April 30, 2025 • 59 mins
John opens the podcast talking about George Kittle's new contract and how this was by far the right move for the 49ers and how when you have a player like Kittle, you do everything you need to do to hang on to guys like him.
Next, John talks about the top QB's in the league and how a majority of them were drafted in the first round and guys like Dak, and Purdy are outliers.
Later, he talks about drafting players that have character red flags.
Finally, it's the return of Go Low and John dives into the biggest stories in the world of golf and he also answers your questions.
4:45 - George Kittle's new contract
10:24 - Rookie QB class
15:37 - Drafting character red flags
32:30 - Go Low
41:18 - Colin fired his caddie
48:33 - Mailbag
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A little draft recap, George Kittle got a big contract
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with George Kittle. And you know there are a couple
positions right now in the NFL. When you have a
star player, it's really easy to do business with them.
Like the Eagles gave Saquon bark a contract extension after
giving him a big contract last year, and they didn't
even have to think long and hard about it. Why
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because he plays running back and ultimately it doesn't cost
that much guaranteed money. George Kittle, who if he stays
healthy a couple more years, is gonna be one of
the better players I don't know in the last thirty
forty years for the forty nine ers, and clearly they
have had a lot of Hall of Fame, high end
Pro Bowl level players. But when they extended Trent Williams
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last year and they got into a contract hold out
staring contest. A couple of years ago, nick Bosa held out.
They've had Ayuk hold out And I wouldn't put Ayuk
on the level of Trent and Nick Bosa. But these
contracts are very complicated. You know, Trent Williams at thirty
five years old wanted like sixty five million dollars guaranteed.
Brandon Ayuk was catching seventy five balls a year and
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got seventy five million dollars guaranteed. Nick Bosa at the
time got like one hundred and twenty million million dollars guaranteed.
That these contracts are enormous. Yet when you play tight end,
it's like, here's forty million dollars guaranteed. You're a six
time Pro bowler, multiple time All Pro. Here you go,
It's like, yeah, sign on the dotted line and you
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get such a discount. And the reality is with guys
like George Kittle, and I would say this iteration of
the forty nine ers in twenty twenty five for the
next couple of years, the heartbeat of the team when
everyone's healthy is George Kittle, and is Fred Warner.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And those are the type guys.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
That winning teams build their team around one they do
everything well, like George Kittle is a throwback at the position,
and listen, I have nothing against these tight ends that
do not block, that are dominant receivers. That's their skill set,
and good teams utilize players positive attributes. Most guys, even
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if they try to block, cannot why most people can't
even slow down Miles Garrett, TJ. Watt these type guys.
But George is a great blocker, and he's also a
dominant player with the ball in his hands, and there's
a contact level to the way in which he plays,
which honestly sometimes is like George just go out of bounds,
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but he will turn down going out of bounds to
look up field to try to take out three guys,
and that sets the tone for the team. And there's
a positive energy in which he brings. I've seen him
practice for six seven years. Obviously he's one of the
frontmen in terms of giving press conferences, and there's just
an overall positive energy that the guy brings to your team.
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And I think Rob Gronkowski did this for a long
period of time, and I think he's the closest version
of that in terms of being a total package. You know,
Travis is a different type player, right, dominant receiver, doesn't
bring much as a blocker, but just in terms of
positive energy and someone that the Chiefs have relied on
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to be a heartbeat of the squad, like it's kind
of important, and the type player that ever everyone in
the organization looks up to, the way he practices, the
way he works, how serious he takes football.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
How competitive he is.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And here's the thing, like his competitiveness, like a lot
of elite players in the NFL is unreal on Sunday,
but being a great player in the NFL is about
Monday through Saturday. How hard you work, how serious you
take your preparation, how serious you take your recovery. And
that's what these teams don't hesitate to break off. And
it's much easier a lot like Saquan when the numbers
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are minuscule compared to some of these other positions, which
you can't convince me that. Obviously, justin Jefferson and Jamar
Chase one hundred percent totally understand their value is bigger
than George Kittle. But George Kittle will make way less
guaranteed money than Brandon Ayuk. I don't get it. And
you can tell me, well, that's the market, that's the position. Well,
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they both play on the same team, and one guy
is a better player, and he was a better player
even in Brandon.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I Yuke's breakout year.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
So I feel for these guys like Fred Warner and
George Kittle that see players who are good players get
all this money and you go, but I'm better And
if all positions were equal, this would not be a
fair fight. So the forty nine ers now listen, there's
risk that comes with this. He's an older player. He's
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been banged up over the course of his career. Even
though he's been really durable these last several years. The
way in which he plays is conducive to taking a
lot of shots and taking a lot of physical punishments.
Now like this is the pros and one thing Kyle
does a really good job of is manage his elite
players in practice. I mean, he's not asking George to
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lay it all on the line in the middle of August.
But they're very dependent on this guy in his career.
I would say change back dramatically for the better. Once
Perdy got installed and has been a big reason obviously
over the course of Kyle Shanan's career for the forty
nine ers offensive dominance, not just in the run game
where he's an elite blocker and basically like a six
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offensive lineman, but his just game changing plays in the
past game. And I'm just as a fan of football,
even if I wasn't you know form, you know, from
northern California and rooted and watched the Niners as closely
as I have my entire life. George Kittle's everything that
I love about football. Uh, speaking about, you know, quarterback play,
I'm guilty of this, and especially during the draft, it's
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easy to become enthralled with the quarterbacks because guys get
drafted in the sixth and seventh round and they're some
of the most famous guys in the draft. Will Howard
was just the starting quarterback for the team that won
the national championship. Riley Leonard was just the starting quarterback
for freaking Notre Dame that rattled off some of the
biggest wins I would say of this century. In the program,
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and those guys go late in the draft, so we
talk so much about obviously, those guys, at least we
acknowledge like you get drafted in the six or seventh round,
you're starting as a backup.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
But sometimes we talk about guys.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
After the first round is like this guy might be.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
His starter, this guy, keep an eye on this guy.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Well, I started looking around the league because I'm guilty
of it too. It's like, well, Jaln Milroe, if his
accuracy improves a little bit, you know, Mike McDonald, they
only got you know, Sam Donald, they get out after
a year. He's been around Lamar Jackson. I'm not comparing
him to Lamar Jackson because Lamar is obviously a better thrower,
even at the same point in time in their career.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
But it's like, clearly, you draft this guy high, you
like him.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Look around the NFL, most guys like because I think
Perty has really changed the conversation. It's like you found
him in the seventh round.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
He's an all time outlier.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
The reason we talk about Tom Brady pickne forever is
because that's never happening again, Like that's not normal. Look
at his direct rival was the number.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
One overall pick.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Look at some of his peers also during the time
in which he played Aaron Rodgers first round pick Ben
Roethlisberger first round pick, Philip Rivers first round pick. They
had some wars with Baltimore and Joe Flacco first round
pick toward the end of his career, Patrick Mahomes first
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round pick. And then I just looked in the NFL,
like look at the AFC. Every single quarterback that made
the playoffs last year first round pick, most of them
really high pick. Josh Allen top ten pick, Patrick Mahomes
top fifteen pick, obviously, CJ. Stroud, Justin Herbert. I mean,
these guys were top picks. Bo Nicks last year fell
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in the draft and wod he go twelfth? So and
now you look, they've added cam Ward. The New England
Patriots have a really high pick, the Jags have a
really high pick. Even some of these teams that have
new quarterbacks, like the New York Jets, where did Justin
Fields get drafted? Tua first round pick whoever ends up
starting for the Colts. Both guys were top six picks.
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It's pretty insane that the Bengals missed the playoffs given
how good their offense was. Joe Burrow was the number
one overall pick. But we know this, Like the AFC's
quarterback centric led by the elites. Well, what about the
the NFC, because it's like Brock Purty late late seventh rounder,
last pick of the draft, Jalen Hurts, second rounder. He
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wally pipped Carson Wentz, who was a first round pick.
And I would say that's pretty crazy story about Jalen
Hurts because you look at the rest of the guys
in which he's competing against. I think sometimes Jared Goff,
the way we discuss him, it's like Cousins or dak
Jared Goff was the number one overall pick. Stafford Well,
they were traded for each other obviously, also the number
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one overall pick. Tampa Bay Buccaneers Baker Mayfield the number
one overall pick. The Minnesota Vikings, who last year started
Sam Darnold and he had a great year, was the
number three overall pick. This year they're going to transition
to JJ McCarthy their first round pick.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
The Green Bay Packers are led by Jordan Love, first
round pick and he was a late first round pick.
The Commanders, who's everyone's buying stock on number two overall pick.
My point is I'm not gonna go team by team.
Most of these guys Michael Pennix, Bryce Young, Caleb Williams.
Like what Dak Prescott and specifically Brock Purty are is
their outliers if you want to find your quarterback. And
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this is why the Browns made the trade, this is
why the Rams traded back. You know, if you're going
to get a franchise quarterback, ninety percent of the time
he's going to come in the first round. Because if
you look around the league, the teams that make the
playoffs and even the teams that don't with the young guys,
most of these guys are first round picks. If you
are forced to start a third, four to fifth rounder,
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typically it doesn't go well. Typically you are looking to
transition really, really quick. So it's exciting when these guys
get drafted. Dylan Gabriel in the third, Jalen Milroe in
the third, Tyler Shuck who's thirty seven years old in
the second round pick. Guess what, most of these guys
are not going to be starting quarterbacks in the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (13:37):
A couple other quick things is One huge advantage the
good teams have is their ability to feel comfortable taking
character red flags, and we talked about it yesterday on
the Mailbag. Character red flags come in a lot of
different shapes and sizes. It's easy when a guy like
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Baker may Field gets arrested in Fayeteville, Arkansas, it's like
whoa or a guy gets a DUI right before the draft,
Or you've had issues with women that are tangible, concrete,
like they have had an incident, and then there are
just issues that are kind of hard to quantify. A
lot of teams are hesitant to just leak information because
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it feels like they're shitting on a guy. But it's like, yeah,
we just it hasn't been a smooth transition during this
guy's time in the program.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
For a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Not an awful guy, but not the best guy, not reliable.
We got to be on him to study. And you
always ask yourself, and this is what scouting departments do.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Is it just maturity? Is it just he's young. I
I'm sure, like many.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Of you, needed to grow up a lot at eighteen, nineteen,
twenty twenty one years old.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And I, like many of you, was not.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
A future first, second, or third round pick in the
NFL draft. So I completely understand how some of these
guys it's a major question mark. And the thing is
you never know. Sometimes you get a guy like this
is one of my favorite stories since I've been.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Doing this is the Honey Badger. Now.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I think we look at weed a lot different now
than we did ten years ago. When I was in
high school, you had to go behind the burger king.
It was actually the McDonald's. The burger king there. It
was in the shopping center. The McDonald's like backed up
to this car dealership and this empty dirt lot. It's
usually where you'd meet the weed dealer. Now they arrive
to your front door and you give them a credit
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card any.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Door dash it. So times have changed.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
But the honey Badger got kicked out of LSU for
the synthetic weed, and most people had him as a
major red flag. It's why he was one of the
best players in college football, if not the top two
or three program at the time and ends up going
in the third round. And since then he's been a
team captain everywhere he's been as Bruce Arians and Patrick
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Peterson once said, he's the heartbeat of our team. That's
when he was young. Then he went to the Texans,
he went to the Chiefs. I remember I had a
buddy with the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
He's like, he's my favorite player on the team. This
is when they had Patrick Mahomes. They fucking love the guy.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
So you never know, and we have a lot of
stories that go the opposite way. You know, something weird
happened and then things stay weird. So you never know
how human beings are going to mature. But a lot
of teams, if they have a young squad, if they
have an impressionable squad, they're hesitant to bring those guys
in the locker room. It's a huge advantage for good
teams like the Ravens. They can take on problems because
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they are equipped with the guys they already have in
the locker room. Same with the chiefs Andy Reid can
take a guy. The two guys he drafted made some
teams uncomfortable. He doesn't hesitate, why because what are you
gonna do? Act like an idiot. It's like, well, Travis Kelsey,
Patrick Mahomes, Creed Humphrey, I mean Kolowskis McDuffie, Like, they
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got a bunch of high level dudes who have rings.
