Club Shay Shay - Bow Wow Part 2

In Part 2, Bow Wow opens up about the other side of fame—the pressures of growing up in the public eye, his childhood crushes Tyra Banks and Hilary Banks, and how an internet joke turned into hosting 106 & Park. He talks about his time signed to Cash Money, working with Lil Wayne, Diddy, and collaborating with heavyweights like T.I., Chris Brown, and R. Kelly.

He reflects on the moment Drake gave him his flowers, and lessons learned from having his relationships in the spotlight—from dating Jada Pinkett-Smith’s niece, Jade Pinkett, to performing “Like You” with his ex Ciara. Bow gets candid about giving Travis Hunter relationship advice, watching Nelly and Ashanti reunite, and hoping for Jermaine Dupri and Janet Jackson to get back together.

The conversation gets real as Bow discusses his beef with Orlando Brown, his struggles with addiction and the journey to recovery, and the joy he’s found in fatherhood. He shares what it’s like to still have a loyal fanbase allowing him to tour, perform, and connect with fans on the Millennium Tour—including what really happened when a fan jumped on stage with Trey Songz.

This is Bow Wow like you’ve never heard him—raw, reflective, and still undeniable.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for You're coming back. Part two is underway.
When you growing up?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Who is your celebrity crush? Tai twer Banks, tire Banks,
Tarry Banks will be she's all with you? She what
with thirteen years old than you m she'll be thirty
years old. It didn't matter because when my mom was

(00:26):
married my stepfather, you always had this sports He was
Sports Illustrated and she was like miss sports us. Yeah.
So when he had her calendar. I remember finding a
calendar and in they closet and I was like, this
is the first woman I saw. I said, this is
everything and that was the first woman. I laid my
eyes and I was like, I like her And it
was Tyra. It was Hillary Banks. I love some Hillary.

(00:52):
And was that really? It was that? It? That might
have been it? Really? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:55):
That was it really? Tyring in the hilly One on sixth?
In part how did you get the gig? A host
to One on six?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Apart? Got the gig? Hosted one on six? Uh? Me
and my boy uh at the time, uh, matter of fact,
not even I was in Australia. I was in Australia
and I saw that One on six was going through
changes and he looking for so I got the internet

(01:21):
playing around why a little for holes and I'm mister
one on sister part the host. Right here, I was
playing and Steven Hill called and said, Yo, sorry what
you put the internet? You serious? Because it makes sense?
I'm ready and I'm like, damn. Me and my boy
Bart packed up, went to New York and you know,

(01:42):
I am finally hosting the show that they named me
at that was It was a fun time in New York,
fun time. I learned a lot. I learned a lot
business wise. I learned a lot in New York. New
York taught me a lot. I loved that time. Those
those two and a half years that I spent was
well worth it. I would do it again. For your
third album, you left so SO and JD to do

(02:03):
your third album. Correct, Why did you feel you needed
to leave JD to do your third album? I never
wanted to leave. I didn't. That was the moment where
my heart got broke for the first time in music.
Somebody who I consider a father figured to meet somebody
I love. It's not even about the music. It's family.
It's blood to meat, right, And he couldn't work with
me because of contractual reasons. He ended up leaving Columbia.

(02:25):
He went to Arista, and me, being a kid, not
knowing how the business works, I'm like, well, why wouldn't
you take the biggest artist you have. It wasn't that
he didn't want to take me. He couldn't. And that's
when I realized, Wow, contractually I never was signed and
so so death. I was signed to Columbia. But this
whole time, I'm screaming so so deaf in my record,
so so deaf this I got it tatted on me.
It's still so death for life. You don't need no

(02:46):
contract on that. It's eight. But during that time, I
didn't understand that's why he couldn't take me the Arista.
It's like, damn, bow you in the contract. Technically I
was your producer and because of what's going on with me,
and it's gonna be hard for me to grab you
again and and and and and work with you. So
I'm watching your main build social depth to a whole

(03:09):
other level. Now he's having a new artist that duh.
It made me start being envying him. I started not
liking JD. I felt I started to spising him and
I was just like that, ain't that, ain't loyal, But
it was business and I didn't understand. I took it personal.
And you right know they always had never mixed the
two together. And that's why. And you know, once I

(03:30):
got with Tia, that's when Ti I came in my
life and he became like big bro, came and put
his arm around me, showed me how to write. He
was He helped me out a lot tremendously from an
artist's standpoint, so which I needed that. But you ended up.
You returned to j D l A all start weekend.

(03:58):
I called him. I said, enough's enough. Where you at?
What You're like? Who is?

Speaker 3 (04:02):
You know?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
It is? Where you at? We gotta talk. You're like,
I'm in Malleble. I'm cool. I'm about to pull up
you and Jenning House right now, like all right, alrd
you know I'm on the pch. I'm on the way,
pull up, go on the crib. First time. I think
Jamain probably see me cry cry to him. I said,
I quit. He's like what I said, I quit. I
don't want to do this no more. I don't want
to do music. I quit. I think I'm about to

(04:24):
just be an actor because if I can't work with you.
Then I don't want to do this no more. And
then I said, it don't feel right like I want
to work with you. I don't want to work with
nobody else. It's cool. I went gold. So seventy thousand records.
Something's missing. And when you had to hit this is
me talking to JAMN. This new social depth thing, you

(04:47):
kicking weak. None of this ain't going nowhere, Like while
are you wasting time? And you got your guy right here?
You're gonna just leave me over there like that he
saw the tears, he said, all right, woke his ass up.
They come, let me hold you. Number one, It come

(05:09):
like you. It's her number one, fresh as our man,
boom short like mine, Chris Brown, number one boom. That
talk we had in that kitchen at their house at
the time, it ignoted a fire in JD and my
man came back with a vengeance. Then you look on
the chart, Mariah number one like you, number two, Mariah three,
bow out four, Jermaine at the top. Top five is

(05:32):
all JD, Me and Mariah folk songs, Me and Riight.
They his records. So just like how earlier on talking
about Jermaine, know how to get his artists. I know
how to get to j D. Right. I know exactly
what to do, what to say to bring it out
my dog, and it't work every time.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
If I'm not mistaken, I think whole ghost wrote for you.
Where are you on ghost writing? Because a lot of
people have different thoughts on ghost writing.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, I wouish Jay did write from me, so I
can say that I wish he did. He never did.
I wish he did ragging rights, But where are you
on this about ghost writing? To me, honestly, it don't matter.
I think the fans don't care. Once it's produced and
it's out, people gonna take it and make it how
they make it.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
But people only feel a certain type of way of
ghost writing for mcs.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Correct, m Taking don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
People goes rite for Beyonce all the time, Mariah dream yep, Michael.
People nobody had a problem with It's only with ms.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah. Why, I think because it's just the competitive nature.
I think that's just what the I think the forefathers
of hip hop they laid that down. There was no
thing as a songwriter for a rapper. Right, you come
from the hood, You're telling your story. Who knows your
story better than you. Why aren't you speaking it? Why
aren't you jotting it down? You know what I mean?
So for me, I had to learn how to write.
And a lot of rappers don't know how to write.

