May 22, 2025 • 42 mins
We’re back with Season 3, Episode 61 of Club 520, and Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Gary Payton, where he talks about playing against Michael Jordan in the NBA Finals as a member of the Seattle Supersonics, the Dallas Mavericks winning the NBA lottery to draft Cooper Flagg, having his own signature shoe, playing alongside Shawn Kemp, and much more!
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0:00 - Start
3:00 - GP signature shoe
17:00 - Defense
22:00 - Best Oakland PGs
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Speaker 3 (01:56):
Have you ever seen those before? I have got a
couple of pair.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Have you ever seen those with the white laces? Because
that's his statement, that's the thing with the black forces with.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The white with that.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
But it's all good man, you can do that though.
You know what I'm saying, I'm going all black laceis man.
You gotta go all black out man. You got a
black that out like it's tent out man.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
You know what I'm saying. You see how you got
that white trim and that ship. It'll work. It'll work.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
If you get a fit with the black pants with
the little black white stripe on the run, you'll be
cold in the month.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I'm gonna get it right with color. So you're gonna
we're gonna do black. We're gonna do black with Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
We don't want Yes, We're gonna imagine.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Make sure we get gp to the black up the
right way to my right, my dog, young not your team.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
You will. I'm chilling, bro.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
We got a legend of building, like be here said,
it should be a good episode. Come on, man, talk.
Last ship we talked a lot of ship is gonna
be a good one, Yes, sir, what ship talk?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
We're gonna do all of the man.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Listen, man, we got a special guest in the building, man,
one of the best ever do it, Hall of fame,
one of the coldest man. You know what it is
that glove gp in the building, big doll. We appreciate
you sliding on this.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Man. Appreciate y'all. Man, y'all nehuses me. Man.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
You know I'm no g man, but it's all good.
I love ball all y'all. Man, It's all good. You
know what I'm saying. I like what y'all doing, man,
because we got to get our black presents out of here.
With all these avenues that we're doing with these shows. Man,
we got to be the ones that make people understand
that we can do other things and play sports and
all that other stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Man.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
We can be all there on this social media and
do it, and y'all do it the right way. Give
a message out to this stuff, man, and let's do it.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Man.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
You know what I'm saying. That's why I'm on here, man,
because I want everybody to understand. Man, we ain't just
out here to be killing and all this crazy stuff
and we aut here for some positive stuff for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
It's definitely. Man, listen now this show we love you.
Know what I'm saying. Keep the feats right. You got
some of the coldest shoes basketball history. In fact, I
don't want to skip around. What's that moment like with
GP Fine he getting his own signature shoe.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
You know what, that's crazy? Man? That just mean you
know you're doing work. You know you're doing work.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
When a company like Nike could come and say, look here, man,
we don't want you just to be in a shoe.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
We want you to have your shoe.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
And when they came at me in talk about the
glove man and all that other stuff, and then they
said they want.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Me to be a part of making the shoe.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You know what I'm saying. Usually they just give you
a shoe and say, yo, this is it. They wanted
me to be a part of the shoe and make
it meat. When I did the zipper on that thing,
that's a glove. That's what you zip up and on
your hand, and they fit like a glove, you know
what I'm saying. So when they did that and they
start giving me that opportunity. It was a big thing
for me. But you got to understand, we got to
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represent them shoes too. You got to get out there
and play that game the way it is. And I
think they thought that they knew that I played that
game that way, so they gave me my own signature
to shoe. But what was the good thing about it
is that the shoes stuck in everybody. Yeah, and I
had to always think about it.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
What's gonna make these people keep doing the shoe? Y'all?
Don't get it.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
The women love to shoe more because they can throw
them down and go down with the monkey part when
I had all the different colors in it.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
So the women was rocking a real.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Tough even with the men. But it was just great
to have a shoot. You just gotta be blessed to
have a shoe, you.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Know what I'm saying. Jordans can go with that.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
You know, Pippy could come with it, Penny Hardaway could
come with it, you know, Ken Griffy.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
But it ain't too many Bo Jackson.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
It ain't too many people that got shoes and do
their thing, you know, Lebron and all.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Them dudes in a different era. But in my era
them there was the dudes.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
That we had shoes and we was pretty we was
pretty cold at it.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, and to see us standard testing times at dope
part because I remember my brother coming home. I had
a brother's teams older than me. Came home with him
and you first on zipp the joints.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
What I'm saying. You see the red joints on the side,
It's like I gotta had him. That was the kick
it off. Yeah, in Minnesota, played them in Minnesota. Did
you zip them down? I warmed up with them down
and yeah, I seen you Jeff going them on there.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Man. It was a pleasure to see some of the
younger guys that come after me to wear my shoe,
you know what I'm saying, And it'll be cool. When
I seen you wearing them, I was like, shit, young
guys is sucking with me, you know I'm And they
got down a lot of a lot of people get
there with my shoe, man, and it's cool, and I
appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Man.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
It's always I always look up to the old g's too.
And when you look up to the old gs and
so respect like that, it makes us feel good. You
know what I'm saying. And then we treated another different
way with with with the youngsters. And like I said,
if it wasn't for Jeff, I wouldn't be on here.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I don't really get out with too many podcasts. I
just get out with the people I love and it's
all good for that.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Just the counter off that you have any times you
see somebody your shoes like, hey, hey, take them shoes off, nigga,
Like you can't wear my shoes like that?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
You put some work here? Well where they giving that?
The money? To me? I ain't You know what I'm saying,
You ain't do it, man. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
They're paying for them. What you think about it? You
be like, nig you really can't get out of me.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
You know what I'm saying. But that's cool though, you know,
but it just shows hommage to to me. You know
what I'm saying. Even when I went.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Into the cannabis business and everybody smoking my mind strands.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
You know what I'm saying, I can't say you don't
smoke it.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
You know what I'm saying. I can't say it don't smoking, man,
you know what I'm saying. But it's good man. And
you look at some dudes like, dude, you know my shooting.
You ain't really getting it like that, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
But it's cool though, man, because they paying hummage to me. Man,
for sure.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
And don't nobody ever grew up talking about man they
have to shoot man and everybody man they thing.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Man.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I came out of open California, man in the hood,
and I didn't never think that I was gonna be
who I am, you know what I'm saying. So it's
just I just respect everything that people get and they
respect me, and it's good.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Man.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I just think that a lot of people look up
to me the way they look up to me, you
know what I'm saying, Because, like you said, people used
to come to me and be like, man at your shoe.
When I was I had my mama, my last money, man,
that was my Christmas good.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I'd be like, God, is that real? But it is good.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
It's a good feeling for me that I touched people's
lives like that, you know what I'm saying, And that's
great for me to see here that.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And see that definitely, and especially in our community like
this sneaked thing, especially ill grow up hop and stuff
like that. No matter what you had going on, it's
a special moment. Even though you know it's just a shoe.
You just keep you know what I'm saying, where going
to keep your feet safe? It idolized the moment for you.
So I just would like to be an iconic moment
in people's lives. That's dope, hell man.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And you know what I'm gonna do for y'all.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Man, y'all don't give me y'all side is man, And
I'm I'm gonna send y'all some of the bloods. Man.
They're gonna be coming back out about another year. Man,
I'm gonna send y'all black joints.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You know what I'm gonna see, y'all. I'm gonna gift
y'all man and things. Man. You know, I got a
lot of them here.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Man with the Miami heat ones is here, Man in
my house here, So I got them, man.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So I'm gonna givet y'all that.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Man.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Man, it's all good, and we're gonna get off. You
know what I'm saying this to build that how.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
It is like you know, you had the own shoot
and then you had the Jordan like peas, and now
to see them re released, you know what I'm saying,
Like you had that flavor back then.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
What's that like? To see the like in every avenue
of the shoe. You're still just killing it. Let me
tell you so, y'all.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Y'all know I get at me and Jordan's was we clyd.
You know what I'm saying, We get at it right.
So during that time, man, it was one of them things. Man,
I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Change some stuff that I was doing. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I just got traded from the Seattle SuperSonics. A lot
of things was going in my mind. Man, I wanted
to change my life. So Nike came at me, man
and Jordan them came at me, and they came and
me and Jay Kidd. They wanted to do an open thing.
They wanted both of us to get in the thing.
