June 23, 2025 • 28 mins
Jason reacts to the Oklahoma City Thunder's Game 7 victory in the NBA Finals vs. the Indiana Pacers. He gives flowers to Finals MVP Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Jalen Williams, Chet Holmgren, and each rotational player involved in the Thunder's first title. Jason also shows love to Tyrese Haliburton, Pascal Siakam, and the Indiana Pacers for their effort this postseason and being one of the more enjoyable teams to watch.
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A well, Hoops to night.
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You're at the volume heavy Monday, everybody obald You guys
are having a great start to your week. Well, today
we're gonna be diving a little bit deeper into some
of the storylines. After the NBA Finals ended last night.
The Thunder defeat the Indiana Pacers in seven games behind
an incredible defensive effort in the third quarter. Last night,
We're gonna break down a bunch of different elements. I'm
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gonna talk some big picture stuff, some kind of like
narrative stuff surrounding the Oklahoma City Thunder kind of I
want to have a moment to just remind Thunder fans
that it doesn't really matter what anybody else says about
your championship. Your trophy is your trophy and no one
can ever take it away from you. Let's talk a
little bit about next year and what the future looks
like for the Thunder. After that, I'm gonna kind of
go down the eight man playoff rotation for the Thunder
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and shout out each individual player for their contributions. Along
the way, we have a shout out for the Indiana Pacers,
and then at the tail end of the show, I
want to briefly just take some a couple of minutes
to reflect on this playoff run here at Hoops tonight,
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So first of all, congratulations to the Oklahoma City Thunder.
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As I talked about with Colin last night, it's not
exactly atypical when you look back at the great teams
in NBA history for their first title run to be
a little bit uneven, a little bit sloppy. Like look
at every team that has won consecutive championships. Let's pretend that, Okay,
see wins again next year, and then we look back
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at it relative to other repeating champions in NBA history.
You look at the Warriors in twenty fifteen, they're down
to one to the Grizzlies. They're down to one to
the Cavs in the second round, and in the finals,
very similar to this year's Oklahoma City team the Heat
in twenty twelve, they fall down to one to the Pacers,
they fall down three to two to the Celtics. They
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fall down one oh to the Thunder. That's after a
year where they lost in the finals. The Kobe pow
Lakers lost in the finals to the Celtics before they
won a couple in a row, the first Kobe Shack
team in two thousand. They almost lost to Sacramento in
the first round. Portland ends up taking them to seven games.
The NBA playoffs are hard for everyone, and that is
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no exception even for the great teams that especially when
they're in these situations earlier in their runs where they
don't have a ton of experience. Going into this postseason,
I had Oklahoma City second in my contender rankings behind
the Boston Celtics, and I did pick the Thunder in
all four of their playoff series. But their shortcomings were
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clear coming into the postseason. They're a really young team
that wasn't very resilient on offense. This was the year
to beat them if you were going to upset the
Thunder and kick them out, kind of like the Heat
did in twenty eleven, or the Lakers in two thousand
and eight. This was the year to beat them. This
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was the year they weren't quite as much of a
sure thing, and they got it done anyway. And now
their shortcomings can be pretty easily addressed internally. Shay's inconsistencies
as a processor, those will improve in time, and I
would argue him always getting it right in the big
games when everything was hanging in the balance is a
great sign that he gets it and how important that
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part of his game is. Chet will continue to develop offensively.
J Doub will become more consistent. Role players will process better,
shoot the ball better. All of that can come in time.
This Thunder team can get way better and has a
real chance to join the ranks of the truly great
teams in NBA history. I think they have a better
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chances than even Boston did last year or Denver the
year before that. We're gonna talk a little bit more
about that concept in a minute. But never ever, ever
take this for granted. Enjoy this title for as long
as you can. I know there are a lot of
Thunder fans that are annoyed today. Maybe you're annoyed because
of the public discourse after Tyree's Tours Achilles and people
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saying that that just means Indiana would have won if
he was healthy because he hit some threes before it happened.
Or maybe you're annoyed because you're you feel like your
team's not getting enough credit. First and foremost, who the
hell cares what anybody else thinks. They are all just
mad because their team didn't win the title. There are
cas fans still complaining about Kyrie and Kevin Love getting
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hurt in twenty fifteen. There are Warriors fans still complaining
about Andrew Boget's injury and Draymond Green suspension in twenty sixteen.
They are fans saying Denver didn't play any real teams.
