October 7, 2024 • 36 mins
We’re back with Season 2, Episode 108 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Eric Gordon where the guys talk about EG’s illustrious basketball career that dates back his AAU days in Indianapolis against Jeff. The guys talk about the James Harden Houston Rockets team, stopping Karl Anthony-Towns in the post, and teaming up with Joel Embiid on the Philadelphia 76ers for the upcoming 2024-25 season. #Volume #Club
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Speaker 2 (01:22):
All right, man, we back another wonderful episode of Club
five twenty podcasts. I'm the host. My name is DJ Wells,
Special special guests. To my left man, we're gonna introduce
my man's last. To my far left, we got my
dog Bishop be hearing out the prailes.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
How you what nasty, cool and national. Let's get to
a baby.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I know what I'm saying. I know you know I'm saying.
You know what you really normally be on. But you
got the Adida's all for each today.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Yeah, Adida's athlete, this nasty, this one for you.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And the other time we got them the villain shoes
on over there. So I'm happy show respect to our guests.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
One time. To my right, my dog young natcho, young
tag got you what man.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Chilling bro, Another whole seven graduate in the building. So
it's about to be a good.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Pot for sure, for sure, man, Like you said, another
seven class. Listen, man, we got a legend in the building,
Indiana legend. Anytime you talk about high school basketball, you
better mention his name right here. Man, we got aj
Eric Gord seventeen year NBA vetting the building.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Appreciate you, big doll sliding through man.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
No doubt. Man, it's been a long time coming up.
Should have been a long time ago, but it's it's
good that.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
I'm here now.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
You've been busy getting money, man, We understand you, stid o,
busy getting to it. We under stay your sketch a
little bit different nine months out of the year. But listen, man,
we gotta take it back, y'all. Origin of basketball, playing
each other. What I'm saying eighty Naples, Indiana one of
the best places to play basketball. And we always talk
about who was called growing up, and nobody ever goes
against it. Everybody knows since Lisa, you was the coldest, bro.
(02:42):
How was that growing up with them? Type of expectations?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Bro, Well, I mean it was different because you know,
I've been playing agains Jeff since I would say what
would you say about eight years old?
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Gardens and shout out of the gardens.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
The funniest thing is growing up from l Elementary school
in middle school, I was always the shortest kid out there,
Like I was the smallest. I was the shortest, but
I always had, you know, I mean, my game was there,
but I was just the shortest person on out there.
And then as I reached around, you know, eighth grade,
I mean I was dimner built like a grown man
(03:17):
at the in seventh grade, I mean I barely even
played because I was growing so much. And you know,
a lot of motherfuckers thought I was on steroids or whatever.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
But I did. I did get up.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
You all your origin, you know, but ej we thought
she was on that ship. That ship. I grew a
lot and but uh, and then going into high school,
I was able to really uh propel to me myself.
I ain't trying to throw you, you know, your folks
address out. But did you always live that close to
the j c C majority of my life? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Majority shout out to the j c C sleep hoop
sessions in the city, for sure.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Your Daddy's stilling with it over there. Yeah, he's still
over there. You still shout to Pops.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Man. Love seeing Pops out man, especially not doing with
the program for the kids. Man. I love seeing him
at the term as man. He be holding down for
real facts like he j was the first dude. When
we was little, I seen hit the left hand layup.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Now besides know Reese was left handed, but Eric went
to the basket and he switched to the left. I
think he was like third grade, second third grade. And
my Pops was like, now that's a player. You know
how my pops is. He always goes big somebody else
up I was. I was at home, pitch should have
left hand. Still can't shooting to this day. Fuck, it's
cool though he.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Cold Joe Pop start you off with the fundamembers first though,
he for sure did. That was the number one thing
and shooting was number one. Handles the second and uh,
I mean he made it. He kept it very simple
for me. I mean he was hard on me. Like
he was hard on me to be honest. He really
made me hate everybody I played against when I was
in high school. Tell you so, I put it like this,
(05:01):
I knew he was gonna play Pike first game, and.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
You know on that Monday.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
On that Monday, my dad would be like, hey, Jeff, Jeff,
he's gonna be ready to go. What the hell you
gonna do? I mean, you know he's got the handles.
You know, he's got a jump shot. I mean, what
you're gonna do because half the time you might guard him,
you might not, but what you're gonna bring to the table.
And he did that every week, just passed me on
and passed me on, like, Ea, Chicago, he eat one more.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
You know, what are you gonna do against him?
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Like he made me really hate every one of y'all
before the week.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
You know, I didn't want to talk to us.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Sam.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'm like, what's up, boy? You're good.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I'm like, damn, well fuck you.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
He just kill you.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
After a while, Like this said ship to him. Man,
I don't know what to a robot. So your dad
put that killer instinct.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
In you, like he never he didn't believe in bad games.
She didn't believe. He said, you just figure out a way.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
He always wanted me to score and always wanted me
to win. But uh, I'm telling you when when well
we was going against in a big game, whoever their
best player, best player was. I mean, he just wanted
me to go go after him, and uh so it's
just that's that's definitely part of the story. And uh
because you know that I was going to gainst A
(06:23):
lot of good players were talking about you, Michael Conley, Golden,
the list goes on for real them of course, baking
them ship. Did you ever play? Uh what ship? Walter
was hyped back.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Then a little bit.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
I mean see what we've even played against Gordon Hayward
and Brownsburg. We traveled and I mean we traveled. I
mean we were traveling everywhere he played too, he started laughing.
Hold I did.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
That switch was crazy, motherfucker.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I don't set a pick on me so hard to
the ground for speed.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
That's what when we get to the high school stuff. Though,
you was a part of one of the best ATU
teams ever. Man, we talk about it all the time.
How was that like planning that experience with that crazy
ass team? Did y'all know y'all was that good at
the time?
Speaker 5 (07:32):
No, we knew that was We knew there you talking
about speech Indie heat Absolutely, yeah, No, we we knew
that we were that good because we we were body
and we weren't trying to be like most people. Most
kids out there trying to score thirty forty fifty points.
I mean the average I would say the high score
of that game probably would had eighteen sixteen. And everybody
(07:52):
shared the ball, everybody, and we won every game, like
every game that we when we were all healthy, we
won every game. So but I think in three summers,
only lost probably two three games. Yeah, I was, I
was whooping. Ship. You ever remember one of your toughest
matchups back then, because when you played little Will Lou
(08:12):
Williams was a major problem. I've never seen too many
guys like him in high school. I mean I remember
that d game which Georgia wh he had an NBA
game in high school, Like he played like how he is,
but imagine way more athletic, and Lou Will would dunk
on you in high school too, Like there was he
(08:32):
he was.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Lou was a proud Yeah, he was made shout.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Yeah, like what he was doing the NBA. I mean
he in high school. I mean it was just with
more athletics.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
But that's what I tell people about you, Like when
we go to when we got when you got to
the league, and shit, everybody was like, man.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I'm like, man, I should have seen how athletic he
was in high school.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I'm like, the fucker dunk on a free throw line
a type of crazy ship like, and people know you
as a shooter. I'm like, he was shooting like that,
but that used to dunk on everybody.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah, no, I said I did early on in my
career before I had those injuries during my time in
New Orleans.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
But yeah, I would.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
No, I know, I remember Tommy friends to Tommy.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Ain't gonna do I remember.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Here.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Now we know he was one heat, but you know
what I'm saying. You finished your career with a different
team and was the reason he got dunked on court.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
And I remember that game too because I felt like
there was some calls getting missed and we were up
and we were pissed off and then.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Ship No, I just that's when I say, yeah, he
the best player in the country was between you and
Bees because Bees did us bad. And then we was
being young and you went off for like thirty five
in the second half. I'm like, this, motherfucker, here's crazy man,
Like everybody like he was supposed to play with Chelsea. Ye, man, Like,
(10:07):
how you just go lead a year ick Cup?
