Club Shay Shay - Arnez J. Part 1

Arnez J. On Katt Williams, Kevin Hart, Mo’Nique, Rickey Smiley, Bernie Mac, BET & Comic View

In Part 1 of this episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe sits down with the electric and fearless Arnez J.—a legendary stand-up comedian, dynamic actor, and one of the most physical performers ever to grace a comedy stage. With nearly 35 years in the game, the former host of BET’s Comic View and Def Comedy Jam alum has performed to sold-out crowds across the country and built a legacy rooted in originality, raw honesty, and side-splitting impressions.

Arnez opens up about his deeply personal comedic influences, including imitating family members like his Uncle Charlie and honoring his developmentally challenged brother Rodney through his act.He and Shannon revisit their brief fallout over a fishing trip gone wrong and Arnez missing Shannon’s Hall of Fame induction. He shares wild stories from his days as a flight attendant—including altercations with passengers, getting suspended, and even sending a photo of his rear end to the airline after they tried to rehire him.

Arnez also dives into his complicated family history: being told at his grandmother’s funeral that his father wasn’t really his father, the heartbreak of trying to help his sister during an eviction, and the tragic deaths of his brothers.

He reflects on the impact of his mother’s passing just moments before performing one of the best shows of his life, and the eerie coincidence of learning his brother had died while doing an interview about childhood trauma. He also weighs in on comedian rivalries, the Katt Williams interview, and how he once beat both Kevin Hart and Katt Williams in a race. Plus: his beef and reconciliation with Rickey Smiley, his thoughts on joke-stealing, a wild piece of hate mail from Australia, and why he lives by the bro code.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Is it true cat gave you money?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hat did something for my brother Dad where I will
always hold the highest respect for him. There's nothing you
could ever tell me wrong about this man.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice hustle, Pat Price,
one slice got the brother geist.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Swap all my life.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'd be grinding all my life, all my life and
grinding all my life sacrifice hustle bat Price, one slice
got the broling geist.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Swash all my life. I've been grinding all my life.
La la huh. Hello, welcome you to another episode of
Club Shape Shape. I am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm
also the propride of Club shap Shape stopping by for
conversation on the drink today. Is a band favorite, a
familiar face on the comedy. He's been a stand Don't

(00:51):
Come comedian for almost thirty live years. He was host
to BT Comic View for two seasons. That comedy jam
Alum one of the most fit and fearless comedians ever.
One of the day's best working artists. A dynamic actor
and a writer, he has an infectious energy and a
gift for storytelling. He leaves a crowd in tears laughter.
He performed to sould that shoulder across the country. He

(01:13):
calls himself one of the great fishermen. Let him tell it,
he was also a great athlete when he was younger. Harry,
you dat I hadn't seen this man in a long time,
but hey be about to catch up, mister R. S J.
Come on now, see there you.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Go, Come on now that that's pretty good. One of
them things you read went huh No, but no, it's
all is you, That's all. That's man thirty five in
a game, I would not say that I'm a writer,
you know, a writer.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Nah, I'm not writer. I'm a I'm a visionary.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I visualize and I see things in my head and
I guess it jots itself down, right.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
But you don't write. You don't write down anything no now,
because I would get an f Trust me, you weren't
good at school. I have good penmanship. You know.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
You know I was good at school as far as
learn it right. But the reason I said I wasn't
good in school because you and I haven't known each
other for a long time.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yes, when I saw.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
How brainy you were, I basically shut the hell up
because I was like, it don't make no sense. Of
black man to talk with this much art turk, as
much articulous elation in his brain. But he's straight country.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
I don't get it. I don't get that he go catfishing.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
But he can, he can, he can, he can hang
out with the rest of the crew.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
I mean good. Yeah, I'm pretty good. You are. You're intelligent,
very intelligent. I appreciate that you really are. You know what,
Let's start off with this. You've been in the game
thirty five years and a lot of I mean you
always normally not always, but you tell a story. One
of your favorite storylines is you talk about your brother Rodney.

(02:56):
Everybody wants to know how it is Rodney. Do it. Rodney.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I will never ever be able to let go out
of my comedy because my fans won't allow it right.
And I'm not one of these I'm not one of
these comedians. When somebody says do this, you you despite
them and say no, I'm not gonna do it because
you don't feel like doing it right. You better feel
like remember who paid you get gotten you where you're

(03:21):
at besides God. So I'm very humble when my fans
they will not let Rodney ever go because there's always
there's always a new story about Rodney. But they won't
let him go, so I can't let him go. But
before we get into all that, because I know this
your show and that thing, I got something to ask you,
which real talk. You and I have known each other

(03:43):
for a long time. I'm gonna say twenty twenty. I
want to know what happened to us. The reason I'm
asking you that is because you know what happened. No,
don't know why you interrupted? Could you see? That's how
that's how. That's when people lie, That's how they do it.
They jump in. Okay, bad, Okay. The last time we connected,
Yeah we won a plane. Yeah, you sent me an

(04:05):
invitation to you being inducted to the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
I did.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I could not make it. And when I could not
make it, I cut you off. You cut me off.
Thank you for being honest about it.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Thank you for being honest about Thank you Jesus for
sticking your thumb in his eye. Why would you cut
a friend off? And now especially you really need me.
I need you that I know now I don't know
if I want to be I don't know real what happened? No,

(04:38):
what we leaves to other truth. Actually, actually we had
a fisher trip player before the before, before the Hall
of Fame. Yeah, and then you know, I think you
got scared because you know, you didn't want. You didn't
want because you brought up the fishing. I didn't break
up the fishing. You brought that up. You're good at deflecting.
I know that. I'm just telling you how I gotta

(04:59):
tell the hold. I gotta because you just want to
get right to the plot. But none of that is
something that led up. There is a series of events.
It's kind of like the limited Sniggers. There is a
series of events that led to this. Okay, and the
series of events you and not having a conversation. Hey,
yeah out there, jow you doing man, Man, love your
following your career. Man, he was the hell of a player.
Congratulations of everything the super Bowl? Man, how was it?

(05:20):
You know, we have a great conversation, got it? Hey,
you was courteous. I was receptive to courtesy. I thought
we good. Good, we were good. Call a couple of times,
Hey James, hey sharp man, how you do it? Man?
I'm good man, Glad you called? What's going on? Blah
blah blah, then had this fishing trip schedule. Okay. I
was like, okay, man said he where's the camera? I
can look at real quick. That's right, that's you. Okay, continue, okay,

(05:45):
So what you know deep so? I said, hey, how
you want to do? You want to a line fish?
You're on short fish. You wanna go into the boat.
Blah blah blah. Hey man, I'm deep sea fishing. You
know group, Black Grouper, that's your thing. It is. Yeah,
see what I'm saying. It is black group. Yeah yeah, yeah, man,
you know black group. I can't drum sheep head, you know.

