Colin Cowherd, John Middlekauff and Danny Parkins discuss the first round of the NFL Draft. What are realistic expectations for Caleb Williams and the Bears in his rookie season. Was Rome Odunze the right pick for the Chicago Bears at #9. Can Bears make the playoffs? Colin, John and Danny react to the NFL draft and give their takes about your favorite NFL teams pick. #Volume #Herd #3AndOut
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Speaker 2 (01:32):
All right, do we want to bring Danny Parkins into
Talk Bears. Let's bring Danny in from Chicago. Danny is
the most talented young broadcaster I think of the country
doing radio. Buddy and Nick Wright introduced me years ago.
Like Nick Wright has a borderline gambling problem. That's why
I love him. I say that as borderline is time
that the problem is with the casinos and the books,
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because he actually wins. He comes from a math family,
so Danny. First of all, I was surprised. I thought
I thought they would defense Danny with the pick because
the defensive coach. Coaches can pound the table and kind
of get Usually, you know, they make two to three
times what a coach does. But Ryan Poles has so
much steam now, so much momentum. Eber Flus doesn't so
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my take by getting Roma Donze, that's a Ryan Poles call.
That's my take.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Years one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
When Ryan Poles was here, when he got hired, people
were asking him about team building philosophy, and he said,
remember where I came from, and that's Kansas City. Because
he got criticism for his first draft where he didn't
have a first round pick, taking Kyler Gordon and Jaquan
Brisker with his two second round picks, and I criticized
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him for not taking a receiver in George Pickens with
the Jaquan Brisker pick, and he said, remember where I
came from, which he was basically saying I didn't think
anyone there was the right guy to take, but I'm
not going to not support the quarterback. He traded for Slaypool.
It didn't work. He trades the number one pick he
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wants DJ more attached to it. It does work. He
trades a fourth round pick for Keenan Allen, he's one
of the most consistent players in the NFL. And then
the ninth pick overall comes up and he makes what
I thought was the obvious pick if he was on
the board, and he gives Joe Burrow his Jamar Chase.
You know, these guys have a rookie contract timeline that
are completely aligned. I know Burrow and Chase wereing back
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to back drafts, but the idea is the same, to
get Caleb Williams a weapon that he can grow and
develop with.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I'm ecstatic.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
This is modern offensive football finally coming to Chicago for
the first time in my lifetime.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Whaty nuts?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
John and I were talking about this. When is the
last rookie quarterback that got this? This is insane.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Gerald Everett's a throw in. He was the Chargers' best
tight end, highly productive. Well, we've never seen it for
a number one overall pick quarterback. We've definitely never seen
it for that.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Herbert had a very good situation in LA with Keenan
Allen and Mike Williams, and you know, he was supported
with Austin Eckler and Corey Linsley at center and Rashaun
Slater at tackle, and he set the rookie record for
passing touchdowns with thirty one. So we have never seen
it for a number one overall pick to have this
type of nest to come into and develop, and if
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I may for a second, because Colin, you and I
talked about this on the show about like how Chicago's
a place where they've never had offensive success and quarterback
and goes to die and all of that stuff, and
that cynicism that Bears fans is well earned. The amount
of luck that led to this moment is just staggering.
Week eighteen, two years ago, the Bears needed the Texans
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to beat the Colts, and Davis Mills led a fourteen
play drive where he converted a fourth and ten and
a fourth and twenty on the same drive and then
a two point conversion to give them the number one
pick in the Bryce Young Draft. They then trade the
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number one pick to the Panthers. The Panthers then have
to be so bad and they lost four of those
games by only three points to give them the number
one pick to be in this position to get Caleb Williams.
So the stars are finally aligning in Chicago to be
set up at quarterback and have a good offense and
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potentially a great offense for literally the first time in
my lifetime with any consistency.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
So Minnesota trades up twenty three to seventeen, Jacksonville slides back,
Minnesota selects Dallas Turner. So ten minutes ago, John and
I sort of guessed we predicted we would go on
a defensive run here. So since latou La two goes
to Indy Byron Murphy, the small but explosive defensive tackle
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a Longhorn goes to Seattle, it's a real need. Minnesota
smartly moves up. So you know, Minnesota moved up just
a little to get JJ McCarthy. Boy, this division's got
this division's got good personnel that this division is freaking ridiculous.
You can do a Pro Bowl, offensive Pro Bowl with
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the NFC North that can beat the league. I seriously
believe that.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I well, Danny, that's yeah. That's my thing with the Bears.
I mean, we're all in love. I mean, how could
you not be what they've done. It's not the Packers.
We know if that quarterback he's playing, they're gonna be good.
You'd assume their defense can't be as shitty as it's been.
And the Lions honestly should have beat the forty nine Ers,
should have been the Super Bowl. So it's you could
have an excellent, improved team and still be the third
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best team in that.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Division very I mean it could. It could be a
ten win team gets third place in this division. It
could be. It could be three playoff teams that come
out of the North.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Honestly, I I think Minnesota and chicag will battle for
a wildcard spot. I think Detroit still as the best roster.
I think Green Bays is young, not as good as Detroit's,
but it's pretty damn interesting offensively. The Packers defense never delivers.
I couldn't say the last year I thought great defense,
it just doesn't. The Aaron Rodgers year it was pretty good.
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But they Green Bay does offense better than anybody. They
can't get the defense right, even though they draft it
in the first round historically almost every year. So Dallas Turner,
that was there night.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Do you know what I wonder with Poles? And I
wonder if Poles may say this tonight in his press conference,
because you hit on the Claypool situation. I mean, they
missed badly on character. And like you said, he came
from around Ballard and Andy. I mean they value character
pretty high with their high end guys. I wonder if
they would have taken Rome over neighbors like Rome was
the second wide receiver on their board. It wouldn't shock
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me with that at all because his character, from what
I was told is elite.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yeah, Brock.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Heword told me that he's one of the two favorite
players that he's seen at Washington and being about on
the program in about twenty years. And you know what's
crazy too, They they kind of telegraphed it, not the Bears,
but Caleb. Like it came out the other day that
Tom Pelsaro had it that Roma Dunzay was working out
with DJ Moore Keenan Allen with Caleb Williams throwing them
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the ball. Caleb and Rome were on the same flight
from LA to Detroit for the draft. Caleb put on
Instagram a couple hours before the draft how much he
liked Roma Dunzay's outfit.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
So I think it might.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
I think it might come out because I mean they've
been doing install with Caleb Williams, Like, I mean, this
has been locked up for eight weeks, that Caleb's going
to be a Bear. It wouldn't shocked me at all.
If Ryan Poles admits that he asked Caleb Williams for
input on who he wanted them to take at number nine,
and so yeah, the character part for Poles, sure, but
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it would not surprise me at all if Caleb Williams
had at least a say in Roma Dunsay being a
bear I saw.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I've been told this by multiple scouts and gms in
the league that this is the most talented top of
a draft in years. Brock Bowers goes thirteen, the best
run blocking offensive tackle in years, goes fourteen to the Saints.
Byron Murphy goes sixteen. Dallas Turner, who was considered a
top eight pick, goes seventeen. Guys for years, Danny, I've
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always been told by scouts a good draft, you'll have
seventeen to eighteen first round players and then it's death Valley.
I was told this year it was nineteen to twenty. God,
I'm amazed. My guess is Cincinnati's next guys. I think
they go wide receiver. You got a defense? Oh no,
they went and got a Marius Mims. This is the
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first pick I have real questions with not a ton
of starts. If listen, somebody's gonna bust in the first
eighteen picks. This one scares me.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
I'm gonna most of the guys will bust, multiple guys
will bust in the first eighteen picks. I mean, don't
you think this is maybe just Joe Burrow needs to
be healthy in order for us to be good.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Like with Joe, the.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Bengals love the high weight speed guys too. You know,
this guy's got eight starts or whatever, a little bit
of a fly you know. I wouldn't say a flyer
because it comes from Georgia, but pretty risky, but that's
kind of their history.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
They take some risks, we yeah, but when Burrow is healthy,
they win, for sure, win big so so I mean,
I know everybody apparently want you know, Hendrickson wants to
be traded and uh t Higgins wants to be traded,
and guys are getting out of there because you can't
pay everybody. But I'll roll the dice with a healthy
Joe Burrow and a healthy Jamar Chase and so if
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this pick helps keep them upright, that's that's not the
worst thing in the world. The run on offensive players
was just remarkable, Like we knew, we knew it was
gonna be the top seven. We're like, oh, maybe it'll
be the top nine, but what it was the top
Top fourteen, top right, top fourteen picks.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You have to wonder if it's gonna start being a trend,
you know, with the way college football is much more offensive.
I mean, Ohio State, a historic program, is an offensive program.
Now Alabama now would do bor gonna beat Lean more offense.
George is probably the last of a dying breed. Even
Brian Kelly look at him, Jaden Daniels, Moleague neighbors. I mean,
it's just wonder if this is kind of where we're
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headed as a as a well sport.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
There's two quarterbacks Shahdor Sanders will go very high next year.
I do think cam Ward at Miami's a fascinating player.
Saw a ton of them at Washington State. He is
really electric. There's a third quarterback. Is the Georgia kid
is I think is he eligible? He's I don't I
worry about Georgia.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
They literally play with like it's twenty eight NFL guys.
You know, it's like I just don't. It's like JJ McCarthy, Jesus,
did you ever trail did you ever not have a
third and two? I mean when was third and fourteen?
I mean that's like the league.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I mean JJ McCarthy went a half without being asked
to throw a football.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
He was Jimmy Garoppolo of college football.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
There's a stat that he only threw the ball and
I'm I'm this is top of the head, like he
only threw the ball on third down like thirty four
times the whole seas or something. I looked at the
stat and I'm like, oh no, that's not the NFL's
that's like, well, i mean Alabama quarterbacks, Georgia quarterbacks historically,
and that Michigan team when you hit eighteen pro players, Like,
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that's why I've defended Michael Pennix Danny with Michigan. I'm like,
do you know how many good quarterbacks look bad? During
that fifteen year Alabama Nick Saban defensive run like Cennicks
was great. I watched him twice against Oregon, like he
was exceptional. Michigan beat CJ. Stroud, So like, I'm I'm
gonna give you Michigan, you were overwhelmed. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
The Pennix thing. I'm sure you guys talked about it
a ton. It's obviously the biggest surprise pick of the
draft so far. Brian Baldinger set up to me on
the show. He was like, I hear Atlanta's taken a
QB and that they love Penix. This was like ten
days ago, and I thought it was the dumbest thing
I had ever heard, because they gave Kirk Cousins one
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hundred million. The last three first round picks are skill
position guys. The defense is pretty good, but go go
try to win a division and get a piece for
right now. But I wonder if they're saying we are good,
Cousins is gonna make us better and so we're not
going to be picking in the top ten for the
next couple of years. So Michael Pennix will learn from
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Kirk Cousins, and we'll have an elite quarterback prospect learn
from Cousins, and then they'll never have to pick in
the top ten again for the next decade.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Denny. Basically, they're saying, we're gonna do a Green Bay Packer.
We're just gonna this is who the guy.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yeah, because Penex I thought was ready to play ay
one because of his age, but they're gonna make him
sit for two years at least.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
My guess is he sits for a year ult.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
So well, what Dred million guaranteed your cousin.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
But I know, but they're not paying anybody offensively they've
I mean, if that's why they went in free agency
and can get a Rondelle Moore, they can go get
players they don't have. I mean, Jarrett the defensive lineman's
making money. They're not paying I mean, they had so
much money for Kirk, They're not paying very many people.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I wonder if that owner got so scarred after watching
the quarterback play these last two years and says, under
no circumstances, after dealing with Matt Ryan for a decade,
are we ever dealing with this again? So not only
was he behind it, I wonder if he kind of
pushed for it, like just double down on this position
because watching Desmond.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Rittoral always have a succession plan, that's interesting, that's possible.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I mean, that would be an ownership thing.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
And Rohie Morris I was telling Colin think two years
ago had a front row seat. Stafford went down and
the whole season got derailed. And now Cousins coming off
an Achilles. Now it's an expensive Achilles, one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
But still, Danny, we said this Raheem was a head
coach got fired, why quarterback? He goes to LA he
becomes Sean mcvay's best friend. McVeigh is in his ear saying, dude,
you're gonna get another job, but let me just tell you,
we upgraded off a super Bowl quarterback. You cannot be
good enough or deep enough at quarterback. And I do
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think Raheem is one of these. You know, these defensive
coaches wear me out, But I do think Raheem I've
been told. I mean, he is quick. He is also
kind of a progressive. He's not one of these, Like
you know, I watched Pittsburgh Steelers offense sometime. I'm like,
can you guys run motion? I mean what it looks like.
I'm watching the NFL network in the eighties. It's like
there are these defensive coaches, Pete Carroll, I'm like, can
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you can you get an offensive line?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Pete McDermott, they couldn't get a run game for seven years.
Raheem's not that guy. He's got a little bit. I'm
trying to think Demiko Ryans is the same. He's a
defensive coach coming from an offensive culture, and I think
it matters. I think Kyle Shanahan. Demiko comes out and says,
I get the league, and I think Raheem Morris says,
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I get the league. I'm with McVeigh those guys. By
the way, has anybody on mcvay's tree not work yet?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Right? Which is?
Speaker 5 (16:15):
I mean, that's why I wanted the Bears to fire
eber Fluse and hire someone better than Shane Waldron, although
he is saying kind of he's on the tree as well.