Speaker 5 (10:09):
What the fuck? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Nah, y'all was cold.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's crazy, Like you said, man shouts to class all seven,
c d Ross retire your form?
Speaker 5 (10:15):
You back?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
How is that? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Like that experience, like because you went from that great
ass speach team to like y'all going crazy, that was different.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah for sure, Cuz uh throughout the high school, man,
I wouldn't say we were enemies, but we always played
against one another and uh, we always and then we
played against each other in a regular high school game
and so uh and then we was like, you know,
I didn't like Indian Elite at the time. And then
I was like, you know what, let's just drawing forces.
And they were like, for sure, let's just make that happen.
(10:45):
And uh, I mean I had a That team was fun, man,
but we only had six seven big players.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah they y'all didn't need nobody else.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I ain't had no real big man. I mean Tim
was a big man, but he was like six four.
He was six four and could do every thing. Yeah man,
he was, but like, yeah, he was a dog for sure.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Was you already committed to Illinois before you went to
Main Streets.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
Yeah, I was committed during my time at Main Streets.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Okay, okay, yeah, we always do like a little moment
of silence for certain.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
I mean me and d Row who was supposed to
go to the same college we used to playing. You know,
it was either Illinois, maybe i U, maybe Memphis and uh,
you know, you know we heard a lot of things
in Illinois, what was going on there, this and that
and uh, but.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
My heart was always an Indiana.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
I always wanted to play at IU always, so uh
but you know it all worked out at the end.
I went to you, he went to Memphis. But sure
I thought I thought we were both gonna go TOU
at one point.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That's crazy. It's crazy they try to put us in
a three guard line. If I remember, Coach Sampson called me.
He was I'm getting you, I'm getting Dereck Rose and
Eric Gordon. I said, what the fuck you think I'm
going there? This call up a little bit, Yeah, all right,
waiting for us here I come, no way.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
He called me out likeic going to Illinois. He was like,
not on my fucking watch. He literally said that out
to the really won't be going there on my watch.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
You watch.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I promise you that team. I promise you, y'all not
getting out of Indiana. I said, Man, I'm not going
I talked about that.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
I'm not going there there automatic number one like after Gate,
Yeah I did. I mean, you always love the how
you growing up.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
But okay, and.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Because I know I wasn't gonna go far. I wanted
my parents and I wanted my family to go to
every game. So that was that was the main thing
for sure. I mean before we get to the college.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
So we got to talk about one of the most
of stored high school basketball games of all time. What
you did to the Jordan kids in North Central Bro
was very disrespectful but still one of the best things ever.
But please recap that because, like you said, you're going
to say these games hating everybody possible.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
The batterial back because what you did is them, Bro,
that looked personal.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Before you start, I just want to say big shout
out to Marcus Jordan. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
If Marcus would have had we had, they might have won.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
You know, I didn't know anything about Loyola Academy, but
you know, first thing to kind of my mind, you
know at Chicago school. You know, I thought, you know,
but then when we when I watched him on film,
and I was like, you know, everything's evolved around the
Jordan kids, like they're the best players on the team,
and and their team was small, and I was like, okay,
(13:52):
every time when I get the ball, if I don't
have a catch and shoot, I'm going down. I'm taking
it to the rack like every time, or I'm gonna
at least try to dunk. But the main thing with
what I really wanted was to do one of Jordan's
dunks in end game.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Respectful Broby, he did he right, he's so disrespectful.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
With Jordan and the crowd.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
What was that a fifty piece?
Speaker 6 (14:16):
What you have? I think it was close by, I
don't know the exact number.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Crying. Then they had the air of Gordy Jerseys. I
was like, oh they wild.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Gordon was insane.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I was like, this is is dope. Though it may
it made me feel good being from Indianapolis though, hell.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, like you said, like you look at them teams,
it was like, okay, y'all come in Chicago. But what
I did was on a daily basis, is people who's
going d one or to the NBA like y'all like.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, like almost everybody on whoever went
to the school in these conference they one player somebody went,
which is crazy. Was trying to tell Norris Norris was
just on you know, shouts Norris. But Indiana was just
different in them times, bro.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And when Union have to leave the city, Like we're
just talking about the Mick, we didn't even go to
the region where you had, like you said, each one,
the Robbie Hummel, Scott Martin's like all that, Like everywhere
in the state it was killers at and it was crazy.
Like for me, I went to j El so I
was at Piking North Central half a day to see
the reception that like y'all got because y'all was cold.
Obviously you was that nigga and it was just like
wet had that much school spirit.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah. North Central, Oh, niggas had the air. Gordon Tee
they had he had.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Merch Boy was back there, Bro, you would have been
a millionaire north Central.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Oh yeah, no, North Central. I loved my time there.
I mean some of the best days my life was there.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
So the fuck fight you can change in our coach
and it wasn't no Irriantine.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Forty four merch.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
They had none of that. Only think we had a
pet rally. We didn't even have a real student section
for for real.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Let you do talking crazy though, Yeah, talking shit.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Let's talk about that. That that senior year mashed up
beginning of the year. It was always a common thing tradition.
Pipe played North Central first game of the year, y'all
senior years. You know what I'm saying, you was going away,
You're going to IU. That's another legendary high school game.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I was that from your side, and he talked about
how you walking to it, Like what would your mind
say going into that. I was always underrated, so I
knew he was the number one player almost in the country.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I was like one hundred or something. So I was
just trying to let people know I can hoop. I
was just trying to go out there and have a
good show. But we used to beat them all the
time before, so I knew. He was like, yeah, it's
my time to beat the ass. Like I was like,
he's gonna come in here on some ship. I ain't
really got reinforcements like I used to have, you.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Know, load and we needed to be loaded.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
So I'm like, it's just me and my guy. I
feel Kyle ain't never played varsity. Fucking I'm about to
shoot this one. So we was having him back and forth,
and at the end of the game, he did what
he had to do.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
You killed though, Bro.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
It looks like thirty three point wise something like that.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, he you did get it going.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
And uh, I just knew like he would always be
up there, like he's always gonna have a good game.
Like I knew a lot of those things. And uh
uh because if if he does well, Pike does well.
You know, even though they got other guys that can
do some things, because y'all still had Cordell pass league
(17:23):
Kyle and Phil and uh big Dennis. Yeah, y'all had
Big Auto though, bro Otto was a motherfucking problem back
in the night to play.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And then you'll had a gang coach there. Now we
didn't know him yet. He came to Senior. I don't
even know he could hoop. He came out hooping. Yeah,
because we just talked. We just game planning for you
and your brother and Ida. That was it. He's like
everybody else fucking this little dude came out there hooping.
(17:58):
I was like, damn, that was a good game for sure,
classic game for Shure. And like you said, you know
what I'm saying, you go to IU. I had a
hell of a You had a hell of a freshman year. Man,
I had a sad ass squad. How was that, steff
like playing at that level? Because you know what I'm saying,
playing it simply all was different?
