September 27, 2022 • 43 mins
First, (3:00) Colin explains why he’s more locked into college football than he has been in a long time, and why no one should be outraged over Bills OC Ken Dorsey’s coaching box implosions during Buffalo’s last second loss.
Then, Bengals Quarterback Joe Burrow joins Colin for his first ever appearance after a win to discuss the weight lifted with their Week 3 win over the Jets (16:00), if he was surprised to see Tee Higgins’ make his freakish circus catch (22:00), his experience competing against Tua (25:00), why he can relate to Justin Herbert playing hurt (27:00), why he’s goes dark on social media during the season (29:00), what he saw from his first game against Jets rookie CB Sauce Gardner (33:00), the origin of some of his many nicknames (35:00), if he’s still fooled by pre-snap defensive looks (41:00), why there’s more trash talk in divisional games (43:00), and why he lost his temper in the AFC Championship game against the Chiefs (45:00).
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in about five minutes, so storytime with Uncle Colin. I
tend to be a creature of habit. I can be
very repetitive, eat the same oatmeal for breakfast, exercise at
the same time, go to bed at the same time.
So I've always thought one of the things that was
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really attractive when I met my wife Anne fifteen years
ago is that, you know, she's an artist. She does
a lot of things. Well, she's a designer, she's an artist,
she's a great mom, she's a great friend, she's a
great planner. So it was one of the things where
you know, I kind of looked myself in the mirror
and thought, you know, I was in my early forties,
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and I'm like, I'm boring, and you know, I had
been divorced and I thought, I want to be with
somebody that kind of energizes me and creates a cool
environment that I'm not really good at. And so when
I met and that's what she does. I mean, if
we take the kids on vacation, if we're going on
vacation or just a weekend, always got a smart, fun
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plan and you know you do the same thing right,
maybe you're a great planner. Like if we're going to
go skiing for four or five days. The first night
it's theater night. We make pizza as a family. Second
day we ski, third day at snowmobiles, fourth day we
go to a concert. But just a variety of different things.
And I know that it's not a strength of mine,
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and I know it's one of her many strengths. So
it's I know, I could just sit on the couch
and be boring, and I would, you know, die a sad,
lonely old man with cats that don't like me and
empty skull cans because I've been dipping all day. All right,
back to the story. One of the things that was
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really bothering me about college football. It's a sport I
really love. I watched ten hours of college football Saturday.
It was probably the most college football I've watched in
a single day in like seven years. And I like
college football. But it was repetitive. It was the same
thing over and over. And it doesn't matter if Sark
lost or Mario crystal Ball lost in USC One. It
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feels like there are so many engaging stories in college
football this year. Is that is Mario crystal Ball going
to work? What the hell? They just lost a Middle
Tennessee state? Did SARK lose to Texas Tech? Oh? My god,
Lincoln Riley pulled it out? Is that college football, because
of how it's constructed, the better you are, the more
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great recruits you get. It's a dynasty driven sport, and
so to break that up the SEC's dominance, you need
glamour markets that can pull away young people. Miami, Texas,
USC are going to recruit really at a high level.
We got enough Georgia's, Alabama's in Clemson, Oklahoma's. We got
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enough rural programs and they're great. But what I've noticed
with me as a consumer is that the sport now
has more layers and more stories and more interesting fast.
It's to it. I'm not going on vacation and doing
the same thing for five days. Like Saturday, I got
Oklahoma being upended. I got USC and their build winning.
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I get Texas upset, Mario crystal ball whiffs against Middle
Tennessee State. I've got Clemson almost lost. I just want
more to the vacation. I want more to my stories.
And maybe that's selfish, but college football ratings and attendance
has declined seven straight years. Do you want to bet
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this year college football ratings are up They already are,
and that college football attendance will increase. So I banged
on this. I've said this for years what I do
for a living. It is not my responsibility to make
your sport or your team interesting. Once you're interesting, i'll
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talk about you. And as an avid college football fan,
I just took eight years off from the sport. Texas
went in the tank, Miami went in the tank, USC
went in the tank. West Coast Football went in the tank.
Now UCLA is unbeaten, USC's unbeaten. The Pac twelve looks
better Now I've got Michigan's A real player is notre
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name Marcus Freeman gonna work. I don't know any other
way to say it or any other analogy. But if
you like spice to your life, if you like colors
in different shades, different sizes, different stories, I think college
football right now is the most interesting it has been
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in close to ten years. Doesn't mean Alabama can't win it.
I don't care how the last game goes. My guess
is Alabama and Georgia end up in the playoff. The
other two though, Ohio State, I think, but they could
lose to Michigan. Does USC get in if they beat Utah?
I mean USC is going to be favored in every
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game except one going forward, and they have the best
offensive coach probably in college football. So for me, it's
been a great football season. I always know what I'm
gonna get from the NFL. I'm gonna get parody, I'm
gonna get surprises. I mean, this weekend, the Bills lose,
Kansas City loses, the Jaguars crush the Chargers. That's what
makes the NFL great. You do get a lot of
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different storylines. But now I feel like I'm getting that
on Saturday, not just Sunday. You know, I saw a
lot of different reactions to Ken Dorsey, the offensive coordinator,
imploding in the Buffalo Bills coaches room upstairs as they
lost to Miami. First of all, it was an agonizing
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day for the Bills. They were clearly the better team,
so you had a lot of stress. And it's also
been a team that struggles to win close games. They're
six or seven the last two years in games decided
by eight or less. But it didn't bother me. It
was a little over the top. But one of my
frustrations with the media is we want access, okay, fine,
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and then we complain about what we see or here
if you want cameras inside that coaching cubicle. Shit ain't pretty.
On a half a dozen occasions in my life, I
have been upstairs and sat within the vicinity of more
in college than pro but sat in the vicinity of
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a team's coaching room. It is non stopped screaming, emotion, yelling, passion.
If you're gonna put a camera in there, deal with
the reality of it. They weren't necessarily yelling at a person.
They weren't debasing or dehumanizing a person. They're yelling through
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a headset. They're often yelling to themselves. But the media
does this all the time. They want access to things
and then you don't. It's like asking a question in
life and being pissed off at the answer. Well, they'll
ask the question like Ken Dorsey flipped, all right, what
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do you think he's gonna be happy? I mean, Brady
broke two tablets. The NFL responded with a press release
warning players do not break tablets. Ken Dorsey didn't even
break the headset. He was just pissed. But that's why
I never My wife and I have talked about this.
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Don't ask questions where you may get an answer you
don't like. Don't put the cameras in there. The coaches,
by the way, don't want the cameras in there. The
coaches don't want to do hard knocks. The coaches don't
want to do the midseason hard knocks. It's not what
the teams want, it's what the league wants. On a
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semi annual basis, they come and notify teams, Hey, for
the overall TV product, we're gonna put cameras here, here, here, here.
Nobody on the staff once it. But should they be inauthentic?
Should they pretend like they're not mad. Yeah, Ken Dorsey
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West Virginia. And here he is Joe Burrow. So we
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talked about this last week. I said, I watched the
second half against Dallas and I'm like, Okay, it's all good.
Now you've got some reps. And I really felt watching
the second half against Dallas and the first half against
the Jets. I was like, all right, it's not perfect,
but I just as a consumer watched it and thought, yeah,
they got their stuff together. Did you feel like after
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Dallas and the week of practice, when when you're sitting
there in pregame, did you feel like, yeah, this is
gonna click. I feel like we're at a place we
weren't two weeks ago. Yeah. We had great arrogancy throughout
the entire weeks. Offensive line I thought played great inteer.
The pocket was unbelievably firm, allow me to step up
and get out of some sticky situations. And receivers played great,
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and we were playing on time efficient the entire first half.
