HIM talking i. Don't know Are
the lynch Forty nine ers just playing bad? At drafting
in three years twenty one to, twenty three they only
have two players who will see a second contract with,

(15:24):
The Team brock Perdy. And leonor they seem to overvalue
perceive fit in their system compared to, consensus rankings while
teams Like the Eagles and lions have been stacking blue
chips by not overthinking. The picks do you think this
year's forty nine ers draft class could? Be different? And,
why well. It's hard when you, draft eleven you don't

(15:48):
get the pick of, the litter but you get the
option to select guys that the, good Teams, the Chiefs,
the Eagles, the Ravens the bills would die to have.
Access to they. Would have imagine what all those teams
would do to have the access To Draft, michael williams

(16:08):
who most people thought was gonna go in the. Top
Ten john lynn said he was gonna go in the.
Top TEN so i don't, give YOU like i don't
give the forty nine ers credit On Drafting, Nick bosa
but you just don't get any credit, on that like,
no shit, Easy pick like you don't get credit On Drafting.
Miles garrett, if anything it's an indictment that you suck
so bad to draft that high where you do get
a lot. Of credit, it's, Like Well fred warner in,

(16:30):
The Third george kittle in, The Fifth rock purty in,
The seventh Leonore. WAS leonora I think leonore is a
Fifth And abry thomas was. A third. Like that that's
those are really. Good picks you get credit. For Those,
Michael WILLIAMS like i don't. GIVE you i give you
a little more Credit than bosa because you're drafting eleven,
nuts two but like you get credit in, the, second third,
fourth round and we'd all be taking. Educated guesses nobody has. Any,

(16:53):
Clue honestly i've heard a lot of PEOPLE that i
know don't love their. Draft picks but not a soul
Ever thought purty was any good plays some pretty big
games so far in his. Short career since it appears
should door the other thing with the forty, Nine, ers
like here's the thing With. The Eagles howie roseman runs.
The Draft howie roseman is, the boss he runs. The

(17:17):
Draft kyle shanahan and the coaching staff has a massive
impact on. The draft obviously They let john do. Some
Stuff But john lynch is not picking a Player That
kyle shanahan doesn't want and probably isn't pushing. To GET
so i think that depending on, Your building Like the chiefs,

(17:40):
Right now breviach runs. The Draft andy, REDES like i
don't want to, do this and he's. Done that he's
been like that since he Got To, kansas city and
look how they've done, pretty good a lot. Of success
scout should scout gms should pick players coaches. To coach
but that's not really how a lot of the way
the sport works anymore because most of These, like seattle

(18:02):
got a ton, of credit like great looking draft. On
paper mike McDonald's not picking the, Players JOHNIS so i
don't love, my coach, you know picking all. THE players
i DON'T because i do think it's difficult for them
to separate evaluation from the way they view it through a. Coaching,

(18:26):
lens obviously it can help them out, positively SOMETIMES but
i think like almost knowing too much football limit your
a way to. Be objective that, sounds CRAZY but i
promise you some of these coaches are terrible evaluators and.
Great coaches it's. COMPLETELY different i would say. PROFESSION almost

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Since It appears shador To the browns Was A jimmy.
Haslam move do you think He's even do you think
he even gets drafted without an owner facilitating. The pick
it's a hell of, a, QUESTION MAN i i think
the easy, answer, is, like well, never know. WHO knows
i would have a hard time thinking THAT some gm

(21:16):
would go with, Seventh round, but like what THE hell, i,
mean honestly what's the difference in a quote unquote bad
draft between like the fourth or fifth round and the
seventh with a quarterback like he's gonna be a backup no.
Matter WHAT so i do think, WHEN owner i think
owners would have got involved in the sixth or the
seventh round because, they go we're not paying this. Guy

(21:37):
anything it's. On me if you guys want to cut,
this guy you can cut him whenever. You want but
there is too much. Value HERE so i think let's
Say the browns never Exist Or jimmy haslam never forces.
THEIR hand i think he, Gets drafted but if you
told me that he got drafted in the, seventh ROUND
like i think it would be on, the table which
again is kind of crazy because, talent wise he's a

