Colin’s joined by Danny Parkins, host of “Breakfast Ball” on FS1!
They start by reacting to the news that the Lakers signed former #1 overall pick DeAndre Ayton to a two year deal and argue that you can’t get away with being a small team in a western conference that’s loaded with talented bigs (4:00). They highlight why it’s a low-risk, buy-low proposition for the Lakers where playing with LeBron and Luka could help revitalize Ayton’s career (10:30).
They discuss the massive gap between the western and eastern conferences in the NBA and the reasons driving the disparity, (14:30) and debate whether the top player in the east (Giannis) can power the Bucks to a finals appearance with Jayson Tatum out (26:00). They also talk about why the teams that have traded star players for assets almost always lose the trade and caution the Bucks about trading Giannis.
They pivot to the NFL and the backlash to the Browns plan to build a domed stadium and debate whether the tradition of snow & bad weather games is worth keeping in a quarterback driven era of football (34:00).
Danny hijacks the conversation to congratulate Colin on his induction in the Radio Hall of Fame and his decades of success and Colin reflects on his journey into the business starting as a kid (44:00).
They discuss the rumors of Dawn Staley potentially being a candidate for head coach of the Knicks, why there are no female coaches in men's sports, whether that could change in the near future and the challenges facing female coaches in men’s sports (51:30).
Finally, Colin argues that while the transfer portal has been good for college sports but requires some limitations and they debate whether money in college athletics has made it a better or worse product (1:02:00).
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (01:05):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
One of my favorite guys, Danny Parkins breakfast Ball FS one.
As I told a Stroy before, try to recruit him
to the volume, but he was very pricey. The free
agent market was very competitive and we couldn't land him
years ago. So he's a teammate now, so let's go
into it. DeAndre Ayton, who I don't think necessarily is
a good fit. Laker fans are banging on the table.
(01:27):
You've got to do something, You've got to do something,
You've got to do something, and they do want to
do something. They want to sign Luca this summer, but
they don't. They really the Lakers are literally trapped. So
they signed DeAndre Ayton a buyout. Blazers bought him out.
It didn't work in Portland, it did not work in Phoenix.
(01:50):
Distracted not necessarily, Like if there was an NFL comp
and be Kyler Murray. You know, it's like, you know,
you see some talent, but you're like, are you really in?
Didn't get along with Phoenix. I think he views himself
as a much This is why I don't think it'll
be great for the Lakers. He views himself as a
much more important offensive piece than any coaching staff has
(02:13):
viewed him. In between Austin Luke and Lebron. He ain't
getting many shots. I mean, he wasn't getting them in Portland,
and Portland's got a bunch of kids who needed his offense.
So this to me is a complete desperation move that
they just But here's the thing. In the West. Jokic Oka,
he's got two bigs. Minnesota's got size. Like you start
(02:36):
looking around, Dallas has a four different players on their
front line. You can't be small. The Warriors know this
the last three years. You can't be a small team
out West. You can get away with it a little bit,
you know. Jannis obviously is big. But you can lose Porzingis.
If you're Boston, you can survive. You can lose Miles Turner.
(02:56):
I think Indiana with your pace and survive. In the West,
if you don't have a big you are a playing
team at best. So I think they almost It's not
a great fit. It will last a year or two,
but I think they had to do something.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, I mean this is buying low right, That's that's
what this is. I mean, DeAndre eighton guys made one
hundred and thirty seven million dollars in his career already
he's twenty six years old. Like there's something too height
size talent, and so he probably because the thing is like,
why hasn't DeAndre Eton gotten better? Why doesn't he have
(03:32):
more attention to detail? Why is he not more disciplined?
And it's like, well, doing it his way through just
natural talent and physical gifts. The guy's average had seasons
where he's averaged eighteen and ten. He's had multiple years
in a row where he's averaged double digit rebounds, like
he's fifty five fifty eight percent from the floor and
he's making thirty plus million dollars a year. He's like,
(03:54):
I don't know why I'm doing it, seems like it's
working out pretty well, you know, I honestly like we
sometimes we just see. Like I also always used to
talking about Hobby bayas that way in baseball. He was like,
why should I learn to hit the slider low and away?
My way has gotten me two hundred million dollars Like yeah,
Like sometimes you can be paid a lot of money
(04:16):
and be really successful while having a fatal flaw. And yeah,
DeAndre Ayton feels like a guy who is never going
to like max out and reach his full potential, but
eighty percent of his full potential is still a really
lucrative basketball player. I will say that not needing to
(04:38):
be the focal point of the offense might bring out
like a best version of DeAndre Ayton if I was
going to try to be optimistic about it, because it's
a pretty good gig to be a big and play
with Luka Doncic because Luca's superpower is collapsing a defense
and then he can throw that lob pass. He might
(05:01):
remember like DeAndre Jordan on Lob City when he would
play with Christal Pall and it was just like, oh
my god, yeah, like this guy hit would hit nine
shots a game and eight of them were dunks right
at there, like it's the easiest, easy, easiest twenty points
you ever got in your life, Like I could. They
tried to trade for Mark Williams, then they failed as
(05:21):
physical Mark Williams flawed player, but uge, but he's huge
that I think that was all they wanted. To your point,
it was like they tried to trade for size, then
they flunked him on his physical and now they're like, okay,
Lebron opted in. We don't want to trade Austin Reeves.
We need we just need size for a year. Let's
go get the former number one overall pick and see
(05:42):
if Lebron and Luca can get something out of him.
So this is just yeah classic by low and you know,
you take a lottery ticket on it and see if
it works.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah. Yeah, it's they never really got you know, when
Clint Capella goes back to Houston and Lopez goes to
the Clippers, you're like, Okay, I mean I listen, if
you'd ask them a week ago if they wanted DeAndre Ayton,
there would have been a you know, like a warning
sign in front of DeAndre Aiden.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, this is not option A, B or C, right,
Like Dallas, I mean, Dallas is gonna hold onto all
of their bigs, which was surprised. You know, like some
people thought that like either Live or like Lively or
Gafford was going to be available, you know, so like
so that that one's a little surprising. But they're clearly
holding on to everybody, at least for now, So there's
(06:28):
no there's no way DeAndre Ayton was was option A
and again we still don't know exactly what Lebron will do,
but catching lob passes from Luca doncis DeAndre Ayton can
do that. Just don't draw up offense for him, and
you're going to be very disappointed with him defensively well.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
And I also think we have to be so that
Walter group comes in. One of the things they've done
with the Dodgers is they've made the games is the
world's becoming events. The Olympics do well, Eitlan Clark Games
do well, the World Cup does well, the Gold Cup's
done well. If you can make stuff feel like an event,
(07:07):
NFL college football events work in a distracted nation. I mean,
everybody's on their phone, right And the truth is, if
I said it to you out loud, Lebron, Luca Aighton, Reeves,
JJ Reddicks coach, it does. The Dodgers have done this.
They've made their Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday night games at Dodgers
Stadium like feel big. I mean, I'm home in LA.
(07:29):
When I was in LA and if the Dodgers are on,
I'm like, oh, Tawny's batting, there's Mooki and Freddie Freeman
and Max Munsey. You are like, is this an All
Star game? They feel huge. From the sound of Lebron,
Luca Reeves, dere Jj Redick coaching, it feels big. It
may be the sixth best team in the West, but
it feels like it's the goodbye for the championship.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
To be honest, can't you just stop at Lebron and
Luca in LA?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But I don't think so anymore. I don't really.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
So like you're doing movie stars court side Lebron, James Luka, Doncic.
You think Austin Reeves and DeAndre Ayton is tipping some
sort of skill.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I think I think they're. I think they're. Jj Reddick
felt like a star. I think JJ got that job, yep,
But I don't. I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I think that like all of a sudden, like Timothy
Shallome is like God, I gotta be court side to
see DeAndre aid well.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
In my in my time in Los Angeles, the Dodgers
have completely separated from the Lakers as the biggest show
in town. Like it's not it's not close. Everybody all
you see in LA is Dodger hats. Everybody in LA
is a Dodger fan. I mean, it's really an incredible separation,
like Chicago has always been like Bears cups. It feels big, right,
(08:49):
and it's like and it just depends on the season
the off season for the Dodgers because they get the
best players in the world. It's I mean, there's like
multiple blogs that have succeeded on Dodger talk. So I
think I think they have to get back to feeling big.
And I think the other thing is Los Angeles is
a very savvy basketball market. You got two teams the
(09:11):
fans really know. Like I said this years and years
ago when I was out East. You would go to
a Boston and Yankee game in New York, the fans
knew the lineup. Oh, like they would be I mean
they knew, you know, if Joe Torry went to the pan,
(09:31):
what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yes, he's hanging the curveball, he's out, get him out? Yeah,
of co.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, there's a lot of fan bases Charlotte in the
NFL where they're there for the cheap beers and the
good Son or something. You know, like LA is a
smart basketball market. If you don't have a center, Oh
we have forty one year old Lebron and Luca who's
finally working out. That's not fans there no Jackson, Hayes, JJ,
(09:57):
Reddick can't stand him, he doesn't want him on the floor.
So I think Ayton makes them feel like athletic and
big and viable. It feels bigger because I think Laker
fans are smart. I really do. I think it's one
of the smarter fan bases in the country, where like
they know the difference between you know, the influencers don't care,
but real basketball fans, and there are many in LA
(10:18):
get you can't compete in the West without a big camp.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
But we're also immediately having a reaction to this news
by saying that this was optioned in C or D
for them and it probably isn't going to work.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So but he is, Ayton is entertaining. He feels I
mean he is. If I told you on a nightly basis,
oh you've got to see this eight and dunk or this,
he'd be like, oh yeah. I mean he does feel
at times offensively like a star.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
No, listen, he has his moments. He's very talented, and
again he's not as bad as people have made him
out to be. The guy can if you can be
an eighteen and ten guy and go fifty eight percent
from the floor. That's that's that's something. Now it's not Luca,
but something.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
No, his problem has always been he views himself as
a twenty six and a half point a game guy.
Like he sees himself as like a like he feels
like he's he's never been given the respect he deserves.
But the truth is his coaches and teammates think he's
getting more than he deserves.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Right, Well, there was I always love the story of
Mario Chalmers on the Dwayne Wade Lebron Miami Heat, and
there was like, you know, not confirmed. It was like
urban legend that he was like, hey, why do you
never draw up the final player or the final shot
for me? He's like, you know, I've hit one of
I've hit a big shot or two in my career,
and it's like, Buddy, a shot for Kansas, we got Lebron.
(11:45):
You know, there can't be like an overinflated sense of self.
But I would hope that when DeAndre Ayton looks around
the huddle and he sees Luca and Lebron, he's not
going to be busting JJ Reddick like, hey, why aren't
you drawing up to play for me coach.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I do think what is interesting, and we had a
lot of things to talk about, but I was talking
to the staff before we did. This is most of
the time. If there's a sort of a trend in sports,
I love decoding it. It's one of my favorite things
to do. Like I've you know, I've got my theories
and beliefs. The NBA West is now so much better
(12:20):
than the East. It has been for thirty years, and
a lot of it's just because bad ownership in Charlotte
and Chicago and Atlanta and Washington. That's like the all
bad owner front office teams are all mostly out East.
The West, Denver and Houston now are capable of winning
the title. Okase just did. San Antonio is going to
(12:43):
make a huge leap. Minnesota's really really good. The Lakers
have Austin Reeves, Lebron and Luca, Golden State has Butler,
Draymond and staff, and the Clippers are viable. You could
argue all of those teams. I mean, the Warriors were
all plain team last year. All of them could compete
for the Eastern Conference Finals. I'm not sure they could
(13:03):
win it. I don't I don't think the Clippers could
win it. But it is interesting. The only thing I
can account for the dominance. It's like SEC times two.