Second half. We'd like to have some throws back and
you need to finish better, but you know, we finished
the game with a eight minute drive, ran the ball
on every snap, and so that was a big physicality
moment for us to prove that, hey, we can go
out and do this. We'n getting thirteen personnel and run
it down your throat if we have to, And so
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that was a big stepping stone for us. You know,
at this point in my career, I don't have disaster shows,
so you know, everything's at least you know, B B
minus level. Whatever your week is either win or fail,
and that's how athletes look. So when that game ends,
just be as honest as you can the emotion, how
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good it feels in this league, the flight home, they'll
walk into the tunnel like it changes look at your
smile like it changes everything, right, changes everything. And you know,
we have a lot of carry over from last year,
a lot of guys, but it's the twenty twenty two Bengals.
Last year is over, and so we were trying to
get over that hump of that first win. First one's
always the hardest, and so it was exciting in the
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locker room and playing around home was fun obviously, so
a lot of corrections to be made. Film was what
it was. But you know, when you get that win,
food taste better, you sleep better at night, everybody's happier
in the locker room. The ping pong games are more
fun in the locker room, and so winning winning just
makes everything better. So, um, we were talking about this,
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and my kind of preamble is that the media loves
to put cameras around athletes and then they don't like
what they see. So Ken Dorisey freaks out My takeaway
it was, well, ship's been happening for a hundred years,
you just didn't have a camera there. And Tom Brady's
breaking iPad or whatever he's breaking. And I'm like, guys,
when I go to work, it's not win or lose.
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So as I watched Dorisey, I thought, oh my god,
that is I've I've sat next to coaching cubicles a
half dozen times as immediate person, and the language during
the game, I can hear it through the walls. So
you sometimes get on the headset and I mean, does
it happen like once or twice a Sunday, Joe, or
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maybe it doesn't anymore for you, or a coach barks,
a coach is up your ass, he's pissed off. Yeah,
let's be honest. This is a very emotional game. There's
a lot riding on each and every single game. Every
game in the NFL counts, and at the end of
the year you can look back at one or two
plays in a certain game where if it goes your way,
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you lose it. Maybe you're in the playoffs. And so
when coaches have these reactions and players have these reactions,
you got to take a step back and understand how
much work we put into each and every play every
single week, and so when it doesn't go your way,
emotions are going to run high. And that's just the
way it is. We talked about it last week how
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the nation is so polarized. Football is very polarizing. Like
you said, you win or you lose, and if you win,
the mistakes that you make, you know, you go back
and correct them, but they're not as big of a deal.
And then if you lose, you go back and look
at these mistakes. If I would have hit this one,
we would have won. If he would have made this block,
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we would have won. If you know, I would have
checked this protection, we would have won. So emotions are
going to run high in this game. That's just the
way it is, based off the amount of work that
everybody puts in. So when t Higgins makes a catch
like that, you've obviously run the play before in practice, right,
But there's something about the juice of a real game.
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Like when he caught that ball, I'm like, when he
high pointed, I'm like, is he doing that at practice
every day? Or was that like a moment You're like, oh, okay,
he took the elevator one floor higher than he had
or had you seen him make stuff like that in practice.
You see flashes in practice. Obviously the season it's a
little different. Everyone's bodies or you're trying to recover for Sunday,
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and obviously you got to get your work in. But
you know, he probably doesn't go up and try to
make that play in practice. And so when you see
a guy like tea big, strong, fast jumping out of
the gym, I mean you should go watch his basketball highlights,
jumping from the free throw line between the legs Duncan.
It's incredible. And so when you have a guy like that,
you just throw it up to him and let him
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go do what he does. I also think when I
watch the Bengals, Joe, I think I look at you
guys a little like the Rams. Not just because you
ended up in the Super Bowl. You're what I would
call you have more than one way to win. You're
kind of a let it rip team. The Warriors in
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basketball are like this, Like they miss a lot of
shots that you know, Steph Curry's doing behind the back
stuff and you're like, Steph, what are you doing? Like
you guys have kind of an aggressive culture. And I'll
say this one of the ad manages Joe, that you
guys don't have the Steeler's history, so there's no reason
to play it safe. Yeah, and so like like the
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Rams came to La, well what was the Saint Louis
Rams history? But when I watch you, I don't know.
There are certain teams that make mistakes and I'm like,
that's bad for them. I watch you and I'm kind
of like, nah, it's very Rams. It's like I kind
of like Matt Stafford, He's gonna have a pick, make
the throw. Yeah, that's my That's how from the outside
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that when I watch you, I'm like, I like you
guys aggressive. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah. We felt that
on Sunday, and that was a big emphasis for me
going in. You know, Week one, I was aggressive. I
throw four picks. Last week I probably played a little safe.
Our defense is playing great, we end up losing. And
so this week I think I found a good balance
of you know, I took some chances, scrambled rills, situations
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where you know, maybe I shouldn't have, but you know,
I wouldn't look back and regret any of them. But
also I threw the ball down the field and let
our guys try to make plays in one on one situations.
Maybe it wasn't a perfect throw, or maybe he didn't
have five yards of separation, but those guys are so
good in contested catch situations. I'm going to give him
those opportunities. And that's when we're at our best. We're
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throwing the ball down the field. Maybe we don't hit it,
but the defense feels that they feel the ball in
the year fifty yards, they feel the speed of our
receivers coming off the ball. That opens up the run game.
That's going to open up the underneath passing game. And
so you got to take those chances. And I think
we found a good balance this week. So you had
a legendary game against TWA where there was like eight
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NFL guys on the field, like skill players everywhere. I
remember it well, and you know, you meet to it.
You guys actually get a little bit of a break
where their defense was on the field literally the entire
game in unbelievable humidity, and now they have to travel
and it's a short week that happens about once a
season where you get a little bit of a you know,
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a little bit of a twelve fifteen percent scheduling break
and but but go back to Tah. Before you'd played
against him live or seen Tah, what did you even
the name sounds iconic? What did you know about him?
What have you made about him when you've seen him
or played against him? Well, the first my first time
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watching toa was when he came in at halftime in
the National title game. I was like, who is this
true freshman coming in here in the middle of the
national title game, hasn't started a snap and he's gonna
come in and do what he does was unbelievable. I
hadn't started a game at the time, and I was like,
there's true freshman doing this. I don't have a chance,
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and you know, we come play him. That was a
fun game, you know. That was That was kind of
our coming out party as a TA LSU. You know,
we knew we were good, but you know, we're playing
Alabama on the road. Let's see how good we really
are and it turns out we were pretty good. Yeah,
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that was that was There's an argument to be made
there's never been a college game ever played with more
talent on the field. Could you feel it? Oh? Yeah,
I mean you run into guys. It seems like every
week that you played against from Alabama, and you know,
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we jump out on them early and then we get
up two scores with like three minutes left, and all
of a sudden to a hit Stavante Smith down the
sideline for a long touchdown on the first playing like
oh here we go, we gotta go out here again,
and this is just back and forth and you could
see the speed on the field. So I was watching
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Justin Herbert yesterday. He obviously decided to play. He was
in huge pain, so he got the shot. Which I've
talked to multiple players. It's like, listen, it's not going
to cause further damage, it's just going to be really painful.
And you got to take a shot and take me
to your career, high school, college, pro. What is the
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most pain you've been in during a football game? So
during the game, I would say the the National title
game my senior year. Did something to my ribs at
right before half of that game, so the second half
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was pretty painful. Last year we played the Chargers, I
dislocated my finger in like the first series and my
hand blew up like a balloon, and that was not
very fun. It was able to fight through it, played
through that the whole rest of the year. But that's
part of the game, just playing through injuries. And I
think as quarterbacks we have a responsibility to play through
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those kind of things because we're not grinding like the
rest of the positions. Our offensive defensive line getting car
backs on every single play, and we're back there in
the pocket distributing the ball. Show our toughness when we can.