In twenty twenty three. They are fans saying Boston didn't
play any good teams in twenty twenty four. Alex Crusoe
made a joke last night at the podium about the
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Bubble Championship because of how prevalent that bitching and moaning
has been over the course of the years, people complain
that's what they do. It literally cannot take the trophy
away from you, and it cannot take away your love
for your team, even with like me and my complaints
about Shay's foulgrifting. That's a big picture basketball opinion I
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have about the league, aet large that also includes two
guys on my favorite team, guys like Luca and Austin.
Austin reeves. You don't think if the Lakers won the
title next year, I promise you there would be thousands
of people bitching and moaning about the whistle that Luca
and Austin get as they should. It's bad television, but
I'd be there saying, bring us the damn trophy. The
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trophy is sacred. Nobody can ever take that away from you.
No amount of complaining, Twitter trolling, stupid media comments on
television or time can take that trophy away from you.
But at the same time, never delude yourself into thinking
it's easy to get there and win another one. I
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do think this Oklahoma City team, because of their talent
and because of their youth, is more well equipped to
repeat than Boston or Denver was. But both of those
teams in the moment did feel like teams that could repeat.
Let's go back even further, like twenty twenty with the Lakers.
You don't think after twenty twenty when Lebron was looking
like the best player in the world and Anthony Davis
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was looking like a top five player, and they still
had good years ahead of them, that you know that
they wouldn't have a really good chance to repeat the
next year. But no, Lebron turns his ankle, ad has
a groin injury. By the time they recovered, they make
a stupid trade. All of a sudden, they're not as
good the twenty twenty three Nuggets. Oh, Jokic is the
best player in the world. All of our starters are
in their mid to late twenties. Like, we are set
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up well to try to make a dynasty out of this,
and then it's like, oh, oh, actually, you know, you
lose a couple of valuable role players, a couple other
teams get better. Suddenly they're losing in the second round
to a bad matchup the twenty twenty four Celtics. You
don't think the Celtics last year, five thirty million dollar players,
Tatum didn't even play well. Tatum's gonna play better, right,
All these different things that could lead to them potentially repeating.
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We haven't even had a team make the conference finals
two years in a row since Kevin Durant left the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
The league is deep.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Other teams are coming. Houston will be interesting with Kevin Durant.
San Antonio. If they somehow get Yannis, they'll be a
real threat. Denver is still a bad matchup for Oklahoma City.
The Lakers have Luca now, you can't write them off.
The Warriors are all in. All it takes is one
of those teams to reach a level of special basketball to.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Be a true threat.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
So all I'm saying is, don't get caught up in
dynasty talk or any of that kind of thinking, yet,
really take the time to enjoy this title. This was
a remarkable title. It was a highly entertaining playoff front.
You played some really great teams. That Denver team in
the second round. That's the best player in the world
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who hung forty on you multiple times and was an
indomitable offensive force. And you guys withstood that and controlled
them in the key moments in Game four and in
Game five and in Game seven. Well, Minnesota was red
hot coming into that series. I remember when I was
talking with Colin right after the matchup got secured, my
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initial gut feeling I was like man, like Minnesota might
be able to do this.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I woke up the next morning and watched a bunch
of film and it was like, Nope, I'm picking Oklahoma City,
but like Minnesota was a real threat. You guys walked them,
You got them out of the building easily. And then
that Indiana Pacers team, in addition to being a truly
special basketball team, was riding some crazy voodoo, dark magic
shit where you had to beat them five times in
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every series because Tyree's Halliburton would steal a game from
the jaws of defeat. This was an incredible championship. So
I just wanted to say congratulations to the thunder in
their fans.
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For this next exercise.
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What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go down most
of the Oklahoma City roster their top eight guys in
the playoff rotation. I'm gonna shout out each individual player
for their contributions, starting with Shae Gills of Alexander. He
finished the playoff run at thirty points per game, five
rebounds and seven assists, with two point six stocks steels
plus blocks, and fifty seven percent screw shooting in terms
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of his efficiency. Now, yeah, it was somewhat uneven in
that Shay's decision making did play a role in some
of their rough offensive nights. But as I always talk about,
the NBA playoffs are about solving puzzles, and every time
the thunderseason was really hanging in the balance, he was fantastic.
We talked about it last night with call him. He
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had just seven assists in the rough games in the finals,
in the four games, Game one, Game three, Game four,
in game six, he had thirty assists in games two,
five and seven. Tennisis per game in every pivotal moment.
You lose Game two, you go down two zero, you
lose the series. You lose Game five, you go down
three to one, you lose a series. You lose Game seven,
you literally lose the series. And he was great in
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every single one of those games as a processor from
start to finish. The in Game four, even though I
thought he was rough for most of that game, down
the stretch, hitting the big three out of the two
man game with Jalen Williams at the top of the key,
it's at three off of the right wing, hitting that
little jumper on the left base line against Aaron E. Smith,
drawing a couple of fouls on Nie Smith and Iso.