He's an old passing game coordinator.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
There.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Offense is the way of the league, and obviously if
you hit it quarterback, it's never a bad pick. It's
just a shocking allocation of resources with to draft the
old quarterback with the injuries in terms of a draft prospect,
when you just signed the old quarterback coming off of
the big injury like this is a very unconventional thing,
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at least with Jordan Love. It had worked for the
franchise before and they thought Rogers was done, but then
Rogers shocked him and won a couple of MVPs. Kirk
Cousins hasn't played a game for the Falcons and they
drafted his replacement.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Okay, Danny Parkins has a book pipeline to the pros.
It's outstanding. Also, Danny Parkins and Spiegel. It's Chicago. It's
a big radio hit. I can't believe we got you.
It's nine to seventeen. You have a family and young children, Hollin.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I'm in Detroit. It's ten seventeen. I'm in Detroit to
see the Bears get Caleb Williams and Rome with Tunde.
I left my four year old and two year old
to my wife in Chicago. I'm here for the party,
my man, I can Colin.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
The Bears just won the twenty twenty seven Super Bowl tonight,
come on.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Yeah, I'm texting.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
I'm texting Nick Wright, taunting him that there's no shame
in Patrick Mahomes losing to Tom Brady and Caleb Williams
and Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Okay, like, I'm here as long as you listen.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
If you guys want to get back to the twenties
of the draft, I'm good to go.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
But my god, thank you for having me on. But yeah,
to trust me.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Okay, one more Danny, We're gonna keep you for one
more pick because okay, this is great. And by the way,
and I've said this before with Danny, he is so
talented at what he does. And Nick Wright introduced me
to him years ago, and he and Nick have this
poker brain that they can do math very quickly in
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their head. And so I say this as we build
out our gambling vertical at the volume, Danny's going to
be a free agent. He's going to be like Danny's
going to be, He's going to be Kirk Cousins is
that he's a nice guy. And you know people are
going to say, well, you know Danny Parkins, and then
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you're going to look up and he's going to have
forty two touchdowns and seven picks, and he's going to
go forty two and eight. How were you this year?
By the way, with your picks?
Speaker 4 (18:43):
I started fifteen and oh against the spread on the
air in the NFL documented true story started fifteen and
oh against the spread on.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
The Jason McIntyre's on a heater on NBA. I think
he's eleven and one.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
It's the greatest feeling in the world when you when
you feel like you're in the zone. It's you feel
so much smarter than you are. And I like, had
our social media guy cut the whole thing together and
put it out. I'm like, I'm not getting nearly enough
attention for go at fifteen to oh, and then I
promptly went zero and six.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Okay, Jared Verse, I told you John Middlecoff Jared Verse
to the Rams. So this is a position of need.
And I had said this earlier. I was on the
air today when Diana Russini said the Rams were thinking
of moving up, and I said, it's got to be
Brock Bauers or Jared Verse. I knew they liked Jared
Verse a lot, so I watched them at Florida State. Now,
the competition wasn't as good as the SEC, but I
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thought he was more dominant than when I was Dallas Turner.
I that was my take. Now he wasn't late too
late to the UCLA kid. That kid's just a best
pass rusher on the draft. But this is a real
position of needs. So now they have a second and
two thirds, they're gonna they're gonna they want to running
back a receiver in a defensive tackle. So Jared Verse
I actually watched some of because Florida State was a
pretty good football team. This kid starts day one opposite
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of young who they picked up last year from Tennessee.
So the Rams had two third round picks last year.
They both hit on the defensive line. They go back
to the defensive line. Start with you. John thoughts on this.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Well, they lost Aaron Donald, so you need to get
some push in the pocket. The other thing is losing
Aaron Donald. I mean, they were right there with Detroit
easily could have won the playoff game. Think who you
gotta play? The Niners, Kyle Shanahan party, you got Ben Johnson,
Jared Goff and the Lions, Danny's Caleb Williams and the Bears,
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Jordan Love, you know, Dak and Jalen Hurts. All those
guys beside Jared Goff are relatively mobile, so this makes sense.
I mean, this was a guy I would say halfway
through the season when Florida State was right and high,
was talked about it as a top fifteen pick. Now
he ends up going what nineteen, So it's not too
far off. But I do get a little nervous. And
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again maybe it's old school, like the transfer portal, whatever
guy's transfer, but this guy did go from Miami to
Florida State, or Texas to Florida State. He went from
Albany's he's good. He's a power rusher. The other thing
with power rushers, you know, it's just you can't throw
every offensive tackle back into the quarterback. Speed usually translates,
now you got power. There are good power rushers, but
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like that's his thing. He is not like getting around guys.
So just so I'm keep an eye on now. I
give the Rams credit that they hit on a lot
of picks. And this is, you know, this Sean mcvay's
first ever first round pick. He's been there since twenty seventeen.
It's twenty twenty four that the first ever first round pick, well.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Less the FM picks. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
The uh, the thing with Verse that worried me a
bit is what you just alluded to there at the end,
Like the straight power rusher. And he's old. I think
he's over two years older than Dallas Turner. Like he's
two years older than than Latso and Turner. So like
he he's kind of a man among boys, like pushing
around nineteen year old sophomores.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
So you can't do that in the NFL, you.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Know, Dan and John, this is the cutoff. I've been
told nineteen. They people believe there were nineteen first round picks.
So a good draft is eighteen. This is a really
good draft seventeen eighteen, this is nineteen verse. I didn't think.
I thought Mims would be closer to the borderline because
I think once you get to the nineteen twenty twenty one,
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for instance, Brian Thomas is available. Pittsburgh lost Deontay Johnson
to Carolina. I think they're going to look, they've done
a great job historically with wide receivers, and they got
Russell Wilson. Let's get him Pickens. He's got backs the
tight end from Penn State. But Thomas is a classic
example of a later first round pick where he doesn't
have much of a route tree. He's just you know,
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he's classic LSU guy. It's like just insanely hyper athletic,
not a lot to the route tree. He's an over
the top guy, which Pittsburgh has done. I think Pittsburgh
draft's receivers better than anybody in the league, and I
think new I think green Bay finds good offensive lineman
in middle un better than anybody in the league. So
I'm gonna go Brian Thomas as my guest here. But
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I do believe this is the cutoff spot in terms
of now, these are players with flaws, holes.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Or less positional value. So like teams will start drafting
guys to their comfortable playing at guard. You know, Jackson powers.
Johnson could be a center that goes here and it'll
be good, but not but not a guy that you
normally would say in the first round. I I think
Xavier Worthy little predictions. I know, I'm not staying out
with you guys. I think Xavier Worthy's a chief. Like
that guy just screams Chief to me that they'll they
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would try to recreate the Tyreek Hill speed. I mean,
if he's there, but I just they have a lot
of needs. Protecting Mahomes is always good. Obviously they lost need.
They could take a corner.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
But Pittsburgh right here, I mean they just gid Russell
Wilson deep ball.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
And I mean if he goes in front of Thomas,
it would surprise me a little bit just because he's like,
I don't even know that he's one hundred, but his
highlights are incredible. Yes, he will go over the middle
like he is. He is a tough one sixty five
and the dude set the combine record for the forty
yard dash. I can't wait to see if he works
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in the NFL. He's fun, man, He's very fun. He's
my favorite guy. Probably left on the board.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
The thing I can't get out of my head. We
were talking about ten five minutes ago. When you sign
a quarterback, especially an older quarterback who's not like Aaron
Rodgers he names Kirk Cousins, his equity with the new
fan base is gonna be pretty small. So coming off
the injury, what if he starts slow, No one in
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Atlanta is gonna want just like throwing Pennix. That's where
it could get weird, and it could get weird fast.
If cousins and sometimes cousins. He was playing really good
before he got injured, but he's had a lot of
just rough couple weeks stretches. If it starts looking weird,
he's not really. You know, he's maybe eighty percent rehab
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from the injury. He's never moved great. That situation could
just get weird fast. I get big picture why they
did it, But internally in their locker room, you know
that's it's a risky move.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
It's a risky move.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Here's something interesting. I think Pittsburgh goes and gets Brian
Thomas but Miami and Philly are after Pittsburgh. They do
not need wide receivers. Jacksonville does at twenty three, So
I guarantee you Jacksonville is praying Pittsburgh doesn't take Brian
Thomas because Miami and Pitts Philadelphia are stacked.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Well, by the way, Dallas at twenty four. Okay, you
guys talk, I'm knocking down my eyes are there's no
fuzz here with me, no alcohol. I got a two
minute bathroom break please, yeah, yeah, yeah, Danny Parkins, John middlecough.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah. Do you think do you think.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
We're give me sitting here right now halfway through tonight?
Give me over underwins right now? And the Bears for
everyone to be happy, does they have to be above eight?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
The numbers said at eight and a half. They won
seven last year. They've added Keenan Allen, Gerald Everett, DeAndre Swift,
Caleb Williams, and Roma Dunza, and upgraded their offensive coaching staff.
They definitely should hit that over.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
I man C. J.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Stroud's rookie season last year showed what's possible, and.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
His team wasn't nearly as good as this Bears team.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
That's what I'm saying, that's what I'm saying. So and
Caleb is so unique.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Man.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
We've never seen a player be so comfortable with the
spotlight because of NIL, because of USC, because of He's
been basically created in a lab for this moment. He said,
he woke up today and he felt like it was
a normal Bay He's getting picked be the number one
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pick in the draft, like he just there's something about
him that just he's not going to be overwhelmed by
the moment. So I expect him to be the offensive
rookie of the year. I expect him to break at
least one of the Bears records for futility. They've never
had a four thousand yard passer, the only team in
the NFL that the only team in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
It's never already touchdown quarterback.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
But I mean, honestly, if one of those falls is
a rookie, you know will make the argument that he's
already the best quarterback in Bears franchise history.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
So I do think they hit the over at eight
and a half.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
That's where I think the Bears are fascinating, is you
compare him to the Texans. I think everyone in the
league and I don't know where you stand. Would take
Demko over Aberflus.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Right, Yeah, I mean yes, that's in Bobby's flow.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
It clearly has a chance to be like one of
Shanahan you know minions, it becomes a star offensive coordinator.
So to me, the pressure Poles has had one of
the great twelve month stretches in like GM history, and
Caleb even if he had an up and down rookie year,
it's like he's gonna get time. Obviously that the pressure
on this coaching staff is pretty immense.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Yeah, Shane Waldron has about as big of a spotlight
on him as any offensive coordinator could possibly have in
the league. And he definitely is a more significant figure
to the Bears than Matt Eberflus because what they can't
do is do what they've done to the last two
high pick Paris quarterbacks. John Fox was the head coach
when they drafted Mitch Trubisky.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
DW.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Loggins was the offensive coordinator. They fired him after his
rookie year, so he had to have two systems in
two years, justin fields drafted by Matt Naggi. Plays before
they were they wanted to play him, fire him, then
they hire Luke Getzi as the head coach, two systems
in two years. There needs to be continuity. So if
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this season goes poorly and they blow it up and
fire Matt eberflues, hopefully Caleb Williams is so good that
it's like Justin Herbert who had to deal with you know,
Anthony Lynn and then different coordinators and you know Staley
and Kellen Moore and you know he he's been coach proof,
but it wasted his rookie contract. So the Bears need
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continuity and they that that's like the big vulnerability for
sure for where they're at right now.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Danny, where are you in Detroit? It looks like you're
in a studio where.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
I wish I was in a studio. No, I'm in
a I'm in an upstairs room. Our radio company like
rented out a Buffalo Wild Wings and there's like five
radio stations here and I'm the only one that is
currently on the air, So everyone else is around me
kind of drinking and watching the draft and I'm getting
these takes off with Bill coffin cow Herd.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Do you have Do you have a cocktail or food
to assist you in this?
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Yeah, I've had wings, and you know there's I've maybe
had I maybe had a celebratory beer after the Odudon's pick.
But I didn't know how you felt about that, so
I wanted to you know, I wanted to keep a
kosher But yeah, it's it's possible that there's a there's
a beverage right here.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I don't know, it's right, Dane, Okay, absolutely all right.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
The Bears went from a couple of years ago having
nobody offense to having Dj Moore, Keenan Allen, Roma Dunesay,
and Caleb Williams offensive tackle.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Steelers have taken yeah, an offensive tackle. The Steelers have
taken an offensive tackle Fonto Well yeah, yeah, I mean
listen their offensive line like Buffalo. I keep I like
the players, and it never gells. So I'm like, at
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some point, what do you make of it? John Yours?
You don't like the Louis to me?
Speaker 1 (30:28):
The Steelers, It's just I guess they have a little
more upside now at the quarterback position, but they feel
like the same thing year in year out, just different names.
Nine ten wins and one and done in the playoffs, Like,
what what is any difference this year and this the
Atlanta situation on steroids. If Russell's boring dunking and dunking,
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Everyone's gonna want to say justin field to get in there.
