October 8, 2025 • 56 mins
Colin Cowherd is joined by 'First Things First' co-host Danny Parkins.
They start with the news that Bill Belichick & UNC could reach a buyout soon. How does this impact Belichick's legacy (2:45)?
They debate if Russell Wilson & Jared Goff will make the Pro Football Hall of Fame (13:45).
Chicago Bears are looking for revenge from last year's hail mary vs Washington Commanders, who do they like to win (31:30)?
They react to Cubs-Brewers and talk about how Chicago would handle losing to the Milwaukee Brewers in the MLB playoffs (37:00).
Finally, they give their takes on the Arizona Cardinals fining Jonathan Gannon for his altercation with a player (42:00) and debate using Waymo (56:00).
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
All right, Danny parkins, as he is prone to do
at least once a month, sometimes more. FS one is
joining us and it's a day of breaking news. There
are multiple reports. This is crazy. Sometimes you don't predict something,
but you're not surprised when it happens. Like your buddy
who drives too fast. You wouldn't predict he gets into
a wreck, but if it happens, you know, bangs into
a fire hyder, and you'd be like, well, Bob drives
(00:50):
a little fast. Bill Belichick may not last the season.
They're working on a buyout, and you know, first whenever
you get a friends and family staff, He and Mike
Lombardi kids on the staff, highly compensated. I'm never a
huge fan of that. But I think sometimes we look
(01:12):
at college as this inferior product of the NFL, and
in terms of like talent, it is, but it is
a really hard trail to navigate. Donors, boosters, nil AD, NCAA.
When you're an NFL coach, you have an impulsive owner.
Then you kind of just do what you want to do.
(01:34):
I mean, Brett Veach is not banging down a door
to tell Andy what to run on second and before
I could argue there are more landmines for a college
coach than a pro coach, and I just don't think
Bill at this point has the tolerance for it.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
That's kind of my take.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
He's just not built for college football.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I don't think he ever wanted to be there in
the first place. He said it at the time, like
I was like, I'm gonna be the last person who
believes that this is going to actually happen, Like it
all felt beneath him, Like I remember when he was
photographed at a Chick fil A in Atlanta after his
(02:15):
interview with Arthur Blank, Like that was two hiring cycles ago,
and then he won, and then he did all of
the media jobs and he was hoping to get another
NFL job and it never came, and so he's like, well,
I guess coaching in college is better than coach than
doing media, and I'm sure for a lifelong coach that
(02:36):
is correct. But then you saw the buyout reports that
it dipped down to just a million boxers, Like, oh,
he wants to leave open any path to get back
to the NFL. He never wanted to be there in
the first place. And then on top of it, the
embarrassment with whatever you think about the girlfriend situation, the
(02:57):
reporting around that, the loser, and then that's all before
any of the things that you're talking about, which are
of course totally true and valid. But like, if you
didn't really want to be there in the first place,
and then you start getting mocked for being there, and
then you start losing, and you've got eighteen year old
(03:18):
kids mouthing off to you, Like he has to be
miserable right now, Colin.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, And like Labardi's an NFL guy. Charlie Weiss had
some early success at Notre Dame. But Charlie has got
kind of that gruff Northeast personality.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
And that's fine.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Some of those guys lived out there for ten years.
I liked a lot of guys like that. They're really
bottom line, they're kind of gruff, they're kind of kurt.
But you know, Carolina, the Carolinas is different. Everybody's got
a little y'all's. It's you know what I mean, Like
Roy Williams, Dean Smith. There's a certain sensibility to it,
and I just it's a weird fit to me. Like
(03:54):
I think I've told you this before. Maybe I'm obsessed
with this, but I'm always surprised when very success, When
very successful, seemingly bright older men can't aren't self aware,
Like Bobby Knight, Bobby, you gotta do the one and done.
(04:15):
Everybody's doing it. You're gonna get inferior players just too stubborn.
And Bill Belichick, Bill, you you can't spit on Robert
Kraft like he's an owner. Owners are tight, don't You're
not going to win. They'd be like me going against
the Murdochs, like just be a good employee, work your
(04:37):
butt off. If they do something you don't like, eat it,
deal with it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's like I just sometimes I see these older men
and they got they get stuck in their ways. We
all know in our twenties, you kind of have to
follow in line. Maybe it's the wealth of maybe it's
the I don't give a damn, but I mean the
idea that he wouldn't let he wouldn't like tweet Drake
may you know stuff because he was a patriot.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Like does that?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I don't know, have you ever thought about that? We've
seen like the Tony Larus's, the Belichicks, the Bobby Knights.
You're like guys, rigid punctures, brilliant, don't do it?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, I mean Barack Obama said it recently. I mean,
and obviously he's a great orator, but he said something
like eighty percent of the world's problems involve old men
hanging on who are afraid of death and insignificance. Like
there's something to that. And we've got like an age
(05:34):
minimum for you to be president. I'd be interested in
an age maximum, you know, like like a sweet spot
there for just like you want the people who are
governing on the things in our world, like it's to
like maybe impacts them. Uh. And so yeah, I think
like not too come across as too agists here, but
(05:54):
because there are clearly exceptions to the rule. But I
didn't want I would have wanted my NFL t to
hire Pete Carroll, and I know you disagreed on that,
and you like Pete Carroll and by all accounts, Pete
Carroll is like a young mid seventies guys.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I say it was an exception, sure, and.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's and that's fine, and i'll and i'll you know
better than I do, swag brant you that one. But
like the Bears had an opening. If you told me
it was Ben Johnson or Pete Carroll, I'll take Ben
Johnson eleven times out of ten, even though he's not
proven as a head coach, and Pete Carroll is. But
I'd be betting on upside. I'd be betting on ability
to connect with young players. I'd be betting on a
(06:31):
longer runway where he could stay there. So yeah, I
think that it's a real danger for a ton of
people like that. They just get caught in their way.
They get stuck in their ways and they don't evolve.
You know, there was a reporting that Bill Belichick was
pitching these kids that like North Carolina was gonna be
like the thirty third NFL team. That just seems laughable now,
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it's it's it seems so laughable that he thought that
he could just sho go up in Chapel Hill with
inferior talent and just be a pipeline to the to
the pros, plug from my book, by the way, pipeline.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
The yeah, the whole thing. You know, there's an there's
a serious argument to me made. I've said this before.
Men are bad at exits. We have a million pickup lines,
but we break up with somebody and don't even text.
We can get into wars. We can always rationalize getting
(07:30):
into wars. We can never get out of them. Men
are bad at exites.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And I when.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Somebody goes through something, I put myself on that spot.
I think what would I would have done? And I
look when Brady retired to New England, and my take,
just for selfishly, for legendary, for legacy preservation, I would
have said, listen, i owe the Crafts one year of stability,
(08:02):
and I'm going to root for Tom Brady harder than
anybody's ever rooted for a player. Will never be the
same franchise without Tom. I'm going to stay for one
year to just get some stability here and get people
kind of ready, and then I'm going to retire and
Bill has kind of a walk off here because if
you remember, they get Cam Newton, he praised Cam Newton.
(08:24):
Cam was past his prime. But you know it was okay,
here comes mac Jones. You know there was a real
moment in time. Bill didn't need the money and he
knew the team wasn't as good, and then he kind
of stayed in state. In fact, I made I said
this on the air, Danny. I said, I don't think
this is true, but knowing Bill's petty and grudge holding personality,
(08:49):
go to that last draft that Bill controlled slowest team
in the league, two kickers and three interior alignment. It
was like he was saying, I'm going to leave you
with an awful roster. I mean they need they At
one point they drafted three guards like two kickers and
they had no speed. And I think I really do
(09:12):
if you look at that last draft, when Belichick knew
he was in trouble, it was the decisions Matt Patricia,
offensive coordinator. It was like he wanted to humiliate. He
knew his legacy was set. He wanted to humiliate the franchise.
I know it sounds crazy and I don't believe it's true,
but it's not the nuttiest thing I've ever said.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well, no, that's a high bart of clear. Yeah. I
mean he the Patricia the drafts, Like I think there's
like a real legitimate argument to make when you look
at the drafts and beyond the last one of like
Bill Belichick as an evaluator of talent leaves a ton
(09:53):
to be desired.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Oh god, on the offensive side.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
That's kind right exactly, And so he is is Someone
asked me earlier, like, do you think this impacts his
legacy because you kind of hinted at that. I don't
think so. Like, I think that it's humiliating right now,
this is very embarrassing. It feels beneath him. And I
(10:16):
thought that, like I said, I said it on FS
one when I was doing Breakfast Ball. I was like,
I don't believe that he's gonna go to North Carolina
because I don't believe he wants to do it. And
now he's just kind of seeing it through and it's
clearly going horribly. But like in twenty years when we're
talking about the greatest coaches of all time, he's gonna
be on everyone's mount rushmore. Like that's his legacy, is secure.
(10:39):
We don't talk about my Wizards, we don't talk about
Emmett Smith with the Cardinals. Like this is like a
of the moment thing. Now, if you want to have
the like who was more responsible for the Patriots dynasty,
Brady or Belichick?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Pretty clear, pretty clear, Pretty.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Clear, even though the earlier Super Bowls before Brady was
really Brady, those were more Belichick, but like the majority
of them were more Tom than Bill. And then obviously
Bill won the or Tom won the breakup with what
happened in Tampa. So like, if you're having that specific
legacy conversation Brady over Belichick, I think now is going
(11:19):
to be not a majority opinion, Like I think it's
going to be a consensus, but his greatest football coach
of coaches of your lifetime. Like he's on one hand right,
you know, if not number one.
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Speaker 3 (11:45):
Name the one.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Borderline Hall of Fame guy whose last four years eliminate
him from the Hall of fame.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
That it did.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
It does subtract from his ten great years.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Well, I mean that's the argument that h Richard Sherman
and Tony Gonzalez were making about Russell Wilson Boom.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, so there's no question. Yeah, the fall is so precipitous.