(22:00):
top fifty player clearly top seventy five player. At WORSE
so i don't think anyone would, debate that but it does.
REALLY matter i MEAN the I just I remember i
did something On The todd. Nickshay, REPORT again i was
just giving my opinion based on that report because at,

(22:20):
the time and this was two, months ago It's like
todd doesn't really just throw shit out at the wall
and hope. It sticks and he said like he's had some,
awful MEETINGS and i remember thinking and, saying, that like
that's pretty crazy to me because usually like this is
kind of an important. Job interview, you know it's one
where if you get, drafted high they don't, pay millions

(22:42):
they pay like forty. Million dollars if you get drafted
in the, second round you make millions, Of dollars like
it's kind of a. Big deal and then, you know
like classic on, the comments he didn't want to. Conform
that you see that. A lot, it's, like, well guys
part of, this business like in any business where a

(23:05):
lot of money's online when you're interviewing, with someone is
to kind of be on your. Best behavior literally everyone,
does it especially people that aren't in any people that
don't historically, in football one are either just complete morons
and deserve to fail because they, usually do or people

(23:25):
that are so goddamn good they could walk into, an
interview pull down their pants and fart on the people
interviewing them and nothing. Would matter, it's, LIKE hey, i,
was well take you forth like he and he did
not fall into, that category but in, his mind and
this is what really turned. People, off clearly he carried
himself like he was the greatest thing since slice spread

(23:47):
based on all these reports and obviously just look at.
The actions yet they all looked at him just like
a run of the, mill player which, to me if
This Wasn't, shadoor sanders and that's what makes this such
a polarizing thing as, his name but if he was
just a normal player and he had acted like that
and we all thought like he should be a top

(24:07):
couple round pick, and fell every single person would be
calling this, guy douchebag every, Single PERSON like i think it'd,
be universal but it's like people, are SCARED which i.
Get it if your Friends, with dione you don't want
to crush. His kid, and again no one said he
did like anything bad off, the field but in terms of,
the interview like it's like well, reported now like it's

(24:29):
well established what happened and why, he fell because, it's
like why are you acting? Like this nobody acts. Like
this it's what pushed and turned. Everyone off nobody acts.
Like this, If anything guys that aren't As Good jalen
milroe had an, awful season yet he was blowing people
away with. His Interviews dylan gabriel is tiny RELATIVE to

(24:54):
nfl standards for quarterbacks viewed. Very small people love the.
Fucking guy why because it's like sit down, with, Him,
SAY god i want. THIS guy i want to draft.
That guy that's usually what. Quarterbacks do most of these
quarterbacks in this, CLASS are i, would say like super.
Impressive Guys The, Riley Leonards, Will Howards Dylan Gabriel's. JALEN

(25:17):
milrose i haven't heard one negative thing on any. Of
them that is the. Other problem he went in with
his attitude clearly in, these rooms which AGAIN when i,
say that no one, does. THAT nobody i don't know
why you pulled down your pants and fart, on SOMEONE
but i was just trying to think of. Something Outrageous uh,

(25:39):
LONGHORNS fan i got consistent pushback for believing yours. WAS
overrated i saw a player that never seemed to perform
well into the, biggest moments ran in two instead of out,
of trouble and was a product of. The scheme my,
question is as a, former scout what did you see
on tape in your opinion that down to the. SEVENTH

(26:01):
round i was never a, big fan and obviously because
you guys played so many big games over the last couple,
of years we watched a lot of, you clearly if
everything's perfect and he just drops back and throws a
deep ball or throws the ball where the, guy's open
the ball looks pretty coming out of, his hand and,
in college depending on who, you're playing he can be

(26:23):
put in. Those situations, you're like that was just a.
Beautiful play but the better teams, you play football becomes
that there's an. Instinct development you gotta have a feel for.
The game AND when i Watched quinn ewers, PLAY football
i saw a guy that, was robotic that didn't have
a feel for, the game and those type players. AT