Like the SEC had a twenty year run, but now
the Big ten feels as good or better. The West
is pulling away. Some of it's just Tatum and Haliburton's injuries.
(13:24):
My guess is its ownership stinks out East. That's I
mean the Knicks firing TIBs. I mean, any thoughts on
the domination. It's a winter league and the weather's better
out West.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
That's actually a piece of it, right, I think like
some of it is people want to go to La
that's two of the teams. The Warriors became a juggernaut,
world class organization, Silicon Valley business. That that's out Why
all these guys now have podcast companies and media company
is in all of that. Your your ownership point out
East is luck of the draw. Some of it is
(13:58):
lottery too, right, Like the Spurs won the lottery in
the web Vin Yama Year West, Dallas wins the lottery
in the Cooper Flag year West. You didn't mention Dallas
Dallas has Kylie, Anthony Davis and Cooper Flag.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
No, you're right, I forgot to put Dallas, and there's
six teams I love right exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So like so some of it is blind luck, some
of it is some of it is weather. And you know,
Miami has been an attractive destination and they're just a
little down right right now, right like they easily could
have gotten KD And I would not have loved the
Tyler Hero, Bamada Bayo, Kevin Durant Big Three as like
(14:40):
an NBA champion contender, but we certainly would have talked
about them as being viable in the Eastern Conference. And
this isn't what your main point was, but I'm gonna
bring it up anyway because I'm fascinated by it. I
think that what Milwaukee did make it made sense. I
know they're getting killed for it, but they were just
the five seed in the You are as much of
(15:02):
an NBA fan and historian as I am. Can you
think of because I have a period of time that
I'm thinking of where the gap between the best player
in a conference and the second best player in a
conference has been larger than what it will be next
year between Yannis and the second best player in the
(15:22):
East without Jason Tatum, because like second best player in
the East next year. Kate Cunningham, jal Bank, Carroll ban
Carrow Sure Jalen Brunson, like Yannis, is thirty, twelve and
six and still a top fifteen to twenty defensive player
(15:43):
in the league. And the only reason he's not top
five defensive leagu is because he's doing so much damn
work on offense. Like they were just the five seed,
they absolutely believe that they can win and they might
be dead ass wrong, and you know, they gave up
everything for Dame and Drew and Dan got hurt and
not like Miles Turner's game. But Milwaukee is saying, Yannis
(16:08):
gave us everything, including a title, and he wants to
beat Kobe. He wants to be Tim Duncan. He wants
to be here forever. So in the East, why can't
he grind us to fifty wins and the four seed
and his third MVP, which would be there's only nine
(16:29):
guys in NBA history who won three or more MVPs.
And like that season, even if it doesn't end in
a title, that's a season that Bucks fans would love.
Like that that that's a worthwhile exercise and professional sports entertainment.
I think if I think if the Bucks with Yannis
and the Dame injury and the salary cap situation and
(16:51):
the lack of draft picks, if they were New Orleans,
if they were in the West, they would trade Giannis.
But they look get it, and they say, we've got
the best player in the history of the franchise, the
peak of his powers, who wants to be here. He's
not looking for Miami or La or movie stardom or
anything like that. Like, Okay, fine, we'll stretch game and
(17:13):
we're going to just try to grind out as many
wins as possible. I think there's something admirable in it,
even if it won't end in a championship.
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Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, so I have the opposite take, which is it
is so hard. First of all, dynast street dynasties mostly
come in certain NBA cities, or when you have a
transformational player and he has a great coach like Duncan
and Pop Kerr, Katie Curry, you know Magic and Riley,
(19:13):
you know Lebron, Wade Spolstra, and so Milwaukee has never
gotten the coach right. And it's also not a desirable
area and in my life, and we're seeing it now
in the seventies and now we're seeing it over the
last seven years. It's just one. There's no great teams.
With the new CBA and aprons, there won't be. You
just can't do it. I mean, even a team I
like next year a lot Orlando, they may never win
(19:35):
a title. Just have a bunch of one A player
and a bunch of b plus a minus guys. But
in NBA history that sometimes one is enough. Think about
how good the Shack Penny, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott teams
were no titles. Think how good the Sacramento Kings were.
They couldn't get through the Lakers no titles. Is that
(19:58):
Luel Cinder got one, Yo Kich got one. My take
is okay, see won't win it next year. They're two
inconsistent offensively in Houston now and Denver and all these
teams in the West. They're just gonna chip away at everybody.
Is that if you win one and you have your honesty,
and you win one and you still have a wildly
productive player, but you can't get the coach right and
(20:21):
you get old really fast, which happened in Milwaukee three
years ago. Middleton, you know, lower body injuries. You're like, yeah,
this is getting old fast. Is that when you watch
the Rudy Gobert trade, I would have gone, oh, we
can get six unprotested, uncontested first round picks, an All
star and two rotational players. That I do think smaller markets,
(20:45):
the Orlandos and the Sacramentos, they hold on the stuff
because it's the big show in town. It's of mice
and men Lenny squeezing. They can't let go and it's like, guys,
you have been so old. Such a bad matchup against
younger athletic teams like Boston for three years. I mean,
(21:05):
I think people are forgetting they were favored over Indiana.
Indian it destroyed them.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
The games were competitive, Yeah, I mean, listen, I think
there is some truth to that. But there's also like
they've had bad injuries at bad times. Like I was
at Game one Bucks Heat and it was the one seedv.
The eight seed and they lose to Miami. Jannis falls
(21:34):
on his back in the playoffs, gets hurt. Isn't the
same guy the rest of this game. Dame hurt in
the playoffs but doesn't play this whole series. Middleton has
gotten hurt in the playoffs, like they I think they
like they got one and then they haven't won playoff
series since and were the national responses like, oh well
so then they haven't been close since. In Milwaukee E
(21:58):
They're like, well, we've also had that injury luck to
go along with it, and you're definitely right. They want
to hold on to it and it's the big game
in town. But has Utah won the Rudy go Bear trade?
Like the team that trades the superstar for the four
or five or six assets. There's now a lot of
(22:19):
examples of it working out. It worked out in Oklahoma City.
They traded Paul George and they get SGA and a
draft pick that becomes Jalen Williams. But they also had
Sam Presty doing the trading and the drafting, and there
aren't many of those guys out there, Like, what's a
trade for Giannis where you're going to turn around and
be like, yup, the Bucks are going to be back
(22:41):
in the NBA finals in three years? Okay, this is
the one.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
So kd shen Goon, I'm on temp Thompson don't win,
they get they don't even get to the finals. And
Kdi's one year older. And then Houston says for Tita says, okay,
we're going for it. Okay, we're going to go for it.
Shen Goon an All star for Yannis, Jabbari Smith, who's
(23:09):
going to back up Katie this year?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And and and five unprotected first round picks and maybe
a deep bench rotational players. Now it's kd Aman, Thompson,
Jannis and other young guys. Oh I want to be
you want it? But if I'm Milwaukee, I get. I mean,
shen Goon's going to be a twenty four point game
guy for next to eight years. He's he's really beautiful player.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
So is demonis? What is he won?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Well? No, no, okay, okay, it's fair. It's fair. It's
hard than I get.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It's hard. My point. My point is it's I think
you're always going to lose on that trade. And even
if your point is okay, well, eighty cents on the
dollar is better than fifty cents on the dollar. There's
something too, and you I think we can be a
little national remove fandom live in a bunch of different places.
(24:06):
There's something too. Yannis loving Milwaukee and Milwaukee loving Yannis.
He was Yes, he was the fifteenth pick in the draft.
He was a skinny kid from Greece and when he
came to Milwaukee. You can google the stories. The NBA
(24:27):
was buying the arena back from the Bucks because they
were like yes, I remember, They're like, you need to
get public financing for your stadium where we are going
to move your team, And they got the financing, they
opened the building. Ownership says, this is a commitment to
show that we can build around and win with Yanis.
(24:48):
They built a new practice facility, a beautiful new arena
and then he delivers a championship. And this is just
a silly anecdote that I happen to know just from
being in Chicago. But like Yanis, whenever he would come
and play the Bulls, he would go to You probably
know that you know Ovly the Greek restaurant.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
There's one in yes, yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
So the guy who owns it is lu canelis the
local sports anchor on the Fox affiliate in Chicago. He's
a restaurant tour also. It's probably his main business. By now,
there's there's one in There's there's like five locations, four
or five locations in and around Chicago, and there's one
in Milwaukee that Yannis. Everyone was like, oh, Yannis is
(25:27):
gonna leave Milwaukee and go to the Bulls because he
wants to like have all the good Greek restaurants in Chicago.
And he's like, no, I'm just gonna open a good
Greek restaurant in Milwaukee. Like he he brought the Greek
food to Milwaukee, like the guy. It's a throwback man.
Like we said, like Steph Curry is the Warriors, it
would be weird if he played somewhere else. Tim Duncan
(25:49):
was the Spurs, Kobe was the Lakers. Like, there's I
am just rooting for the purity of the fifteenth pick
in the draft who delivers the title to the wall Market.
And he's like, I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm not messing
with happy. I don't think it could. I don't think.
I think you're you like moving, you like La. You're
(26:12):
like you're like I like London and LA and Europe
and backpacking and biking, and like you like moving around.
And I get it. But this guy, I think he
just likes Milwaukee. I think we projeest night, we project
onto Giannis would we we want Giannis to play for
a championship again.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
And he's like that's right.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
And he and I and he's like, why can't I
play for a championship here? And he's probably wrong. Yeah,
but he's probably wrong. But I think there's something admirable
in like the effort, like the tribe.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Okay, so you're more of a sports romantic.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I think I can be. Yeah, absolutely, I can't be.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
So so let's then segue to a topic I saw
this week. So this is something that I've never understood.
I don't understand the advantage of it. Back in the sixties, seventies, eighties,
and nineties, when the NFL, you literally could be average
at quarterback and win your division regularly. You ran the ball,
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you played defense. The NFL allowed all sorts of clutching
and grabbing and hitting late. I mean there's videos of
Joe Montana being slammed the turf, which would get you
thrown out for like six games. Now, so I never
understood snow games, but I do think there was an
era in which, if you were built right run game
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weren't great at quarterback defense, snow games were a little
bit of an advantage.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Okay, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Cleveland, the Cleveland Browns come out over the last week
and they're like, we're coming out with a new stadium,
and people are like, oh my god, there goes the
home field advantage. I'm like, you have a horror roble
home record over the last three decades. First, but my
takeaway is it's a quarterback league. Snow Brady is an
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exception that I would watch him and Manning play in
snow and I'm like, oh, Tom's winning the game. I
could tell him pregame they take that shot on CBS
and Manning would be freezing if box Probably Tom's winning.
It's over is that the snow game today? There's not
many of them, it feels like. But I think it's
always been completely overrated. There's a reason we play Bowl
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games in better weather. I don't want my football screwed
with by ice storms and sleet, and I think it
remains the most overrated thing in American sports, the snow
football game.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I want my games to be played like they are
supposed to be played. So I'm glad the super Bowl
is in a dome, right I do. But I like
December regular season games in snow. Like I think there
is something too, like lamb Like there's like some stadiums
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that should just be grandfathered in, Like Fenway is like
a little bit of a pain in the ass, but
you'd be bummed if they changed Fenway Wriggly. They've renovated
Wriglely and they've made it better with video boards and
accessibility and all that, but like that is still a
brick wall out there covered by ivy. It's not like
the most practical thing in the world. Right, Like if
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if Pete crow Armstrong, who's gonna be the starting center
fielder for the National League ran into the brick wall
and broke his shoulder. We would do the topic of like,
should there be a brick wall in center field? That's
pretty that's pretty dangerous, that's pretty archaic, but there's a
charm to it. It doesn't have to make sense Lambeau
(29:46):
Like if the so you'd say that the Packers should
put a roof on Lambeau Field.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
No, I think exactly exactly, Yeah, I mean, I think
green Bay is what green Bay is. I think it.