I didn't really want to change shoes. I said, Man,
let me try it, man, let me see how much
(10:11):
funk I can get in. And it's Jordan because he
was getting big, really really big at this time in
his shoe game. And so when they came. I told him, Man,
the only ready I'm gonna wear them is that they
got to give me some funk.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
And they gave me some funk. Man. When I went
when I went to the Lakers and the boat you
had here Amas holl.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
And, they was giving me some wave colors. That was dope,
you know what I'm saying. So I said, that's doing it,
and we did it, and I stayed for two years.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Then I went back when I went to.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Miami and went back to my thing and won the
championship in my things, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
So it was cool. Man. I want to ask you,
because we've been seeing you around. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
You always run basketball, which is super dope. What's that
feeling like to see your kid like? You know what
I'm saying, I have a great career in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I criticized my son so much. Man, I just told
him me it wasn't gonna be nothing, and he proved
me wrong, like what my.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Daddy did to me. Now, what's so good about this
is I could be a dad.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
At the first time I was thinking about myself, I played,
and I want him to play that way.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Y'all gotta understand.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Man, it's only one Gary Payton, and that's me, and
I just named my son after.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
So I told my son, I said, look here, man,
I know you mad at me that we got into
a situation where our relationship wasn't really really cool because
of that. And I just told him, look, when he
made a decision to go to Oregon State behind me,
that was a big deal for me for him because
I really didn't think he was gonna do that, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
So I tell him all the time, I said, man,
look here, don't never think.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
You got to be like me. It ain't gonna work
that way. I said.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
If you want to be like be anything with me,
just get your picture up side of it and let
us be two legends together. Put your picture aside of
me when we when I got my my number retired
or to stay, which he's gonna get his retired or
to stay, just put your your picture up next mind,
and then we ain't gotta say nothing.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
We can just say we two legends. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
So don't never compare yourself to me, you know, because
you'll understand I don't really know if he's my kid anyway,
because he got too much affle.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I think that's male man. You know what, mother, If.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Be talking on motherfuckers, I'd be like, whoa man, I'm
gonna lay up king trying to do all that.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
But you know, here athletic man.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
But the best thing I like about my kid is
that when people come up to me, they don't talk
about basketball, talk about how much good of a person is.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You know, how sweet he is and how good he is. Man.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
That makes a dash feel better because I know I
did what I did I had to do.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
As a parent, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I know I wasn't around all the time, you guys,
being at all the stuff he wanted me be at
because I was on his road doing the things I
was doing, and doing everything and other things, you know
what I'm saying. But as I went home, I became
a parent. So when I sit in the stands now,
I look at myself as being a parent. It's more
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fulfilling for me to seem like that, you know what
I'm saying, instead of a basketball player. And that's the
greatest feeling to be.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
A dad.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
His competitor to the you know, defensive without effort. And
I don't know if you that trickled down from you
because you're a great defender. But he's one of those
lockdown defenders. Like every time he says in the game,
you know he's going on the best player, he gonna compete.
And it's been like that since Washington. Yeah, when I
seen him when he was on Washington, he played against something.
I'm like, man, don't play with the ball around him.
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He's gonna still it. That's something that you like put
into his head, like a you're gonna make you gotta
play defense, Jeff.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
That is because he was around me so much and
I told him to be a two way defender.
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Speaker 4 (15:43):
If you could go into a game and score thirty
and then the guys scored thirty six, that's a wash.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, it's six points different.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
If you can go in the game and you score
thirty and hold him to twenty or sixteen, you've won
the game by fourteen or twelve ten, you know what
I'm saying. So you've done your job. So what he
did was with his long orange he became that thing.
But his mentality is that he don't have to score.
He can just lock you down. What I like about
(16:12):
him is every time he get in the game, he
always tell the person, let me guard the best person
on him. And that's what I like about it. He
guards always the best defender. I hate this game now
because them dudes try to shy away from guarding the
best defender when you know you're the best player. So
y'all both, y'all both ballot it out. But it is
what it is. But that's what I love about it.
(16:32):
You always want to guard.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
The best offender. That's you say. Because be here just
brought it up. We talking about the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
You know what I'm saying, Like, we don't get the
main two players on the team, even if they play.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
I missed that shit, bro, I missed that too in
my era, man, because you know me. If I'm playing
to Jordan Jordan, you feel what I'm saying. I'm guarding him.
If I'm if I got.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
To go if when Magic was there, I'm guard Magic.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I don't care how big I was. I'm guarding that boy.
John Stockton, I'm guarding him. I'm going any tim hardaway.
I'm Kevin Kevin Johnson. I'm going to him. I'm not
shaving away. I'm not straying away from them, dudes. I'm
going out there.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Hey, you want them to get at them.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I want to get at them because I'm gonna tell you,
if I get you down here, you have a problem
down there, because I'm gonna go at you in the
offense again, I'm always don't get it to you because
if because I'm gonna get you on the block, and
I'm I'm gonna tell you him, I'm gonna back.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
You in off saying forget that about you get it.
If I get you in the block, man, I'm gonna
kill you.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You know what I'm saying, Like, did you post up
in high school? I didn't because I don't know how
you got to play.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Let me tell you how that went down.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Right, two years in the NBA, I got drafted in
ninety right, eighty nine, ninety right.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I was horrible for two years in Seattle. They wanted
to trade me.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Then they changed coaches and went to George call and
they brought in Tim tim Girt, who came from here
from Tark.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
They told us that we don't work out.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
With him in the summer and in summer league, and
we got to go back to some league and trade us.
So when he went the first thing he did he
brought me in a suite just like this, and he
had two TVs. Yeah, one TV that had me playing
as a signing my two years and one TV as
Oregon State. He kicked the TV down with a signing.
(18:20):
He said, I don't get shit. I don't want you
to playing like that. Did you play like him? And
next thing you know, I said, I'm there. I said,
what do I have to do? He said, you just
got to be a gym every day.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Every day. I tell you.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
When I went in the gym, he said, I noticed
something about you. You're very big, you're very you're very athletic,
and you got both hands. Because I'm a lefty, but
I'm ambidescri he said, I can go both ways.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
He said, I want you to post up players.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
So he started putting me on the block, banging me,
banging me, and I started working at my game. I
started working at the spin and y'all know my spin
was was the colder is one of the colder spins anything.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I started spinning off people and filling people, and he
was like, be a beast.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
And then that's what it happened. I start posting up people.
I start fading the way I started doing jumping, start
going in the middle. I started kicking it out and
then he said, ain't nobody gonna be able to stop you?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And then not to start doing it all the time. Man,
The dope. Part that you said is that happened after
year two.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
We expect so many high draft picks to come in
the league now from day one to be polished and produced.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
It takes time to get good. Yeah, take time. Everybody's
not gonna be good.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
You know what I'm saying, You come out because you
got to understand everybody up here is good too.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
You're playing against college players with college players. How many
college good college players you're gonna play against. You're gona
play against one or two every now and then, and
then you're gonna play against them in the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
So when you get to here, we need the same
skilled as you, and we're probably even better than you.
So now you're gonna work against us all the time.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
So how you gonna do it? How you gonna be
that way? And that's what it was. And then you know,
in my era, I was going against a lot of people,
a lot of dogs.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Man, they had people at it everything that the worst
dog I ever played with, and he was strong, was
Miss Richmond.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
He changed because he he.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Got me away from being on the Sacramento started putting
him on me instead of point guards.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
And he was bigger and he used to.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Pound me a lot, so he made me a little
bit different and then he can come down and score.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
See what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
So I was always taking the challenge to go play him,
but he was wearing me down. So it was like,
that's what I wanted to do, man, And I just
wanted that challenge every day.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I wanted a challenge.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Who was your best point guard? Mess up John Stockton
by far. He was just a little bit more crafty.
Everybody thought he was dirty, but he was just stupid.
We just didn't know how to plane. It took me
six years of figuring him out. And then when I
figured him out, when we beat him in the Western
Conference finals, I figured him out.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I figured out I can't.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Keep doing the same thing I do with him and
try to overmatch him. I got to play the same
way he played, and I gotta just every time I
pound him, he'll fall and take a charge.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Then I started saying, no, I know he gonna hit.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
He gonna think I'm a hit him twice, but I'm
gonna hit him one time and I'm ana step off
and then to shoot a jumper in his face and
do everything and then face him up and go around him.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
He couldn't deal with me that day.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
And then when I figured him out, it was a
little bit different. And then, you know, like everybody know today,
I idolized him a lot, you know what I'm saying.