So you're just gonna like show up late. It's not
gonna fly. It's why so many teams and Jalen Carter
was plummeting down the draft board. He was the best
player in the draft. No one even disputed that. You
could argue he's been the best most talented player in
a draft the last three years non quarterback. I actually
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might not even be close. He would have been obviously.
I think cam Ward goes this year no matter what,
because how desperate the Titans were for a quarterback. But
he would have been the easiest number two pick in
recent memory if the off the field. But there was
an issue where someone dies in a car. There are
already other issues that there's like make teams uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
The Eagles, who.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Were equipped with Brandon Graham, Fletcher Cox, Jason Kelce who
literally were just gonna be around him every day at
practice because O line, D line, and obviously the D
line when they spend time together. It was like, I
think we're gonna be Okay. It's a risk, but it's
a risk worth taking. And we've equipped our team with
a bunch of high level cats. And it's actually, like
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we talked about Fred Warner and Kittle, because of the
positions they play, in Saquon Barkley, they don't cost nearly
as much as like second tier wide receivers or second
tier I mean the Chiefs, who I like the player,
but signed the forty nine ers backup tackle and gave
him fifteen million dollars a year. That's the going rate. Like,
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that's just what it costs, you know, if you just
want like an.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Average wide receiver, like I.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Think what the Jags give Diami Brown ten million dollars,
I mean, would google his production over the course of
his career. So you just like the cost of certain
positions are just extremely expensive.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I need some backyard.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Furniture right now, the shittiest stuff, I mean, and we
bought originally some bad stuff. It's completely broken down. Was
not cheap. You want decent stuff, You're like, it's gonna cut.
It's got how much for a chair, how much for
an outdoor couch?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
It blows your mind. But that's if you want it.
That's what it costs. If you want a.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Pass rusher in the open market, you gotta give Milton Williams,
who who played I think fifty percent of the snaps again,
let me repeat fifty percent of this next to the
best young defensive tackle in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
It got twenty six million dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I mean, even the Panthers who wanted them badly were like, yeah,
we're out.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
That's kind of crazy. And the Patriots knew it. They
just had to overpay again him.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
And right now, some of the best team's big advantages.
They can take some swings on character because they're equipped
for it, and a lot of the bad teams have
to pass on it. And it's why like when some
of the bad teams, you know, I think people were
uncomfortable with the Tennessee pass rusher peers, not like super
bad guy, but just some things that in the scouting
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community just you know, raise alarms, right, and I think
in that situation, like, are the Atlanta Falcons equipped to
handle that a team full of young cats who have
never won anything, I'd say no. And last, but not least,
I'm fascinated by this is college football. I mean, last
year Michigan had thirteen players drafted, and then they had
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a god awful season this year relative to their standard
because their quarterback play might as well have had me playing.
Still had what three guys go in the top fifteen.
I mean, their talent that Harbaughs assembled was eye opening.
And then Ohio State goes on the run. They have
fourteen players drafted that lead the country. Their entire front
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seven essentially was drafted, their entire defensive line. You know,
their star receiver who's not even the best receiver on
the team, and probably the third receiver on the team
because sophomore who's gonna be I forget his name, but
he will be drafted next year, more likely in the
first round. And obviously Jeremiah Smith. And they had a
left tackle who's injured get drafted in the first round.
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On top of multiple running backs. And this is the thing,
and we're going to argue about this till we're blue
in the face. But we want to see the most
talented teams in the playoffs because as we've seen over
the course of the Final four and now as we've
morphed into this, if you don't have a lot of
NFL talent, you don't have a shot. I mean, what
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we saw with SMU last year, like we don't want
to see anymore. And you look, Ohio State led the
country in draft picks. Georgia was second, Texas was third,
Oregon was fourth, and the separation for college football there
always has been.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
But it's like you.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Never truly know, and listen, it's football. In a one
game scenario. Anything can happen, and that does happen during
the season, right especially like Week two, Week three, you
never know a big upset can happen. I do think
it's going to be much more difficult in the first
round of the playoffs. Usually get two or three weeks off,
the best team has the home playoff game, and you're
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just at a.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Huge, huge disadvantage.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
So listen, I'm an Ohio State hater, not because I
don't think the program is elite, Not because I don't
think that program isn't setting the bar in terms of
NFL talent.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I just need someone to root against, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And I was a Jim Harbaugh guy. He hated Ryan Day.
Not the biggest chipcare and I.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Just rooted against him.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
But I do appreciate and have to acknowledge how well
run they are and they listen. The one thing Ryan
Day has done since the moment, and this is where
we have seen other guys fall off a cliff. We
saw it with Helfridge and chip Kelly. Chip Kelly took
it from Bellotti and he took it the next step
up at Oregon, and then chip Kelly leaves. They hire
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Health Fridge, and for a couple of years because they
were rolling, they stayed good and then over the course
of a couple more fell apart. And you see it
with Dan Lanning, like Mario, not a great coach, he
could recruit. Landing gets there a better coach, but he
maintains the recruiting and that program is going to be
consistently in the top two or three moving forward, right,
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And obviously Kirby smart and what Jim harbaughd accomplished and
Ryan Day, Sark has blown me away. You know the
difference between Sark and Ryan Day is Ryan Day took
over a program that was rolling once you know, Urban
tapped out with the hard issues after his wide receiver
coach was doing some weird shit. Stark took over a
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program three or four years ago that was a joke,
like they did not have much talent, they were not
getting guys drafted. Now, he's always been a good recruiter,
but the game change when nil came into play. And
obviously Texas has the money, but they are going to
be right there with Ohio State and Oregon as a
major factor because of their checkbook and obviously his ability
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to impact the quarterback. But when I see these four teams,
I do think that Michigan TBD TBD because you know,
filling the shoes of Jim Harbaugh. Like is he more
likely to be Ryan Day and keep it rolling or
is he more likely to be Mark Helfrich. I would
say that's a coin flip right now. And I know
they bought the quarterback, but I thought Dylan Riola I
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was sold and maybe.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I bought it a little bit. It was like next
Patrick Mahomes and I watched him.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Plays like is he even that good? It's one thing
with these transfer portal quarterbacks. It's another thing with eighteen
year old kids. That's like, this guy's gonna be like
Patrick Mahomes meets Josh Allen and then you're watching him,
it's like, why are they losing to Iowa right now?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
This kid looks.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Awful, So you never know, and I just think get
ready for the You know, the college football Playoff was
supposed to bring in some new variables, almost like the
NCAA Tournament. Well, what do we see out of the
NCUBA tournament. Top four seeds were in the final four,
and I think we're gonna consistently get that in the
college football Playoff moving forward, because the talent discrepancy is
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Speaker 2 (26:30):
Okay, we haven't done it in a couple of weeks
because of.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
The draft, but I did want to do a little
some thoughts on golf.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
We have a golo podcast.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Usually we just I mean during the majors, we just
do it solo. But I've kind of been combining it
with the football stuff. So if you're listening on the
audio version, this will be the second half of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Obviously, if you're watching.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
This, this will just be talking about golf for a
little bit, because you know, there's a big golf tournament
this week with Scotti Scheffler in it, and I do
think there's some pressure to win. We had a big
caddy news today. You know, Max Homer had broken up
with Joe Griner within the last month, and then he
goes on the bag two weeks ago for JT at
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RBC and wins and then today there was an announcement
that he's got a new bag. And then we try
to do this whenever we do a go lo at
go lo pod. Because we do the Instagram mail bag
for football, I like to include one for golf as well,
but I like to separate it. So at golopod. At
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golopod is the Instagram. If you have any golf questions,
we will bang out a bunch today. So just firing
those dms. They're wide open and fire me any question,
any thoughts that you have on your game, on the
pro game, on just shit anything, So firing there. I
did want to start with this, the CJ Cup, the
Byron Nelson at TPC Craig ranch Is this week. I mean,
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these guys, it's one of those tournaments that, like me
and you would be like the Putt putt version. They're
shooting anywhere between twenty two and twenty six under. A
couple of years ago, I think Jason Day won it
twenty three under. So these guys, these guys are good
at golf, and if the course is not that hard,
they will annihilate it. Hell you give them a hard
course and the conditions aren't up I would say fifteen
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under on a given week feels minimum. I do think
there is some pressure with how well Rory season is going.
And he's won three times obviously including the Masters, and
no one's really played better golf this year than Rory
McElroy when you look at after the Masters last year,
there was a ton of momentum for Scotti coming in
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to the PGA Championship and then he got arrested on Friday,
and still he managed to shoot I think what sixty
seven or was that Thursday? It was either Thursday. I
think it was Friday because he was playing the morning
round on Friday when it was raining. But last year
he had this magical season. But I do think the
Majors were a little underwhelming when you factor he won
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the Masters again, He's probably gonna win the Masters like
three or four times in his life. I mean, he
doesn't even play that well in the Masters.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
He top tens.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
So I mean this year, at one point you look up,
it's like, could Scotty get.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Into the playoff?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Like where does scottis chefer coming from? So it's about
playing well in the PGA, in the US Open and
the British which he feels like the type player that
should win four or five majors and win several of
the majors, right, And I don't love betting guys that
are super high favorites. It's why I got cold feet
with Rory at the Masters, and I'm kicking myself. I
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thought about going all in, but it's like you just
you get boned pretty quick at plus six fifty odds.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And then you know he won it and you're.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Like, gosh, well, I regret that one Scottish chef for
going in this weekend is plus two to eighty, which
is insane. Gambling was I don't know where Phil was
making his golf bets in the early two thousands, but
it would have been much more difficult. You had to
know the right people like Billy Walters to get involved
in those markets. Obviously. Now it's with our friends at DraftKings.
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It's very very easy, and we have data now over
the last three or four years.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Like, you know, you are.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
A really good player if you're ten to one to
win a golf tournament and you're playing against one hundred.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And fifty other guys.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Scotti Scheffler is currently plus two to eighty. I mean
that's freaking insane.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And I kind of like it.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
He hasn't. He didn't play this event last year. Now,
part of it was he won the Masters and then
he won the RBC the next week, so he took
a couple weeks off before the PGA. I do wonder
if he feels desperate. It's the wrong word, but just
in need of like a mojo victory. You look at
the strength of field.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
In this tournament. It ain't great.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I mean, Jordan Spieth is the second favorite. I think
at eighteen to one. You got guys like Sun JM.
Tell me the last time Sun JM won a golf
tournament and tell me what that tournament was. You'd be
hard pressed to figure that out one out.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So like, this is not.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Xander and you know the normal and Rory and the
normal cast of characters. The JT's their battle in this week.
I do think Scotty Scheffler wins. He played it two
years ago. He finished fifth, but he was only three
shots off the lead when Jason Day wanted at twenty
three under.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
He finished at twenty.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I am going to have exposure on Scotti Scheffler to
win it, probably an uncomfortable amount of money, because that's
what you have to bet to.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
You know, I'm approaching like a football game, what I
would bet if I liked the team, just straight up
against another. That's how I viewed Scotti Scheffler this weekend.
Against the field. I think he wins plus two eighty
again bold moving golf, but I think that's the play.