I think its history is the frozen tundra in Vince Lombardi.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Because it doesn't make any sense for an NFL team
to be in green Bay, Wisconsin. Right if we were
starting that's right, if we were starting the league tomorrow
from scratch and you picked thirty two cities, we wouldn't
pick green Bay. But we well it's it's but well,
we all agreed the NFL is better with green Bay existing.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
What what is laughable about the Bears is green Bay
is always drafted quarterbacks Farv Aaron and Love with above
average arms, and the Buffalo Bills with Jim Kelly and
Josh Allen understand the value of a whip in northern climates.
That's why it was always indefensible when Mitch Trubisky, who's
ball dyed twenty four yards down the field, was drafted
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by the Bears. It's like, is there a dome stadium
that was as agreed to that I'm not aware, Like
there's some teams that don't even understand there the web
are advantages this dome team draft Tua warm Weather, Tua.
If you draft them and cold, you're idiotic and should
be fired as general manager, right.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Right, Like the like the Yankees are going to be
in the market for every lefty slugger because they have
a short porch and right, you know what I mean,
there's there's there's something to do. But so I hear what
you're saying about outdoor stadiums. But it's like, if we
don't want Arrowhead to go away, and we don't want
Lambeau to go away, then like I understand Cleveland fans
pitching and moaning about the Dome too.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So the uh, there's there's a lot of different topics.
I think, can.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
We do a topic? I want to do a topic
your podcast want to do with top Yeah, congratulations on
making it to the Radio Hall of Fame. And you
can put this at the end, or you can scrub
it out entirely. I don't know, but I hope you don't.
But you have started and developed a very successful business.
(32:06):
You are a legend in the industry. You have conquered
multiple mediums. And I know that hall of fame talk
on talk shows? Is Pete Rosea hall of fame? Or
is it a museum? Is he a first ballid guy?
Is he overrated? Is he snowed? Will you admit that
it meant something to you?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Oh? God, sure, yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Like the radio purist in me, because I will always
consider myself a radio guy, and I know you're the same.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, I'm the same. It's so cool, it's so yeah,
it is congratulations, you know what. Oh, thank you very much.
So it's weird because, as my staff knows, I take
so much pride in topic selection, and I know the
audience doesn't care, you do, Nick does? I got some
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of the nicest note Joe Fortonbaugh old bosses, people that
love radio sent me the sweetest, kindest notes. Listen, I
was seven years old, rural. My mom got me a
transistor radio. You know, this was nineteen seventy two. Seventy three,
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there weren't that many games on TV. ESPN wasn't a thing,
and radio was my friend. I'm a rural like I
was eight miles from the closest friend, and I would
sit in our Frank Lloyd Wright house on the second
There was a picnic table in the back patio. I'd
get on it, go to the second floor, and for
some reason there was this weird vortex where all these
AM radio signals came in and I would sit there
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listening to baseball games and I heard Vin Scully when
I was eight on a scratch it was Kfire or
something in La whatever it was, and it was scratchy.
I would take notes, I would write down, I would
get names I was. You know, radio's always been something
I love. Now once I went to simulcast, I have
to play the TV a lot. That's the reality of it.
TV's bigger, Yeah, it's it's it's a huge deal. I
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don't get terribly emotional about stuff. I've seen everything now
at this point, but my wife knows how much it means.
You know, my friends know how much it means. It's
a big deal for me, and I don't want to
be self congratulatory, but yeah, for in my life, it's
been one of my.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Goals really, Okay, see I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
And the reason I didn't send you a text because
I knew I was already booked for this when the
news came out. I wanted to do it face to face.
But like, you inspired so many people of like Nick
and mis generation to do radio. And then Nick and
I would always joke and I think he said it
to you, and I'm not sure if I had, but been.
(34:48):
But you also kind of like ruined the next generation
of radio hosts because people would try to be you
and like try to do but your brain is so
singular in terms of the analogies and the comparisons, and
like it was an amazing thing. And then you would
hear people try to be you and it was like, no, man,
this is like a one of one talent that you've
crushed it in podcasting and TV and all that, but
like it was made for radio because the beauty of
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radio is that you've got the long runway. You've got
the runway to tell the story, to be personable, to
be vulnerable, to be circuitous if you want to to
talk about the fandom in LA of a LA person
and then relate that to why they can be savvy
with basketball but still care about start Like it's like
(35:31):
it's perfect for radio, it's also perfect for podcasting. I
understand how podcast is kind of replaced radio, but it's
just you really deserve it and you. I don't know
how many more people in generations after you, if any,
will have a big impact on the genre of radio
(35:52):
just because it's changed, Like it's you know what I mean,
Like there was gonna have to be like a podcasting
hall of Fame, like people younger than Colin Calvert that
made a real impact in radio. It's a short list,
man like, because it's just it's not as influential anymore, sadly,
and so like you are probably one of the last,
(36:15):
like truly radio titans. Other people will get in, like
they'll keep inducting people, But in terms of people who
meant more to the medium than you, there's not good.
There will be some who meant as much or like
we're on your level because I'm just not thinking of
the Like Ryan Seacrest, I don't know if he's in.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
He meant a lot to Yeah, right, you know what
I mean. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
There's probably a few more, but like you're one of
the last ones. Man like you meant a ton to radio.
So I just want to say congratulations.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Well, I appreciate that. I think sometimes I've told people before.
Growing up divorced by myself, my sister was five years older.
I wrote about it in my first book. I was
actually lucky. I had all the things needed to tell
good stories on the radio. I was by myself really
all the time. I can remember playing and I know
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I'm going on and on.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
About this and we can cut it, but don't, okay.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
So when I was a little kid, like like eight, nine,
ten years old, that kind of thing. In the mid seventies,
the Cincinnati Regire a great team and I love them.
And I can still give you the entire roster of
the Reds and the Dodgers, and I mean the infields
were legendary. Garvy and Lopes and Russell and Ron say Against.
You know, it's like, you know, Tony Perez and Joe
Morgan and Dave Conception and Pete Rose a third and
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I would do lineups and I would play wiffleball by myself.
So I would throw the ball up, hit it, and
I do remember there was a moment and I wrote
about this in the book that I was obviously bored
because we had these trees in right field, and I
had Saesar Geronimo, who I never saw hit a home run,
hit a home run in my mind in whiffle ball.
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I remember thinking I went and got the ball. And
I didn't have the self awareness before this. I was
probably nine or ten, and I thought, man, I'm alone
a lot. I'm alone a lot. And it really hit
me that I was talking to myself all the time,
and like out loud in the yard, like just talking
(38:22):
to myself doing the games. And so when people have
ever asked me, you know, you kind of talk to
yourself a lot, and I'm like, like, like, Larry King
want the late Larry King once came up and he goes,
how do you talk to yourself three hours a day?
I said, you should hear the other fourteen I said, Larry,
this is just what I've been doing since I've been
like six or seven, because I grew up really by myself.
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My sister was five years older, so you know, she's
out of high school all the time. I get into it.
Fourteen year old girls don't want to hang out with
nine year old boys like nine year old.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Boys to hang out with fourteen year old girls.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
So so a lot of the things in my life
growing up in the middle of nowhere, I think probably
this manufactured this kind of odd talking to yourself personality
that works.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, well no, and and that makes perfect sense too.
Why you've never really I mean obviously you know J
Mac and whatever, But like, also why you been a
solo act? It's hard to do? Yeah, Like it's it's
you know what I mean, Like, I take a lot
of pride in being able to do it. Solo radio
is hard. It's it's a hard thing to do.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
So here's here's an interesting one. I'll throw this at you.
So if you took I think there's three hundred and
sixty Division one men's programs, as far as I can
tell men's basketball programs, a woman's never coached them. In
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the history of the NBA. There's never been a head
coach of an NBA team. I guess if you went
and found the top twenty five boys basketball team, they're
probably coached by guys. Now, obviously men coach women all
the time. You know, we see that WNBA, we see
it in college, high school, whatever, but it doesn't go
the other way. The door doesn't open the other way.
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So when Donald Staley got talked about for the Knicks,
and I've thought about this before, I've thought about I
think it would actually potentially work. Now, New York's not easy.
It's a relentless media that just ran Tibbs out of
the building. It's like, I think New York wouldn't. I
wouldn't want that to make the test case for it.
(40:34):
Can we go to you know, can we go to Orlando?
Can we go somewhere where the media is not as
loud and relentless and brutal. But when I thought about
Don Staley, I thought, well, tis just they just had
the best season in twenty five years. Going to Don Staley.
It's a little odd for that situation in this organization.
But I do think, like Becky Hammond has been discussed,
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and I think about it because and one of the
reasons being is like, if you picked the sport in
the world and you said, like soccer and women's basketball,
Caitlin Clark can make shots that NBA players cannot make consistently.
She is a better shooter than half the NBA. I'm
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I'm absolutely sure of it. And I do think when
you watch women's soccer, not as good as the men,
but we've had so much success in the country. But
I do think that there's something about basketball and that
you are seeing. I remember watching Maya Moore and thinking
she can make a Division one team. My horse Cheryl
Miller and make a Division one team, do you believe?
(41:40):
I do think there will be a female NBA coach eventually,
and I think part of it is that women's basketball.
Caitlin Clark's a great example. She's doing things I have
never seen me. Would you want Miles Turner taking a
thirty three foot shot? No?
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Is it better shooter than half the NBA?
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah? So okay. I think these are two separate points.
When I was reporting Pipeline of the Pros, the book
that I wrote about the D three coaches and players
who made their way to the NBA coaches and executives,
you know, you talked to a lot of coaches and executives,
both the D three people and then the people who
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hired them and helped them kind of break in and
one of the lines of questioning that I would ask
the Jeff van Gundies, the Stan van Gundyes of the world,
was like, what's it like being you the five foot nothing,
one hundred and nothing, you know, white slub and trying
to get Patrick Ewing's respect? Like, what's that like? And
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there are there were some great stories of being tested
and being doubted, but almost universally there was just a
through line was even if you were doubted, or if
you were tested or if you know, Tylu didn't have
to clear that hurdle because they knew that he knew
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it because he had played. All these players wanted you
to you to be able to prove to them was
can you help them get better? Yep, that's simple. It
was because that can get them their next contract, It
can extend their career, It can help get them a ring,
it can get them a legacy, it can get them
that had their jersey retired, It can get them a
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media career at like whatever it is, right like it
can a good coach can level you up a little bit.
And so I don't think it's ridiculous at all. And
if Don Staley got the next job, I completely agree
with you. There would have just been an extra level
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of the circus because of James Dolan, James Dolan, Tibbs,
the first woman New York, the media market, the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
But that may be the toughest job in the league, honestly,
no doubt.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
I completely agree with you. But I also don't think
that don Staley is the only woman who is capable
of doing it. So like say it did happen, and
then say she failed. I don't think that would like
set back the idea of it twenty years. Like there's
more than thirty competent coaches who could coach NBA teams, right,
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you know, there just is. And so some of it
is opportunity, some of it's you host a podcast with Lebron.
Some of it's just like these owners lack creativity and
they keep hiring Doc Rivers and like, you know, like
whatever it is, there's a lot of different reasons why
the people who get the jobs get the jobs. But
someone will do it, yeah, and then it will work,
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and then five or six women will be coaching in
the NBA, and someone will right, the wow, there's all
these d three people coaching in the NBA. How the
hell did that happen? And then someone will write that book.
You know, I don't think it is going to be.