(06:05):
Blah blah blah. I said, okay, bro, what all the
fans the name? I get all that. I got it, Okay,
it did. I was like, you know what, I have
a you know, have a little you know, cause it
wasn't no celebs in my little station. I ain't have
no celebs. I don't really know nobody. I said, you
know what, it'd be real nice when they paying the audience,
they're like, ma'am man sharp on there. J Yeah, but

(06:28):
I don't even hang out with celebrities like that. I know,
I never have.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
I'm a loner, I mean cause I mean personally not
to say anything, but sometimes you know, it's a difference
when you hang out with regular folks and hang out
with people who want to get to a place or
all right at that place right, and I ain't fronting
for nobody, plain and simple.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
So you know, either you like me or you don't.
I ain't ain't, I ain't got time. And then you
change the number. Ooh lord, okay, that story you go
roll number. I tried to reach out to you. I
DM you several times. Fellow deaths. Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Okay, I just wanted to know what happened. And to
the best of your recollection, Well.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Best my recollection is I get a invite, yeah, yeah,
to your inauguration Hall of Fame induct Yes, yep, you
were going in, Yes, And I was so overjoyed and
happy for you. I wanted to go. I could not
go because I could not get out of my contract.
I had a contract. They wasn't trying to hear.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
They weren't trying to let me out of a contract
at that time to go. I could have just said no,
I'm not going to. But other than just you, I
also have to think about my fans that paid them money. Yeah,
I get that, so I have to go both ways.
I tried to get a hold of you. There was
no number to get a hold of you.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
There was length.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
It was you know, that one famous sound, one of them,
not one of them things. The number you called me
a service you reached this. You ain't even got to
do all that. Soon as you hear you already know,
just hang up, no man. So that is always kind of.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
I started sending them folks look for you? What folk?
The folk to look for you?

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I'm just saying, bro, I was just wondering what happened,
And this is what I feel.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
What true friends do.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
They can talk and they can Sometimes people can't deal
with the truth absolutely. So that's why you know, I asked,
because I even told my road manager Roderick, I said, look,
this is one of the first things I need to
ask him because it has bothered me for so long.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
It bothered me. Then people ask him. He's like man,
because a lot of time obvitually you know, club Sha share.
I've had a lot of comedians on a lot of comedians,
they're like, man, where you gonna have arn? There's jay
I said, that's a good question. I said, when y'all
see him asking Mmm, I've been saying I ain't saying
about all of them, but I've been saying that, yeah,

(09:09):
got that's what everybody say. May you have, may you
this one and that one? Man? You have had all
the O G from comic you and depth com together.
I said, yeah, I know, said man, what about they
call me triple O G. Now what y'all know about that?
You ain't got triple on you? Triple you got all
the young young's in here working for you? Yeah? Yeah.

(09:30):
Let me ask you this about Rodney. When did you
realize that you were he was gonna be a part
of your show because you mentioned the term. You say,
Rodney is not handicapped, he has a condition. And sometimes
you know, we like we've done away with the word handicapping.
We say, okay, he's he's challenged or now because the

(09:50):
word used to be they slow, they slow, or they
used the R word.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, yeah, we don't now I know, but I said it. Yeah,
I mean, see this is what I mean. Okay, because
you changed a word, don't mean it's different. You get
enough pressure put on your you know, things change, you know.
But I figured I feel this is one of the
most inconsistent countries in the world. The United States is inconsistent.

(10:20):
Well though, just you know, and I'm not trying to
jump on you know all this, but why is a
young black guy that may commit a crime at seventeen
is called a man, but a young white guy at
eighteen is still called a teenager?

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Right? I don't get that.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I don't get that, and I will never get it,
and I won't be quiet about it.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Okay'bout Rodney. At what point in time, early in your
career you say, you know what, I will add him.
I'm will add him to the show.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Rodney has always been a part of the show from
day one, because I've been I've been a big kid
from day one.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
My eyesight and.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
My visualization of what I've seen in life has always
been about expression. Okay, you have to realize when you're
a person that is a loaner, what do you have
to do?

Speaker 1 (11:19):
You have to entertain yourself.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
When you entertain yourself, you see things that other people
don't see. Correct, You mimic things that other people just
don't think about mimicking. When I got my first Hot
World track, we used to get taught with a Hot
World track. Correct, that was an orange extension code.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Cars could go right, I could go yeah, And then
you say that to somebody, now hot will try hot?

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, Well look it up weed research. You know, the world.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Revolves so much and there's so much information for us
to gather. So when I added Rodney into the show,
Rodney helped me.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
I didn't help him.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Okay, But what I did do is I am boldened Rodney.
I never if you ever look at my comedy, I
never target.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Anyone in my comedy. Correct.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
I don't target people because to me, that's not comedy. Right, Okay, okay,
that's not comedy. Even within the chapters of other comedians,
people used to say, oh, all he does is.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Do flips and jump around. That's my style of comedy. Right.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
You sit down on microphone, you just talk. You've given
your information. I'm giving my information. And if they are
laughing with my information information, where is the problem. Why
are you losing sleep over what I do? That belongs
to me?

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Right?

Speaker 2 (12:50):
My fans are in my life for a reason. I'm
very overprotective of my fans. So when I do Rodney,
I'm not the one that like want to bring up right.
My fans want me to do him right. So when
he's done, because there's so much with him. I make

(13:10):
Rodney strong.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah. People may say his handicap or challenge, but I
make him strong. People. You know how many women? You
know what I mean? Women say where your brother at?
Can I talk about that thang thing on it? Right?
But I don't care because he made me slow or
whatever you want to say. They want to see that
thank thing. Does Rodney know you're doing him in your comedy?

(13:32):
Yes he did, Yes, he did. Rodney hit me upside
the head one time.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
With a Superman lunchbell you know those they used to
make the characters absolutely in the garage. So that thing reverbed. Yeah,
he hit me. So people don't understand you mess with people,
challenge they got strong. They's real strong. Yeah, real strong.
I mean real strong. Yeah he hit me with that thing.

(14:00):
But they don't my brother. They didn't see me making
fun of them.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Okay, they see their brother who loves them talking about
them and including me in it. I made them.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
I strengthened who he was, not lessen like there was
We did a show what two weeks ooro. We were
some oh no, it was Buffalo, Buffalo, New York. God
came into the show, sat right up front. He had
a drifted eyeball. Oh lord, one went that way and

(14:34):
the other one scanned the room instead of running away
from him. I walked up to him. Why he was
and this girl? I said, Yo, man, I'm just gonna
say this, and this is exactly I said. I man,
I'm gonna say that, nigga, you got me sucked up
right now because I can't see where I'm going. I'm
thinking I'm talking to you when you really over him.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
So he had an eye that skin, but yes, but
he laughed at himself because I did not diminish him right,
and I had other people. I say, you and you
right across from me, are you? Are you okay? I
added him in the show to me, not to make
fun of him, but to say, okay, you got a

(15:15):
straight eye and one that's scanning. It's okay, right, But
I'm gonna talk about it.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
But as yours, you owned it, because if you didn't
own it, you'd add on some shades. I wouldn't have
seen it, right, But I seen that eye, and I
and I and I told him and I said and
I think you did it on purpose because there's some
fine women here and I think you slick look at
straight ahead, say oh girl, don't know that you ain't
doing nothing but that other eye.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Thank you slick, but I got you. Do you think
you mentioned, like, okay, the gentleman that that that had
the eye issue? Do you think because obviously he knows it,
this is not he that was not the first time
he had heard it, But do you better heard it
in a different manner? Right? But do you think because
he owned his fraility that therefore someone couldn't make him
feel insecure about it? It is that how you said that?