And then the pressure of that, let's face it, he
struggles throwing with the pockets unless Arthur Smith can rehabilitate
him and six months. It feels like there's gonna be
a lot of hype around this franchise, but I don't
expect to see much different, especially Burrows healthy, the Ravens,
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even the Browns. They're I mean, hell, they won eleven
games this year, half of them with Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
So font No is the uh font No is the
Husky by the way, as you know, yeah, I'm a
Husky fan.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
He's I'm more guard than tackle.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Well he was just he's a brawler. He's like the
first steak.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
My take was, I thought the Chargers if they moved down,
if they moved down to like eleven with Minnesota, they
would get the Oregon State kid. If they moved down further,
I thought they would get this kid. He's classic, hardbought,
just hands on you, brawler, not there's no finesse. He's
just gonna beat you up. But for the record. That's
Mike Tomlin. That's very Pittsburgh Steeler in that division. That's
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what they that's what.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
You ordered David di Castro years ago, remember from Yeah, Sanford, Danford,
guy like those players.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Yeah, I mean the Bears drafted a guy like that
and they played him at right tackle in Darnell right
last year and he was he was great all rookie
right tackle. They drafted Broderick Jones last year in the
first round, so this is back to back years with
the first rounds pick at tackle, and Roderck Jones didn't
start right away for them, So I it'll be interesting.
I would assume that they think that Broderick's ready to
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go to left tackle and Fatano is going to be
their right tackle right away. That would that would be
my guest. But I guess he could slide inside the guard,
but those are he can absolutely, yeah, he definitely can't.
But I'm wonder what they're drafting him to do. I mean,
that's those are just two premium resources on offensive linemen
in each of the last two years.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
You know, for years and years, there was a real
kind of knock that the Pac twelve, you know, was
kind of a second tier conference. Let me tell you something.
Jade and Daniels did play in it. You start looking,
Panix goes eight, Roma, Dunze goes nine, h goes twelve. God,
there's a lot of PAC twelve players this year. Indy
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gets one, uh, Sat Scott's just got one. This is
this is one of the best. This is one oh
the Saints at fourteen. You may have eight pack twelve players.
We said this, John and I are a lot of
packed twelve guys. You're more of a big ten guy.
This was the best I'd seen the PAC twelve in
twenty years.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
It was ty praise.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah, why we joined It's why we joined forces.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, and honestly, big ten football can be unwatchable.
I'm I'm a fan of good college football, so I
will be a little fair weather because when I went
to Syracuse, I saw ten wins in four seasons, uh
in college football. So my wife went to Clemson, so
I can tend to be a bit of a fair
weather college football observer, Like I just want to watch
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the good games and the good teams. But Minnesota, this
getting JJ McCarthy and Turner in this like they could
have never dreamed.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Of that it's crazy crazy could they.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Could have never dreamed of that? That's a that's an
unbelievable haul.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Okay, this is Danny's book, Pipeline of the Pros. It's
literally ten thirty five where he's at. We do appreciate
him stopping by. You're awesome. We're going to talk very soon.
You're kicking butt. Go have another libation. And uh, I
really appreciate you stopping baugh. You didn't have to do this, and.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
I really I I wanted to, and I knew I
was in Detroit and I felt like, you know, a
Colin Cowherd John Middlkoff production needed a presence from the
team that got the A plus quarterback wide receiver tandem.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
That's you know.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Kayleb Williams says he wants eight Super Bowls. This is
where this is the origin story of it happening.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Okay, Miami went Remember last year they fell apart physically
on the defensive front. They get Chop Robinson, who again
a little bit of a flawed player, but tremendous upside.
Chop Robinson to Miami not a shock. By the way.
Now we're having a run on defensive players. You're gonna
see the Clemson corner Wiggins here go pretty quick. I
think so Chop Robinson in Miami. Miami was a really
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good team late and they literally lost like four to
five defensive players up they fell. It was a cluster injury.
So this makes sense.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
John, your thoughts, well, say this for James Franklin.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
He can't beat Ohio State or Michigan, but he sure
can find NFL players high in the draft. You know,
talent and recruiting is not James Franklin's issue. I mean
he gets Blue Chippers. Honestly, It's why a lot of
Penn State guys get mad at him because it's like,
with all this talent we have, can we ever beat
anyone that matters? Like no one cares about beating Rutgers
in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I will say, though, if you're gonna, I always had this.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
There's why he's gonna keep a job.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
Though.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Well, and the air thing is if you ever move
off him, you know, Oklahoma's had like remember when they
got what was the guy that missed John Blake? But
John Blake was an unbelievable recruiter. Stoops took his players
and won a Natty year two Ron Zook unbelievable recruiter leaves.
I think it was urban Meyer came in and just crushed.
If you're gonna have a coach who maybe isn't the
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great x's and o's guy, get a great recruiter because
the next guy comes in, like I mean, So my
takeaway is I think James has made Penn State relevant
and I think that's what Penn State is. If they
ever move off him, the next guy is going to
get like sixteen NFL players for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I mean, you could say it got easier with Harbaugh Leven.
The problem is Oregon, Washington USC coming into the conference.
But yeah, Miami, let's face it. I've said over and
over is that I would not give to us some
massive contract over the next couple of months. I would
play this out if you can't win this division. Now,
the Bills got worse, the Patriots are in shambles, and
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the Jets are a ticking time bomb of a couple
ham strings. Then all of a sudden their season could
get derailed. So to me, Miami, we've seen the last
couple of years, same shit start asked, you know, Peter out.
As it gets colder, you start playing the better teams.
Let's face it, they weren't even close down the stretch
playing the better quarterbacks. So I'm not that into them. Colin,
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I don't know where you stand on the Dolphins. Clearly
Mike is a good offensive mine, but I can't buy
into the quarterback and the defensive personnel. I mean, they
just lost their best player to the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
So Danny Parkins, I want to thank him again for
coming on the show. What a blast. That was so
great to get him to drop in with the greatest
draft in league history by the show.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
What a moment for the Bears tonight. That's cool, It's great.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I'm fired up.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I love Chicago. Yeah, I think Miami is one of
those where there's a lot I like about them. Second,
I love getting.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Ballot text you back.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
He did, they did very well. They did well. Listen
man again from about nineteen on Jared ver On, these
are some flawed players that are really good versus a
little older. He's a power rusher, Chop Robinson again. People
see he's a bit of a one trick pony, really good.
Troy Fonteau is more of a right tackle, a brawl er,
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no finesse to his game. Jacksonville is going to get
Brian Thomas if he's available. I swear to god, they're
going to get that wide receiver. What do you think
Philadelphia does here?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I think they go with whoever their top corner is
on the board, whether that's that's going to be Clem's
Alabama or alb Alabama. Yeah, I wonder if Wiggins is
a little light. I mean, at one seventy five, the
draft him, and.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You know, I think you're right, they're gonna get the
Alabama kid.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
You know, with all these tackles off the board, I
think they're they're inclined to always go in the trenches,
but they've invested a lot in the offensive line. They've
drafted defensive lineman constantly the last couple of years. I
think they go dB. This is where sometimes it pays.
There was a lot like Howie loves making a move,
but he didn't even have to move in. Whoever his
top corner is on the board is going to be
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sitting there for him at twenty two. The other thing, Colin,
sometimes in the twenties, you know, twenty two to twenty
eight range, you get a guy with some flaws. But
we've seen the Justin Jeffersons, the TJ. Watts, Like, you
can get really impact players in this range. You know,
sometimes they're not the most hype guy coming into the draft,
but you can get elite Pro Bowl guys right in
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this range. And if you do hit on them, guy
at twenty three is a lot cheaper and the guy
at seven on your books. So I mean you're only
paying him a couple million dollars a year for four years.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, So if Philly goes Terry and Arnold, who, by
the way, was a ninety eight recruit out of one hundred.
He was a five star corner. What you notice about
him when you watched Bama play is the really great
athletes have something and you can't teach it. The super
twitchy athletes have a change of direction like you'll see
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these corners or those receivers like jet Jet quick. Big
guys generally don't have it. Arnold, it's cartoonish his ability
to get fooled and catch up. So he's the best
corner in this draft. Wiggins is smaller. I think Philadelphia,
I think this is a pretty honest move. You know,
they signed their two receivers. They got Saquon Barkley. They've
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spent big money on offense, which, by the way, that's
where that's where you should spend your money. In twenty
twenty four, I think they're gonna load up on defense.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Well, here's the other thing. Last couple of years, they've
only drafted from like two programs, Alabama and Georgia. So
do not expect, you know, some random school to come
off the board here. They have not messed with that,
and they feel good about that strategy, even if some
of the guys are still a work in progress. They
are going to lean the elite programs and let it fail.
(40:40):
If they miss, so be it. But they're not gonna
miss going with the Toledo, going with kind of a
smaller Kansas State or whatever. They changed their philosophy a
couple of years ago, just Georgia and Alabama. Like honestly,
they just stick in the SEC. They drafted half their
rosters George and Alabama, and even AJ Brown who they
traded for was an SEC guy who now they've signed
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a multiple contracts. So I would expect the Eagles to
go Alabama here.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
So let's go twenty two to twenty three, twenty four
Dallas and then I'll let you go. We started at
six h four, at seven forty one, we thought we
were gonna go for forty five minutes. But this is
so much damn fun. I could do this all day.
So I'm gonna guess Terry and Arld of Philly, Brian
Thomas to Jacksonville, we gotta stay for the Dallas pick.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
I would say of all the teams in the league,
I mean, their coach is on the last year of
a contract, and I get it's not college football, so
recruiting that still doesn't happen in the pros. That's pretty weird.
And I actually don't blame them for the way they've
handled DAK, Like, why don't we just play this out?
Let's see, why do I have to give you another
two hundred and fifty million dollars. Let's see you play
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well in the playoffs. But the McCarthy thing, that thing
could get weird fast. You bring in Mike Zimmer, who
you know. Say you this about Dan Quinn. You could
argue Mike Zimmer might be a better defensive mine, but
he's an angry curmudgeon who's been a head coach with
some success. Jerry clearly likes him. Because he's from the
heyday of the Cowboys. They've lost some talent, kind of pressure.
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I know he's had a good couple of years in
the regular season, but their regular season is kind of
irrelevant now. They've been rattling off twelve wins for three
straight years and then they've been bounced in the first
round two of the last three years at home. So
I this Dallas thing now. Luckily, here's the thing you
would say about Jerry in the operation. They do draft
pretty well. I mean they have been they have drafted
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pretty well. They don't have a running back. I mean
you see they're sniffing around Zeke's back in the building.
I mean they're kind of desperate. And it's not a
good running back draft. I don't know. I mean their
offensive skill guys aren't as good as they were a
couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
I thought it would be a decent running back draft
a year ago. But Blake Koram's not a first or
a second round pick anymore. He's not the same running back.
He's more of a third or fourth off that injury.
He just does not have the pop I thought. I
thought he was going to be like a high second
when I was thanked him.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
He's one of my favorite players.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
So here we go.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Well, you've had the stat forever about Dak's success with
running the ball right when he has to turn into
Aaron Rodgers. It fails every time.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Every time repeat. There's literally a all right, Philly has
made their pick. There's literally a line of demarcation. If
he gets like one hundred yards rushing, Dak is an
A minus quarterback. Under it, he's a C plus.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
I mean, there's no Dak's made for Jim Harbaugh style
of playing right, play defense, run the ball, try to
throw it under thirty times, or Kyle Shanahan, Mike McCarthy's.
I mean, really, what he likes to do is play
like he did in Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers and
throw the ball and not run it, even if he
technically ran it more than Kellen Moore.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
The Eagles are taking Quinny and Mitchell the Toledos small
school corner.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
That's shocking.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
People like him.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
He clearly was their top corner on the board Toledo.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
You know, it's one of those you know what's funny, John,
There's two positions in football, running back and corner. You
could either play it or you can't. I mean, Sauce
Gardner Cincinnati was the best player in college football.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
I thought that year.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
It's there's certain positions that are sort of not bust proof,
but high school to college, college du pro. If you
can man up a guy in the corner, you're going
to play the first day on campus. And I tend
to think running back in corner, even if the situation
wasn't perfect, Saquon Barkley was going to work everywhere when
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Joe Mixon worked and they were all line was shit
his first two years in the league. Like I think corner,
if you look at this kid from Toledo, I don't
really worry too much in terms of school or competition
with running back in corner. First of all, there's a
twitchin a speed aspect. The clock tells you if they
can play, and I think this kid will end up
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being well. First of all, he's a starter day one
for this team. They're a bit of a mess.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
I gotta do some more research on him because just
looking at the first twenty two picks and listen, I
got my football start at Fresno State, where we had
a lot of first rounders. Those days are kind of
over with the transfer portal because the moment you become
a top one hundred pick as a freshman or sophomore,
these teams come after you. Honestly, the one weird team
on here before Toledo was University in North Carolina and
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Nick Saban tried to give Drake May five million dollars
to come play at Alabama. I mean Colin this this
first round, USC LSU, Ohio State, Notre Dame, LSU, Bama, Washington, Washington,
Penn State, Oregon, UGA, you know, UCLA, Texas, Bama. It's
I think get ready for this moving forward because all
these Power five programs at the high end, they the
moment you become a high end player as a sophomore,
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they get you on that phone and they say, transferred
to my program. I'll give you five hundred thousand dollars.
And these small schools can't keep the player. So this
Toledo got. I just don't think we're gonna see much
of that, and honestly, we'll probably only see it once tonight.
If Brian Thomas the next guy off the board, that's LSU. Again.
It's just high end programs were used to we'd have
some random programs mixed in but now with the tree
Answer portal and nil at the high end of the draft, man,
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these big programs just have bigger pocketbooks.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Well, this kid's got almost a forty inch vertical, so
he's a prospect.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
I'm just saying, it's kind of weird seeing that I
got to do some digging, like how he didn't get
some more phone calls. Maybe he was offered, he stayed loyal,
I mean not everyone's just jumping ship.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
But well, and the other thing is, again, cornerbacks are interesting.