It hasn't happened, and it's a little ridiculous that it hasn't,
but it's going to happen because there's also Yeah, there
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were really talented female assistant coaches on not every statue
in the league, but a huge percentage of like shooting coaches,
advanced scouts, like most teams have a woman somewhere in
the first or second row of their bench at this point. So, yeah,
basketball is so much closer to it than football.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Well and also, and I know there'll be somebody listening
to this thinking, oh, it's woke. The truth is the
NBA is a more progressive league. So if any league
was going to do it, it would be the NBA. Yeah,
and they talk more politics than any league. That's just
the history of the league.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah. And I also, I'm just I'm so sick and
tired of being policed by people being like, oh, that's
a woke thought, Like it's it's not a pejorative. Shut up.
I don't I don't care. I don't care like you
did the Okay, fine, fine, make your comment on your
(46:14):
on your block. Oh it's a woke thought that a
woman could teach about the drop coverage in a I'm
not asking her to do a three sixty dunk, like
I'm not asking her to guard Lebron Like like if
you've seen again like stan Van Nundy, there's this crazy
video of people should watch it of him doing like
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a little dribble combo move and he like goes between
the legs, between the legs and behind the back and
and he's just like messing around before a practice and
it went viral and it got like millions of views,
and they were like, how does the like short, fat
white guy know how to dribble a basketball? And it's like, well,
he played like Lai d three ball like he can.
His mind was a better teacher of basketball than his
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athleticism allowed him to do it. But he right cross
the threshold. We're like, well, he could play at a
high enough level to know enough about the game to
be able to speak to players clear.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
And the truth of the same thing, how many great
players in any sport have been great coaches. The truth
of the matter, it's often somebody who has played the
sport a little men or women, but have this sort
of they were a utility infielder in baseball, they were
you know, I mean, it's like the truth is coaches
usually have to you have to get respect from players
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because like Larry Bird is the rare legend who coaches
and you're like, oh, he's competent, that's rare. So you
always have to get buy in from players in all sports.
Like Mike Rabel physical you get buy in one of
the smartest, but it looks like he can beat up
half the team, like there's a physical presence with Rabel,
like he gets immediate buying. Mike McDaniel, though, ill argue
this all day. Mike McDaniel had to convince those guys
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he looks like a sports writer. He's snarky and funny
like a writer. Like he doesn't walk into a room
of fifty five alpha male and there's like complete buy in.
I guarantee you he thought a lot about that in football,
especially because it's a size league.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah, of course, And but like in basket like you're
the only comment in here that I was like, I'm
not even sure, like like I don't know what Maya
War's level would have been because you don't see like
Caitlin Clark playing in pickup games with Kevin Durant in
the off prison right like right, like we're not we're
not anywhere close to a woman playing in the NBA, right,
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But coaching, Yeah, that's not that that's not a leap
to me in any way, Like it they already do,
Like they already coach in the NBA right now, So
like to be the head coach is not some sort
of crazy thing for me to wrap my mind around.
And my understanding is it's not a crazy thing for
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players to wrap their mind around either, as long as
you can have. One assistant coach described it to me
as like they just want to know that you have.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
The n of the test yep.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Yeah, like like they there was like a hand signal
that a point guard was calling out and Lebron looked
to this assistant coach and the assistant coach didn't have it,
and he said it ruined like his month because he
felt like he had like let Lebron down. He didn't
have the scout the signal on the scouting report, and
he was a new coach on the staff and he
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felt like he had to like earn his trust back
and like they talked about it afterwards and it was
this whole big thing, and he's like, I felt like
he was testing me. He wasn't. He was just asking
what the call was from the other team of the
scouting report. But like, there's no doubt that that's going
to happen in basketball, because of course a woman could
pass that test, no question.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
You know what's funny. Maybe we can end it here
because I've always thought this funny, like sports is always
trying to kind of manufacture parody. You know, you win,
you you when you win, you know, you get the
last draft pick, and there's limitation. You know, the lottery
is set up to you know, even though the number
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one team doesn't win, it's usually like the fourth or
fifth best odds win. A bad team gets good players.
I think a lot of times the media. The two
things the media does that I kind of roll my
eyes at. They make everything feel like the end of
the world. I mean, people have to remember I'm old enough,
I don't remember this, but I remember my dad and
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mom and people talked about this. In the sixties, our
president was assassinated, so is his brother, so was MLKA,
middle of a Vietnam war, and by seventy two earned
Watergate you think we have casts now with tariffs, like
folks like the media tends to make every current bit
(50:46):
of turbulence seem like I mean, I thought our COVID
coverage it was okay for about two months because it
was new. We didn't know what was happening. But it
did get to a point after about six months, we're
not all going to die that this like there was
there was pretty odvious stuff that that we were saying
that kids were safe, you could go to school. It
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was mostly seventy five and older, like like in the
in the media for about two years, the stories were
it was relentless run for your life. So that's my
first thing that drives me nuts. It's that we have
to be a little less hyperbolic. And I think about
this all the time as a sports guy. The second
thing is they can be nia, we can be naive
a little bit, and so I remember when these the
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media can be like, guys, you're being idealistic. And I
understand the media is young and hopeful, but when the
NIL came out, I can remember a lot of these stories,
and I can remember fans doing this. You know what.
Finally Purdue can compete and now because everybody said, anybody
can transfer. You won't have to sit behind Ohio State's
(51:50):
left tackle. You can go. And I look at today
Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia. Is that I think the
NIL and transfer portal are fascinating. One players needed to
be paid, and two I think the transfer portal. I
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think you should have to wait eighteen months to transfer,
like I think you should be able to transfer two
or three times. You can't keep transferring. Don't tell me.
Coaches do Power five coaches don't transfer every six weeks.
That's not the way it works. But I guess my
point is, do you do you love college sports less
now that money is involved? Because I have friends who
(52:32):
are like, I hate the NIL. My take is, yeah,
when the Huskies end up in the playoff, you'll be
watching when Washington's facing Notre Dame. Don't tell me that,
but I hear this all the time. NIL transfer Portal's
ruined it for me. Yeah, I don't, No, I don't.
I mean they were getting paid before. There's just like
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I remember the point guard of the Syracuse basketball team
when I was there, driving like a Dodge Charger that
was all souped up.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Then I was like, how where did that come from?
You know what I mean, how did that happen? And
so you know, it's just that part never bothered me.
I think what is dumb about it is that we
went from guys getting suspended for selling their sugar bowl
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jersey and that was the biggest terrelle prior the biggest
story in the world.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
I remember that and right.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
And now it's like, oh, this guy got four million
trans and it's like, well, wait what And I have
no problem get go get your money. But I they
because they had their head in the sand for so long,
and they just let it be the wild West for
(53:52):
so long, and they fought against unionization, and they fought
against revenue sharing, and they fought against it's the video
game and like all of the things that just like, wait,
I can I can buy a Syracuse fifteen jersey, but
it can't say Anthony on the back, and so like
Mellow doesn't get a piece of the cut, like what
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like like it was just so stupid for so long
that now the only thing that bothers me about it
is that it's not that it's so far the other way,
but it's like people like, oh that Cooper Flagg made
twenty million dollars in name, image, and likeness last year,
and it's like, can you prove that? Like I wish,
(54:34):
I wish there was like a I like that, I
know what Aaron Rodgers signed for. I like that I
know what Lebron gets paid. Like I there's a salary gap.
It makes it easy to fund find and follow, and
you can play GM and Fantasy Football and trades and
Dynasty Mode in that and like a lot of us
like following sports from like the GM perspective of it,
(54:58):
because we never had any chance to be the quarterback
of the team. And now it's just like who's paying
for the point guard? It's it's under Armour, or it's Nike,
or it's a car dealership. Like it's just I wish
that there was more transparency in how it all worked,
as opposed to like, oh, arch Manning has a reported
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six million dollar ANIL deal and it's like, well, who's
reporting it from? Where is it a booster? Is it
a sponsor? Like I just wish that it was more
transparent so that we could follow it and understand it more.
Georgia has fifty million dollars in their fund perdue has
six million in there. That's really impressive that Perdue is
(55:41):
able to be the Billy Bean Oakland Athletics of the
Big ten and like punch above their weight class and
compete with Ohio State. But we're just in the dark
on all of the money of it, like we always were, frankly.
But it's like they're trying to tell us, oh, yeah,
now they're getting paid and it's all above board, but
it's clearly still not. And I don't know if I'm
(56:03):
rambling here a little bit or if you're following what
I'm saying. No, no, no, but it's like we need
to have a happy medium. But there's clearly billions of
dollars and more of it is going to the players,
and that's good, but it's not regulated in any way
that makes sense, and it's not regulated in any way
that a fan can realistically follow. And so I think
(56:27):
that that It doesn't make me like it less, but
it makes me understand it less. Like why did this
player transfer there? Why are they leaving after one year?
How much money are they getting? Oh I would transfer
there too, if maybe they were giving me four million
dollars in this place is only giving me one million dollars,
but I want that to be above board and reported
with some level of accuracy, and I feel like it's
(56:50):
not at all.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
Yeah, the the thing about the one thing I'll say
about the transfer portal, I think Jay Billis is a
really smart guy. I think he's really wrong on one
thing when he says, well, coaches can transfer, why can't players?
And my take is because Eric Shanks is responsible for
all of Fox Sports, I'm just responsible for my show.
A coach isn't a player. A coach is responsible for
(57:13):
the staff, the brand, the name, the players, responsible for himself.
So in the end, if a coach gets bought out,
if the athletic department like makes him pay some money
back and he leaves, that's not a player leaving. Let's
I mean people and bosses i've had at the big
companies I've worked at have pensions that I'm not allowed
(57:35):
to get. I'm just an employee their management. So the
only thing I hear about, well, well, players, you know,
coaches do that. Coaches are management. Management's different. Management has
things they will never let you see. There are documents
that management has at Fox Sports. I don't get to
see where they're going, what they're doing what corner's coming up,
(57:56):
the contract negotiations. Players don't get to see everything coaches do.
You don't get all the information, you don't have to
balance the budget, you don't have to be a capologist.
So that my thing on I don't believe players should
be able to just transfer constantly. I think like every
eighteen months that'll give you two transfers. Basically, if you
stay for four or five years, you get two transfers
(58:17):
outside of your initial signing. But I think I think
sign transfer trans.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
I think that's reasonable. I think that if you if
you're a kid who's going to a college because the
coach recruited you, and then the coach leaves, I also
think that should open you up. So if I sign
on to play college football, yeah Onnson and Davo and Davo,
and then Dabo decides to leave, Like, I think that.
I think that that is a reasonable thing for a
(58:43):
kid to be able to say, well, wait, I signed
on to play for this coach and now this coach
is not there anymore, So I want to be able
to move. But also kids should be able to go
to college where they want to.
Speaker 1 (58:57):
For the most part, right, Yeah, I think again. I
think you have to have guardrails on everything. Yeah, I
think just everything needs guardrail. AI AI needs it, the
Internet needs it, like it. I don't think it's crazy.
I've said this before. Canada's got certain restrictions, like you
(59:17):
have to on a Canadian radio station play Canadian artists
a percentage of the time. I've never thought it's crazy
to restrict some of the things allowed on the Internet.
Every other country does, like to just say, hey, listen,
we're not going to allow like blank blank blank, like
like heavy violence on it. We're not going to allow that.
I don't think. I don't think I'm punitive or ultra conservative,
(59:41):
like there's crap in the internet kids shouldn't see. And
if we can't tell, you know, parents, some parents at
six let their kids get on the internet, Well then
we shouldn't. We should have things that are completely absolutely restricted.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Yeah, reasonable restrictions for the right. There's a reason why
there are seatbelt laws because it's a good idea right.