(16:01):
One more time? I say, do you think because he
had heard that before for such a long time that
he owned it, that therefore you couldn't make him feel
insecure about that? No, I don't think that.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
I do think he owned it, but I don't think
that he didn't think that I couldn't make him feel insecure.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
I'm dangerous.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I can make you feel insecure, right, But that's not
what was the purpose of that. It's never the purpose
of that. I don't choose to do that. I'm not
those one of those ones you want to get in
the dozens with right, I bring up your mama.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
I don't care. I bring people out of the grave.
I don't care. Don't play that won't get that. I
thought you said you didn't do mama. I said, I
what did I just say? Did you listen? No? Yes,
we're talking about it earlier. You say you do dad,
but you don't do mom. What I said, I could
bring up the mama or people from the grave, but
I choose not to either one to don't. I choose

(16:52):
not to do that.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
And then the mamas. I'm not into talking about people's mamas.
That's your birthplace. That's where you came out of right,
That's that's the woman that looked at you and said
you're my child. D dad across the way somewhere even
McDonald berger or something.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
I don't know, but man, please okay you mentioned okay,
you got a brother that's challenged. Do other people that
come to maybe come to your show that might be
challenged have they ever said are there? Never? Wow? Five
or six times, if not more.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
I've had a group of challenge people that were brought
in to come and see my show.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Wow. I had a lady out there doing sign language
at my show. Wow, yeah, sign What if she wasn't
saying what you were saying though, Well, this high tested it.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
I'm glad you said it. That's my proof right there.
I said, you say what I say, and you better
be doing the right. So I'm gonna yeah, baby, put
it in.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
She was I said, no, put it in, baby, stick
it in there. She started going like that. I said, yeah,
you're doing it right, you're doing it right, You're doing
it right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
So I just because there are some that don't like
that one that with in Africa give a sign yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I don't be doing today, then you'll be up. They
don't be doing nothing. Then you then like their managers
still still set. He left the car in the parking lot.
We're talking about nuclear mama. Yeah so yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
So I I never, I never that I know of,
received any bad audience from anybody that's challenge because I don't.
I embraced them. I don't mock them. I don't try
to hurt anybody that I don't. I don't believe in
that because you, like I said, I my fun my

(19:00):
family is.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Very dysfunctional, right, very I don't even look like anybody
in my family i's still today, still today, and you
know it gets to me.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
He told me, don't cry because I'll get my feelings.
But I remember when my when my grandmother.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Passed, I was a flight attendant and I was in
my flight attendant unit orm uniform, and I had to go,
who the hell you work for? Who let you be
a flight attendant?

Speaker 2 (19:28):
I flew for for Continental Airlines for seven years. Bro
might explain why I handled my business. I handled my
business because.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
The plane go down, you're the first one off. You're
supposed to be the last. I ain't gonna be the last.
You a flight attendant.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Show me in the rule, but where it says erni'
day is supposed to be the last one off the planet?

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Got we had a bomb threat? One time? We did?
We had a bomb threat. We go get, we can't get.
We didn't get it. But what was I talking about?
Because you grew on my train of throw do you
say you don't look like anybody? Yeah? I don't know,
because I said my grandmother funeral.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I told my aunt before I left, because I had
to go catch your flight, I said, I said, Aunt,
till I'm getting ready to talk to dad before I
leave out of here stuff?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Were you dressed to your flight at Dinny? I was gues.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
I had to go straight through the airport. You didn't
want to, okay, I had to go straight to the
air way straight. And my aunt said, oh, you mean
a man that raised you?

Speaker 1 (20:20):
What? What can you amine as a grown up? You
hearing that? Yeah, for the first time, I'm like, what
that wasn't you? She goes, oh, oh, never to talk
to your mama. My world is now. You don't got
My world just got blew up. I already don't look
like nobody in the family. Then you tell me the
man that raised me. I go to my mama and

(20:44):
I said, Mama, I need to ask you a question
before I leave. Please be honest with me. I said, Mama,
is is is daddy? My real daddy? Tell you what
she did? Boy? And walked off. That's not an answer.
It wasn't answering you wanted to hear. But you got

(21:05):
to answer that. I mean, like, boy, gone with that.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
I mean, that's not an answer yay or nate, yes
or no, it's the answer.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Did you ask her again? Did you ever ask her again? No?
Because I knew she wasn't gonna answer. But did you
know deep down? Did you know? No? I didn't. That's
the problem you have to realize, even as adults, a
lot of times we don't get closure on things that
mess with us when we were a child or that

(21:38):
have been through our life and me being a loner
like I was and like I still am in somewhat,
but I have a great family, so I'm not a loner.
I have a great partner man, my wife. Do you

(21:59):
have I believe Do you have brothers and sisters? Do
if a yes or no? No, listen to what I'm
getting read. Okay, I'm listening. I do. Okay, I have
two sisters that are left and we don't speak. Why

(22:21):
life too short on it? Do you want to know
the story? You just no, Seriously, I want to know
the story. I think I think the audience want to
will to know the story. Okay, and people get shocked
because there's a lot more people like me. Before you go,
how long were the last time you spoke? Almost four

(22:42):
years ago? Three to four years? Oh one, been about
eight years, three one, it's been about four years. It's
four years now, okay, maybe even five. Okay, you want
to discuss what caused this falling out.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
One of my sisters is is kind of always been
there way, she had maybe some of the little mental
issues going on, and we just.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Weren't close even as growing up as yet, we just weren't.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
We weren't close. And one time that she called me
one day kind of out the blue, stating that she
was getting ready to get you know, put out, and
I'm her brother, Are you calling me? So I fled
all the way to Kansas City, Missouri to help her.

(23:31):
I get there, I call her, no answer, texting her
no reply.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Let me get this straight up, sick. Your sister call you.
She's about to get evicted, put out, whatever the case
may be, from her home because of supposedly why they
were doing it was the wrong reason. So I wanted
to talk to.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
I had my team because we were going to talk
for the landlord. Yeah yeah, And I kept texting her.
I done, flew from Atlanta to go Kansas City. You
ain't answer the phone.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Did you tell her you were coming? Yes? Okay, so
know she knows you're coming. Text her where are you at?
I'm here? No answer. I stayed through the whole weekend.
Monday morning.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
I get home Monday afternoon, I get a text. Still
today I saw her name and that she had text me,
and then I saw this is all I saw. I
didn't when I said I didn't know as far as