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He made the plays he needed to make to win
the game. To put it very simply, the Thunder needed
Sga to be great, to play like a true superstar
in order for this team to win the championship, and
he did. As a result, He's just logged one of
the great shooting guard seasons in the history of the NBA.
He's the only player other than Michael Jordan in the
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history of the NBA to win a scoring title, make
First Team All NBA, win the MVP, and win Finals
MVP in the same season. I was asking Colin about
this last night in a Microsoft segment like he's seen
a lot of greats come through the league, and all
I could think is he is admirably filling the shoes
of the greats that come through before him. I've you
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know again, I know you thunderfans have had your frustrations
with me, as I've had my frustrations with some of
the foul grifting, which is again a big picture NBA
tape that even applies to some guys on my favorite team.
I just hate watching the finals on ABC, and you know,
seeing some of the grifty stuff that I see, I
don't want to see it from anybody. But that doesn't
change the fact that Shay Gilga Alexander just put together
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one of the great start to finish superstar seasons in
the history of the league. That doesn't change the type
of basketball player that Shay is. If anything, the grifting
stuff is part of his competitive advantage and his willingness
to take every single thing that he can take to
help his team win a game. I was incredibly impressed
by Shaye in this playoff run Jay Dubb, I'll talk
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about the idea of just making a play right within
a game. You have a rough game, but it's you
know two point game, five minutes left and you get
a big rebound, you hit a big spot up three,
you have a big transition defense possession where you get
back and you solow them down. Whatever it is, you
make a couple of plays, you help your team win.
No one's gonna care. JDub had a rough start to
this postseason. He was good against Memphis, Memphis not a
good team, but against Denver, in the first six games
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of the Denver series, he was at just sixteen and
a half points per game on thirty four percent from
the field twenty one percent from three. From Game seven
of the Denver series through the rest of the playoffs,
JDub averaged twenty three points per game on forty seven
percent from the field in thirty six percent from three.
You could really tell that it dawned on him that
nobody can keep him from getting to the rim. The
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stats were crazy on this front before Game seven against Denver.
In those first six games in the series, he averaged
just four attempts in the restricted area per game. From
Game seven of that series onward, he averaged six point
seven restricted area attempts per game, almost doubled his output
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at the rim. That's him figuring out that he is
a downhill forced to be reckoned. With seven restricted area
attempts per game is a big number, guys. That's like
encroaching on like the kind of stuff you see from
the Lebrons and the Yiannises or like those guys are
in like the eight to eleven restricted area attempts per
game and JDub was up there at like seven. Truly
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remarkable stuff from Jay Dubb. There's a ton of pressure
on Jadub as a twenty four year old second option
on a Big Finals favorite, to come through against some
elite defenses. Against some elite defenders, he had three games
in the Finals with at least twenty five points. He
had a forty point game in game five. Did his job,
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and he did it extremely well. Salute to Jalen Williams
chet Holmgren. Yes, it was a rough offensive postseason from
him on several fronts.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Who cares.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
You won the title and he's got another summer to
get better. Now. I thought he was the guy that
tied the Thunder defense together. Who've talked about this a lot.
You need bigs on the floor. BIG's help you rebound, bigs,
helpy screen bigs unlock a lot of things. So what
ends up happening is, you know, we talked about it
last night on playback. All of these teams, if you
go back, have great perimeter defenders. Yeah, Oklahoma City has
more of them, but like all these teams have great defenders. Boston,
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Drew Holliday and Jalen Brown were two of the most
disruptive perimeter defenders in the league. You go back to
previous year, Contavious Calledwell, Contavious Callwell, Pope, Bruce Brown, these
are Christian Brown. These are great perimeter defenders twenty twenty two,
Gary Payton Andrew Wiggins. Like there are all sorts of
elite perimmeter defenders on champions when you go back their
NBA history Drew Holiday in twenty twenty one, Alex Crusoe
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and KCP in twenty twenty that's kind of a hallmark
of championship teams. But the big Guy ends up being
the vehicle with which teams can get around that problem.
And Chet just presents another big, giant problem at the
big like in high, drop in low, drop in switches
protecting the rim and help. He was devastating at every
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level of Oklahoma City's defense, and even if they happened
to get a guard off of them, Chet was so
good at sliding his feet and keeping the ball in
front and making them take contested shots in the mid range.
Countless blocks on drives. He had eight blocks in their
last two wins in this series, the most blocks ever
in the history of the NBA Finals in a game seven.