It's a good idea to right to protect people from themselves,
et cetera. I know I had no problem with that,
but I just like the U asked, like, does it
make me like it less. It doesn't make me like
it less. It makes me resents the leadership a little
(01:00:14):
bit more because I feel like this could have been
done twenty years ago, like in partnership with the players. Oh,
you guys want to be in a video game and
have your name in there and get a little bit
of money, and like we could have like eased into
this as opposed to going from nothing to everything all
at once. And now it's just very messy and very confusing,
(01:00:39):
and high school kids have agents and it just you know,
it just does. It's just it went. It went so
far so fast that I feel like it needs to
come back a little bit, not in terms of like
make less money, but in terms of to your point,
regulation it needs to just make a little bit more
sense as a system for the best terment of everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Danny Parkins, Okay, we rambled for an hour. We landed
on a couple of topics. I liked it. It was fun.
Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Yeah, I never know. I don't prep these at all.
Can't you tell you don't tell me what's going to happen.
You can just talk for an hour.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Clearly I don't either.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Congratulations again, Colin, seriously.
Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
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Speaker 2 (01:05):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
One of my favorite guys, Danny Parkins breakfast Ball FS one.
As I told a Stroy before, try to recruit him
to the volume, but he was very pricey. The free
agent market was very competitive and we couldn't land him
years ago. So he's a teammate now, so let's go
into it. DeAndre Ayton, who I don't think necessarily is
a good fit. Laker fans are banging on the table.
(01:27):
You've got to do something, You've got to do something,
You've got to do something, and they do want to
do something. They want to sign Luca this summer, but
they don't. They really the Lakers are literally trapped. So
they signed DeAndre Ayton a buyout. Blazers bought him out.
It didn't work in Portland, it did not work in Phoenix.
(01:50):
Distracted not necessarily, Like if there was an NFL comp
and be Kyler Murray. You know, it's like, you know,
you see some talent, but you're like, are you really in?
Didn't get along with Phoenix. I think he views himself
as a much This is why I don't think it'll
be great for the Lakers. He views himself as a
much more important offensive piece than any coaching staff has
(02:13):
viewed him. In between Austin Luke and Lebron. He ain't
getting many shots. I mean, he wasn't getting them in Portland,
and Portland's got a bunch of kids who needed his offense.
So this to me is a complete desperation move that
they just But here's the thing. In the West. Jokic Oka,
he's got two bigs. Minnesota's got size. Like you start
(02:36):
looking around, Dallas has a four different players on their
front line. You can't be small. The Warriors know this
the last three years. You can't be a small team
out West. You can get away with it a little bit,
you know. Jannis obviously is big. But you can lose Porzingis.
If you're Boston, you can survive. You can lose Miles Turner.
(02:56):
I think Indiana with your pace and survive. In the West,
if you don't have a big you are a playing
team at best. So I think they almost It's not
a great fit. It will last a year or two,
but I think they had to do something.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, I mean this is buying low right, That's that's
what this is. I mean, DeAndre eighton guys made one
hundred and thirty seven million dollars in his career already
he's twenty six years old. Like there's something too height
size talent, and so he probably because the thing is like,
why hasn't DeAndre Eton gotten better? Why doesn't he have
(03:32):
more attention to detail? Why is he not more disciplined?
And it's like, well, doing it his way through just
natural talent and physical gifts. The guy's average had seasons
where he's averaged eighteen and ten. He's had multiple years
in a row where he's averaged double digit rebounds, like
he's fifty five fifty eight percent from the floor and
he's making thirty plus million dollars a year. He's like,
(03:54):
I don't know why I'm doing it, seems like it's
working out pretty well, you know, I honestly like we
sometimes we just see. Like I also always used to
talking about Hobby bayas that way in baseball. He was like,
why should I learn to hit the slider low and away?
My way has gotten me two hundred million dollars Like yeah,
Like sometimes you can be paid a lot of money
(04:16):
and be really successful while having a fatal flaw. And yeah,
DeAndre Ayton feels like a guy who is never going
to like max out and reach his full potential, but
eighty percent of his full potential is still a really
lucrative basketball player. I will say that not needing to
(04:38):
be the focal point of the offense might bring out
like a best version of DeAndre Ayton if I was
going to try to be optimistic about it, because it's
a pretty good gig to be a big and play
with Luka Doncic because Luca's superpower is collapsing a defense
and then he can throw that lob pass. He might
(05:01):
remember like DeAndre Jordan on Lob City when he would
play with Christal Pall and it was just like, oh
my god, yeah, like this guy hit would hit nine
shots a game and eight of them were dunks right
at there, like it's the easiest, easy, easiest twenty points
you ever got in your life, Like I could. They
tried to trade for Mark Williams, then they failed as
(05:21):
physical Mark Williams flawed player, but uge, but he's huge
that I think that was all they wanted. To your point,
it was like they tried to trade for size, then
they flunked him on his physical and now they're like, okay,
Lebron opted in. We don't want to trade Austin Reeves.
We need we just need size for a year. Let's
go get the former number one overall pick and see
(05:42):
if Lebron and Luca can get something out of him.
So this is just yeah classic by low and you know,
you take a lottery ticket on it and see if
it works.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah. Yeah, it's they never really got you know, when
Clint Capella goes back to Houston and Lopez goes to
the Clippers, you're like, Okay, I mean I listen, if
you'd ask them a week ago if they wanted DeAndre Ayton,
there would have been a you know, like a warning
sign in front of DeAndre Aiden.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, this is not option A, B or C, right,
Like Dallas, I mean, Dallas is gonna hold onto all
of their bigs, which was surprised. You know, like some
people thought that like either Live or like Lively or
Gafford was going to be available, you know, so like
so that that one's a little surprising. But they're clearly
holding on to everybody, at least for now, So there's
(06:28):
no there's no way DeAndre Ayton was was option A
and again we still don't know exactly what Lebron will do,
but catching lob passes from Luca doncis DeAndre Ayton can
do that. Just don't draw up offense for him, and
you're going to be very disappointed with him defensively well.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
And I also think we have to be so that
Walter group comes in. One of the things they've done
with the Dodgers is they've made the games is the
world's becoming events. The Olympics do well, Eitlan Clark Games
do well, the World Cup does well, the Gold Cup's
done well. If you can make stuff feel like an event,
(07:07):
NFL college football events work in a distracted nation. I mean,
everybody's on their phone, right And the truth is, if
I said it to you out loud, Lebron, Luca Aighton, Reeves,
JJ Reddicks coach, it does. The Dodgers have done this.
They've made their Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday night games at Dodgers
Stadium like feel big. I mean, I'm home in LA.
(07:29):
When I was in LA and if the Dodgers are on,
I'm like, oh, Tawny's batting, there's Mooki and Freddie Freeman
and Max Munsey. You are like, is this an All
Star game? They feel huge. From the sound of Lebron,
Luca Reeves, dere Jj Redick coaching, it feels big. It
may be the sixth best team in the West, but
it feels like it's the goodbye for the championship.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
To be honest, can't you just stop at Lebron and
Luca in LA?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But I don't think so anymore. I don't really.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
So like you're doing movie stars court side Lebron, James Luka, Doncic.
You think Austin Reeves and DeAndre Ayton is tipping some
sort of skill.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I think I think they're. I think they're. Jj Reddick
felt like a star. I think JJ got that job, yep,
But I don't. I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I think that like all of a sudden, like Timothy
Shallome is like God, I gotta be court side to
see DeAndre aid well.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
In my in my time in Los Angeles, the Dodgers
have completely separated from the Lakers as the biggest show
in town. Like it's not it's not close. Everybody all
you see in LA is Dodger hats. Everybody in LA
is a Dodger fan. I mean, it's really an incredible separation,
like Chicago has always been like Bears cups. It feels big, right,
(08:49):
and it's like and it just depends on the season
the off season for the Dodgers because they get the
best players in the world. It's I mean, there's like
multiple blogs that have succeeded on Dodger talk. So I
think I think they have to get back to feeling big.
And I think the other thing is Los Angeles is
a very savvy basketball market. You got two teams the
(09:11):
fans really know. Like I said this years and years
ago when I was out East. You would go to
a Boston and Yankee game in New York, the fans
knew the lineup. Oh, like they would be I mean
they knew, you know, if Joe Torry went to the pan,
(09:31):
what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yes, he's hanging the curveball, he's out, get him out? Yeah,
of co.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, there's a lot of fan bases Charlotte in the
NFL where they're there for the cheap beers and the
good Son or something. You know, like LA is a
smart basketball market. If you don't have a center, Oh
we have forty one year old Lebron and Luca who's
finally working out. That's not fans there no Jackson, Hayes, JJ,
(09:57):
Reddick can't stand him, he doesn't want him on the floor.
So I think Ayton makes them feel like athletic and
big and viable. It feels bigger because I think Laker
fans are smart. I really do. I think it's one
of the smarter fan bases in the country, where like
they know the difference between you know, the influencers don't care,
but real basketball fans, and there are many in LA
(10:18):
get you can't compete in the West without a big camp.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
But we're also immediately having a reaction to this news
by saying that this was optioned in C or D
for them and it probably isn't going to work.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So but he is, Ayton is entertaining. He feels I
mean he is. If I told you on a nightly basis,
oh you've got to see this eight and dunk or this,
he'd be like, oh yeah. I mean he does feel
at times offensively like a star.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
No, listen, he has his moments. He's very talented, and
again he's not as bad as people have made him
out to be. The guy can if you can be
an eighteen and ten guy and go fifty eight percent
from the floor. That's that's that's something. Now it's not Luca,
but something.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
No, his problem has always been he views himself as
a twenty six and a half point a game guy.
Like he sees himself as like a like he feels
like he's he's never been given the respect he deserves.
But the truth is his coaches and teammates think he's
getting more than he deserves.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Right, Well, there was I always love the story of
Mario Chalmers on the Dwayne Wade Lebron Miami Heat, and
there was like, you know, not confirmed. It was like
urban legend that he was like, hey, why do you
never draw up the final player or the final shot
for me? He's like, you know, I've hit one of
I've hit a big shot or two in my career,
and it's like, Buddy, a shot for Kansas, we got Lebron.
(11:45):
You know, there can't be like an overinflated sense of self.
But I would hope that when DeAndre Ayton looks around
the huddle and he sees Luca and Lebron, he's not
going to be busting JJ Reddick like, hey, why aren't
you drawing up to play for me coach.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I do think what is interesting, and we had a
lot of things to talk about, but I was talking
to the staff before we did. This is most of
the time. If there's a sort of a trend in sports,
I love decoding it. It's one of my favorite things
to do. Like I've you know, I've got my theories
and beliefs. The NBA West is now so much better
(12:20):
than the East. It has been for thirty years, and
a lot of it's just because bad ownership in Charlotte
and Chicago and Atlanta and Washington. That's like the all
bad owner front office teams are all mostly out East.
The West, Denver and Houston now are capable of winning
the title. Okase just did. San Antonio is going to
(12:43):
make a huge leap. Minnesota's really really good. The Lakers
have Austin Reeves, Lebron and Luca, Golden State has Butler,
Draymond and staff, and the Clippers are viable. You could
argue all of those teams. I mean, the Warriors were
all plain team last year. All of them could compete
for the Eastern Conference Finals. I'm not sure they could
(13:03):
win it. I don't I don't think the Clippers could
win it. But it is interesting. The only thing I
can account for the dominance. It's like SEC times two.
Like the SEC had a twenty year run, but now
the Big ten feels as good or better. The West
is pulling away. Some of it's just Tatum and Haliburton's injuries.