(24:42):
I read.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
So to this day, you still haven't read the rant
of the text. You want to know the truth? Yeah,
and please, my aunis forgive me. I don't give a.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Because you took my heart and you stomped on it.
How many times you're gonna stomp on my heart? I'm
there to help you. You had me fly there.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
And and and please forgive me? Even even even even
Rod tells me, man, don't you think, well, you know,
maybe you should just try to talk. Why would I
try to talk and you haven't reached out.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
You haven't reached out but that one text when I
got back, and you have not reached out to me.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Do you think she was embarrassed because she's having to
call to her brother and asked for a sisters? Do
you think there was a level of embarrassment? Do you
think you wasn't that You wasn't that embarrassed when you
asked me to help you. You wasn't embarrassed when I
told you I'm getting on a plane. You wasn't that
embarrassed and said, Okay, I'll be here, just call me
when you get in. You wasn't embarrassed, then we're bloodlined.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah, you can't be embarrassed now when you ask, when
you're asking a person for help, that person has reciprocated.
They say, I'm going to help you, but you know
where to be found. Where's the embarrassment? And I don't
even know why she didn't? And like I stated, she
may ask some mental issues going on, she's always been

(26:24):
that way. But you took me away from my family
to come and help you, and you didn't reciprocate to
me when I got there. You let me, You let
me stand out there when my ass opened out there
by myself looking for you. Do you think did it

(26:44):
ever occur to you she might have had an episode? No,
because that's not how it started. That's not how that
text even started. I didn't know, meaning I didn't know
you were coming. In the actuality, we had talked and
I told you I'm getting on the plane. I told
you I'm coming to help. Not only did talk, we

(27:05):
talked for three days before I came out there. And
that's not even the worst. The worst is the sister
now the youngest.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Are you the oldest? I'm the oldest. Okay, my sister
is the youngest. Now my brother died, Okay, we'd Rodney, No,
that was man. Are you the oldest in the family. Yes, okay,
you're the oldest. Okay. He died by himself, meaning he

(27:38):
died alone. One my other brother before him died alone
by himself hotel room. He was even burger king four

(28:07):
times a day. They said his arteries were so clogged
could barely see the bin rights. That's all he ate.
So when I say I come from a dysfunctional family,
I come from a very dysfunctional family. Were you guys
when you were growing up, when you were seven, ten, twelve, fifteen.

(28:32):
I had to take care of him. Oh do you
believe that view you as a father, father figure as
instead of a brother. I think that viewed me as
when I started becoming who I was, then I was
supposed to take care of everything. So they do.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
My sister the youngest. When my brother died, we were
gonna cremate him because he had been in the hotel
room for so long and never checked on her. So
I was saying, okay, and she just kept directing, directing.

(29:11):
I said, wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
this is how we need to do it. She kept
trying to chestise.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
I said, oh whoa, whoa, back up, back up, hold on, Charlotte, hold.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Up, I'm the oldest here. She had the people had
the more, the people that do the death certificate. She said,
there's only one depicate death certificate to be done, and
it was to go to her only.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
How does she get to make that decision, That's my point.
She thought that she was to take charge.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
So I said, okay, I'm allow you to do this
because guests who had to pay the money for the
cremation and everything.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
You see him in this room. Yeah, yeah, So it's
funny people that's going to do the least well, the
most responsible that part. You let her handle it though.
I let her handle it, okay.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
But then she tried to chastise me, and I pumped
the brakes and I said, look here, and my fans see,
they don't see this side of me. This is what
I hold inside. That's why my fans are so important
to me. I get to release and make them laugh.
When I see them laugh, it turns me on. It

(30:39):
makes me feel better who I am because they are
that important to me. That's why I'm this long standing
in this business. Right now, my special air and I'm
gonna get back to this. My special aired eighteen days
ago now nineteen days something. On the fifth day of

(30:59):
us especially, I went to straight to YouTube that Netflix
turned down.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
You think I was gonna crowd with that. I had
already done one on that fit, but you think I
was gonna crown that.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Now I have full ownership at YouTube the fifth day,
and look and see how many people has done this.
The fifth day, I was at a million views in
five days at eighteen were not one point five something
in eighteen days.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Wow on YouTube? And you own it. By the way,
it's called Ernest j not gonna stop anyway, So I
own that.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Thank you Netflix. They're a great company. They're doing what
they're doing. But maybe my type of comedy way I
do it wasn't for them.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
At that time. Who knows, you might come back. But
here's the thing with that, I do comedy for the people.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
There's a whole bunch of audience for my type of
comedy because I'm that clown. I've even had other comedians
called used to call me, tried to say I was
step and fetch it.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
I I'm a clown.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
I don't care that clown that got me a nice house,
nice nice way of life. Being that clown, Like I said,
that's my type of comedy.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
But my sister tried to chastise me. And this is
when it blew up. And I probably shouldn't be saying this,
but I trust you.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
I trust you people, and maybe it's something that I
need to get out, cause it's getting ready to come out, right.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I told her, I said, let me explain something to you.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
When you were in college and you had these girls
who wanted to wanted to beat your ass cause you
was messing with one of the boyfriends that played football,
who came to your rescue. It wasn't mama, It wasn't daddy.
It was your big brother. To put the word out,

(33:03):
don't touch that one. When you needed money, who gave
it to you? It wasn't your mama, It wasn't your daddy,
It was your big brother. When you had your child
by this uh this dude, you needed money, who gave

(33:32):
it to you? It wasn't your mama, it wasn't your daddy.
But you gonna try to chastise me. And this is
exactly how I said it. I didn't thank you.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
That boy's daddy's the one that laid with you, the
school teacher that you afraid to go get child support
from m But you getting mad at me because I'm
telling you what you need to do.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
The only person you're hearting is my nephew and me.
These the only two people you're hurting. You're hurting us too.
But because you I'm not gonna be with him. Then
she put it out there on social media if my
brother died, it feels like I lost.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
It feels like I'm so sad. I'm so depressed. I
lost my last brother. But you still, what did you
put yourself like with dad? I'm still Shannon. When she
said that, I said, you know what that it? So

(34:42):
let it be ridden. So let it be done. I
bet you you called me forever pick up a phone
to call you. So that means you haven't talked to
your nephew either. And I got a little video of
him that I look at all the time that I made.
I look at that video all the time. When you
talk to your wife about it, did she say arens Nope?

(35:11):
She might ride or die. Right, she know the situation
and she ain't the onely want to play with either though.
But you do realize arms that's you.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
You.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
You said earlier in the conversation that that's blood. So
what are you supposed to do with blood? When blood
through the blood?