Speaker 6 (18:13):
No, it was differently. No, we had a rocket and uh,
we just went through so.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Much adversity throughout that whole you know, freshman year because
we were talented as hell. I mean I mean every
practice and you know, every to every game. I mean
you play against good teams, and I mean we just
had a whip, you know, DJ White and Jordan Crawford
coming off the bench.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
You had our mind on my basket. Yes, sorry, and you.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Had a uh JaMarcus Ellis Tone Marcus pieces in peace
for him, and we had you know, land Stem. I mean,
we just had a lot of guys. You know, I
can name the whole team easily, but we just had
we did have a squad and uh uh I just hated.
I would love to see how far we could have
went if they didn't fire Sampson.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
That's that was the thing.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
That's crazy, would you.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I mean, obviously we didn't think he was going back,
but like that playout, like you said, how like heavy
was that moment because you was killing but you could
see everybody like stopped that a hope when that shit
came out. So like, dealing with that in university different
than deal with that in the high school because you
know that's administry stuff, but you on campus, you got
to see it here and now, like y'all going through that,
like like you said, the issues he was going through,
and I saying internally with the team going through the tournament,
(19:20):
you was like, all right, now I gotta look focused
now you like, shit, I love college, but I know
I'm about to go to the least. Now I gotta
kind of think about me more than the team. But
how is that mental process?
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Well, it was a lot mentally because I mean as
soon as Samson got fired. The next day I practice,
I see four motherfuckers in the gym, and it was
it was just weird because I wanted to win. I
still wanted to win, but it was just such everybody
was distraught because you know, I mean that team was
just so talented and we were so into with that coach.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
What I mean, with Samson and U. I mean, it
just kind of broke us apart.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
But me mentally, I mean I still had to I mean,
I still had to do what I had to do
as far as trying to get to the leg.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
I miss.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
I even fractured my risks, uh during the during practice
one day.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
I mean, we go to the doctor. Doctor said, oh man,
you fractured your risk. You're gonna You're gonna be out
for a little while.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
And after that doctor's part, my dad said, fuck that
taking that ship up.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
And we're still playing, I think, and we had to play.
I'll never forget we played.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Had to play against Wisconsin like two days later with
a fractured risks so damn Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Went to a location boy locked in.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Jackson, I thought, I think it said it hard going up.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
You know, it's crazy. They wasn't lead somewhere.
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Speaker 3 (21:27):
You know what I'm saying? Did you know?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Obviously you know it's projected lottery. You go through a
tommutual situation. Are you now you going to the league?
Speaker 5 (21:32):
How was that? No, I mean getting drafted was. I mean,
that was a great experience and my rookie year, I
mean that was.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
My boy went to LA. Yeah, that was hell get
drafted too.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Yeah, that was a unique experience because that was actually
the first time, I mean my first ten to twelve games.
I mean, I'm over I'm only I'm over here averaging
five minutes a game, and we were losing, and I
was like, what are we doing here? You know?
Speaker 6 (22:01):
So, uh, kids got it good today.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
I mean you could be these young kids now, the
guys that get drafted, I mean they get the keys
handed to him from day one, because I think everybody
in my draft only d Rose was the only one
that started, and everybody else had to work their way
to starting and figuring out their way throughout the throughout
the year. They gave you the keys.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It was up.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Yeah, yeah, you start night.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Doing what he do best.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
What what was that changing point though? Like what game?
You remember what game or what happened between you and
the coaching staff, like what like all right, give Eric
the ball now? God damn it.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
I mean there was I mean there was a lot.
I got into it.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
I remember I got in trouble a little bit with
the team, and but things just turned out for me
because you know, a lot of guys were injured. I
think Baron Davis was injured and all that, and then
uh then I got to start a lot of guys
got injured. So I got my star and I never
forget It's against New Orleans against CP three, and uh
(23:04):
next thing, you know, we won like.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Three four games in a row, even though we still.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Went like twenty and sixty two. I was trying to Yeah,
we as, but uh but that's kind of solidified. And
you know my career and I you know, I did
well and I started to find my way and be myself.
That's why I feeled that they helped your confidence out
a lot in the NBA. Like, damn, I'm averaging twenty
in the league. We losing. I want to win, but shit,
(23:29):
I'm killing.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I remember how strong this motherfucker was.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
When he came back after his rookie season, he was
working out with Chris we was over there that best choice.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
He called me up there.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I was getting ready to go to the draft, and
I came up there and I looked what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I was like, Nah, Chris is like, you gotta get
bigger man. I'm like, shit, looked like the rock I'm
gonna do with that?
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Like that's what the.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Guards look like. Mann, I ain't gonna make it. You said,
like be here. When Gordon came back.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Especially Schwartz of God going, Hayward, I love you. You
know you my one of my guys. He was on
that ship. Don't nobody My boy just returned. So we
can speak that my boy, that vein in this stick.
I was coming back to Swallow came back to campus
because he was skinny. He was skinny his whole life. Yeah, shut,
(24:29):
he got to the.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Damn mare what the league? Or is like his last
year Butler?
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Last year, his last year Butler.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I remember, like I was on campus at the time,
and I was all right, but we kept in there
at that that's a pro. But when he came back
that first year from the Jazz, I'm like, damn, like
you hit a growth spurt of twenty two?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Did that slow you down though getting bigger? Or did
that you feel like that helped you? No, it helped
me because my game was all about contact. Every time
I get in the basket, I'm all I was looking
for it. So you know, because I believe in every
time I look for contact, I don't don't even really
have to be sometimes, I don't have to feel like
I have to be explosive getting to the rim.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So okay, using the science, using the VET tricks, learn
how to score professionally. It's crazy. I never really put
to it to together. Now you was on the Donald
style clipper. That is crazy? Is greaty, That's no wonder
why there was a lot of issues you go to
the White.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
Party three years three years of it, biggest ship.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
In the directors. They said, yeah, a white party on
the show. I just want to see that's true.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
That's that is crazy. But like you said, one of
your best games against New Orleans, you didn't know you
was auditioning. You know what I'm saying that you go
to a boy had to leave Sonny LA for New Orleans. Man,
how was that transition your first taste of the basketball business?
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Man? I was, I'm not gonna lie. I was pissed.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
I was pissed because during that time, people forget I
was supposed to sign like a max deal with with La,
like right then and there.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
And then uh that's when we had the lockout.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
And once we got back from there, I mean I
was they were promised like you're gonna be here for
five years, this and that because the trade was done.
I mean it was supposed to be. I think, uh,
Bledsoe came in and alfru alfa roup and and then
we thought that. Then once they backed out of it,
(26:26):
I guess they were someonemight have probably went to the
gym and and they just threw me in there and
the rest was history. And I, you know, I was
a little bit confused, and I was younger too, so
and then when I got to New Orleans, like I
wanted to do well, but I had already got injured.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
I was already injured.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
And you know, people down there, they just thought I
just didn't give it them or anything while I was
down there. But but uh, but they a couple of
years earl when I got to New Orleans, we went
to the playoffs. And I don't know what people be
getting mad for down there.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
That's a lot to ask for down there. Be grateful.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
New Orleans is cool city. Though it is, it is
cool city. But nah, going from l A to New
Orleans is like me going from Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
By saying.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Here it is, it's like Atlanta to it back home.
It's crazy. It's like it's a different toll. It's like, man,
I mean, being from here made it a little easier,
but the way life.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Is a different for sure. I gotta ask you don't
play a couple of dope cities. What's your favorite city
you played in so far?
Speaker 6 (27:39):
I would say Houston in l a fire city. Yeah,
Houston l a top too.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And you was a part of one of the Katas
runs in basketball in Houston. Like you know what I'm saying.