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Unbelievable defensive playoff run from Chet Holmgren, Lou Dorton, Alex
Crusoe wrecking balls in every big moment. Both of them
were amazing last night. Alex Crusoe all over the place defensively,
Lou dort poke away steals, offensive rebounds. The two guys
combined for twenty seven made three pointers in twenty eight
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steals in the NBA Finals. That's for steels and four
to threes made per game. Book it from Dorton Crusoe.
Unbelievable performance. Cason Wallace a little bit of a rough
offensive series at times, but provided a similar impact on
defense to those other guys. Twelve steals in this series.
Consistently held up against post mismatches, forcing turnovers and misses
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forced turnovers at the point of attack. Great series from
Cason Wallace. Aaron Wiggins ten for twenty two from three.
That's huge in his series like this. Isaiah Hartenstein nineteen
offensive rebounds in the series. Him and Chett did a
ton of damage on the offensive glass in the series.
There's a big part of how they won Game four.
I'd argue they lose this series if it wasn't for
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the job that Chet and Isaiah Hartenstein did in the
fourth quarter of Game four on the glass. Hartenstein in
this series produced at a rate of eleven points and
thirteen rebounds per thirty six minutes. Very good production from
Isaiah Hartenstein. You got to shout out, Sam Preston, you
do not win the title without Alex Crusoe and Isaiah Hartenstein.
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He came out of that series last year and said,
I want to decrease our or I want to increase
our margin for air. I want to give these guys
some veteran presences, some guys that can help in some
specific areas of need. A legit fifth starter for their
small ball look, which they didn't have last year, right,
Legit two big look, a more physical big to get
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to provide an option different from Chet. Isaiah Hartenstein. The
job he did both Isaiah Hartenstein and Alex Caruso were
the only reason like you lose to Denver if you
don't have those two guys. Hartenstein throughout the series playing
up on Jokic's right shoulder to force him to spin
and drive left into Chet at the rim, which works
so effectively that having two big centers on the floor
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really affected Jokic. Caruso in Game seven fronting the post
against Jokich. Cruso was amazing in every big game in
this postseason run. Sam Presty did his job to help
his team win the championship. I'm really interested to see
what he does this summer, if he runs it back,
or if he tries to make some sort of improvement
on the margin. Just congratulations again to thunder fans. A
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really special team, a special playoff run. Now you have
the trophy. Tune out the noise, don't worry about all
that shit everyone else is saying. Or if I bitch
about Shay getting free throws, who cares? He's got a
Finals MVP. Now if as long as you guys enjoy
watching him, who cares what I think?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Just congratulations to thunder fans. They can never take that
away from you, we have to shout out the Indiana Pacers,
though I can't say enough about what the Pacers did
to inject life into this playoff front. They were one
of my favorite non champions that I've ever watched. They
play a brand of basketball that was infectious, exciting, and
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impossible not to root for. Their resilience and commitment to
playing forty eight minutes of great basketball every night set
an example that honestly every basketball coach in the world
should be looking to instill a similar type of basketball
character into their teams. The moments man like Tyrese those
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four game winners. I remember I saw an Instagram reel
shortly after Game one of the finals where all four
of them were kind of stacked up on each other,
and I was like, just an insane stretch of NBA moments.
The Siakam dunk all over JDub in Game six, the
TJ McConnell's scoring runs in the finals. There were just
so many moments. I'll never forget this Pacers team, and
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it's just such a huge bummer because of the Tyree's injury.
It's just such a gut punch to Pacers fans that
removes most of the excitement from this upcoming season. Similar
to the Tatum injury, the sheer timeline of Achilles recovery
dictates that will probably see some roster turnover by the
next time Tyres Haliburton sees the floor. That's super unfortunate,
but that playoff run will be burned into our brains forever.