You gotta play through injuries. You gotta show your toughness
to those guys and have their backs. That's the way
I look at it, justin as an unbelievable player, and
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I know he probably thinks the same way that I do. Yeah,
did you ever see him play at Oregon? I mean
you see the Chargers tape. I had never seen him
play at Oregon. I knew he was big, strong, you know,
Pack twelve after dark. You don't get to watch it
very much. I mean just but my first time watching
him was at the Combine, and you know, I wasn't
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participating and he was throwing and I was just like,
this guy just throws it so effortlessly, so so fun
to watch him play. Unbelievable talent, he's just getting better
and better, and I mean I think he's one of
one of the top guys right now. Yeah, so it
was interesting you you made news last week. I thought
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it was interesting you said I kind of got off
social and I don't do all my social I have
about twenty five percent of it I do, and then
seventy five percent staff. But I have a daughter and
I have a son, and I'm constantly saying, guys, it's
not reality. These people are They don't care about you.
A lot of people are boughts. Yeah. Were you surprised,
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I mean it was quoted everywhere. I think it's the
thing to do. Lebron James does this. He just goes
dark like I think I would do it. But I'm
old now, so I laugh at all of it, right,
Like it's easy for me. I'm in my fifties. If
I was in my twenties and I was a quarterback, like,
I don't want that stuff upstairs. Were you surprised by that?
Did anybody say anything to you personally or the reaction
you got, because it really got talked about a lot.
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Yah See, I didn't. That's a great thing about deleting
your social you didn't. You don't see the reaction, so
I didn't even know. But you know, it's tough because
you know, use those platforms to communicate with people that
you know, people from home, people that you went to
college with, and maybe you haven't don't have your number,
but you still want to talk to and so use
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it for that. But there's so much negativity on all
the platforms that it's just tough to deal with, sometimes
positively and negatively. And so you want to be as quarterbacks.
We got to maintain even keel through the whole game,
the whole season. It's a marathon. You can't get too
high and you can't get too low. And I think
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social media is a net negative for people in our position.
You know, it's funny. Years ago I was at a
steakhouse in Tampa and Derek Jeter was there. It was
spring training, years and years ago, and he walked in
with about six of his guys and he had these guys.
He rolled with a couple of Yankees, couple just like
high school buddies, college buddies, whatever, or I don't think
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he went to college now he's Kalamazoi went to the
miners and so I remember reading a story about Derek,
and Derek said, you know, I try to stay around
positive people because there's no rule for negativity or cynicism,
because it gets into my head. And I remember somebody
wants to ask Jeter, when you're in a slump, which
you've had very few what do you think about? And
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he said, all I just think about is hit the
ball hard, be positive. And so you always hear the
business axiom like don't surround yourself with yes man, And
I'm like, I gotta be honest. I don't like hanging
out with disagreeable people. I agree with most of my
friends and they say nice things to me, and I
say nice things to them. But as an Ohio guy,
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you want to keep it real. You want to be authentic.
But stuff gets upstairs. Man, I've gone to enough therapy
in my life. Negativity is a drain. Like what's the
balance for you? Your shit talking buddies are still part
of your life, but like, you've got to be in
the right mental space, Joe, you're literally the face of
a multi billion dollar corporation. Yeah, that's why I try
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to exude as much confidence as I can. You know,
Clothing on the field press conference because sometimes you gotta
trick yourself into it. You know something, this stuff is
really really hard, and you know, we know the work
that we put in, but it's not always gonna go great.
And if you lose any confidence at any point, it's
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just gonna snowball on you. And so you gotta sometimes
you gotta trick yourself into it and go out there
and say, maybe I'm not feeling great, but damn it,
I'm gonna go out and win this game. I'm gonna
play great. It's gonna be it's gonna be a great
day for us. And sometimes it's just like that, and
you know you will you need some negativity, you need
some people to tell you, hey, we need to do
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this better, we need to do this better. But at
the same time, you know yourself and you know when
you have to tune that stuff out and just get
in your zone of confidence and I'm gonna go out
there and play the way that I play. Think about this.
I always think about cornerbacks. I thought Sauce Gardner was
the best college player I saw last year. So he's
just as you saw this weekend, like he's a complete baller.
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Think about being a corner where it is a great
day if you only give up six catches to Jamar Ches.
I mean, that position is all confidence. So what did
you see about Sauce Gardner on film in person? Because
I think he's got some Dion stuff working. Yeah, it was,
you know, it's just two games. It was tough to
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see on film a little bit, but then you get
out there and play him and you're like, oh, this
guy's big, long and fast. You know, there was a
through a go route to Jamar and his recovery speed
on that was pretty unbelievable. And so he's just gonna
keep getting better. I told him, I know, I talked
to him after the game. I said, hey, you're gonna
be great man. He's a big, physical, talented corner that
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he's just gonna keep getting better. I mean, he's a
rookie and he's gonna be fun to watch. You know.
I was talking about this with the staff today. So
not that you care. But the reason my show is
called The Herd is because years ago I worked out
of college. I got a job of the minor league
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baseball team doing an inning of play by play in sales.
So they hired me out of Eastern Washington university and
they let me do one inning of play by play,
but I had to do sales all day long, which sucks.
So the guy who was ran the team could never
remember my you know, he just like Cole a cow
and so he just called me heard Heard Heard. So
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years later, I get into radio and I noticed that
all the radio people that you know, stern oprah Imus,
Seacrest or whatever, everybody had one name. So I thought heard.
So I went and looked at your nicknames, and you
got to explain a couple. So I okay, So generationally,
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Joe schisty, what does that means? Somebody had posted a
video some kind of highlight last year and it just
kind of I took off. Um, that was crazy. I mean,
there's some people who just come up with all these
out of the blue. It's pretty People always ask me
which ones are my favorite. I'm like, that's not for
me to decide. That's for you guys to decide. You
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make the nicknames. I'm not calling myself that. I'm not
running out calling myself like making a dinner reservation. It's
mister shysty. Nobody's doing that. So I didn't know what
shicety means. Does it mean anything. I don't think it
really does. I think it's just uh, there's a rapper
named Pooh Shicty Um. Okay, yeah, maybe it's off of that.
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I don't know, Joe burr Um. That one I think
came after I like to wear a little jewelry every
now and then. Um, and so maybe I had some
diamonds on that day. I don't know. Ah, some ice. Yeah,
there you go, thank you, thank you. I literally got
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credibility on this entire podcast on knowing what ice means.
I know one time Joey Taylor on my show, this
was like three years ago, use lit and I said,
I'd like to use that in a conversation today. And
the pathetic thing was I must have used it seven
times day. My wife's like, you sound like such an idiot,
and I'm like, you learn a word. I can't help myself.
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So for the record, I don't have I have one
piece of jewelry. It's I got this in Italy. What
is the line on cool and too Much? Yeah? Like,
what's your line? There's definitely a line and you know
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it when you see it. It's hard to describe, but
I would say six or seven chains is probably too much. Okay,
one or two key subtle not I don't like to
wear it if it's gonna pop and it's gonna, you know,
take away from the outfit that I'm wearing. But somebody
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notices it, like, oh, that's cool. So there's definitely a line.
So there was a moment. I really liked Jimmy Garoppolo.
I think the media doesn't understand how hard this stuff is.