(06:48):
They can wrap their ass off, but they don't even
know how to put it, format it into a record.
It's tough. The hook can be twelve bars. Some people
don't even not account bars. They don't not account them.
And it's the simplest thing in the world. And I know,
for me, it bothered me because I come from that cloth.
I come from that era. I come from hip hop
and Jermaine I didn't know if he didn't let me
write because he didn't trust me. But I think I

(07:10):
was too young and he knew exactly what I needed
to say. And as I watched him and cats like
t I wright, it made me a better writer, and
it turned me into a beast with my own pan.
So now I don't need nobody in the studio with me.
Now I might call on some cats for if I'm
in the booth, I might say, with y'all hear, like

(07:33):
y'all hearing anything like with y'all hearing, y'all what y'all
feeling and they might say something, Okay, I'm going there
with it. Then all right, bet give me a god,
I'm ready. I'm locked. But I think everybody has a
little help in the studio. Everybody has studio. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
You signed with Cash Money with Lil Wayne, Nikki Drake Birdman.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
How did that come about? When I left Columbia because
of what I went through with them and with Dremaine
and all of that, and I felt like I really
wasn't getting the attention from the label that I wanted.
I called Stunning and I was like, Yo, I'm a
free agent, and I'm like, I don't trust the majors
like I just you know, I'm comfortable being with people

(08:15):
that I know and that I'm comfortable with. And if
it's not Jumaane, if it ain't a snoop, Me and
Stunning we always had a cool relationship. And they was
on fire, and I'm like, Yo, don't mean the fire man,
come grab me, bro. He said, you for real, Weezy,
you for real, Wizard. Yeah, I mean you're free. I said,
I'm free as a bird. Come get me. Came and

(08:36):
got me. Made that and I was comfortable there and
I had a great time being there with stunning and
being over there cash Money. I learned a lot from him.
I learned a lot from Slim, his brother, watching Wayne work.
Me and Wayne work. Ethic is like so identical when
it come to that studio. I would spend three days
straighten their no shower, no, not the same clothes getting
to it. Go drop the record off the Wayne room.

(08:57):
Wayne is one of the coldest, most of the guys.
When you need a verse, He's gonna do it right
there on the spot and walk it right back over
to your room. I loved my time at Cash Money,
had a chance to live in Miami. With Miami I
always had to crip Miami for eight years, but that
made me really like relocate, so I left Atlanta and
moved to my condo in Miami. That was you right, No,

(09:18):
South Beach was a time, but I had a lot
of fun and the energy that was coming up coming
into Miami around that time Lebron just I went there
to Bron Gos on top of that, YMC and b
we on fire, So the city was just you wanted
to soak up that energy and being in Miami at
that time, that's whe the energy was, but you never
you didn't release an album. Nope. We released two records.
I released the record with Wayne called Sweat, and I

(09:40):
released another single with t Pain. But never had a
chance to put out a full project. But we did
two joints, and I did some joints for some other artists. Yeah,
and then I did some record with some other artists too.
That was on your money, yep.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
And then you ended up side and did you signed
with Diddy for a while once you left there?

Speaker 2 (09:58):
When I left there, then song with Puff, but I
did it was more of like a management type of
thing with his guys, it was, That's what it was.
More that because I was around the time where I
was learning from him and I just needed that once again,

(10:18):
somebody that I could trust, somebody I knew who knew
the game and had my best interest. I was never
gonna sign with them, but that the management side of things.
I was gonna let them, let them rock with that.
But we didn't never really dive into it deeply. It
was just really like a thing in the air.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Really, you got a new song, if I'm not mistaken
what Chris Brown called use Me? How did you and
Chris Brown? How did that. How did that? How did
that collab come about?

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Brown? Like you playing like you out here selling out
arenas and you ain't got like what are you doing?
You gotta compete, man, You competing. I'm like, nah, I'm
just on my legacy right now, like my legacy thing.
And you know I'm doing with Kiss and Donna do.
I ain't got to drop nothing. I can just go like, yeah,
but you still you You're still young, bro, we all

(11:05):
still look good like you gotta drop, man, I don't
wear none of that. You doubt yourself. You're scared and
you need a friend like that to tell you, you
know what I mean? And I told him, I said,
all right, I remember this conversation vividly, and you know
when you're friends, you can you can admit some till friend.
I said, I need you straight up in order for
me to get my blessing. I feel like I ain't
gonna get a firing being real with you. You're my dog,

(11:26):
You're my dog. I need you. I'm coming to you
as a friend saying I need you. What you need, bro,
I need I need your blessing on the record, my man,
So you get the record. I got you, hit maker
send me the song. I did it. I said, this
is a no brainer. He says, only one person who
got to put on and you know who it is.
And you know what you're gonna have to go through.
You have to go party, you have to go play basketball,

(11:49):
go sit all that house, you have to be around
all the graffiti, stay over his house and don't leave
you know your boy. I'm like, ah, man, that's exactly
what happened. But he was a man of his word.
He cut the record right there in the crib. We
did in the studio, the same room you guys was in.
Cut your record right there and did it with no problem.
And man like, I you know, and I feel like

(12:10):
that's that's what That's what a real homeboy supposed to be.
When you need something, you're supposed to lift me up.
Gang like I'm cooking, but I'm trying to get spicy hot,
bring me up, And he did that. Is it the relationship?

Speaker 1 (12:22):
You were a teen star, he was a teen star.
Both you kind of know what it's like to be
teen stars. You both lived in that world. Is that
kind of how the relationship and why the relationship is
what it is.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, And because it's real and Brown to tell you. You know,
he's always he's always saying that it's so weird, but
he's like, man, I learned this from Bow everything else
seen me do. I got this from Bao and the
y'all don't want to stay. He was the first person
to put on me. He showed me all this and
it's true. But I'm just I'm humble, So I'll be like,
I ain't got to say it all the time, Like

(12:53):
you ain't got to say in front of everybody every time,
like that's why move like this because wast y'all it
was bout I used to have twenty girls walking around.
Go ahead, that's why I So it's like it's not
even a little brother is you know, that's just my dog.
That's my brother. You know I got his back, I
know he got mine, and you know it is a

(13:14):
lot of similarities with us, like you know and yeah,
that's my man, that's my dog.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
How similar are Breezy and Usher because both are both
can sing their ass off, both are entertainers to the
up teem I mean, but I mean I saw I
saw Usher at the MGM that shows fantastic, and I've
seen Breezy.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
As far as artists.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, the difference or you give me different similarities.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Similarities uh hard workers, both dedicated. They don't cheat the job.
They don't cheat the job at all at all. Different
Chris more of a rapper. Usher walks that R and

(14:05):
B like he is R and B. You know he's
he's he's smooth even it's not an act. You know
what I'm saying. Brown, that's my dog, Brown edgy. He
got he he more bro more of a rapper, right,
you know what I'm saying. He he lived like one. Right.
If you can ask him, he'll tell you I want
to rap with fognsink like that. That's the difference between them.

(14:26):
But all the no, just two talented guys, two goats,
and you know I w I would say, you know
it's it's like the the one A and one A
right of R and B. It's them to at the top.
I don't think it's nobody else. And you can pick
whatever your your flavor is. If it's Usher, if it's Brown,
you know what I mean. But for me, I just
feel like, you know, you know I'm wrong with the
home team.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Get give me, give me your uh top five, Give
me your top five R and B singers of all time.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Of all time, all time. They gotta be in order. Nope,
Kel's going up there? R Kelly, yes, show okay, hands
down or Kelly number two again? Damn three four and
five straight up? Damn you got km's what two? Three four?

(15:11):
If Jermaine was sitting in his couch, he would tell
you he did a list, and Bow said the same
thing to me. I said, bro, you donna put Robert,
then Kelly, then Kels, then every nickname one through five. Man,
that's it. Wow, that's it. I never heard nobody. Nah,
Like I know, I listen, there's a lot of greats
Luther and Vin, so many Marvin, I mean, it's so many.

(15:34):
But I feel like dude was. He's just such an
R and B genius. He learned and took from every
last one of the greats and just molded it all
in one, like even the the I've realized where he
got that from. I'm like, I thought he invented that.