(13:24):
My guess is its ownership stinks out East. That's I
mean the Knicks firing TIBs. I mean, any thoughts on
the domination. It's a winter league and the weather's better
out West.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
That's actually a piece of it, right, I think like
some of it is people want to go to La
that's two of the teams. The Warriors became a juggernaut,
world class organization, Silicon Valley business. That that's out Why
all these guys now have podcast companies and media company
is in all of that. Your your ownership point out
East is luck of the draw. Some of it is
(13:58):
lottery too, right, Like the Spurs won the lottery in
the web Vin Yama Year West, Dallas wins the lottery
in the Cooper Flag year West. You didn't mention Dallas
Dallas has Kylie, Anthony Davis and Cooper Flag.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
No, you're right, I forgot to put Dallas, and there's
six teams I love right exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So like so some of it is blind luck, some
of it is some of it is weather. And you know,
Miami has been an attractive destination and they're just a
little down right right now, right like they easily could
have gotten KD And I would not have loved the
Tyler Hero, Bamada Bayo, Kevin Durant Big Three as like
(14:40):
an NBA champion contender, but we certainly would have talked
about them as being viable in the Eastern Conference. And
this isn't what your main point was, but I'm gonna
bring it up anyway because I'm fascinated by it. I
think that what Milwaukee did make it made sense. I
know they're getting killed for it, but they were just
the five seed in the You are as much of
(15:02):
an NBA fan and historian as I am. Can you
think of because I have a period of time that
I'm thinking of where the gap between the best player
in a conference and the second best player in a
conference has been larger than what it will be next
year between Yannis and the second best player in the
(15:22):
East without Jason Tatum, because like second best player in
the East next year. Kate Cunningham, jal Bank, Carroll ban
Carrow Sure Jalen Brunson, like Yannis, is thirty, twelve and
six and still a top fifteen to twenty defensive player
(15:43):
in the league. And the only reason he's not top
five defensive leagu is because he's doing so much damn
work on offense. Like they were just the five seed,
they absolutely believe that they can win and they might
be dead ass wrong, and you know, they gave up
everything for Dame and Drew and Dan got hurt and
not like Miles Turner's game. But Milwaukee is saying, Yannis
(16:08):
gave us everything, including a title, and he wants to
beat Kobe. He wants to be Tim Duncan. He wants
to be here forever. So in the East, why can't
he grind us to fifty wins and the four seed
and his third MVP, which would be there's only nine
(16:29):
guys in NBA history who won three or more MVPs.
And like that season, even if it doesn't end in
a title, that's a season that Bucks fans would love.
Like that that that's a worthwhile exercise and professional sports entertainment.
I think if I think if the Bucks with Yannis
and the Dame injury and the salary cap situation and
(16:51):
the lack of draft picks, if they were New Orleans,
if they were in the West, they would trade Giannis.
But they look get it, and they say, we've got
the best player in the history of the franchise, the
peak of his powers, who wants to be here. He's
not looking for Miami or La or movie stardom or
anything like that. Like, Okay, fine, we'll stretch game and
(17:13):
we're going to just try to grind out as many
wins as possible. I think there's something admirable in it,
even if it won't end in a championship.
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Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, so I have the opposite take, which is it
is so hard. First of all, dynast street dynasties mostly
come in certain NBA cities, or when you have a
transformational player and he has a great coach like Duncan
and Pop Kerr, Katie Curry, you know Magic and Riley,
(19:13):
you know Lebron, Wade Spolstra, and so Milwaukee has never
gotten the coach right. And it's also not a desirable
area and in my life, and we're seeing it now
in the seventies and now we're seeing it over the
last seven years. It's just one. There's no great teams.
With the new CBA and aprons, there won't be. You
just can't do it. I mean, even a team I
like next year a lot Orlando, they may never win
(19:35):
a title. Just have a bunch of one A player
and a bunch of b plus a minus guys. But
in NBA history that sometimes one is enough. Think about
how good the Shack Penny, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott teams
were no titles. Think how good the Sacramento Kings were.
They couldn't get through the Lakers no titles. Is that
(19:58):
Luel Cinder got one, Yo Kich got one. My take
is okay, see won't win it next year. They're two
inconsistent offensively in Houston now and Denver and all these
teams in the West. They're just gonna chip away at everybody.
Is that if you win one and you have your honesty,
and you win one and you still have a wildly
productive player, but you can't get the coach right and
(20:21):
you get old really fast, which happened in Milwaukee three
years ago. Middleton, you know, lower body injuries. You're like, yeah,
this is getting old fast. Is that when you watch
the Rudy Gobert trade, I would have gone, oh, we
can get six unprotested, uncontested first round picks, an All
star and two rotational players. That I do think smaller markets,
(20:45):
the Orlandos and the Sacramentos, they hold on the stuff
because it's the big show in town. It's of mice
and men Lenny squeezing. They can't let go and it's like, guys,
you have been so old. Such a bad matchup against
younger athletic teams like Boston for three years. I mean,
(21:05):
I think people are forgetting they were favored over Indiana.
Indian it destroyed them.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
The games were competitive, Yeah, I mean, listen, I think
there is some truth to that. But there's also like
they've had bad injuries at bad times. Like I was
at Game one Bucks Heat and it was the one seedv.
The eight seed and they lose to Miami. Jannis falls
(21:34):
on his back in the playoffs, gets hurt. Isn't the
same guy the rest of this game. Dame hurt in
the playoffs but doesn't play this whole series. Middleton has
gotten hurt in the playoffs, like they I think they
like they got one and then they haven't won playoff
series since and were the national responses like, oh well
so then they haven't been close since. In Milwaukee E
(21:58):
They're like, well, we've also had that injury luck to
go along with it, and you're definitely right. They want
to hold on to it and it's the big game
in town. But has Utah won the Rudy go Bear trade?
Like the team that trades the superstar for the four
or five or six assets. There's now a lot of
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examples of it working out. It worked out in Oklahoma City.
They traded Paul George and they get SGA and a
draft pick that becomes Jalen Williams. But they also had
Sam Presty doing the trading and the drafting, and there
aren't many of those guys out there, Like, what's a
trade for Giannis where you're going to turn around and
be like, yup, the Bucks are going to be back
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in the NBA finals in three years? Okay, this is
the one.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
So kd shen Goon, I'm on temp Thompson don't win,
they get they don't even get to the finals. And
Kdi's one year older. And then Houston says for Tita says, okay,
we're going for it. Okay, we're going to go for it.
Shen Goon an All star for Yannis, Jabbari Smith, who's
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going to back up Katie this year?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And and and five unprotected first round picks and maybe
a deep bench rotational players. Now it's kd Aman, Thompson,
Jannis and other young guys. Oh I want to be
you want it? But if I'm Milwaukee, I get. I mean,
shen Goon's going to be a twenty four point game
guy for next to eight years. He's he's really beautiful player.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
So is demonis? What is he won?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Well? No, no, okay, okay, it's fair. It's fair. It's
hard than I get.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It's hard. My point. My point is it's I think
you're always going to lose on that trade. And even
if your point is okay, well, eighty cents on the
dollar is better than fifty cents on the dollar. There's
something too, and you I think we can be a
little national remove fandom live in a bunch of different places.
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There's something too. Yannis loving Milwaukee and Milwaukee loving Yannis.
He was Yes, he was the fifteenth pick in the draft.
He was a skinny kid from Greece and when he
came to Milwaukee. You can google the stories. The NBA
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was buying the arena back from the Bucks because they
were like yes, I remember, They're like, you need to
get public financing for your stadium where we are going
to move your team, And they got the financing, they
opened the building. Ownership says, this is a commitment to
show that we can build around and win with Yanis.
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They built a new practice facility, a beautiful new arena
and then he delivers a championship. And this is just
a silly anecdote that I happen to know just from
being in Chicago. But like Yanis, whenever he would come
and play the Bulls, he would go to You probably
know that you know Ovly the Greek restaurant.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
There's one in yes, yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
So the guy who owns it is lu canelis the
local sports anchor on the Fox affiliate in Chicago. He's
a restaurant tour also. It's probably his main business. By now,
there's there's one in There's there's like five locations, four
or five locations in and around Chicago, and there's one
in Milwaukee that Yannis. Everyone was like, oh, Yannis is
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gonna leave Milwaukee and go to the Bulls because he
wants to like have all the good Greek restaurants in Chicago.
And he's like, no, I'm just gonna open a good
Greek restaurant in Milwaukee. Like he he brought the Greek
food to Milwaukee, like the guy. It's a throwback man.
Like we said, like Steph Curry is the Warriors, it
would be weird if he played somewhere else. Tim Duncan
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was the Spurs, Kobe was the Lakers. Like, there's I
am just rooting for the purity of the fifteenth pick
in the draft who delivers the title to the wall Market.
And he's like, I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm not messing
with happy. I don't think it could. I don't think.
I think you're you like moving, you like La. You're
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like you're like I like London and LA and Europe
and backpacking and biking, and like you like moving around.
And I get it. But this guy, I think he
just likes Milwaukee. I think we projeest night, we project
onto Giannis would we we want Giannis to play for
a championship again.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
And he's like that's right.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
And he and I and he's like, why can't I
play for a championship here? And he's probably wrong. Yeah,
but he's probably wrong. But I think there's something admirable
in like the effort, like the tribe.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Okay, so you're more of a sports romantic.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I think I can be. Yeah, absolutely, I can't be.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
So so let's then segue to a topic I saw
this week. So this is something that I've never understood.
I don't understand the advantage of it. Back in the sixties, seventies, eighties,
and nineties, when the NFL, you literally could be average
at quarterback and win your division regularly. You ran the ball,
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you played defense. The NFL allowed all sorts of clutching
and grabbing and hitting late. I mean there's videos of
Joe Montana being slammed the turf, which would get you
thrown out for like six games. Now, so I never
understood snow games, but I do think there was an
era in which, if you were built right run game
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weren't great at quarterback defense, snow games were a little
bit of an advantage.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Okay, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Cleveland, the Cleveland Browns come out over the last week
and they're like, we're coming out with a new stadium,
and people are like, oh my god, there goes the
home field advantage. I'm like, you have a horror roble
home record over the last three decades. First, but my
takeaway is it's a quarterback league. Snow Brady is an
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exception that I would watch him and Manning play in
snow and I'm like, oh, Tom's winning the game. I
could tell him pregame they take that shot on CBS
and Manning would be freezing if box Probably Tom's winning.
It's over is that the snow game today? There's not
many of them, it feels like. But I think it's
always been completely overrated. There's a reason we play Bowl
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games in better weather. I don't want my football screwed
with by ice storms and sleet, and I think it
remains the most overrated thing in American sports, the snow
football game.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I want my games to be played like they are
supposed to be played. So I'm glad the super Bowl
is in a dome, right I do. But I like
December regular season games in snow. Like I think there
is something too, like lamb Like there's like some stadiums
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that should just be grandfathered in, Like Fenway is like
a little bit of a pain in the ass, but
you'd be bummed if they changed Fenway Wriggly. They've renovated
Wriglely and they've made it better with video boards and
accessibility and all that, but like that is still a
brick wall out there covered by ivy. It's not like
the most practical thing in the world. Right, Like if
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if Pete crow Armstrong, who's gonna be the starting center
fielder for the National League ran into the brick wall
and broke his shoulder. We would do the topic of like,
should there be a brick wall in center field? That's
pretty that's pretty dangerous, that's pretty archaic, but there's a
charm to it. It doesn't have to make sense Lambeau
(29:46):
Like if the so you'd say that the Packers should
put a roof on Lambeau Field.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
No, I think exactly exactly, Yeah, I mean, I think
green Bay is what green Bay is. I think it.
I think its history is the frozen tundra in Vince Lombardi.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Because it doesn't make any sense for an NFL team
to be in green Bay, Wisconsin. Right if we were
starting that's right, if we were starting the league tomorrow
from scratch and you picked thirty two cities, we wouldn't
pick green Bay. But we well it's it's but well,
we all agreed the NFL is better with green Bay existing.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
What what is laughable about the Bears is green Bay
is always drafted quarterbacks Farv Aaron and Love with above
average arms, and the Buffalo Bills with Jim Kelly and
Josh Allen understand the value of a whip in northern climates.