You know, A couple of weeks ago, we had been
on Justin Thomas for this year. He had been playing really,
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really good golf. The only reason I wasn't more all
over him when it came to the Masters because I'd
been burned by him before. So it was one of
those where it's like I was a big believer in
Justin Thomas. He had I think he had three top
ten finishes going into the Masters, but I'd seen that
song and dance and to me, like he might win
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it one day. I will not be on that. It
just feels like one of those course fits that is
just not for him. But like the way he was playing,
it's like, this guy's.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Gonna win a golf tournament. Now. Did I think he
was gonna win with the RBC? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
That tournament can be weird obviously was a loaded field
beside Rory, and you know, it turned out to be
basically a match play event down the stretch between him
and Andrew Novak, who I guess is pretty online and
a lot of people like him and seems like a
really really good player. But JT wins an extra holes,
hits a long putt. As he told Joe Griner when
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he was walking up, you know, I've never really hit
a long walk off putt to win a golf tournament.
And he just won his sixteenth PGA event, which is
pretty insane. I mean he's already multiple majors, fifteen plus wins.
I mean, he's a Hall of Famer for his career.
End of today kind of when you look at the
big picture, it's not like he's forty two years old, he's
thirty two. If he could get to twenty plus wins
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and win another major, like pretty historic stuff by Justin Thomas,
really cool moment and a guy who now I don't
think there was that much question before the RBC.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I mean one Locke ryder Cup.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I think he was one of the more polarizing guys
two years ago, and rightfully so. The way that all
went down, now it's like, you want Justin Thomas on
this team. I think the only question mark is like
what about his boy? What about his running mate? Like
is jordan' spe still good? Justin Thomas definitely is. But
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the big news that weekend was his caddie was out
because he had a back injury, and he wins with
Joe Griner, Max homes old guy, Scott Stale guy, and
after the event, because I thought, well, I don't know
the relationship between JT and his current caddie, but anytime
you win for the first time in years, it's a
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really big deal. Actually in the fashion which he won it,
and as he hits the putt in South Carolina, you
see Grinder, you know, kind of behind him throw the pin.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It was a sweet moment.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
It was cool, and I just assume, like I just
bet that he goes with this guy moving forward.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Wouldn't blame him.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
And then he announced its like no, like, my guy's healthy,
he'll be back, and Grinder's not gonna be my full
time caddy. And then today, you know, sometimes when I'm
driving around, I'm a big serious XM guy. Love my
Mad Dog Radio, like my Channel eighty five, which a
lot of times, like Pro Football Talk eighty six. Sometimes
just NBA Radio, but it's got some old heads to
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just talk a bunch of shit PGA Radio, and I
listened to it a lot, especially when Sleeves and Colt Nohost.
I think my time is ten to noon, maybe it's
nine to eleven. I don't know the exact time, but
I feel like I'm in the car a lot when
those guys are on. And Colt came out and said, like,
I got some crazy breaking news, and Drew was like
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what he was like, Colin Morrikawa has fired as caddy
and he is going to hire Joe Grinder full time. Now,
you know, Max Holmer and Colin Morrikawa to cal Bears,
they are different ages. They they didn't play together, but
two years ago, once Dustin left for Live, they became
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a combination in the team events, right, So they played
together in the President's Cup, so Marikawa who clearly just
has a relationship because they played together, or I mean
they went to the same college, so that just kind
of bonds you, I don't care who you are. Then
they started playing together in these team events, and obviously
Max for a period of time is one of the
better players right there with Colin. They just know each
(35:41):
other pretty well. And when you see this, it's.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Like, I get it.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Sometimes in business you got to be pretty cold blooded.
And I understand Colin hasn't won in a couple of years,
but he has been really good and he has been
making a ton of money. And the success that he
had with with JJ as current caddy, well, I guess
no longer was pretty unreal. I mean, they won a
couple of majors together. They have made so much freaking money.
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And I would imagine more information on this eventually leaks
or comes out, but whenever I have, whenever you see
a headline of like they have decided to part ways,
that feels like when the interviewer asked Belichick, it's like,
you know, Robert Kraft said you were fired, and Belichick
was like, I wasn't fired.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I quit.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
It was mutual, Like no, no, Bill, you were fired.
They paid you to go away, which is a badge.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Of honor in society.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
You were paid twenty million dollars not to work, aka
the American dream. But you don't quit or leave calling
more cows back.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
So it was clear.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
You know, Marikawa, who's been in the news a little
this year, like fighting the media and refusing to talk.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I mean, this is.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Business, so I don't listen. You gotta make only you
know truly that relationship. But I think most people would
say if you, unless you have the inside knowledge, would
be like, this is a pretty cold blooded move, even
if you could argue like Joe Grinder probably one of
the better caddies you know on the PGA tour and
a guy that most people thought two weeks ago, like
JT just hire him full time. So like from a
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in a vacuum, not that crazy you would want Joe
Grinder on your back, but when you factor in like
how much success those two guys have had.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Pretty nuts.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
But I guess when you're in the caddy world that's
kind of the uh. You know, you're at the whim
of the player and if he ever has an issue
with you, you know, you think about wherever you work
and whatever you do for a living, how you know
you just careful the way you treat and your reaction
to whoever your you know, superior is the guy that
owns the company, whoever hired you. I can't even imagine
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the you know, the superiority that the player holds over
the caddy. Even if you become really really good friends,
and obviously we.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Have some of those. We had that with Max and Joe.
I think you have that with Joel, Damon and Gino. Uh.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
But at the end of the day, like you know,
Stevie Williams, I'm pretty sure it was Tiger's best man
in his wedding, and Stevie was like, after Tiger took
that seven iron to the face, like he fired me.
You know, it's bones and Phil had a pretty ugly
public breakup. I mean, these things happen in this sport,
and it's pretty crazy, especially now with how much money
is on the line for the player. Let's get some
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questions at golopod. At golopod is the Instagram here we go.
Not a paid sponsor, just a Bryson fan. He's tearing
up this course right now. First time really tuning in.
This was when did this happen?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
This was this week?
Speaker 1 (38:48):
The broadcast is really solid, no commercial shotguns, start with
virtual virtually no interruptions, just major winner to major winner
with Ferrety commentating all to say this this thing is
a lot better watch than I thought. Give it a
try side by side with the website. I've watched it,
like just in terms of if a guy's playing well,
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it can be enjoyable to just watch a high level
player play golf, right, whether it's Jaukee Neeman, whether it's
Bryce and d Chambeau, whether it's Phil whoever DJ when
he first got there, Rom, they're good at golf, playing
golf on television, like it's cool to watch. My issue
with it, and the same thing for the PGA Tour.
The reason I watched the PGA Tour is because, like
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there are real stakes, like winning a tournament gets you
into the majors. Winning a tournament if you were Andrew
Novak and you beat Justin Thomas two weeks ago in
the RBC, has real implications.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Jaukee Neeman wins again, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (39:52):
I just my issue with this, Like why have I
been glued to the NBA playoffs because there's a lot
on the line, there's a history. But you know, like
if the Lakers and Lebron and Luca lose in the
first round, we understand what that means. When you win
on LIV, I just think it means nothing.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
That's my issue.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
The outcome, Yes, them playing individual golf like if Ron
plays a hole and he's on, it will look incredible.
I think I saw a clip online he drew.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
He he drove a hole. It was four hundred yards.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Like he's he's unreal, like he is when he's on,
he's I'm sure still one of the best players in
the world. But like whether he wins at Live or
finishes sixth or third or tenth, it doesn't matter. Like
they're just playing for a lot of money, which is cool,
But like I could get my buddies and convince someone
to play for a couple hundred dollars a hole or
(40:49):
a thousand dollars. I could find someone in Scottsdale that
would play me a thousand dollars a hole. I mean,
it's just that's essentially what they're doing at a really,
really high level for millions of dollars. We're in the
PGA Tour like they're a real Like if Andrew Novak
wins that tournament, like he's into all the majors, is
it just me? Or is the US Ryder Cup headed
for trouble. I realize it's early, but I look at
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the probable teams this year and I don't see how
we can match up with the europe The only advantage
that I can find is that we play at home.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
To me, their lineup is.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Much better at the top and much deeper. They have
Rory Hovelin, who's playing better Ludwig and fill out with
other players like Shane Lowry, Rose Hatton, Rom Fleetwood. To me,
that's going to destroy any team that we put out.
I would say that for the first time in a
long time, it feels like this is going to be
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really really difficult at home because if Rory maintains this
play all year long, if Rom can just find and
listen to live things out the window, these guys are
going to be on the team. I can find any form,
you know, listen, if Sergio has.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
A good year, like he will be in the mix.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Like you said, I mean, Justin Rose has played in
a million of these eleet Wood has just made to
play in these type events.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah, they're team stacked that there is no.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Arguing that their team is really freaking good, and our
team at the top is also really good. Xander healthy,
he should be fine, obviously, Scotty, you know, Justin Thomas, Colin,
Mori Kawa. But like it's not quite the same of like,
I think Bryson's gotta be on the team, which you know,
last time it was Koepka. This year is gonna be Bryson,
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which is the right move. But where it gets difficult,
it's like, who's Bryson playing with that? That's where it
gets complicated. Where a lot of these guys pretty seamless transition.
You know, historically it was like Marikawa just played.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
With Dustin Johnson and it went really well.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Right, Justin Thomas played with Jordan Speith and it went
really well. Was Jordan Spith gonna be on this team?
To me, the coolest part about the Ryder Cup is
the Kegan's the captain, so and you know how serious
he's gonna take it, but he's gonna he's got a
big challenge. I saw the President's Cup captains were named today,
Jeff Ogilvie and Snedeker. I see, I've wanted to introduce myself.
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I've seen Oglevy at the gym a million times. Looks
like a golfer, you know, it is like fifties tall, skinny,
looks like he just go out and sho like sixty seven,
always doing stretches. One takeaway from the Masters, I had
was how popular Rory actually is between the people pulling
for him on the grounds and the amount of congratulations
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he received from non golf athletes and celebrities. I have
buddies I didn't even know falled golf reposting stuff about Rory.
People keep saying Bryson is so popular, which he obviously is,
but I don't think it's even close to Rory. Wonder
if you felt the same way watching well, the advantage
(43:45):
Like I've seen this.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Right, the NBA is back.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Look at the ratings. Well, yeah, Lebron James plays on
the Lakers, the biggest brand, and their numbers are huge.
If the Lakers are in the playoffs, and especially so
when they got a star and now they got Luca,
a lot of people are gonna watch. It's like you
put the Yankees in the playoffs or the Dodgers. Everyone's watching, Well,
who's the second most famous player? And honestly, it's like
one A and one B. Steph freaking Curry. What do
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both have in common? Lebron James has been in my life.
I'm forty years old, since I was a teenager. Me
and him are the same exact age and same class
in high school. Steph Curry has been in my life
since I was in college and he was a Davison
taking down Kansas. So part of becoming like stardom is longevity.
We have a lot of guys, and I don't mean
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it like this. Some of the biggest songs of our
lifetime I think would fall under one hit wonders and those.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Are a really big deal.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
But the biggest bands and most famous musicians are ones
that have countless hits. The Rolling Stones are the Rolling
Stones because they have a big catalog and they've also
been around for fifty years. Metallica a lot of big
time songs also been around since the eighties. There are
bands that are big right now, just like rap artists
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or country music stars that if you haven't been around
as long, you're not gonna be as big as other
people in your genre. That are Doctor dre and Garth Brooks.
So Rory has been in people's sporting people's vernacular for
fifteen plus years. And one thing I think we naturally
love is when you fail. Part of and I think
(45:25):
this helps Lamar and Josh Allen stardom going up against
Patrick Mahomes is their inability to beat the guy like
that adds to the story. That's all this stuff is
is its reality television show. And as I've learned with
Maria bravostars can make up to fifty grand an episode.
If you have fifteen episodes of season, you do the math,
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you make a lot of money. There is nothing like
professional athlete money. I was talking to a buddy, a
cousin of mine who lives in Fresno. You know, Derek
Carr and David Carr have both move back to Fresno.