He got kinda weird and it's like Pete get out,
Sean get out, Tomlin, get out, Jackson Dart excuse me,
Russ like it was. I mean, Philip Rivers had the
(12:30):
mobility of a batting cage in Indianapolis. He could, he
was I remember his GM Tom Telesco saying he's the
worst athlete right now in the sport and he is unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Like Tom loved him.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
He's like people understand, he has no athletic ability at
this point in his last year to two, Like it
just he didn't have any left right. Yeah, and he
was never super mobile, but he was. He was a big,
strong athlete. But his last year to two he goes
to Indianapolis, he just can't move, dude. He was out
of this world in Indianapolis. I think they like eleven
and uh were they eleven and five? He got to
(13:04):
a playoff game in Buffalo they played well.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
You.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Russell's great years get get a little marginalized because of
Marshawn Lynch the defense, and there was a there was
a two to three year period it was one of
the best rosters in thirty years and then to fall
off a cliff and like elite coaches Tomlin Peyton, Yeah,
(13:32):
like we're not interested at all.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I think it.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I think it keeps Russ out.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, well, I think it's really really hard to get
into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And you know
it's a little different because like Russ is doing the
same job that he was doing, like Bill like what
comedia and then went to college, right, So it's it's
it's different where it's like Russ NFL quarterback, NFL quarterback.
(13:58):
But there's a lot of I mean, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning,
Matthew Stafford. I saw you talk about Jared Goff, like
in this era of passing football, it's going to be very,
very very difficult for quarterbacks to get in. What is
most interesting to me about the Russ conversation because you
(14:21):
can make the case for him, has the Super Bowl
had the nine or ten years of like consistent excellence
it's just clear that he is not very liked. Like
it's weird, what does Tony Gonzalez have against Russell Wilson.
But you know, like okay, Richard Sherman, maybe they didn't
(14:41):
get along teammates offense defense riff like what but like
a current Hall of Famer, like a gold jacket member saying,
this guy's not going to wear a gold jacket. And
it's not like a steroid situation or like an ethics
moral of the like what did he do? Why does
he have such a strong opinion about it?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I think there's just a sense that Russell's inauthentic. And
I think there you can literally do awful things as
a pro athlete and still have the respect. I mean,
there was a lot of questions about ray Lewis's involvement
with a murder.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Sure he was still respected by athletes.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
You can be involved in bankruptcies and infidelity. And but
if guys think in the mob, if they think you're
a rat, doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
If you're a big earner, you're a rat.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And in pro football, if guys think you're a phony
and an authentic you're out. I think it's just a line.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You don't Cross, and I think you're probably on it,
and I know that that is just like one clip
from a Thursday night football postgame show that went viral
that is sticking with me. But like if Richard Sherman
would have said that and then Tony Gonzalez would have
kind of like echoed it, I'd be like, Okay, but
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how does Tony Gonzalez know that Richard sure that Russell
Wilson's found Like he wasn't in a huddle with him,
He wasn't in a locker with because Russell Wilson might
make the Hall of Fame and then he would be
in a room with Tony Gonzalez and I'd imagine that
would be a little awkward. So it was just I
can't really think of a comp for a current Hall
(16:24):
of Famer campaigning against a prospective Hall of Famer ever,
unless it's unless it's a moral of the game, because
we had there's a million of them in baseball, but
it's all steroids related, Like it's not just like now
that guy's not good enough to get in.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Well, it's funny because let's say I my marriage, I
didn't have co workers at my marriage.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
I had a.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Wide a chef, producer, a college from end. I had
a wide an agent, I had a neighbor.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
You know, I had a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Of different people, my sister family, my wife's family.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I didn't have broadcasters. Nobody thinks twice about that.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
But if you're an athlete and get married, especially a quarterback,
and you don't have any players involved, it is it
does feel unfairly weird. It's like if you owned a
restaurant and you had nobody from the restaurant at your wedding.
Because we know you work eighty hours a week and
nobody goes to your wedding. You kind of feel like
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in pro sports it's a brotherhood. They ain't gona have
any players. At your weight, you have like one guy.
And I remember reading that story and thinking that feels odd,
and I thought, what wouldn't be odd?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I didn't have broadcasters. But broadcasters go their own.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Separate way, you know what I mean. Like we go in,
we work, we leave, We don't hang out together. Maybe
your first job at El Paso you do, but you know,
as you move on in Chicago, you got wives and kids.
But it's just one of those things that that was
because I was always a big ross defender. And when
I read that story about getting married and there weren't
players there, I was like, that does feel odd that
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that's it, because especially as a quarterback, you'd bring your lineman.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
That was the thing. I was just gonna say, the
quarterback doesn't have friends on the team, that that can't
be good. I would want to be his left tackle. Yeah, No,
he's and una way, I've never met Russell Wilson. He's
clearly a little weird, like he's he's a little different,
little eccentric, which is which is fine. It's just it's
(18:37):
surprising still to me to hear that many those high
profile people, teammates and otherwise speak out against him. And
I'm with you at this point. If I had to
bet on it, on him being a finalist but not
getting in, like getting past like the first couple of
rounds down to the final fifteen and not getting in
like Canton is tough. I you know, we've been off
(18:59):
the last you know for baseball playoffs. But I saw
you at a Jared Goff. You have him as a
Hall of Famer.
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(19:27):
will be a Hall of Famer absolutely, you know, since
twenty seventeen, so that's gonna be nine years. He's like
first in passing touchdowns first, Like yeah, I think people
are shocked. He's had seven offensive coordinators. He was great
with six, like like he works with everybody. And I think,
to me, that's always been it. It'd be one thing
(19:48):
if we're in TV and you had this one great
producer and the rest of your career eight shows bombed.
It's like, Okay, who was your partner? Who was your producer?
Seven coordinators? SA, he's crushed, and it's like, guys his
I always think Hall of Fames are a great ten years.
That's why I never understood the Jim Rice. I know
(20:10):
he wasn't he was difficult with the press or something.
But Jim Rice when I was a kid, was the
best right handed American League power hitter for a decade.
Like it was just like he was one of two.
He and Fred Linn were the Red Sox and like
people went back and forth, and I'm like, what ten
years of greatness is hard for your peak? Maybe eight
(20:30):
physical years. And so if you look at Jared Goff,
he has eight great years. Well, this front office is
so good. Amaran Saint Brown's in his prime. The running
backs one's young, one's not that old. Panay Sewel has
just entered his prime. He's gonna have three to four
big years with Detroit or somebody. Jared's a Hall of
(20:51):
Famer and he's he's made no enemies. Even McVeigh feels
guilty for letting him go.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Which he definitely seems like a very nice guy. Yeah,
I mean Laporta and Jamison Williams are young, you know.
So yeah, he's got got plenty, plenty of young talent.
The numbers are ridiculous. The only thing I would say
is because I love the Lions and they have been
my Super Bowl pick three years in a row. So
eventually maybe I'll get it right. It's not just the
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stats thing, you know, like it's it's it's not like
he does he will need to to hoist the trophy
because like I like, I think Stafford is in because
Stafford is going to finish sixth all time in passing.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yeah, Stafford's in.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I agree, and he had and he has the trophy.
But if Stafford didn't have the trophy.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Very hard probably not, that's what.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
But he's got numbers that are farce. I mean, obviously
we'll see where Jared goffends up, but like it's not
like a guarantee that Jared Goffend's up top five all
time in passing yards.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
He might, but it helps.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
It does help, even though it's not linear. It does
help that Goff is better with the Lions than Stafford was. Yes, yes,
I mean you look at it and you're like, god,
Goff crushed and Stafford never did. Now one of them had, yes,
the best young GM in the sport or one of
the best gms. So it's not apples the orange apples, right,
(22:16):
it's different. But I do think there's you know, that's
just one of those things you look at and you're like, well,
GoF won big in Detroit and we all know it's
same ownership, right, you know, quirky head coach and Dan
Campbell he didn't have McVeigh.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, but I think that like like in a vacuum
in their prime starting a team, right Stafford, Yeah, right,
exactly exactly and so and again that's also not the
criteria for the Hall of Fame. But I remember a
GM was like, my job is to evaluate individual talent
(22:53):
amidst the team sport. Like that's like the job of
the football general manager, right and so like it's why
I've always been a big Herbert guy and like it
just I watch him. And now, not everyone is a
free agent. We are not doing this to start a team,
But I'm like, that guy is one of the five
best at the position. He just doesn't have he doesn't
have the trophy case for it. Stafford in his prime
(23:16):
always felt like the same type of thing to me,
Like I would love to give Howie Roseman the ability
to build a team around Matt Stafford, to give Brett Viach,
to give Brad Holmes, the general manager of the Lions,
like the build to build around the great quarterback because
the tech he's a Hall of Fame talent. And now
I do think that Stafford has enough of a resume
(23:38):
that he will ultimately get in GOFF. I think is
gonna need a trophy, like if he is has regular
season success and counting stats. The Pro Football Hall of
Fame is really tough to get into, so I think
they're gonna have to break through and start winning in
the playoffs.
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(26:23):
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(26:44):
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Speaker 3 (26:56):
He looked like that guy.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's one of my favorite of the week. I also
have this. I think I've told you this, the number four.
I always take the favorite because Vegas doesn't want to
make anybody a four to four and a half point favorite.
They want to go three. They want to go seven.
When they do that four, four and a half five,
it's like, Okay, this team is better. We'd prefer we'd
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prefer to get it down to three.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
They don't want to go to four.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I think Washington's my favorite bet of the week.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Well, I hope you're wrong. We'll start there. I what
I will push back on is you're right. I don't
think that the advantage for the Bears coming out of
the buy is the same as it is for Andy Reid,
Sean Payton, Bruce Arians in terms of like extra game
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planning for Washington, like that is probably not what was happening,
but like, you know what I'd settle for as a
Bears guy, figuring out how to run the ball a
little bit like that. I do think that having a
new coach that is trying to instill a new system.
Having an early buy is helpful because it's more about
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self scouting. It's more about like an extra week of
training camp. And so yeah, it's maybe not like the
conventional ad, but like, maybe the Bears will get the
play call in a few seconds faster, Maybe they'll have
a few fewer pre snap penalties. Maybe they'd have a
game with no pre snap penalties. That would be amazing,
like and so like, those are low bars to clear,
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but I have thought that the Bears have gotten better
week to week to week with Caleb Williams playing on schedule,
playing in the pocket. What Ben Johnson is clearly trying
to get out of him. Some of it was the
opponent right Dallas's defense is a lay up. The Raiders
defense hadn't been very good, that is clearly part of it.