So Garoppolo had they took the playbook from him because
they wanted Trey Lance to play. He didn't practice, he
was off to the side, he had shoulder surgery, he
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didn't take a stamp in preseason, he didn't play week one,
he didn't start Week two, and he opens up at
Denver in that altitude against Randy Gregory Bradley cho It's like,
come on. The kid admitted after the game, he's like,
I'm just out of sorts. So he had a moment
when he stepped out of the end zone and I'm like,
I didn't. It's just like the game's going. Fans have
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no idea what it's like to be in a stadium.
But Dan Orlovsky was literally half the way through it,
and that was kind of comedic. But has there ever
been a moment for you? I mean, Jesus, super Bowl Lights,
AFC Championship. Have you ever sort of like looked at
film a week later and thought, I kind of lose
myself the spacing you get turned around in a sack,
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you get spun around. Because I looked at Garoppolo and
I'm like, I'm surprised it doesn't happen like weekly in
this league, especially when you're in the back. Hella Punter
kicked a ball into a guy's butt, Like, I get it.
It's have you ever lost yourself in a game? You know?
I like to think my spatial awareness is one of
my better qualities as a quarterback. I've definitely lost track
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of the clock. We had two delay games on Sunday.
And what happens when you lose? What tell me what
happens there? Well, you know, you're surveying the defense, they're
giving you a different look. You're trying to get the
protection sorted out. Maybe a receiver lined up in the
wrong split, so you got to get that figured out.
And then you look at the clock. That's three seconds left.
There's no time to snap the ball. You're trying to
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get it snapped. But you're on the silent came and
so that's you know, you gotta do. I mean, that's
part of the job. You gotta get everything organized, you
gotta know what everybody's doing, and so you gotta get
it all figured out, and then you got to get
it all done in forty seconds, sometimes twenty five. That's
part of the job. I called I called a timeout
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when we didn't have a timeout in AU basketball one time,
it lost us to the game. That was pretty devastating.
Oh brutal. Yeah, um, yeah, that's the first one that
comes to mind there. That was tough. By the way,
Brady didn't get a playoff this weekend. Caleb Williams at
USC couldn't get a playoff. Again. I just don't think
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the audience has any ideas. So you basically come out,
the first thing you're looking at is where they're lined up.
Then you have to call a protection. You're playing with
twenty four year old kids. Somebody's lined up wrong. Half
the time, you already have the play. Does anybody talk
to you during that sequence from the sideline so the
helmet cuts off at fifteen seconds, you get the play,
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But you know, sometimes you're trying to figure out if
you want to challenge the play before. So maybe you
have the play, but you're not breaking the huddle quite yet,
so you don't know if you're going to run that play.
And then all of a sudden, it's down to twenty seconds.
You can't get anymore feedback from the coach. Sometimes the
headset goes out. The headset went out in the playoff
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game against the Titans. For a whole series. We in
a two minute We didn't have a time out to
get to the sideline and change helmets, and so you
have I had to call the whole series. Sometimes that's
what being quarterbacks about. It's about minimizing mistakes and just
making it work when everything around you is going poorly. Yeah,
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are you still ever fooled by a pre snap movement
all the time? I mean we had an unscouted look.
I mean you, when you're as explosive as we are
on offense, you're going to get unscouted looks every single week.
And so you get to the line and you're like,
I've never seen this off film before. What in the
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world is this? And so you try to get through
that play and try to find a completion or try
to minimize that mistake, and then you go off to
the sideline, look at the pictures, talk to the coaches
about it. Then you're gonna have an answer to it
next time. But you know, defensive coordinators are really really
good at what they do, and defensive players are really
really good at what they do, and so they're always
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going to have wrinkles to what they've shown on film.
If they bring this blitz out of this look, then
they're going to drop out of it the next time.
They always have a compliment to what they've shown on film,
and then they always come in with one or two
wrinkles that you haven't seen before. You have to handle
on the fly. Did the Jets talk or they chatty?
Are some teams chattier? Division games are usually a lot
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more chatty. Non division Baltimore feels chatty to me. Baltimore's chatty.
Pittsburgh is sometimes Browns are very chatty, So I don't
I don't think i've had any. Usually non division games
aren't as intense and trash talking. Isn't that crazy I've heard?
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I've heard. Peyton Manning told me two weeks ago, he goes,
there's preseason speed, regular season speed, Division game speed, and
I'm like really, He's like, oh, yeah, so you a
Raven's game is different. Yeah, You've just played them so much.
You know all their looks, you know their calls, and
so you know coming in they're gonna have a wrinkle
(37:37):
for me that I'm not gonna expect, and they might
get you a couple of times, and sometimes you're they
know all your signals, so you got to come up
with new signals that week because you've played them six
times over the last three years, and they just have
so much film on you. And you've played these same
players three years straight and so you have history with them.
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It's just the division games have a different feeling. Do
you like them more? Though? I do? I do? You know,
I always enjoy the ultruck competitive parts of the game.
And when you get sacked by the same guy that
you got sacked by last year and you got a
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couple of words for you, that gets your fire going
and that reminds you why why you play the game,
because you know, throughout the week, all the media it
can kind of get overwhelming sometimes and then you get
out there and you're in your zone and you're the
bullets are flying, You're like, oh, this is why I
do it. This is why we put in all the
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work to come out here and make plays. And that's
why you see everybody dancing and celebrating after touchdowns and sacks,
because there's so much work that goes into it, and
it's so hard, and there's so much attention on every
game and you go out and make a play, you
want to celebrate that, and so that's that's always exciting
when you see guys excited to make a play and
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their teammates excited for them. All right. Finally, let's circle
back to the temper, the Brady, the Dorsey. I don't
think I have a huge temper. And then like once
a month, there'll just be something that will you know,
my kids will do something and I'll be like, oh
my god, they've done this ten times. Have you ever
just lost it? Just come on glued with a coach
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and just to practice a bad route. When's the last
time you lost it? There were some intense conversations on
the sideline against the Chiefs last year in the AFC
Championship game. Um, do tell well, there was you know,
sometimes you go to the line with two plays. You
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gotta get to one based off the look, and they
gave us a look that you know, it was a
little murky, and my decision was probably not the right one,
but I felt it was at the time, and so
you know, I'm gonna try not to show it with
my body language. But conversation got a little heated. That's
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probably that's the only time since I've been in the
NFL and that's happened. But you know, we got great
coaches that understand it gets a little intense out there sometimes.
So Zach got in your grill. Yeah, he'll get in
there every now and then. I know he looks like
he would honestly some guys. I've heard Andy Reid barks
(40:31):
and he looks so jovial. But I've heard Andy can
really But I always I remember I had my best
high school basketball coach. I like to be I like
to be coached hard. I'd rather somebody just be authentic
and ream me so like it's I tell my daughter
this all the time, is if you're sad, be sad.
So I know you're sad, you're authentic, Like it's okay, Like,
(40:52):
don't try to fool me. Glass half full stuff like,
I would rather have somebody, But I've had bars's bark
at me and it's like an hour later, I'm like, oh,
just cleared the air. I'm not a passive aggressive guy,
so I just don't have it in me. So I
really like there's parts of anger that I find fascinating.
And I've been yelled at. I don't it doesn't The
key is it when you get yelled at, is to
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get over yourself. Nobody's yelling at because they want to, Like,
they're yelling at because they're piss because you screwed up.
So I'm not a grudge holder. You're probably not much
of a grudge holder. No, not at all. I've got
several things that I could have held grudge for in
the past and we're all good now. But like I said,
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intensity is a part of the game. And so you know,
we've got a great coaching staff that understands how to
coach people. They're very calm in the moment, but sometimes
it gets intense, and the players in the locker room
understand that if a coach is yelling, actually he's not
doing it because he thinks you're a bad person. He's
doing it because you probably messed up and he's gonna
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come back. And when you make a great play, he's
gonna love on you and tell you how great you are.