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, you know, sometimes and and and all all family
members ain't meant to be family. Sometimes the only thing
the only family is the bloodline. Because you have nothing.
This gout in my right. Yeah my rod manager, Roderick,
that's your left. But okay, oh yeah, well because I
guess because I use my Then I tell you how
smart it was. Don't know how to be don't know

(35:56):
how to be stupid? For a minute, well actually he does.
There you go, there, you go, there you I just say,
I'm just saying my mouth hit the floor and I
feel real. It's time, is what we I'm just saying.
Can I say this one thing that we early the conversation,

(36:18):
whoever the conversation we got to get like another. I
just it was gonna be quick. But okay, but you
was about to say, your role manager is more family
than my family family.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
If I call him, he coming not because I pay
him because his heart's coming. His heart is in that car,
not his pocket pockets in that car. I'm gonna feel
you out. I'm a see for what you are. Then
I'll handle it accordingly. Accordingly. I don't have a lot

(36:57):
of people around me. Some of my best friends mainly
all fish, fish fish, love of fish.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
My fans I give. I don't care if it's one
personality of this ten thousand. I give everything that I
got when I'm on that stage, everything I got, and
I've been doing that for thirty four thirty five years.
I refuse, refuse to let negativity win with me. I

(37:32):
was about to ask you, if you strike me as
a person, that I will not let whatever is going
along in my life personally affect impact what I have
to do profession When they told me my mama past,
guess what I was doing, I guess, take a while,
guess fishing. Nope, on the stage.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
I was about to walk out on stage and I
got grabbed. Wait wait, wait, take this call. I'm getting
ready to go out.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
They call my name. Sheik this call on as Mama's gone.
She didn't make it. Did a part of you like damn?
I get the best show I ever gave and in
my life because that's what your mom would have wanted
you to do, or you felt you was obligated. I

(38:20):
had energy you needed that, or that I needed that.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
If I didn't have that, I would have broken apart.
When they told me my brother died. Guess where I
was on the air during the interview talking about molesting
that had happened to me, and I was getting a

(38:48):
lender to somebody else. My mama called me and told.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Me my brother died. I crawled on my knees back
in the studio on my knees and got back on
that Michael phone. But when my mother died, that show
I had ever given in my life, I couldn't have
done nothing that would ever succeed that mm soon as

(39:15):
I got off the stage and she was in Orlando,
c oh, she was in Cassemi, I was in Miami.
I jumped in a car.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
I swear to god, I must have been hidding about
a hundred and ten all the way to Cassembie. Then
I said to myself later on why she gone?

Speaker 1 (39:35):
You know, why? No? Why? Because that phone call did
not go out on that stage, But the energy from
that phone call, the grief I grieved. After I got
off that stage and wanted to get to her, is
that if I could save her? She was gone, Yeah,

(40:02):
my mom at one point hurt me at one time,
she said, cause I used to wonder, why do you
seem to treat the other kids differently than me? You
know what she told me? What she told you, cause
I don't worry about you. I know you're gonna make it.
They need me. I think older kids get that a lot.

(40:26):
She said, I'm not worried about you. I I wanna
have to worry about you, But your brother and sisters,
those are the ones I gotta worry about. Made sense,
It made sense. But as a k I don't know
how old when you ask her this, or how old
you was when she told you this, But at the time,
you just wanted your mom to was like, no, that's

(40:48):
not the truth. Cause I love all y'all to say it,
even though it was. It was because you were raised
by your grandma. I absolutely was. And and I'm gonna
say this. People sometimes that are raised men, I'm gonna
say men, Yes, because I'm a man, You're a man. Correct.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Men that are sometimes raised by a grandmother sometimes suffer
trauma from the other side of the family that affects
him as they get older, and I think that kind
of happened be infested. Yeah, you have to you have

(41:30):
to adjust. And like I said, I'm not trying to
make this a down debbie conversation, but we speaking truth.
And I don't get to do this. I don't get
to to let my friends know who I am, right,
you know, I don't you know. I beat to the
beat of my own drums.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Is that why you Is that why you're so animated,
You're so hyped, you're sweating like a Baptist minister that revival.
Is that why you're so animated, You're so engaged with
your audience because all this trauma, all this stuff is
built up in your personal life, and now I get
to be the real RNFJ out here from the ten thousand,

(42:08):
fifteen thousand people.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I think when I do that also that I think
that's part of it. Think there's a lot of part
of it, though, But I think I take on this
armor and I even tell my friends sometimes you.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Here, you made it here. Now I got you. MM
release everything that's going on wrong with you, let it,
let it come into me. I got it. Got you,
then i'm'a turn it around, spend it out differently.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Because like Rod and I were talking, and we were talking,
I said, well, there's a lot of people that the
comedy world where I'm at, cause I can't say nothing
about the music world cause I'm not in the music.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Work, correct, But I'm in this comedy work. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
I've been there from the very early to the now.
The comedians nowadays, are they lazy?

Speaker 1 (43:04):
I think some Internet has helped them be lazy. I
get that.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
When we used to do comedy, you had to grab
jay grind to get three to five minutes.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
I never That's why I know God has me in
different light, in a different way. I never.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Featured one time, meaning I featured one time in a club,
comedy club which is in Mobile, Alabama. I featured one time.
After that, I said, I'm not featuring for nobody else.
I'm the one that got myself into the clubs. A

(43:53):
lot of these cats nowadays, they can't really get themselves
in the club.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
They need agents and management or whatever. I got myself
into a club, then I got management. This is a
cutthrow business. A lot of these comedians that are out
here and it's sad.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
There's a lot of great comedians, but unfortunately somebody asked
me to do comedians one of other comedians that fell.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Hell, yes they do. I'm glad you brought that up,
because you know I had cat on here I do
and a lot of that thing. The world know you
had him on that. But Jay people got mad at
me because they said I shouldn't allow him. I was like, wait, wait,
you shouldn't allow him to do what I shouldn't allow
him to say what he said about those comedians.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Why.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
I was like, y'all make it seem like I knew
what he was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Can we be honest? Yes, that was the best thing
that you did. It was monetarily also yes, So was
there a moral involved in that? I don't know, because
I don't really know your life that right. What anybody
else might have done that same thing? Hell yeah, they

(45:05):
would have.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
So you a lot of people, and I believe a
lot of people that was in the space that I
do do podcasting. I believe they got upset with me
because he didn't say what he said on their podcast.
He said it on mind and I got the benefit
from it. But there have been comedians that said, Oh,
he shouldn't have said that, he should have checked them.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
I was like, bro, how do I and who are
those comedians that said I don't want to No, no, no,
I'm not going to talk about them. But the reason
I asked you that because then I can give you
a revelation to that.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
But I know because I think a lot of the
comedians were close to the comedians that he was talking about.
There lies in the problem.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
There lies in the problem of I know Kat, I
know Kevin, I know Mike. Steve said, I know all
of them, but when they beef with each.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Other, I know all them. I love this man here,
I love that man there, But I also know you
are what he said you are. You do what you
said he did. That's y'all's beef. That's not for me
to get involved. Do I want y'all to do it? No?
I do not. I do not want you to do it.

(46:26):
It's how you handle the diversity that's put upon you.
If you're gonna do what you're gonna do, You're gonna
do what you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Do, correct, but always expect something to come back, something
to come back. If you can expect it, then you
can sleep but if you get in shock mode, say
I can't believe this happened, you ain't gonna have no
good nicely.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
You ain't gonna have no good nicely. I think in
a large part because like you said, you can't speak
to the music industry because you're not in it. You
can't speak to say whatever else because you're not in it.
You're in the comedy space. So you knew a lot
of this. I don't believe the outside world knew a

(47:12):
lot of this and what Kat did because that didn't
cat peel back to cover and allow people that's not
in that comedy space to see that there's this animosity
going on. And a lot of people say, well, he
shouldn't have said that. He should have just gone to
the individual and whatever personal issue he might have had
with he should have addressed it.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
That's what they're telling me. But I'm like, bro, why
everybody always needs to talk? Yeah, everybody always needs to
say something. Everybody always needs to offer that information where
they think how it shouldn't be. If y'all don't want this,
then stop watching social media, get rid of it. But

(47:57):
you want it because there's always some interesting on it. Yeah, yeah,
he did it on yo, sure correct, it was that time.
I guess, yeah, I can't get mad at you.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
I might even have it.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
I may I may even have an opinion and say,
you know what, yeah, maybe you let him go a
bit too far. I could say that, But I can't
say that because then I wonder they said what what?