And Washington has a very good pass rush. And we'll
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see how healthy the Bears offensive line ends up being.
We don't know who's going to start a left tackle
or right tackle at this moment in time, which is
not great for the Bears. But I do expect the
Bears to play well because I think that they are
I think that they are very bought in on Ben Johnson.
I do think he's a good coach, and I think
that they are going to self scout like Grady Jared
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and TJ. Edwards, should help their run defense a little bit.
And I just I'm expecting a great game, So I
don't love it as nearly as much as you do
from either side.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I don't you have a pick you love not in
the game.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I don't. I mean again, but part of this is,
I really, really I've got a lot of like take
equity in Caleb Williams being good and this is such
a fun spot for Ben Johnson and the Bears. Like
everybody left Caleb for dead in the Jaden Daniels Caleb
Williams debate, Right, Jaden has this the best rookie year
(29:54):
I've ever seen. Caleb Williams rocky at best, gets his
play caller fired, as head coach fired. Everyone's got Jayden
Daniels is this great guy. It's also the game you'll
remember where the Bears lost on the Hail Mary last
year they were four and two. Tyreek Stevenson is taunting
the crowd and then his guy catches the Hail Mary
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and then the Bears lose ten straight games, so exercising
the demons of the Hail Mary game. Caleb v Jayden,
Ben Johnson out of a bye like I just I
have a sneaking suspicion that we're going to get the
best version of the Bears. They might lose, but I
will be shocked if they play poorly, Like I would
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just be shocked if they played poorly. And I still
have enough root in me for the Bears that I'm
just gonna not bet this one because I'll be sweating
it enough, which is a little embarrassing as a degenerate gambler.
But as of now, I have no bet in the game.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
All right, baseball, Cubs beat the Brewers four to three.
The Brewers have been the better team all year. It's
going to be frustrating as hell to live in Chicago
and have the Packers and the Brewers small market Milwaukee
be superior organizations.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Although I think Ricketts.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Is a really good, above average owner, really in the community,
really respected, really smart guy. Based on how the Cubs
season is gone, Let's say the Cubs lose in four
or five, how will that be viewed? Because I know
when you're a Mariner fan, they're the only team that's
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never been to a World Series. If they get to
the ALCS and they get overwhelmed by Toronto in six,
you'd be like, listen, what a great season. Most of
their guys are in arbitration. It's a young team, I
mean cal Rawley this year's only making two and a half,
like Seattle's young, ascending, loyal fans, only team in the Northwest.
If it goes to the American League Championship Series and
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you win some games, it's just a magical season to remember.
New York once Garrett Cole got hurt, was delusional if
they thought they were going to win the thing. The
Dodgers just have far more good players, and the Brewers
ended up being better than the Yankees and the Blue Jays.
I do believe will win that series. They just they
get they hit too much. I mean the Yankee starters.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Toronto is hitting.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Four thirty nine against Yankee starters. It's like Beer League
softball numbers. So, but how are the Cubs viewed because
Milwaukee has been they swept the Dodgers this year, they.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Have been a freight train.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Let's say they lose the next game, or let's say
they take it five and lose.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
How will that be viewed in Chicago?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Massive disappointment and wildly frustrating, if not expected. Few layers
to it, and maybe the biggest one is the Cubs
stole Craig Council from the Bridge right their manager. They
made him the highest paid manager in the sport by far.
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Everyone has biases, you have to you can trust the
people who admit their biases. I'm friends with Craig Counsel.
He was my brother's childhood best friend. I've known him
since I was six years old. I do a big
charity thing with the Cubs. Like so, I know Craig
pretty well, and I root for the Cubs since I
was a little kid. Craig's brilliant. He's a great manager.
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But the Cubs dwarf the Brewers in payroll. They stole
their manager, and they had fewer wins than the Brewers
last year, and they had fewer wins than the Brewers
this year, And then if the Brewers are the team
that eliminates them from the postseason, it's just not acceptable
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given the payroll and the resources disparities. It's just not
like and Tom Ricketts, by the way, would say the
same thing, like he will not be happy with the
result of that, and Cubs fans would say, well, then
spend more money. And the Cubs were disappointing at the
deadline because Justin Steele, who's their ace, got hurt in
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April out for the year, and they did not make
a big buy at the deadline. They may four moves,
mostly peripherals, smaller moves, and that was seen as very
disappointing because they didn't go out and get a true
difference maker.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Did those moves help.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Well, that's the thing, there really was no true difference
making pitcher who was traded. Like it was a fairly
benign deadline in that way, but fans don't really want
to hear that. And so Steele got hurt in April,
and then Cad Horton's their rookie pitcher, who was an
absolute stud. He got hurt in September, so like so
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it was, oh, wow, Horton's gonna be able to carry him,
and then he got hurt right before the playoffs, so
they started Colin. They had an opener in Game two
against the Padres. They did a bullpen game in game
two of the wild card series. Like that's how depleted
the Cub's pitching staff is so at this point and
showed him. Monaga, who they've paid a bunch of money
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to and was really good, has been struggling and giving
up a ton of homers and he got shelled in
Game two against Milwaukee. So the Cubs just do not
have enough arms. So I will be shocked if the
Cubs beat the Brewers in this series. I'll be shocked
by it. But a lot of people have wanted to
blame Counsel and I just don't think that that is right.
And yes, again I am friends with him, but I
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think objectively, they don't have the arms. They do not
have the horses, and given their payroll and their advantages,
it's wildly disappointing. So hopefully this is a big off
season for them, and I mean listen, first of all,
hopefully they make a run and they shock me and
they make me eat my words. But assuming with your
pretense that they lose in four or five, Cubs fans
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are not going to be satisfied with this year because
of the inactivity of the deadline and because of who
they lost to. They feel like they lost a little
brother and pick up and it's embarrassing you.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Know, it's.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
It's interesting about how this is more of a player
empowerment era the last fifteen years than previously. Yeah, outside
of the SEC and even that scaled back in the
last three or four years, where you can still break
players like it's the seventies. I mean, not shy of
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Woody Hayes, but like, like bad behavior looks like a
lunatic dad screaming at a sun. You can still get
away with that right in the South. I don't think
it works as well in the Big Ten. It's just
a different it. It doesn't work at all on the
West Coast at all.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
It's how about how about the Cardinals? The Cardinals? Yeah,
finding finding Jonathan Gannon? I reread that story. It's hard
to cut you off, but I was just like, like,
I didn't see anyone outraged by.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
It, Like I didn't see so were you bothered by that?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
No? I wasn't. I mean, I like, if a team
wants to find him, that's fine. But like when I
first saw that he was fine, I was like, Oh,
did the NFL find him? And I was like, no,
did the did the players union file a grievance? No?
Was there like a big amount of meat uproar over
what Jonathan Gannon did on the sideline. No, had any
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players come out to our knowledge and said that it
was completely out of line, Like no, like he's what
de Marcado did was intergalactically stupid and his coach blew
a gasket, unbecoming. I wouldn't want him to do it
to my kid in little league or even in like
high school football, or I guess we could talk in
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college for football and professional sports, I don't know a
misdemeanor at best.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, because the power dynamic in college or that, you know,
especially in the last twenty years until recently, the coach
is making eight million a year and the players not
making anything.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
That's a that's a weird power dynamic, like don't touch
the player. Yeah, of course, I.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Mean what Bobby Knight did now would not be tolerated.
It wasn't tolerated then, frankly.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
But no, and no, and nor should it.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
But but in but as a pro athlete, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I'm not saying it's good. But I'm also not at
all offended. And and by the way, like he didn't
like he didn't hit him, but you know what I mean,
like he didn't like punch him in the face like
he wasn't like he was pissed, he was angry in
the moment and he made physical contact with him, like
I didn't. It didn't register to me as this terrible thing.
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And by the way, I don't care that he got
fined either, Like a private business can discipline and employee
and and that's fine. But I was just wondering, like,
who were they doing that on behalf of Like who
who was actually offended by what Jonathan Gannon did to
make them feel like they needed to discipline? It made
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made it made it, It made like the owner, like
maybe just like the owner the owner was.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
As well as probably the weakest owner in the league.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Honestly.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, interesting guy. I think I think there are certain
things the media is more bothered by than like fans,
and I think one of them is treatment of players.
It's always like, I mean, I could name writers that
they're you know, I mean, good god, Kaepernick sued the league.
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He's not going to get a lot of calls when
there's an opening at quarterback like.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
A bunch of media outraged over Gannon.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Oh no, no, no, no, I'm saying, like, but I remember
during the Kaepernick years. I'm like, guys, he sued the league.
If an employee sued me at the volume and he won,
there's no collusion. I wouldn't hire them again. I wouldn't
want the headache. There is no collusion that you don't
have to say certain things, and it's understood. Like when
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you're a kid and mom or dad are pissed, the
kids don't have to gather and vote on the outcome
if you do something stupid again, like they're upset, don't
play ball in the house like this. Everybody know, certainly
your wife's upset with you. I think tonight, tonight, I'll
agree with everything she says, like right, like everybody in
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the house gets that.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
It's the same.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
So, but I do think the media in Phoenix may
have been very pro player and you can't touch a player,
and owners listen and read that stuff and are influenced
by it. Because my take was I would have strongly
considered cutting the player.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, yeah, that I wouldn't bother me. I looked it
up because I wasn't like one hundred percent sure, like
he's the exact type of player that you can cut, right,
I mean, it's not like when DeShawn Jackson did it,
like a decade and a half ago, Like, you're not
cutting DeShawn Jackson, right, like bonehead move, but one of
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the best deep threats in the NFL for a decade,
Like you're not cutting Deshan but like a third year
running back on a minimum contract who had eight carries
before like leading into that game, like you can cut
that guy and so and again I'm this is I'm
not condoning making physical contact with but like Andy Reid
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and Travis Kelcey physical altercation every six weeks, like and
the one that happened a couple of weeks ago was
Andy Reid initiating the physical contact with Travis Kelcey. Like
it just maybe Phoenix media was pissed. Maybe there was
some sort of huge outcry that I completely missed, But
(41:40):
I'm pretty online and I'm pretty plugged into the media.
All of it was what a bonehead played by de Marcado?