So I had talked I think it was Notre Dame
or somebody played Notre Dame, played Cincinnati and Sauce Gardener.
This is fuzzy, but like Notre Dame. Basically a source
told me they just didn't want to throw the ball.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
They did, remember, they did like a home and home
Cincinnati Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
And people said, like Brian Kelly at the time, it's like, yeah,
we're just not I think it was Brian Kelly. Was
it two years ago, Yeah it was.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
It was yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
And Brian's like this, we're not going to throw it
his side of the ball. It's just we're not going
to do it. This kid doesn't have prodigious numbers. I
think he only had a couple of picks. But nobody
in Toledo's conference is throwing the ball to Quinn and
Mitchell's side of the ball. So again, cornerback and running back,
especially corner sometimes you know, teams just don't throw to
your side of the ball. To be a small school
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first round cornerback who didn't look at tape and go,
We're going to the other side of the field. So
don't get too alarmed if you look at his numbers
and they don't jump off. This is not you know,
this is not the sec where sometimes you just you
have to throw at all corners because they're all NFL guys.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Well, based on roster alone, the Eagles have no excuse assume,
you know, assuming that they stay relatively healthy, did not
win the division, right, the Giants, they're not very good.
Washington's young. The Cowboys shouldn't have won the division last year,
but the Eagles fell apart. Now, the Eagles are spending
a lot of money on Fangio and Kellen Moore, and
there's tangible pressure this year on Jalen Right, he felt
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like he took it a little step back last year.
It's like who Jacks do.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Look at this? In twenty twenty one, Mitchell for Toledo
played Notre Dame as a corner. He had a sack,
a forced fumble, two fumble recoveries. It's like a corner
so against good competition. Well, that's like a defensive end.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
When you are a smaller school guy and you have
those moments against the big programs like saused against Notre
Dame or this guy when he plays remember Khalil Mack
at Buffalo played Ohio State and he had three sacks.
It's like that that that changes your trajectory as a
prospect because it's hard to evaluate half your games playing
playing me and you you know, but when you get
an opportunity to play a top ten, top fifteen program
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as a prospect a smaller school, you can kind of
change the hype on your own draft trajectory.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
So Brian Thomas, Jacksonville twenty three, that's my hunch.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Yeah, would I would agree?
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah? No, I mean they lost Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
The Cowboys go wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
I see, I could see Dallas trading up one spot
to who Jacksonville. Brian Thomas just have to Brian Thomas
go to Jacksonville. We predicted it right, We predicted it
about fifteen minutes ago. Brian Thomas, wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
I think if you're Dallas, you gotta feel pretty good
about your defense. You got multiple dbs who are impact players.
You got highly paid guys in your defensive line. All
the offense, most of the top offensive linemen are off
the board. I don't know how you don't go skill
guy here. I mean, besides Cede Lamb, who do you
feel great about? I guess that Ferguson's a solid tight end,
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but you have no really solid now.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah, I think wide receivers the play here. Who's the
best wide receiver?
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Well, that's probably up for debate. You know a lot
of people like the Georgia mcconkee, Kid we Worthy weighs
one hundred and ten pounds. Worthy Worthy Dak do not
feel like a fit, do they?
Speaker 2 (49:48):
No, Dak's not a terribly accurate thrower and Worthy is tiny.
You know, it'd be different if you could get like,
Brian Thomas is a big target, Roma Dunze is a
big target, Harrison. You can't give me a small target
with an inaccurate quarterback. You know, if you're gonna have
a smaller target. Give me a Matt Stafford, Give me
(50:08):
an Aaron Rodgers. Give me a guy who's a pinpoint thrower, Mahomes,
a guy that's a little wild. I mean, I just
don't think Dak's ever been an elite, a plus arm guy.
I could see Dallas, I'll be honest with you. I
could see Dallas trading out of this thing.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Yeah, I could too. I could too. And maybe one
of those teams. I mean, is this a spot where
could Kansas City come up? You know, I don't worthy.
I think has some question marks off the field. Andy.
They just had that situation with Rice, you know, I
don't know if they want to bring multiple question marks
into that wide receiver room. It's one thing to have one,
(50:42):
but if you got two of your six guys.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
All right, So, folks, we've been doing this all night.
This is our final pick for John.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
And I take a shocker of the night.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Panis Panix at eight. The biggest shocker. I think a
lot of it's been predictable. I think the fact that
no defensive players went until the fifteenth pick is historically shocking.
You know, John, the player that I worry about a
Marius Mims at Cincinnati is one of those where I'm
(51:14):
a little gun shy, guy's got no starts that worries me.
In a division with excellent pass rushes that worries me.
That's a good defensive division.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
I'd say that the pick that I just and I
know they had to do it. But Drake May first
time head coach, who's young, who's been coaching for five years,
who was a player seven years ago, who has all
this negativity surrounding the organization, that's a tough spot. Yeah,
we talked about some of these spots. Caleb's in a
great spot, JJ's in a great spot. Bo Nicks gets
Sean Payton, Drake May gets Jerrod Mayow, Jonathan Kraft and
(51:49):
no one around him. Gronkowski and Edelman ain't walking through
that door.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Oh no, it's it is Lean I mean, it's Devonte Parker,
It's it's is Juju Smiths Schuster.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Still the Yeah, the conference is good. Think of all
the quarterbacks in that conference. That's tough. Now he technically
they got Jacoby Brissette. He doesn't have to start right away,
but you go one in five, who the hell is
gonna want to watch Jakobe Brissette. You know, so this
guy is gonna get thrown to the fire. It always happens,
and he just like.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
New England's New England's O lines. Okay, so my guess
is New England goes heavy tight end receiver back because
they went they went big interior. They went three guards
last year, so the interior O line is good.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
I got another one, which again the guy is a
fantastic prospect. But Malik Neighbors of the Giants, they have
Daniel Jones, who's awful coming off in a cl and
de vido. I mean, what that's not gonna work. I
mean when they drafted Odell Beckham, you know Eli could
still play and Eli always had a big arm. I mean,
Neighbors is a down the field, stretched the field speak
(52:58):
guy Daniel Owns is like a poor man's Alex Smith
on his best day. It's dunkin and duncan so is.
They don't have a quarterbacks what. This guy's a good player.
I get why they drafted him, but the fit for
the team, I don't know if that's really helping you
this year.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
I mean, it can't hurt. He's he's very much a
y can't hurt God, there's just so many good players.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
There was that run of once the Colts went with
Law two, the next top d lineman basically went in
the next four picks Murphy Turner than Mims, than Verse.
So it's one of those things where they say you
wait on the run, and then once the run starts,
you know you got to get involved. Kind of why
Minnesota trade it up right away because they could see
it coming.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
What I'm really fascinated to watch is bo Nix in
Denver because I literally think he went to the perfect coach.
I think JJ McCarthy and Bo Nicks have limitations. They
literally landed in the perfect spot. Bo Nicks is gonna
play immediately at sixty one college starts. They're not f around.
They're gonna play Bow next. They're not gonna wait. Bo's
(54:03):
I had Bow on my show for about twenty minutes,
talk to him ten minutes off the air before he
came on and after. Bow's really smart. Bo's dad was
a coach. He was a five star. Remember he was
a five star Southern recruit. People forget this Bowl was.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Remember his first start was against Oregon. Wasn't that game
against Herbert that was his first ever start. Remember that,
like twenty nineteen or twenty I do, And it was
a fantastic game. Came right down the freshman, wasn't he.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (54:25):
I think he played really well in that game. Then
it all kind of was downhill after that.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
True fresh So you was like eighteen years old, Yes,
he was a freshman. I remember that game and Auburn
won late and if I recall, bo had a very
good late drive to win the game for Auburn over Oregon.
I remember that game.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Yeah, I'm not listen. I think he's overdrafted for the league. Yeah,
but I completely understand the fit with Sean Payton. And
let's face it, you talk about this all the time
anyone that fall football does. Where you go and who
you fit with. You put Brock Purty with girod Mayo,
No one's talking about Brock party. You put Brock Purty
with with Kyle Shanahan. Mats Stafford was good no matter
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where he got. You get him to Sean McVay, it's
lights out right, so you get the hot Patrick Mahomes
probably would have been Okay, he gets with Andy Reid
all time great. So bow Nicks definitely has a chance.
Remember Sean tried to do that pivot with Taysom, but
Taysom couldn't throw the ball, but he wanted that athletic guy.
Now he gets a quarterback that can move like this
guy can throw Taysom couldn't.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Really, Hey, Teddy Bridgewater went five and zero backing up Breeze.
Teddy is closer to a bon Nix in terms of
size arm strength. So, I mean Peyton's career is Breeze
Teddy Bridgewater. Bone Nicks is the fit. I was told
very early that he did prefer Bonnicks to Michael Pennox.
I was told that very early in the process.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
It's his offense more for sure, He's not.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
No. I mean, listen, Shanahan, like Kirk Cousins, these these
a lot of these guys, they've got fits. I mean,
like Kyle's very much tied to his play sheet. And
by the way, so is Sean Payton, so is Lincoln Riley.
Now McVeigh isn't as much, Lufleur isn't as much. But
some of these offensive guys have a play sheet. And
that's why this year Caleb with the Battle Line did
(56:16):
a lot of ad limbings out of Lincoln Riley's playshet
and so us. He has this kid Miller Moss. He's
gonna follow the sheet, which I think Lincoln's gonna like.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Well, I think Kevin O'Connell is really more of a
disciple the way he thinks about football, more closer to
Kyle and Sean than he than Sean Payton, than Sean McVay,
who kind of wants Jean mcvay's a little closer to
Andy Reid, you know, the way he wants to coach
and throw it. Its just I'll tell you where to
throw it. You get rid of the ball, the guy
will be open. If he's not, go quick to the
other guy.
Speaker 4 (56:43):
If not, just get rid.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Of the ball and we'll just call another play. So
I would imagine Kyle Shanahan, Sean Payton, you know, obviously,
Kevin O'Connell, the JJ McCarthy bo Knicks, just play under control,
high completion percentage and do what I tell you, and
a smart, high character guy's type guys they like. And
again it's depending on what Andy Reid wants to go deep, right,
(57:07):
that's historically what he likes to do, So he likes
a certain type quarterback. Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick or Patrick
mahomes with a big arm. What makes him so special
is he can pivot, no problem. You give him Alex Smith,
he can win eleven games. Most guys kind of struggle
once they find the middle ground.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
All right, one more pick. We will have been on
officially two hours. You know what, man, it's been great.
Speaker 6 (57:28):
This thing is.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
What's your guess on how many millions if people watched
the first hour of this thing with these quarterbacks?
Speaker 2 (57:34):
Oh, I think I think this will be the most
watch draft easily. And my guess is it will beat
the NBA games tonight signific destroy them, Yeah, hammer them.
My guess. Last year had eleven million viewers between the
two networks. I thought it was my guess it'll be
closer to thirteen. Now again, Lakers do have an AUDI.
(57:55):
I mean New York and LA are playing NBA games.
That doesn't.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
It'll be it'll be the first hour because you Chicago
dialed in Washington and these are massive markets, right Boston,
The Giants all in the top. I've at the top
six like that first forty five minutes of the draft.
I'm sure it was one.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
It peaked all right, Dallas is traded the pick. But dude,
we have been freaking on it tonight. We predicted Dallas
would trade the pick. And so the Cowboys traded to
the Detroit Lions. And so how many did they drop?
Four spots? Three spots?
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah, Lions would be picking twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
Okay, so they already made their selection. So let's just
stick around for what Detroit drafts.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
So we You know one thing that worked when I
was with the Eagles my first year, I got sent
to Radio City Music Hall and it was cool. You
remember when the draft was there forever, This traveling circus
thing they got going feels like a bigger event, doesn't
it with all these people. I mean, it's it's it
pops on television.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
They had one hundred fifty thousand people at this two
hours before. That's what it did. I mean, that doesn't
make sense. That's like the Obama speech in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
It's like this this move by the by the NFL
League office. Rogers, Ben Genius, it all right.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
Detroit Tarrian Arnold cornerback, absolute need. Jeff Acodo a couple
of years ago into Ohio State was a kind of
a bust. So not a surprise at all. They go
corner again. The outside the Amarus mimes Cincinnati little concerning
for me. It's a bit of a risk. He didn't
play much outside of that kind of predictable, I mean,
(59:37):
so let's go back and review. Michael Pennox to Atlanta
is the shock of the draft?
Speaker 1 (59:43):
It's it.
Speaker 4 (59:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:45):
We were talking bo Nick's Denver a month ago that
that maybe a reach.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
For six months. JJ McCarthy to Minnesota. I think the
only thing shocking there is that Minnesota didn't have to
trade too far up and they ended up coming out
of this draft with both their picks and they got
JJ McCarthy, Dallas Turner, they got They gotta feel pretty
good about that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
This has been fun, Buddy.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Enjoyed it. How do you beat the first round of
the NFL Draft?
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Oh my god? This is this is an adult video,
adult entertainment for.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
John and I. This is how it really is.
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
The only thing missing was a cocktail. Jesus, all right,
I'll be on FS one tomorrow, John middlecoff three and out, Buddy,
this is we were gonna go forty minutes. We're two
hours in.
Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
If we got a second and third round tomorrow, Colin
so uh all the podcasts out Friday Night.
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
See you, buddy.
Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
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Speaker 2 (01:32):
All right, do we want to bring Danny Parkins into
Talk Bears. Let's bring Danny in from Chicago. Danny is
the most talented young broadcaster I think of the country
doing radio. Buddy and Nick Wright introduced me years ago.
Like Nick Wright has a borderline gambling problem. That's why
I love him. I say that as borderline is time
that the problem is with the casinos and the books,
(01:53):
because he actually wins. He comes from a math family,
so Danny. First of all, I was surprised. I thought
I thought they would defense Danny with the pick because
the defensive coach. Coaches can pound the table and kind
of get Usually, you know, they make two to three
times what a coach does. But Ryan Poles has so
much steam now, so much momentum. Eber Flus doesn't so
(02:14):
my take by getting Roma Donze, that's a Ryan Poles call.
That's my take.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Years one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
When Ryan Poles was here, when he got hired, people
were asking him about team building philosophy, and he said,
remember where I came from, and that's Kansas City. Because
he got criticism for his first draft where he didn't
have a first round pick, taking Kyler Gordon and Jaquan
Brisker with his two second round picks, and I criticized
(02:42):
him for not taking a receiver in George Pickens with
the Jaquan Brisker pick, and he said, remember where I
came from, which he was basically saying I didn't think
anyone there was the right guy to take, but I'm
not going to not support the quarterback. He traded for Slaypool.
It didn't work. He trades the number one pick he
(03:03):
wants DJ more attached to it. It does work. He
trades a fourth round pick for Keenan Allen, he's one
of the most consistent players in the NFL. And then
the ninth pick overall comes up and he makes what
I thought was the obvious pick if he was on
the board, and he gives Joe Burrow his Jamar Chase.
You know, these guys have a rookie contract timeline that
are completely aligned. I know Burrow and Chase wereing back
(03:24):
to back drafts, but the idea is the same, to
get Caleb Williams a weapon that he can grow and
develop with.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I'm ecstatic.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
This is modern offensive football finally coming to Chicago for
the first time in my lifetime.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Whaty nuts?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
John and I were talking about this. When is the
last rookie quarterback that got this? This is insane.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Gerald Everett's a throw in. He was the Chargers' best
tight end, highly productive. Well, we've never seen it for
a number one overall pick quarterback. We've definitely never seen
it for that.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Herbert had a very good situation in LA with Keenan
Allen and Mike Williams, and you know, he was supported
with Austin Eckler and Corey Linsley at center and Rashaun
Slater at tackle, and he set the rookie record for
passing touchdowns with thirty one. So we have never seen
it for a number one overall pick to have this
type of nest to come into and develop, and if
(04:23):
I may for a second, because Colin, you and I
talked about this on the show about like how Chicago's
a place where they've never had offensive success and quarterback
and goes to die and all of that stuff, and
that cynicism that Bears fans is well earned. The amount
of luck that led to this moment is just staggering.
Week eighteen, two years ago, the Bears needed the Texans
(04:48):
to beat the Colts, and Davis Mills led a fourteen
play drive where he converted a fourth and ten and
a fourth and twenty on the same drive and then
a two point conversion to give them the number one
pick in the Bryce Young Draft. They then trade the
(05:09):
number one pick to the Panthers. The Panthers then have
to be so bad and they lost four of those
games by only three points to give them the number
one pick to be in this position to get Caleb Williams.
So the stars are finally aligning in Chicago to be
set up at quarterback and have a good offense and
(05:30):
potentially a great offense for literally the first time in
my lifetime with any consistency.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
So Minnesota trades up twenty three to seventeen, Jacksonville slides back,
Minnesota selects Dallas Turner. So ten minutes ago, John and
I sort of guessed we predicted we would go on
a defensive run here. So since latou La two goes
to Indy Byron Murphy, the small but explosive defensive tackle
(05:55):
a Longhorn goes to Seattle, it's a real need. Minnesota
smartly moves up. So you know, Minnesota moved up just
a little to get JJ McCarthy. Boy, this division's got
this division's got good personnel that this division is freaking ridiculous.
You can do a Pro Bowl, offensive Pro Bowl with
(06:17):
the NFC North that can beat the league. I seriously
believe that.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I well, Danny, that's yeah. That's my thing with the Bears.
I mean, we're all in love. I mean, how could
you not be what they've done. It's not the Packers.
We know if that quarterback he's playing, they're gonna be good.
You'd assume their defense can't be as shitty as it's been.
And the Lions honestly should have beat the forty nine Ers,
should have been the Super Bowl. So it's you could
have an excellent, improved team and still be the third
(06:43):
best team in that.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Division very I mean it could. It could be a
ten win team gets third place in this division. It
could be. It could be three playoff teams that come
out of the North.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Honestly, I I think Minnesota and chicag will battle for
a wildcard spot. I think Detroit still as the best roster.
I think Green Bays is young, not as good as Detroit's,
but it's pretty damn interesting offensively. The Packers defense never delivers.
I couldn't say the last year I thought great defense,
it just doesn't. The Aaron Rodgers year it was pretty good.
(07:16):
But they Green Bay does offense better than anybody. They
can't get the defense right, even though they draft it
in the first round historically almost every year. So Dallas Turner,
that was there night.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Do you know what I wonder with Poles? And I
wonder if Poles may say this tonight in his press conference,
because you hit on the Claypool situation. I mean, they
missed badly on character. And like you said, he came
from around Ballard and Andy. I mean they value character
pretty high with their high end guys. I wonder if
they would have taken Rome over neighbors like Rome was
the second wide receiver on their board. It wouldn't shock
(07:49):
me with that at all because his character, from what
I was told is elite.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yeah, Brock.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Heword told me that he's one of the two favorite
players that he's seen at Washington and being about on
the program in about twenty years. And you know what's
crazy too, They they kind of telegraphed it, not the Bears,
but Caleb. Like it came out the other day that
Tom Pelsaro had it that Roma Dunzay was working out
with DJ Moore Keenan Allen with Caleb Williams throwing them
(08:16):
the ball. Caleb and Rome were on the same flight
from LA to Detroit for the draft. Caleb put on
Instagram a couple hours before the draft how much he
liked Roma Dunzay's outfit.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
So I think it might.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
I think it might come out because I mean they've
been doing install with Caleb Williams, Like, I mean, this
has been locked up for eight weeks, that Caleb's going
to be a Bear. It wouldn't shocked me at all.
If Ryan Poles admits that he asked Caleb Williams for
input on who he wanted them to take at number nine,
and so yeah, the character part for Poles, sure, but
(08:49):
it would not surprise me at all if Caleb Williams
had at least a say in Roma Dunsay being a
bear I saw.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I've been told this by multiple scouts and gms in
the league that this is the most talented top of
a draft in years. Brock Bowers goes thirteen, the best
run blocking offensive tackle in years, goes fourteen to the Saints.
Byron Murphy goes sixteen. Dallas Turner, who was considered a
top eight pick, goes seventeen. Guys for years, Danny, I've
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always been told by scouts a good draft, you'll have
seventeen to eighteen first round players and then it's death Valley.
I was told this year it was nineteen to twenty. God,
I'm amazed. My guess is Cincinnati's next guys. I think
they go wide receiver. You got a defense? Oh no,
they went and got a Marius Mims. This is the
(09:45):
first pick I have real questions with not a ton
of starts. If listen, somebody's gonna bust in the first
eighteen picks. This one scares me.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
I'm gonna most of the guys will bust, multiple guys
will bust in the first eighteen picks. I mean, don't
you think this is maybe just Joe Burrow needs to
be healthy in order for us to be good.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Like with Joe, the.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Bengals love the high weight speed guys too. You know,
this guy's got eight starts or whatever, a little bit
of a fly you know. I wouldn't say a flyer
because it comes from Georgia, but pretty risky, but that's
kind of their history.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
They take some risks, we yeah, but when Burrow is healthy,
they win, for sure, win big so so I mean,
I know everybody apparently want you know, Hendrickson wants to
be traded and uh t Higgins wants to be traded,
and guys are getting out of there because you can't
pay everybody. But I'll roll the dice with a healthy
Joe Burrow and a healthy Jamar Chase and so if
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this pick helps keep them upright, that's that's not the
worst thing in the world. The run on offensive players
was just remarkable, Like we knew, we knew it was
gonna be the top seven. We're like, oh, maybe it'll
be the top nine, but what it was the top
Top fourteen, top right, top fourteen picks.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You have to wonder if it's gonna start being a trend,
you know, with the way college football is much more offensive.
I mean, Ohio State, a historic program, is an offensive program.
Now Alabama now would do bor gonna beat Lean more offense.
George is probably the last of a dying breed. Even
Brian Kelly look at him, Jaden Daniels, Moleague neighbors. I mean,
it's just wonder if this is kind of where we're
(11:20):
headed as a as a well sport.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
There's two quarterbacks Shahdor Sanders will go very high next year.
I do think cam Ward at Miami's a fascinating player.
Saw a ton of them at Washington State. He is
really electric. There's a third quarterback. Is the Georgia kid
is I think is he eligible? He's I don't I
worry about Georgia.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
They literally play with like it's twenty eight NFL guys.
You know, it's like I just don't. It's like JJ McCarthy, Jesus,
did you ever trail did you ever not have a
third and two? I mean when was third and fourteen?
I mean that's like the league.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I mean JJ McCarthy went a half without being asked
to throw a football.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
He was Jimmy Garoppolo of college football.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
There's a stat that he only threw the ball and
I'm I'm this is top of the head, like he
only threw the ball on third down like thirty four
times the whole seas or something. I looked at the
stat and I'm like, oh no, that's not the NFL's
that's like, well, i mean Alabama quarterbacks, Georgia quarterbacks historically,
and that Michigan team when you hit eighteen pro players, Like,
(12:28):
that's why I've defended Michael Pennix Danny with Michigan. I'm like,
do you know how many good quarterbacks look bad? During
that fifteen year Alabama Nick Saban defensive run like Cennicks
was great. I watched him twice against Oregon, like he
was exceptional. Michigan beat CJ. Stroud, So like, I'm I'm
gonna give you Michigan, you were overwhelmed. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
The Pennix thing. I'm sure you guys talked about it
a ton. It's obviously the biggest surprise pick of the
draft so far. Brian Baldinger set up to me on
the show. He was like, I hear Atlanta's taken a
QB and that they love Penix. This was like ten
days ago, and I thought it was the dumbest thing
I had ever heard, because they gave Kirk Cousins one
(13:12):
hundred million. The last three first round picks are skill
position guys. The defense is pretty good, but go go
try to win a division and get a piece for
right now. But I wonder if they're saying we are good,
Cousins is gonna make us better and so we're not
going to be picking in the top ten for the
next couple of years. So Michael Pennix will learn from
(13:34):
Kirk Cousins, and we'll have an elite quarterback prospect learn
from Cousins, and then they'll never have to pick in
the top ten again for the next decade.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Denny. Basically, they're saying, we're gonna do a Green Bay Packer.
We're just gonna this is who the guy.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yeah, because Penex I thought was ready to play ay
one because of his age, but they're gonna make him
sit for two years at least.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
My guess is he sits for a year ult.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
So well, what Dred million guaranteed your cousin.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
But I know, but they're not paying anybody offensively they've
I mean, if that's why they went in free agency
and can get a Rondelle Moore, they can go get
players they don't have. I mean, Jarrett the defensive lineman's
making money. They're not paying I mean, they had so
much money for Kirk, They're not paying very many people.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I wonder if that owner got so scarred after watching
the quarterback play these last two years and says, under
no circumstances, after dealing with Matt Ryan for a decade,
are we ever dealing with this again? So not only
was he behind it, I wonder if he kind of
pushed for it, like just double down on this position
because watching Desmond.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Rittoral always have a succession plan, that's interesting, that's possible.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I mean, that would be an ownership thing.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
And Rohie Morris I was telling Colin think two years
ago had a front row seat. Stafford went down and
the whole season got derailed. And now Cousins coming off
an Achilles. Now it's an expensive Achilles, one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
But still, Danny, we said this Raheem was a head
coach got fired, why quarterback? He goes to LA he
becomes Sean mcvay's best friend. McVeigh is in his ear saying, dude,
you're gonna get another job, but let me just tell you,
we upgraded off a super Bowl quarterback. You cannot be
good enough or deep enough at quarterback. And I do
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think Raheem is one of these. You know, these defensive
coaches wear me out, But I do think Raheem I've
been told. I mean, he is quick. He is also
kind of a progressive. He's not one of these, Like
you know, I watched Pittsburgh Steelers offense sometime. I'm like,
can you guys run motion? I mean what it looks like.
I'm watching the NFL network in the eighties. It's like
there are these defensive coaches, Pete Carroll, I'm like, can
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you can you get an offensive line?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Pete McDermott, they couldn't get a run game for seven years.
Raheem's not that guy. He's got a little bit. I'm
trying to think Demiko Ryans is the same. He's a
defensive coach coming from an offensive culture, and I think
it matters. I think Kyle Shanahan. Demiko comes out and says,
I get the league, and I think Raheem Morris says,
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I get the league. I'm with McVeigh those guys. By
the way, has anybody on mcvay's tree not work yet?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Right? Which is?
Speaker 5 (16:15):
I mean, that's why I wanted the Bears to fire
eber Fluse and hire someone better than Shane Waldron, although
he is saying kind of he's on the tree as well.