He's like one of my best friends, and you know,
and it was just I really love playing against players
like that, you know what I'm saying, because it got
me more of an IQ of the game. And I
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John Stock and Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, Rod Strickland, Mookie Blaylock,
people like that.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I wanted to play against men, you know what.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I'm saying, because they gave me more game and maybe
more of a basketball player for sure.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
For sure. We got to talk about Oakland.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, like we said, you know what I'm saying, it's
a lot down to point guards come out of Oakland.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Obviously y'all had a conversation recently on another podcast and
y'all was talking about top guards in Oakland and we
brung up Dame Lillard, Jason Kidd and you and I
went with Dane. That's my that's my class. That's the
guys I grew up playing against. I think Simba said
symbol symbol might have he said kid, he said he.
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Everybody else says you right, and I've seen what you said.
Your response, I love for you to elaborate a little
more response. I see the ship, but you where you
really start because obviously, y'all, dame my guy.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
You know Dan, that's our guy.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
But when you started breaking down, like hold on, I
averaged twenty points.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
The simple was over there said like yeah, because people forget.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Any hog what you're said. People forgot how score. People
think about my defense. Yea, y'all gotta understand, man, I
was scoring like for eight straight years. I was scoring
over twenty points a game. I feel what I'm saying,
and then I was getting down, locking down people and
then averaging eight assist in three steals.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Got to understand that that's that's where the game goes.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
And people don't understand I scored over like twenty one
thousand points.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
People forget that. They overlooked that.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
But what I say is about my two youngsters, right, Jay,
I raised him.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
You know what I'm saying. Y'all gotta understand.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Jay didn't start scoring until the end of the years
of his career, right, so if we break it down,
Jay is a better passard than me. You feel what
I'm saying. Defender he's not. You know what I'm saying,
Score he's not. But he's a great IQ guy. You
know what I'm saying. Dame is my youngster. You know
what I'm saying. We can't put Dame in that situation
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right now because he's not fulfilled all the things that
he's done.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
But he's made his mark on the NBA as that
shooting and.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Scoring, and Dame is a little bit different to point
guard in us, you know what I'm saying, because this
era came a little different. It's about scoring here now,
it's not about passing.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
The ball getting the other people into the game.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Jason was a better rebounder than both of us, you
know what I'm saying. So it's a little bit different
than what we do. Damed and steal the ball like
we stole the ball. So it's a little different than
what we're talking about eras it's an era thing. I
get everybody has their opinion about a lot of stuff,
but I just say where they're from.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
From Oakland, you know what I'm saying. And she agreed.
We breathe that, and that's just the way we're different.
I'm the o G.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
You know what I'm saying. So we did a little different.
You guys didn't watch me as much, but just know
who I am.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
You know what I'm saying. Y'all watch me as much.
It'll be like that. But it was light you're talking
about overall is like you said, because I played. I
played against him? Why and I understand that.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I always tell people it's about an era what y'all did.
That's why I don't like people to ask me about
a goat, because a goat ain't gonna work for me
because y'all didn't play at the same time as each other.
So I can't tell you about a goat. You know
what I'm saying. All of us was good.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
You feel what I'm saying, So you just think about stats.
That's why people go with a goat. They think about stats.
They say, oh, you want this, you want that? Man?
But did he play against him? Did he get down
at him like that? Now they didn't.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Then too many play against Larry Bird, one of the
coldest little motherfuckers I ever seen him on what what
what you're talking about?
Speaker 3 (25:42):
You know I'm just saying, man, you know, we didn't.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Play against Wilt Chamblin and Kareem or dul Jabor who
couldn't stop a skyhooking, and and and and Will Chamblin.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Everybody bringing Will Chamber's records.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Feel me, they bringing all these records and they talk
about Eves and the seas or whatever. Well, he was
twenty two, twenty one, Silver was the same. You know
what I'm saying. So we don't do goats here, man,
I don't you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I don't do goats.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
So, but the what the point guard thing in Oakland,
them three was pretty good. We were us three was
pretty damn.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Basketball.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
And we and two of us is in the Hall
of Fame and top seventy five. Dame is already on
top seven five. He's gonna be in the Hall of Fame.
We're doing the thing. You know, Dame might be might
score more points in both of us, But it is
what it is, you know what I'm saying. And I
think when they go to New York and say that
stuff about the point gods, you know, we got the
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point guards over.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Here in this West Another it's a trio like that
L a l A got some point guards the top
seventy five.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
But I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
If the two made the top seventy five, b D
is is about is my youngster? If he would have
got hurt, it would have been you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
But if we all three, if we played them three and.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Have been about yes, saying understand though Paul Pierce is
from Oakland, California too. He was born in Open California,
So we got another time. Yeah, Paul, Yeah, what's that?
You know what I'm saying. Paul Piers and grew up
around around the corner from me. I grew up with
his brother and now he moves from Oakland. When he
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was eleven, I.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Can't talk Paul my yeah, I tell it ain't known
like Hill like. He ain't no l a boy. He
grew up eleven. So let me let me break it down.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
That's the whare the game go?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
You feel? So?
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Yeah, so we got a lot of top seventy five yeahs,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
So you was a.
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Speaker 2 (28:18):
Who like showed you the way coming up in Oakland,
Like who put the ball in your hands?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
My daddy? Really, you guys.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Get my daddy coached everybody were talking about everybody.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Every one of these guys y'all.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Y'all were talking about my daddy coaches and touched hands
on So they brought me into that. I really, I
really idolized George Gervin, who is my stepdad now like
my step pops to now.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
But that's coming up in the hood and Oakland.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
My daddy was the one who put hands on me
and touched me, you know, and he touched a lot
of them. He coached Jay you know, Dame came a
little too later because he was in a later but
he played against my daddy and my daddy's scenes and
stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
But that was it.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
You gotta understand.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
We had b Shaw, Yeah, Antonio Davis there, Greg.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Falls, we had all them.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Cliff Robinson a player y'all forgot. Bill Russell was from Oakland.
Paul Solis is from Oakland. You done have a lot
of basketball player. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
You know that, don't part about that. This that's Pops. Yeah,
in the city, bro, everybody heard.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Heard about his dad a lot man. He reminds me
of my dad a lot. Your dad reminds me.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Of my dad a lot man.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
And my dad did the same thing. So, but you know,
it wasn't just about basketball, my pops.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
My pops.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
You score around the school and the DC dudes shooting
dice over there, and you say, oh, go there go
my daddy's They go, Miss Page's white white, uh, escalator whatever.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Whatever. Let's jump over fence and get up. Body help
because he's gonna get at us. You know what I'm saying.
My daddy put life in a lot of people. Man.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
He told them how to cook, told him how to
do every other things. And that's what I thought about
why I went into coaching now. While I coach young
guys now, because I want to make them men. Everybody
ain't gonna make it in basketball or profession. They got
to understand that their lives is be more and more
than sports. Their life is everything because they're gonna be.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
A parent at one time too.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
And you got to raise somebody, and that's what I
always tell them, and that's what that's why I got
into coaching because I want to tell them that and
understand that you can't always be who you want to be,
but you can be who you want to be a
different work in a different aspect.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
You could be a lawyer, doctor or whatever and make
an impact on anybody's life.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
And we got to understand that. Yeah, and that's what
you will take you as well. Big them up. He
coaches the Alma mater, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So the impact you have on them kids, not even
from a basketball standpoint, just to show like you can
be something in life where you can move like you
can have these morals and be successful other avenues is
very important because we don't got that much representation our community.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Absolutely, and that's what we got to always be big on.
When my daddy gave it to me, but then God
told him to pass it on to me and keep
it going, you know what I'm saying, Because we got
to catch these young kids because his mental health stuff
is really killing us right now. They don't know how
to respond to people and say yo, I know you
helping me.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Let me, let you help me. Let me tell you
about my.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Situation, because I can get a lot of these kids
out of their situations and get them into some help
programs and do the things that they have to do.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
But you have to give them some support because none
of them really grew up like that.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
They only grew up with a mama. Me and Jeff
grew up with a daddy. See, our daddy was a
big partner life. Most of the people didn't grow up
with the pops like that, So we got to understand that.
And most of my guys who I deal with didn't
grow up with daddy's like that. They grew up mamas
where they can go on the streets and do whatever
they wanted to do any time in their life. And
my daddy was there to take take responsibilities for him.
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So we have to understand that. So we got to
give them that support. Got to get into it that.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I definitely want to ask you to uh Sean Kent
from our state. He's Indiana, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
What I mean, our court Indiana, Indiana?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah for sure, right man, You know, I know all
of us want to ask you, man, how was that
playing with him?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Man? Like that was crazy, crazy, what a turn this out?
Real ship.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Listen, man, let me let me tell you all about that.