And how could it happen the week after? Yeah, Dane
and I Mitchell did it.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
We've had it happened three times because there was a
Jets running back who did it too. And I went
on the air that next day and I said. My
belief on why it's happening more because young people are performative,
and it starts with TikTok and ig and everybody's performative.
Go to a restaurant, people can't eat without taking pictures
of their food. You can't go anywhere in Italy, in Florence,
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it's just young people taking pictures. I've never taken a selfie.
I just I'm not going to do it. I've taken
pictures of my wife and I together to send.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
To the kids.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, but it's we live in this world where twenty somethings,
they're performative. They're always on camera and so as they're scoring,
the first thing many of them think about is I
want to put on a show. What will this look
like if friends take a picture of it? And like
ad Mitchell never scored a touchdown before, like the idea
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that in that moment, the first thing you're thinking of
is show voting is it's beyond me. And apparently Adie
Mitchell is very liked by the Colts and you know
in the room. But yeah, I think you have to
send messages. I would cut players who did that. Football
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because it's kind of a think piece. Derek Thompson writes
for The Atlantic. He's one of my favorite writers. He's
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got he's kind of a theorist. He loves new data,
he loves culture changes. And last week he was talking
and he acknowledges he is center left and he admits it,
you know, he doesn't hide it. But I think he's
a really interesting read. I think he does a podcast
for The Ringer. We at the volume, we weren't really
(44:25):
interested in him, We didn't reach out, but he was
one of the two or three people that we were
just fascinated with. And he and it's really an interesting thing.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
He brought up this week.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
He was complaining about conservatives doing something and he goes,
but what equally drives me crazy is that progresses in California.
Many are against Waimo and their take is we are
unemploying people, that this is not good for jobs. And
his argument was time out. We do not want to
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be the party that's anti tech. Servatives are anti science.
We can't be anti tech. And I read that and
I thought it is fascinating. I used to live in Oregon,
very liberal, and gas stations you can't pump your own gas.
And Oregon's theory is it keeps thousands of people employed
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in the state of Oregon and it rains a lot.
So I kind of like somebody pumping my gas, to
be honest with you. And by the way, gas.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Stations are kind of dirty. You know, you're touching stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
So it's like I always kind of thought it was cool.
He talked to the guy or gal and it's like
that's good. So where would you fall on this? It
absolutely will create job loss. I mean, there's no question
uber drivers are in big trouble in California because I'm
telling you where I live, Way Moa cars are everywhere, Dannie,
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and I prefer them. Nothing against the driver, but no driver.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
And by the way, nobody has stale candy. Nobody wants
to ask me about the eagles. I get in the car,
it gets there fast, and I'm.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
A way mo guy.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Then tens of thousands of people could lose their jobs.
As somebody you acknowledge your center left. What do you
do if you're a Democrat in California. So my take
is I'm pro technology and nobody has a right to
a job. I grew up in a fishing village, and
because the state of Washington limited salmon distribution or the
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number of salmon you could catch, salmon fisherman lost work.
And my stepdad, who was a very much kind of
a man of nature and a man of earth and
a fisherman, and I used to argue with him, I'm
going into broadcasting.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
If radio die tomorrow, I don't have a right to
a job.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
And so it was like, you know, just because you're
a fisherman at twenty eight doesn't mean you want at
forty eight. Like states have legislation they protect our earth.
So I'm for Waymo, which means I'm I have a
four job loss.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
Where do you land?
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, that's a good one, I think in I am
pro innovation and I am and like, there's a lot
of problems with capitalism, but it might be it's the
best we got, like that of a play on that
the old you know, democracy is the worst form of
government except for all the other ones, you know, and
(47:25):
so like, are there problems with it? Yes, are there
unintended consequences? Absolutely, But I don't think you want to
be in the business of stifling innovation because what's the
next thing that that would Like I'd be thrilled if
there was some level of innovation that made pediatric cancer
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doctors have to go extinct because we had solved it,
you know, And so like it's the type of thing
where like just in general, innovation is good, Like the
easy pass put tollbooth workers out of business. But it's
objectively better. We don't have to stop, we don't have
to keep coins in our car. We can just keep
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going on our drive. But it put people out of
business for a better way of life. So I've never
been in a driverless car before, so I'm glad that
I wouldn't be the test case for it. So like,
I'm glad to hear that you're doing it and it's
going well. But like I think that type off if
they can do it, and they clearly can, and I
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I'm aware of Waimo, and I'm aware of the fact
that this is becoming more and more popular. Like, it's
just gonna lead to less auto crashes. It's gonna lead
to people being safer, it's gonna lead a few it's
gonna lead to fewer deaths. Oh right.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Question, Also, there are safety concerns with women and male
Uber drivers. I mean, that's nothing against Tuber. There have
been lots of lawsuits. You can go back and look
at the history of Uber, right, I've been lots of lawsuits.
You eliminate that eliminate. I mean, there's no question the
number of card desks will plummet in America.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
So like that, to me, obvious negative is the job loss,
but there are so many also positives that come with
it that that one, to me is not terribly difficult
to be like, yeah, I'm fine with it. Fine, I'm
fine with it. And in general, again like I there's
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this there's a story arc in The Wire, The Wired.
To me, he's the greatest television show ever And that
show came out twenty years ago, twenty plus years ago
about like the the dock workers and how they could
unload and offload ships like cargo ships, big containers that
weigh you know, thousands of tons and all that stuff.
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And there were the Stevendors were like, that's gonna put
us out of jobs. And they're like, yeah, but you're
not gonna die on the job. And then the stevend
Door's like, but I'd rather get injured on the job
and have a job. But that's not that's not the point.
The guy who developed the technology to offload the cargo
ship faster, more efficiently, no stealing, no injuries, that guy
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created that company to do it. That was innovation, it
was progress, moving it forward. And so it sucks and
by the way, you mentioned the radio thing. I'm thirty.
I turned thirty nine in two weeks. I have no
idea what the next twenty years of media is going
to look like, and like what my career in this industry,
cable television, cord cutting, podcasting. It keeps evolving. We have
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to keep evolving in our field. A lot of people
have to keep evolving in theirs. So it doesn't I
feel bad for the individual who would lose their job
enough to make me anti innovation and progress.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
I mean, listen, I did local TV sportes that kind
of dried up.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
That's a good example. That was a job that in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
Using million dollars a year twenty years ago.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Correct, correct, that's exactly that. That was a seven figure
job into the first part of the twenty first century.
Like Mark jing Greco, friend of mine in Chicago, legend
covered with the bulls, dynasties and all that, he was
still making north of a million dollars into the two thousands. Now,
the people that have that job low six figures and
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nobody watches. You know, it's just a it's just a
completely different ecosystem. And that's just the that's the way
of the world. So are you are you? You're totally
Have you ever had an issue? By the way drivers cam? Yeah,
the vast majority of people here have never been in
a driver listening to this has never been in a
driverless car.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Yeah, I've been in three.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
They're fantastic, and I'm not I'm not anti Uber. I've
spent a lot of money on Uber, but there is
a gap in Uber drivers and if you go, if
you go the lower levels of Uber. I had an
Uber driver because I had a very short drive recently
in Chicago. He pulled up to my street and stopped
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in the middle of the street, didn't pull into my driveway.
There were thirty cars as I walked on the road
to get in and like bowed my head and apologized
and yeah, I mean yeah. And it was the cheapest
level of it because it was like a six minute
drive to the train station. So like weaimo, everybody's good.
They're all the exact same. There's no good, bad smelly.
(52:27):
I mean, I've gotten into Uber cars before and the
music's loud and it smells like hygiene issues. It's like
it's rare, but it happens. Yeah, And there's no question
I So I in Chicago. I take an Uber every
day about a seven to ten minute drive from where
I work to otc Ogilvy train station. Yep, the gap
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incompetency is startling. Yeah, seven to eight minutes for ten
to fifth Now, mind at twelve, I've had twenty three times?
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Now can I can I make a small suggestion to
you before Weymo gets to Chicago. You're a pretty successful guy, Colin.
You can go Uber black. You can? You know, you
know you don't have to. You don't have to be
in the Uber X to save your nine bucks and
get in the back of someone's Corolla like you can.
You can. You could pay up for your Uber black
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and get in a suburban buddy.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
You don't know, Anne, somebody in our family has to
save money.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Fair enough, you know. Nick. Nick and I went to
You'll like this, Nick, and you can cut it if
you want. But Nick and I went to the US
Open and he and getting out of there with cars
is a disaster. And I live in Westchester, which is
suburban New York, and Nick lives in Harlem. So we
were going to go from US Open to Harlem to
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the suburb that I live in. So two stops and
Nick got like an Uber Black because there was just
saved us, you know, thirty plus minutes of like finding
the car, just because leading the us of them. And
he's like, it was three hundred bucks for the car,
spensive car, and he's like, you owe me. He's like,
you know what, he has the ticket. It's very generous,
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and he's like, you know, let's split the car. He's like,
you only one hundred and fifty bucks with the car,
and I had one hundred and thirty in cash on me,
and I gave him the one thirty and said if
I would have gotten the car, I would have gotten
Uber X. He's like sometimes like, so take your one thirty.
He was like all right, and so I am. I
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am the you in this analogy, but I'm hoping that
if I'm ever at your level, I will be the
Nick and the analogy and just pay for the Uber Black.
Speaker 3 (54:47):
By the way, it doesn't really change. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
My wife, my wife to this day will be like,
you have six pair of shoes. I know what you make,
and I'm like, I can live on four. Six is
really pushing it. That's two jogging shoes, Like, come on,
how many brown shoes do you need?
Speaker 3 (55:09):
One's the answer?
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Ones? What is the end? Yeah, I think I've had
I've wont like eleven pairs of jeans in my life.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
I wore I wore a pair of pants today and
I've had these easily a decade. They're gray, and I
always argue they go with everything and they go with
nothing simultaneously. And I had to do a shoot today
and I'm like, could you guys not put these on
camera for a Fox Sunday shoot? And They're like, yeah,
the way the shot works, they're gonna be on camera.
(55:42):
And I'm like, does AI change? Like can we use
that thing on these pants? So I wear stuff to
work that I'm embarrassed to put on camera, and I'm
in a weird way, I'm really proud of it.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, of course. I mean, you know Superman wore the
same thing every day. Steve Jobs wore the same thing
every day?
Speaker 3 (56:06):
Or is that in the video guy?