(15:56):
Oh he got this from Bobby Won't. That's Bobby Womac Dan.
I'm like, okay, okay, he okay, It's just it's effortless,
and I'm seeing it in person when we worked on
I'm a Flirt. I mean, this man really called me
and said about right now, I'm listening to this record
and I'm trying to figure out exactly what I'm gonna

(16:17):
do with it. What you heard? Matter of fact, you
ain't even gotta tell me what you hear? And I
think I got it. I'm gonna call you back in
five minutes, give me about ten hung up. Calls back.
I'm here and he's here. I'm like, we're talking about
it's a boy. I'm like, what, it's a hit? Play

(16:38):
that clinli I'm a flirt. Soon as I say, I'm
like this now, Ronnie. I was sitting at the board
trying to come up with a hook, so I know
for about four hours. Yeah, and he just comes back
with it. I'm a flirt, so simple, so easy, doesn't overrite,

(16:58):
doesn't over sing. If you listening to his record, they're
very simple and they just it's just different. Man. But
he'd go, I got him. I don't get it all
the personal whatever that's that. We're talking artists, street studio
that mike them vocals that pin ain't nobody touching, kills nobody, nobody.
I'll stand on that he it to me. He did

(17:20):
M j R.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
And B.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
So you put you putting it in you say the
pin you putting him up there with Quincy with Stevie.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
His pin is crazy Quincy and Steven about you know?
You know R Kelly wrote for it. You know the
records he wrote, do you know who Quincy? Mike? Yes?
By the way, he wrote for Mike to Kells wrote
for Mike, you are not alone, Yes, Kels wrote, Dad, like,

(17:48):
this is nothing like this. There's no limit to the
pen like when you when there's no limit to your pin, bro,
like it may I get mad jealous sometimes because I'm
just like I wish it came that easy. I did
just just bam, like just came that fast and the
hook just comes that fast. Yeah, he's the greatest.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
How did you feel when Drake gave you a Flowers said,
if it wasn't for you, there would be no heal.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Uh weird, you know because I'm I'm I'm a humble dude,
like I'm it's it's weird, like I guess because I'm
me and I did the work, and I'm not sure

(18:40):
if you feel the same way. But when you're you
and you're doing the work. You don't really have the
time to sit and look at what everybody else sees.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
You're on the journey.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
You're on the journey. I don't I don't want to
see until i'm feed up and I can watch the
whole movie over again, right, And yeah, it was it was.
It was dope, though, it definitely was dope. And even
when he you know, even when he call me, you know,
there's so many people that Drake could have called for
Atlanta to have him walk out, but he actually DMed
me and was like, bro, I need that bow. I'll
walk out and make sure you bring them do rags

(19:10):
what you do. And I was like, all right, I
got you. And uh I remember telling my boys, you know,
uh I forgot what was doing. But we were in
the house, just sleep and I was like, man, Jerzy,
just hit me, man talkbody want me to walk him out?
And the boys up like what you gotta go get
that man. Man. He could have called t I to
a chain, could have called hit you now. We're out now,

(19:30):
homies putting on clothes, his sisters laying out out found
get your ass in a shower. We got to make
it down to stay farm and and Uh, it was
it was It was special, man. It was dope. It
was dope to have somebody who people consider the number
one guy in the game, and somebody who I consider
a homeboy a mon and you know, for him to
think of me and get my roses. Yeah, that that

(19:52):
meant that. That meant a lot to me, a lot
to me. And that's not his first time doing something
like that neither. I mean the man that stole me
birthday parties and I didn't ask for him. I had
a birthday take over you, Houston, and this man just
said switch. He switched the plans. He's like, all, y'all, oh, yeah,
it is your birthday. I'm celebrating them my one, two,
three songs one through three. I got some view you
ain't going with you think you're going, I'm about to.

(20:13):
I get there and I'm like, how do you even
get times? Throw my logo the hour up? I'm like,
why did he do this? Like, but he did that
for me, and I appreciate him for that.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Right now, you've been on a lot of public relationships.
What have you learned about dating publicly?

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Keep it off the internet? So no more public relationship
for you. I try I try my best to keep
it private. I try my best. It's better that way.
I just in a post on Instagram that said, like
it was a percent of high percentage relationship that make
it is because they keep their business off product line,
and I and I could attest to that. I definitely agree,

(20:50):
because when you're out in the public eye, it's it's
just open. You know, it's just open everybody. A girl
could d m your girl. You know, it could be
a girl that try to talk to you and you said, nah,
she mad because you distance. Now she wanted to direct
message your girl and make up a story and just
play a hate on your whole situation. I like, when
you don't know who my girl is, you can't call
my girl, you can't contact my lady. And that's how

(21:12):
I want it to be. Only y'all can contact my lady.
And I just feel like I'm not looking for validation
from nobody. And I feel like people that feel like, look,
I get it, women want to be shown off. But
we're talking about the strangers like we do even we
don't even know.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Right, Like, it's people that don't know, they that don't.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Don't need you don't need to know, and if they
say it's the public, they say it's a public, I'm
not high you. I just learned my lesson from when
I have been open. Don't nothing good come from that?
Everybody in your mix, everybody in your business. It's just
too much. I can't even lean in and ask the
bartender for a napkin. They gonna think I'm whispering. What's
your number?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Like?

Speaker 2 (21:44):
I don't. I don't need none of that. I'm cool.
I like it.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
How it is so one of your biggest songs with
your ass. How do you feel performing that song today?

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Oh? No, kind of way you don't. It's a number
one smash. I love performing like you love it? I
love it. It's that's my go to. Like if I want
to set it off, I'm going to like you for sure.
Love it. Love that record, the fans singing it word
for word every time. That's my joint. What about like

(22:13):
wilding out?

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Would they be making jokes about you dating somebody and
then somebody asks famous as you dating that same person?
Do you feel some type of way when famous people
date your axes?

Speaker 2 (22:23):
No, I'm a player. I don't got time for that.
Like once she's no longer mine she's not. You do
what you do, be happy because I'm gonna be happy. Yeah,
and I'm gonna be just fine. Are you cool?

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Are you cool with all your axes or any your excess?

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Are you cool? Cool? It's definitely cool with my daughter's
mom for sure. That's my dog Joy. Yeah, Sh'S mom.
That's my dog. I do anything for her. That's like
great mother, great friend, ride or die upmost respect, upmost respect.
But yeah, I know I'm probably none of my access.
It's a it's all love. I'm happy for all of them.

(23:03):
Some I moved on, had kids, married. I'm happy for them,
like happy. Wow, you was out there for a minute though.
You was not that bad too, I was. You're bad.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah, good times, good times they owe you nothing. I mean,
I mean, I see, Joe, you had can you dated
camp for a hot set? Angel simmers for a set?

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Well you got the.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Bad them, the famous ones we know about you learned
from your state. You keep that on the hush.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Now I'm about the port board. Now I've had I've
had a blessed life. Man, I've calmed down though since
you know I would want to think that I have.
But uh yeah, man, I mean like I said, God
put some beautiful people in my life, and I've had
a chance to come across some beautiful women. Those times
were times, And like I said, I'm I'm still a

(24:01):
supporter for for all my exes, Like I'm really truly
happy for them, for them to move on and watch them,
uh live out their dreams and things that they always
wanted to do. And it could have been the things
that I didn't I couldn't offer at that time, you
know what I mean. And I'm genuinely happy for everybody
because it seems like everybody's happy. Everybody want at the

(24:22):
end of the day. But you went probably aren't you
dating Jada pig Beast? Damn, I just knew you didn't
know about this. I was posted it.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
You good, I would know.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
That's all the same way. I'm trying to keep it
low key. I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
You can't you you can't pull up and tell about
you keep it low key.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
But I thought it was low key, like I didn't.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
What made you feel comfortable in order to do that?

Speaker 2 (24:51):
What made me feel comfortable? I want to say, before
I want to get cursed out with she watched this,
but but maybe it made me feel comfortable. I'm grown.
It's like, look, it was New Year's. I think that's
the picture of New Year's. Uh, yeah, it was. E've
been drinking too, though I was. I wasn't not yet yet.
I was on my way to my performance, so we
didn't even crack a bottle yet. But it was, Uh,

(25:14):
it was New Year's and I had to put myself
in her shoes. Like, here's the woman, it's New Year's.
She this posting stuff. I don't want to make it
an issue. She looked beautiful. I look good. It's a moment.
She feels that. So she said, I look good. And
it was a moment and it was just like wow.
And for me it was the whole essence of New Years.