That's why it was always indefensible when Mitch Trubisky, who's
ball dyed twenty four yards down the field, was drafted
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by the Bears. It's like, is there a dome stadium
that was as agreed to that I'm not aware, Like
there's some teams that don't even understand there the web
are advantages this dome team draft Tua warm Weather, Tua.
If you draft them and cold, you're idiotic and should
be fired as general manager, right.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Right, Like the like the Yankees are going to be
in the market for every lefty slugger because they have
a short porch and right, you know what I mean,
there's there's there's something to do. But so I hear what
you're saying about outdoor stadiums. But it's like, if we
don't want Arrowhead to go away, and we don't want
Lambeau to go away, then like I understand Cleveland fans
pitching and moaning about the Dome too.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So the uh, there's there's a lot of different topics.
I think, can.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
We do a topic? I want to do a topic
your podcast want to do with top Yeah, congratulations on
making it to the Radio Hall of Fame. And you
can put this at the end, or you can scrub
it out entirely. I don't know, but I hope you don't.
But you have started and developed a very successful business.
(32:06):
You are a legend in the industry. You have conquered
multiple mediums. And I know that hall of fame talk
on talk shows? Is Pete Rosea hall of fame? Or
is it a museum? Is he a first ballid guy?
Is he overrated? Is he snowed? Will you admit that
it meant something to you?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Oh? God, sure, yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Like the radio purist in me, because I will always
consider myself a radio guy, and I know you're the same.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, I'm the same. It's so cool, it's so yeah,
it is congratulations, you know what. Oh, thank you very much.
So it's weird because, as my staff knows, I take
so much pride in topic selection, and I know the
audience doesn't care, you do, Nick does? I got some
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of the nicest note Joe Fortonbaugh old bosses, people that
love radio sent me the sweetest, kindest notes. Listen, I
was seven years old, rural. My mom got me a
transistor radio. You know, this was nineteen seventy two. Seventy three,
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there weren't that many games on TV. ESPN wasn't a thing,
and radio was my friend. I'm a rural like I
was eight miles from the closest friend, and I would
sit in our Frank Lloyd Wright house on the second
There was a picnic table in the back patio. I'd
get on it, go to the second floor, and for
some reason there was this weird vortex where all these
AM radio signals came in and I would sit there
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listening to baseball games and I heard Vin Scully when
I was eight on a scratch it was Kfire or
something in La whatever it was, and it was scratchy.
I would take notes, I would write down, I would
get names I was. You know, radio's always been something
I love. Now once I went to simulcast, I have
to play the TV a lot. That's the reality of it.
TV's bigger, Yeah, it's it's it's a huge deal. I
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don't get terribly emotional about stuff. I've seen everything now
at this point, but my wife knows how much it means.
You know, my friends know how much it means. It's
a big deal for me, and I don't want to
be self congratulatory, but yeah, for in my life, it's
been one of my.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Goals really, Okay, see I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
And the reason I didn't send you a text because
I knew I was already booked for this when the
news came out. I wanted to do it face to face.
But like, you inspired so many people of like Nick
and mis generation to do radio. And then Nick and
I would always joke and I think he said it
to you, and I'm not sure if I had, but been.
(34:48):
But you also kind of like ruined the next generation
of radio hosts because people would try to be you
and like try to do but your brain is so
singular in terms of the analogies and the comparisons, and
like it was an amazing thing. And then you would
hear people try to be you and it was like, no, man,
this is like a one of one talent that you've
crushed it in podcasting and TV and all that, but
like it was made for radio because the beauty of
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radio is that you've got the long runway. You've got
the runway to tell the story, to be personable, to
be vulnerable, to be circuitous if you want to to
talk about the fandom in LA of a LA person
and then relate that to why they can be savvy
with basketball but still care about start Like it's like
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it's perfect for radio, it's also perfect for podcasting. I
understand how podcast is kind of replaced radio, but it's
just you really deserve it and you. I don't know
how many more people in generations after you, if any,
will have a big impact on the genre of radio
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just because it's changed, Like it's you know what I mean,
Like there was gonna have to be like a podcasting
hall of Fame, like people younger than Colin Calvert that
made a real impact in radio. It's a short list,
man like, because it's just it's not as influential anymore, sadly,
and so like you are probably one of the last,
(36:15):
like truly radio titans. Other people will get in, like
they'll keep inducting people, But in terms of people who
meant more to the medium than you, there's not good.
There will be some who meant as much or like
we're on your level because I'm just not thinking of
the Like Ryan Seacrest, I don't know if he's in.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
He meant a lot to Yeah, right, you know what
I mean. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
There's probably a few more, but like you're one of
the last ones. Man like you meant a ton to radio.
So I just want to say congratulations.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Well, I appreciate that. I think sometimes I've told people before.
Growing up divorced by myself, my sister was five years older.
I wrote about it in my first book. I was
actually lucky. I had all the things needed to tell
good stories on the radio. I was by myself really
all the time. I can remember playing and I know
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I'm going on and on.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
About this and we can cut it, but don't, okay.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
So when I was a little kid, like like eight, nine,
ten years old, that kind of thing. In the mid seventies,
the Cincinnati Regire a great team and I love them.
And I can still give you the entire roster of
the Reds and the Dodgers, and I mean the infields
were legendary. Garvy and Lopes and Russell and Ron say Against.
You know, it's like, you know, Tony Perez and Joe
Morgan and Dave Conception and Pete Rose a third and
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I would do lineups and I would play wiffleball by myself.
So I would throw the ball up, hit it, and
I do remember there was a moment and I wrote
about this in the book that I was obviously bored
because we had these trees in right field, and I
had Saesar Geronimo, who I never saw hit a home run,
hit a home run in my mind in whiffle ball.
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I remember thinking I went and got the ball. And
I didn't have the self awareness before this. I was
probably nine or ten, and I thought, man, I'm alone
a lot. I'm alone a lot. And it really hit
me that I was talking to myself all the time,
and like out loud in the yard, like just talking
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to myself doing the games. And so when people have
ever asked me, you know, you kind of talk to
yourself a lot, and I'm like, like, like, Larry King
want the late Larry King once came up and he goes,
how do you talk to yourself three hours a day?
I said, you should hear the other fourteen I said, Larry,
this is just what I've been doing since I've been
like six or seven, because I grew up really by myself.
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My sister was five years older, so you know, she's
out of high school all the time. I get into it.
Fourteen year old girls don't want to hang out with
nine year old boys like nine year old.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Boys to hang out with fourteen year old girls.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
So so a lot of the things in my life
growing up in the middle of nowhere, I think probably
this manufactured this kind of odd talking to yourself personality
that works.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, well no, and and that makes perfect sense too.
Why you've never really I mean obviously you know J
Mac and whatever, But like, also why you been a
solo act? It's hard to do? Yeah, Like it's it's
you know what I mean, Like, I take a lot
of pride in being able to do it. Solo radio
is hard. It's it's a hard thing to do.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
So here's here's an interesting one. I'll throw this at you.
So if you took I think there's three hundred and
sixty Division one men's programs, as far as I can
tell men's basketball programs, a woman's never coached them. In
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the history of the NBA. There's never been a head
coach of an NBA team. I guess if you went
and found the top twenty five boys basketball team, they're
probably coached by guys. Now, obviously men coach women all
the time. You know, we see that WNBA, we see
it in college, high school, whatever, but it doesn't go
the other way. The door doesn't open the other way.
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So when Donald Staley got talked about for the Knicks,
and I've thought about this before, I've thought about I
think it would actually potentially work. Now, New York's not easy.
It's a relentless media that just ran Tibbs out of
the building. It's like, I think New York wouldn't. I
wouldn't want that to make the test case for it.
(40:34):
Can we go to you know, can we go to Orlando?
Can we go somewhere where the media is not as
loud and relentless and brutal. But when I thought about
Don Staley, I thought, well, tis just they just had
the best season in twenty five years. Going to Don Staley.
It's a little odd for that situation in this organization.
But I do think, like Becky Hammond has been discussed,
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and I think about it because and one of the
reasons being is like, if you picked the sport in
the world and you said, like soccer and women's basketball,
Caitlin Clark can make shots that NBA players cannot make consistently.
She is a better shooter than half the NBA. I'm
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I'm absolutely sure of it. And I do think when
you watch women's soccer, not as good as the men,
but we've had so much success in the country. But
I do think that there's something about basketball and that
you are seeing. I remember watching Maya Moore and thinking
she can make a Division one team. My horse Cheryl
Miller and make a Division one team, do you believe?
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I do think there will be a female NBA coach eventually,
and I think part of it is that women's basketball.
Caitlin Clark's a great example. She's doing things I have
never seen me. Would you want Miles Turner taking a
thirty three foot shot? No?
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Is it better shooter than half the NBA?
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah? So okay. I think these are two separate points.
When I was reporting Pipeline of the Pros, the book
that I wrote about the D three coaches and players
who made their way to the NBA coaches and executives,
you know, you talked to a lot of coaches and executives,
both the D three people and then the people who
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hired them and helped them kind of break in and
one of the lines of questioning that I would ask
the Jeff van Gundies, the Stan van Gundyes of the world,
was like, what's it like being you the five foot nothing,
one hundred and nothing, you know, white slub and trying
to get Patrick Ewing's respect? Like, what's that like? And
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there are there were some great stories of being tested
and being doubted, but almost universally there was just a
through line was even if you were doubted, or if
you were tested or if you know, Tylu didn't have
to clear that hurdle because they knew that he knew
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it because he had played. All these players wanted you
to you to be able to prove to them was
can you help them get better? Yep, that's simple. It
was because that can get them their next contract, It
can extend their career, It can help get them a ring,
it can get them a legacy, it can get them
that had their jersey retired, It can get them a
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media career at like whatever it is, right like it
can a good coach can level you up a little bit.
And so I don't think it's ridiculous at all. And
if Don Staley got the next job, I completely agree
with you. There would have just been an extra level
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of the circus because of James Dolan, James Dolan, Tibbs,
the first woman New York, the media market, the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
But that may be the toughest job in the league, honestly,
no doubt.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
I completely agree with you. But I also don't think
that don Staley is the only woman who is capable
of doing it. So like say it did happen, and
then say she failed. I don't think that would like
set back the idea of it twenty years. Like there's
more than thirty competent coaches who could coach NBA teams, right,
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you know, there just is. And so some of it
is opportunity, some of it's you host a podcast with Lebron.
Some of it's just like these owners lack creativity and
they keep hiring Doc Rivers and like, you know, like
whatever it is, there's a lot of different reasons why
the people who get the jobs get the jobs. But
someone will do it, yeah, and then it will work,
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and then five or six women will be coaching in
the NBA, and someone will right, the wow, there's all
these d three people coaching in the NBA. How the
hell did that happen? And then someone will write that book.
You know, I don't think it is going to be.
It hasn't happened, and it's a little ridiculous that it hasn't,
but it's going to happen because there's also Yeah, there
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were really talented female assistant coaches on not every statue
in the league, but a huge percentage of like shooting coaches,
advanced scouts, like most teams have a woman somewhere in
the first or second row of their bench at this point. So, yeah,
basketball is so much closer to it than football.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Well and also, and I know there'll be somebody listening
to this thinking, oh, it's woke. The truth is the
NBA is a more progressive league. So if any league
was going to do it, it would be the NBA. Yeah,
and they talk more politics than any league. That's just
the history of the league.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah. And I also, I'm just I'm so sick and
tired of being policed by people being like, oh, that's
a woke thought, Like it's it's not a pejorative. Shut up.
I don't I don't care. I don't care like you
did the Okay, fine, fine, make your comment on your
(46:14):
on your block. Oh it's a woke thought that a
woman could teach about the drop coverage in a I'm
not asking her to do a three sixty dunk, like
I'm not asking her to guard Lebron Like like if
you've seen again like stan Van Nundy, there's this crazy
video of people should watch it of him doing like
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a little dribble combo move and he like goes between
the legs, between the legs and behind the back and
and he's just like messing around before a practice and
it went viral and it got like millions of views,
and they were like, how does the like short, fat
white guy know how to dribble a basketball? And it's like, well,
he played like Lai d three ball like he can.