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. The Nvidia guy wears the same thing
every day. We're in a good company. We're in good company.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
Danny Parkins, good talking to anybody.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
Oh, Colin, thank you. The volume
The volume.
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
All right, Danny parkins, as he is prone to do
at least once a month, sometimes more. FS one is
joining us and it's a day of breaking news. There
are multiple reports. This is crazy. Sometimes you don't predict something,
but you're not surprised when it happens. Like your buddy
who drives too fast. You wouldn't predict he gets into
a wreck, but if it happens, you know, bangs into
a fire hyder, and you'd be like, well, Bob drives
(00:50):
a little fast. Bill Belichick may not last the season.
They're working on a buyout, and you know, first whenever
you get a friends and family staff, He and Mike
Lombardi kids on the staff, highly compensated. I'm never a
huge fan of that. But I think sometimes we look
(01:12):
at college as this inferior product of the NFL, and
in terms of like talent, it is, but it is
a really hard trail to navigate. Donors, boosters, nil AD, NCAA.
When you're an NFL coach, you have an impulsive owner.
Then you kind of just do what you want to do.
(01:34):
I mean, Brett Veach is not banging down a door
to tell Andy what to run on second and before
I could argue there are more landmines for a college
coach than a pro coach, and I just don't think
Bill at this point has the tolerance for it.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
That's kind of my take.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
He's just not built for college football.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I don't think he ever wanted to be there in
the first place. He said it at the time, like
I was like, I'm gonna be the last person who
believes that this is going to actually happen, Like it
all felt beneath him, Like I remember when he was
photographed at a Chick fil A in Atlanta after his
(02:15):
interview with Arthur Blank, Like that was two hiring cycles ago,
and then he won, and then he did all of
the media jobs and he was hoping to get another
NFL job and it never came, and so he's like, well,
I guess coaching in college is better than coach than
doing media, and I'm sure for a lifelong coach that
(02:36):
is correct. But then you saw the buyout reports that
it dipped down to just a million boxers, Like, oh,
he wants to leave open any path to get back
to the NFL. He never wanted to be there in
the first place. And then on top of it, the
embarrassment with whatever you think about the girlfriend situation, the
(02:57):
reporting around that, the loser, and then that's all before
any of the things that you're talking about, which are
of course totally true and valid. But like, if you
didn't really want to be there in the first place,
and then you start getting mocked for being there, and
then you start losing, and you've got eighteen year old
(03:18):
kids mouthing off to you, Like he has to be
miserable right now, Colin.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, And like Labardi's an NFL guy. Charlie Weiss had
some early success at Notre Dame. But Charlie has got
kind of that gruff Northeast personality.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
And that's fine.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Some of those guys lived out there for ten years.
I liked a lot of guys like that. They're really
bottom line, they're kind of gruff, they're kind of kurt.
But you know, Carolina, the Carolinas is different. Everybody's got
a little y'all's. It's you know what I mean, Like
Roy Williams, Dean Smith. There's a certain sensibility to it,
and I just it's a weird fit to me. Like
(03:54):
I think I've told you this before. Maybe I'm obsessed
with this, but I'm always surprised when very success, When
very successful, seemingly bright older men can't aren't self aware,
Like Bobby Knight, Bobby, you gotta do the one and done.
(04:15):
Everybody's doing it. You're gonna get inferior players just too stubborn.
And Bill Belichick, Bill, you you can't spit on Robert
Kraft like he's an owner. Owners are tight, don't You're
not going to win. They'd be like me going against
the Murdochs, like just be a good employee, work your
(04:37):
butt off. If they do something you don't like, eat it,
deal with it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's like I just sometimes I see these older men
and they got they get stuck in their ways. We
all know in our twenties, you kind of have to
follow in line. Maybe it's the wealth of maybe it's
the I don't give a damn, but I mean the
idea that he wouldn't let he wouldn't like tweet Drake
may you know stuff because he was a patriot.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Like does that?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I don't know, have you ever thought about that? We've
seen like the Tony Larus's, the Belichicks, the Bobby Knights.
You're like guys, rigid punctures, brilliant, don't do it?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, I mean Barack Obama said it recently. I mean,
and obviously he's a great orator, but he said something
like eighty percent of the world's problems involve old men
hanging on who are afraid of death and insignificance. Like
there's something to that. And we've got like an age
(05:34):
minimum for you to be president. I'd be interested in
an age maximum, you know, like like a sweet spot
there for just like you want the people who are
governing on the things in our world, like it's to
like maybe impacts them. Uh. And so yeah, I think
like not too come across as too agists here, but
(05:54):
because there are clearly exceptions to the rule. But I
didn't want I would have wanted my NFL t to
hire Pete Carroll, and I know you disagreed on that,
and you like Pete Carroll and by all accounts, Pete
Carroll is like a young mid seventies guys.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I say it was an exception, sure, and.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's and that's fine, and i'll and i'll you know
better than I do, swag brant you that one. But
like the Bears had an opening. If you told me
it was Ben Johnson or Pete Carroll, I'll take Ben
Johnson eleven times out of ten, even though he's not
proven as a head coach, and Pete Carroll is. But
I'd be betting on upside. I'd be betting on ability
to connect with young players. I'd be betting on a
(06:31):
longer runway where he could stay there. So yeah, I
think that it's a real danger for a ton of
people like that. They just get caught in their way.
They get stuck in their ways and they don't evolve.
You know, there was a reporting that Bill Belichick was
pitching these kids that like North Carolina was gonna be
like the thirty third NFL team. That just seems laughable now,
(06:55):
it's it's it seems so laughable that he thought that
he could just sho go up in Chapel Hill with
inferior talent and just be a pipeline to the to
the pros, plug from my book, by the way, pipeline.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
The yeah, the whole thing. You know, there's an there's
a serious argument to me made. I've said this before.
Men are bad at exits. We have a million pickup lines,
but we break up with somebody and don't even text.
We can get into wars. We can always rationalize getting
(07:30):
into wars. We can never get out of them. Men
are bad at exites.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And I when.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Somebody goes through something, I put myself on that spot.
I think what would I would have done? And I
look when Brady retired to New England, and my take,
just for selfishly, for legendary, for legacy preservation, I would
have said, listen, i owe the Crafts one year of stability,
(08:02):
and I'm going to root for Tom Brady harder than
anybody's ever rooted for a player. Will never be the
same franchise without Tom. I'm going to stay for one
year to just get some stability here and get people
kind of ready, and then I'm going to retire and
Bill has kind of a walk off here because if
you remember, they get Cam Newton, he praised Cam Newton.
(08:24):
Cam was past his prime. But you know it was okay,
here comes mac Jones. You know there was a real
moment in time. Bill didn't need the money and he
knew the team wasn't as good, and then he kind
of stayed in state. In fact, I made I said
this on the air, Danny. I said, I don't think
this is true, but knowing Bill's petty and grudge holding personality,
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go to that last draft that Bill controlled slowest team
in the league, two kickers and three interior alignment. It
was like he was saying, I'm going to leave you
with an awful roster. I mean they need they At
one point they drafted three guards like two kickers and
they had no speed. And I think I really do
(09:12):
if you look at that last draft, when Belichick knew
he was in trouble, it was the decisions Matt Patricia,
offensive coordinator. It was like he wanted to humiliate. He
knew his legacy was set. He wanted to humiliate the franchise.
I know it sounds crazy and I don't believe it's true,
but it's not the nuttiest thing I've ever said.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well, no, that's a high bart of clear. Yeah. I
mean he the Patricia the drafts, Like I think there's
like a real legitimate argument to make when you look
at the drafts and beyond the last one of like
Bill Belichick as an evaluator of talent leaves a ton
(09:53):
to be desired.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Oh god, on the offensive side.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
That's kind right exactly, And so he is is Someone
asked me earlier, like, do you think this impacts his
legacy because you kind of hinted at that. I don't
think so. Like, I think that it's humiliating right now,
this is very embarrassing. It feels beneath him. And I
(10:16):
thought that, like I said, I said it on FS
one when I was doing Breakfast Ball. I was like,
I don't believe that he's gonna go to North Carolina
because I don't believe he wants to do it. And
now he's just kind of seeing it through and it's
clearly going horribly. But like in twenty years when we're
talking about the greatest coaches of all time, he's gonna
be on everyone's mount rushmore. Like that's his legacy, is secure.
(10:39):
We don't talk about my Wizards, we don't talk about
Emmett Smith with the Cardinals. Like this is like a
of the moment thing. Now, if you want to have
the like who was more responsible for the Patriots dynasty,
Brady or Belichick?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Pretty clear, pretty clear, Pretty.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Clear, even though the earlier Super Bowls before Brady was
really Brady, those were more Belichick, but like the majority
of them were more Tom than Bill. And then obviously
Bill won the or Tom won the breakup with what
happened in Tampa. So like, if you're having that specific
legacy conversation Brady over Belichick, I think now is going
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to be not a majority opinion, Like I think it's
going to be a consensus, but his greatest football coach
of coaches of your lifetime. Like he's on one hand right,
you know, if not number one.
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Speaker 3 (11:45):
Name the one.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Borderline Hall of Fame guy whose last four years eliminate
him from the Hall of fame.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
That it did.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
It does subtract from his ten great years.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Well, I mean that's the argument that h Richard Sherman
and Tony Gonzalez were making about Russell Wilson Boom.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, so there's no question. Yeah, the fall is so precipitous.
He got kinda weird and it's like Pete get out,
Sean get out, Tomlin, get out, Jackson Dart excuse me,
Russ like it was. I mean, Philip Rivers had the
(12:30):
mobility of a batting cage in Indianapolis. He could, he
was I remember his GM Tom Telesco saying he's the
worst athlete right now in the sport and he is unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Like Tom loved him.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
He's like people understand, he has no athletic ability at
this point in his last year to two, Like it
just he didn't have any left right. Yeah, and he
was never super mobile, but he was. He was a big,
strong athlete. But his last year to two he goes
to Indianapolis, he just can't move, dude. He was out
of this world in Indianapolis. I think they like eleven
and uh were they eleven and five? He got to
(13:04):
a playoff game in Buffalo they played well.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
You.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Russell's great years get get a little marginalized because of
Marshawn Lynch the defense, and there was a there was
a two to three year period it was one of
the best rosters in thirty years and then to fall
off a cliff and like elite coaches Tomlin Peyton, Yeah,
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like we're not interested at all.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I think it.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I think it keeps Russ out.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, well, I think it's really really hard to get
into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And you know
it's a little different because like Russ is doing the
same job that he was doing, like Bill like what
comedia and then went to college, right, So it's it's
it's different where it's like Russ NFL quarterback, NFL quarterback.