(25:36):
And I'm like, you know what, I'm stepping out like
you got caught up. I got caught up. She put
me on that that SELFI the next thing, you know,
I said, I ain't gonna pose it because you got
a lot of followers. You know my page. I always
tell people my page is for my fans and it's
for work. You know what I mean. If you want
to see my girl, go to her page. Birthdays, you
might see her holidays, New year's certain things you might

(25:58):
see a five times six time got the right. But
it was just one of the moments where I was like, man,
you know what I understand. Let me put myself in
a woman's shoes. She wanted to show off, show me off.
She want to show it off. I'm gonna let her
get this off. I ain't tripping. It's all good.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
You once said that you're not gonna get married. Are
you rethinking that now.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
It's getting hot in here?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
I would go to great, nobody will go to.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Mm hmm. It's still I don't. I don't, I don't know.
I you know what I'm doing, Okay. I put his
way because me and her, we've had these talks, and
you know, she found an interview and saw me say it,
and you know, I told her like this, I'm not
against anything, but when I get to that point, or

(26:53):
if I ever do get to that point, I want
to make sure I'm right. And you know that's not
only commitment to you, but a commitment to God. And
I don't play with stuff like that. So I don't
want to talk about it. I don't want to plant it.
Let's just roll, baby, Let's just have fun. We have
a good time now and if it gets let's not
let's not ruin it. Talk about that. If we get
it up, if it get there, it gets there, you

(27:13):
know what I mean. But that's how fun. We're on
tour about to go to London. You know what I mean.
Let's just live young. W Am I talking about that? You?

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Let's stay right there, keep talking about that.
You aged me like you you yeah? Yeah. It's like
I don't want to I don't want to think too far. Yeah, baby,
did you see the new traits that came? I don't.
I'm not ready for that yet. Let's let's that's how
I want to jet and go to Terps and let's
have some fun. Let's just keep living and when we
get there, we get there. But you know, I'm reading

(27:43):
that you urged Nelly to damn, I did something you
ain't to do. I have a more fifty plus Like.
It's like, bro, I'm like thirty eight. I mean, I'm
not saying I'm a spring chicken thirty eight. I'm two
off four old, but still it ain't forty. But I'm
like mo, like you're fifty plus. Bro, It's like this, Now,

(28:07):
you good listen. Oh g you and you in the game.
You straight you good. But I'm just like you know,
I saw him during the verses. He ran across the
stage to get her. I know how much she means
to him. Nellie's another person who is family, that's Jermaine's
best friend, that is considered my big brother. He the
only person that could pull up on me and he
would want to fight me. He the only one that's

(28:29):
my people. And I just know how much that woman
means to him. And you know, I've had chances to
see mold behind the scenes and I say, movie that's
Nelly in ways that people haven't seen him. And I
just know how much that woman means to him. And
I mean, I saw my man with the band on
so he Rocky locked in, He locked in. So I'm

(28:50):
just so proud for him. Her too. You know, Ashanti
is a Millennium tour vet. She was a part of
of the brand as well. And you know, I'm happy
to see it. They have that. That's the greatest, probably
one of the greatest. Spinding spind the Block, that's what
they call spind the Block in his in history.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, well you trying to do it again because you
were urging JD to get back with Janet.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
I do want that to happen. I do want that
to happen. If he's gonna watch this probably just that
damn bot can I do want that to happen.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
You've been around so what what is uh? You know
you don't have to get too much, but what what
is I mean? You've been around her when you know,
obviously when she's Janet Jackie's he's a nicon member of
the famous Jackson family. But what are some things? I mean,
what is she like behind the scenes?

Speaker 2 (29:33):
You just s weaateest, coolest person ever. It's like the
best step mom you had?

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Real?

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Wow? What right? The best step mom you have? So sweet?
So I mean, and could be in the midst of
the guys and it's whatever. Like I remember watching Miss
Jamwaher's dishes, Like I was like, I didn't even know
the Four Seasons had a condo at the top. Oh
no they don't. Just this it's JD's in this. I'm like,

(29:59):
I didn't even know, Oh this you got the presidential
it's something else above that. I'm trying to tell you,
Like I'm watching Miss jan like wash dishes, I'm like
this is crazy, but she's so down to earth, so sweet,
droves herself, gonna pull up. If it's a taco spot,

(30:21):
she's gonna pull up, hop out, talk in, grab the top.
We're gonna hop back in the car, drop right back
to that man, miss jam Man. It was everything to
you know, a woman, you know, you know somebody special
when y'all when you when the person and the other
person break up and you mad at your at the
at your homie. That's how we all was with JD.

(30:43):
We like be like damn, not even that. He's like damn,
get it back together. Please. It was just so beautiful, bro,
and Jermaine was just such at peace. And I mean,
I'm not even gonna lie. The Jets stay ready. We
was on the PJ that you folks you five every
day to stay ready. Man. Yeah, man, but beautiful person.

(31:05):
I really do hope. I know Jermaine gonna kill me, Like, wow,
you gotta keep preaying that ship.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
I got a I got something for you. We've used
the term spend the block a lot. Yeah, you weren't
in a relationship. Who would you spend the block with?

Speaker 2 (31:17):
To go back?

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yes, spend the block? You don't spend the block.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Me, nobody you would spend the block uh uh No,
not on one person. I was a god because I
feel like them chapters is closed like we did that.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
That was those There's a reason why you they left.
You left, and we're not. We're cool. We're coold for sure,
but we're gonna stay. We're gonna keep it cool over here.
You cool over there.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yep. I've never been the type to just spand back,
keep it forward, keep over.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Do you ever get do you ever get concerned? Or
have you ever been concerned that this person is dating
me for who.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
I am and for not the person that I am? Nope,
I never once felt that. Really wow? Not never mind life?
How about felt that? Because the ones that I chose
to be my lady right, I knew they wanted to
be there. They love me, and I can tell. I
can tell by their actions. That's how you know. I
can tell. Like even my girl now you know what
I mean? I know loves me because I'm difficult. Like

(32:16):
I'm not gonna see him preach and act like I'm
just the same. I'm still working on myself. I'm still working.
I'm a I'm a work in progress. It's a show.
Especially growing up in this business and seeing what I've
seen and living in life south that I live it
it's tough, especially dating what you would call her heart thrive,
you know what I mean. It's only so many guys
in the game that have that thing to where no
matter where you at, the baddies is just there. Like

(32:38):
it's times like even on tour, like like I don't
even need no pass I ain't nobody no passt. I look,
they just there. I go on the hallway, They're just there.
It's like it's just around and you can't escape it.
It's just temptation, Timpta. And it's just so she traveled.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
So your girl now is on the road with you
when you she has she has, but she's not all the.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Time, not all the time. But when we got to Houston,
we had to have a talk. I brought that up.
I know how you feel about that. Alf When we
got to Houston, O G. I had to I had
to keep it real with her. I had to tell her,
I'm like, baby, listen, I got two parties. Well y'all
do I have two parties? And I need you to

(33:18):
meet me halfway. I'm gonna I'm gonna bring you to
the first one, have some dreams, have a good time,
show you off. But s UV gonna take you back
to the fourth seasons, right, you and my auntie right,
And I know it. I can see it on her face.
She's like, I'm still outside. I'm want to turn the witch.
I want to. I'm like, I know, but this places,

(33:38):
it's a time and the place. I don't want to
take you the area twenty nine. We gotta go to edit.
Me and Trey. Yeah, so we gotta go together. I
don't want my lady in the spot like that. It's
gonna it's a losers anyway. I'm having too much fun
in front of it. That's me being this and you
pretend like I ain't here. Yeah, and then if I'm
just here being a good boy, now everybody around me

(33:59):
like I ain't being in the self, he ain't being
back left wife your home. So it's really a lose lose.
But I had to tell her, baby, I'll meet you halfway.
We'll leave at eight in the morning, but I need Houston.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
What she said, she said, okay, reluctantly, she said okay,
she listen.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
She didn't say no word, but that bide Labor was
talking about body language. I can tell you she ain't
want to leave. She didn't. She wanted to what that Houston.
I'll be telling people it ain't Miami. Atlanta's Atlanta. My lord.
I thought I was gonna move there. I was looking
for crib.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
I swear to god, you're by social media got black
and Greg lefting.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
You was looking too, Yes, Oh no, don't do it.
Don't you do? My managers like this. After we after
after the show we out, I said, what time? Uh, well,
you ain't get out about three?