I think the best coaches know how to they know
each player and how they can talk to him every
single player. You know, maybe you can yell at this
guy and he's gonna respond, But maybe this other guy,
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if you yell at him, he's gonna shut down. He's
not gonna play as well. Right And as a leader,
as a quarterback, you have to understand that as well.
You know, maybe this offensive lineman needs a little kick
in the butt sometimes, and this other guy you got
to tell him how great he is and tell him
it's okay if he makes a mistake. And that's part
of being a coach as well as a quarterback. Joe Burrow,
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tend to be a creature of habit. I can be
very repetitive, eat the same oatmeal for breakfast, exercise at
the same time, go to bed at the same time.
So I've always thought one of the things that was
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really attractive when I met my wife Anne fifteen years
ago is that, you know, she's an artist. She does
a lot of things. Well, she's a designer, she's an artist,
she's a great mom, she's a great friend, she's a
great planner. So it was one of the things where
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and I'm like, I'm boring, and you know, I had
been divorced and I thought, I want to be with
somebody that kind of energizes me and creates a cool
environment that I'm not really good at. And so when
I met and that's what she does. I mean, if
we take the kids on vacation, if we're going on
vacation or just a weekend, always got a smart, fun
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plan and you know you do the same thing right,
maybe you're a great planner. Like if we're going to
go skiing for four or five days. The first night
it's theater night. We make pizza as a family. Second
day we ski, third day at snowmobiles, fourth day we
go to a concert. But just a variety of different things.
And I know that it's not a strength of mine,
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and I know it's one of her many strengths. So
it's I know, I could just sit on the couch
and be boring, and I would, you know, die a sad,
lonely old man with cats that don't like me and
empty skull cans because I've been dipping all day. All right,
back to the story. One of the things that was
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really bothering me about college football. It's a sport I
really love. I watched ten hours of college football Saturday.
It was probably the most college football I've watched in
a single day in like seven years. And I like
college football. But it was repetitive. It was the same
thing over and over. And it doesn't matter if Sark
lost or Mario crystal Ball lost in USC One. It
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feels like there are so many engaging stories in college
football this year. Is that is Mario crystal Ball going
to work? What the hell? They just lost a Middle
Tennessee state? Did SARK lose to Texas Tech? Oh? My god,
Lincoln Riley pulled it out? Is that college football, because
of how it's constructed, the better you are, the more
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great recruits you get. It's a dynasty driven sport, and
so to break that up the SEC's dominance, you need
glamour markets that can pull away young people. Miami, Texas,
USC are going to recruit really at a high level.
We got enough Georgia's, Alabama's in Clemson, Oklahoma's. We got
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enough rural programs and they're great. But what I've noticed
with me as a consumer is that the sport now
has more layers and more stories and more interesting fast.
It's to it. I'm not going on vacation and doing
the same thing for five days. Like Saturday, I got
Oklahoma being upended. I got USC and their build winning.
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I get Texas upset, Mario crystal ball whiffs against Middle
Tennessee State. I've got Clemson almost lost. I just want
more to the vacation. I want more to my stories.
And maybe that's selfish, but college football ratings and attendance
has declined seven straight years. Do you want to bet
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this year college football ratings are up They already are,
and that college football attendance will increase. So I banged
on this. I've said this for years what I do
for a living. It is not my responsibility to make
your sport or your team interesting. Once you're interesting, i'll
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talk about you. And as an avid college football fan,
I just took eight years off from the sport. Texas
went in the tank, Miami went in the tank, USC
went in the tank. West Coast Football went in the tank.
Now UCLA is unbeaten, USC's unbeaten. The Pac twelve looks
better Now I've got Michigan's A real player is notre
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name Marcus Freeman gonna work. I don't know any other
way to say it or any other analogy. But if
you like spice to your life, if you like colors
in different shades, different sizes, different stories, I think college
football right now is the most interesting it has been
(05:37):
in close to ten years. Doesn't mean Alabama can't win it.
I don't care how the last game goes. My guess
is Alabama and Georgia end up in the playoff. The
other two though, Ohio State, I think, but they could
lose to Michigan. Does USC get in if they beat Utah?
I mean USC is going to be favored in every
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game except one going forward, and they have the best
offensive coach probably in college football. So for me, it's
been a great football season. I always know what I'm
gonna get from the NFL. I'm gonna get parody, I'm
gonna get surprises. I mean, this weekend, the Bills lose,
Kansas City loses, the Jaguars crush the Chargers. That's what
makes the NFL great. You do get a lot of
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different storylines. But now I feel like I'm getting that
on Saturday, not just Sunday. You know, I saw a
lot of different reactions to Ken Dorsey, the offensive coordinator,
imploding in the Buffalo Bills coaches room upstairs as they
lost to Miami. First of all, it was an agonizing
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day for the Bills. They were clearly the better team,
so you had a lot of stress. And it's also
been a team that struggles to win close games. They're
six or seven the last two years in games decided
by eight or less. But it didn't bother me. It
was a little over the top. But one of my
frustrations with the media is we want access, okay, fine,
(07:08):
and then we complain about what we see or here
if you want cameras inside that coaching cubicle. Shit ain't pretty.
On a half a dozen occasions in my life, I
have been upstairs and sat within the vicinity of more
in college than pro but sat in the vicinity of
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a team's coaching room. It is non stopped screaming, emotion, yelling, passion.
If you're gonna put a camera in there, deal with
the reality of it. They weren't necessarily yelling at a person.
They weren't debasing or dehumanizing a person. They're yelling through
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a headset. They're often yelling to themselves. But the media
does this all the time. They want access to things
and then you don't. It's like asking a question in
life and being pissed off at the answer. Well, they'll
ask the question like Ken Dorsey flipped, all right, what
(08:17):
do you think he's gonna be happy? I mean, Brady
broke two tablets. The NFL responded with a press release
warning players do not break tablets. Ken Dorsey didn't even
break the headset. He was just pissed. But that's why
I never My wife and I have talked about this.
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Don't ask questions where you may get an answer you
don't like. Don't put the cameras in there. The coaches,
by the way, don't want the cameras in there. The
coaches don't want to do hard knocks. The coaches don't
want to do the midseason hard knocks. It's not what
the teams want, it's what the league wants. On a
(08:58):
semi annual basis, they come and notify teams, Hey, for
the overall TV product, we're gonna put cameras here, here, here, here.
Nobody on the staff once it. But should they be inauthentic?
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West Virginia. And here he is Joe Burrow. So we
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talked about this last week. I said, I watched the
second half against Dallas and I'm like, Okay, it's all good.
Now you've got some reps. And I really felt watching
the second half against Dallas and the first half against
the Jets. I was like, all right, it's not perfect,
but I just as a consumer watched it and thought, yeah,
they got their stuff together. Did you feel like after
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Dallas and the week of practice, when when you're sitting
there in pregame, did you feel like, yeah, this is
gonna click. I feel like we're at a place we
weren't two weeks ago. Yeah. We had great arrogancy throughout
the entire weeks. Offensive line I thought played great inteer.
The pocket was unbelievably firm, allow me to step up
and get out of some sticky situations. And receivers played great,
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and we were playing on time efficient the entire first half.
Second half. We'd like to have some throws back and
you need to finish better, but you know, we finished
the game with a eight minute drive, ran the ball
on every snap, and so that was a big physicality
moment for us to prove that, hey, we can go
out and do this. We'n getting thirteen personnel and run
it down your throat if we have to, And so
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that was a big stepping stone for us. You know,
at this point in my career, I don't have disaster shows,
so you know, everything's at least you know, B B
minus level. Whatever your week is either win or fail,
and that's how athletes look. So when that game ends,
just be as honest as you can the emotion, how
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good it feels in this league, the flight home, they'll
walk into the tunnel like it changes look at your
smile like it changes everything, right, changes everything. And you know,
we have a lot of carry over from last year,
a lot of guys, but it's the twenty twenty two Bengals.