(26:45):
quarterback i am one hundred percent always OUT on i
don't care how tall, YOU are i don't care how
big your ARM is i just saw a very robotic
and a guy that just lacked natural instincts to play,
the position because to be good at football at, any
points but especially quarterback is like people Loved cam. WARD'S
instincts i Would say shador has pretty natural, quarterback, Instincts

(27:10):
right that's why he's you would consider him. A PLAYMAKER
when I Watch, QUINN yours i just saw like kind. Of,
blah honestly Him And carson beck are. Very similar you
just wash, AND like i don't see it now they
can have stretches in. A game i Would Say carson
beck had stretches throughout his career that looked Better Than.
QUINN yours i never understood People Projecting quinn yours, really

(27:31):
HIGH but i will, say this he has a much
better Arm Than. Arch, manning Now maybe arch, is young
maybe his arm can, get better but the THE arm
i saw last Year From arch manning in when he
played is pretty average RELATIVE to. Nfl Standards, speaking arch

(27:52):
Why is arch getting all? This HYPE but i See
nuss meyer getting left off early. Draft boards only four
k yard passer COMING Back nfl star, style thrower and
we'll have plenty of experience guy is a winner who
carried his team WITH the lsu janitor for running backs
after all. The injuries he needs to. Rename himself, shador

(28:16):
listen hype is real and media hype, is real and
when you are it's. One thing if You're Like, steph
curry his dad WAS an, nba player but his Dad Was,
del Curry not doctor J Or. Michael, jordan Right If
steph curry Had Been michael jordan's Son or doctor, j

(28:37):
son the hype on him coming out would have been a.
Lot crazier he wouldn't have been Denied At virginia tech
coming out of high school and had to Go to
davidson just based on. Name alone and his dad WAS an.
Nba player so if your DAD'S an, nfl player which
countless guys WHO are nfl sons that get drafted every,

(28:59):
Single year but when, you are He's not Peyton or.
Eli's son but when you Are a manning and your
last Name Is, football royalty it feels a. LITTLE different
i would say the same Thing For. Shador sanders his
dad isn't just one of the greatest players in the
history of, the league he's one of the greatest athletes
in the History, of america and he's definitely one of

(29:20):
the biggest personalities to ever play. Pro sports so it just.
Creates Something and i'll, Say this chador played well Well
if arch is going to play in a much more
difficult Conference than. Shador did but, Who knows like, You
said Garrett neust meyer's dad also played IN the nfl
coaches now IN. The nfl but if It Was garrett

(29:42):
brady and he Was Like tom, brady's nephew or It Was,
garrett farv we'd probably hype him up a lot more
fair not that's just part of. The deal it. Really
IS if I Wasn't, john MIDDLEKOFF but I was John
h LET'S say I Was, John francessa it's Like That's

(30:03):
mike francesa's kid worked IN the nfl and now he
does a Podcast. FOR coward I bet i would get
discussed a little bit DIFFERENTLY than. I do just it
comes with. The Territory john francis is actually a pretty.
Solid name my twin BROTHER and i watch you whenever
a new, episode drops. APPRECIATE it i want to know
what you think About the saints draft and what we're

(30:25):
gonna do. Next season is drafting a quarterback still In.
THE cards i text some people, because again sometimes when
you have a, Bad exposure i'm not in the WEEDS
like i used, to be so a lot of my
exposure comes on my couch in, the saturdays the, biggest
games and, you know banks TO me, I had i

(30:48):
would say a lukewarm kind of first big exposure to
him In the. Georgia GAME and i have countless friends
who like that pick. A LOT so, i, said listen
that know what they're doing and are on winning teams
and have won a lot in. The league so it's
like people like. That pick no issue with. That PICK
and i am never anti taking offensive lineman. Really high

(31:12):
it's always going to be the right move because when
you hit, on it no one ever complains about having
awesome tackles on. YOUR team i just can't get behind the.
QUARTERBACK selection i think. It's. Insane now derek is leading
some sermon the other day talking about his shoulder bitching
and moan about the media when it's like didn't your agent, lead? This,