You know, Derek lived in Vegas. You know, Fresno has
some really successful businessmen, people that have made a lot
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of money. People don't talk about Fresno, California like they
do like San Francisco or Palo Alto or Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
But there are some people that are really successful people there.
But most of them.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Are business owners, farmers or other business owners.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
There aren't many.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Like w two employees that have made two hundred plus
million dollars in his life. That's what Derek Carr has
made in his career. And at the end of this
season he will love Eclipse like I think, like two
hundred and thirty million dollars playing quarterback and for the
majority of his career, He's never been a top.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Ten quarterback in the NFL. He's had a.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Couple of individual seasons, but on the aggregate he is not.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
So the.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
It's like this reality television show where there's all this
money on the line and all these competitors and everyone
chasing the money. It just makes it really fascinating. And
that's what like when you're watching Rory, like his failures
along with his successes. He has just been in the
world of professional sports at a really really high level.
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I mean for almost twenty years. I mean he's I
think he's thirty five years old. I mean he started
winning big time tournaments at like twenty or twenty one
years old. It's the thing with Tiger Woods, Like Tiger
was so famous so fast, and when you do that,
you Lebron James, Bryce Harper, Michael Jordan hit the game
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winning shot in the National Championship in college, so like
when you do that, you become in the mix. I
think he was a freshman too in nineteen eighty one
or nineteen eighty two, corner on the baseline kicked it
to Michael Boom. Nothing but net So you're just like
the in the conversation if given the opportunity, would you
(47:57):
rather play around with tiger woods at Pine Valley or
play with a buddy at Augusta assuming content not able
to be shot at each course. If no content's available,
I don't even You just have to choose Augusta National
because Pine Valley, which I hope keep my fingers crossed.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
One day I'll be able to play. Who knows.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
I wouldn't count on it, but it does feel attainable.
I guess where it's like, Augusta been around a lot
of successful people that love golf that have never sniffed
getting on the course there, so to be able to say,
I mean, that's just there aren't many better conversation starters
than like I played Augusta. I played the Masters. Obviously
(48:47):
you don't mean playing during the Masters. I know what
you're saying. But you can have that conversation with anybody.
Most people in my life that if they're not big
golf people, they wouldn't even know what Pine Valley is.
So I think that without hesitation Augusta. Now if you
said I could film, because Augusta wouldn't let you film
no matter what, but I could film the Tiger woods thing.
(49:08):
Then listen, I'm a businessman. We got mouths to feed
in this family, and I would say Tiger, but no cameras,
no besides maybe like one still photo, it would be
it would be Augusta for sure. Question, I'd probably have
to choose my brother. We'd have to have a historic
round of gambling on that on that day we done.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Me and him have done I think like fifty dollars
a hole.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Maybe even when you do that, though, and if you're
similar golfers, unless you do like carryovers, it's pretty easy
to basically not lose that much. Question for the pod,
I firmly believe now that Rory has completed the Grand Slam,
he won a major for the first time in a
decade and got the monkey off his back, that now
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he can go on a run, rattle off another major
this year, win four or five more tournaments, and surpass
Scotty as the world number one. Thoughts, you know, I
think the world number one. Let's face it, the world
rankings are kind of stupid now, you know. If the
live guy's all gone, not really playing in sanctioned events,
it's hard to kind of quantify it. You just kind
of know, like who are the best players in the world, Scotty,
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Rory Bryson, you know Xander until the rib injury, you
would have set him to But like that's the crew
right now and you just know it when you see it.
And like this year, right now, Rory McElroy is the
best player. He's not the number one player in the world,
but in twenty twenty five he's clearly the best player.
That can change, but like that's a fact, and so
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I don't know if he can surpass them. How many
tournaments you have to win? Like what if Scotty also
wins a tournament or two, you know, he probably maintained
that that spot. But to me, if Rory wins, I mean,
if he were to win another major this year, even
if he doesn't win another tournament and wins two elevated
events in two majors, I think that would be better
(51:03):
than the version of in assuming then he would win
the FedEx Cup, though they have changed.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Kind of the format on that.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
I refuse to like look too much into it at
too much going on last week, But that thing's going
to look a lot different this year, I think, or
maybe it's for twenty twenty six, but yeah, I mean,
I think Rory can swing back for sure. In fairness,
like Scotty legitimately was the best player in the world
last year. You know, I know Xander got hot in
the two Majors, but on the totality, it wasn't really
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that close. What's going on with the Gala been following
him over the last couple of years and really thought
after last year he was primed for a breakout year
and has really struggled. Any thoughts, I'm with you. As
a gambler, I take him in some parlays and he's
really fucked me. I mean, there's no way he's blown
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a couple I think like fifteen to twenty to one
parlays that would have won me a couple grand over
the course of the year because he has been bad.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
I but you know, the way I.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Do this is I take a couple of screenshots so
it's easy for me to so I kind of looked
after I saw your question. He's never been a very
accurate driver of the golf ball, so why when he
almost won at TBC Scottsdale. Listen, I play there. I
was actually gonna go out today and hit some balls,
but you could.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Spray it around.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
It's not I wouldn't call it exactly the you know,
Hilton Head, You're like, you've got to be super accurate
off the tea, and looking at some of the statistics,
he's not accurate off the tea at all. And when
you're not accurate off the tea, like you have problems.
But like one thing that he used to be is
like incredible.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
Around the greens.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
And I don't know, you know, I think sometimes in golf,
a guy can look good and there's not as much
pressure on him, and then we go he's gonna take
the next step when it's really hard to do that.
And I would imagine you start feeling that as a player,
right you come on the scene, it's like, God, I'm
pretty good. And listen, he's googled Thigala in college. I mean,
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this guy was a blue chipper, like a stud. So
this the equivalent of Thigala in the NFL, Like he's
a top ten pick. But you know, sometimes after you
really settle down on the PGH, I do think it
becomes difficult because then you've got expectations, people are looking
at you.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
You start playing some future groups. He's a fan favorite.
He's very likable. You know people are pulling for you.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
And I think the difficult part about golf, Like in football,
if I'm struggling, like I could just be like I'm
gonna go fucking hit someone hard. I'm just gonna go
make a play, right.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
And in golf you can't.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Like the harder you try, sometimes the worse you are.
And again I'm guessing, but I'm just a fan of
the guy and he's been awful. I think when you
spray it around a little bit too, and this is
like justin Thomas. I think one way to really validate
like an awesome season is to truly be in the mix,
either at the PGA, which he's obviously had a lot
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of success or the British I don't really like him
at the US Open because he's not that accurate off
the tea. So this year he's putted a lot different better,
but like, I trust his iron game. If he's in
the middle of the fairway, he's as good as anybody
around the green. I mean, he's just a wizard with
his wedges and if he's putting well, like he's a
really good but off the t he's just not that accurate,
and I think sometimes when you're a little guy and
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you're swinging out of your shoes, even with today's technology,
you like the bal can fly all over the place.
Like part of what, why is Ludvig not that inaccurate
off the tea because it doesn't look like he's swinging
that hard. I would say the same thing for DJ
in the peak of his career, like he was really
accurate off the tea. Well, it's like he's built like
a Carson Palmer. He just I mean, he technically is
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swing hard relative to everyone else, but it does not
look like he's trying that hard. Where when you watchusin
Thomas and it's a five hundred yard part four, he
like me or you, is swinging out of our shoes
in the margin for error. I mean, why Tiger early
on his career spray.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
The ball over the place?
Speaker 1 (55:02):
No one has ever swung his hard. Now the gall
is taller, but he just it does feel like he
sprays the ball a lot looking at the statistics.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Okay, last question.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Bryson is taking quite a bit of heat for his
post round interview after the final round of the Masters
in regards to the comments made about Rory not speaking
to him.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
The entire day.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
Even Rich Eisen had a segment about it with Shipnuk
where he blasted him a little bit. I think the
whole thing is overblown. The guy had to talk to
the media right after shooting seventy five in the final
round of the Masters. I'm sure he was pissed about
his performance and considering he was in the mix to
start the day. The way I see it, nothing Bryson
said implied the way he was upset about the fact
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that Rory didn't talk to him.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
He just said that he didn't.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
This is a nothing burger story. Do you have any
thoughts on the situation. Well, I think I'm with you
in you know, the one thing where more Cow isn't
totally wrong is when you just get off the golf
course usually, you know, especially the way Augusta does it,
they have that interview. If you're not going in with
Van Pelt, you just interview there right there on the grass.
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And that's where Bryson did his. Is you basically just
walk off and you talk immediately. And it's one thing
when you win and your daughter, your girlfriend, your mom,
or it's a fucking party. When you shoot seventy five
and you just go I just blew the masters, because
that's You're right, He's just kind of not in a
great mood.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
And I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
I didn't see the question that was asked, did he
volunteer that? Or it's like what were your interactions with him?
Like one, Tiger Woods became a legend, not just because
he was kicking everyone's ass, but a lot like Michael
Jordan was the way.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
He kicked everyone's ass.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
He didn't have any friends on the PGA tour, he
didn't talk with anyone on the PGA tour, he didn't
fratnize with anybody. Tony Fenale famously said in twenty nineteen
like it was like whole three or four. Tony was
like trying to just break the ice on Sunday, like, Tiger,
how are the kids? Tiger basically said fine and never
even looked at him and kept walking. Tony's like, I'm
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not saying another word of this guy.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
And it was a.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
Throwback and historically, like that's the way Tiger became the
most famous golfer of all time. Operating and Rory, who
does feel a little more chit chatty, like what's he
supposed to say to Bryson, especially given their history last year,
like this was a big time moment for the guy's
career and unlike Bryson, I don't want to say make
or break Rory, but there was a lot of There
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was way more.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
In the line for Rory than Bryson, and so I listen.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
I think it's stupid that we even like sometimes people
in golf don't want to talk sometimes, like Jimmy Butler
talking with Dylan Brooks.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Like guys talk shit to each other.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
It's like, welcome to Draymond Green and Jalen Green screaming
at each.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
Other the other day.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
It's like, this is sports, guys. This isn't like an
interaction at the local FedEx. It's like everyone has calmed
down being nice to each other. Like this, emotions are high.
People like spend a lot of time prepared for this
is their test the game, and sometimes you're pissed off,
you know, and everyone handles that better.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
I think it's Rory didn't owe him to talk to him.
I don't even think Bryson is like offended by it.
What does Bryson want to bullshit about?
Speaker 2 (58:15):
What? Like Rory's kids, Rory's how.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
He overcame the potential divorce that got back together, Like
what did they did they go to marriage counseling?
Speaker 2 (58:22):
Like is that what he's asking him about? Is he
asking him about?
Speaker 1 (58:25):
Like, hey man, how many times do YouTube my bunker
shot at Pinehurst?
Speaker 2 (58:28):
So I'm with you, total.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
No one cares that actually matters, and I don't blame
Rory and I think he needs a channel more of that.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Just become a complete asshole on Sundays. It's one thing.
Thursday or Friday be a little weird.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
I would say, But Sunday at the Masters with his
felt like the entire way to the world on Rory's shoulders.
Now listen, Bryson had a little house money. If Bryson
beats him, it would be like the old mid ownage
of a guy like this is insane.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Rison beat you again. So I think part of it was.
I think a huge element was that.
Speaker 1 (59:09):
And like if Rory had played with Shane Lowry, yeah,
they probably talk.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Frory had played with Xander, they probably bullshit a little.
When we say.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
Bullshitting, like you're just standing next to a guy for
five hours, You're eventually gonna say some stuff. I think
this one like totally. I don't think most of us
would have said a word either.
Speaker 3 (59:29):
The volume
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
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with George Kittle. And you know there are a couple
positions right now in the NFL. When you have a
star player, it's really easy to do business with them.