Last year is over, and so we were trying to
get over that hump of that first win. First one's
always the hardest, and so it was exciting in the
(14:07):
locker room and playing around home was fun obviously, so
a lot of corrections to be made. Film was what
it was. But you know, when you get that win,
food taste better, you sleep better at night, everybody's happier
in the locker room. The ping pong games are more
fun in the locker room, and so winning winning just
makes everything better. So, um, we were talking about this,
(14:29):
and my kind of preamble is that the media loves
to put cameras around athletes and then they don't like
what they see. So Ken Dorisey freaks out My takeaway
it was, well, ship's been happening for a hundred years,
you just didn't have a camera there. And Tom Brady's
breaking iPad or whatever he's breaking. And I'm like, guys,
when I go to work, it's not win or lose.
(14:52):
So as I watched Dorisey, I thought, oh my god,
that is I've I've sat next to coaching cubicles a
half dozen times as immediate person, and the language during
the game, I can hear it through the walls. So
you sometimes get on the headset and I mean, does
it happen like once or twice a Sunday, Joe, or
(15:14):
maybe it doesn't anymore for you, or a coach barks,
a coach is up your ass, he's pissed off. Yeah,
let's be honest. This is a very emotional game. There's
a lot riding on each and every single game. Every
game in the NFL counts, and at the end of
the year you can look back at one or two
plays in a certain game where if it goes your way,
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you lose it. Maybe you're in the playoffs. And so
when coaches have these reactions and players have these reactions,
you got to take a step back and understand how
much work we put into each and every play every
single week, and so when it doesn't go your way,
emotions are going to run high. And that's just the
way it is. We talked about it last week how
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the nation is so polarized. Football is very polarizing. Like
you said, you win or you lose, and if you win,
the mistakes that you make, you know, you go back
and correct them, but they're not as big of a deal.
And then if you lose, you go back and look
at these mistakes. If I would have hit this one,
we would have won. If he would have made this block,
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we would have won. If you know, I would have
checked this protection, we would have won. So emotions are
going to run high in this game. That's just the
way it is, based off the amount of work that
everybody puts in. So when t Higgins makes a catch
like that, you've obviously run the play before in practice, right,
But there's something about the juice of a real game.
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Like when he caught that ball, I'm like, when he
high pointed, I'm like, is he doing that at practice
every day? Or was that like a moment You're like, oh, okay,
he took the elevator one floor higher than he had
or had you seen him make stuff like that in practice.
You see flashes in practice. Obviously the season it's a
little different. Everyone's bodies or you're trying to recover for Sunday,
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and obviously you got to get your work in. But
you know, he probably doesn't go up and try to
make that play in practice. And so when you see
a guy like tea big, strong, fast jumping out of
the gym, I mean you should go watch his basketball highlights,
jumping from the free throw line between the legs Duncan.
It's incredible. And so when you have a guy like that,
you just throw it up to him and let him
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go do what he does. I also think when I
watch the Bengals, Joe, I think I look at you
guys a little like the Rams. Not just because you
ended up in the Super Bowl. You're what I would
call you have more than one way to win. You're
kind of a let it rip team. The Warriors in
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basketball are like this, Like they miss a lot of
shots that you know, Steph Curry's doing behind the back
stuff and you're like, Steph, what are you doing? Like
you guys have kind of an aggressive culture. And I'll
say this one of the ad manages Joe, that you
guys don't have the Steeler's history, so there's no reason
to play it safe. Yeah, and so like like the
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Rams came to La, well what was the Saint Louis
Rams history? But when I watch you, I don't know.
There are certain teams that make mistakes and I'm like,
that's bad for them. I watch you and I'm kind
of like, nah, it's very Rams. It's like I kind
of like Matt Stafford, He's gonna have a pick, make
the throw. Yeah, that's my That's how from the outside
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that when I watch you, I'm like, I like you
guys aggressive. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah. We felt that
on Sunday, and that was a big emphasis for me
going in. You know, Week one, I was aggressive. I
throw four picks. Last week I probably played a little safe.
Our defense is playing great, we end up losing. And
so this week I think I found a good balance
of you know, I took some chances, scrambled rills, situations
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where you know, maybe I shouldn't have, but you know,
I wouldn't look back and regret any of them. But
also I threw the ball down the field and let
our guys try to make plays in one on one situations.
Maybe it wasn't a perfect throw, or maybe he didn't
have five yards of separation, but those guys are so
good in contested catch situations. I'm going to give him
those opportunities. And that's when we're at our best. We're
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throwing the ball down the field. Maybe we don't hit it,
but the defense feels that they feel the ball in
the year fifty yards, they feel the speed of our
receivers coming off the ball. That opens up the run game.
That's going to open up the underneath passing game. And
so you got to take those chances. And I think
we found a good balance this week. So you had
a legendary game against TWA where there was like eight
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NFL guys on the field, like skill players everywhere. I
remember it well, and you know, you meet to it.
You guys actually get a little bit of a break
where their defense was on the field literally the entire
game in unbelievable humidity, and now they have to travel
and it's a short week that happens about once a
season where you get a little bit of a you know,
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a little bit of a twelve fifteen percent scheduling break
and but but go back to Tah. Before you'd played
against him live or seen Tah, what did you even
the name sounds iconic? What did you know about him?
What have you made about him when you've seen him
or played against him? Well, the first my first time
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watching toa was when he came in at halftime in
the National title game. I was like, who is this
true freshman coming in here in the middle of the
national title game, hasn't started a snap and he's gonna
come in and do what he does was unbelievable. I
hadn't started a game at the time, and I was like,
there's true freshman doing this. I don't have a chance,
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and you know, we come play him. That was a
fun game, you know. That was That was kind of
our coming out party as a TA LSU. You know,
we knew we were good, but you know, we're playing
Alabama on the road. Let's see how good we really
are and it turns out we were pretty good. Yeah,
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that was that was There's an argument to be made
there's never been a college game ever played with more
talent on the field. Could you feel it? Oh? Yeah,
I mean you run into guys. It seems like every
week that you played against from Alabama, and you know,
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we jump out on them early and then we get
up two scores with like three minutes left, and all
of a sudden to a hit Stavante Smith down the
sideline for a long touchdown on the first playing like
oh here we go, we gotta go out here again,
and this is just back and forth and you could
see the speed on the field. So I was watching
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Justin Herbert yesterday. He obviously decided to play. He was
in huge pain, so he got the shot. Which I've
talked to multiple players. It's like, listen, it's not going
to cause further damage, it's just going to be really painful.
And you got to take a shot and take me
to your career, high school, college, pro. What is the
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most pain you've been in during a football game? So
during the game, I would say the the National title
game my senior year. Did something to my ribs at
right before half of that game, so the second half
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was pretty painful. Last year we played the Chargers, I
dislocated my finger in like the first series and my
hand blew up like a balloon, and that was not
very fun. It was able to fight through it, played
through that the whole rest of the year. But that's
part of the game, just playing through injuries. And I
think as quarterbacks we have a responsibility to play through
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those kind of things because we're not grinding like the
rest of the positions. Our offensive defensive line getting car
backs on every single play, and we're back there in
the pocket distributing the ball. Show our toughness when we can.