(31:33):
bro like what are we even. Talking about i'm still
a little confused by This Whole derek carr. Shoulder saga
he's doing podcasts with, his brother like is your shoulder?
Fucked up is this all a ruse because you're mad at?
The team didn't they pay you a ton of money
to not? Play? THAT well I just, i'm done kind
of following The car, saints saga just like is he

(31:54):
on the team? Or NOT but i would say the
more and more that you, create problem they're Just More.
Tyler shuck he's probably start a quarterback and basically gets
this year to prove he's a starting quarterback or not fair,
or not and then depending on how, it goes you're
in the quarterback mix, next year or you just keep Rolling.

(32:15):
WITH shuck i do think it's crazy to draft a
player that is Older Than brock purty and who went
to Prom With, Brock purty like. It's crazy it. Really
is like there are. Some things it's like that visual
of him standing in his tucks Next to, Brock party, it's,
like wait they're the. Same age, it's, like, No yeah brock's.

(32:37):
Actually Younger hasn't brock been IN the nfl for three years?
A starter it's like, oh yeah and he was a
four year. College starter, it's, like yeah that guy was
the backup For, justin herbert it's like you start doing,
The math, you're like this. Is insane it's kind of
Like the. Belichick video, it's, like listen it can't be
as crazy as everyone's making it out. To be and
then you, watch it, you're, like uh. This insane did

(33:02):
she really just chime in? Like that and he? Went
QUIET did i really just see what everyone? Else saw this? Is.
Crazy listen we all do different things. FOR love i
never try to judge a person when it comes to their,
significant other but that interaction OF and i Don't blame

(33:23):
bill for dating someone, twenty five it's easy for every,
old person like someone should be dating your, Own, age,
like yeah You think bill's gonna be laying naked with
a seventy three, year old you're fucking out of. Your
mind but when you, see that, It's, like jesus this
is this. Is crazy she is running the. Ship, here
now who knows what's going on when the, you know

(33:45):
doors closed and lights. Her off bill's probably having time of,
his life and good, For him good, For him but
that is something that's gonna be hard. To UNSEE that
cbs viral clip of her chiming in that. WAS crazy
i think THAT was i can't see that in. My
mind given out, the MEDIA. Stephen a shannon mel kiper,

(34:11):
lesser extent some other people are trying To spin shador's
fall all about race and about some vandetta the league Has.
Against dion do You think shador will come away with
the right accurate lesson from. THIS experience i Really like
shador as a quarterback prospect and as. A person the

(34:33):
bravado doesn't. BOTHER me i want him, To succeed but
my concern is that he and his camp will not
take the proper lesson away from this and instead blame
others instead of doing the proper amount of. Self reflection
people are saying maybe a little bit of humbling was good,
for Him but i'm not convinced he. Was. Humble lol

(34:54):
the night he, was drafted he was At The dallas
club partying and holding a suitcase. Of MONEY if i
were HIM and i just lost a million by sliding to,
Round five i'd be at home figure out what happened
AND how i was gonna take the preseason. By storm
well to, be humbled, YOU know i think we throw.

(35:14):
That around especially the older people love younger people when they,
get humbled like ultimately to humble. Human being if most
of us lose a bunch, of money LIKE if i
don't have a, podcast TOMORROW like i don't do, ANYTHING
else i don't have some, TRUST fund i don't have,
Any money i'd be. In trouble i'd have to figure.
Something out like this guy comes from a lot. OF money,

(35:37):
i mean we just saw the contract. D unsigned obviously
they are a very close, knit Family and shador has
just made a lot of money the last couple. Of
years so money to this guy is not. An issue
he does not go to bed at night like a
lot of people in the draft and worry about his.
FINANCIAL future i think that's fair to, guess that especially

(35:59):
based on the. Club after but in terms of, BEING
humbled i got. No clue it's impossible to psychoanalyze because
if you just watch like his reaction when he jumped into,
the pool he'd, BE like i actually thought he handled it.
Pretty well he just got drafted in the, fifth round

(36:21):
and he was still excited to. Be drafted he thought
it was a. Cool moment he didn't now you could
also have said if, he pouted you would have thought
like he would have been. Pissed off that's. Cool too
you could nitpick anything, he does and he is by
far the most nitpicked PLAYER that i can remember in,
recent memory especially when you factor and he's a fifth.