Like the Eagles gave Saquon bark a contract extension after
giving him a big contract last year, and they didn't
even have to think long and hard about it. Why
(03:09):
because he plays running back and ultimately it doesn't cost
that much guaranteed money. George Kittle, who if he stays
healthy a couple more years, is gonna be one of
the better players I don't know in the last thirty
forty years for the forty nine ers, and clearly they
have had a lot of Hall of Fame, high end
Pro Bowl level players. But when they extended Trent Williams
(03:32):
last year and they got into a contract hold out
staring contest. A couple of years ago, nick Bosa held out.
They've had Ayuk hold out And I wouldn't put Ayuk
on the level of Trent and Nick Bosa. But these
contracts are very complicated. You know, Trent Williams at thirty
five years old wanted like sixty five million dollars guaranteed.
Brandon Ayuk was catching seventy five balls a year and
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got seventy five million dollars guaranteed. Nick Bosa at the
time got like one hundred and twenty million million dollars guaranteed.
That these contracts are enormous. Yet when you play tight end,
it's like, here's forty million dollars guaranteed. You're a six
time Pro bowler, multiple time All Pro. Here you go,
It's like, yeah, sign on the dotted line and you
(04:14):
get such a discount. And the reality is with guys
like George Kittle, and I would say this iteration of
the forty nine ers in twenty twenty five for the
next couple of years, the heartbeat of the team when
everyone's healthy is George Kittle, and is Fred Warner.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And those are the type guys.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
That winning teams build their team around one they do
everything well, like George Kittle is a throwback at the position,
and listen, I have nothing against these tight ends that
do not block, that are dominant receivers. That's their skill set,
and good teams utilize players positive attributes. Most guys, even
(04:52):
if they try to block, cannot why most people can't
even slow down Miles Garrett, TJ. Watt these type guys.
But George is a great blocker, and he's also a
dominant player with the ball in his hands, and there's
a contact level to the way in which he plays,
which honestly sometimes is like George just go out of bounds,
(05:13):
but he will turn down going out of bounds to
look up field to try to take out three guys,
and that sets the tone for the team. And there's
a positive energy in which he brings. I've seen him
practice for six seven years. Obviously he's one of the
frontmen in terms of giving press conferences, and there's just
an overall positive energy that the guy brings to your team.
(05:34):
And I think Rob Gronkowski did this for a long
period of time, and I think he's the closest version
of that in terms of being a total package. You know,
Travis is a different type player, right, dominant receiver, doesn't
bring much as a blocker, but just in terms of
positive energy and someone that the Chiefs have relied on
(05:55):
to be a heartbeat of the squad, like it's kind
of important, and the type player that ever everyone in
the organization looks up to, the way he practices, the
way he works, how serious he takes football.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
How competitive he is.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And here's the thing, like his competitiveness, like a lot
of elite players in the NFL is unreal on Sunday,
but being a great player in the NFL is about
Monday through Saturday. How hard you work, how serious you
take your preparation, how serious you take your recovery. And
that's what these teams don't hesitate to break off. And
it's much easier a lot like Saquan when the numbers
(06:30):
are minuscule compared to some of these other positions, which
you can't convince me that. Obviously, justin Jefferson and Jamar
Chase one hundred percent totally understand their value is bigger
than George Kittle. But George Kittle will make way less
guaranteed money than Brandon Ayuk. I don't get it. And
you can tell me, well, that's the market, that's the position. Well,
(06:53):
they both play on the same team, and one guy
is a better player, and he was a better player
even in Brandon.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I Yuke's breakout year.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
So I feel for these guys like Fred Warner and
George Kittle that see players who are good players get
all this money and you go, but I'm better And
if all positions were equal, this would not be a
fair fight. So the forty nine ers now listen, there's
risk that comes with this. He's an older player. He's
(07:21):
been banged up over the course of his career. Even
though he's been really durable these last several years. The
way in which he plays is conducive to taking a
lot of shots and taking a lot of physical punishments.
Now like this is the pros and one thing Kyle
does a really good job of is manage his elite
players in practice. I mean, he's not asking George to
(07:43):
lay it all on the line in the middle of August.
But they're very dependent on this guy in his career.
I would say change back dramatically for the better. Once
Perdy got installed and has been a big reason obviously
over the course of Kyle Shanan's career for the forty
nine ers offensive dominance, not just in the run game
where he's an elite blocker and basically like a six
(08:05):
offensive lineman, but his just game changing plays in the
past game. And I'm just as a fan of football,
even if I wasn't you know form, you know, from
northern California and rooted and watched the Niners as closely
as I have my entire life. George Kittle's everything that
I love about football. Uh, speaking about, you know, quarterback play,
I'm guilty of this, and especially during the draft, it's
(08:28):
easy to become enthralled with the quarterbacks because guys get
drafted in the sixth and seventh round and they're some
of the most famous guys in the draft. Will Howard
was just the starting quarterback for the team that won
the national championship. Riley Leonard was just the starting quarterback
for freaking Notre Dame that rattled off some of the
biggest wins I would say of this century. In the program,
(08:49):
and those guys go late in the draft, so we
talk so much about obviously, those guys, at least we
acknowledge like you get drafted in the six or seventh round,
you're starting as a backup.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
But sometimes we talk about guys.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
After the first round is like this guy might be.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
His starter, this guy, keep an eye on this guy.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Well, I started looking around the league because I'm guilty
of it too. It's like, well, Jaln Milroe, if his
accuracy improves a little bit, you know, Mike McDonald, they
only got you know, Sam Donald, they get out after
a year. He's been around Lamar Jackson. I'm not comparing
him to Lamar Jackson because Lamar is obviously a better thrower,
even at the same point in time in their career.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
But it's like, clearly, you draft this guy high, you
like him.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Look around the NFL, most guys like because I think
Perty has really changed the conversation. It's like you found
him in the seventh round.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
He's an all time outlier.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
The reason we talk about Tom Brady pickne forever is
because that's never happening again, Like that's not normal. Look
at his direct rival was the number.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
One overall pick.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Look at some of his peers also during the time
in which he played Aaron Rodgers first round pick Ben
Roethlisberger first round pick, Philip Rivers first round pick. They
had some wars with Baltimore and Joe Flacco first round
pick toward the end of his career, Patrick Mahomes first
(10:14):
round pick. And then I just looked in the NFL,
like look at the AFC. Every single quarterback that made
the playoffs last year first round pick, most of them
really high pick. Josh Allen top ten pick, Patrick Mahomes
top fifteen pick, obviously, CJ. Stroud, Justin Herbert. I mean,
these guys were top picks. Bo Nicks last year fell
(10:34):
in the draft and wod he go twelfth? So and
now you look, they've added cam Ward. The New England
Patriots have a really high pick, the Jags have a
really high pick. Even some of these teams that have
new quarterbacks, like the New York Jets, where did Justin
Fields get drafted? Tua first round pick whoever ends up
starting for the Colts. Both guys were top six picks.
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It's pretty insane that the Bengals missed the playoffs given
how good their offense was. Joe Burrow was the number
one overall pick. But we know this, Like the AFC's
quarterback centric led by the elites. Well, what about the
the NFC, because it's like Brock Purty late late seventh rounder,
last pick of the draft, Jalen Hurts, second rounder. He
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wally pipped Carson Wentz, who was a first round pick.
And I would say that's pretty crazy story about Jalen
Hurts because you look at the rest of the guys
in which he's competing against. I think sometimes Jared Goff,
the way we discuss him, it's like Cousins or dak
Jared Goff was the number one overall pick. Stafford Well,
they were traded for each other obviously, also the number
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one overall pick. Tampa Bay Buccaneers Baker Mayfield the number
one overall pick. The Minnesota Vikings, who last year started
Sam Darnold and he had a great year, was the
number three overall pick. This year they're going to transition
to JJ McCarthy their first round pick.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
The Green Bay Packers are led by Jordan Love, first
round pick and he was a late first round pick.
The Commanders, who's everyone's buying stock on number two overall pick.
My point is I'm not gonna go team by team.
Most of these guys Michael Pennix, Bryce Young, Caleb Williams.
Like what Dak Prescott and specifically Brock Purty are is
their outliers if you want to find your quarterback. And
(12:20):
this is why the Browns made the trade, this is
why the Rams traded back. You know, if you're going
to get a franchise quarterback, ninety percent of the time
he's going to come in the first round. Because if
you look around the league, the teams that make the
playoffs and even the teams that don't with the young guys,
most of these guys are first round picks. If you
are forced to start a third, four to fifth rounder,
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typically it doesn't go well. Typically you are looking to
transition really, really quick. So it's exciting when these guys
get drafted. Dylan Gabriel in the third, Jalen Milroe in
the third, Tyler Shuck who's thirty seven years old in
the second round pick. Guess what, most of these guys
are not going to be starting quarterbacks in the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (13:37):
A couple other quick things is One huge advantage the
good teams have is their ability to feel comfortable taking
character red flags, and we talked about it yesterday on
the Mailbag. Character red flags come in a lot of
different shapes and sizes. It's easy when a guy like
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Baker may Field gets arrested in Fayeteville, Arkansas, it's like
whoa or a guy gets a DUI right before the draft,
Or you've had issues with women that are tangible, concrete,
like they have had an incident, and then there are
just issues that are kind of hard to quantify. A
lot of teams are hesitant to just leak information because
(14:20):
it feels like they're shitting on a guy. But it's like, yeah,
we just it hasn't been a smooth transition during this
guy's time in the program.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
For a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Not an awful guy, but not the best guy, not reliable.
We got to be on him to study. And you
always ask yourself, and this is what scouting departments do.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Is it just maturity? Is it just he's young. I
I'm sure, like many.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Of you, needed to grow up a lot at eighteen, nineteen,
twenty twenty one years old.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And I, like many of you, was not.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
A future first, second, or third round pick in the
NFL draft. So I completely understand how some of these
guys it's a major question mark. And the thing is
you never know. Sometimes you get a guy like this
is one of my favorite stories since I've been.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Doing this is the Honey Badger. Now.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I think we look at weed a lot different now
than we did ten years ago. When I was in
high school, you had to go behind the burger king.
It was actually the McDonald's. The burger king there. It
was in the shopping center. The McDonald's like backed up
to this car dealership and this empty dirt lot. It's
usually where you'd meet the weed dealer. Now they arrive
to your front door and you give them a credit
(15:30):
card any.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Door dash it. So times have changed.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
But the honey Badger got kicked out of LSU for
the synthetic weed, and most people had him as a
major red flag. It's why he was one of the
best players in college football, if not the top two
or three program at the time and ends up going
in the third round. And since then he's been a
team captain everywhere he's been as Bruce Arians and Patrick
(15:53):
Peterson once said, he's the heartbeat of our team. That's
when he was young. Then he went to the Texans,
he went to the Chiefs. I remember I had a
buddy with the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
He's like, he's my favorite player on the team. This
is when they had Patrick Mahomes. They fucking love the guy.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
So you never know, and we have a lot of
stories that go the opposite way. You know, something weird
happened and then things stay weird. So you never know
how human beings are going to mature. But a lot
of teams, if they have a young squad, if they
have an impressionable squad, they're hesitant to bring those guys
in the locker room. It's a huge advantage for good
teams like the Ravens. They can take on problems because
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they are equipped with the guys they already have in
the locker room. Same with the chiefs Andy Reid can
take a guy. The two guys he drafted made some
teams uncomfortable. He doesn't hesitate, why because what are you
gonna do? Act like an idiot. It's like, well, Travis Kelsey,
Patrick Mahomes, Creed Humphrey, I mean Kolowskis McDuffie, Like, they
(16:51):
got a bunch of high level dudes who have rings.