You gotta play through injuries. You gotta show your toughness
to those guys and have their backs. That's the way
I look at it, justin as an unbelievable player, and
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I know he probably thinks the same way that I do. Yeah,
did you ever see him play at Oregon? I mean
you see the Chargers tape. I had never seen him
play at Oregon. I knew he was big, strong, you know,
Pack twelve after dark. You don't get to watch it
very much. I mean just but my first time watching
him was at the Combine, and you know, I wasn't
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participating and he was throwing and I was just like,
this guy just throws it so effortlessly, so so fun
to watch him play. Unbelievable talent, he's just getting better
and better, and I mean I think he's one of
one of the top guys right now. Yeah, so it
was interesting you you made news last week. I thought
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it was interesting you said I kind of got off
social and I don't do all my social I have
about twenty five percent of it I do, and then
seventy five percent staff. But I have a daughter and
I have a son, and I'm constantly saying, guys, it's
not reality. These people are They don't care about you.
A lot of people are boughts. Yeah. Were you surprised,
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I mean it was quoted everywhere. I think it's the
thing to do. Lebron James does this. He just goes
dark like I think I would do it. But I'm
old now, so I laugh at all of it, right,
Like it's easy for me. I'm in my fifties. If
I was in my twenties and I was a quarterback, like,
I don't want that stuff upstairs. Were you surprised by that?
Did anybody say anything to you personally or the reaction
you got, because it really got talked about a lot.
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Yah See, I didn't. That's a great thing about deleting
your social you didn't. You don't see the reaction, so
I didn't even know. But you know, it's tough because
you know, use those platforms to communicate with people that
you know, people from home, people that you went to
college with, and maybe you haven't don't have your number,
but you still want to talk to and so use
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it for that. But there's so much negativity on all
the platforms that it's just tough to deal with, sometimes
positively and negatively. And so you want to be as quarterbacks.
We got to maintain even keel through the whole game,
the whole season. It's a marathon. You can't get too
high and you can't get too low. And I think
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social media is a net negative for people in our position.
You know, it's funny. Years ago I was at a
steakhouse in Tampa and Derek Jeter was there. It was
spring training, years and years ago, and he walked in
with about six of his guys and he had these guys.
He rolled with a couple of Yankees, couple just like
high school buddies, college buddies, whatever, or I don't think
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he went to college now he's Kalamazoi went to the
miners and so I remember reading a story about Derek,
and Derek said, you know, I try to stay around
positive people because there's no rule for negativity or cynicism,
because it gets into my head. And I remember somebody
wants to ask Jeter, when you're in a slump, which
you've had very few what do you think about? And
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he said, all I just think about is hit the
ball hard, be positive. And so you always hear the
business axiom like don't surround yourself with yes man, And
I'm like, I gotta be honest. I don't like hanging
out with disagreeable people. I agree with most of my
friends and they say nice things to me, and I
say nice things to them. But as an Ohio guy,
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you want to keep it real. You want to be authentic.
But stuff gets upstairs. Man, I've gone to enough therapy
in my life. Negativity is a drain. Like what's the
balance for you? Your shit talking buddies are still part
of your life, but like, you've got to be in
the right mental space, Joe, you're literally the face of
a multi billion dollar corporation. Yeah, that's why I try
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to exude as much confidence as I can. You know,
Clothing on the field press conference because sometimes you gotta
trick yourself into it. You know something, this stuff is
really really hard, and you know, we know the work
that we put in, but it's not always gonna go great.
And if you lose any confidence at any point, it's
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just gonna snowball on you. And so you gotta sometimes
you gotta trick yourself into it and go out there
and say, maybe I'm not feeling great, but damn it,
I'm gonna go out and win this game. I'm gonna
play great. It's gonna be it's gonna be a great
day for us. And sometimes it's just like that, and
you know you will you need some negativity, you need
some people to tell you, hey, we need to do
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this better, we need to do this better. But at
the same time, you know yourself and you know when
you have to tune that stuff out and just get
in your zone of confidence and I'm gonna go out
there and play the way that I play. Think about this.
I always think about cornerbacks. I thought Sauce Gardner was
the best college player I saw last year. So he's
just as you saw this weekend, like he's a complete baller.
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Think about being a corner where it is a great
day if you only give up six catches to Jamar Ches.
I mean, that position is all confidence. So what did
you see about Sauce Gardner on film in person? Because
I think he's got some Dion stuff working. Yeah, it was,
you know, it's just two games. It was tough to
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see on film a little bit, but then you get
out there and play him and you're like, oh, this
guy's big, long and fast. You know, there was a
through a go route to Jamar and his recovery speed
on that was pretty unbelievable. And so he's just gonna
keep getting better. I told him, I know, I talked
to him after the game. I said, hey, you're gonna
be great man. He's a big, physical, talented corner that
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he's just gonna keep getting better. I mean, he's a
rookie and he's gonna be fun to watch. You know.
I was talking about this with the staff today. So
not that you care. But the reason my show is
called The Herd is because years ago I worked out
of college. I got a job of the minor league
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baseball team doing an inning of play by play in sales.
So they hired me out of Eastern Washington university and
they let me do one inning of play by play,
but I had to do sales all day long, which sucks.
So the guy who was ran the team could never
remember my you know, he just like Cole a cow
and so he just called me heard Heard Heard. So
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years later, I get into radio and I noticed that
all the radio people that you know, stern oprah Imus,
Seacrest or whatever, everybody had one name. So I thought heard.
So I went and looked at your nicknames, and you
got to explain a couple. So I okay, So generationally,
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Joe schisty, what does that means? Somebody had posted a
video some kind of highlight last year and it just
kind of I took off. Um, that was crazy. I mean,
there's some people who just come up with all these
out of the blue. It's pretty People always ask me
which ones are my favorite. I'm like, that's not for
me to decide. That's for you guys to decide. You
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make the nicknames. I'm not calling myself that. I'm not
running out calling myself like making a dinner reservation. It's
mister shysty. Nobody's doing that. So I didn't know what
shicety means. Does it mean anything. I don't think it
really does. I think it's just uh, there's a rapper
named Pooh Shicty Um. Okay, yeah, maybe it's off of that.
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I don't know, Joe burr Um. That one I think
came after I like to wear a little jewelry every
now and then. Um, and so maybe I had some
diamonds on that day. I don't know. Ah, some ice. Yeah,
there you go, thank you, thank you. I literally got
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credibility on this entire podcast on knowing what ice means.
I know one time Joey Taylor on my show, this
was like three years ago, use lit and I said,
I'd like to use that in a conversation today. And
the pathetic thing was I must have used it seven
times day. My wife's like, you sound like such an idiot,
and I'm like, you learn a word. I can't help myself.
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So for the record, I don't have I have one
piece of jewelry. It's I got this in Italy. What
is the line on cool and too Much? Yeah? Like,
what's your line? There's definitely a line and you know
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it when you see it. It's hard to describe, but
I would say six or seven chains is probably too much. Okay,
one or two key subtle not I don't like to
wear it if it's gonna pop and it's gonna, you know,
take away from the outfit that I'm wearing. But somebody
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notices it, like, oh, that's cool. So there's definitely a line.
So there was a moment. I really liked Jimmy Garoppolo.
I think the media doesn't understand how hard this stuff is.
So Garoppolo had they took the playbook from him because
they wanted Trey Lance to play. He didn't practice, he
was off to the side, he had shoulder surgery, he
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didn't take a stamp in preseason, he didn't play week one,
he didn't start Week two, and he opens up at
Denver in that altitude against Randy Gregory Bradley cho It's like,
come on. The kid admitted after the game, he's like,
I'm just out of sorts. So he had a moment
when he stepped out of the end zone and I'm like,
I didn't. It's just like the game's going. Fans have
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no idea what it's like to be in a stadium.