I was that you know what I'm saying, contending every
year in the West, I had to go against one
of the best teams ever.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Man. Yeah, man, I was definitely the most fun team
I've been on. And uh, you know, we were together
all the time.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
You know, it was.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
I mean, it was easy to win. Like, it was
very easy to win. We just hoop our coach. I mean,
he was a big part of it. Dan Tony was
a big part of it. He let us be us.
We followed, you know, his scheme, but at the end
of the day, you know, he just let us be
us and he made it fun. You know, his experience
made it fun. But uh, but yeah, I mean like
(28:25):
we had a hell of a team. James was, I
mean being around him, working with him every every day,
a special player. But we had a lot of other.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
Guys that I mean it was y'all had a squad, No,
we did have a squad for years.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yea, I had a squad.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Bro What was that like, like embracing that six man road,
Like coming from being a starter, it ain't going to
being like a six man And then like embracing the
rod and then like really really flourishing in it.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Though. Yeah, because during my time in New Orleans, you know,
I was like, I'm going to go to after I
left there, I was like, I'm going to go to
a team where I just want to win and I'll
figure out the rest. Like I'm just gonna figure it out.
I'm not gonna be injured. I'm going to figure out
ways to be injured and just go out there and play.
And uh, I didn't care what if I started or not.
(29:11):
But as soon as I got there, I was like,
they gave me a you know, a formula to to
what I needed to do. You know, they didn't care
if I ever practiced. They was like, we just want
you to be healthy to love and uh, you know,
great training staff, good you know medical staff and everything
and uh.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
But after that, I was I just embraced it. I
think I was like, I don't care, I'm gonna win
six Menut of the Year.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
I want to you know, knocking out knock down a
lot of threes during d'antoni's play because you know how
that that it was difficult to guards show.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
And that was perfect for the way you played basketball. Like,
oh no, just layups and three of course he.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Can do that.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Yeah, yeah, see everybody.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
The funny thing is everybody wants to talk about doing that,
but you got to still be able to, you know,
move the ball. You know, if you don't have a
clear cut lay up or what not, then somebody else
has to be open. So but it was it was
good basketball, y'all.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Was tough to play.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
We played on the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
Like that sweet out of there. Y'all got one game,
didn't you? Minnesota?
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Y'all cook that game?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
You're right, we didn't get.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
I cooked that for me. I'm like, at least I
got one year.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
They got I had one good game.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
That's crazy they listen, you know, So we can't talk
about James hard too much in this podcast. You'll beginning
with it, but we're not gonna let that legacy down down.
You saw it first hand, like James Harden was really
killing everybody trying to act like that did not happen.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
It's weird that that he wasn't kidding.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
They try to they try to downplay that now like
it was just okay because of the Luca stuff.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
I might know.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
James Harden was really destroying ship.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
If y'all didn't run into the Warriors, it's a different
conversation and even some of the stuff that happened with
like don't pull his hand stright, y'all win that seriously
for sure?
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Yeah, No, I truly believe if CP didn't and get injured,
we would have we would have won that year.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
I really do think want the championship.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, they had the beat for sure, I would m
YEA was up three two three two.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, you think they get in Cleveland respect the respect
the was gonna be to whoever was in the East.
Know they were scoring too much, they had to be Cleveland, right, Yeah,
be whoever was in the East.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
That might have been tough. That been a hell of
a series.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
That'd have been a hell of a series. That's what
had me hold on.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
But yeah, I was definitely supposed to come out the
West that year.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Who was the best player you can played with in
your career so far in seventeen years, best teammate, best player,
then you can do, the best teammate, the best player
that I ever played against, play with, play with, Throw
you on the bus right now, I love it. Tell
you've been around some killers, some ship That's why I'm
(31:50):
asking you. And what's crazy is now you're about to
play with another gold coming this season this year. Yeah
you got m v P Joe. Well yeah, uh he
played with a lot. KD was a special one and
James was a special one because I mean I played
with a D.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
A D was Yeah, bro young, he was.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
He was coming into his own Yeah, yeah, yeah, KD.
I'll let you come back to it.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
It's a tough one, that's crazy. Yeah. I forgot about
the Phoenish squad.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah yeah, yeah, cold one of the best, still going
to it, crazy man.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
That's a tough question for him. Yeah, yeah, I gotta
ask you though.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
People want to know how you know what I'm saying
now I was talking about now you know what I'm saying,
new season coming up?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Got you where you at her right now? You and
Philly with it?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
How you know what I'm saying? How did you come
about that situation? You know what I'm saying, Well, I
want to.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Get a chance to win, and uh, I thought, you
know Philly because you know, I'm familiar with their uh
front office, Darryl Morey and all them. And then I
look at their team and I'm like man, Maxie, he's
really involved and b you know that player. You know
you look at Kelly Bray and and now they have
(33:04):
Caler Martin and then you got PG that just in
the mix with all of that. And I'm like, and
you know me to fit in, you know, to be
knockdown shots to shooting, you know, creating, you know as
those guys are creating. So I was like, man, we
can really have some shot at something.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Facts I show you crazy Shore. I don't know if
you gonna be the pacerss, but you know what I'm saying.
I feel like, hey, why you would never come home,
bro and we're here, Why you ain't come funk with
the Pacers? Man?
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Man, I don't think there's really ever been a real
shot and chance.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
You want to win?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I was like, that was a good answer answer for you.
You want to come to the point. But he'll fit
this team perpose. I mean, you won't feel like you
fit that team perfect too. But why you shoot the ball?
But people always forget that you're a really good defender
like this Nigga is strong as ship. I'm telling you, like,
(34:03):
you can't put him and Chris Paul and Eric Bles
only guards you can't post. I used to watch people
try to post him, Oh you're Andrew, But it was like,
I'm like this nigga is strongest.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
I watched people I watch him guard cat Cat was
trying to post him.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
You got a lot of smut on cat name.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
No, I love Cat, But what he trying to post y'all?
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Yeah, he couldn't post him, said, we switched everything.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
He couldn't post him. I switched crazy. Your two guard
should be switching on your fire comfortably.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
That's nuts.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
They was strong in him and PJ James strongest ship.
They had a strong ass team.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
That's a good thing to hoilight though, because people don't
talk about how good of a defending you. They focusing
on you shooting though. But I think the Sixth ain't
saying because you're here. I just think y'all got a
good chance to move forward though.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
This year.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
I got a way better team than y'all had over
the recent years. Man. Yeah, for sure, don't worry. The
patients ain't ship. That's just that's fun. That's all be
good money.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
You know.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
You don't know, bro, They're gonna make the playoffs for sure, playing.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Not on.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Y'all.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I don't rocking.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
Now.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
We don't know what team us supporting today. We know
the Hawks. They're gonna be here. You know how we
rocked the Hawks trade trail on this demon time.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Now.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I talked to him the other day.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
He's back.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
See you on that trying what that sounds like about
to get your money free trade? They about to treat
them eleven jerseys like them, Julius raddles.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Ship these top heavy now, bro, yeah that these top
we are we under the radar.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
It's cool.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Just have y'all.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Put that pay just going out Atlanta when.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
They act like kawhile letter when they played the Holls
you cut off to straight up.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Oh y'all crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Oh Man, listen, I know you got a heart out, Eaj.