(36:42):
Round guy i'm Fascinated what dion's ultimately. Gonna SAY if
i was, GONNA guess i would say that he will
not like there's not gonna be a lot of. LIKE
accountability i would retract my statements or retract the WAY
if I advise chador to. Handle that there was a
video that went Viral that shiloh was Screaming, at dion

(37:04):
you screwed? This up and, who knows maybe he Told
should georda act. LIKE this i. Don't know i'm kind
of fascinated To hear dion if, he's like, you know not,
screwed around like being serious, about it what his thoughts on,
this ARE because i, don't know like being humbled at
the end of, the, day humbled, not humbled like you

(37:25):
gotta go and you got to COMPETE against nfl guys
and once, camp starts they can't hit you because you
have a red. Jersey on but while people like root,
FOR others nfl training camp is kind of like A.
DOGGY dog, i mean it's kind of a fucking. Crazy
place there are ninety guys that, show up, you know
depending on. Your team there are thirty forty guys, on

(37:48):
scholarship and there are a lot of people competing for
starting spots and. BACKUP jobs, i mean it's kind, of like,
you know only the, strong Survive and dylan Gabriel And
kenny pickett and these guys are desperately trying to make.
The roster so it's gonna. Be fascinating all the talk
about it is kind, Of irrelevant like you're either gonna

(38:08):
pick up. The offense you're either gonna. Make plays you're
either gonna the coaches are gonna trust you and they're
gonna get, behind you or. They're not and you have
the opportunity to earn the right to be on, the
team and whether that's the third string guy or. THE
backup i think it's probably borderline impossible without injuries to
be the starter, week one but there is one hundred

(38:28):
percent possibility for Him and dalan gabrielle competing and it'll
probably start at the third and then they'll probably transition
those guys kind of working toward the. Number two. You,
play well it's the best part about football is all
the bs that's, talked about, you know attitude and race
and whatever on. These shows the last couple, of nights

(38:49):
none of that matters when the pads come on and
it's one hundred degrees Outside and stefanski calls the play
Into A jim schwartz thir defensive coordinator and on the
other they're running the defense like you're either going to complete,
the passes make, the plays make the, right checks or.
You're not none of the shit that was said from
countless people last couple of days. Mean anything nothing even

(39:12):
his dad can say. Means ANYTHING but, i think like,
you know, it's crazy is we've had a lot of former,
players KIDS and i was around him, a lot like
early on in my radio Career Around stephan clay, WHOSE dads,
I mean clay's dad was kind of a LEGEND for i,
don't know The eighties lakers like played kind of a

(39:34):
prominent ROLE is i think he's on their Radio Team
michael Thompson and steph's dad was A longtime, nba player
and these guys just acted. Like that there was a
it was crazy early on before they really blew up
to what. They've become they were just really normal and
he easy to get along with and everyone. Liked HIM

(39:54):
and i do feel like most of these guys that
grew up rich and dad's played. Professional sports Look At,
patrick mahomes they actually feel like the easiest going guys
early on because they're most comfortable in. This environment they're
like the. Most secure and there's this weird part about,
shador of like is he just copying? HIS dad i

(40:18):
would imagine if you could get a LOT. Of U
and I mean i like. MOST kids I mean i
love the forty Nine ers and when They Signed, dean
sanders they Won A super bowl in nineteen. Ninety Four
dean sanders was one of the coolest players by far of.
My childhood Everyone Liked deon sanders. And talk he never,
shut up but he was fucking like the most dominant

(40:40):
player in. The league we started dancing at like the thirty.
Yard line no, one cared you, know why because he
was going the other way with the ball in, his
hands about to score a touchdown because he had just
picked off. The quarterback like no one cares about bravado
and that type stuff when you back, it up but
when you bring a lot, of that and people think
that you're not as good as the way you. Carry