But Dan Orlovsky was literally half the way through it,
and that was kind of comedic. But has there ever
been a moment for you? I mean, Jesus, super Bowl Lights,
AFC Championship. Have you ever sort of like looked at
film a week later and thought, I kind of lose
myself the spacing you get turned around in a sack,
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you get spun around. Because I looked at Garoppolo and
I'm like, I'm surprised it doesn't happen like weekly in
this league, especially when you're in the back. Hella Punter
kicked a ball into a guy's butt, Like, I get it.
It's have you ever lost yourself in a game? You know?
I like to think my spatial awareness is one of
my better qualities as a quarterback. I've definitely lost track
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of the clock. We had two delay games on Sunday.
And what happens when you lose? What tell me what
happens there? Well, you know, you're surveying the defense, they're
giving you a different look. You're trying to get the
protection sorted out. Maybe a receiver lined up in the
wrong split, so you got to get that figured out.
And then you look at the clock. That's three seconds left.
There's no time to snap the ball. You're trying to
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get it snapped. But you're on the silent came and
so that's you know, you gotta do. I mean, that's
part of the job. You gotta get everything organized, you
gotta know what everybody's doing, and so you gotta get
it all figured out, and then you got to get
it all done in forty seconds, sometimes twenty five. That's
part of the job. I called I called a timeout
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when we didn't have a timeout in AU basketball one time,
it lost us to the game. That was pretty devastating.
Oh brutal. Yeah, um, yeah, that's the first one that
comes to mind there. That was tough. By the way,
Brady didn't get a playoff this weekend. Caleb Williams at
USC couldn't get a playoff. Again. I just don't think
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the audience has any ideas. So you basically come out,
the first thing you're looking at is where they're lined up.
Then you have to call a protection. You're playing with
twenty four year old kids. Somebody's lined up wrong. Half
the time, you already have the play. Does anybody talk
to you during that sequence from the sideline so the
helmet cuts off at fifteen seconds, you get the play,
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But you know, sometimes you're trying to figure out if
you want to challenge the play before. So maybe you
have the play, but you're not breaking the huddle quite yet,
so you don't know if you're going to run that play.
And then all of a sudden, it's down to twenty seconds.
You can't get anymore feedback from the coach. Sometimes the
headset goes out. The headset went out in the playoff
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game against the Titans. For a whole series. We in
a two minute We didn't have a time out to
get to the sideline and change helmets, and so you
have I had to call the whole series. Sometimes that's
what being quarterbacks about. It's about minimizing mistakes and just
making it work when everything around you is going poorly. Yeah,
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are you still ever fooled by a pre snap movement
all the time? I mean we had an unscouted look.
I mean you, when you're as explosive as we are
on offense, you're going to get unscouted looks every single week.
And so you get to the line and you're like,
I've never seen this off film before. What in the
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world is this? And so you try to get through
that play and try to find a completion or try
to minimize that mistake, and then you go off to
the sideline, look at the pictures, talk to the coaches
about it. Then you're gonna have an answer to it
next time. But you know, defensive coordinators are really really
good at what they do, and defensive players are really
really good at what they do, and so they're always
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going to have wrinkles to what they've shown on film.
If they bring this blitz out of this look, then
they're going to drop out of it the next time.
They always have a compliment to what they've shown on film,
and then they always come in with one or two
wrinkles that you haven't seen before. You have to handle
on the fly. Did the Jets talk or they chatty?
Are some teams chattier? Division games are usually a lot
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more chatty. Non division Baltimore feels chatty to me. Baltimore's chatty.
Pittsburgh is sometimes Browns are very chatty, So I don't
I don't think i've had any. Usually non division games
aren't as intense and trash talking. Isn't that crazy I've heard?
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I've heard. Peyton Manning told me two weeks ago, he goes,
there's preseason speed, regular season speed, Division game speed, and
I'm like really, He's like, oh, yeah, so you a
Raven's game is different. Yeah, You've just played them so much.
You know all their looks, you know their calls, and
so you know coming in they're gonna have a wrinkle
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for me that I'm not gonna expect, and they might
get you a couple of times, and sometimes you're they
know all your signals, so you got to come up
with new signals that week because you've played them six
times over the last three years, and they just have
so much film on you. And you've played these same
players three years straight and so you have history with them.
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It's just the division games have a different feeling. Do
you like them more? Though? I do? I do? You know,
I always enjoy the ultruck competitive parts of the game.
And when you get sacked by the same guy that
you got sacked by last year and you got a
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couple of words for you, that gets your fire going
and that reminds you why why you play the game,
because you know, throughout the week, all the media it
can kind of get overwhelming sometimes and then you get
out there and you're in your zone and you're the
bullets are flying, You're like, oh, this is why I
do it. This is why we put in all the
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work to come out here and make plays. And that's
why you see everybody dancing and celebrating after touchdowns and sacks,
because there's so much work that goes into it, and
it's so hard, and there's so much attention on every
game and you go out and make a play, you
want to celebrate that, and so that's that's always exciting
when you see guys excited to make a play and
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their teammates excited for them. All right. Finally, let's circle
back to the temper, the Brady, the Dorsey. I don't
think I have a huge temper. And then like once
a month, there'll just be something that will you know,
my kids will do something and I'll be like, oh
my god, they've done this ten times. Have you ever
just lost it? Just come on glued with a coach
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and just to practice a bad route. When's the last
time you lost it? There were some intense conversations on
the sideline against the Chiefs last year in the AFC
Championship game. Um, do tell well, there was you know,
sometimes you go to the line with two plays. You
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gotta get to one based off the look, and they
gave us a look that you know, it was a
little murky, and my decision was probably not the right one,
but I felt it was at the time, and so
you know, I'm gonna try not to show it with
my body language. But conversation got a little heated. That's
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probably that's the only time since I've been in the
NFL and that's happened. But you know, we got great
coaches that understand it gets a little intense out there sometimes.
So Zach got in your grill. Yeah, he'll get in
there every now and then. I know he looks like
he would honestly some guys. I've heard Andy Reid barks
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and he looks so jovial. But I've heard Andy can
really But I always I remember I had my best
high school basketball coach. I like to be I like
to be coached hard. I'd rather somebody just be authentic
and ream me so like it's I tell my daughter
this all the time, is if you're sad, be sad.
So I know you're sad, you're authentic, Like it's okay, Like,
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don't try to fool me. Glass half full stuff like,
I would rather have somebody, But I've had bars's bark
at me and it's like an hour later, I'm like, oh,
just cleared the air. I'm not a passive aggressive guy,
so I just don't have it in me. So I
really like there's parts of anger that I find fascinating.
And I've been yelled at. I don't it doesn't The
key is it when you get yelled at, is to
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get over yourself. Nobody's yelling at because they want to, Like,
they're yelling at because they're piss because you screwed up.
So I'm not a grudge holder. You're probably not much
of a grudge holder. No, not at all. I've got
several things that I could have held grudge for in
the past and we're all good now. But like I said,
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intensity is a part of the game. And so you know,
we've got a great coaching staff that understands how to
coach people. They're very calm in the moment, but sometimes
it gets intense, and the players in the locker room
understand that if a coach is yelling, actually he's not
doing it because he thinks you're a bad person. He's
doing it because you probably messed up and he's gonna
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come back. And when you make a great play, he's
gonna love on you and tell you how great you are.
I think the best coaches know how to they know
each player and how they can talk to him every
single player. You know, maybe you can yell at this
guy and he's gonna respond, But maybe this other guy,
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if you yell at him, he's gonna shut down. He's
not gonna play as well. Right And as a leader,
as a quarterback, you have to understand that as well.
You know, maybe this offensive lineman needs a little kick
in the butt sometimes, and this other guy you got
to tell him how great he is and tell him
it's okay if he makes a mistake. And that's part
of being a coach as well as a quarterback. Joe Burrow,
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