He's an old passing game coordinator.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
There.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Offense is the way of the league, and obviously if
you hit it quarterback, it's never a bad pick. It's
just a shocking allocation of resources with to draft the
old quarterback with the injuries in terms of a draft prospect,
when you just signed the old quarterback coming off of
the big injury like this is a very unconventional thing,
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at least with Jordan Love. It had worked for the
franchise before and they thought Rogers was done, but then
Rogers shocked him and won a couple of MVPs. Kirk
Cousins hasn't played a game for the Falcons and they
drafted his replacement.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Okay, Danny Parkins has a book pipeline to the pros.
It's outstanding. Also, Danny Parkins and Spiegel. It's Chicago. It's
a big radio hit. I can't believe we got you.
It's nine to seventeen. You have a family and young children, Hollin.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I'm in Detroit. It's ten seventeen. I'm in Detroit to
see the Bears get Caleb Williams and Rome with Tunde.
I left my four year old and two year old
to my wife in Chicago. I'm here for the party,
my man, I can Colin.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
The Bears just won the twenty twenty seven Super Bowl tonight,
come on.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Yeah, I'm texting.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
I'm texting Nick Wright, taunting him that there's no shame
in Patrick Mahomes losing to Tom Brady and Caleb Williams
and Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Okay, like, I'm here as long as you listen.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
If you guys want to get back to the twenties
of the draft, I'm good to go.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
But my god, thank you for having me on. But yeah,
to trust me.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Okay, one more Danny, We're gonna keep you for one
more pick because okay, this is great. And by the way,
and I've said this before with Danny, he is so
talented at what he does. And Nick Wright introduced me
to him years ago, and he and Nick have this
poker brain that they can do math very quickly in
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their head. And so I say this as we build
out our gambling vertical at the volume, Danny's going to
be a free agent. He's going to be like Danny's
going to be, He's going to be Kirk Cousins is
that he's a nice guy. And you know people are
going to say, well, you know Danny Parkins, and then
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you're going to look up and he's going to have
forty two touchdowns and seven picks, and he's going to
go forty two and eight. How were you this year?
By the way, with your picks?
Speaker 4 (18:43):
I started fifteen and oh against the spread on the
air in the NFL documented true story started fifteen and
oh against the spread on.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
The Jason McIntyre's on a heater on NBA. I think
he's eleven and one.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
It's the greatest feeling in the world when you when
you feel like you're in the zone. It's you feel
so much smarter than you are. And I like, had
our social media guy cut the whole thing together and
put it out. I'm like, I'm not getting nearly enough
attention for go at fifteen to oh, and then I
promptly went zero and six.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Okay, Jared Verse, I told you John Middlecoff Jared Verse
to the Rams. So this is a position of need.
And I had said this earlier. I was on the
air today when Diana Russini said the Rams were thinking
of moving up, and I said, it's got to be
Brock Bauers or Jared Verse. I knew they liked Jared
Verse a lot, so I watched them at Florida State. Now,
the competition wasn't as good as the SEC, but I
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thought he was more dominant than when I was Dallas Turner.
I that was my take. Now he wasn't late too
late to the UCLA kid. That kid's just a best
pass rusher on the draft. But this is a real
position of needs. So now they have a second and
two thirds, they're gonna they're gonna they want to running
back a receiver in a defensive tackle. So Jared Verse
I actually watched some of because Florida State was a
pretty good football team. This kid starts day one opposite
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of young who they picked up last year from Tennessee.
So the Rams had two third round picks last year.
They both hit on the defensive line. They go back
to the defensive line. Start with you. John thoughts on this.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Well, they lost Aaron Donald, so you need to get
some push in the pocket. The other thing is losing
Aaron Donald. I mean, they were right there with Detroit
easily could have won the playoff game. Think who you
gotta play? The Niners, Kyle Shanahan party, you got Ben Johnson,
Jared Goff and the Lions, Danny's Caleb Williams and the Bears,
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Jordan Love, you know, Dak and Jalen Hurts. All those
guys beside Jared Goff are relatively mobile, so this makes sense.
I mean, this was a guy I would say halfway
through the season when Florida State was right and high,
was talked about it as a top fifteen pick. Now
he ends up going what nineteen, So it's not too
far off. But I do get a little nervous. And
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again maybe it's old school, like the transfer portal, whatever
guy's transfer, but this guy did go from Miami to
Florida State, or Texas to Florida State. He went from
Albany's he's good. He's a power rusher. The other thing
with power rushers, you know, it's just you can't throw
every offensive tackle back into the quarterback. Speed usually translates,
now you got power. There are good power rushers, but
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like that's his thing. He is not like getting around guys.
So just so I'm keep an eye on now. I
give the Rams credit that they hit on a lot
of picks. And this is, you know, this Sean mcvay's
first ever first round pick. He's been there since twenty seventeen.
It's twenty twenty four that the first ever first round pick, well.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Less the FM picks. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
The uh, the thing with Verse that worried me a
bit is what you just alluded to there at the end,
Like the straight power rusher. And he's old. I think
he's over two years older than Dallas Turner. Like he's
two years older than than Latso and Turner. So like
he he's kind of a man among boys, like pushing
around nineteen year old sophomores.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
So you can't do that in the NFL, you.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Know, Dan and John, this is the cutoff. I've been
told nineteen. They people believe there were nineteen first round picks.
So a good draft is eighteen. This is a really
good draft seventeen eighteen, this is nineteen verse. I didn't think.
I thought Mims would be closer to the borderline because
I think once you get to the nineteen twenty twenty one,
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for instance, Brian Thomas is available. Pittsburgh lost Deontay Johnson
to Carolina. I think they're going to look, they've done
a great job historically with wide receivers, and they got
Russell Wilson. Let's get him Pickens. He's got backs the
tight end from Penn State. But Thomas is a classic
example of a later first round pick where he doesn't
have much of a route tree. He's just you know,
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he's classic LSU guy. It's like just insanely hyper athletic,
not a lot to the route tree. He's an over
the top guy, which Pittsburgh has done. I think Pittsburgh
draft's receivers better than anybody in the league, and I
think new I think green Bay finds good offensive lineman
in middle un better than anybody in the league. So
I'm gonna go Brian Thomas as my guest here. But
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I do believe this is the cutoff spot in terms
of now, these are players with flaws, holes.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Or less positional value. So like teams will start drafting
guys to their comfortable playing at guard. You know, Jackson powers.
Johnson could be a center that goes here and it'll
be good, but not but not a guy that you
normally would say in the first round. I I think
Xavier Worthy little predictions. I know, I'm not staying out
with you guys. I think Xavier Worthy's a chief. Like
that guy just screams Chief to me that they'll they
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would try to recreate the Tyreek Hill speed. I mean,
if he's there, but I just they have a lot
of needs. Protecting Mahomes is always good. Obviously they lost need.
They could take a corner.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
But Pittsburgh right here, I mean they just gid Russell
Wilson deep ball.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
And I mean if he goes in front of Thomas,
it would surprise me a little bit just because he's like,
I don't even know that he's one hundred, but his
highlights are incredible. Yes, he will go over the middle
like he is. He is a tough one sixty five
and the dude set the combine record for the forty
yard dash. I can't wait to see if he works
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in the NFL. He's fun, man, He's very fun. He's
my favorite guy. Probably left on the board.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
The thing I can't get out of my head. We
were talking about ten five minutes ago. When you sign
a quarterback, especially an older quarterback who's not like Aaron
Rodgers he names Kirk Cousins, his equity with the new
fan base is gonna be pretty small. So coming off
the injury, what if he starts slow, No one in
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Atlanta is gonna want just like throwing Pennix. That's where
it could get weird, and it could get weird fast.
If cousins and sometimes cousins. He was playing really good
before he got injured, but he's had a lot of
just rough couple weeks stretches. If it starts looking weird,
he's not really. You know, he's maybe eighty percent rehab
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from the injury. He's never moved great. That situation could
just get weird fast. I get big picture why they
did it, But internally in their locker room, you know
that's it's a risky move.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
It's a risky move.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Here's something interesting. I think Pittsburgh goes and gets Brian
Thomas but Miami and Philly are after Pittsburgh. They do
not need wide receivers. Jacksonville does at twenty three, So
I guarantee you Jacksonville is praying Pittsburgh doesn't take Brian
Thomas because Miami and Pitts Philadelphia are stacked.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Well, by the way, Dallas at twenty four. Okay, you
guys talk, I'm knocking down my eyes are there's no
fuzz here with me, no alcohol. I got a two
minute bathroom break please, yeah, yeah, yeah, Danny Parkins, John middlecough.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah. Do you think do you think.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
We're give me sitting here right now halfway through tonight?
Give me over underwins right now? And the Bears for
everyone to be happy, does they have to be above eight?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
The numbers said at eight and a half. They won
seven last year. They've added Keenan Allen, Gerald Everett, DeAndre Swift,
Caleb Williams, and Roma Dunza, and upgraded their offensive coaching staff.
They definitely should hit that over.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
I man C. J.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Stroud's rookie season last year showed what's possible, and.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
His team wasn't nearly as good as this Bears team.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
That's what I'm saying, that's what I'm saying. So and
Caleb is so unique.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Man.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
We've never seen a player be so comfortable with the
spotlight because of NIL, because of USC, because of He's
been basically created in a lab for this moment. He said,
he woke up today and he felt like it was
a normal Bay He's getting picked be the number one
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pick in the draft, like he just there's something about
him that just he's not going to be overwhelmed by
the moment. So I expect him to be the offensive
rookie of the year. I expect him to break at
least one of the Bears records for futility. They've never
had a four thousand yard passer, the only team in
the NFL that the only team in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
It's never already touchdown quarterback.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
But I mean, honestly, if one of those falls is
a rookie, you know will make the argument that he's
already the best quarterback in Bears franchise history.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
So I do think they hit the over at eight
and a half.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
That's where I think the Bears are fascinating, is you
compare him to the Texans. I think everyone in the
league and I don't know where you stand. Would take
Demko over Aberflus.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Right, Yeah, I mean yes, that's in Bobby's flow.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
It clearly has a chance to be like one of
Shanahan you know minions, it becomes a star offensive coordinator.
So to me, the pressure Poles has had one of
the great twelve month stretches in like GM history, and
Caleb even if he had an up and down rookie year,
it's like he's gonna get time. Obviously that the pressure
on this coaching staff is pretty immense.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Yeah, Shane Waldron has about as big of a spotlight
on him as any offensive coordinator could possibly have in
the league. And he definitely is a more significant figure
to the Bears than Matt Eberflus because what they can't
do is do what they've done to the last two
high pick Paris quarterbacks. John Fox was the head coach
when they drafted Mitch Trubisky.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
DW.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Loggins was the offensive coordinator. They fired him after his
rookie year, so he had to have two systems in
two years, justin fields drafted by Matt Naggi. Plays before
they were they wanted to play him, fire him, then
they hire Luke Getzi as the head coach, two systems
in two years. There needs to be continuity. So if
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this season goes poorly and they blow it up and
fire Matt eberflues, hopefully Caleb Williams is so good that
it's like Justin Herbert who had to deal with you know,
Anthony Lynn and then different coordinators and you know Staley
and Kellen Moore and you know he he's been coach proof,
but it wasted his rookie contract. So the Bears need
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continuity and they that that's like the big vulnerability for
sure for where they're at right now.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Danny, where are you in Detroit? It looks like you're
in a studio where.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
I wish I was in a studio. No, I'm in
a I'm in an upstairs room. Our radio company like
rented out a Buffalo Wild Wings and there's like five
radio stations here and I'm the only one that is
currently on the air, So everyone else is around me
kind of drinking and watching the draft and I'm getting
these takes off with Bill coffin cow Herd.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Do you have Do you have a cocktail or food
to assist you in this?
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Yeah, I've had wings, and you know there's I've maybe
had I maybe had a celebratory beer after the Odudon's pick.
But I didn't know how you felt about that, so
I wanted to you know, I wanted to keep a
kosher But yeah, it's it's possible that there's a there's
a beverage right here.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I don't know, it's right, Dane, Okay, absolutely all right.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
The Bears went from a couple of years ago having
nobody offense to having Dj Moore, Keenan Allen, Roma Dunesay,
and Caleb Williams offensive tackle.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Steelers have taken yeah, an offensive tackle. The Steelers have
taken an offensive tackle Fonto Well yeah, yeah, I mean
listen their offensive line like Buffalo. I keep I like
the players, and it never gells. So I'm like, at
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some point, what do you make of it? John Yours?
You don't like the Louis to me?
Speaker 1 (30:28):
The Steelers, It's just I guess they have a little
more upside now at the quarterback position, but they feel
like the same thing year in year out, just different names.
Nine ten wins and one and done in the playoffs, Like,
what what is any difference this year and this the
Atlanta situation on steroids. If Russell's boring dunking and dunking,
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Everyone's gonna want to say justin field to get in there.
And then the pressure of that, let's face it, he
struggles throwing with the pockets unless Arthur Smith can rehabilitate
him and six months. It feels like there's gonna be
a lot of hype around this franchise, but I don't
expect to see much different, especially Burrows healthy, the Ravens,
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even the Browns. They're I mean, hell, they won eleven
games this year, half of them with Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
So font No is the uh font No is the
Husky by the way, as you know, yeah, I'm a
Husky fan.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
He's I'm more guard than tackle.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Well he was just he's a brawler. He's like the
first steak.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
My take was, I thought the Chargers if they moved down,
if they moved down to like eleven with Minnesota, they
would get the Oregon State kid. If they moved down further,
I thought they would get this kid. He's classic, hardbought,
just hands on you, brawler, not there's no finesse. He's
just gonna beat you up. But for the record. That's
Mike Tomlin. That's very Pittsburgh Steeler in that division. That's
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what they that's what.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
You ordered David di Castro years ago, remember from Yeah, Sanford, Danford,
guy like those players.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Yeah, I mean the Bears drafted a guy like that
and they played him at right tackle in Darnell right
last year and he was he was great all rookie
right tackle. They drafted Broderick Jones last year in the
first round, so this is back to back years with
the first rounds pick at tackle, and Roderck Jones didn't
start right away for them, So I it'll be interesting.