(41:00):
yourself people kind of think you're. A loser that's part.
Of it everyone's like people don't like. The, bravado, well
yeah we have never liked big bravado on people that
can't back. It Up michael Jordan And tiger Woods And,
tom brady they can carry themselves kind of however. They
want it's much more Difficult For kirk cousins if you

(41:21):
wanted to carry himself, like, That Right King grivey Junior
And barry bonds carry themselves a little bit different than the. Utility,
infielder now, Who Knows maybe schador is really good IN.
The nfl we're gonna. Find OUT but i talked about,
this yesterday Like the big. Twelve sucks we gotta acknowledge
That the big twelve is not viewed as like big.

(41:41):
Time football it's kind of. A joke, i mean just
look at all the guys that. Were drafted if he
had done what he DID, the sec you couldn't even
pretend that he wasn't a first. Round pick if he
had played the exact same way and produced the same
numbers IN the sec you would have had to take
him as a first, round pick no matter whether you
liked his attitude. Or not, BUT like i think a

(42:02):
lot of people look at her like you weren't PLAYING any.
Nfl players conference is, An embarrassment like it's not like
You're playing Texas and OKLAHOMA in A and. M anymore they.
Long GONE so i think there are a lot of
different factors. And VARIABLES but i think we also have
to acknowledge that if you act really, really, cocky right
it's like a girl that carries herself, like she's, you

(42:26):
know the hottest thing in. The room if you look
at her and she's like she's, a five everyone's kind
of making fun. Of HER and i think a LOT
of nfl people viewed. THIS guy, I honestly i didn't
even ask that much. About him my one Big regret,
i've had, YOU know i would say the last couple
of days is not spending. MORE time i just assumed
he was. Gonna be people just weren't even talking. About

(42:47):
him that's what's crazy is we're spending so much time
talking about him. RIGHT now i actually don't think teams
wasted that much time on him over the last couple
of months once they interacted. With him once, they're, like
yeah we're not. THAT interested i think we myself everyone talking.
About him fans are way more invested than the, league

(43:08):
was and that's all. That Matters and i've said, this
FOREVER like i really like doing this and. It's cool
we got a big audience and be able to make
a living, off this and my opinions are just it's this. Is,
entertainment like my job's not to pick the. Actual player
sometimes people come at, me like, you know you're a know.
It All, You no i'm just giving my opinion on,

(43:29):
the move but my job is not to actually make. The,
Move right so If The travis hunter trade Up for
gladstone blows up in his face like he was the,
decision maker that his. Job Is that i've been over,
the years had gms get mad, at, Me right, it's,
like well my job and your job. Are different you

(43:50):
just won, five games you did a. Shitty job i'm
not acting LIKE like i would be able to dominate at,
your job but you definitely can't dominate, my, job right
or you. Can try, come, On right so it's like
AND everything I say i put my, name on you
don't necessarily, do THAT and i think sometimes these worlds kind.
Of collide their job is just to get. It right

(44:11):
that's the only thing they're consumed with is getting it
right and getting. Good players that's all they, care About
right the ONLY thing i Care about my job is
to try to make. Entertaining content if you're listening to
this in your, sales guy the only thing you probably
care about is like hitting your quota of. That year
the only thing these gms get the best players possible
and the right fits in your organization Is cam ward

(44:45):
the least talked about number one pick in the history of.
THE draft i feel kind of badly, for him as
he deserves some attention and credit for all the work he. Put,
in also what are the realistic expectations For? The titans
could they make a run at? THE division i think
six or? Seven Wins But will levis also gave away
games last year that they probably could. Have, WON yeah,

(45:07):
I mean i think if, HE'S good i don't see why,
they couldn't, you know compete to win seven. Or eight
their defense was really good, last year at least until
like halfway through. The season he just ran out, Of
juice like HOW am i gonna play Defense With will levis,
at quarterback but, you know if offensively he's just a,
solid player they could be way more competitive than they were,