Speaker 3 (34:50):
What?

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Three am? After the after party, I meet you half
way and can we leave at eight in the morning.
The buck toy bus got even in the morning and
we off the next day. Please Yeah Houston. He gave
me eight That's all I needed. Yeah, I love He
was a shout out to the age.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Man.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
I love Houston. Oh my god, I love Houston too.
Jeez love Walls. Man. We got a whole save in
talking about Houston. We could.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
I know.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
What made you Travis Hunter's situation? Yeah, you left something
for him on What made you decided like man?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Trap? Come on, bro, I just didn't like seeing a
young brother get played or I just you know what
I'm saying. I just felt like, you know, I know,
og around him promly got the game he go, but
I just felt like nobody around and young Cat was
really giving it to him. Like I mean, look, think
about this. You on a football team. I know they

(35:42):
was giving stuff in the locker room. That's what they
gonna do, you know what I'm saying. But I just
felt like, look, man, check this out. The way Snoop
would give me game, I just felt like, my brother,
it was my call and just to reach out to
you and just give me some game. You know what
I'm saying. Just focus on the goal. Even to this day,
like my girl, no, I'll tell her like, look, I
know this might hurt you, but I got to do

(36:03):
what I got to do. It's a goal. I got
to reach that goal. It ain't gonna be pretty, but
it's gonna be times where I might hurt you along
the way, whether that be you can't come here, or
there's a reason for this, or I gotta do this
or that. It is just like that, and I just
felt like I want it bro to focus on the goal.
You're about to make the biggest back of your life.

(36:24):
You've been working on this. You know what I'm saying.
You want a chat to stay. Look how you came
and you did it in a different way, and now
you finally hear Hosman trophy man. Check this out game.
When you go pro and you get in the locker
room and you see how them pros live, all that
gonna change. I've been there. I was once the young cat,
young millions of dollars. I know how it is. I

(36:46):
came in the game the same way I got my girlfriend. Okay,
I'm gonna be with her for the rest of my life.
Did I know that it would be one hundred million
girls liking me. It's a difference when you get that
power that you start learning from your teammates, you rolling
with them. It's similar like that to me and main story.
They just laying it out for you, laying it out
for you. Go to the club. Now kick back, rook,
you ain't gotta pay week. We show you how we
do this, and you start adapting to that. So I'm like,

(37:08):
young brother, it's gonna be time for all that. But
get busy on that field. Go get your bag, secure
your bag, make sure the fans straight. The women gonna
beat here. And you know, I just didn't really like
how homegirl, just the little things that I was seeing.
I just couldn't really rock with it all, Like how
she would talk.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Did you feel you should have You could have reached
out to him in the DM, or you could have
had somebody there.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I could, I could have. It was ways I could have.
But I want him to hear me, like I just
felt like he just remind me of one of my
little homies. Like I got so many little bros that
look up to me and they come to me for
game about this, that and the third. And I just
looked at Traviy like brother, not thissing you. I'm not
coming at you. I'm just want to wake you up,
because I had to be woke up a couple of times.

(37:48):
Especially these women. These women can blind you out here.
You'll be so blind just in love and just milking
your ass, milking and milking you. And then when the
milk drive and it's powder, mag don't So I just
want him to be aware that I ain't know if
nobody was really teaching him or telling us. So it
was coming from a good place. It wasn't coming from nowhere.
Trying to be and you know, in all respect to
his lady, you know what I mean. If that's the situation,

(38:09):
that's the situation. But I like how he's doing it now.
He fell back. Yeah, he see how it's starting to
overshadow your game. You cold, and you the cold is
a dupe. You're cold. We all room for you. I'm
a fan, right, but I know how these women sometimes
because sidetracked the goal. Nah, keep that off the internet
because that's starting to overshadow the skill. Right, you're doing

(38:31):
a combine. They shouldn't be talking about what's going on
at home.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Right, Neil situation bear some NEO R and B and
he has three or four of them.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Now is that a situation?

Speaker 1 (38:41):
I mean, could condbound find himself because he's like, WELLO
my partner nightcap. He says, if you just be upfront
with him more times than not, they'll be I said, well,
I ain't never met none of them.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
I said, I.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Didn't need to know where y'all where you're going to
meeting them? That you could tell him, say you know what,
I might see Jane, I might see Sadly, I might
see Sue. But I said, I don't know. I ain't
met no, and it definitely gonna be no.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Four. They out they out there though, they're like, that's
some women that's out there that you know if you
be real with them and let them know, like, yo,
look baby, you know this is how I'm living my life.
That's how I'm thugging. This is you know what I mean.
I want one ain't enough. I'm gonna just be open
with you. If you w it with it not not,
I totally respect it. I'm not saying you gotta get
down to get down, but I'm just letting you know.
I got two of the girls. I got three girlfriends.

(39:28):
You know what I'm saying. Damn you can like that
about hell No, I can't do it. I can't do it.
I love women, don't get it tow it. I love
having my vibes. You go to my should my chest
rooms is beautiful women, It's Aviance's music is drinks. That's
as far as I can go. Having three women or
four girlfriends and they staying with me, I would lose

(39:49):
my mind. I'm too I like I like my Space.
I listen one woman in the house enough hair be
all over the place, and I can't do it with foeheads.
M hm, that's crazy. Different attitudes, different moon swings. This
one feels like, are you doing too much for this one?
You gave her that, you bought her burking, you took
her to bit Uh. I can't do it. I can't.

(40:12):
I can't maintain four girls at the same time, like
with Neil All salute to Neil Neil different. Yeah, yeah
he got patience. I ain't. I ain't with that. Yeah,
I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Kudoso, Yeah, absolutely, show kids what's it like?

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Being what? What? What is? What is bout the father?
Like fun, big kid, more of a kid than the kids.
She shy to get so mad at me. You're doing
it again, you're playing around. She was just at the
Dollar Show. She moved to Dallas, my daughter did, and
she come to the Dollar Show her friends from school,
her new friends, and you know, I said, you know,
you know, you got a cool dad. You know what

(40:46):
I mean, your friends, they gonna love you. You're gonna
go back to school. I'mnna turn y'all, y'all gonna get
the pictures Trey song, y'all gonna go back lick And
so they was doing some type of TikTok thing and
she wanted Jade to do it with her. So you
know me, I come in there, wanted to mess around
and it's no, Dad, No, you're embarrassing me style. I'm like,
all right, cool man. I realized that a father with

(41:07):
a teenage daughter, we are the ATM machine, right, And
that's it. That's it. It's the HOI Dad, I love
you so much? I love you too? How much? Yep?
And here it comes, dad, Damn. I thought I was
just I love you miss you text. I knew it
was kind of dad. Can you send me a thousand?