Everybody talk about this Live City. No no disrespect to
uh CP and them and all, like we were the
first ones with Love City. Me and Sean was the
first one to get it like that. You know what,
I'm playing with him for seven years was amazing. Me
and him are partners now in the cannabis business and
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all that stuff I see shot on a regular basis.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Man, and playing with.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Him and becoming a friend with him is more important
than that. That's how a chemistry comes together, and that's
how we did it. And people just don't understand I think,
And I always tell Sunnis, I said, if we wouldn't
have got our ego messed up and his ego messed up,
if he would have stayed with me more years, he'll be.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
A Hall of Fame by now.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
You know what I'm saying, Because we'd have made a
bigger dynasty than what we did. We were one of
the two warner one or one of the greatest duos
ever played with each other. And what I think, and
I'm trying to get him in the Hall of Fame
now for what he's done with me, you know what
I'm saying. So I just think I had a blessing
to play with a person with that much talent because
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I can just throw the ball up to him and
he would go get it anywhere. But people don't understand
how good he was with the basketball and shooting in
the mids, in the mid in the mid range game
and his back to the basket. He was a beast,
you know what I'm saying. And so people didn't really
understand that about how much freak ability he had. Man,
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you feel what I'm saying. He had a freak ability
that nobody really really knew that he had. But if
you see it every time y'all watch the highlights of
all our games, he did some stuff that was so
incredible to me.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Man. I used to be like, Wow, you know I'm
playing with this this dude. We used to see the
lobs you do it? Yeah, yeah, I usually you used
to always tell me.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
He's always telling me, Man, give me a challenge today, Man,
throw it somewhere where I own.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
You don't think I'm gonna go get it. And I
was just throw it up there and he'll go get it.
Was that instant chemistry though it was. It was what
happened was in eighty nine.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
I was in college and he was just coming out
right and Sonny's drafted him and they wanted the point guard.
And then Bernie Bickerstaff see me, and he said, I
think this is a kid that we're gonna get. So
he started telling Sean to watch me, and Sean started
watching me. And I was in college. They hit me
in every now and then, and then they they didn't
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have a chance to get me at all, you know
what I'm saying. And then all of a sudden they
food around and didn't make the playoffs and then got
lottery and their balls was a chance of what Dallas
was this year they get the cool flags. Their chances
were twelve percent to get the number two pick or
the number one pick, and they food around and got
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the number two pick. Wow, And I knew I wasn't
gonna go no lord and one or two. And New
Jersey wanted me, but they wanted a point guard and
a big man. And Derrick Coleman was coming out. And
then Kenny andershonw was gonna come out next year. So
I went and told him, don't drafted you can get
Kenny the next year. So I wanted to go to Seattle.
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So they drafted Derrick Coleman and then I went, I
went number two to Seattle.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yeah, so he was a part of the bullshit. Ear real, bro.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Hein't no way Dallas get that big it happens, man,
Hey man, they crucified my boy and go man man
because he he traded Lucas Man. But then all of
a sudden, the batn't even worse when all the mothers
got all them injuries, and then all of a sudden,
big bang bang. I went into one of them all
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crazy Litton.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Man, pay ten dollars and got a lottery. What I do?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I get.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Hit for that billion.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
And got the boy boy boy man.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Listen, that's one of my favorite NBA moments, man, that
they showing that draft from.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Yes, I'm like they cheating. Ain't no way it's supposed
to happen. No way it's supposed to happen. Bing along,
I knew.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
He was going to a whack team, a team that
was going to be losing, and all of a sudden,
I said, man.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
You get the at the lottery and hit the lot
and then those teams are at the bottom of the lottery.
He their chances were z it's.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Not fair that zero Dallas to get that pick, and
they went to the finals last year.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
That was in the finals, they lost to Boston.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
You feel what I'm saying, But you know what I
feel for my boy Jay Kidd as a head coach,
I love it. And then I feel for Nico Man.
Nico was my rep at Nike. That's like a little
brother than me. Man. He always looked up to me
like that. So I feel for him because what he took.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
You know what I'm saying. People don't understand.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
He's the president general manager. He can't make them calls
on his own. Owner has to make that call. He
can't just say I'll make the call because he's gonna
get He's going to get fired. So all you fans
out there messing out him like that, get up out
of here with that.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
He wasn't his call. Man make that decision.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
He made a decision on what he was told to
do or what it was it was supposed to be done,
and that's what they did.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
So I'm happy for him. What's gonna happen?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
You get Kyrie back after this injury man, which he'll
probably come back in January or something like that and
they'll be rolling. They'll make it up there, make a
thing ad come back. What it is, get all the
guys get.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Healthy, because if their whole team get healthy, it's gonna
be a beast. That it's gonna be a beast.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Speaking of the finals, and we all watched the last dance,
I want to ask you on this show, how did
they feel knowing you going to the finals against Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
In ninety six?
Speaker 4 (38:38):
That was great man. You remember I got on I
got on cover Sports, illustrating and saying mission impossible. I
just won the Defensive Player of the Year, first point
guard they ever do it, And it was just something,
but people didn't know. I got hurt. I tore my
cat muscle and I and I really would and couldn't move.
What I did was I went in there and they
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found to a solution. They found a little miracle miracle
thing to do. They got my leg better. I wrapped
it up a little bit and then all of a sudden,
you know, it's a miracle, you know. So then I
started playing and I started feeling better and better and better.
Then we got down too much and then I just
start saying, let me guard it. And he was averaging
thirty three at the time, and then I started making
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it a pest for him. I started making it a
pest for him, and then I broke it down to
twenty three. And then what coaches do? They knew I
started becoming a problem, so they had to make to
solve the problem.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
What do you do? You solve the problem?
Speaker 4 (39:36):
So Jordan was taking it personal with me, which I
wanted to happen. And then you know, Phil Jackson said, nah,
let me put somebody.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Bigger on him and distract him and make it a
problem for him.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
And he put Pipping on me. And Pipping is a
bigger player than me. He was six seven, he could
be He's mobile. He was there, and it was taking
a toll on me. Took a real toll on me
to try to score and guard Jordan at the same time.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
And it took a toll on them.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
And then by the time the sixth game came, we
had broke it down the three to two.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
That six game came on, I got a little fatigue,
you know what I'm saying, And they took us out.
You know what I'm saying. It is what it is.
It just took us out the game.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
But it was just good Buffy, who fast to see that,
Like that's a hell of a matchup, like to hold
y'all against one of the players that we called it
go like you said, that situation, that just got.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
To be dope for you in that moment. It's like,
I'm here. You know what.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
It was easy for me because of my mindset. I
thought it was always I wanted to play against all
the time. You remember they were seventy two and ten.
We were sixty four and eighteen. Y'all forgot that we
were the number two team in the league at the time,
and we beat them. We beat them out of that
one tent out of that ten. So it was like
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I just wanted the competition. I just wanted to play
the bast You know what I'm saying. I don't straight
away from nobody, man, when I play. My daddy always
told me, man, let ain't broken and off, get on
the floor and get it. And that's what I did.
I just went and got it. And he was always
the one to take the competitive to me.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, Well, how did you respond when you see him laugh?
Like I know you are. You probably was laughing too, I.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Laugh right, I said it is. I wouldn't even Jeff.
I wouldn't even respected him if he didn't say that.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Yeah, I wouldn't even respected him to say anything like that,
unless because it's his it's his documentary.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, I don't care. Man. We all knew what the
game was and Rusher was whoever. Whatever, it's good, we
knew what it was. Nah. Listen, man, o g We
are honored. Man.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
We appreciate you pulling up on this. Man, it's been
a pleasure. Listen, man, we can't wait. Some things in
the works. Man, we can't wait to see that happens.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Man. We ain't gonna say too much. You know what
I'm saying. Yes, you know I got it. I got
it all getting it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
I'm gonna get it man, anytime I want me on
this five twenty club, I'm with y'all. Man, do it
a club five twenty Man, y'are doing a great job.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
I told you. I respect y'all to the fullest. Man.
This is what I want to see and young guys
like y'all.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Man, get it, man, do what y'all want to do.
Man and they always. Man, set a mark for yourself. Man,
always when you lead something special with you, Jeffy playing
in the league, do your thing. Man, keep doing this
with your boys. Hook it up, man, do it and
tell y'all need me.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Halla Mobile Club five twenty out.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
The volume
The volume. Man, y'all ever, go get a new phone
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Speaker 2 (01:39):
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We definitely got a legend. I don't be saying legend
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Speaker 1 (01:46):
For sure, real legend. Now we're gonna talk about the
shoot game later episode o G. But you know what
I'm saying, We know you keep the feast right Nike
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Speaker 3 (01:56):
Have you ever seen those before? I have got a
couple of pair.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Have you ever seen those with the white laces? Because
that's his statement, that's the thing with the black forces with.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The white with that.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
But it's all good man, you can do that though.