(45:27):
last year and they were competitive Early On will levis
was just. A Joke so i'd be pretty bullish On.
The TITANS and i don't even think. IT'S close i
don't think we'll ever see again a number one overall
quarterback feel, more relevant and THIS is i WASN'T watching
espn on it would Have been, thursday NIGHT but i

(45:51):
guess Did mel kiper just go into a rant immediately
About Shud? Or Sanders so i've Seen cam ward, interview
bunch we Had dickerd on as former Coach At. Washington
state seems like a really. GOOD guy i know people
With the titans they really. Like him SO if i
Was a, Titans fan i'd be. Pretty excited there's nothing
more fun than getting a high, picket quarterback knowing he's,

(46:14):
gonna start and also knowing he's got, like debility like a.
Big arm let's see what we. Got now i'd be
EXCITED if i Was a. Titan fan playoffs seems a,
little bold but definitely A competitive i think seven to
eight wins. Is realistic i'm The biggest herbert, fanuel meet but.
No excuses this year we got to win a playoff game.

(46:35):
OR two i can't wait to see what year two
looks Like. With harball. TOTALLY agree i. TOTALLY agree i
THINK it's i think the expectation would be feeling pretty
good about by the time the, playoffs start like we
can MAKE The afc. Championship GAME and i think it's
fair going into, the season like can we win? This

(46:57):
division have we shrunk? The gap can we Beat the
chiefs in a regular? Season game can we win this
division and get a home? Playoff game but luckily the
way they play is always going to translate on, the
road but winning. Playoff games the last three draft locations
Have Been, Green, bay detroit in case next year's draft

(47:20):
will Be. In pittsburgh the Last Two super bowl locations
Have Been new Orleans. And vegas the next Three are
San Fran, los Angeles. And atlanta is it a deliberate
strategy To Give super bowls to supposedly cool cities and
give the draft to, blue collar working? Class cities would
love to hear, Your, thoughts well you can't Have The

(47:41):
super Bowl In green Bay Or, kansas, CITY right i
mean technically, you could but you're not going to Play
The super bowl in a game potentially negative one degree
or ten degrees or snowing. Or sleep they don't want to.
Do that so part of the reason when you look
at Where The super bowl Is, Play, Arizona, Vegas Miami, New,

(48:04):
orleans atlanta either in domes or warmer weather, Climate Climates,
Los Angeles. San francisco they want the sun out if
the game's. Outside FOREVER when i was, a kid they
used to Play At Arizona. State stadium they used to
Play At, stamford stadium like they want it in a.
Nice climate if it's going to. Be outdoors you just

(48:24):
can't have The super Bowl in pittsburgh in the first Week.
Of february you can't, do it and they're not going
to do it because the other thing is. The, football
wise technically you, could it probably no one wants to
watch that type game if it's, freezing cold no one.
Can catch but it's also about, the week and that

(48:46):
week is really about the corporate clients THAT the, nfl
has the people they're in, business with all the. Different
companies it's like the. League's convention, we all depending on what,
we do go to, different conventions right. Or meetings that's essentially,
the leagues so for their business partners where the combine

(49:07):
is like for the teams and. The players The super
bowl is really about the business OF, the nfl and
people are more INCLINED to i would just say go
to the places where they have it because it's. Nice
WEATHER and i think that they really just give the
draft two places that are never going to Get, super
BOWLS so i think that's why they're. DOING it i

(49:30):
don't think it's necessarily about blue. COLLAR cities, i Mean
If green bay was beautiful in, THE spring i think
they WOULD have i also Don't think i've never, Been
there but do they have the infrastructure for hotels and stuff?
FOR fans i think that plays, a part but it's
ninety five percent. The weather, Last question As a, TITANS

(49:56):
fan i probably am a, little BIASED but i just
find it crazy how Little coverage cam. IS getting i
Totally get shador Is a sanders and him slipping in
the draft is going to dominate, The coverage BUT then
i see more Coverage On jalen Milroe And dylan gabriel
and try to understand why it FEELS like cam is
the least. Talked, about well the Reason That jalen Milroe