So you're just gonna like show up late. It's not
gonna fly. It's why so many teams and Jalen Carter
was plummeting down the draft board. He was the best
player in the draft. No one even disputed that. You
could argue he's been the best most talented player in
a draft the last three years non quarterback. I actually
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might not even be close. He would have been obviously.
I think cam Ward goes this year no matter what,
because how desperate the Titans were for a quarterback. But
he would have been the easiest number two pick in
recent memory if the off the field. But there was
an issue where someone dies in a car. There are
already other issues that there's like make teams uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
The Eagles, who.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Were equipped with Brandon Graham, Fletcher Cox, Jason Kelce who
literally were just gonna be around him every day at
practice because O line, D line, and obviously the D
line when they spend time together. It was like, I
think we're gonna be Okay. It's a risk, but it's
a risk worth taking. And we've equipped our team with
a bunch of high level cats. And it's actually, like
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we talked about Fred Warner and Kittle, because of the
positions they play, in Saquon Barkley, they don't cost nearly
as much as like second tier wide receivers or second
tier I mean the Chiefs, who I like the player,
but signed the forty nine ers backup tackle and gave
him fifteen million dollars a year. That's the going rate. Like,
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that's just what it costs, you know, if you just
want like an.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Average wide receiver, like I.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Think what the Jags give Diami Brown ten million dollars,
I mean, would google his production over the course of
his career. So you just like the cost of certain
positions are just extremely expensive.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I need some backyard.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Furniture right now, the shittiest stuff, I mean, and we
bought originally some bad stuff. It's completely broken down. Was
not cheap. You want decent stuff, You're like, it's gonna cut.
It's got how much for a chair, how much for
an outdoor couch?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
It blows your mind. But that's if you want it.
That's what it costs. If you want a.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Pass rusher in the open market, you gotta give Milton Williams,
who who played I think fifty percent of the snaps again,
let me repeat fifty percent of this next to the
best young defensive tackle in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
It got twenty six million dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I mean, even the Panthers who wanted them badly were like, yeah,
we're out.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
That's kind of crazy. And the Patriots knew it. They
just had to overpay again him.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
And right now, some of the best team's big advantages.
They can take some swings on character because they're equipped
for it, and a lot of the bad teams have
to pass on it. And it's why like when some
of the bad teams, you know, I think people were
uncomfortable with the Tennessee pass rusher peers, not like super
bad guy, but just some things that in the scouting
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community just you know, raise alarms, right, and I think
in that situation, like, are the Atlanta Falcons equipped to
handle that a team full of young cats who have
never won anything, I'd say no. And last, but not least,
I'm fascinated by this is college football. I mean, last
year Michigan had thirteen players drafted, and then they had
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a god awful season this year relative to their standard
because their quarterback play might as well have had me playing.
Still had what three guys go in the top fifteen.
I mean, their talent that Harbaughs assembled was eye opening.
And then Ohio State goes on the run. They have
fourteen players drafted that lead the country. Their entire front
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seven essentially was drafted, their entire defensive line. You know,
their star receiver who's not even the best receiver on
the team, and probably the third receiver on the team
because sophomore who's gonna be I forget his name, but
he will be drafted next year, more likely in the
first round. And obviously Jeremiah Smith. And they had a
left tackle who's injured get drafted in the first round.
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On top of multiple running backs. And this is the thing,
and we're going to argue about this till we're blue
in the face. But we want to see the most
talented teams in the playoffs because as we've seen over
the course of the Final four and now as we've
morphed into this, if you don't have a lot of
NFL talent, you don't have a shot. I mean, what
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we saw with SMU last year, like we don't want
to see anymore. And you look, Ohio State led the
country in draft picks. Georgia was second, Texas was third,
Oregon was fourth, and the separation for college football there
always has been.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
But it's like you.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Never truly know, and listen, it's football. In a one
game scenario. Anything can happen, and that does happen during
the season, right especially like Week two, Week three, you
never know a big upset can happen. I do think
it's going to be much more difficult in the first
round of the playoffs. Usually get two or three weeks off,
the best team has the home playoff game, and you're
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just at a.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Huge, huge disadvantage.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
So listen, I'm an Ohio State hater, not because I
don't think the program is elite, Not because I don't
think that program isn't setting the bar in terms of
NFL talent.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I just need someone to root against, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And I was a Jim Harbaugh guy. He hated Ryan Day.
Not the biggest chipcare and I.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Just rooted against him.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
But I do appreciate and have to acknowledge how well
run they are and they listen. The one thing Ryan
Day has done since the moment, and this is where
we have seen other guys fall off a cliff. We
saw it with Helfridge and chip Kelly. Chip Kelly took
it from Bellotti and he took it the next step
up at Oregon, and then chip Kelly leaves. They hire
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Health Fridge, and for a couple of years because they
were rolling, they stayed good and then over the course
of a couple more fell apart. And you see it
with Dan Lanning, like Mario, not a great coach, he
could recruit. Landing gets there a better coach, but he
maintains the recruiting and that program is going to be
consistently in the top two or three moving forward, right,
(22:43):
And obviously Kirby smart and what Jim harbaughd accomplished and
Ryan Day, Sark has blown me away. You know the
difference between Sark and Ryan Day is Ryan Day took
over a program that was rolling once you know, Urban
tapped out with the hard issues after his wide receiver
coach was doing some weird shit. Stark took over a
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program three or four years ago that was a joke,
like they did not have much talent, they were not
getting guys drafted. Now, he's always been a good recruiter,
but the game change when nil came into play. And
obviously Texas has the money, but they are going to
be right there with Ohio State and Oregon as a
major factor because of their checkbook and obviously his ability
(23:27):
to impact the quarterback. But when I see these four teams,
I do think that Michigan TBD TBD because you know,
filling the shoes of Jim Harbaugh. Like is he more
likely to be Ryan Day and keep it rolling or
is he more likely to be Mark Helfrich. I would
say that's a coin flip right now. And I know
they bought the quarterback, but I thought Dylan Riola I
(23:50):
was sold and maybe.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I bought it a little bit. It was like next
Patrick Mahomes and I watched him.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Plays like is he even that good? It's one thing
with these transfer portal quarterbacks. It's another thing with eighteen
year old kids. That's like, this guy's gonna be like
Patrick Mahomes meets Josh Allen and then you're watching him,
it's like, why are they losing to Iowa right now?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
This kid looks.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Awful, So you never know, and I just think get
ready for the You know, the college football Playoff was
supposed to bring in some new variables, almost like the
NCAA Tournament. Well, what do we see out of the
NCUBA tournament. Top four seeds were in the final four,
and I think we're gonna consistently get that in the
college football Playoff moving forward, because the talent discrepancy is
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Speaker 2 (26:30):
Okay, we haven't done it in a couple of weeks
because of.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
The draft, but I did want to do a little
some thoughts on golf.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
We have a golo podcast.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Usually we just I mean during the majors, we just
do it solo. But I've kind of been combining it
with the football stuff. So if you're listening on the
audio version, this will be the second half of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Obviously, if you're watching.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
This, this will just be talking about golf for a
little bit, because you know, there's a big golf tournament
this week with Scotti Scheffler in it, and I do
think there's some pressure to win. We had a big
caddy news today. You know, Max Homer had broken up
with Joe Griner within the last month, and then he
goes on the bag two weeks ago for JT at
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RBC and wins and then today there was an announcement
that he's got a new bag. And then we try
to do this whenever we do a go lo at
go lo pod. Because we do the Instagram mail bag
for football, I like to include one for golf as well,
but I like to separate it. So at golopod. At
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golopod is the Instagram. If you have any golf questions,
we will bang out a bunch today. So just firing
those dms. They're wide open and fire me any question,
any thoughts that you have on your game, on the
pro game, on just shit anything, So firing there. I
did want to start with this, the CJ Cup, the
Byron Nelson at TPC Craig ranch Is this week. I mean,
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these guys, it's one of those tournaments that, like me
and you would be like the Putt putt version. They're
shooting anywhere between twenty two and twenty six under. A
couple of years ago, I think Jason Day won it
twenty three under. So these guys, these guys are good
at golf, and if the course is not that hard,
they will annihilate it. Hell you give them a hard
course and the conditions aren't up I would say fifteen
(28:24):
under on a given week feels minimum. I do think
there is some pressure with how well Rory season is going.
And he's won three times obviously including the Masters, and
no one's really played better golf this year than Rory
McElroy when you look at after the Masters last year,
there was a ton of momentum for Scotti coming in
(28:45):
to the PGA Championship and then he got arrested on Friday,
and still he managed to shoot I think what sixty
seven or was that Thursday? It was either Thursday. I
think it was Friday because he was playing the morning
round on Friday when it was raining. But last year
he had this magical season. But I do think the
Majors were a little underwhelming when you factor he won
(29:05):
the Masters again, He's probably gonna win the Masters like
three or four times in his life. I mean, he
doesn't even play that well in the Masters.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
He top tens.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
So I mean this year, at one point you look up,
it's like, could Scotty get.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Into the playoff?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Like where does scottis chefer coming from? So it's about
playing well in the PGA, in the US Open and
the British which he feels like the type player that
should win four or five majors and win several of
the majors, right, And I don't love betting guys that
are super high favorites. It's why I got cold feet
with Rory at the Masters, and I'm kicking myself. I
(29:40):
thought about going all in, but it's like you just
you get boned pretty quick at plus six fifty odds.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And then you know he won it and you're.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Like, gosh, well, I regret that one Scottish chef for
going in this weekend is plus two to eighty, which
is insane. Gambling was I don't know where Phil was
making his golf bets in the early two thousands, but
it would have been much more difficult. You had to
know the right people like Billy Walters to get involved
in those markets. Obviously. Now it's with our friends at DraftKings.
(30:11):
It's very very easy, and we have data now over
the last three or four years.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Like, you know, you are.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
A really good player if you're ten to one to
win a golf tournament and you're playing against one hundred.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And fifty other guys.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Scotti Scheffler is currently plus two to eighty. I mean
that's freaking insane.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And I kind of like it.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
He hasn't. He didn't play this event last year. Now,
part of it was he won the Masters and then
he won the RBC the next week, so he took
a couple weeks off before the PGA. I do wonder
if he feels desperate. It's the wrong word, but just
in need of like a mojo victory. You look at
the strength of field.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
In this tournament. It ain't great.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I mean, Jordan Spieth is the second favorite. I think
at eighteen to one. You got guys like Sun JM.
Tell me the last time Sun JM won a golf
tournament and tell me what that tournament was. You'd be
hard pressed to figure that out one out.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So like, this is not.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Xander and you know the normal and Rory and the
normal cast of characters. The JT's their battle in this week.
I do think Scotty Scheffler wins. He played it two
years ago. He finished fifth, but he was only three
shots off the lead when Jason Day wanted at twenty
three under.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
He finished at twenty.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I am going to have exposure on Scotti Scheffler to
win it, probably an uncomfortable amount of money, because that's
what you have to bet to.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
You know, I'm approaching like a football game, what I
would bet if I liked the team, just straight up
against another. That's how I viewed Scotti Scheffler this weekend.
Against the field. I think he wins plus two eighty
again bold moving golf, but I think that's the play.
You know, A couple of weeks ago, we had been
on Justin Thomas for this year. He had been playing really,
(31:49):
really good golf. The only reason I wasn't more all
over him when it came to the Masters because I'd
been burned by him before. So it was one of
those where it's like I was a big believer in
Justin Thomas. He had I think he had three top
ten finishes going into the Masters, but I'd seen that
song and dance and to me, like he might win
(32:10):
it one day. I will not be on that. It
just feels like one of those course fits that is
just not for him. But like the way he was playing,
it's like, this guy's.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Gonna win a golf tournament. Now. Did I think he
was gonna win with the RBC? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
That tournament can be weird obviously was a loaded field
beside Rory, and you know, it turned out to be
basically a match play event down the stretch between him
and Andrew Novak, who I guess is pretty online and
a lot of people like him and seems like a
really really good player. But JT wins an extra holes,
hits a long putt. As he told Joe Griner when
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he was walking up, you know, I've never really hit
a long walk off putt to win a golf tournament.