You know what I'm saying, I'm going all black laceis man.
You gotta go all black out man. You got a
black that out like it's tent out man.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
You know what I'm saying. You see how you got
that white trim and that ship. It'll work. It'll work.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
If you get a fit with the black pants with
the little black white stripe on the run, you'll be
cold in the month.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I'm gonna get it right with color. So you're gonna
we're gonna do black. We're gonna do black with Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
We don't want Yes, We're gonna imagine.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Make sure we get gp to the black up the
right way to my right, my dog, young not your team.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
You will. I'm chilling, bro.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
We got a legend of building, like be here said,
it should be a good episode. Come on, man, talk.
Last ship we talked a lot of ship is gonna
be a good one, Yes, sir, what ship talk?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
We're gonna do all of the man.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Listen, man, we got a special guest in the building, man,
one of the best ever do it, Hall of fame,
one of the coldest man. You know what it is
that glove gp in the building, big doll. We appreciate
you sliding on this.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Man. Appreciate y'all. Man, y'all nehuses me. Man.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
You know I'm no g man, but it's all good.
I love ball all y'all. Man, It's all good. You
know what I'm saying. I like what y'all doing, man,
because we got to get our black presents out of here.
With all these avenues that we're doing with these shows. Man,
we got to be the ones that make people understand
that we can do other things and play sports and
all that other stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Man.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
We can be all there on this social media and
do it, and y'all do it the right way. Give
a message out to this stuff, man, and let's do it.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Man.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
You know what I'm saying. That's why I'm on here, man,
because I want everybody to understand. Man, we ain't just
out here to be killing and all this crazy stuff
and we aut here for some positive stuff for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
It's definitely. Man, listen now this show we love you.
Know what I'm saying. Keep the feats right. You got
some of the coldest shoes basketball history. In fact, I
don't want to skip around. What's that moment like with
GP Fine he getting his own signature shoe.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
You know what, that's crazy? Man? That just mean you
know you're doing work. You know you're doing work.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
When a company like Nike could come and say, look here, man,
we don't want you just to be in a shoe.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
We want you to have your shoe.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
And when they came at me in talk about the
glove man and all that other stuff, and then they
said they want.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Me to be a part of making the shoe.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You know what I'm saying. Usually they just give you
a shoe and say, yo, this is it. They wanted
me to be a part of the shoe and make
it meat. When I did the zipper on that thing,
that's a glove. That's what you zip up and on
your hand, and they fit like a glove, you know
what I'm saying. So when they did that and they
start giving me that opportunity. It was a big thing
for me. But you got to understand, we got to
(04:46):
represent them shoes too. You got to get out there
and play that game the way it is. And I
think they thought that they knew that I played that
game that way, so they gave me my own signature
to shoe. But what was the good thing about it
is that the shoes stuck in everybody. Yeah, and I
had to always think about it.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
What's gonna make these people keep doing the shoe? Y'all?
Don't get it.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
The women love to shoe more because they can throw
them down and go down with the monkey part when
I had all the different colors in it.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
So the women was rocking a real.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Tough even with the men. But it was just great
to have a shoot. You just gotta be blessed to
have a shoe, you.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Know what I'm saying. Jordans can go with that.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
You know, Pippy could come with it, Penny Hardaway could
come with it, you know, Ken Griffy.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
But it ain't too many Bo Jackson.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
It ain't too many people that got shoes and do
their thing, you know, Lebron and all.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Them dudes in a different era. But in my era
them there was the dudes.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
That we had shoes and we was pretty we was
pretty cold at it.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, and to see us standard testing times at dope
part because I remember my brother coming home. I had
a brother's teams older than me. Came home with him
and you first on zipp the joints.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
What I'm saying. You see the red joints on the side,
It's like I gotta had him. That was the kick
it off. Yeah, in Minnesota, played them in Minnesota. Did
you zip them down? I warmed up with them down
and yeah, I seen you Jeff going them on there.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Man. It was a pleasure to see some of the
younger guys that come after me to wear my shoe,
you know what I'm saying, And it'll be cool. When
I seen you wearing them, I was like, shit, young
guys is sucking with me, you know I'm And they
got down a lot of a lot of people get
there with my shoe, man, and it's cool, and I
appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Man.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
It's always I always look up to the old g's too.
And when you look up to the old gs and
so respect like that, it makes us feel good. You
know what I'm saying. And then we treated another different
way with with with the youngsters. And like I said,
if it wasn't for Jeff, I wouldn't be on here.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I don't really get out with too many podcasts. I
just get out with the people I love and it's
all good for that.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Just the counter off that you have any times you
see somebody your shoes like, hey, hey, take them shoes off, nigga,
Like you can't wear my shoes like that?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
You put some work here? Well where they giving that?
The money? To me? I ain't You know what I'm saying,
You ain't do it, man. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
They're paying for them. What you think about it? You
be like, nig you really can't get out of me.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
You know what I'm saying. But that's cool though, you know,
but it just shows hommage to to me. You know
what I'm saying. Even when I went.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Into the cannabis business and everybody smoking my mind strands.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
You know what I'm saying, I can't say you don't
smoke it.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
You know what I'm saying. I can't say it don't smoking, man,
you know what I'm saying. But it's good man. And
you look at some dudes like, dude, you know my shooting.
You ain't really getting it like that, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
But it's cool though, man, because they paying hummage to me. Man,
for sure.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
And don't nobody ever grew up talking about man they
have to shoot man and everybody man they thing.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Man.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I came out of open California, man in the hood,
and I didn't never think that I was gonna be
who I am, you know what I'm saying. So it's
just I just respect everything that people get and they
respect me, and it's good.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Man.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I just think that a lot of people look up
to me the way they look up to me, you
know what I'm saying, Because, like you said, people used
to come to me and be like, man at your shoe.
When I was I had my mama, my last money, man,
that was my Christmas good.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I'd be like, God, is that real? But it is good.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
It's a good feeling for me that I touched people's
lives like that, you know what I'm saying, And that's
great for me to see here that.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And see that definitely, and especially in our community like
this sneaked thing, especially ill grow up hop and stuff
like that. No matter what you had going on, it's
a special moment. Even though you know it's just a shoe.
You just keep you know what I'm saying, where going
to keep your feet safe? It idolized the moment for you.
So I just would like to be an iconic moment
in people's lives. That's dope, hell man.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And you know what I'm gonna do for y'all.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Man, y'all don't give me y'all side is man, And
I'm I'm gonna send y'all some of the bloods. Man.
They're gonna be coming back out about another year. Man,
I'm gonna send y'all black joints.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You know what I'm gonna see, y'all. I'm gonna gift
y'all man and things. Man. You know, I got a
lot of them here.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Man with the Miami heat ones is here, Man in
my house here, So I got them, man.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So I'm gonna givet y'all that.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Man.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Man, it's all good, and we're gonna get off. You
know what I'm saying this to build that how.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
It is like you know, you had the own shoot
and then you had the Jordan like peas, and now
to see them re released, you know what I'm saying,
Like you had that flavor back then.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
What's that like? To see the like in every avenue
of the shoe. You're still just killing it. Let me
tell you so, y'all.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Y'all know I get at me and Jordan's was we clyd.
You know what I'm saying, We get at it right.
So during that time, man, it was one of them things. Man,
I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Change some stuff that I was doing. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I just got traded from the Seattle SuperSonics. A lot
of things was going in my mind. Man, I wanted
to change my life. So Nike came at me, man
and Jordan them came at me, and they came and
me and Jay Kidd. They wanted to do an open thing.
They wanted both of us to get in the thing.