We appreciate you sliding on this big dog man, listen,
legend in the city. I love every time we talk
about basketball, especially when it comes to high school basketball.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
It's always praise for you.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Man.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
We've been excited for this episode. This is one for
the city. I had classic battles Man. We appreciate you
sliding on you man. Good luck this year, you know
what I'm saying, except when we pay the patiers. Good
Luck this year. Man, we appreciate you all rocking with
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Speaker 2 (01:22):
All right, man, we back another wonderful episode of Club
five twenty podcasts. I'm the host. My name is DJ Wells,
Special special guests. To my left man, we're gonna introduce
my man's last. To my far left, we got my
dog Bishop be hearing out the prailes.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
How you what nasty, cool and national. Let's get to
a baby.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I know what I'm saying. I know you know I'm saying.
You know what you really normally be on. But you
got the Adida's all for each today.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Yeah, Adida's athlete, this nasty, this one for you.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And the other time we got them the villain shoes
on over there. So I'm happy show respect to our guests.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
One time. To my right, my dog young natcho, young
tag got you what man.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Chilling bro, Another whole seven graduate in the building. So
it's about to be a good.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Pot for sure, for sure, man, Like you said, another
seven class. Listen, man, we got a legend in the building,
Indiana legend. Anytime you talk about high school basketball, you
better mention his name right here. Man, we got aj
Eric Gord seventeen year NBA vetting the building.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Appreciate you, big doll sliding through man.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
No doubt. Man, it's been a long time coming up.
Should have been a long time ago, but it's it's
good that.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
I'm here now.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
You've been busy getting money, man, We understand you, stid o,
busy getting to it. We under stay your sketch a
little bit different nine months out of the year. But listen, man,
we gotta take it back, y'all. Origin of basketball, playing
each other. What I'm saying eighty Naples, Indiana one of
the best places to play basketball. And we always talk
about who was called growing up, and nobody ever goes
against it. Everybody knows since Lisa, you was the coldest, bro.
(02:42):
How was that growing up with them? Type of expectations?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Bro, Well, I mean it was different because you know,
I've been playing agains Jeff since I would say what
would you say about eight years old?
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Gardens and shout out of the gardens.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
The funniest thing is growing up from l Elementary school
in middle school, I was always the shortest kid out there,
Like I was the smallest. I was the shortest, but
I always had, you know, I mean, my game was there,
but I was just the shortest person on out there.
And then as I reached around, you know, eighth grade,
I mean I was dimner built like a grown man
(03:17):
at the in seventh grade, I mean I barely even
played because I was growing so much. And you know,
a lot of motherfuckers thought I was on steroids or whatever.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
But I did. I did get up.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
You all your origin, you know, but ej we thought
she was on that ship. That ship. I grew a
lot and but uh, and then going into high school,
I was able to really uh propel to me myself.
I ain't trying to throw you, you know, your folks
address out. But did you always live that close to
the j c C majority of my life? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Majority shout out to the j c C sleep hoop
sessions in the city, for sure.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Your Daddy's stilling with it over there. Yeah, he's still
over there. You still shout to Pops.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Man. Love seeing Pops out man, especially not doing with
the program for the kids. Man. I love seeing him
at the term as man. He be holding down for
real facts like he j was the first dude. When
we was little, I seen hit the left hand layup.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Now besides know Reese was left handed, but Eric went
to the basket and he switched to the left. I
think he was like third grade, second third grade. And
my Pops was like, now that's a player. You know
how my pops is. He always goes big somebody else
up I was. I was at home, pitch should have
left hand. Still can't shooting to this day. Fuck, it's
cool though he.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Cold Joe Pop start you off with the fundamembers first though,
he for sure did. That was the number one thing
and shooting was number one. Handles the second and uh,
I mean he made it. He kept it very simple
for me. I mean he was hard on me. Like
he was hard on me to be honest. He really
made me hate everybody I played against when I was
in high school. Tell you so, I put it like this,
(05:01):
I knew he was gonna play Pike first game, and.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
You know on that Monday.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
On that Monday, my dad would be like, hey, Jeff, Jeff,
he's gonna be ready to go. What the hell you
gonna do? I mean, you know he's got the handles.
You know, he's got a jump shot. I mean, what
you're gonna do because half the time you might guard him,
you might not, but what you're gonna bring to the table.
And he did that every week, just passed me on
and passed me on, like, Ea, Chicago, he eat one more.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
You know, what are you gonna do against him?
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Like he made me really hate every one of y'all
before the week.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
You know, I didn't want to talk to us.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Sam.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'm like, what's up, boy? You're good.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I'm like, damn, well fuck you.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
He just kill you.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
After a while, Like this said ship to him. Man,
I don't know what to a robot. So your dad
put that killer instinct.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
In you, like he never he didn't believe in bad games.
She didn't believe. He said, you just figure out a way.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
He always wanted me to score and always wanted me
to win. But uh, I'm telling you when when well
we was going against in a big game, whoever their
best player, best player was. I mean, he just wanted
me to go go after him, and uh so it's
just that's that's definitely part of the story. And uh
because you know that I was going to gainst A
(06:23):
lot of good players were talking about you, Michael Conley, Golden,
the list goes on for real them of course, baking
them ship. Did you ever play? Uh what ship? Walter
was hyped back.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Then a little bit.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
I mean see what we've even played against Gordon Hayward
and Brownsburg. We traveled and I mean we traveled. I
mean we were traveling everywhere he played too, he started laughing.
Hold I did.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
That switch was crazy, motherfucker.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I don't set a pick on me so hard to
the ground for speed.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
That's what when we get to the high school stuff. Though,
you was a part of one of the best ATU
teams ever. Man, we talk about it all the time.
How was that like planning that experience with that crazy
ass team? Did y'all know y'all was that good at
the time?
Speaker 5 (07:32):
No, we knew that was We knew there you talking
about speech Indie heat Absolutely, yeah, No, we we knew
that we were that good because we we were body
and we weren't trying to be like most people. Most
kids out there trying to score thirty forty fifty points.
I mean the average I would say the high score
of that game probably would had eighteen sixteen. And everybody
(07:52):
shared the ball, everybody, and we won every game, like
every game that we when we were all healthy, we
won every game. So but I think in three summers,
only lost probably two three games. Yeah, I was, I
was whooping. Ship. You ever remember one of your toughest
matchups back then, because when you played little Will Lou
(08:12):
Williams was a major problem. I've never seen too many
guys like him in high school. I mean I remember
that d game which Georgia wh he had an NBA
game in high school, Like he played like how he is,
but imagine way more athletic, and Lou Will would dunk
on you in high school too, Like there was he
(08:32):
he was.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Lou was a proud Yeah, he was made shout.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Yeah, like what he was doing the NBA. I mean
he in high school. I mean it was just with
more athletics.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
But that's what I tell people about you, Like when
we go to when we got when you got to
the league, and shit, everybody was like, man.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I'm like, man, I should have seen how athletic he
was in high school.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I'm like, the fucker dunk on a free throw line
a type of crazy ship like, and people know you
as a shooter. I'm like, he was shooting like that,
but that used to dunk on everybody.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah, no, I said I did early on in my
career before I had those injuries during my time in
New Orleans.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
But yeah, I would.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
No, I know, I remember Tommy friends to Tommy.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Ain't gonna do I remember.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Here.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Now we know he was one heat, but you know
what I'm saying. You finished your career with a different
team and was the reason he got dunked on court.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
And I remember that game too because I felt like
there was some calls getting missed and we were up
and we were pissed off and then.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Ship No, I just that's when I say, yeah, he
the best player in the country was between you and
Bees because Bees did us bad. And then we was
being young and you went off for like thirty five
in the second half. I'm like, this, motherfucker, here's crazy man,
Like everybody like he was supposed to play with Chelsea. Ye, man, Like,
(10:07):
how you just go lead a year ick Cup?