(41:29):
What Tenna is doing with a thousd? Now it's a
different time. Is it that I'm not good but giving
money to the kids? But it's crazy and I'm like shy.
When I was fourteen, I wasn't getting a thousand. Teama
wasn't My mama wouldn't give me no thousand dollars. A
hundred was a thousand to me. And I got to

(41:50):
seen a hundred a bill that was everything. It's like, no,
but Dad, you don't understand. Okay. First of all, I
live in La so you know everything here is expensive. Dad.
It cost me to eighty for my nelt I'm like, wait,
what are you doing? Yes, so you know what dad does,
be a dad, baby girl. You need to go to CBS,
and you need to do that yourself. You need to
you got it all the time. You should try to
do them yourself and get creative and do that and

(42:12):
you'll save to eighty. That's too eighty. So that's too
eighty off that then you know they want to go eat.
It's not just her, it's fourrible, it's five of them.
They all pitching in or sometimes like are you they
know who you is? Are you fronting the whole?

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah? Because this is ridiculous, This is ridiculous, But it
made sense for me to do that. And I'm teaching
her money management. She does so good and like she'll
call like two months and be like that I still
have like three seventy five left from that thousand you
gave me like a month and a half, agoor two months,
And I'm like, oh, that's good, right, so i don't
mind giving it to her. And then plus I'm not
on child's boy, right, so that's like my own my

(42:47):
own child sport for her. It's like, man, here go
a thousand dollars a month, for you just right. And
if your mama needs something, she can go to you
and borrow whatever the case. Your mamma get your mamma
get her own money. But and mama do it too.
She'd be like your daddy said you something, I would
pay me three hundredars real quick. I'll pay Backshine. So
it's all good.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
At one point in time, you tweeted tweeted about saying
you don't want to be here anymore, and the fan
was up. What were you going through? What was that
dark period of time in Bio's life that he felt that,
you know, this was something that he wanted to project.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Man, just going through the growing pains, you know, being
in that dark especially been in this business. This business
can get very very dark, and you know, you in
front of the public eye and you deal with so
much scrutiny, but not only that, you're dealing with self doubt.
It's really more of a self thing. Can I do
it again? Do the people love me? Am I losing

(43:38):
my fans? Did this person come and put me out
of business?

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Like?

Speaker 2 (43:42):
It's just it's so many things that was just flowing
in my head. And it was to the point to
where I felt like I accomplished and did everything so fast, right,
and you know I'm saying it like that. I done lapped
the world nine times, got my first tattoo at fifteen.
I got to look forward to that, got into the
strip club before it was one. One can't look forward
to that. I'm burnt out out and did everything. I'm

(44:03):
like every I just feel like I couldn't get no peace.
And then the most selfish thing that you can do
is think about something like that. Damn, I don't want
to be here no more. And the reason at that
at that time why I said that was because the
only thing I washarching for was peace. I wanted a room,
and I don't want to hear nothing. I just wanted peace.
And I feel like the only time, you know, I
can get peace is if I'm no longer here. That's

(44:25):
how I was thinking during that time. Nothing made me happy,
The music business wasn't making me happy, relationships failed, and
I was just completely over everything. And then I had
to snap out of it.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
How did you snap out it? Did you see therapy?
Did you talk to someone with the family, friend, loved one?
How did you snap out of it?

Speaker 2 (44:50):
God, God, my mama, my boys, my boys help me
out a lot. Really, yeah, I always, and if I
need them, I'll tell them I need y'all. He said,
come on, let's take this trip up to Houston. Oh
we do, That's what we do. I'm like, that's the therapy.
My guys, the guys. You know, my girl getting mad?
Now you spending my time with them guys, the guy

(45:12):
was better than me being with the girl.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Yah? Sure. But my guys, my boys, I mean everything
to me. Like I remember telling a girl this a
high profile celebrity. I ain't gonna say her name. She said,
you love me? I said, of course I do. I
love you. But them guys, my guys, I love them

(45:35):
just as much because if this goes to shit, them
guys gonna pick me up and they're gonna be here
and they're gonna get me back to where I gotta be.
My bros is that's that's that's why I talk to
God and my dogs and my mama, you know what
I mean. And my manager too, he played a big
partner too. I feel like I can speak to him.
I'm an open book. So but I know my boys

(45:57):
and being in my group chat, my group chat is
my therapy that's my therapy, the group chat. It will
be amazed at how the littlest things can help people,
just the littlest things, even if that's writing us down
in the morning or starting a group chat with friends.
And you know, like, we got a group chat, you know,
and it's a famous person in there who is uh

(46:19):
but what I said I'm looking is talked about a
lot in the media, right And when we put him
in the group chat with us, he was like, y'all,
don't understand. This is the greatest thing to happen to me.
I like, I get to come in here and just
say what I want. Man, get it off. I said.
It feel like you're tweeting, don't it, Except it ain't public,

(46:41):
But you're getting it off. He said. It's amazing. So
something as simple as that can change somebody's lives. You
know what I mean. And you know that's that's my
My therapy, is my group chat, my friends, God and
the close people around me. I don't need to talk
no stranger or confess to him. Don't nobody know me
better than me. My boys know me, people around me
know me. And I'm not saying anything wrong with talking

(47:02):
to a professional, but I'll tell you what it's different
when it comes to people that's been on you for years, right,
and somebody who getting paid to talk to you. I'm
gonna tell you anything. Right.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
You do realize that, you know, you said you couldn't
find peace, and you felt that that was the only
way for you to find peace. Although you would have
found peace, do you realize the people that would have
left behind would have had no peace?

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Oh? My gosh. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Why the pain that the personal individual might be feeling,
It says, I just want to readdict myself with this pain,
But think about how much pain selfish you would have
cast selfish and left selfish.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
That's why I said that when I was just splaying selfish,
it was very selfish, very selfish. And yeah, I'm glad
that that chapter's closed. That was a very very dark
point in my life.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
What's been the hardest part about growing up in the
public side for the last thirty years.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
I think that the hardest part is not being able
to live freely, everybody judging you, knowing that they're doing
this same thing. They doing the same thing, it just
ain't televised. That's the one thing I can't stand, Like,
what have I done that. Y'all like that. Y'all ain't

(48:10):
done a.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Lot of things that I'm doing. Y'all can't do because
y'all at me. But if you could, you would.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I like that, That's what I'm saying. I like that.
I like that. But yeah, that's that's it. Man. It's
just you know, it's tough man like, like I can't
do nothing. Like I just can't do that, specially with
the cell phones being out. Man, it's just hard to
lift free. Man. I can't stand it. Man, I can't.
I come home and like, my girl'll show me a vent.

(48:37):
I'm like, who did that? I don't know somebody. I'm like,
why ain't filming me? Like drinking orange juice? That's so weird?
Like while y'all doing that, like they do too much,
doing too much. That's really doing way too much.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Did you under do you understand a social media now?
Because anytime you post something, if you post anything, somebody
you got detectives on on social media, they're trying to,
like when you post about the private geta.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I was about to just get into that. I was
about to freaking up. I was where I gotto was.
That was probably I got caught. Yeah, it's simple as that.
I was fake flexing. I got caught. No, I was
down the coach. I was an adult to flight in
first class. Can't explain it enough. I didn't think nothing
of it like I did. Like I saw the picture,

(49:23):
I said, I'm about the posters because I don't want
people to know how I'm moving. And I posted it
to try to derail people like I post off all
the time and people like you there. No, I'm an
house of cous I just wanted to post it. Get
out my phone. What's it called a dump? Get out
on this particular day I posted, and I'm like cool,

(49:44):
I go to sleep down. People don't know. They think
I'm on this and I'm not on here. I'm throwing
everybody off.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Somebody asked me following somebody's on the plane when.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
We say about them phones got me posted it and
I just had it on up to it like y'all
got me. Okay, you know what I mean, rappers lie,
y'all caught me one time. I will never do this again.
It's over.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
I get because somebody posted youso. He ain't on no
private play.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
He right here there, right there, I said, asshole, why
did you do that? That's little Romeo. That ain't that
ain't mean Romeo, That ain't me. But uh, I laughed
at it. Man. You know everybody had they one two
into it. I just seen what's the comedian name, Owens? Uh,