I didn't really want to change shoes. I said, Man,
let me try it, man, let me see how much
(10:11):
funk I can get in. And it's Jordan because he
was getting big, really really big at this time in
his shoe game. And so when they came. I told him, Man,
the only ready I'm gonna wear them is that they
got to give me some funk.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
And they gave me some funk. Man. When I went
when I went to the Lakers and the boat you
had here Amas holl.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
And, they was giving me some wave colors. That was dope,
you know what I'm saying. So I said, that's doing it,
and we did it, and I stayed for two years.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Then I went back when I went to.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Miami and went back to my thing and won the
championship in my things, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
So it was cool. Man. I want to ask you,
because we've been seeing you around. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
You always run basketball, which is super dope. What's that
feeling like to see your kid like? You know what
I'm saying, I have a great career in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I criticized my son so much. Man, I just told
him me it wasn't gonna be nothing, and he proved
me wrong, like what my.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Daddy did to me. Now, what's so good about this
is I could be a dad.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
At the first time I was thinking about myself, I played,
and I want him to play that way.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Y'all gotta understand.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Man, it's only one Gary Payton, and that's me, and
I just named my son after.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
So I told my son, I said, look here, man,
I know you mad at me that we got into
a situation where our relationship wasn't really really cool because
of that. And I just told him, look, when he
made a decision to go to Oregon State behind me,
that was a big deal for me for him because
I really didn't think he was gonna do that, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
So I tell him all the time, I said, man,
look here, don't never think.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
You got to be like me. It ain't gonna work
that way. I said.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
If you want to be like be anything with me,
just get your picture up side of it and let
us be two legends together. Put your picture aside of
me when we when I got my my number retired
or to stay, which he's gonna get his retired or
to stay, just put your your picture up next mind,
and then we ain't gotta say nothing.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
We can just say we two legends. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
So don't never compare yourself to me, you know, because
you'll understand I don't really know if he's my kid anyway,
because he got too much affle.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I think that's male man. You know what, mother, If.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Be talking on motherfuckers, I'd be like, whoa man, I'm
gonna lay up king trying to do all that.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
But you know, here athletic man.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
But the best thing I like about my kid is
that when people come up to me, they don't talk
about basketball, talk about how much good of a person is.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You know, how sweet he is and how good he is. Man.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
That makes a dash feel better because I know I
did what I did I had to do.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
As a parent, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I know I wasn't around all the time, you guys,
being at all the stuff he wanted me be at
because I was on his road doing the things I
was doing, and doing everything and other things, you know
what I'm saying. But as I went home, I became
a parent. So when I sit in the stands now,
I look at myself as being a parent. It's more
(13:24):
fulfilling for me to seem like that, you know what
I'm saying, instead of a basketball player. And that's the
greatest feeling to be.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
A dad.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
His competitor to the you know, defensive without effort. And
I don't know if you that trickled down from you
because you're a great defender. But he's one of those
lockdown defenders. Like every time he says in the game,
you know he's going on the best player, he gonna compete.
And it's been like that since Washington. Yeah, when I
seen him when he was on Washington, he played against something.
I'm like, man, don't play with the ball around him.
(13:53):
He's gonna still it. That's something that you like put
into his head, like a you're gonna make you gotta
play defense, Jeff.
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That is because he was around me so much and
I told him to be a two way defender.
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Speaker 4 (15:43):
If you could go into a game and score thirty
and then the guys scored thirty six, that's a wash.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, it's six points different.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
If you can go in the game and you score
thirty and hold him to twenty or sixteen, you've won
the game by fourteen or twelve ten, you know what
I'm saying. So you've done your job. So what he
did was with his long orange he became that thing.
But his mentality is that he don't have to score.
He can just lock you down. What I like about
(16:12):
him is every time he get in the game, he
always tell the person, let me guard the best person
on him. And that's what I like about it. He
guards always the best defender. I hate this game now
because them dudes try to shy away from guarding the
best defender when you know you're the best player. So
y'all both, y'all both ballot it out. But it is
what it is. But that's what I love about it.
(16:32):
You always want to guard.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
The best offender. That's you say. Because be here just
brought it up. We talking about the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
You know what I'm saying, Like, we don't get the
main two players on the team, even if they play.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
I missed that shit, bro, I missed that too in
my era, man, because you know me. If I'm playing
to Jordan Jordan, you feel what I'm saying. I'm guarding him.
If I'm if I got.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
To go if when Magic was there, I'm guard Magic.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I don't care how big I was. I'm guarding that boy.
John Stockton, I'm guarding him. I'm going any tim hardaway.
I'm Kevin Kevin Johnson. I'm going to him. I'm not
shaving away. I'm not straying away from them, dudes. I'm
going out there.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Hey, you want them to get at them.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I want to get at them because I'm gonna tell you,
if I get you down here, you have a problem
down there, because I'm gonna go at you in the
offense again, I'm always don't get it to you because
if because I'm gonna get you on the block, and
I'm I'm gonna tell you him, I'm gonna back.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
You in off saying forget that about you get it.
If I get you in the block, man, I'm gonna
kill you.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You know what I'm saying, Like, did you post up
in high school? I didn't because I don't know how
you got to play.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Let me tell you how that went down.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Right, two years in the NBA, I got drafted in
ninety right, eighty nine, ninety right.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I was horrible for two years in Seattle. They wanted
to trade me.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Then they changed coaches and went to George call and
they brought in Tim tim Girt, who came from here
from Tark.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
They told us that we don't work out.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
With him in the summer and in summer league, and
we got to go back to some league and trade us.
So when he went the first thing he did he
brought me in a suite just like this, and he
had two TVs. Yeah, one TV that had me playing
as a signing my two years and one TV as
Oregon State. He kicked the TV down with a signing.
(18:20):
He said, I don't get shit. I don't want you
to playing like that. Did you play like him? And
next thing you know, I said, I'm there. I said,
what do I have to do? He said, you just
got to be a gym every day.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Every day. I tell you.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
When I went in the gym, he said, I noticed
something about you. You're very big, you're very you're very athletic,
and you got both hands. Because I'm a lefty, but
I'm ambidescri he said, I can go both ways.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
He said, I want you to post up players.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
So he started putting me on the block, banging me,
banging me, and I started working at my game. I
started working at the spin and y'all know my spin
was was the colder is one of the colder spins anything.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I started spinning off people and filling people, and he
was like, be a beast.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
And then that's what it happened. I start posting up people.
I start fading the way I started doing jumping, start
going in the middle. I started kicking it out and
then he said, ain't nobody gonna be able to stop you?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And then not to start doing it all the time. Man,
The dope. Part that you said is that happened after
year two.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
We expect so many high draft picks to come in
the league now from day one to be polished and produced.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
It takes time to get good. Yeah, take time. Everybody's
not gonna be good.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
You know what I'm saying, You come out because you
got to understand everybody up here is good too.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
You're playing against college players with college players. How many
college good college players you're gonna play against. You're gona
play against one or two every now and then, and
then you're gonna play against them in the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
So when you get to here, we need the same
skilled as you, and we're probably even better than you.
So now you're gonna work against us all the time.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
So how you gonna do it? How you gonna be
that way? And that's what it was. And then you know,
in my era, I was going against a lot of people,
a lot of dogs.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Man, they had people at it everything that the worst
dog I ever played with, and he was strong, was
Miss Richmond.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
He changed because he he.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Got me away from being on the Sacramento started putting
him on me instead of point guards.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
And he was bigger and he used to.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Pound me a lot, so he made me a little
bit different and then he can come down and score.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
See what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
So I was always taking the challenge to go play him,
but he was wearing me down. So it was like,
that's what I wanted to do, man, And I just
wanted that challenge every day.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I wanted a challenge.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Who was your best point guard? Mess up John Stockton
by far. He was just a little bit more crafty.
Everybody thought he was dirty, but he was just stupid.
We just didn't know how to plane. It took me
six years of figuring him out. And then when I
figured him out, when we beat him in the Western
Conference finals, I figured him out.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I figured out I can't.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Keep doing the same thing I do with him and
try to overmatch him. I got to play the same
way he played, and I gotta just every time I
pound him, he'll fall and take a charge.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Then I started saying, no, I know he gonna hit.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
He gonna think I'm a hit him twice, but I'm
gonna hit him one time and I'm ana step off
and then to shoot a jumper in his face and
do everything and then face him up and go around him.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
He couldn't deal with me that day.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
And then when I figured him out, it was a
little bit different. And then, you know, like everybody know today,
I idolized him a lot, you know what I'm saying.
He's like one of my best friends, and you know,
and it was just I really love playing against players
like that, you know what I'm saying, because it got
me more of an IQ of the game. And I
(21:36):
John Stock and Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, Rod Strickland, Mookie Blaylock,
people like that.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I wanted to play against men, you know what.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I'm saying, because they gave me more game and maybe
more of a basketball player for sure.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
For sure. We got to talk about Oakland.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, like we said, you know what I'm saying, it's
a lot down to point guards come out of Oakland.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Obviously y'all had a conversation recently on another podcast and
y'all was talking about top guards in Oakland and we
brung up Dame Lillard, Jason Kidd and you and I
went with Dane. That's my that's my class. That's the
guys I grew up playing against. I think Simba said
symbol symbol might have he said kid, he said he.