Speaker 5 (10:09):
What the fuck? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Nah, y'all was cold.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's crazy, Like you said, man shouts to class all seven,
c d Ross retire your form?
Speaker 5 (10:15):
You back?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
How is that? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Like that experience, like because you went from that great
ass speach team to like y'all going crazy, that was different.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah for sure, Cuz uh throughout the high school, man,
I wouldn't say we were enemies, but we always played
against one another and uh, we always and then we
played against each other in a regular high school game
and so uh and then we was like, you know,
I didn't like Indian Elite at the time. And then
I was like, you know what, let's just drawing forces.
And they were like, for sure, let's just make that happen.
(10:45):
And uh, I mean I had a That team was fun, man,
but we only had six seven big players.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah they y'all didn't need nobody else.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I ain't had no real big man. I mean Tim
was a big man, but he was like six four.
He was six four and could do every thing. Yeah man,
he was, but like, yeah, he was a dog for sure.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Was you already committed to Illinois before you went to
Main Streets.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
Yeah, I was committed during my time at Main Streets.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Okay, okay, yeah, we always do like a little moment
of silence for certain.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
I mean me and d Row who was supposed to
go to the same college we used to playing. You know,
it was either Illinois, maybe i U, maybe Memphis and uh,
you know, you know we heard a lot of things
in Illinois, what was going on there, this and that
and uh, but.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
My heart was always an Indiana.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
I always wanted to play at IU always, so uh
but you know it all worked out at the end.
I went to you, he went to Memphis. But sure
I thought I thought we were both gonna go TOU
at one point.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That's crazy. It's crazy they try to put us in
a three guard line. If I remember, Coach Sampson called me.
He was I'm getting you, I'm getting Dereck Rose and
Eric Gordon. I said, what the fuck you think I'm
going there? This call up a little bit, Yeah, all right,
waiting for us here I come, no way.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
He called me out likeic going to Illinois. He was like,
not on my fucking watch. He literally said that out
to the really won't be going there on my watch.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
You watch.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I promise you that team. I promise you, y'all not
getting out of Indiana. I said, Man, I'm not going
I talked about that.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
I'm not going there there automatic number one like after Gate,
Yeah I did. I mean, you always love the how
you growing up.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
But okay, and.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Because I know I wasn't gonna go far. I wanted
my parents and I wanted my family to go to
every game. So that was that was the main thing
for sure. I mean before we get to the college.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
So we got to talk about one of the most
of stored high school basketball games of all time. What
you did to the Jordan kids in North Central Bro
was very disrespectful but still one of the best things ever.
But please recap that because, like you said, you're going
to say these games hating everybody possible.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
The batterial back because what you did is them, Bro,
that looked personal.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Before you start, I just want to say big shout
out to Marcus Jordan. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
If Marcus would have had we had, they might have won.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
You know, I didn't know anything about Loyola Academy, but
you know, first thing to kind of my mind, you
know at Chicago school. You know, I thought, you know,
but then when we when I watched him on film,
and I was like, you know, everything's evolved around the
Jordan kids, like they're the best players on the team,
and and their team was small, and I was like, okay,
(13:52):
every time when I get the ball, if I don't
have a catch and shoot, I'm going down. I'm taking
it to the rack like every time, or I'm gonna
at least try to dunk. But the main thing with
what I really wanted was to do one of Jordan's
dunks in end game.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Respectful Broby, he did he right, he's so disrespectful.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
With Jordan and the crowd.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
What was that a fifty piece?
Speaker 6 (14:16):
What you have? I think it was close by, I
don't know the exact number.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Crying. Then they had the air of Gordy Jerseys. I
was like, oh they wild.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Gordon was insane.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I was like, this is is dope. Though it may
it made me feel good being from Indianapolis though, hell.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, like you said, like you look at them teams,
it was like, okay, y'all come in Chicago. But what
I did was on a daily basis, is people who's
going d one or to the NBA like y'all like.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, like almost everybody on whoever went
to the school in these conference they one player somebody went,
which is crazy. Was trying to tell Norris Norris was
just on you know, shouts Norris. But Indiana was just
different in them times, bro.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And when Union have to leave the city, Like we're
just talking about the Mick, we didn't even go to
the region where you had, like you said, each one,
the Robbie Hummel, Scott Martin's like all that, Like everywhere
in the state it was killers at and it was crazy.
Like for me, I went to j El so I
was at Piking North Central half a day to see
the reception that like y'all got because y'all was cold.
Obviously you was that nigga and it was just like
wet had that much school spirit.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah. North Central, Oh, niggas had the air. Gordon Tee
they had he had.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Merch Boy was back there, Bro, you would have been
a millionaire north Central.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Oh yeah, no, North Central. I loved my time there.
I mean some of the best days my life was there.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
So the fuck fight you can change in our coach
and it wasn't no Irriantine.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Forty four merch.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
They had none of that. Only think we had a
pet rally. We didn't even have a real student section
for for real.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Let you do talking crazy though, Yeah, talking shit.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Let's talk about that. That that senior year mashed up
beginning of the year. It was always a common thing tradition.
Pipe played North Central first game of the year, y'all
senior years. You know what I'm saying, you was going away,
You're going to IU. That's another legendary high school game.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I was that from your side, and he talked about
how you walking to it, Like what would your mind
say going into that. I was always underrated, so I
knew he was the number one player almost in the country.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I was like one hundred or something. So I was
just trying to let people know I can hoop. I
was just trying to go out there and have a
good show. But we used to beat them all the
time before, so I knew. He was like, yeah, it's
my time to beat the ass. Like I was like,
he's gonna come in here on some ship. I ain't
really got reinforcements like I used to have, you.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Know, load and we needed to be loaded.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
So I'm like, it's just me and my guy. I
feel Kyle ain't never played varsity. Fucking I'm about to
shoot this one. So we was having him back and forth,
and at the end of the game, he did what
he had to do.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
You killed though, Bro.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
It looks like thirty three point wise something like that.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, he you did get it going.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
And uh, I just knew like he would always be
up there, like he's always gonna have a good game.
Like I knew a lot of those things. And uh
uh because if if he does well, Pike does well.
You know, even though they got other guys that can
do some things, because y'all still had Cordell pass league
(17:23):
Kyle and Phil and uh big Dennis. Yeah, y'all had
Big Auto though, bro Otto was a motherfucking problem back
in the night to play.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And then you'll had a gang coach there. Now we
didn't know him yet. He came to Senior. I don't
even know he could hoop. He came out hooping. Yeah,
because we just talked. We just game planning for you
and your brother and Ida. That was it. He's like
everybody else fucking this little dude came out there hooping.
(17:58):
I was like, damn, that was a good game for sure,
classic game for Shure. And like you said, you know
what I'm saying, you go to IU. I had a
hell of a You had a hell of a freshman year. Man,
I had a sad ass squad. How was that, steff
like playing at that level? Because you know what I'm saying,
playing it simply all was different?
Speaker 6 (18:13):
No, it was differently. No, we had a rocket and uh,
we just went through so.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Much adversity throughout that whole you know, freshman year because
we were talented as hell. I mean I mean every
practice and you know, every to every game. I mean
you play against good teams, and I mean we just
had a whip, you know, DJ White and Jordan Crawford
coming off the bench.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
You had our mind on my basket. Yes, sorry, and you.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Had a uh JaMarcus Ellis Tone Marcus pieces in peace
for him, and we had you know, land Stem. I mean,
we just had a lot of guys. You know, I
can name the whole team easily, but we just had
we did have a squad and uh uh I just hated.