Speaker 3 (48:21):
You know?

Speaker 1 (48:21):
What? You know what? I can't saying what people do.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
I wouldn't have that's that word. I wouldn't have who
in the because I wouldn't have I know you did, right,
I know that five million went to somebody's pocket. I
know it didn't go to somebody else's pocket.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
You know what a lot of comedians, hey, what when
somebody says, oh he's funny or she's funny, but.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
They didn't mention their name. I got that too, They
didn't they didn't mention their name. You know what.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
A comedian may say, Oh he's all right, but she's
all right. That's deep animosity.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Me. I don't watch other comedians really, nah, I don't
watch them. People.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
At one time, long time, when I was gonna come in,
it mainly got a lot of la comments. You say,
oh he's still in material, God do it in front
of you, you know, and and then you have to
show them you're not the one to be played with,
right and being that, I was always kind of by myself,

(49:37):
but I walked by myself. I walked in the crowd
by myself. Somebody said, I don't man, somebody looking for
you really? So when I see them, I heard you
looking for me?

Speaker 1 (49:51):
What up? Nah? Nah?

Speaker 2 (49:54):
We were good, But it's just like it's just like
when you had, Oh, y'all, you doing something with y'all
and the brother was telling me he's gonna knock him
out of whatever the case may be. Y'all try to
demean o yall by saying he'll hurt you. But you
couldn't take Ojo's heart even though even though he may

(50:14):
think this brother might hurt me, Why no world would
he allow you to see that. Shannon, you're a big dude.
You're talking shit to me right now. You think I'm
gonna want out of this room. I'm gonna start taking
stuff off.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
What we're gonna do? They gonna take you a while
to get that off. No, No, I'm gonna leave his armor.
I might use this bitch. Did you see this rock? Oh?

Speaker 2 (50:37):
And this beautiful I think it's beautiful. Yes, was made
by brother two brothers in Atlanta, Georgia. And that thing
is called uh Rod got the name for him. He's
gonna give it to me. They made this especially for me.
I told him I had this my watch on. I said,
I want to kind of go with the watch. Had
this done in three days?

Speaker 1 (50:59):
And and what what's that? Uh?

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, John, Josh said. Josh said, seventy five. So in
case you want to he makes bracelets. Makes a change.
Good brother, yeah, chatty, but a good brother.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Yeah. You want something big to be seen? Yeah? Yeah,
because everybody got muscles, everybody got these things he got.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I know you got little niggas in there, but that's
all right everybody. So when when you saw the cat video,
talk to me, what what did you do?

Speaker 3 (51:34):
You like?

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Oh? My goodness, oh cat di lect the cat one?
In my opinion? What yes? What what did you think?
Did you? I mean, did you really know it was
like this? Arness?

Speaker 2 (51:45):
I know he lied when he said he was running
that foe too. I know he said he'd be he
can beat you. No, that's that's that's a triple lie.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Kevin Hartkat Williams and Arnaz Jay raced you doing the
show right. I think it was Cleveland. I can't remember.
You asked both of them who won you. I read Cat,
and I'm older than both of them. You out read
Cat and Kevin Hart. You don't want to mess with
that right there. You don't want to mess with that

(52:15):
cuz you don't want to mess with that. This is
slim Gym. You don't want to mess with the slim jym. See.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
You have to realize, I ran track, I played baseball,
but that was I played for But I give a lesson.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
If it was right before Jesus graduated, I still did it.
How do you know they didn't Cap cav went out
for the basketball team play a little ball. Yeah yeah,
but we're talking running. But you saw Cad, But you
saw Cat rated them jumpers. He was a leather shooter.
Rade them jumper freeze at the top of the keat
and you saw it. I got mine on film. You
saw it.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I got mine on film. I told this dude, get
it out the net before I shot it. Then I
shot one that was in there. Go why you moved
to the left up?

Speaker 1 (53:00):
It's coming down this man. One thing I ain't gonna
do is lie well since you not gonna lie when
you heard him going in on certain people that he
was talking about. What is your opinion? What like you said,
what you're not gonna do is what he should have
done or what he shouldn't have done? What was your

(53:22):
opinion on the conversation he and I was having my
my my thing.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
When I heard it, I said, okay, it's the can
is open now. But see, you have to realize with me,
I don't get involved with that. See here here's the problem.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
A lot of people have a lot of comedians and
they coming too the game real young and stuff. I
mean I was younger stuff, but I was already married
with a child. I was already doing a man's life. Okay.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
I didn't have a bunch of family that was like
like like like waynbrother, I didn't have all of that.
I have a big family like that. I had Arnest
J and who he's taken care of. My thing was
to take care, let me do my job and go home.
That I up sometimes you damn straight, I did, But
it happens.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
It's how you deal with it.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
No, I don't want no. No, I didn't click. I'm
not a clicker. I don't have time to click. I
have time to do a job and get it done.
People say, why don't you in more movies. There's a
lot of reasons why I'm not more movie. Some people
at one point, at one point said, well he can't act. Well,
I know that's a lie. Some of the best acting

(54:40):
is not acting, is being who you are. Correct, and
all this stuff doesn't happen now. Now the flowers are coming.
People call me the triple og and everything else, and
give me the respect. People Instagram and saying hey man,
I apologize for this. Back then once again, I'm not
the fire starter. If you respect me, I give you

(55:01):
the respect.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
I go to battle for you. But you try to
demean me.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
You can't demean something that God created that will not
be demeaned. You realize how many people and as well
as in your case, I want to see you not succeed. Yes,
that's why my specialist called not gonna stop. I'll probably

(55:30):
be telling jokes when I'm in my coffer.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
I don't know, I don't know. Something may happen, right,
I may turn a flip in that bad boy who knows.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
But but what I'm saying in this business shinning. There's
so many people that want other people to fail that
they might have a chance to succeed.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Did you know it was like this when you got
into business? Was it always?

Speaker 2 (55:57):
I started finding out? Yes, oh yes, especially when people
become territorial.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
These people used to think la comics were the funniest
coments in the world, that it had to go through them.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
What man, and tell you some story? Blow your mind?
Some of that stuff cat got ain't ain't shit?

Speaker 4 (56:17):
What I what you got up?

Speaker 1 (56:18):
No, it ain't rappened, but no, but I tell you what?
But hold on you and Ricky, somebody had an issue.
Y'all put it to y'all put it to bed. After
twenty years? How did y'all come to just like you
know what? Man? Come on, man, we grown, we got
grad How do you really want to ask that question?