(50:19):
And dylan gabriel when they, get drafted gets so much
more DISCUSSION than cam is because they're directly connected Now
to shador because they are part of the story of
guys drafted. Above him so if they are independent and
have nothing to Do, with shador we wouldn't spend any
time on, them, either, which Again like i'm not proud,

(50:41):
of this but this is one of the biggest stories
in the history of. The draft it really is because
sometimes like you think About t bow that went in,
the twenties you Think about roger that went in, the
twenties you think About When jordan love was taken To
the Packers With aaron rodgers was a. Huge story there's

(51:04):
usually not an individual like this that goes round after
round after round that has the fame of. This individual
it's led by, his DAD who's i, Would Say deon
sanders is just on the short list of famous players
in the history of, the sport and he's added to.
That right he was a big media star once his.

(51:25):
Career ended he then became a. College coach he coached.
His son you just it's like a. Movie script how
all the different, angles here all the Different guys dion
knows and has, played with he had been started to,
GET rumored i, would say over the last YEAR to

(51:45):
sec schools than EVEN the nfl, his son fair. Or
not through, the media hype was discussed With cam ward
throughout the season as the, best quarterbacks and then once the,
PROCESS started I CLEARLY cam I MEAN i i don't
Think the titans deliberated much on this decision for the

(52:06):
last couple, of months, but yeah it sucks now part.
Of it, You know jags fans sometimes fire INTO my
dms and get mad, at Me say i'm too dismissive of.
The organization there's something about the division that, it's like,
you guys from a rating standpoint and importance of the,

(52:26):
league standpoint If The dallas cowboys had had the number
one pick and Not the titans and they had Drafted,
CAM ward i do think it would have been a.
Little different but let's, face it the lead up to
the draft would have, been like do They Take dean?
Sanders kid so cam was just in one of. Those positions,
me personally like, my personality especially at a. YOUNG age

(52:48):
i would kind of. Enjoy it IT'S like i kind
of get to fly under the radar a. Little, bit
no everyone's kind of leaving. ME alone i just have
to impress THE people i have, To IMPRESS but i
don't have to turn on television every day and they're
talking about HOW am i going to be? Abuzz A
am i gonna be like these Other former titans quarterbacks
that were, drafted High like Mariota And vince Young And
jake locker. That FAILED so i actually think he's in

(53:10):
a pretty good spot in terms of, the pressure the outside,
pressure clearly the, media pressure and just the. Overall pressure
like think about going into training camp he is he
is not gonna be. TALKED about i mean it's not
even gonna. Be close chador is gonna be the most
talked about rookie quarterback in. Training camp every pass he throws,

(53:30):
in practice we'll go Viral on Twitter. AND instagram i
would say, anytime, that, Like Hey, jalen milroe he's getting
some reps with. The twos it's like they're gonna have
Packages For. Jalen milroe he'll get talked about. A lot
so in a, weird Way cam ward is the number one,
overall pick gets the DISTINCTION of i was the first

(53:52):
pick IN the. Nfl, DRAFT two i make the most
money of every. Guy Drafted three i'm gonna be the, Immediate,
STARTER like i ain't battling anyone for. The job it's
mine and no one's talking. About ME so i think
he's he's in a pretty. Good spot other, THAN that
I think i Said tes Walker, to Colin and colin

(54:13):
looked at me kind. Of weird it was the wide
Receiver from oregon who's like one hundred and, fifty pounds
Who bo nix's. Family adopted they played high school, football
together and then who Transferred to oregon a couple of.
Years ago It Was Ted Johnson, tz JOHNSON who i
liked and who is, a good uh good. Deep threat he's,
just Skinny which. I'M jealous I wish i had. His

(54:34):
WAISTLINE but i actually kind of liked that pick because
in the. Seventh ROUND but i misspoke a couple of
days AGO when i was On with colin and said
He Was. Tez walker it feels like a movie character.
Or something, but audios thanks for, chiming in and we will.
Talk soon the volume