I would love to see how far we could have
went if they didn't fire Sampson.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
That's that was the thing.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
That's crazy, would you.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I mean, obviously we didn't think he was going back,
but like that playout, like you said, how like heavy
was that moment because you was killing but you could
see everybody like stopped that a hope when that shit
came out. So like, dealing with that in university different
than deal with that in the high school because you
know that's administry stuff, but you on campus, you got
to see it here and now, like y'all going through that,
like like you said, the issues he was going through,
and I saying internally with the team going through the tournament,
(19:20):
you was like, all right, now I gotta look focused
now you like, shit, I love college, but I know
I'm about to go to the least. Now I gotta
kind of think about me more than the team. But
how is that mental process?
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Well, it was a lot mentally because I mean as
soon as Samson got fired. The next day I practice,
I see four motherfuckers in the gym, and it was
it was just weird because I wanted to win. I
still wanted to win, but it was just such everybody
was distraught because you know, I mean that team was
just so talented and we were so into with that coach.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
What I mean, with Samson and U. I mean, it
just kind of broke us apart.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
But me mentally, I mean I still had to I mean,
I still had to do what I had to do
as far as trying to get to the leg.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
I miss.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
I even fractured my risks, uh during the during practice
one day.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
I mean, we go to the doctor. Doctor said, oh man,
you fractured your risk. You're gonna You're gonna be out
for a little while.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
And after that doctor's part, my dad said, fuck that
taking that ship up.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
And we're still playing, I think, and we had to play.
I'll never forget we played.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Had to play against Wisconsin like two days later with
a fractured risks so damn Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Went to a location boy locked in.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Jackson, I thought, I think it said it hard going up.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
You know, it's crazy. They wasn't lead somewhere.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
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Speaker 3 (21:27):
You know what I'm saying? Did you know?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Obviously you know it's projected lottery. You go through a
tommutual situation. Are you now you going to the league?
Speaker 5 (21:32):
How was that? No, I mean getting drafted was. I mean,
that was a great experience and my rookie year, I
mean that was.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
My boy went to LA. Yeah, that was hell get
drafted too.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Yeah, that was a unique experience because that was actually
the first time, I mean my first ten to twelve games.
I mean, I'm over I'm only I'm over here averaging
five minutes a game, and we were losing, and I
was like, what are we doing here? You know?
Speaker 6 (22:01):
So, uh, kids got it good today.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
I mean you could be these young kids now, the
guys that get drafted, I mean they get the keys
handed to him from day one, because I think everybody
in my draft only d Rose was the only one
that started, and everybody else had to work their way
to starting and figuring out their way throughout the throughout
the year. They gave you the keys.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It was up.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Yeah, yeah, you start night.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Doing what he do best.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
What what was that changing point though? Like what game?
You remember what game or what happened between you and
the coaching staff, like what like all right, give Eric
the ball now? God damn it.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
I mean there was I mean there was a lot.
I got into it.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
I remember I got in trouble a little bit with
the team, and but things just turned out for me
because you know, a lot of guys were injured. I
think Baron Davis was injured and all that, and then
uh then I got to start a lot of guys
got injured. So I got my star and I never
forget It's against New Orleans against CP three, and uh
(23:04):
next thing, you know, we won like.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Three four games in a row, even though we still.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Went like twenty and sixty two. I was trying to Yeah,
we as, but uh but that's kind of solidified. And
you know my career and I you know, I did
well and I started to find my way and be myself.
That's why I feeled that they helped your confidence out
a lot in the NBA. Like, damn, I'm averaging twenty
in the league. We losing. I want to win, but shit,
(23:29):
I'm killing.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I remember how strong this motherfucker was.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
When he came back after his rookie season, he was
working out with Chris we was over there that best choice.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
He called me up there.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I was getting ready to go to the draft, and
I came up there and I looked what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I was like, Nah, Chris is like, you gotta get
bigger man. I'm like, shit, looked like the rock I'm
gonna do with that?
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Like that's what the.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Guards look like. Mann, I ain't gonna make it. You said,
like be here. When Gordon came back.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Especially Schwartz of God going, Hayward, I love you. You
know you my one of my guys. He was on
that ship. Don't nobody My boy just returned. So we
can speak that my boy, that vein in this stick.
I was coming back to Swallow came back to campus
because he was skinny. He was skinny his whole life. Yeah, shut,
(24:29):
he got to the.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Damn mare what the league? Or is like his last
year Butler?
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Last year, his last year Butler.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I remember, like I was on campus at the time,
and I was all right, but we kept in there
at that that's a pro. But when he came back
that first year from the Jazz, I'm like, damn, like
you hit a growth spurt of twenty two?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Did that slow you down though getting bigger? Or did
that you feel like that helped you? No, it helped
me because my game was all about contact. Every time
I get in the basket, I'm all I was looking
for it. So you know, because I believe in every
time I look for contact, I don't don't even really
have to be sometimes, I don't have to feel like
I have to be explosive getting to the rim.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So okay, using the science, using the VET tricks, learn
how to score professionally. It's crazy. I never really put
to it to together. Now you was on the Donald
style clipper. That is crazy? Is greaty, That's no wonder
why there was a lot of issues you go to
the White.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
Party three years three years of it, biggest ship.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
In the directors. They said, yeah, a white party on
the show. I just want to see that's true.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
That's that is crazy. But like you said, one of
your best games against New Orleans, you didn't know you
was auditioning. You know what I'm saying that you go
to a boy had to leave Sonny LA for New Orleans. Man,
how was that transition your first taste of the basketball business?
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Man? I was, I'm not gonna lie. I was pissed.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
I was pissed because during that time, people forget I
was supposed to sign like a max deal with with La,
like right then and there.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
And then uh that's when we had the lockout.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
And once we got back from there, I mean I
was they were promised like you're gonna be here for
five years, this and that because the trade was done.
I mean it was supposed to be. I think, uh,
Bledsoe came in and alfru alfa roup and and then
we thought that. Then once they backed out of it,
(26:26):
I guess they were someonemight have probably went to the
gym and and they just threw me in there and
the rest was history. And I, you know, I was
a little bit confused, and I was younger too, so
and then when I got to New Orleans, like I
wanted to do well, but I had already got injured.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
I was already injured.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
And you know, people down there, they just thought I
just didn't give it them or anything while I was
down there. But but uh, but they a couple of
years earl when I got to New Orleans, we went
to the playoffs. And I don't know what people be
getting mad for down there.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
That's a lot to ask for down there. Be grateful.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
New Orleans is cool city. Though it is, it is
cool city. But nah, going from l A to New
Orleans is like me going from Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
By saying.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Here it is, it's like Atlanta to it back home.
It's crazy. It's like it's a different toll. It's like, man,
I mean, being from here made it a little easier,
but the way life.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Is a different for sure. I gotta ask you don't
play a couple of dope cities. What's your favorite city
you played in so far?
Speaker 6 (27:39):
I would say Houston in l a fire city. Yeah,
Houston l a top too.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And you was a part of one of the Katas
runs in basketball in Houston. Like you know what I'm saying.
I was that you know what I'm saying, contending every
year in the West, I had to go against one
of the best teams ever.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Man. Yeah, man, I was definitely the most fun team
I've been on. And uh, you know, we were together
all the time.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
You know, it was.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
I mean, it was easy to win. Like, it was
very easy to win. We just hoop our coach. I mean,
he was a big part of it. Dan Tony was
a big part of it. He let us be us.