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Well, though, how I really want to ask ask? And
how you want to ask it? Don't sugarcoat what caused
the beef?

Speaker 1 (56:44):
And then who? What idea? What it was to squash
the beef? Beef?

Speaker 2 (56:47):
After twenty years, Well, Ricky can say I caused it,
and I'm damn gonna he caused it right. It started
out of Atlanta and that's when you should have asked
Kat and d L what happened. It was he got

(57:07):
a misunderstanding. But the problem that I had was you
have the misunderstanding, like you said, come to me right.
But he went to the black social media and said
I disrespected. And here's where the problem came at in

(57:29):
the Atlanta Constitution. Here's what the problem came in at.
You didn't give me a chance to say nothing.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
You know why. I was on the Tom Joiner cruise
where we both were supposed to be. He didn't come.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
I went, I can't defend myself from on the ocean.
But they printed it anyway. But everybody know him, everybody know.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Me, so to say. And we were young.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
But still I was fine. I'm always fine. I'm only
not fine until you come in my zone and you're
coming with the wrong intentions.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
It was squashed because God says it was God said
it was time. We were on a plane. You're both
having to be on the plane. Check this out. We
were both on the plane. I sat in the wrong seat.
Look at him, won't he do it? Do it when
he want him? And he ended up having to sit
next to you. No, I sat in the wrong see yes.

(58:35):
And then Ricky ended up sitting next to you right.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Because I went to my seat and I sat down
and I didn't even know it was him, and he
turned and said, our ass. I don't know if it
was nerves or if it was because I'm about to
poke being projects.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
And you that close. We we laughed and I'm not
going to sit up here. We laughed.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
We you know, I can call him, he can call me,
but people have to real life. One thing about fans,
fans aren't stupid, they really aren't. And my fans, I
don't call fans and I apologize. My fans are fans.
That's how I feel about when I perform for them.

(59:33):
I'm performing for them. Yeah, you paid your money, but
I'm I'm I'm wish you get your money work. Whatever
happened to you at your job, I got you today.
You know you broke up with somebody. I got you today.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
I give man. Do you realize it's like a lot
of people don't see me dressed like this. People know
what I can dress. I wear certain things accordingly interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I dressed to my own be yes, a little smart ass.
I dress to the way that I feel. Yes, I
feel like a black king right now. Yeah, I feel
like a sugar booker right now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Yeah. I feel like the pimp of the Slimps right now. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
I feel like I just walked out of the sit
down to the sixties right now. Yeah, I feel that.
I feel that. I feel that. I mean, everybody can't
wear golf gear and look like that everybody can't well, oh,

(01:00:44):
golf gear. I bet I bet you ain't got one
pair of loose underwear. I bet you all. I'm tight. Yeah,
I'm still I'm still fairly young. I don't wear I
wear box with the bed, but you know I don't
wear boxes out in the streets neither. I wear tights.
Yeah yeah, see, yeah, you allder than me. Yeah, but
that's okay, that's okay. I still beat your arm Russell,

(01:01:05):
though that happened. Yeah, I could let me ask you
a question.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Joke telling. Let's go with jokes stealing first. Okay, where
are you on jokes stealing? Because look, I've had a
lot of comple like I said, you know, I've had
a lot of comedians over here, and some says, okay,
it's not is that your only joke is that the
last joke you're gonna ever tell If it's not, it
shouldn't be that big of a deal. Some say, no,
hell to the now, you ain't been to steal it

(01:01:35):
and try to rearrange and make it this and say
that when you know the premise of that joke, it's mine.
So what are you asking me? I'm asking you where
on you on this joke steal? I'm very agitated about
joke stealing. Watch this. I know know you ain't putting

(01:01:55):
the camera roder? How do I feel about joke stealing?
You are? You are dead set against it? I took
somebody out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
I took somebody off my crew who I love because
they did a joke that somebody did and they couldn't
understand what.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Was the problem. I said, I tell you what, You
going to sit about a month, You come back, you
keep looking at it, you shit about a month, then
you come.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Back to me, tell me what's going on. It is
a must that you be original. It's as original as
you can be. I'm not saying people don't sometimes have
a concept. Yeah, because I mean because black people have
every everybody black know about kool aid.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Kool aid.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yeah, you only saying, but it's how you do it.
You know when that you know when it belongs to
somebody else.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
You do you know when it belongs to somebody whose
No matter how all the excuse you you try to make,
you know when it belongs to somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
But yeah, you want to go, you think because you
get a laugh for it. You don't look. The first
thing I hate when a comedian says I've ripped it.
I've never said that. I've never said that. I never
said I ripped it. I never said I told a house.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I look at a comedy as a war. Sometime, I
want you to be good. If I go behind you,
I'm coming with everything I got. If I go in
front of you, stand by and be ready. So it
doesn't really matter what you go in the show.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
It does not because a lot of people say, well, Jay,
you should have closed the show. That ain't That ain't
for you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
That's not for me to decide. What decides that is
my contract. I go where I think the money is
right for me. If you want me to close, I
don't have a problem with that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
But you are going to pay me to be in
that position because there's a lot that comes along with that. Okay,
I see everybody's not a closer. I don't care how
much television you got. These streets is war out here.
When you can step on that stage, that's war. Oh,

(01:04:09):
you lead that telligence, that television behind. I hope you
ain't got in a car with you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Lead that television behind, because you know why you're leaving behind, because.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
That's what they say on TV. Now they're getting ready
to see you live what you're gonna do. It's a
big difference between performing in front of that tube at
in front of them ten thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
It's a big difference to perform in front of your
family on the porch than it is when you're getting
paid for it to do it professionally. Everybody's in the
comedy game. Shouldn't be in a comedy game. Wow, everybody's
in the comedy game. Should not be in a comedy game.
Do your due diligence, serve yourself sweat. And I'm not

(01:04:54):
saying any particular person.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I'm saying what it is. But when a comedian says
to me, I ripped it, I just really okay. Because
you've been at this thing thirty four thirty five years,
you've seen the evolution of joke telling I have There
are jokes that you could tell in nineteen ninety, nineteen

(01:05:18):
ninety five, in two thousand, you can't do nothing. You
better not touching twenty. But here's the thing. What's that?
That's where the word relevance come? Man? Can you be relevant?
Why do you think people won't let go of Rodney?

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Why do you think they won't let me allow him
to rest in peace? Because he's evolution no matter if
it's back then of it now. They don't care about
what you're talking about. They just care about that it's
Rodney right when you do like I said, I don't

(01:05:52):
target people. I don't talk about a person's demise. If
you are going to talk about murder debt, I don't
talk about that. But if you're gonna do it, make
sure you're ready for the response you're gonna get. Make
sure you ready to do that like it's supposed to
be told. Because you can make death funny, but don't
go in there just because you don't seen it you

(01:06:14):
automatically think, oh, this is what I'm gonna say, right,
because it don't work that way.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
It don't work that way. How have Arna's j had
to evolve because, like you said, there are some jokes
that you could tell back then that you wouldn't say
it that you brought the house down or you ripped it.
So how have you had to evolve knowing that you know,
you know joke even gay jokes. You like you made
fun of gay manner rhythms. Not sure? Do you know why? Why?