(22:27):
Everybody else says you right, and I've seen what you said.
Your response, I love for you to elaborate a little
more response. I see the ship, but you where you
really start because obviously, y'all, dame my guy.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
You know Dan, that's our guy.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
But when you started breaking down, like hold on, I
averaged twenty points.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
The simple was over there said like yeah, because people forget.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Any hog what you're said. People forgot how score. People
think about my defense. Yea, y'all gotta understand, man, I
was scoring like for eight straight years. I was scoring
over twenty points a game. I feel what I'm saying,
and then I was getting down, locking down people and
then averaging eight assist in three steals.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Got to understand that that's that's where the game goes.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
And people don't understand I scored over like twenty one
thousand points.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
People forget that. They overlooked that.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
But what I say is about my two youngsters, right, Jay,
I raised him.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
You know what I'm saying. Y'all gotta understand.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Jay didn't start scoring until the end of the years
of his career, right, so if we break it down,
Jay is a better passard than me. You feel what
I'm saying. Defender he's not. You know what I'm saying,
Score he's not. But he's a great IQ guy. You
know what I'm saying. Dame is my youngster. You know
what I'm saying. We can't put Dame in that situation
(23:50):
right now because he's not fulfilled all the things that
he's done.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
But he's made his mark on the NBA as that
shooting and.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Scoring, and Dame is a little bit different to point
guard in us, you know what I'm saying, because this
era came a little different. It's about scoring here now,
it's not about passing.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
The ball getting the other people into the game.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Jason was a better rebounder than both of us, you
know what I'm saying. So it's a little bit different
than what we do. Damed and steal the ball like
we stole the ball. So it's a little different than
what we're talking about eras it's an era thing. I
get everybody has their opinion about a lot of stuff,
but I just say where they're from.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
From Oakland, you know what I'm saying. And she agreed.
We breathe that, and that's just the way we're different.
I'm the o G.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
You know what I'm saying. So we did a little different.
You guys didn't watch me as much, but just know
who I am.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
You know what I'm saying. Y'all watch me as much.
It'll be like that. But it was light you're talking
about overall is like you said, because I played. I
played against him? Why and I understand that.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I always tell people it's about an era what y'all did.
That's why I don't like people to ask me about
a goat, because a goat ain't gonna work for me
because y'all didn't play at the same time as each other.
So I can't tell you about a goat. You know
what I'm saying. All of us was good.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
You feel what I'm saying, So you just think about stats.
That's why people go with a goat. They think about stats.
They say, oh, you want this, you want that? Man?
But did he play against him? Did he get down
at him like that? Now they didn't.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Then too many play against Larry Bird, one of the
coldest little motherfuckers I ever seen him on what what
what you're talking about?
Speaker 3 (25:42):
You know I'm just saying, man, you know, we didn't.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Play against Wilt Chamblin and Kareem or dul Jabor who
couldn't stop a skyhooking, and and and and Will Chamblin.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Everybody bringing Will Chamber's records.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Feel me, they bringing all these records and they talk
about Eves and the seas or whatever. Well, he was
twenty two, twenty one, Silver was the same. You know
what I'm saying. So we don't do goats here, man,
I don't you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I don't do goats.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
So, but the what the point guard thing in Oakland,
them three was pretty good. We were us three was
pretty damn.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Basketball.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
And we and two of us is in the Hall
of Fame and top seventy five. Dame is already on
top seven five. He's gonna be in the Hall of Fame.
We're doing the thing. You know, Dame might be might
score more points in both of us, But it is
what it is, you know what I'm saying. And I
think when they go to New York and say that
stuff about the point gods, you know, we got the
(26:38):
point guards over.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Here in this West Another it's a trio like that
L a l A got some point guards the top
seventy five.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
But I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
If the two made the top seventy five, b D
is is about is my youngster? If he would have
got hurt, it would have been you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
But if we all three, if we played them three and.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Have been about yes, saying understand though Paul Pierce is
from Oakland, California too. He was born in Open California,
So we got another time. Yeah, Paul, Yeah, what's that?
You know what I'm saying. Paul Piers and grew up
around around the corner from me. I grew up with
his brother and now he moves from Oakland. When he
(27:29):
was eleven, I.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Can't talk Paul my yeah, I tell it ain't known
like Hill like. He ain't no l a boy. He
grew up eleven. So let me let me break it down.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
That's the whare the game go?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
You feel? So?
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Yeah, so we got a lot of top seventy five yeahs,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
So you was a.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
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Speaker 2 (28:18):
Who like showed you the way coming up in Oakland,
Like who put the ball in your hands?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
My daddy? Really, you guys.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Get my daddy coached everybody were talking about everybody.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Every one of these guys y'all.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Y'all were talking about my daddy coaches and touched hands
on So they brought me into that. I really, I
really idolized George Gervin, who is my stepdad now like
my step pops to now.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
But that's coming up in the hood and Oakland.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
My daddy was the one who put hands on me
and touched me, you know, and he touched a lot
of them. He coached Jay you know, Dame came a
little too later because he was in a later but
he played against my daddy and my daddy's scenes and
stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
But that was it.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
You gotta understand.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
We had b Shaw, Yeah, Antonio Davis there, Greg.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Falls, we had all them.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Cliff Robinson a player y'all forgot. Bill Russell was from Oakland.
Paul Solis is from Oakland. You done have a lot
of basketball player. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
You know that, don't part about that. This that's Pops. Yeah,
in the city, bro, everybody heard.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Heard about his dad a lot man. He reminds me
of my dad a lot. Your dad reminds me.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Of my dad a lot man.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
And my dad did the same thing. So, but you know,
it wasn't just about basketball, my pops.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
My pops.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
You score around the school and the DC dudes shooting
dice over there, and you say, oh, go there go
my daddy's They go, Miss Page's white white, uh, escalator whatever.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Whatever. Let's jump over fence and get up. Body help
because he's gonna get at us. You know what I'm saying.
My daddy put life in a lot of people. Man.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
He told them how to cook, told him how to
do every other things. And that's what I thought about
why I went into coaching now. While I coach young
guys now, because I want to make them men. Everybody
ain't gonna make it in basketball or profession. They got
to understand that their lives is be more and more
than sports. Their life is everything because they're gonna be.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
A parent at one time too.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
And you got to raise somebody, and that's what I
always tell them, and that's what that's why I got
into coaching because I want to tell them that and
understand that you can't always be who you want to be,
but you can be who you want to be a
different work in a different aspect.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
You could be a lawyer, doctor or whatever and make
an impact on anybody's life.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
And we got to understand that. Yeah, and that's what
you will take you as well. Big them up. He
coaches the Alma mater, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So the impact you have on them kids, not even
from a basketball standpoint, just to show like you can
be something in life where you can move like you
can have these morals and be successful other avenues is
very important because we don't got that much representation our community.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Absolutely, and that's what we got to always be big on.
When my daddy gave it to me, but then God
told him to pass it on to me and keep
it going, you know what I'm saying, Because we got
to catch these young kids because his mental health stuff
is really killing us right now. They don't know how
to respond to people and say yo, I know you
helping me.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Let me, let you help me. Let me tell you
about my.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Situation, because I can get a lot of these kids
out of their situations and get them into some help
programs and do the things that they have to do.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
But you have to give them some support because none
of them really grew up like that.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
They only grew up with a mama. Me and Jeff
grew up with a daddy. See, our daddy was a
big partner life. Most of the people didn't grow up
with the pops like that, So we got to understand that.
And most of my guys who I deal with didn't
grow up with daddy's like that. They grew up mamas
where they can go on the streets and do whatever
they wanted to do any time in their life. And
my daddy was there to take take responsibilities for him.
(32:02):
So we have to understand that. So we got to
give them that support. Got to get into it that.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I definitely want to ask you to uh Sean Kent
from our state. He's Indiana, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
What I mean, our court Indiana, Indiana?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah for sure, right man, You know, I know all
of us want to ask you, man, how was that
playing with him?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Man? Like that was crazy, crazy, what a turn this out?
Real ship.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Listen, man, let me let me tell you all about that.