(13:58):
But there's a lot of I mean, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning,
Matthew Stafford. I saw you talk about Jared Goff, like
in this era of passing football, it's going to be very,
very very difficult for quarterbacks to get in. What is
most interesting to me about the Russ conversation because you
(14:21):
can make the case for him, has the Super Bowl
had the nine or ten years of like consistent excellence
it's just clear that he is not very liked. Like
it's weird, what does Tony Gonzalez have against Russell Wilson.
But you know, like okay, Richard Sherman, maybe they didn't
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get along teammates offense defense riff like what but like
a current Hall of Famer, like a gold jacket member saying,
this guy's not going to wear a gold jacket. And
it's not like a steroid situation or like an ethics
moral of the like what did he do? Why does
he have such a strong opinion about it?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I think there's just a sense that Russell's inauthentic. And
I think there you can literally do awful things as
a pro athlete and still have the respect. I mean,
there was a lot of questions about ray Lewis's involvement
with a murder.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Sure he was still respected by athletes.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
You can be involved in bankruptcies and infidelity. And but
if guys think in the mob, if they think you're
a rat, doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
If you're a big earner, you're a rat.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And in pro football, if guys think you're a phony
and an authentic you're out. I think it's just a line.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You don't Cross, and I think you're probably on it,
and I know that that is just like one clip
from a Thursday night football postgame show that went viral
that is sticking with me. But like if Richard Sherman
would have said that and then Tony Gonzalez would have
kind of like echoed it, I'd be like, Okay, but
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how does Tony Gonzalez know that Richard sure that Russell
Wilson's found Like he wasn't in a huddle with him,
He wasn't in a locker with because Russell Wilson might
make the Hall of Fame and then he would be
in a room with Tony Gonzalez and I'd imagine that
would be a little awkward. So it was just I
can't really think of a comp for a current Hall
(16:24):
of Famer campaigning against a prospective Hall of Famer ever,
unless it's unless it's a moral of the game, because
we had there's a million of them in baseball, but
it's all steroids related, Like it's not just like now
that guy's not good enough to get in.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Well, it's funny because let's say I my marriage, I
didn't have co workers at my marriage.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
I had a.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Wide a chef, producer, a college from end. I had
a wide an agent, I had a neighbor.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
You know, I had a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Of different people, my sister family, my wife's family.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I didn't have broadcasters. Nobody thinks twice about that.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
But if you're an athlete and get married, especially a quarterback,
and you don't have any players involved, it is it
does feel unfairly weird. It's like if you owned a
restaurant and you had nobody from the restaurant at your wedding.
Because we know you work eighty hours a week and
nobody goes to your wedding. You kind of feel like
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in pro sports it's a brotherhood. They ain't gona have
any players. At your weight, you have like one guy.
And I remember reading that story and thinking that feels odd,
and I thought, what wouldn't be odd?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I didn't have broadcasters. But broadcasters go their own.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Separate way, you know what I mean. Like we go in,
we work, we leave, We don't hang out together. Maybe
your first job at El Paso you do, but you know,
as you move on in Chicago, you got wives and kids.
But it's just one of those things that that was
because I was always a big ross defender. And when
I read that story about getting married and there weren't
players there, I was like, that does feel odd that
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that's it, because especially as a quarterback, you'd bring your lineman.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
That was the thing. I was just gonna say, the
quarterback doesn't have friends on the team, that that can't
be good. I would want to be his left tackle. Yeah, No,
he's and una way, I've never met Russell Wilson. He's
clearly a little weird, like he's he's a little different,
little eccentric, which is which is fine. It's just it's
(18:37):
surprising still to me to hear that many those high
profile people, teammates and otherwise speak out against him. And
I'm with you at this point. If I had to
bet on it, on him being a finalist but not
getting in, like getting past like the first couple of
rounds down to the final fifteen and not getting in
like Canton is tough. I you know, we've been off
(18:59):
the last you know for baseball playoffs. But I saw
you at a Jared Goff. You have him as a
Hall of Famer.
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(19:27):
will be a Hall of Famer absolutely, you know, since
twenty seventeen, so that's gonna be nine years. He's like
first in passing touchdowns first, Like yeah, I think people
are shocked. He's had seven offensive coordinators. He was great
with six, like like he works with everybody. And I think,
to me, that's always been it. It'd be one thing
(19:48):
if we're in TV and you had this one great
producer and the rest of your career eight shows bombed.
It's like, Okay, who was your partner? Who was your producer?
Seven coordinators? SA, he's crushed, and it's like, guys his
I always think Hall of Fames are a great ten years.
That's why I never understood the Jim Rice. I know
(20:10):
he wasn't he was difficult with the press or something.
But Jim Rice when I was a kid, was the
best right handed American League power hitter for a decade.
Like it was just like he was one of two.
He and Fred Linn were the Red Sox and like
people went back and forth, and I'm like, what ten
years of greatness is hard for your peak? Maybe eight
(20:30):
physical years. And so if you look at Jared Goff,
he has eight great years. Well, this front office is
so good. Amaran Saint Brown's in his prime. The running
backs one's young, one's not that old. Panay Sewel has
just entered his prime. He's gonna have three to four
big years with Detroit or somebody. Jared's a Hall of
(20:51):
Famer and he's he's made no enemies. Even McVeigh feels
guilty for letting him go.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Which he definitely seems like a very nice guy. Yeah,
I mean Laporta and Jamison Williams are young, you know.
So yeah, he's got got plenty, plenty of young talent.
The numbers are ridiculous. The only thing I would say
is because I love the Lions and they have been
my Super Bowl pick three years in a row. So
eventually maybe I'll get it right. It's not just the
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stats thing, you know, like it's it's it's not like
he does he will need to to hoist the trophy
because like I like, I think Stafford is in because
Stafford is going to finish sixth all time in passing.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yeah, Stafford's in.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I agree, and he had and he has the trophy.
But if Stafford didn't have the trophy.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Very hard probably not, that's what.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
But he's got numbers that are farce. I mean, obviously
we'll see where Jared goffends up, but like it's not
like a guarantee that Jared Goffend's up top five all
time in passing yards.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
He might, but it helps.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
It does help, even though it's not linear. It does
help that Goff is better with the Lions than Stafford was. Yes, yes,
I mean you look at it and you're like, god,
Goff crushed and Stafford never did. Now one of them had, yes,
the best young GM in the sport or one of
the best gms. So it's not apples the orange apples, right,
(22:16):
it's different. But I do think there's you know, that's
just one of those things you look at and you're like, well,
GoF won big in Detroit and we all know it's
same ownership, right, you know, quirky head coach and Dan
Campbell he didn't have McVeigh.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, but I think that like like in a vacuum
in their prime starting a team, right Stafford, Yeah, right,
exactly exactly and so and again that's also not the
criteria for the Hall of Fame. But I remember a
GM was like, my job is to evaluate individual talent
(22:53):
amidst the team sport. Like that's like the job of
the football general manager, right and so like it's why
I've always been a big Herbert guy and like it
just I watch him. And now, not everyone is a
free agent. We are not doing this to start a team,
But I'm like, that guy is one of the five
best at the position. He just doesn't have he doesn't
have the trophy case for it. Stafford in his prime
(23:16):
always felt like the same type of thing to me,
Like I would love to give Howie Roseman the ability
to build a team around Matt Stafford, to give Brett Viach,
to give Brad Holmes, the general manager of the Lions,
like the build to build around the great quarterback because
the tech he's a Hall of Fame talent. And now
I do think that Stafford has enough of a resume
(23:38):
that he will ultimately get in GOFF. I think is
gonna need a trophy, like if he is has regular
season success and counting stats. The Pro Football Hall of
Fame is really tough to get into, so I think
they're gonna have to break through and start winning in
the playoffs.
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Speaker 3 (25:43):
Which is just outrageous.
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The most interesting bet on board, and one I'm feeling
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really add layers to a playbook. Arians and Tom Brady
(26:23):
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Deebo Samuels. If you watch the second half of the
Chargers Commander's game, Jaden Daniels was Jayden Daniels spinning it, accurate,
moving it was Okay, let's not forget how good he
was last year.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
He looked like that guy.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's one of my favorite of the week. I also
have this. I think I've told you this, the number four.
I always take the favorite because Vegas doesn't want to
make anybody a four to four and a half point favorite.
They want to go three. They want to go seven.
When they do that four, four and a half five,
it's like, Okay, this team is better. We'd prefer we'd
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prefer to get it down to three.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
They don't want to go to four.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I think Washington's my favorite bet of the week.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Well, I hope you're wrong. We'll start there. I what
I will push back on is you're right. I don't
think that the advantage for the Bears coming out of
the buy is the same as it is for Andy Reid,
Sean Payton, Bruce Arians in terms of like extra game
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planning for Washington, like that is probably not what was happening,
but like, you know what I'd settle for as a
Bears guy, figuring out how to run the ball a
little bit like that. I do think that having a
new coach that is trying to instill a new system.
Having an early buy is helpful because it's more about
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self scouting. It's more about like an extra week of
training camp. And so yeah, it's maybe not like the
conventional ad, but like, maybe the Bears will get the
play call in a few seconds faster, Maybe they'll have
a few fewer pre snap penalties. Maybe they'd have a
game with no pre snap penalties. That would be amazing,
like and so like, those are low bars to clear,
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but I have thought that the Bears have gotten better
week to week to week with Caleb Williams playing on schedule,
playing in the pocket. What Ben Johnson is clearly trying
to get out of him. Some of it was the
opponent right Dallas's defense is a lay up. The Raiders
defense hadn't been very good, that is clearly part of it.
And Washington has a very good pass rush. And we'll
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see how healthy the Bears offensive line ends up being.
We don't know who's going to start a left tackle
or right tackle at this moment in time, which is
not great for the Bears. But I do expect the
Bears to play well because I think that they are
I think that they are very bought in on Ben Johnson.