(50:29):
Gary Owens. I was on my TikTok and his special
came up and he was talking about it, and it
stand up. But it's to show you, bro, I'm normal
and I make mistakes and I can own up to it.
And you know what I mean, Jesse. We don't been
on since then. Yeah, there we go. I had no
reason to do it, but I did it, and I

(50:49):
got caught flexing the fake.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Flex Orlando Brown when he mentioned that you guys had
a relationship. I mean, I mean, he he It's like, bro,
come on now.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yo, I ain't gonna lie. I do this hilarious. He's hilarious. Like,
but you know, people believe that if they believe that's
something wrong with them, they crazy as hell. They done
drunk two shades straight straight.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Man.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
I'm gonna be honest with you that dude. It's smarty.
Know what they're doing. He ain't no food, He ain't
no food. I send an interview when he said, uh,
people pay me. You know what I'm saying, And when
I get the bag, how a much money? As determined?
Am I gonna be crazy? Because I can be Orlando

(51:37):
and we got a capital conversation, we can talk. I
always thought he was talented and always thought he was talented. Yes,
he's had troubles. I ain't even gonna get in all that.
That's his personal business, that's his life. But outside of that,
I've always thought he was talented as hell. And I
always thought that since all of these people put him
on their platforms for clickbait, somebody to put the boy

(51:59):
on TV and give him a real job. I always
said that there is talent even though he does it
says crazy stuff. And before he started wilding on me
and saying, I'm really uh Tupac and he'd be saying
if he was here right now here saying no you really?
You really? Somebody else is you? He be like what
he will call you that the whole interview, just be

(52:19):
like what what is he own? Like? But I always
thought that, you know, people just use them. It's sad
in some ways, but I feel like the boy is talented.
His funny as hell and if given the right opportunity,
somebody really gives him something, something where he can be
himself or landa brown, I think of the pop. I'm
not gonna sit here and down to brother thisimal. You
know a lot of cats like you got to see

(52:40):
that boy like you're gonna have to all right, he
walking here, He ain't gonna say none of that shit.
He ain't about to say none of that to me
and my finger wop? What up back? Man? You know,
not be just adving around. I know how these things go.
I don't really take nothing serious as a long as
you ain't playing my money, playing my kids. I ain't
tripping tripping, man, I'm laughing. It is clown right, well

(53:00):
we laugh and stuff like that, ain't I ain't tripping
all that? No Brown like that.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
You mentioned that you lost your virginitay at fifteen? How
did that check? I mean what you were you anxious?
How did that change your perception of sexuality, women relationships?

Speaker 2 (53:16):
What did that do to you? My mama said, I'm
gonna know when you get some because you gonna walk
around the house a little deaf, you know what I mean?
That's what she telling me. But did she know, Nah,
she ain't. No, my old thing was. It was funny
like how it happened because after I lost my Virginia,
I'm thinking, I don't know if this is every young

(53:37):
man when they look jitim, I'm like, how can I
get more? Yeah? Oh yeah, exactly right, exactly what it is?
How can I get more of this? And like I do,
I ask, like, I don't even know how I get it,
you know what I mean? And that's not having a father.
I don't know. I'm out here in the wild. Oh gee,
I don't know. I'm out here like they say, oh
his nose wide though, But I don't even know how

(53:57):
to get to the panties again. I don't know that
this might take months. I don't know. But once I
cracked the cold, yeah, I was still chilling. I was cool.
It wasn't until I got around eighteen nineteen the night
life hit and the night life hit and I was
able to go out and enjoy Atlanta and enjoy these

(54:19):
these these beautiful places, and you know these places that
we enjoyed so much. It changed, you know what I mean?
It definitely changed big time.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Tattooed. You said you got your first tattoo at fifteen. Yep,
did did your mom approve of it? You got a
tattoo without.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
A knowing mom's approved. He was right there when I
did it here in Atlanta at the studio. Wow, it's
that's it too. Were trying to don't take that overboard.
I'm like this all right, ma? And then I went
crazy after that? Did you? They say it's addictive? It is.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
You don't have any I don't have any You ever
thought about it? I did, No. I thought about it
my grandmother. I wanted to get my grandmother's name. Okay,
my sister found a thing where she had wrote her
name on it, and then I thought about it.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
She hated that. She hated tattoo.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
She say, son, don't ever mark up your body, So
I ain't gonna do it. I wanted a their ring.
My mom told me, once I graduated high school, I
can have an air ring. And then once I graduated,
I didn't want it. I want what I wanted, what
I want when I wanted it. Yeah, I didn't get it.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
It's like whatever, Yeah, so you you sleeved, yeah, covered
the right elbow out. Yeah. I got got some joints
on here where I'm from My mama, my mama, my
logo where I'm from Columbus. I got prayers, I got

(55:39):
a Malcolm X quote on me so so dead boy,
my daughter. I gotta get enough. I got more to go.
I'm gonna do my leg right.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Uh part you say you were gonna lean bad?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
How did that? How did that happen? How did that
that habit stopped? That had been started just by being
a hip hop being influenced, having people around, having easy
access to it, no different any other young star. Probably
one of the worst things that I could have ever
really got into without knowing the repercussion and consequences, but
dealing with something like that, you know, Lean the Double

(56:12):
Cup started from Cup to this day is still monumental
to he Oh yeah, they still talking about it. Oh
in every song, every every shit that Double Cup is.
You know what it is, but they don't tell you
how deadly it is though. See, I didn't know. I
never dealt with withdraws and kickbacks until I don't have
like an addicted personality, So I just put the cup
down like I ain't got nothing cool. But I didn't

(56:34):
know that my body I was drinking so much promotheesy
that my body almost needed it. Yeah, so I'm like, yo,
what is going on? I called my arm one day.
I said, hey, you want you need to check that
ground turkey. She's like, what I said that tacoles you
made with something wrong with the turkey? Like did you
check the date? Because man, my stomach is doing something
crazy and it ain't like I gotta go let it
out either there's some whole other something going on here,

(56:56):
Like it's like pain, Like I feel like a knife
just cutting through my my my stomach. And she was like, no,
why would I cook you some my own ground turkey.
I'm like, something ain't right, and then it wasn't. But
that was me going through and I had no idea.
The worst feeling I've ever witnessed in my life. Like

(57:20):
if you if you're thinking about stopping and you want
to stop, stop, I'm telling you number one, it blows
you up because it's thick, it's certain just sits in
your gut, you know what I mean. You get contemplated.
So the way is it sitting on you get bigger
and bigger. I've seen so many people quit lean and
they look so healthy and they you know what I mean,
and they talk I know Paul Wall talks about all
the time. I just had them on stage with me

(57:41):
at the Millennium Toy came out of Houston and looks amazing.
Everybody who gets off of it looks amazing. And you know,
I said, I just gotta, I gotta, I gotta go
through the process. But I'll tell you what, I'll never
pick up a cup again. It's over. Oh I'm trying
to stop this. Stop that.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
You want to sing your home with a bottle man. Okay,
I'm take it too, take it.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
I'm gonna take that. The Millennium Tour. Yeah, let's talk
about it.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Let's talk about that, all right. Does it feel good
to get back on stage and being what you would
consider your natural habitat?

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yes, Yes, it's amazing. Third one, first woman out in
twenty nineteen, you come back with the second on our
join we win the Billboard Music Award. They added the dog,
We win the chip. You know what I'm saying. Second
following year, we go out again. We run it up.

(58:33):
This time sold out every night. It's crazy. It's crazy
to watch these grown women, watch our fans who grow
up with us, to still be screaming and throwing bras
and panties on the stage having these signs bow while
it was my first crush. I mean, it's just so
beautiful to see because it's you know, I always say
it's not supposed to happen, because when you look at

(58:54):
most child stars that started so young, they don't make
it to this point. At some point, we supposed to
be doing the tell all when it all went down,
and when it all fell down, it was over. I
can't believe I'm thirty eight and I started professionally at
five and I'm still going. Thirteen is when the world
knew me right, you know, and I'm still here going
competing new record out arena tour. I mean, I'm doing

(59:17):
everything that Bid Wow is supposed to be doing right.
And it's only the beginning.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Trade songs on stage, and somebody ran on stage, trade like,
what's up with What's up with it?