I would assume that they think that Broderick's ready to
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go to left tackle and Fatano is going to be
their right tackle right away. That would that would be
my guest. But I guess he could slide inside the guard,
but those are he can absolutely, yeah, he definitely can't.
But I'm wonder what they're drafting him to do. I mean,
that's those are just two premium resources on offensive linemen
in each of the last two years.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
You know, for years and years, there was a real
kind of knock that the Pac twelve, you know, was
kind of a second tier conference. Let me tell you something.
Jade and Daniels did play in it. You start looking,
Panix goes eight, Roma, Dunze goes nine, h goes twelve. God,
there's a lot of PAC twelve players this year. Indy
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gets one, uh, Sat Scott's just got one. This is
this is one of the best. This is one oh
the Saints at fourteen. You may have eight pack twelve players.
We said this, John and I are a lot of
packed twelve guys. You're more of a big ten guy.
This was the best I'd seen the PAC twelve in
twenty years.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
It was ty praise.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah, why we joined It's why we joined forces.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, and honestly, big ten football can be unwatchable.
I'm I'm a fan of good college football, so I
will be a little fair weather because when I went
to Syracuse, I saw ten wins in four seasons, uh
in college football. So my wife went to Clemson, so
I can tend to be a bit of a fair
weather college football observer, Like I just want to watch
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the good games and the good teams. But Minnesota, this
getting JJ McCarthy and Turner in this like they could
have never dreamed.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Of that it's crazy crazy could they.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Could have never dreamed of that? That's a that's an
unbelievable haul.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Okay, this is Danny's book, Pipeline of the Pros. It's
literally ten thirty five where he's at. We do appreciate
him stopping by. You're awesome. We're going to talk very soon.
You're kicking butt. Go have another libation. And uh, I
really appreciate you stopping baugh. You didn't have to do this, and.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
I really I I wanted to, and I knew I
was in Detroit and I felt like, you know, a
Colin Cowherd John Middlkoff production needed a presence from the
team that got the A plus quarterback wide receiver tandem.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
That's you know.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Kayleb Williams says he wants eight Super Bowls. This is
where this is the origin story of it happening.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Okay, Miami went Remember last year they fell apart physically
on the defensive front. They get Chop Robinson, who again
a little bit of a flawed player, but tremendous upside.
Chop Robinson to Miami not a shock. By the way.
Now we're having a run on defensive players. You're gonna
see the Clemson corner Wiggins here go pretty quick. I
think so Chop Robinson in Miami. Miami was a really
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good team late and they literally lost like four to
five defensive players up they fell. It was a cluster injury.
So this makes sense.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
John, your thoughts, well, say this for James Franklin.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
He can't beat Ohio State or Michigan, but he sure
can find NFL players high in the draft. You know,
talent and recruiting is not James Franklin's issue. I mean
he gets Blue Chippers. Honestly, It's why a lot of
Penn State guys get mad at him because it's like,
with all this talent we have, can we ever beat
anyone that matters? Like no one cares about beating Rutgers
in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I will say, though, if you're gonna, I always had this.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
There's why he's gonna keep a job.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
Though.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Well, and the air thing is if you ever move
off him, you know, Oklahoma's had like remember when they
got what was the guy that missed John Blake? But
John Blake was an unbelievable recruiter. Stoops took his players
and won a Natty year two Ron Zook unbelievable recruiter leaves.
I think it was urban Meyer came in and just crushed.
If you're gonna have a coach who maybe isn't the
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great x's and o's guy, get a great recruiter because
the next guy comes in, like I mean, So my
takeaway is I think James has made Penn State relevant
and I think that's what Penn State is. If they
ever move off him, the next guy is going to
get like sixteen NFL players for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I mean, you could say it got easier with Harbaugh Leven.
The problem is Oregon, Washington USC coming into the conference.
But yeah, Miami, let's face it. I've said over and
over is that I would not give to us some
massive contract over the next couple of months. I would
play this out if you can't win this division. Now,
the Bills got worse, the Patriots are in shambles, and
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the Jets are a ticking time bomb of a couple
ham strings. Then all of a sudden their season could
get derailed. So to me, Miami, we've seen the last
couple of years, same shit start asked, you know, Peter out.
As it gets colder, you start playing the better teams.
Let's face it, they weren't even close down the stretch
playing the better quarterbacks. So I'm not that into them. Colin,
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I don't know where you stand on the Dolphins. Clearly
Mike is a good offensive mine, but I can't buy
into the quarterback and the defensive personnel. I mean, they
just lost their best player to the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
So Danny Parkins, I want to thank him again for
coming on the show. What a blast. That was so
great to get him to drop in with the greatest
draft in league history by the show.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
What a moment for the Bears tonight. That's cool, It's great.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I'm fired up.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I love Chicago. Yeah, I think Miami is one of
those where there's a lot I like about them. Second,
I love getting.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Ballot text you back.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
He did, they did very well. They did well. Listen
man again from about nineteen on Jared ver On, these
are some flawed players that are really good versus a
little older. He's a power rusher, Chop Robinson again. People
see he's a bit of a one trick pony, really good.
Troy Fonteau is more of a right tackle, a brawl er,
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no finesse to his game. Jacksonville is going to get
Brian Thomas if he's available. I swear to god, they're
going to get that wide receiver. What do you think
Philadelphia does here?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I think they go with whoever their top corner is
on the board, whether that's that's going to be Clem's
Alabama or alb Alabama. Yeah, I wonder if Wiggins is
a little light. I mean, at one seventy five, the
draft him, and.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You know, I think you're right, they're gonna get the
Alabama kid.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
You know, with all these tackles off the board, I
think they're they're inclined to always go in the trenches,
but they've invested a lot in the offensive line. They've
drafted defensive lineman constantly the last couple of years. I
think they go dB. This is where sometimes it pays.
There was a lot like Howie loves making a move,
but he didn't even have to move in. Whoever his
top corner is on the board is going to be
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sitting there for him at twenty two. The other thing, Colin,
sometimes in the twenties, you know, twenty two to twenty
eight range, you get a guy with some flaws. But
we've seen the Justin Jeffersons, the TJ. Watts, Like, you
can get really impact players in this range. You know,
sometimes they're not the most hype guy coming into the draft,
but you can get elite Pro Bowl guys right in
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this range. And if you do hit on them, guy
at twenty three is a lot cheaper and the guy
at seven on your books. So I mean you're only
paying him a couple million dollars a year for four years.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, So if Philly goes Terry and Arnold, who, by
the way, was a ninety eight recruit out of one hundred.
He was a five star corner. What you notice about
him when you watched Bama play is the really great
athletes have something and you can't teach it. The super
twitchy athletes have a change of direction like you'll see
(39:50):
these corners or those receivers like jet Jet quick. Big
guys generally don't have it. Arnold, it's cartoonish his ability
to get fooled and catch up. So he's the best
corner in this draft. Wiggins is smaller. I think Philadelphia,
I think this is a pretty honest move. You know,
they signed their two receivers. They got Saquon Barkley. They've
(40:11):
spent big money on offense, which, by the way, that's
where that's where you should spend your money. In twenty
twenty four, I think they're gonna load up on defense.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Well, here's the other thing. Last couple of years, they've
only drafted from like two programs, Alabama and Georgia. So
do not expect, you know, some random school to come
off the board here. They have not messed with that,
and they feel good about that strategy, even if some
of the guys are still a work in progress. They
are going to lean the elite programs and let it fail.
(40:40):
If they miss, so be it. But they're not gonna
miss going with the Toledo, going with kind of a
smaller Kansas State or whatever. They changed their philosophy a
couple of years ago, just Georgia and Alabama. Like honestly,
they just stick in the SEC. They drafted half their
rosters George and Alabama, and even AJ Brown who they
traded for was an SEC guy who now they've signed
(41:00):
a multiple contracts. So I would expect the Eagles to
go Alabama here.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
So let's go twenty two to twenty three, twenty four
Dallas and then I'll let you go. We started at
six h four, at seven forty one, we thought we
were gonna go for forty five minutes. But this is
so much damn fun. I could do this all day.
So I'm gonna guess Terry and Arld of Philly, Brian
Thomas to Jacksonville, we gotta stay for the Dallas pick.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
I would say of all the teams in the league,
I mean, their coach is on the last year of
a contract, and I get it's not college football, so
recruiting that still doesn't happen in the pros. That's pretty weird.
And I actually don't blame them for the way they've
handled DAK, Like, why don't we just play this out?
Let's see, why do I have to give you another
two hundred and fifty million dollars. Let's see you play
(41:44):
well in the playoffs. But the McCarthy thing, that thing
could get weird fast. You bring in Mike Zimmer, who
you know. Say you this about Dan Quinn. You could
argue Mike Zimmer might be a better defensive mine, but
he's an angry curmudgeon who's been a head coach with
some success. Jerry clearly likes him. Because he's from the
heyday of the Cowboys. They've lost some talent, kind of pressure.
(42:06):
I know he's had a good couple of years in
the regular season, but their regular season is kind of
irrelevant now. They've been rattling off twelve wins for three
straight years and then they've been bounced in the first
round two of the last three years at home. So
I this Dallas thing now. Luckily, here's the thing you
would say about Jerry in the operation. They do draft
pretty well. I mean they have been they have drafted
(42:26):
pretty well. They don't have a running back. I mean
you see they're sniffing around Zeke's back in the building.
I mean they're kind of desperate. And it's not a
good running back draft. I don't know. I mean their
offensive skill guys aren't as good as they were a
couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
I thought it would be a decent running back draft
a year ago. But Blake Koram's not a first or
a second round pick anymore. He's not the same running back.
He's more of a third or fourth off that injury.
He just does not have the pop I thought. I
thought he was going to be like a high second
when I was thanked him.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
He's one of my favorite players.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
So here we go.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Well, you've had the stat forever about Dak's success with
running the ball right when he has to turn into
Aaron Rodgers. It fails every time.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Every time repeat. There's literally a all right, Philly has
made their pick. There's literally a line of demarcation. If
he gets like one hundred yards rushing, Dak is an
A minus quarterback. Under it, he's a C plus.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
I mean, there's no Dak's made for Jim Harbaugh style
of playing right, play defense, run the ball, try to
throw it under thirty times, or Kyle Shanahan, Mike McCarthy's.
I mean, really, what he likes to do is play
like he did in Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers and
throw the ball and not run it, even if he
technically ran it more than Kellen Moore.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
The Eagles are taking Quinny and Mitchell the Toledos small
school corner.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
That's shocking.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
People like him.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
He clearly was their top corner on the board Toledo.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
You know, it's one of those you know what's funny, John,
There's two positions in football, running back and corner. You
could either play it or you can't. I mean, Sauce
Gardner Cincinnati was the best player in college football.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
I thought that year.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
It's there's certain positions that are sort of not bust proof,
but high school to college, college du pro. If you
can man up a guy in the corner, you're going
to play the first day on campus. And I tend
to think running back in corner, even if the situation
wasn't perfect, Saquon Barkley was going to work everywhere when
(44:30):
Joe Mixon worked and they were all line was shit
his first two years in the league. Like I think corner,
if you look at this kid from Toledo, I don't
really worry too much in terms of school or competition
with running back in corner. First of all, there's a
twitchin a speed aspect. The clock tells you if they
can play, and I think this kid will end up
(44:51):
being well. First of all, he's a starter day one
for this team. They're a bit of a mess.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
I gotta do some more research on him because just
looking at the first twenty two picks and listen, I
got my football start at Fresno State, where we had
a lot of first rounders. Those days are kind of
over with the transfer portal because the moment you become
a top one hundred pick as a freshman or sophomore,
these teams come after you. Honestly, the one weird team
on here before Toledo was University in North Carolina and
(45:19):
Nick Saban tried to give Drake May five million dollars
to come play at Alabama. I mean Colin this this
first round, USC LSU, Ohio State, Notre Dame, LSU, Bama, Washington, Washington,
Penn State, Oregon, UGA, you know, UCLA, Texas, Bama. It's
I think get ready for this moving forward because all
these Power five programs at the high end, they the
moment you become a high end player as a sophomore,
(45:41):
they get you on that phone and they say, transferred
to my program. I'll give you five hundred thousand dollars.
And these small schools can't keep the player. So this
Toledo got. I just don't think we're gonna see much
of that, and honestly, we'll probably only see it once tonight.
If Brian Thomas the next guy off the board, that's LSU. Again.
It's just high end programs were used to we'd have
some random programs mixed in but now with the tree
Answer portal and nil at the high end of the draft, man,
(46:03):
these big programs just have bigger pocketbooks.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Well, this kid's got almost a forty inch vertical, so
he's a prospect.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
I'm just saying, it's kind of weird seeing that I
got to do some digging, like how he didn't get
some more phone calls. Maybe he was offered, he stayed loyal,
I mean not everyone's just jumping ship.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
But well, and the other thing is, again, cornerbacks are interesting.