I do think he's a good coach, and I think
that they are going to self scout like Grady Jared
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and TJ. Edwards, should help their run defense a little bit.
And I just I'm expecting a great game, So I
don't love it as nearly as much as you do
from either side.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I don't you have a pick you love not in
the game.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I don't. I mean again, but part of this is,
I really, really I've got a lot of like take
equity in Caleb Williams being good and this is such
a fun spot for Ben Johnson and the Bears. Like
everybody left Caleb for dead in the Jaden Daniels Caleb
Williams debate, Right, Jaden has this the best rookie year
(29:54):
I've ever seen. Caleb Williams rocky at best, gets his
play caller fired, as head coach fired. Everyone's got Jayden
Daniels is this great guy. It's also the game you'll
remember where the Bears lost on the Hail Mary last
year they were four and two. Tyreek Stevenson is taunting
the crowd and then his guy catches the Hail Mary
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and then the Bears lose ten straight games, so exercising
the demons of the Hail Mary game. Caleb v Jayden,
Ben Johnson out of a bye like I just I
have a sneaking suspicion that we're going to get the
best version of the Bears. They might lose, but I
will be shocked if they play poorly, Like I would
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just be shocked if they played poorly. And I still
have enough root in me for the Bears that I'm
just gonna not bet this one because I'll be sweating
it enough, which is a little embarrassing as a degenerate gambler.
But as of now, I have no bet in the game.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
All right, baseball, Cubs beat the Brewers four to three.
The Brewers have been the better team all year. It's
going to be frustrating as hell to live in Chicago
and have the Packers and the Brewers small market Milwaukee
be superior organizations.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Although I think Ricketts.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Is a really good, above average owner, really in the community,
really respected, really smart guy. Based on how the Cubs
season is gone, Let's say the Cubs lose in four
or five, how will that be viewed? Because I know
when you're a Mariner fan, they're the only team that's
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never been to a World Series. If they get to
the ALCS and they get overwhelmed by Toronto in six,
you'd be like, listen, what a great season. Most of
their guys are in arbitration. It's a young team, I
mean cal Rawley this year's only making two and a half,
like Seattle's young, ascending, loyal fans, only team in the Northwest.
If it goes to the American League Championship Series and
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you win some games, it's just a magical season to remember.
New York once Garrett Cole got hurt, was delusional if
they thought they were going to win the thing. The
Dodgers just have far more good players, and the Brewers
ended up being better than the Yankees and the Blue Jays.
I do believe will win that series. They just they
get they hit too much. I mean the Yankee starters.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Toronto is hitting.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Four thirty nine against Yankee starters. It's like Beer League
softball numbers. So, but how are the Cubs viewed because
Milwaukee has been they swept the Dodgers this year, they.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Have been a freight train.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Let's say they lose the next game, or let's say
they take it five and lose.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
How will that be viewed in Chicago?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Massive disappointment and wildly frustrating, if not expected. Few layers
to it, and maybe the biggest one is the Cubs
stole Craig Council from the Bridge right their manager. They
made him the highest paid manager in the sport by far.
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Everyone has biases, you have to you can trust the
people who admit their biases. I'm friends with Craig Counsel.
He was my brother's childhood best friend. I've known him
since I was six years old. I do a big
charity thing with the Cubs. Like so, I know Craig
pretty well, and I root for the Cubs since I
was a little kid. Craig's brilliant. He's a great manager.
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But the Cubs dwarf the Brewers in payroll. They stole
their manager, and they had fewer wins than the Brewers
last year, and they had fewer wins than the Brewers
this year, And then if the Brewers are the team
that eliminates them from the postseason, it's just not acceptable
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given the payroll and the resources disparities. It's just not
like and Tom Ricketts, by the way, would say the
same thing, like he will not be happy with the
result of that, and Cubs fans would say, well, then
spend more money. And the Cubs were disappointing at the
deadline because Justin Steele, who's their ace, got hurt in
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April out for the year, and they did not make
a big buy at the deadline. They may four moves,
mostly peripherals, smaller moves, and that was seen as very
disappointing because they didn't go out and get a true
difference maker.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Did those moves help.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Well, that's the thing, there really was no true difference
making pitcher who was traded. Like it was a fairly
benign deadline in that way, but fans don't really want
to hear that. And so Steele got hurt in April,
and then Cad Horton's their rookie pitcher, who was an
absolute stud. He got hurt in September, so like so
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it was, oh, wow, Horton's gonna be able to carry him,
and then he got hurt right before the playoffs, so
they started Colin. They had an opener in Game two
against the Padres. They did a bullpen game in game
two of the wild card series. Like that's how depleted
the Cub's pitching staff is so at this point and
showed him. Monaga, who they've paid a bunch of money
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to and was really good, has been struggling and giving
up a ton of homers and he got shelled in
Game two against Milwaukee. So the Cubs just do not
have enough arms. So I will be shocked if the
Cubs beat the Brewers in this series. I'll be shocked
by it. But a lot of people have wanted to
blame Counsel and I just don't think that that is right.
And yes, again I am friends with him, but I
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think objectively, they don't have the arms. They do not
have the horses, and given their payroll and their advantages,
it's wildly disappointing. So hopefully this is a big off
season for them, and I mean listen, first of all,
hopefully they make a run and they shock me and
they make me eat my words. But assuming with your
pretense that they lose in four or five, Cubs fans
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are not going to be satisfied with this year because
of the inactivity of the deadline and because of who
they lost to. They feel like they lost a little
brother and pick up and it's embarrassing you.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Know, it's.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
It's interesting about how this is more of a player
empowerment era the last fifteen years than previously. Yeah, outside
of the SEC and even that scaled back in the
last three or four years, where you can still break
players like it's the seventies. I mean, not shy of
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Woody Hayes, but like, like bad behavior looks like a
lunatic dad screaming at a sun. You can still get
away with that right in the South. I don't think
it works as well in the Big Ten. It's just
a different it. It doesn't work at all on the
West Coast at all.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
It's how about how about the Cardinals? The Cardinals? Yeah,
finding finding Jonathan Gannon? I reread that story. It's hard
to cut you off, but I was just like, like,
I didn't see anyone outraged by.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
It, Like I didn't see so were you bothered by that?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
No? I wasn't. I mean, I like, if a team
wants to find him, that's fine. But like when I
first saw that he was fine, I was like, Oh,
did the NFL find him? And I was like, no,
did the did the players union file a grievance? No?
Was there like a big amount of meat uproar over
what Jonathan Gannon did on the sideline. No, had any
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players come out to our knowledge and said that it
was completely out of line, Like no, like he's what
de Marcado did was intergalactically stupid and his coach blew
a gasket, unbecoming. I wouldn't want him to do it
to my kid in little league or even in like
high school football, or I guess we could talk in
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college for football and professional sports, I don't know a
misdemeanor at best.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, because the power dynamic in college or that, you know,
especially in the last twenty years until recently, the coach
is making eight million a year and the players not
making anything.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
That's a that's a weird power dynamic, like don't touch
the player. Yeah, of course, I.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Mean what Bobby Knight did now would not be tolerated.
It wasn't tolerated then, frankly.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
But no, and no, and nor should it.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
But but in but as a pro athlete, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I'm not saying it's good. But I'm also not at
all offended. And and by the way, like he didn't
like he didn't hit him, but you know what I mean,
like he didn't like punch him in the face like
he wasn't like he was pissed, he was angry in
the moment and he made physical contact with him, like
I didn't. It didn't register to me as this terrible thing.
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And by the way, I don't care that he got
fined either, Like a private business can discipline and employee
and and that's fine. But I was just wondering, like,
who were they doing that on behalf of Like who
who was actually offended by what Jonathan Gannon did to
make them feel like they needed to discipline? It made
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made it made it, It made like the owner, like
maybe just like the owner the owner was.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
As well as probably the weakest owner in the league.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Honestly.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, interesting guy. I think I think there are certain
things the media is more bothered by than like fans,
and I think one of them is treatment of players.
It's always like, I mean, I could name writers that
they're you know, I mean, good god, Kaepernick sued the league.
(39:19):
He's not going to get a lot of calls when
there's an opening at quarterback like.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
A bunch of media outraged over Gannon.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Oh no, no, no, no, I'm saying, like, but I remember
during the Kaepernick years. I'm like, guys, he sued the league.
If an employee sued me at the volume and he won,
there's no collusion. I wouldn't hire them again. I wouldn't
want the headache. There is no collusion that you don't
have to say certain things, and it's understood. Like when
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you're a kid and mom or dad are pissed, the
kids don't have to gather and vote on the outcome
if you do something stupid again, like they're upset, don't
play ball in the house like this. Everybody know, certainly
your wife's upset with you. I think tonight, tonight, I'll
agree with everything she says, like right, like everybody in
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the house gets that.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
It's the same.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
So, but I do think the media in Phoenix may
have been very pro player and you can't touch a player,
and owners listen and read that stuff and are influenced
by it. Because my take was I would have strongly
considered cutting the player.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, yeah, that I wouldn't bother me. I looked it
up because I wasn't like one hundred percent sure, like
he's the exact type of player that you can cut, right,
I mean, it's not like when DeShawn Jackson did it,
like a decade and a half ago, Like, you're not
cutting DeShawn Jackson, right, like bonehead move, but one of
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the best deep threats in the NFL for a decade,
Like you're not cutting Deshan but like a third year
running back on a minimum contract who had eight carries
before like leading into that game, like you can cut
that guy and so and again I'm this is I'm
not condoning making physical contact with but like Andy Reid
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and Travis Kelcey physical altercation every six weeks, like and
the one that happened a couple of weeks ago was
Andy Reid initiating the physical contact with Travis Kelcey. Like
it just maybe Phoenix media was pissed. Maybe there was
some sort of huge outcry that I completely missed, But
(41:40):
I'm pretty online and I'm pretty plugged into the media.
All of it was what a bonehead played by de Marcado?
And how could it happen the week after? Yeah, Dane
and I Mitchell did it.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
We've had it happened three times because there was a
Jets running back who did it too. And I went
on the air that next day and I said. My
belief on why it's happening more because young people are performative,
and it starts with TikTok and ig and everybody's performative.
Go to a restaurant, people can't eat without taking pictures
of their food. You can't go anywhere in Italy, in Florence,
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it's just young people taking pictures. I've never taken a selfie.