Speaker 2 (59:26):
I'm gonna tell you about this. This is funny. No
one knows this never. I didn't share this with nobody
that was in Greensboro, North Carolina. When in Greensboro and
I'm in my dressing room vibing, I just got off
the stage. I'm vibing and I'm watching the show on
the monitor black stage, and as I'm watching, I'm like,
what is going on? I'm what what the hell? And

(59:47):
I'm watching what happens as soon as Trade comes off
the stage. This is exactly what he says. He comes
off the stage, He comes right into my dress room.
Did you see that?

Speaker 3 (59:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (59:57):
First, is it shower? Come on? We got we got talk,
we got talk, we got talked. So we in the
back were talking. Everybody comes back there. He's like, bro,
did you see that right up on the stage. I said, yeah, Bro,
I said when I saw it, ran the hallway with
telling everybody. You know what Trey tells me, I thought
it was you? I said, what he goes, I said, try,

(01:00:18):
I would never jump on your set. He was like this,
I know, but who else? Who else has that much
energy night in night out? Who bounces runs on stage
left the right, jumping up on stuff every night? And
who will have access to the stage? He said, boy,
quick minute. That's why when he jumped on me, I'm like,
oh hey, hey like delay reacts like hold up, He said,

(01:00:41):
I thought it was you. I died laughing and I said, man,
I would never jump on your say said, just because
of that I'm definitely gonna jump out on the first
of minutes one of these nights. I swear to God,
why I said, come on with it, bro, It's all good.
But it was wild, man. This toy has been wild,
and I think it's been so successful because I have
a lot of good dance partners this time. Now I
say that the last towards it now good dance partners.
But when you got people who want to promote, want

(01:01:03):
a post, the camaraderie is there. If Trey doesn't have
a party and I have a hosting, he's coming to
my party. If I don't have if I don't got
a bag to pick up tonight and I'm off, but
Trey got a party, we swing to trade party and
go support and but also have a good time, you
know what I mean. And I think that that's what
tours about the camaraderie. You gotta be together. You can't

(01:01:24):
be no egos. And I think when you put a
little boosy somebody who's viraling his own applies, viral on
his own bow, viral on his own tray, viral on
the we've all been going viral back. I don't know
if you saw the thing with me with the tequila
and the club in Houston. Oh, that's hilarious. That's why
you ain't asks about that. When I was crazy? What
you do? It was a girl's birthday. I might after

(01:01:44):
party and I had a bottle and I was like, okay, honey,
tell you need to take a shot. Get right. When
it came back about that much tequila leving, she drake it.
Oh tore it down. She tore it down and he
gave it back to me. And my reaction is what's
at the internet? Crazy? Because I looked at it and
I was like, I said, you canna be my live?

(01:02:05):
I'm like, damn. I was like, I was like, this
is crazy? Is she drunk? She told that down?

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Like yes, sir, you and Soldier Boy had a beef
and now you mentioned about on MSG that he came out.
You end up falling on him and you got them
past that relationship? How were you able to get past that?

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Because when you're young, you do a lot of dumb stuff.
We never have beef. Beef is serious. That's like the
street right we were racing on whose lambou is the fastest?
I gotta mercy your logo, min It's three hundred thousand
dollars more. You got the good lot bull. You know
what I'm saying. And we look at it now, we laugh.

(01:02:45):
We get money together. We do shows together, like we
have a we have a show, and the work together
as we speak like that. That's my dog man. I
just feel like life is too short. I learned that
from Snoop. I watched Snoop fixed so many relationships with
people that he had real issues with. You know what
I mean. I'm like, if Snoop can overcome that, I
can't too. Like. I love life. I love going outside.

(01:03:09):
I love going into these cities where they say be careful.
I like this, tell that to that other before they
come to town. I ain't got worried nothing about but
nomber but screaming women chasing me. I'm cool. I love life.
I don't want to be for nobody. I don't want to.
I ain't giving up that kind of vibe. I didn't
get off that vibe. I'm the vibe where everybody want
to be around. He the ladies man, he got the vibes.
He he's safe, he he's fun, He's gonna curate the energy.

(01:03:31):
And that's who I want to be. I want to
be the ball of light that everybody can come to.
You know what I'm saying for for I love watching
people have fun. I love watching people smile. That's my thing.
I love to do that, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
So, yeah, your catalog? Would you have to sell your catalog?

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
If the money was right, If the money was right,
and how much we talking, they can have it tomorrow.
They got it today today, And I'm gonna make sure
they we set up a business in Nevada or Jersey
that taxes on that money. Oh yeah, I want all
of it. I want every Florida too. I noticed that

(01:04:11):
you do too, Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. What are your
thoughts on streaming?

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Because I've heard some people say, oh I make I
make a bag doing streaming. I heard some people say, man,
I ain't get but thirty thousand blah blah. Yeah, I'm
not making no money. What are your thoughts on streaming?

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Nah? If you can curate them streams and people all
state like, nah, that's money behind that. Really? Oh yeah?
You talking about think about this even with just YouTube
and different things, just monetizing and things that catch are into.
These are monthly checks that go out. Yeah, you know
what I mean, so if a kid is on distro
Courtney's looking at his numbers, you can see how much
money you make, and it's gonna tell you the date

(01:04:45):
where it's going. I was going to your account, so
you know, ran up and got ahole bunch of streams
TikTok blowing and we got to hit you. Imagine being
six sixteen cents the old and it's say seven hundred
and eighty eight thousand all about to come to your
count tomorrow, all because of a song you know, did
in your mama bit, like in your bedroom and your
mom house, right? You good? What? And to collect that
dope every month or even if you stream live and

(01:05:08):
the hits when people be dropping them, that stuff be
adding up. It can get crazy. It's some kinds that
probably make a million dollars a month just off the
streaming and doing what they do. No cab wow, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Anything you want to promote your tour marching merch ya
at the restaurant?

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Yeah yeah, Prime, I gotta get you down. You you
a cigar guy. I'm not, but I'll come too. Don't
you like that brown? Yeah? We got oh yeah, we
get down, gotta bring you the prime cigar one time.
It's very elegant, classy, felt like Atlanta needed a vibe
like that. Shout out to my boy JV. It's kind
of put me on the team when he just you
know what I mean, helping them out and just curating
the vibes and you know what I mean, that's that's

(01:05:45):
the spot right there. We got three in Atlanta, Prime Express,
prom Ciguard and of course Prom on P Street. That's
the dinners spot. That's gonna be more of your lives
to your steaks and things like you can get flying
and take you a little friend up to that. You're
gonna like that joint like that. And then of course
we got the hairline, the men's hairline killing them still
number one with Redbox Kiss with the Due Rags and
all the men's successories, the brushes, the Twist King Brush

(01:06:06):
and and just expect more movies, brand new record Men Brown,
Heating Up, just getting started on that. The video is
coming by the shoot that end of the month. So yeah, man,
business is booming. Man, I'm I'm excited. I'm really am
excited for this year and next year too. I just
don't know what's gonna happen, but I know God got me,
and the energy that I'm feeling from him is I

(01:06:28):
just need you to be ready this this is your
year and the things that you can't see that you
can kind of sense us coming or it's coming. And
when I drop him on you, I need you to
beat it and answer that call. So I'm ready. Bow
Wow's my dog.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
All my life, grinding all my life, sacri fights, hustle Price,
want a slice all my life, I'll be grinding all
my life, all my life, grinding all my life, sacri fights, Tustle,
bad Price, one slice, got the potatize.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
The Sam all my life. I've been running all my
life