(01:06:45):
Because that's around me. I grew up with it. I'm
allowed to talk about people that are challenged. I grew
up around it. It's in my family. It gives me
the right right and my intimate personal knowledge about it,
because you, like you said, you grew up around it.
I grew around I saw it, my uncle, my uncle. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Let me tell you something. I went back home one time, Florida.
One of my cousins. I walked the living room. I
asked my uncle find, I said.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Uncle fine, I said, who? Who? Who's that girl in there?

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
He just walked us a butt anger and and that's
your cousin. I said, who, that's your cousin. I said, Oh,
what son you think I got?

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
That would be your cousin. I looked back a I said,
he completely transgendered. Oak hmm. Think I wasn't gonna get
it first, chair gonna get it, But I had to
be around him to get it right. See, I don't,
I don't. I gotta be around it. So you don't

(01:07:47):
make jokes about things that you have that you don't
have an intimate a personal knowledge. Because I had Quake
and had Bruce Bruce, two of my favorites. I saw
them and I got to get to one of your shows.
They said their job is to take real life events
and make him funny. You being around that situation, you
been around Rodney, You being around your cousin, your uncle Charlie,

(01:08:11):
You around that, You saw that, you picked up on that.
That's years and years. Everybody has a uncle Charlie. Everybody's
black anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Yeah, even somebody white may have an uncle child right
always in Africa they where.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
That pans high. Yeah on purpose. So when you when
you made the joke about your cousin, did he know
you joking about him? Has he ever said anything about
come on brother, let that go? He said, none of me.
M hm.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
He's the one I talk about when he when he
says something, always points to the left every time, never
goes to the right. Hmmm, and looks you're dead in
your face. You could be at the table eating what
you what you say?

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
African?

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
A lot of Africans love me and I love them,
but they're funny, right. African dudes lie all the time.
I'm not saying all of it, but they're like, that
was something about what they got. But you at tsa work?

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
What did I say? So one? I have a dude,
tell me.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
One time Scanner went up, he was like, come for,
come for. You know it's cool, but you ain't got
to talk to me like that. No, no, no, no,
he said, buck a buckle, buckle buckle. I said, okay,
he said, come up, come up. I said, man, you
don't got to do all that. Come forward, I'm the supervisor.
I said, no, I'm not going to come forward. I

(01:09:45):
remember you. Oh he got mad about what he got mad.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
You do you ever get hate mail for doing a
joke or talking about I don't look like you said
you'd say, I don't know, you say your job, you're
not trying.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
To do the mean or I got one one email
that I know of in thirty five years, three years
ago from a family that lived in Australia.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Damn said we saw him and he wasn't who we
thought he was. Where did they think you were? I
don't know. I have now maybe they I have now
douting now down now shining. But let but other comedians.

(01:10:40):
Because you did and you had the manner hythm down
to a t, they thought you were gay?

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
What they thought I was gaving before I was a comedian,
before I was a comedian. Really, it's a funny story.
And I hope, I hope you see this. You know
I don't do names, right, comedian trying to get with
a girl that was just a good friend, right that

(01:11:05):
we knew. I know he didn't do what I think,
Yes he did. He didn't tell you, yes he did.
In the word he used our nast Jamie. That's a
friend of all here. That's why you gotta watch you.
You run your mouth too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
It's all here. He like he like, he like boys. Really,
so this is why I say God is great.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
We were doing the show, oh in Philadelphia. I think
we're at Tulane College. He just having to be on
the show. Rod was in the room. He came in
and the knock on the door.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
He like, ain't nothing like. He ain't saying ain't nothing like,
he ain't saying what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
He said, thank you Jesus. I ain't got to go
to his room. I said, Rod, I need to step
out for a minute. I need you to step out
for a minute. So I looked at him, and I
looked at him just like that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
I sat out. He was like, where you are? He said, yeah, yeah,
what's up? I said, I'll tell you what. We canna
handle this one of two ways. But it's gonna get handled.
We can talk about it like grown men, or we
can go to the street. And I said, and you
know me, you know I'm praying that you wanna go
to the street with it. So I'm a fraid man.

(01:12:25):
And he just knew, and he went what I said, what?
Who's what? I'm afraid? I like, boys, Oh man, I
was j you were just trying to know what I said.
I'd been nothing but nice to you and your son
ever mm But I tell you what, though, you needed

(01:12:48):
to say that to a woman about another man, so
you could think that was gonna get you somewhere or
you just being hateful. I said, that's what little do
are you? I said, I think so? Damn don't like that?

(01:13:10):
I said, I think, So, what do you say? Cry.
I didn't say that, you did he cried on there.
I'm just saying he apologized. He you want to do
like Hollow Knights. I want everything you took here to
night and everything you took it all week. That's funny.

(01:13:32):
That's funny to me. No, he not wanted to do
nothing liberty. So he's wearing tennis shoes. So let ask
your question after that point, did he ever say anything else? Here?
Y'all cool?

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
No, we're not, because I mean we're cool, right, But
I got the feeling he wasn't sincere that in the
moment when the walls wearing on it, because I'm like why,
And I even asked, why would you do something like that?

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
What inspires you to do that? Brouh It's hard enough
out here, but we banging on each other now a
boy a brawl too, Yeah, and about a about a
woman that you want to get with that you li
had happened though it, jay I, in my life ain't
never dogged another man to get out of a woman.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Nope, Nope, it ain't. Yeah, nope, I'm typing of a dude.
Back in the day, a woman looked at me like outside,
I was like I'm side.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
I took it. My mama told my house Q too.
Don't know tell you no, she did, just like my cousin. No,
I don't. I don't believe in that. I don't believe
in that. That is a cold Yes, where it used
to be fact used to be. It used to be

(01:14:59):
used to be because and why did it change? When
did it change? Why is it changing? I have no idea.
Because even if even if a guy had a girl
and they're not together, and she come ask me, I
know you knew what I know. Oh, I know you
knew he had such and such. I don't know nothing.

(01:15:20):
First of all, bet, no female ever walk up a
man like that. Yeah, but they because they want you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Because first of all, if that's my friend, that's my friend,
don't walk up on me and ask me something crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Damn it. They already know. Don't ask me. I had homework, homework. Say,
I ain't gonna. I ain't gonna even ask you, because
I already know you're gonna lie. I met him, I
met you through him, my Lord Tills aught to him. Yeah. Never,
I'm never gonne. I've never said anything. I say never,

(01:15:52):
and I hate saying never all or every got you.
I got you, but you not finna get me to
talk bad about somebody else just so I can get
in a favorable position with someone else. That ain't how
it work. Oh, I wish you had more time on
there listen boys, Oh but see young Young's I could

(01:16:15):
they doing that now? Though they'll do that. This concludes
the first half of my conversation. Part two is also
posted and you can access it to whichever podcast platform
you just listen to part one on. Just simply go
back to Club Shashay profile and I'll see you there.