So I had talked I think it was Notre Dame
or somebody played Notre Dame, played Cincinnati and Sauce Gardener.
This is fuzzy, but like Notre Dame. Basically a source
told me they just didn't want to throw the ball.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
They did, remember, they did like a home and home
Cincinnati Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
And people said, like Brian Kelly at the time, it's like, yeah,
we're just not I think it was Brian Kelly. Was
it two years ago, Yeah it was.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
It was yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
And Brian's like this, we're not going to throw it
his side of the ball. It's just we're not going
to do it. This kid doesn't have prodigious numbers. I
think he only had a couple of picks. But nobody
in Toledo's conference is throwing the ball to Quinn and
Mitchell's side of the ball. So again, cornerback and running back,
especially corner sometimes you know, teams just don't throw to
your side of the ball. To be a small school
(47:13):
first round cornerback who didn't look at tape and go,
We're going to the other side of the field. So
don't get too alarmed if you look at his numbers
and they don't jump off. This is not you know,
this is not the sec where sometimes you just you
have to throw at all corners because they're all NFL guys.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Well, based on roster alone, the Eagles have no excuse assume,
you know, assuming that they stay relatively healthy, did not
win the division, right, the Giants, they're not very good.
Washington's young. The Cowboys shouldn't have won the division last year,
but the Eagles fell apart. Now, the Eagles are spending
a lot of money on Fangio and Kellen Moore, and
there's tangible pressure this year on Jalen Right, he felt
(47:51):
like he took it a little step back last year.
It's like who Jacks do.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Look at this? In twenty twenty one, Mitchell for Toledo
played Notre Dame as a corner. He had a sack,
a forced fumble, two fumble recoveries. It's like a corner
so against good competition. Well, that's like a defensive end.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
When you are a smaller school guy and you have
those moments against the big programs like saused against Notre
Dame or this guy when he plays remember Khalil Mack
at Buffalo played Ohio State and he had three sacks.
It's like that that that changes your trajectory as a
prospect because it's hard to evaluate half your games playing
playing me and you you know, but when you get
an opportunity to play a top ten, top fifteen program
(48:35):
as a prospect a smaller school, you can kind of
change the hype on your own draft trajectory.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
So Brian Thomas, Jacksonville twenty three, that's my hunch.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Yeah, would I would agree?
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah? No, I mean they lost Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
The Cowboys go wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
I see, I could see Dallas trading up one spot
to who Jacksonville. Brian Thomas just have to Brian Thomas
go to Jacksonville. We predicted it right, We predicted it
about fifteen minutes ago. Brian Thomas, wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
I think if you're Dallas, you gotta feel pretty good
about your defense. You got multiple dbs who are impact players.
You got highly paid guys in your defensive line. All
the offense, most of the top offensive linemen are off
the board. I don't know how you don't go skill
guy here. I mean, besides Cede Lamb, who do you
feel great about? I guess that Ferguson's a solid tight end,
(49:31):
but you have no really solid now.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah, I think wide receivers the play here. Who's the
best wide receiver?
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Well, that's probably up for debate. You know a lot
of people like the Georgia mcconkee, Kid we Worthy weighs
one hundred and ten pounds. Worthy Worthy Dak do not
feel like a fit, do they?
Speaker 2 (49:48):
No, Dak's not a terribly accurate thrower and Worthy is tiny.
You know, it'd be different if you could get like,
Brian Thomas is a big target, Roma Dunze is a
big target, Harrison. You can't give me a small target
with an inaccurate quarterback. You know, if you're gonna have
a smaller target. Give me a Matt Stafford, Give me
(50:08):
an Aaron Rodgers. Give me a guy who's a pinpoint thrower, Mahomes,
a guy that's a little wild. I mean, I just
don't think Dak's ever been an elite, a plus arm guy.
I could see Dallas, I'll be honest with you. I
could see Dallas trading out of this thing.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Yeah, I could too. I could too. And maybe one
of those teams. I mean, is this a spot where
could Kansas City come up? You know, I don't worthy.
I think has some question marks off the field. Andy.
They just had that situation with Rice, you know, I
don't know if they want to bring multiple question marks
into that wide receiver room. It's one thing to have one,
(50:42):
but if you got two of your six guys.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
All right, So, folks, we've been doing this all night.
This is our final pick for John.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
And I take a shocker of the night.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Panis Panix at eight. The biggest shocker. I think a
lot of it's been predictable. I think the fact that
no defensive players went until the fifteenth pick is historically shocking.
You know, John, the player that I worry about a
Marius Mims at Cincinnati is one of those where I'm
(51:14):
a little gun shy, guy's got no starts that worries me.
In a division with excellent pass rushes that worries me.
That's a good defensive division.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
I'd say that the pick that I just and I
know they had to do it. But Drake May first
time head coach, who's young, who's been coaching for five years,
who was a player seven years ago, who has all
this negativity surrounding the organization, that's a tough spot. Yeah,
we talked about some of these spots. Caleb's in a
great spot, JJ's in a great spot. Bo Nicks gets
Sean Payton, Drake May gets Jerrod Mayow, Jonathan Kraft and
(51:49):
no one around him. Gronkowski and Edelman ain't walking through
that door.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Oh no, it's it is Lean I mean, it's Devonte Parker,
It's it's is Juju Smiths Schuster.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Still the Yeah, the conference is good. Think of all
the quarterbacks in that conference. That's tough. Now he technically
they got Jacoby Brissette. He doesn't have to start right away,
but you go one in five, who the hell is
gonna want to watch Jakobe Brissette. You know, so this
guy is gonna get thrown to the fire. It always happens,
and he just like.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
New England's New England's O lines. Okay, so my guess
is New England goes heavy tight end receiver back because
they went they went big interior. They went three guards
last year, so the interior O line is good.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
I got another one, which again the guy is a
fantastic prospect. But Malik Neighbors of the Giants, they have
Daniel Jones, who's awful coming off in a cl and
de vido. I mean, what that's not gonna work. I
mean when they drafted Odell Beckham, you know Eli could
still play and Eli always had a big arm. I mean,
Neighbors is a down the field, stretched the field speak
(52:58):
guy Daniel Owns is like a poor man's Alex Smith
on his best day. It's dunkin and duncan so is.
They don't have a quarterbacks what. This guy's a good player.
I get why they drafted him, but the fit for
the team, I don't know if that's really helping you
this year.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
I mean, it can't hurt. He's he's very much a
y can't hurt God, there's just so many good players.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
There was that run of once the Colts went with
Law two, the next top d lineman basically went in
the next four picks Murphy Turner than Mims, than Verse.
So it's one of those things where they say you
wait on the run, and then once the run starts,
you know you got to get involved. Kind of why
Minnesota trade it up right away because they could see
it coming.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
What I'm really fascinated to watch is bo Nix in
Denver because I literally think he went to the perfect coach.
I think JJ McCarthy and Bo Nicks have limitations. They
literally landed in the perfect spot. Bo Nicks is gonna
play immediately at sixty one college starts. They're not f around.
They're gonna play Bow next. They're not gonna wait. Bo's
(54:03):
I had Bow on my show for about twenty minutes,
talk to him ten minutes off the air before he
came on and after. Bow's really smart. Bo's dad was
a coach. He was a five star. Remember he was
a five star Southern recruit. People forget this Bowl was.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Remember his first start was against Oregon. Wasn't that game
against Herbert that was his first ever start. Remember that,
like twenty nineteen or twenty I do, And it was
a fantastic game. Came right down the freshman, wasn't he.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (54:25):
I think he played really well in that game. Then
it all kind of was downhill after that.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
True fresh So you was like eighteen years old, Yes,
he was a freshman. I remember that game and Auburn
won late and if I recall, bo had a very
good late drive to win the game for Auburn over Oregon.
I remember that game.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Yeah, I'm not listen. I think he's overdrafted for the league. Yeah,
but I completely understand the fit with Sean Payton. And
let's face it, you talk about this all the time
anyone that fall football does. Where you go and who
you fit with. You put Brock Purty with girod Mayo,
No one's talking about Brock party. You put Brock Purty
with with Kyle Shanahan. Mats Stafford was good no matter
(55:11):
where he got. You get him to Sean McVay, it's
lights out right, so you get the hot Patrick Mahomes
probably would have been Okay, he gets with Andy Reid
all time great. So bow Nicks definitely has a chance.
Remember Sean tried to do that pivot with Taysom, but
Taysom couldn't throw the ball, but he wanted that athletic guy.
Now he gets a quarterback that can move like this
guy can throw Taysom couldn't.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Really, Hey, Teddy Bridgewater went five and zero backing up Breeze.
Teddy is closer to a bon Nix in terms of
size arm strength. So, I mean Peyton's career is Breeze
Teddy Bridgewater. Bone Nicks is the fit. I was told
very early that he did prefer Bonnicks to Michael Pennox.
I was told that very early in the process.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
It's his offense more for sure, He's not.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
No. I mean, listen, Shanahan, like Kirk Cousins, these these
a lot of these guys, they've got fits. I mean,
like Kyle's very much tied to his play sheet. And
by the way, so is Sean Payton, so is Lincoln Riley.
Now McVeigh isn't as much, Lufleur isn't as much. But
some of these offensive guys have a play sheet. And
that's why this year Caleb with the Battle Line did
(56:16):
a lot of ad limbings out of Lincoln Riley's playshet
and so us. He has this kid Miller Moss. He's
gonna follow the sheet, which I think Lincoln's gonna like.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Well, I think Kevin O'Connell is really more of a
disciple the way he thinks about football, more closer to
Kyle and Sean than he than Sean Payton, than Sean McVay,
who kind of wants Jean mcvay's a little closer to
Andy Reid, you know, the way he wants to coach
and throw it. Its just I'll tell you where to
throw it. You get rid of the ball, the guy
will be open. If he's not, go quick to the
other guy.
Speaker 4 (56:43):
If not, just get rid.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Of the ball and we'll just call another play. So
I would imagine Kyle Shanahan, Sean Payton, you know, obviously,
Kevin O'Connell, the JJ McCarthy bo Knicks, just play under control,
high completion percentage and do what I tell you, and
a smart, high character guy's type guys they like. And
again it's depending on what Andy Reid wants to go deep, right,
(57:07):
that's historically what he likes to do, So he likes
a certain type quarterback. Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick or Patrick
mahomes with a big arm. What makes him so special
is he can pivot, no problem. You give him Alex Smith,
he can win eleven games. Most guys kind of struggle
once they find the middle ground.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
All right, one more pick. We will have been on
officially two hours. You know what, man, it's been great.
Speaker 6 (57:28):
This thing is.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
What's your guess on how many millions if people watched
the first hour of this thing with these quarterbacks?
Speaker 2 (57:34):
Oh, I think I think this will be the most
watch draft easily. And my guess is it will beat
the NBA games tonight signific destroy them, Yeah, hammer them.
My guess. Last year had eleven million viewers between the
two networks. I thought it was my guess it'll be
closer to thirteen. Now again, Lakers do have an AUDI.
(57:55):
I mean New York and LA are playing NBA games.
That doesn't.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
It'll be it'll be the first hour because you Chicago
dialed in Washington and these are massive markets, right Boston,
The Giants all in the top. I've at the top
six like that first forty five minutes of the draft.
I'm sure it was one.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
It peaked all right, Dallas is traded the pick. But dude,
we have been freaking on it tonight. We predicted Dallas
would trade the pick. And so the Cowboys traded to
the Detroit Lions. And so how many did they drop?
Four spots? Three spots?
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah, Lions would be picking twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
Okay, so they already made their selection. So let's just
stick around for what Detroit drafts.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
So we You know one thing that worked when I
was with the Eagles my first year, I got sent
to Radio City Music Hall and it was cool. You
remember when the draft was there forever, This traveling circus
thing they got going feels like a bigger event, doesn't
it with all these people. I mean, it's it's it
pops on television.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
They had one hundred fifty thousand people at this two
hours before. That's what it did. I mean, that doesn't
make sense. That's like the Obama speech in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
It's like this this move by the by the NFL
League office. Rogers, Ben Genius, it all right.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
Detroit Tarrian Arnold cornerback, absolute need. Jeff Acodo a couple
of years ago into Ohio State was a kind of
a bust. So not a surprise at all. They go
corner again. The outside the Amarus mimes Cincinnati little concerning
for me. It's a bit of a risk. He didn't
play much outside of that kind of predictable, I mean,
(59:37):
so let's go back and review. Michael Pennox to Atlanta
is the shock of the draft?
Speaker 1 (59:43):
It's it.
Speaker 4 (59:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:45):
We were talking bo Nick's Denver a month ago that
that maybe a reach.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
For six months. JJ McCarthy to Minnesota. I think the
only thing shocking there is that Minnesota didn't have to
trade too far up and they ended up coming out
of this draft with both their picks and they got
JJ McCarthy, Dallas Turner, they got They gotta feel pretty
good about that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
This has been fun, Buddy.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Enjoyed it. How do you beat the first round of
the NFL Draft?
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Oh my god? This is this is an adult video,
adult entertainment for.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
John and I. This is how it really is.
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
The only thing missing was a cocktail. Jesus, all right,
I'll be on FS one tomorrow, John middlecoff three and out, Buddy,
this is we were gonna go forty minutes. We're two
hours in.
Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
If we got a second and third round tomorrow, Colin
so uh all the podcasts out Friday Night.
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
See you, buddy.
Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
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