Everybody talk about this Live City. No no disrespect to
uh CP and them and all, like we were the
first ones with Love City. Me and Sean was the
first one to get it like that. You know what,
I'm playing with him for seven years was amazing. Me
and him are partners now in the cannabis business and
(32:58):
all that stuff I see shot on a regular basis.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Man, and playing with.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Him and becoming a friend with him is more important
than that. That's how a chemistry comes together, and that's
how we did it. And people just don't understand I think,
And I always tell Sunnis, I said, if we wouldn't
have got our ego messed up and his ego messed up,
if he would have stayed with me more years, he'll be.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
A Hall of Fame by now.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
You know what I'm saying, Because we'd have made a
bigger dynasty than what we did. We were one of
the two warner one or one of the greatest duos
ever played with each other. And what I think, and
I'm trying to get him in the Hall of Fame
now for what he's done with me, you know what
I'm saying. So I just think I had a blessing
to play with a person with that much talent because
(33:47):
I can just throw the ball up to him and
he would go get it anywhere. But people don't understand
how good he was with the basketball and shooting in
the mids, in the mid in the mid range game
and his back to the basket. He was a beast,
you know what I'm saying. And so people didn't really
understand that about how much freak ability he had. Man,
(34:07):
you feel what I'm saying. He had a freak ability
that nobody really really knew that he had. But if
you see it every time y'all watch the highlights of
all our games, he did some stuff that was so
incredible to me.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Man. I used to be like, Wow, you know I'm
playing with this this dude. We used to see the
lobs you do it? Yeah, yeah, I usually you used
to always tell me.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
He's always telling me, Man, give me a challenge today, Man,
throw it somewhere where I own.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
You don't think I'm gonna go get it. And I
was just throw it up there and he'll go get it.
Was that instant chemistry though it was. It was what
happened was in eighty nine.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
I was in college and he was just coming out
right and Sonny's drafted him and they wanted the point guard.
And then Bernie Bickerstaff see me, and he said, I
think this is a kid that we're gonna get. So
he started telling Sean to watch me, and Sean started
watching me. And I was in college. They hit me
in every now and then, and then they they didn't
(35:04):
have a chance to get me at all, you know
what I'm saying. And then all of a sudden they
food around and didn't make the playoffs and then got
lottery and their balls was a chance of what Dallas
was this year they get the cool flags. Their chances
were twelve percent to get the number two pick or
the number one pick, and they food around and got
(35:25):
the number two pick. Wow, And I knew I wasn't
gonna go no lord and one or two. And New
Jersey wanted me, but they wanted a point guard and
a big man. And Derrick Coleman was coming out. And
then Kenny andershonw was gonna come out next year. So
I went and told him, don't drafted you can get
Kenny the next year. So I wanted to go to Seattle.
(35:47):
So they drafted Derrick Coleman and then I went, I
went number two to Seattle.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yeah, so he was a part of the bullshit. Ear real, bro.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Hein't no way Dallas get that big it happens, man,
Hey man, they crucified my boy and go man man
because he he traded Lucas Man. But then all of
a sudden, the batn't even worse when all the mothers
got all them injuries, and then all of a sudden,
big bang bang. I went into one of them all
(36:27):
crazy Litton.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Man, pay ten dollars and got a lottery. What I do?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I get.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Hit for that billion.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
And got the boy boy boy man.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Listen, that's one of my favorite NBA moments, man, that
they showing that draft from.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Yes, I'm like they cheating. Ain't no way it's supposed
to happen. No way it's supposed to happen. Bing along,
I knew.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
He was going to a whack team, a team that
was going to be losing, and all of a sudden,
I said, man.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
You get the at the lottery and hit the lot
and then those teams are at the bottom of the lottery.
He their chances were z it's.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Not fair that zero Dallas to get that pick, and
they went to the finals last year.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
That was in the finals, they lost to Boston.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
You feel what I'm saying, But you know what I
feel for my boy Jay Kidd as a head coach,
I love it. And then I feel for Nico Man.
Nico was my rep at Nike. That's like a little
brother than me. Man. He always looked up to me
like that. So I feel for him because what he took.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
You know what I'm saying. People don't understand.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
He's the president general manager. He can't make them calls
on his own. Owner has to make that call. He
can't just say I'll make the call because he's gonna
get He's going to get fired. So all you fans
out there messing out him like that, get up out
of here with that.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
He wasn't his call. Man make that decision.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
He made a decision on what he was told to
do or what it was it was supposed to be done,
and that's what they did.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
So I'm happy for him. What's gonna happen?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
You get Kyrie back after this injury man, which he'll
probably come back in January or something like that and
they'll be rolling. They'll make it up there, make a
thing ad come back. What it is, get all the
guys get.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Healthy, because if their whole team get healthy, it's gonna
be a beast. That it's gonna be a beast.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Speaking of the finals, and we all watched the last dance,
I want to ask you on this show, how did
they feel knowing you going to the finals against Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
In ninety six?
Speaker 4 (38:38):
That was great man. You remember I got on I
got on cover Sports, illustrating and saying mission impossible. I
just won the Defensive Player of the Year, first point
guard they ever do it, And it was just something,
but people didn't know. I got hurt. I tore my
cat muscle and I and I really would and couldn't move.
What I did was I went in there and they
(38:59):
found to a solution. They found a little miracle miracle
thing to do. They got my leg better. I wrapped
it up a little bit and then all of a sudden,
you know, it's a miracle, you know. So then I
started playing and I started feeling better and better and better.
Then we got down too much and then I just
start saying, let me guard it. And he was averaging
thirty three at the time, and then I started making
(39:21):
it a pest for him. I started making it a
pest for him, and then I broke it down to
twenty three. And then what coaches do? They knew I
started becoming a problem, so they had to make to
solve the problem.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
What do you do? You solve the problem?
Speaker 4 (39:36):
So Jordan was taking it personal with me, which I
wanted to happen. And then you know, Phil Jackson said, nah,
let me put somebody.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Bigger on him and distract him and make it a
problem for him.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
And he put Pipping on me. And Pipping is a
bigger player than me. He was six seven, he could
be He's mobile. He was there, and it was taking
a toll on me. Took a real toll on me
to try to score and guard Jordan at the same time.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
And it took a toll on them.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
And then by the time the sixth game came, we
had broke it down the three to two.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
That six game came on, I got a little fatigue,
you know what I'm saying, And they took us out.
You know what I'm saying. It is what it is.
It just took us out the game.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
But it was just good Buffy, who fast to see that,
Like that's a hell of a matchup, like to hold
y'all against one of the players that we called it
go like you said, that situation, that just got.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
To be dope for you in that moment. It's like,
I'm here. You know what.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
It was easy for me because of my mindset. I
thought it was always I wanted to play against all
the time. You remember they were seventy two and ten.
We were sixty four and eighteen. Y'all forgot that we
were the number two team in the league at the time,
and we beat them. We beat them out of that
one tent out of that ten. So it was like
(40:49):
I just wanted the competition. I just wanted to play
the bast You know what I'm saying. I don't straight
away from nobody, man, when I play. My daddy always
told me, man, let ain't broken and off, get on
the floor and get it. And that's what I did.
I just went and got it. And he was always
the one to take the competitive to me.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, Well, how did you respond when you see him laugh?
Like I know you are. You probably was laughing too, I.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Laugh right, I said it is. I wouldn't even Jeff.
I wouldn't even respected him if he didn't say that.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Yeah, I wouldn't even respected him to say anything like that,
unless because it's his it's his documentary.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, I don't care. Man. We all knew what the
game was and Rusher was whoever. Whatever, it's good, we
knew what it was. Nah. Listen, man, o g We
are honored. Man.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
We appreciate you pulling up on this. Man, it's been
a pleasure. Listen, man, we can't wait. Some things in
the works. Man, we can't wait to see that happens.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Man. We ain't gonna say too much. You know what
I'm saying. Yes, you know I got it. I got
it all getting it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
I'm gonna get it man, anytime I want me on
this five twenty club, I'm with y'all. Man, do it
a club five twenty Man, y'are doing a great job.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
I told you. I respect y'all to the fullest. Man.
This is what I want to see and young guys
like y'all.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Man, get it, man, do what y'all want to do.
Man and they always. Man, set a mark for yourself. Man,
always when you lead something special with you, Jeffy playing
in the league, do your thing. Man, keep doing this
with your boys. Hook it up, man, do it and
tell y'all need me.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Halla Mobile Club five twenty out.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
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Karoline Borega married a man of honor – a respected Colorado Springs Police officer. She knew there would be sacrifices to accommodate her husband’s career. But she had no idea that he was using his badge to fool everyone. This season, we expose a man who swore two sacred oaths—one to his badge, one to his bride—and broke them both. We follow Karoline as she questions everything she thought she knew about her partner of over 20 years. And make sure to check out Seasons 1-3 of Betrayal, along with Betrayal Weekly Season 1.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.