And he just won his sixteenth PGA event, which is
pretty insane. I mean he's already multiple majors, fifteen plus wins.
I mean, he's a Hall of Famer for his career.
End of today kind of when you look at the
big picture, it's not like he's forty two years old, he's
thirty two. If he could get to twenty plus wins
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and win another major, like pretty historic stuff by Justin Thomas,
really cool moment and a guy who now I don't
think there was that much question before the RBC.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I mean one Locke ryder Cup.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I think he was one of the more polarizing guys
two years ago, and rightfully so. The way that all
went down, now it's like, you want Justin Thomas on
this team. I think the only question mark is like
what about his boy? What about his running mate? Like
is jordan' spe still good? Justin Thomas definitely is. But
(33:38):
the big news that weekend was his caddie was out
because he had a back injury, and he wins with
Joe Griner, Max homes old guy, Scott Stale guy, and
after the event, because I thought, well, I don't know
the relationship between JT and his current caddie, but anytime
you win for the first time in years, it's a
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really big deal. Actually in the fashion which he won it,
and as he hits the putt in South Carolina, you
see Grinder, you know, kind of behind him throw the pin.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It was a sweet moment.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
It was cool, and I just assume, like I just
bet that he goes with this guy moving forward.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Wouldn't blame him.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
And then he announced its like no, like, my guy's healthy,
he'll be back, and Grinder's not gonna be my full
time caddy. And then today, you know, sometimes when I'm
driving around, I'm a big serious XM guy. Love my
Mad Dog Radio, like my Channel eighty five, which a
lot of times, like Pro Football Talk eighty six. Sometimes
just NBA Radio, but it's got some old heads to
(34:39):
just talk a bunch of shit PGA Radio, and I
listened to it a lot, especially when Sleeves and Colt Nohost.
I think my time is ten to noon, maybe it's
nine to eleven. I don't know the exact time, but
I feel like I'm in the car a lot when
those guys are on. And Colt came out and said, like,
I got some crazy breaking news, and Drew was like
(34:59):
what he was like, Colin Morrikawa has fired as caddy
and he is going to hire Joe Grinder full time. Now,
you know, Max Holmer and Colin Morrikawa to cal Bears,
they are different ages. They they didn't play together, but
two years ago, once Dustin left for Live, they became
(35:21):
a combination in the team events, right, So they played
together in the President's Cup, so Marikawa who clearly just
has a relationship because they played together, or I mean
they went to the same college, so that just kind
of bonds you, I don't care who you are. Then
they started playing together in these team events, and obviously
Max for a period of time is one of the
better players right there with Colin. They just know each
(35:41):
other pretty well. And when you see this, it's.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Like, I get it.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Sometimes in business you got to be pretty cold blooded.
And I understand Colin hasn't won in a couple of years,
but he has been really good and he has been
making a ton of money. And the success that he
had with with JJ as current caddy, well, I guess
no longer was pretty unreal. I mean, they won a
couple of majors together. They have made so much freaking money.
(36:07):
And I would imagine more information on this eventually leaks
or comes out, but whenever I have, whenever you see
a headline of like they have decided to part ways,
that feels like when the interviewer asked Belichick, it's like,
you know, Robert Kraft said you were fired, and Belichick
was like, I wasn't fired.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I quit.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
It was mutual, Like no, no, Bill, you were fired.
They paid you to go away, which is a badge.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Of honor in society.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
You were paid twenty million dollars not to work, aka
the American dream. But you don't quit or leave calling
more cows back.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
So it was clear.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
You know, Marikawa, who's been in the news a little
this year, like fighting the media and refusing to talk.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I mean, this is.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Business, so I don't listen. You gotta make only you
know truly that relationship. But I think most people would
say if you, unless you have the inside knowledge, would
be like, this is a pretty cold blooded move, even
if you could argue like Joe Grinder probably one of
the better caddies you know on the PGA tour and
a guy that most people thought two weeks ago, like
JT just hire him full time. So like from a
(37:13):
in a vacuum, not that crazy you would want Joe
Grinder on your back, but when you factor in like
how much success those two guys have had.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Pretty nuts.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
But I guess when you're in the caddy world that's
kind of the uh. You know, you're at the whim
of the player and if he ever has an issue
with you, you know, you think about wherever you work
and whatever you do for a living, how you know
you just careful the way you treat and your reaction
to whoever your you know, superior is the guy that
owns the company, whoever hired you. I can't even imagine
(37:44):
the you know, the superiority that the player holds over
the caddy. Even if you become really really good friends,
and obviously we.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Have some of those. We had that with Max and Joe.
I think you have that with Joel, Damon and Gino. Uh.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
But at the end of the day, like you know,
Stevie Williams, I'm pretty sure it was Tiger's best man
in his wedding, and Stevie was like, after Tiger took
that seven iron to the face, like he fired me.
You know, it's bones and Phil had a pretty ugly
public breakup. I mean, these things happen in this sport,
and it's pretty crazy, especially now with how much money
is on the line for the player. Let's get some
(38:33):
questions at golopod. At golopod is the Instagram here we go.
Not a paid sponsor, just a Bryson fan. He's tearing
up this course right now. First time really tuning in.
This was when did this happen?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
This was this week?
Speaker 1 (38:48):
The broadcast is really solid, no commercial shotguns, start with
virtual virtually no interruptions, just major winner to major winner
with Ferrety commentating all to say this this thing is
a lot better watch than I thought. Give it a
try side by side with the website. I've watched it,
like just in terms of if a guy's playing well,
(39:10):
it can be enjoyable to just watch a high level
player play golf, right, whether it's Jaukee Neeman, whether it's
Bryce and d Chambeau, whether it's Phil whoever DJ when
he first got there, Rom, they're good at golf, playing
golf on television, like it's cool to watch. My issue
with it, and the same thing for the PGA Tour.
The reason I watched the PGA Tour is because, like
(39:32):
there are real stakes, like winning a tournament gets you
into the majors. Winning a tournament if you were Andrew
Novak and you beat Justin Thomas two weeks ago in
the RBC, has real implications.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Jaukee Neeman wins again, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (39:52):
I just my issue with this, Like why have I
been glued to the NBA playoffs because there's a lot
on the line, there's a history. But you know, like
if the Lakers and Lebron and Luca lose in the
first round, we understand what that means. When you win
on LIV, I just think it means nothing.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
That's my issue.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
The outcome, Yes, them playing individual golf like if Ron
plays a hole and he's on, it will look incredible.
I think I saw a clip online he drew.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
He he drove a hole. It was four hundred yards.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Like he's he's unreal, like he is when he's on,
he's I'm sure still one of the best players in
the world. But like whether he wins at Live or
finishes sixth or third or tenth, it doesn't matter. Like
they're just playing for a lot of money, which is cool,
But like I could get my buddies and convince someone
to play for a couple hundred dollars a hole or
(40:49):
a thousand dollars. I could find someone in Scottsdale that
would play me a thousand dollars a hole. I mean,
it's just that's essentially what they're doing at a really,
really high level for millions of dollars. We're in the
PGA Tour like they're a real Like if Andrew Novak
wins that tournament, like he's into all the majors, is
it just me? Or is the US Ryder Cup headed
for trouble. I realize it's early, but I look at
(41:10):
the probable teams this year and I don't see how
we can match up with the europe The only advantage
that I can find is that we play at home.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
To me, their lineup is.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Much better at the top and much deeper. They have
Rory Hovelin, who's playing better Ludwig and fill out with
other players like Shane Lowry, Rose Hatton, Rom Fleetwood. To me,
that's going to destroy any team that we put out.
I would say that for the first time in a
long time, it feels like this is going to be
(41:40):
really really difficult at home because if Rory maintains this
play all year long, if Rom can just find and
listen to live things out the window, these guys are
going to be on the team. I can find any form,
you know, listen, if Sergio has.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
A good year, like he will be in the mix.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Like you said, I mean, Justin Rose has played in
a million of these eleet Wood has just made to
play in these type events.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah, they're team stacked that there is no.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Arguing that their team is really freaking good, and our
team at the top is also really good. Xander healthy,
he should be fine, obviously, Scotty, you know, Justin Thomas, Colin,
Mori Kawa. But like it's not quite the same of like,
I think Bryson's gotta be on the team, which you know,
last time it was Koepka. This year is gonna be Bryson,
(42:26):
which is the right move. But where it gets difficult,
it's like, who's Bryson playing with that? That's where it
gets complicated. Where a lot of these guys pretty seamless transition.
You know, historically it was like Marikawa just played.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
With Dustin Johnson and it went really well.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Right, Justin Thomas played with Jordan Speith and it went
really well. Was Jordan Spith gonna be on this team?
To me, the coolest part about the Ryder Cup is
the Kegan's the captain, so and you know how serious
he's gonna take it, but he's gonna he's got a
big challenge. I saw the President's Cup captains were named today,
Jeff Ogilvie and Snedeker. I see, I've wanted to introduce myself.
(43:04):
I've seen Oglevy at the gym a million times. Looks
like a golfer, you know, it is like fifties tall, skinny,
looks like he just go out and sho like sixty seven,
always doing stretches. One takeaway from the Masters, I had
was how popular Rory actually is between the people pulling
for him on the grounds and the amount of congratulations
(43:25):
he received from non golf athletes and celebrities. I have
buddies I didn't even know falled golf reposting stuff about Rory.
People keep saying Bryson is so popular, which he obviously is,
but I don't think it's even close to Rory. Wonder
if you felt the same way watching well, the advantage
(43:45):
Like I've seen this.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Right, the NBA is back.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Look at the ratings. Well, yeah, Lebron James plays on
the Lakers, the biggest brand, and their numbers are huge.
If the Lakers are in the playoffs, and especially so
when they got a star and now they got Luca,
a lot of people are gonna watch. It's like you
put the Yankees in the playoffs or the Dodgers. Everyone's watching, Well,
who's the second most famous player? And honestly, it's like
one A and one B. Steph freaking Curry. What do
(44:12):
both have in common? Lebron James has been in my life.
I'm forty years old, since I was a teenager. Me
and him are the same exact age and same class
in high school. Steph Curry has been in my life
since I was in college and he was a Davison
taking down Kansas. So part of becoming like stardom is longevity.
We have a lot of guys, and I don't mean
(44:34):
it like this. Some of the biggest songs of our
lifetime I think would fall under one hit wonders and those.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Are a really big deal.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
But the biggest bands and most famous musicians are ones
that have countless hits. The Rolling Stones are the Rolling
Stones because they have a big catalog and they've also
been around for fifty years. Metallica a lot of big
time songs also been around since the eighties. There are
bands that are big right now, just like rap artists
(45:03):
or country music stars that if you haven't been around
as long, you're not gonna be as big as other
people in your genre. That are Doctor dre and Garth Brooks.
So Rory has been in people's sporting people's vernacular for
fifteen plus years. And one thing I think we naturally
love is when you fail. Part of and I think
(45:25):
this helps Lamar and Josh Allen stardom going up against
Patrick Mahomes is their inability to beat the guy like
that adds to the story. That's all this stuff is
is its reality television show. And as I've learned with
Maria bravostars can make up to fifty grand an episode.
If you have fifteen episodes of season, you do the math,
(45:46):
you make a lot of money. There is nothing like
professional athlete money. I was talking to a buddy, a
cousin of mine who lives in Fresno. You know, Derek
Carr and David Carr have both move back to Fresno.