His mind was a better teacher of basketball than his
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athleticism allowed him to do it. But he right cross
the threshold. We're like, well, he could play at a
high enough level to know enough about the game to
be able to speak to players clear.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
And the truth of the same thing, how many great
players in any sport have been great coaches. The truth
of the matter, it's often somebody who has played the
sport a little men or women, but have this sort
of they were a utility infielder in baseball, they were
you know, I mean, it's like the truth is coaches
usually have to you have to get respect from players
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because like Larry Bird is the rare legend who coaches
and you're like, oh, he's competent, that's rare. So you
always have to get buy in from players in all sports.
Like Mike Rabel physical you get buy in one of
the smartest, but it looks like he can beat up
half the team, like there's a physical presence with Rabel,
like he gets immediate buying. Mike McDaniel, though, ill argue
this all day. Mike McDaniel had to convince those guys
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he looks like a sports writer. He's snarky and funny
like a writer. Like he doesn't walk into a room
of fifty five alpha male and there's like complete buy in.
I guarantee you he thought a lot about that in football,
especially because it's a size league.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah, of course, And but like in basket like you're
the only comment in here that I was like, I'm
not even sure, like like I don't know what Maya
War's level would have been because you don't see like
Caitlin Clark playing in pickup games with Kevin Durant in
the off prison right like right, like we're not we're
not anywhere close to a woman playing in the NBA, right,
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But coaching, Yeah, that's not that that's not a leap
to me in any way, Like it they already do,
Like they already coach in the NBA right now, So
like to be the head coach is not some sort
of crazy thing for me to wrap my mind around.
And my understanding is it's not a crazy thing for
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players to wrap their mind around either, as long as
you can have. One assistant coach described it to me
as like they just want to know that you have.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
The n of the test yep.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Yeah, like like they there was like a hand signal
that a point guard was calling out and Lebron looked
to this assistant coach and the assistant coach didn't have it,
and he said it ruined like his month because he
felt like he had like let Lebron down. He didn't
have the scout the signal on the scouting report, and
he was a new coach on the staff and he
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felt like he had to like earn his trust back
and like they talked about it afterwards and it was
this whole big thing, and he's like, I felt like
he was testing me. He wasn't. He was just asking
what the call was from the other team of the
scouting report. But like, there's no doubt that that's going
to happen in basketball, because of course a woman could
pass that test, no question.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
You know what's funny. Maybe we can end it here
because I've always thought this funny, like sports is always
trying to kind of manufacture parody. You know, you win,
you you when you win, you know, you get the
last draft pick, and there's limitation. You know, the lottery
is set up to you know, even though the number
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one team doesn't win, it's usually like the fourth or
fifth best odds win. A bad team gets good players.
I think a lot of times the media. The two
things the media does that I kind of roll my
eyes at. They make everything feel like the end of
the world. I mean, people have to remember I'm old enough,
I don't remember this, but I remember my dad and
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mom and people talked about this. In the sixties, our
president was assassinated, so is his brother, so was MLKA,
middle of a Vietnam war, and by seventy two earned
Watergate you think we have casts now with tariffs, like
folks like the media tends to make every current bit
(50:46):
of turbulence seem like I mean, I thought our COVID
coverage it was okay for about two months because it
was new. We didn't know what was happening. But it
did get to a point after about six months, we're
not all going to die that this like there was
there was pretty odvious stuff that that we were saying
that kids were safe, you could go to school. It
(51:07):
was mostly seventy five and older, like like in the
in the media for about two years, the stories were
it was relentless run for your life. So that's my
first thing that drives me nuts. It's that we have
to be a little less hyperbolic. And I think about
this all the time as a sports guy. The second
thing is they can be nia, we can be naive
a little bit, and so I remember when these the
(51:29):
media can be like, guys, you're being idealistic. And I
understand the media is young and hopeful, but when the
NIL came out, I can remember a lot of these stories,
and I can remember fans doing this. You know what.
Finally Purdue can compete and now because everybody said, anybody
can transfer. You won't have to sit behind Ohio State's
(51:50):
left tackle. You can go. And I look at today
Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia. Is that I think the
NIL and transfer portal are fascinating. One players needed to
be paid, and two I think the transfer portal. I
(52:10):
think you should have to wait eighteen months to transfer,
like I think you should be able to transfer two
or three times. You can't keep transferring. Don't tell me.
Coaches do Power five coaches don't transfer every six weeks.
That's not the way it works. But I guess my
point is, do you do you love college sports less
now that money is involved? Because I have friends who
(52:32):
are like, I hate the NIL. My take is, yeah,
when the Huskies end up in the playoff, you'll be
watching when Washington's facing Notre Dame. Don't tell me that,
but I hear this all the time. NIL transfer Portal's
ruined it for me. Yeah, I don't, No, I don't.
I mean they were getting paid before. There's just like
(52:53):
I remember the point guard of the Syracuse basketball team
when I was there, driving like a Dodge Charger that
was all souped up.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Then I was like, how where did that come from?
You know what I mean, how did that happen? And
so you know, it's just that part never bothered me.
I think what is dumb about it is that we
went from guys getting suspended for selling their sugar bowl
(53:24):
jersey and that was the biggest terrelle prior the biggest
story in the world.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
I remember that and right.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
And now it's like, oh, this guy got four million
trans and it's like, well, wait what And I have
no problem get go get your money. But I they
because they had their head in the sand for so long,
and they just let it be the wild West for
(53:52):
so long, and they fought against unionization, and they fought
against revenue sharing, and they fought against it's the video
game and like all of the things that just like, wait,
I can I can buy a Syracuse fifteen jersey, but
it can't say Anthony on the back, and so like
Mellow doesn't get a piece of the cut, like what
(54:14):
like like it was just so stupid for so long
that now the only thing that bothers me about it
is that it's not that it's so far the other way,
but it's like people like, oh that Cooper Flagg made
twenty million dollars in name, image, and likeness last year,
and it's like, can you prove that? Like I wish,
(54:34):
I wish there was like a I like that, I
know what Aaron Rodgers signed for. I like that I
know what Lebron gets paid. Like I there's a salary gap.
It makes it easy to fund find and follow, and
you can play GM and Fantasy Football and trades and
Dynasty Mode in that and like a lot of us
like following sports from like the GM perspective of it,
(54:58):
because we never had any chance to be the quarterback
of the team. And now it's just like who's paying
for the point guard? It's it's under Armour, or it's Nike,
or it's a car dealership. Like it's just I wish
that there was more transparency in how it all worked,
as opposed to like, oh, arch Manning has a reported
(55:20):
six million dollar ANIL deal and it's like, well, who's
reporting it from? Where is it a booster? Is it
a sponsor? Like I just wish that it was more
transparent so that we could follow it and understand it more.
Georgia has fifty million dollars in their fund perdue has
six million in there. That's really impressive that Perdue is
(55:41):
able to be the Billy Bean Oakland Athletics of the
Big ten and like punch above their weight class and
compete with Ohio State. But we're just in the dark
on all of the money of it, like we always were, frankly.
But it's like they're trying to tell us, oh, yeah,
now they're getting paid and it's all above board, but
it's clearly still not. And I don't know if I'm
(56:03):
rambling here a little bit or if you're following what
I'm saying. No, no, no, but it's like we need
to have a happy medium. But there's clearly billions of
dollars and more of it is going to the players,
and that's good, but it's not regulated in any way
that makes sense, and it's not regulated in any way
that a fan can realistically follow. And so I think
(56:27):
that that It doesn't make me like it less, but
it makes me understand it less. Like why did this
player transfer there? Why are they leaving after one year?
How much money are they getting? Oh I would transfer
there too, if maybe they were giving me four million
dollars in this place is only giving me one million dollars,
but I want that to be above board and reported
with some level of accuracy, and I feel like it's
(56:50):
not at all.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
Yeah, the the thing about the one thing I'll say
about the transfer portal, I think Jay Billis is a
really smart guy. I think he's really wrong on one
thing when he says, well, coaches can transfer, why can't players?
And my take is because Eric Shanks is responsible for
all of Fox Sports, I'm just responsible for my show.
A coach isn't a player. A coach is responsible for
(57:13):
the staff, the brand, the name, the players, responsible for himself.
So in the end, if a coach gets bought out,
if the athletic department like makes him pay some money
back and he leaves, that's not a player leaving. Let's
I mean people and bosses i've had at the big
companies I've worked at have pensions that I'm not allowed
(57:35):
to get. I'm just an employee their management. So the
only thing I hear about, well, well, players, you know,
coaches do that. Coaches are management. Management's different. Management has
things they will never let you see. There are documents
that management has at Fox Sports. I don't get to
see where they're going, what they're doing what corner's coming up,
(57:56):
the contract negotiations. Players don't get to see everything coaches do.
You don't get all the information, you don't have to
balance the budget, you don't have to be a capologist.
So that my thing on I don't believe players should
be able to just transfer constantly. I think like every
eighteen months that'll give you two transfers. Basically, if you
stay for four or five years, you get two transfers
(58:17):
outside of your initial signing. But I think I think
sign transfer trans.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
I think that's reasonable. I think that if you if
you're a kid who's going to a college because the
coach recruited you, and then the coach leaves, I also
think that should open you up. So if I sign
on to play college football, yeah Onnson and Davo and Davo,
and then Dabo decides to leave, Like, I think that.
I think that that is a reasonable thing for a
(58:43):
kid to be able to say, well, wait, I signed
on to play for this coach and now this coach
is not there anymore, So I want to be able
to move. But also kids should be able to go
to college where they want to.
Speaker 1 (58:57):
For the most part, right, Yeah, I think again. I
think you have to have guardrails on everything. Yeah, I
think just everything needs guardrail. AI AI needs it, the
Internet needs it, like it. I don't think it's crazy.
I've said this before. Canada's got certain restrictions, like you
(59:17):
have to on a Canadian radio station play Canadian artists
a percentage of the time. I've never thought it's crazy
to restrict some of the things allowed on the Internet.
Every other country does, like to just say, hey, listen,
we're not going to allow like blank blank blank, like
like heavy violence on it. We're not going to allow that.
I don't think. I don't think I'm punitive or ultra conservative,
(59:41):
like there's crap in the internet kids shouldn't see. And
if we can't tell, you know, parents, some parents at
six let their kids get on the internet, Well then
we shouldn't. We should have things that are completely absolutely restricted.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Yeah, reasonable restrictions for the right. There's a reason why
there are seatbelt laws because it's a good idea right.
It's a good idea to right to protect people from themselves,
et cetera. I know I had no problem with that,
but I just like the U asked, like, does it
make me like it less. It doesn't make me like
it less. It makes me resents the leadership a little
(01:00:14):
bit more because I feel like this could have been
done twenty years ago, like in partnership with the players. Oh,
you guys want to be in a video game and
have your name in there and get a little bit
of money, and like we could have like eased into
this as opposed to going from nothing to everything all
at once. And now it's just very messy and very confusing,
(01:00:39):
and high school kids have agents and it just you know,
it just does. It's just it went. It went so
far so fast that I feel like it needs to
come back a little bit, not in terms of like
make less money, but in terms of to your point,
regulation it needs to just make a little bit more
sense as a system for the best terment of everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Danny Parkins, Okay, we rambled for an hour. We landed
on a couple of topics. I liked it. It was fun.
Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Yeah, I never know. I don't prep these at all.
Can't you tell you don't tell me what's going to happen.
You can just talk for an hour.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Clearly I don't either.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Congratulations again, Colin, seriously.
Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
All right, thanks Danny, Thanks Buddy. The volume
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