We followed, you know, his scheme, but at the end
of the day, you know, he just let us be
us and he made it fun. You know, his experience
made it fun. But uh, but yeah, I mean like
(28:25):
we had a hell of a team. James was, I
mean being around him, working with him every every day,
a special player. But we had a lot of other.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
Guys that I mean it was y'all had a squad, No,
we did have a squad for years.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yea, I had a squad.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Bro What was that like, like embracing that six man road,
Like coming from being a starter, it ain't going to
being like a six man And then like embracing the
rod and then like really really flourishing in it.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Though. Yeah, because during my time in New Orleans, you know,
I was like, I'm going to go to after I
left there, I was like, I'm going to go to
a team where I just want to win and I'll
figure out the rest. Like I'm just gonna figure it out.
I'm not gonna be injured. I'm going to figure out
ways to be injured and just go out there and play.
And uh, I didn't care what if I started or not.
(29:11):
But as soon as I got there, I was like,
they gave me a you know, a formula to to
what I needed to do. You know, they didn't care
if I ever practiced. They was like, we just want
you to be healthy to love and uh, you know,
great training staff, good you know medical staff and everything
and uh.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
But after that, I was I just embraced it. I
think I was like, I don't care, I'm gonna win
six Menut of the Year.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
I want to you know, knocking out knock down a
lot of threes during d'antoni's play because you know how
that that it was difficult to guards show.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
And that was perfect for the way you played basketball. Like,
oh no, just layups and three of course he.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Can do that.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Yeah, yeah, see everybody.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
The funny thing is everybody wants to talk about doing that,
but you got to still be able to, you know,
move the ball. You know, if you don't have a
clear cut lay up or what not, then somebody else
has to be open. So but it was it was
good basketball, y'all.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Was tough to play.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
We played on the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
Like that sweet out of there. Y'all got one game,
didn't you? Minnesota?
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Y'all cook that game?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
You're right, we didn't get.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
I cooked that for me. I'm like, at least I
got one year.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
They got I had one good game.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
That's crazy they listen, you know, So we can't talk
about James hard too much in this podcast. You'll beginning
with it, but we're not gonna let that legacy down down.
You saw it first hand, like James Harden was really
killing everybody trying to act like that did not happen.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
It's weird that that he wasn't kidding.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
They try to they try to downplay that now like
it was just okay because of the Luca stuff.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
I might know.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
James Harden was really destroying ship.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
If y'all didn't run into the Warriors, it's a different
conversation and even some of the stuff that happened with
like don't pull his hand stright, y'all win that seriously
for sure?
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Yeah, No, I truly believe if CP didn't and get injured,
we would have we would have won that year.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
I really do think want the championship.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, they had the beat for sure, I would m
YEA was up three two three two.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, you think they get in Cleveland respect the respect
the was gonna be to whoever was in the East.
Know they were scoring too much, they had to be Cleveland, right, Yeah,
be whoever was in the East.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
That might have been tough. That been a hell of
a series.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
That'd have been a hell of a series. That's what
had me hold on.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
But yeah, I was definitely supposed to come out the
West that year.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Who was the best player you can played with in
your career so far in seventeen years, best teammate, best player,
then you can do, the best teammate, the best player
that I ever played against, play with, play with, Throw
you on the bus right now, I love it. Tell
you've been around some killers, some ship That's why I'm
(31:50):
asking you. And what's crazy is now you're about to
play with another gold coming this season this year. Yeah
you got m v P Joe. Well yeah, uh he
played with a lot. KD was a special one and
James was a special one because I mean I played
with a D.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
A D was Yeah, bro young, he was.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
He was coming into his own Yeah, yeah, yeah, KD.
I'll let you come back to it.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
It's a tough one, that's crazy. Yeah. I forgot about
the Phoenish squad.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah yeah, yeah, cold one of the best, still going
to it, crazy man.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
That's a tough question for him. Yeah, yeah, I gotta
ask you though.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
People want to know how you know what I'm saying
now I was talking about now you know what I'm saying,
new season coming up?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Got you where you at her right now? You and
Philly with it?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
How you know what I'm saying? How did you come
about that situation? You know what I'm saying, Well, I
want to.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Get a chance to win, and uh, I thought, you
know Philly because you know, I'm familiar with their uh
front office, Darryl Morey and all them. And then I
look at their team and I'm like man, Maxie, he's
really involved and b you know that player. You know
you look at Kelly Bray and and now they have
(33:04):
Caler Martin and then you got PG that just in
the mix with all of that. And I'm like, and
you know me to fit in, you know, to be
knockdown shots to shooting, you know, creating, you know as
those guys are creating. So I was like, man, we
can really have some shot at something.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Facts I show you crazy Shore. I don't know if
you gonna be the pacerss, but you know what I'm saying.
I feel like, hey, why you would never come home,
bro and we're here, Why you ain't come funk with
the Pacers? Man?
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Man, I don't think there's really ever been a real
shot and chance.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
You want to win?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I was like, that was a good answer answer for you.
You want to come to the point. But he'll fit
this team perpose. I mean, you won't feel like you
fit that team perfect too. But why you shoot the ball?
But people always forget that you're a really good defender
like this Nigga is strong as ship. I'm telling you, like,
(34:03):
you can't put him and Chris Paul and Eric Bles
only guards you can't post. I used to watch people
try to post him, Oh you're Andrew, But it was like,
I'm like this nigga is strongest.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
I watched people I watch him guard cat Cat was
trying to post him.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
You got a lot of smut on cat name.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
No, I love Cat, But what he trying to post y'all?
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Yeah, he couldn't post him, said, we switched everything.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
He couldn't post him. I switched crazy. Your two guard
should be switching on your fire comfortably.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
That's nuts.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
They was strong in him and PJ James strongest ship.
They had a strong ass team.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
That's a good thing to hoilight though, because people don't
talk about how good of a defending you. They focusing
on you shooting though. But I think the Sixth ain't
saying because you're here. I just think y'all got a
good chance to move forward though.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
This year.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
I got a way better team than y'all had over
the recent years. Man. Yeah, for sure, don't worry. The
patients ain't ship. That's just that's fun. That's all be
good money.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
You know.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
You don't know, bro, They're gonna make the playoffs for sure, playing.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Not on.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Y'all.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I don't rocking.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
Now.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
We don't know what team us supporting today. We know
the Hawks. They're gonna be here. You know how we
rocked the Hawks trade trail on this demon time.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Now.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I talked to him the other day.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
He's back.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
See you on that trying what that sounds like about
to get your money free trade? They about to treat
them eleven jerseys like them, Julius raddles.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Ship these top heavy now, bro, yeah that these top
we are we under the radar.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
It's cool.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Just have y'all.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Put that pay just going out Atlanta when.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
They act like kawhile letter when they played the Holls
you cut off to straight up.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Oh y'all crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Oh Man, listen, I know you got a heart out, Eaj.
We appreciate you sliding on this big dog man, listen,
legend in the city. I love every time we talk
about basketball, especially when it comes to high school basketball.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
It's always praise for you.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Man.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
We've been excited for this episode. This is one for
the city. I had classic battles Man. We appreciate you
sliding on you man. Good luck this year, you know
what I'm saying, except when we pay the patiers. Good
Luck this year. Man, we appreciate you all rocking with
us like share, subscribe all that good shit.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
We'll be back next time. Club five twenty The volume
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