You know, Derek lived in Vegas. You know, Fresno has
some really successful businessmen, people that have made a lot
(46:08):
of money. People don't talk about Fresno, California like they
do like San Francisco or Palo Alto or Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
But there are some people that are really successful people there.
But most of them.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Are business owners, farmers or other business owners.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
There aren't many.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Like w two employees that have made two hundred plus
million dollars in his life. That's what Derek Carr has
made in his career. And at the end of this
season he will love Eclipse like I think, like two
hundred and thirty million dollars playing quarterback and for the
majority of his career, He's never been a top.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Ten quarterback in the NFL. He's had a.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Couple of individual seasons, but on the aggregate he is not.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
So the.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
It's like this reality television show where there's all this
money on the line and all these competitors and everyone
chasing the money. It just makes it really fascinating. And
that's what like when you're watching Rory, like his failures
along with his successes. He has just been in the
world of professional sports at a really really high level.
(47:12):
I mean for almost twenty years. I mean he's I
think he's thirty five years old. I mean he started
winning big time tournaments at like twenty or twenty one
years old. It's the thing with Tiger Woods, Like Tiger
was so famous so fast, and when you do that,
you Lebron James, Bryce Harper, Michael Jordan hit the game
(47:35):
winning shot in the National Championship in college, so like
when you do that, you become in the mix. I
think he was a freshman too in nineteen eighty one
or nineteen eighty two, corner on the baseline kicked it
to Michael Boom. Nothing but net So you're just like
the in the conversation if given the opportunity, would you
(47:57):
rather play around with tiger woods at Pine Valley or
play with a buddy at Augusta assuming content not able
to be shot at each course. If no content's available,
I don't even You just have to choose Augusta National
because Pine Valley, which I hope keep my fingers crossed.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
One day I'll be able to play. Who knows.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
I wouldn't count on it, but it does feel attainable.
I guess where it's like, Augusta been around a lot
of successful people that love golf that have never sniffed
getting on the course there, so to be able to say,
I mean, that's just there aren't many better conversation starters
than like I played Augusta. I played the Masters. Obviously
(48:47):
you don't mean playing during the Masters. I know what
you're saying. But you can have that conversation with anybody.
Most people in my life that if they're not big
golf people, they wouldn't even know what Pine Valley is.
So I think that without hesitation Augusta. Now if you
said I could film, because Augusta wouldn't let you film
no matter what, but I could film the Tiger woods thing.
(49:08):
Then listen, I'm a businessman. We got mouths to feed
in this family, and I would say Tiger, but no cameras,
no besides maybe like one still photo, it would be
it would be Augusta for sure. Question, I'd probably have
to choose my brother. We'd have to have a historic
round of gambling on that on that day we done.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Me and him have done I think like fifty dollars
a hole.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Maybe even when you do that, though, and if you're
similar golfers, unless you do like carryovers, it's pretty easy
to basically not lose that much. Question for the pod,
I firmly believe now that Rory has completed the Grand Slam,
he won a major for the first time in a
decade and got the monkey off his back, that now
(49:56):
he can go on a run, rattle off another major
this year, win four or five more tournaments, and surpass
Scotty as the world number one. Thoughts, you know, I
think the world number one. Let's face it, the world
rankings are kind of stupid now, you know. If the
live guy's all gone, not really playing in sanctioned events,
it's hard to kind of quantify it. You just kind
of know, like who are the best players in the world, Scotty,
(50:18):
Rory Bryson, you know Xander until the rib injury, you
would have set him to But like that's the crew
right now and you just know it when you see it.
And like this year, right now, Rory McElroy is the
best player. He's not the number one player in the world,
but in twenty twenty five he's clearly the best player.
That can change, but like that's a fact, and so
(50:40):
I don't know if he can surpass them. How many
tournaments you have to win? Like what if Scotty also
wins a tournament or two, you know, he probably maintained
that that spot. But to me, if Rory wins, I mean,
if he were to win another major this year, even
if he doesn't win another tournament and wins two elevated
events in two majors, I think that would be better
(51:03):
than the version of in assuming then he would win
the FedEx Cup, though they have changed.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Kind of the format on that.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
I refuse to like look too much into it at
too much going on last week, But that thing's going
to look a lot different this year, I think, or
maybe it's for twenty twenty six, but yeah, I mean,
I think Rory can swing back for sure. In fairness,
like Scotty legitimately was the best player in the world
last year. You know, I know Xander got hot in
the two Majors, but on the totality, it wasn't really
(51:32):
that close. What's going on with the Gala been following
him over the last couple of years and really thought
after last year he was primed for a breakout year
and has really struggled. Any thoughts, I'm with you. As
a gambler, I take him in some parlays and he's
really fucked me. I mean, there's no way he's blown
(51:52):
a couple I think like fifteen to twenty to one
parlays that would have won me a couple grand over
the course of the year because he has been bad.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
I but you know, the way I.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Do this is I take a couple of screenshots so
it's easy for me to so I kind of looked
after I saw your question. He's never been a very
accurate driver of the golf ball, so why when he
almost won at TBC Scottsdale. Listen, I play there. I
was actually gonna go out today and hit some balls,
but you could.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Spray it around.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
It's not I wouldn't call it exactly the you know,
Hilton Head, You're like, you've got to be super accurate
off the tea, and looking at some of the statistics,
he's not accurate off the tea at all. And when
you're not accurate off the tea, like you have problems.
But like one thing that he used to be is
like incredible.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
Around the greens.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
And I don't know, you know, I think sometimes in golf,
a guy can look good and there's not as much
pressure on him, and then we go he's gonna take
the next step when it's really hard to do that.
And I would imagine you start feeling that as a player,
right you come on the scene, it's like, God, I'm
pretty good. And listen, he's googled Thigala in college. I mean,
(53:06):
this guy was a blue chipper, like a stud. So
this the equivalent of Thigala in the NFL, Like he's
a top ten pick. But you know, sometimes after you
really settle down on the PGH, I do think it
becomes difficult because then you've got expectations, people are looking
at you.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
You start playing some future groups. He's a fan favorite.
He's very likable. You know people are pulling for you.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
And I think the difficult part about golf, Like in football,
if I'm struggling, like I could just be like I'm
gonna go fucking hit someone hard. I'm just gonna go
make a play, right.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
And in golf you can't.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Like the harder you try, sometimes the worse you are.
And again I'm guessing, but I'm just a fan of
the guy and he's been awful. I think when you
spray it around a little bit too, and this is
like justin Thomas. I think one way to really validate
like an awesome season is to truly be in the mix,
either at the PGA, which he's obviously had a lot
(54:03):
of success or the British I don't really like him
at the US Open because he's not that accurate off
the tea. So this year he's putted a lot different better,
but like, I trust his iron game. If he's in
the middle of the fairway, he's as good as anybody
around the green. I mean, he's just a wizard with
his wedges and if he's putting well, like he's a
really good but off the t he's just not that accurate,
and I think sometimes when you're a little guy and
(54:24):
you're swinging out of your shoes, even with today's technology,
you like the bal can fly all over the place.
Like part of what, why is Ludvig not that inaccurate
off the tea because it doesn't look like he's swinging
that hard. I would say the same thing for DJ
in the peak of his career, like he was really
accurate off the tea. Well, it's like he's built like
a Carson Palmer. He just I mean, he technically is
(54:46):
swing hard relative to everyone else, but it does not
look like he's trying that hard. Where when you watchusin
Thomas and it's a five hundred yard part four, he
like me or you, is swinging out of our shoes
in the margin for error. I mean, why Tiger early
on his career spray.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
The ball over the place?
Speaker 1 (55:02):
No one has ever swung his hard. Now the gall
is taller, but he just it does feel like he
sprays the ball a lot looking at the statistics.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Okay, last question.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Bryson is taking quite a bit of heat for his
post round interview after the final round of the Masters
in regards to the comments made about Rory not speaking
to him.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
The entire day.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
Even Rich Eisen had a segment about it with Shipnuk
where he blasted him a little bit. I think the
whole thing is overblown. The guy had to talk to
the media right after shooting seventy five in the final
round of the Masters. I'm sure he was pissed about
his performance and considering he was in the mix to
start the day. The way I see it, nothing Bryson
said implied the way he was upset about the fact
(55:47):
that Rory didn't talk to him.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
He just said that he didn't.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
This is a nothing burger story. Do you have any
thoughts on the situation. Well, I think I'm with you
in you know, the one thing where more Cow isn't
totally wrong is when you just get off the golf
course usually, you know, especially the way Augusta does it,
they have that interview. If you're not going in with
Van Pelt, you just interview there right there on the grass.
(56:11):
And that's where Bryson did his. Is you basically just
walk off and you talk immediately. And it's one thing
when you win and your daughter, your girlfriend, your mom,
or it's a fucking party. When you shoot seventy five
and you just go I just blew the masters, because
that's You're right, He's just kind of not in a
great mood.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
And I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
I didn't see the question that was asked, did he
volunteer that? Or it's like what were your interactions with him?
Like one, Tiger Woods became a legend, not just because
he was kicking everyone's ass, but a lot like Michael
Jordan was the way.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
He kicked everyone's ass.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
He didn't have any friends on the PGA tour, he
didn't talk with anyone on the PGA tour, he didn't
fratnize with anybody. Tony Fenale famously said in twenty nineteen
like it was like whole three or four. Tony was
like trying to just break the ice on Sunday, like, Tiger,
how are the kids? Tiger basically said fine and never
even looked at him and kept walking. Tony's like, I'm
(57:05):
not saying another word of this guy.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
And it was a.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
Throwback and historically, like that's the way Tiger became the
most famous golfer of all time. Operating and Rory, who
does feel a little more chit chatty, like what's he
supposed to say to Bryson, especially given their history last year,
like this was a big time moment for the guy's
career and unlike Bryson, I don't want to say make
or break Rory, but there was a lot of There
(57:29):
was way more.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
In the line for Rory than Bryson, and so I listen.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
I think it's stupid that we even like sometimes people
in golf don't want to talk sometimes, like Jimmy Butler
talking with Dylan Brooks.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Like guys talk shit to each other.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
It's like, welcome to Draymond Green and Jalen Green screaming
at each.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
Other the other day.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
It's like, this is sports, guys. This isn't like an
interaction at the local FedEx. It's like everyone has calmed
down being nice to each other. Like this, emotions are high.
People like spend a lot of time prepared for this
is their test the game, and sometimes you're pissed off,
you know, and everyone handles that better.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
I think it's Rory didn't owe him to talk to him.
I don't even think Bryson is like offended by it.
What does Bryson want to bullshit about?
Speaker 2 (58:15):
What? Like Rory's kids, Rory's how.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
He overcame the potential divorce that got back together, Like
what did they did they go to marriage counseling?
Speaker 2 (58:22):
Like is that what he's asking him about? Is he
asking him about?
Speaker 1 (58:25):
Like, hey man, how many times do YouTube my bunker
shot at Pinehurst?
Speaker 2 (58:28):
So I'm with you, total.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
No one cares that actually matters, and I don't blame
Rory and I think he needs a channel more of that.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Just become a complete asshole on Sundays. It's one thing.
Thursday or Friday be a little weird.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
I would say, But Sunday at the Masters with his
felt like the entire way to the world on Rory's shoulders.
Now listen, Bryson had a little house money. If Bryson
beats him, it would be like the old mid ownage
of a guy like this is insane.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Rison beat you again. So I think part of it was.
I think a huge element was that.
Speaker 1 (59:09):
And like if Rory had played with Shane Lowry, yeah,
they probably talk.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Frory had played with Xander, they probably bullshit a little.
When we say.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
Bullshitting, like you're just standing next to a guy for
five hours, You're eventually gonna say some stuff. I think
this one like totally. I don't think most of us
would have said a word either.
Speaker 3 (59:29):
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