I just I'm not going to do it. I've taken
pictures of my wife and I together to send.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
To the kids.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, but it's we live in this world where twenty somethings,
they're performative. They're always on camera and so as they're scoring,
the first thing many of them think about is I
want to put on a show. What will this look
like if friends take a picture of it? And like
ad Mitchell never scored a touchdown before, like the idea
(42:49):
that in that moment, the first thing you're thinking of
is show voting is it's beyond me. And apparently Adie
Mitchell is very liked by the Colts and you know
in the room. But yeah, I think you have to
send messages. I would cut players who did that. Football
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because it's kind of a think piece. Derek Thompson writes
for The Atlantic. He's one of my favorite writers. He's
(44:05):
got he's kind of a theorist. He loves new data,
he loves culture changes. And last week he was talking
and he acknowledges he is center left and he admits it,
you know, he doesn't hide it. But I think he's
a really interesting read. I think he does a podcast
for The Ringer. We at the volume, we weren't really
(44:25):
interested in him, We didn't reach out, but he was
one of the two or three people that we were
just fascinated with. And he and it's really an interesting thing.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
He brought up this week.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
He was complaining about conservatives doing something and he goes,
but what equally drives me crazy is that progresses in California.
Many are against Waimo and their take is we are
unemploying people, that this is not good for jobs. And
his argument was time out. We do not want to
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be the party that's anti tech. Servatives are anti science.
We can't be anti tech. And I read that and
I thought it is fascinating. I used to live in Oregon,
very liberal, and gas stations you can't pump your own gas.
And Oregon's theory is it keeps thousands of people employed
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in the state of Oregon and it rains a lot.
So I kind of like somebody pumping my gas, to
be honest with you. And by the way, gas.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Stations are kind of dirty. You know, you're touching stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
So it's like I always kind of thought it was cool.
He talked to the guy or gal and it's like
that's good. So where would you fall on this? It
absolutely will create job loss. I mean, there's no question
uber drivers are in big trouble in California because I'm
telling you where I live, Way Moa cars are everywhere, Dannie,
(45:50):
and I prefer them. Nothing against the driver, but no driver.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
And by the way, nobody has stale candy. Nobody wants
to ask me about the eagles. I get in the car,
it gets there fast, and I'm.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
A way mo guy.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Then tens of thousands of people could lose their jobs.
As somebody you acknowledge your center left. What do you
do if you're a Democrat in California. So my take
is I'm pro technology and nobody has a right to
a job. I grew up in a fishing village, and
because the state of Washington limited salmon distribution or the
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number of salmon you could catch, salmon fisherman lost work.
And my stepdad, who was a very much kind of
a man of nature and a man of earth and
a fisherman, and I used to argue with him, I'm
going into broadcasting.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
If radio die tomorrow, I don't have a right to
a job.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
And so it was like, you know, just because you're
a fisherman at twenty eight doesn't mean you want at
forty eight. Like states have legislation they protect our earth.
So I'm for Waymo, which means I'm I have a
four job loss.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
Where do you land?
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, that's a good one, I think in I am
pro innovation and I am and like, there's a lot
of problems with capitalism, but it might be it's the
best we got, like that of a play on that
the old you know, democracy is the worst form of
government except for all the other ones, you know, and
(47:25):
so like, are there problems with it? Yes, are there
unintended consequences? Absolutely, But I don't think you want to
be in the business of stifling innovation because what's the
next thing that that would Like I'd be thrilled if
there was some level of innovation that made pediatric cancer
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doctors have to go extinct because we had solved it,
you know, And so like it's the type of thing
where like just in general, innovation is good, Like the
easy pass put tollbooth workers out of business. But it's
objectively better. We don't have to stop, we don't have
to keep coins in our car. We can just keep
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going on our drive. But it put people out of
business for a better way of life. So I've never
been in a driverless car before, so I'm glad that
I wouldn't be the test case for it. So like,
I'm glad to hear that you're doing it and it's
going well. But like I think that type off if
they can do it, and they clearly can, and I
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I'm aware of Waimo, and I'm aware of the fact
that this is becoming more and more popular. Like, it's
just gonna lead to less auto crashes. It's gonna lead
to people being safer, it's gonna lead a few it's
gonna lead to fewer deaths. Oh right.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Question, Also, there are safety concerns with women and male
Uber drivers. I mean, that's nothing against Tuber. There have
been lots of lawsuits. You can go back and look
at the history of Uber, right, I've been lots of lawsuits.
You eliminate that eliminate. I mean, there's no question the
number of card desks will plummet in America.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
So like that, to me, obvious negative is the job loss,
but there are so many also positives that come with
it that that one, to me is not terribly difficult
to be like, yeah, I'm fine with it. Fine, I'm
fine with it. And in general, again like I there's
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this there's a story arc in The Wire, The Wired.
To me, he's the greatest television show ever And that
show came out twenty years ago, twenty plus years ago
about like the the dock workers and how they could
unload and offload ships like cargo ships, big containers that
weigh you know, thousands of tons and all that stuff.
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And there were the Stevendors were like, that's gonna put
us out of jobs. And they're like, yeah, but you're
not gonna die on the job. And then the stevend
Door's like, but I'd rather get injured on the job
and have a job. But that's not that's not the point.
The guy who developed the technology to offload the cargo
ship faster, more efficiently, no stealing, no injuries, that guy
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created that company to do it. That was innovation, it
was progress, moving it forward. And so it sucks and
by the way, you mentioned the radio thing. I'm thirty.
I turned thirty nine in two weeks. I have no
idea what the next twenty years of media is going
to look like, and like what my career in this industry,
cable television, cord cutting, podcasting. It keeps evolving. We have
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to keep evolving in our field. A lot of people
have to keep evolving in theirs. So it doesn't I
feel bad for the individual who would lose their job
enough to make me anti innovation and progress.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
I mean, listen, I did local TV sportes that kind
of dried up.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
That's a good example. That was a job that in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
Using million dollars a year twenty years ago.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Correct, correct, that's exactly that. That was a seven figure
job into the first part of the twenty first century.
Like Mark jing Greco, friend of mine in Chicago, legend
covered with the bulls, dynasties and all that, he was
still making north of a million dollars into the two thousands. Now,
the people that have that job low six figures and
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nobody watches. You know, it's just a it's just a
completely different ecosystem. And that's just the that's the way
of the world. So are you are you? You're totally
Have you ever had an issue? By the way drivers cam? Yeah,
the vast majority of people here have never been in
a driver listening to this has never been in a
driverless car.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Yeah, I've been in three.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
They're fantastic, and I'm not I'm not anti Uber. I've
spent a lot of money on Uber, but there is
a gap in Uber drivers and if you go, if
you go the lower levels of Uber. I had an
Uber driver because I had a very short drive recently
in Chicago. He pulled up to my street and stopped
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in the middle of the street, didn't pull into my driveway.
There were thirty cars as I walked on the road
to get in and like bowed my head and apologized
and yeah, I mean yeah. And it was the cheapest
level of it because it was like a six minute
drive to the train station. So like weaimo, everybody's good.
They're all the exact same. There's no good, bad smelly.
(52:27):
I mean, I've gotten into Uber cars before and the
music's loud and it smells like hygiene issues. It's like
it's rare, but it happens. Yeah, And there's no question
I So I in Chicago. I take an Uber every
day about a seven to ten minute drive from where
I work to otc Ogilvy train station. Yep, the gap
(52:52):
incompetency is startling. Yeah, seven to eight minutes for ten
to fifth Now, mind at twelve, I've had twenty three times?
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Now can I can I make a small suggestion to
you before Weymo gets to Chicago. You're a pretty successful guy, Colin.
You can go Uber black. You can? You know, you
know you don't have to. You don't have to be
in the Uber X to save your nine bucks and
get in the back of someone's Corolla like you can.
You can. You could pay up for your Uber black
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and get in a suburban buddy.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
You don't know, Anne, somebody in our family has to
save money.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Fair enough, you know. Nick. Nick and I went to
You'll like this, Nick, and you can cut it if
you want. But Nick and I went to the US
Open and he and getting out of there with cars
is a disaster. And I live in Westchester, which is
suburban New York, and Nick lives in Harlem. So we
were going to go from US Open to Harlem to
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the suburb that I live in. So two stops and
Nick got like an Uber Black because there was just
saved us, you know, thirty plus minutes of like finding
the car, just because leading the us of them. And
he's like, it was three hundred bucks for the car,
spensive car, and he's like, you owe me. He's like,
you know what, he has the ticket. It's very generous,
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and he's like, you know, let's split the car. He's like,
you only one hundred and fifty bucks with the car,
and I had one hundred and thirty in cash on me,
and I gave him the one thirty and said if
I would have gotten the car, I would have gotten
Uber X. He's like sometimes like, so take your one thirty.
He was like all right, and so I am. I
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am the you in this analogy, but I'm hoping that
if I'm ever at your level, I will be the
Nick and the analogy and just pay for the Uber Black.
Speaker 3 (54:47):
By the way, it doesn't really change. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
My wife, my wife to this day will be like,
you have six pair of shoes. I know what you make,
and I'm like, I can live on four. Six is
really pushing it. That's two jogging shoes, Like, come on,
how many brown shoes do you need?
Speaker 3 (55:09):
One's the answer?
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Ones? What is the end? Yeah, I think I've had
I've wont like eleven pairs of jeans in my life.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
I wore I wore a pair of pants today and
I've had these easily a decade. They're gray, and I
always argue they go with everything and they go with
nothing simultaneously. And I had to do a shoot today
and I'm like, could you guys not put these on
camera for a Fox Sunday shoot? And They're like, yeah,
the way the shot works, they're gonna be on camera.
(55:42):
And I'm like, does AI change? Like can we use
that thing on these pants? So I wear stuff to
work that I'm embarrassed to put on camera, and I'm
in a weird way, I'm really proud of it.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, of course. I mean, you know Superman wore the
same thing every day. Steve Jobs wore the same thing
every day?
Speaker 3 (56:06):
Or is that in the video guy?
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. The Nvidia guy wears the same thing
every day. We're in a good company. We're in good company.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
Danny Parkins, good talking to anybody.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
Oh, Colin, thank you. The volume
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