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I'm thankful for pace for the Pacers. I can't even
imagine for you Pacers fans what it must have been
like rooting for that team. I just imagine it being
like the peak of sports fandom, like you guys loving
your team and watching the whole world fall in love
with your team and like everything. But obviously at the
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end the Tyree's injury and not getting the trophy, I
just imagine that was an incredible experience. And I know
that it's hard to see that now after what happened,
but that was a special Pacers team and again, I
just it's just burned into my brain and I'll never
ever forget that.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Indiana Pacers team.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Last thing before we get out of here today, I
just wanted to take a minute to shout out to
the Hoops Tonight crew and our fans. These playoff runs
are brutal for us. At one point we went live
thirty eight times at night out of forty one nights,
in addition to waking up the next morning for film
sessions and additional reaction content. About half of those days,
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we were easily doing over ten episodes per week for
two and a half months. There is a ton of
grueling work behind the scenes with editing for different feeds
and for social media. One of our guys, Shane, was
doing it all from the East Coast, so you can
imagine the kinds of preposterous hours that he was up
working for us. Jackson and Shane both did a ton
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of great work to make this playoff run run as
smoothly as it's ever as it's ever gone. I just
wanted to shout those guys out, make sure everyone realizes
that this is a team effort, and I want to
shout you guys out our fans for all the incredible
support along the way. We did just under seven million
views in the playoff run, which is a record for
this channel. We crossed over one hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube,
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which was a huge moment for us. We're already about
to pass over one hundred and ten thousand subscribers, Like
I had a moment with my wife last night. We
went out and sat by the fire pit. This was
the already, it just the time's flying by. This is
the fourth time since I started working for the volume
that we've crowned a champion in the NBA, And it's
just that the years, they just keep piling on top
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of each other, and like, it's just been such a
remarkable experience, and I just can't say enough about how
much I appreciate you guys and the support, all the
kind words over the years, the incredible experiences that I've
gotten to have because of you guys. Like I have
a little bit of news this summer. My wife and
I are actually moving to Denver. It's a long story
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of some stuff going on in terms of my wife
and I've been trying to have a kid for a
long time, and it's just been a little bit of
a chance challenge, and there are obviously like steps that
we could take to try to make that happen quicker,
but we're not quite ready for that, and so what
we're doing is trying to just take advantage of a
little window in time here where we don't have kids
and I work remote, so we can go do something
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like go up to Denver and I can. My wife
and I love to ski. It's like one of our
favorite things to do together, so we want to like
go up there and ski fifty sixty times and just
enjoy the weather and enjoy the mountains, be close to
an NBA city, be close to the best player in
the world, and Nakola jokicch and it's just such a
cool thing that we're going to get to experience, to
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get to just like pick up our family, our three dogs,
and go up to Denver and just live for a
couple of years. Because I happen to work remote, and
because you guys have done such an incredible job supporting this,
this job, this show over the years, and I just
it's I just feel incredibly fortunate. And it's not lost
on me that I can't like this entire experience is
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because of you guys, And I just hope you guys
understand how much I appreciate you guys. And it's been
our fourth champion, but we know there's going to be
so many more, and I'm just so excited to see
where the show goes next.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
What's the next big crazy thing that we do.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
How what kind of crazy NBA history are we gonna
all kind of cover together and do together. We have
plans for the show in terms of playback and like
doing watch alongs and more other kinds of live streams,
like who the hell knows what we can do surrounding
the being in an NBA city next year in terms
of our production. I'm just so excited for the future
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and so thankful for what we've accomplished to this point.
And again, I just I hope you guys understand how
much how much I appreciate you guys, how much I
appreciate our team, And I just feel I'm just feeling
very blessed and very fortunate today. But no rest for
the weary. We are right back into it because of
the NBA Draft and free agency in Summer League and trades.
And I'm literally recording with Sam Vassini later this afternoon,
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and I've got a bunch of prep I need. I'm
gonna be watching film all afternoon, getting ready for our
NBA Draft preview.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
But thankfully we're just a few weeks out.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
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things really toned back and then me and my team
will get a chance to relax, and then of course
I'll be turning around and moving my entire life up
to the North. But but yeah, we have exciting week
ahead of us.
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We've got that draft preview with Sam Vessini will most
likely be coming out tomorrow morning. I believe the plan
as of right now is to do a live reaction
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will keep you guys posted. Just keep an eye on
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And I've had people asking like, what are we going
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big picture NBA stuff where I plan on doing some
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NBA history. Just keep an eye on twitter feed at
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A well, Hoops to night.
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You're at the volume heavy Monday, everybody obald You guys
are having a great start to your week. Well, today
we're gonna be diving a little bit deeper into some
of the storylines. After the NBA Finals ended last night.
The Thunder defeat the Indiana Pacers in seven games behind
an incredible defensive effort in the third quarter. Last night,
We're gonna break down a bunch of different elements. I'm
(02:22):
gonna talk some big picture stuff, some kind of like
narrative stuff surrounding the Oklahoma City Thunder kind of I
want to have a moment to just remind Thunder fans
that it doesn't really matter what anybody else says about
your championship. Your trophy is your trophy and no one
can ever take it away from you. Let's talk a
little bit about next year and what the future looks
like for the Thunder. After that, I'm gonna kind of
go down the eight man playoff rotation for the Thunder
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and shout out each individual player for their contributions. Along
the way, we have a shout out for the Indiana Pacers,
and then at the tail end of the show, I
want to briefly just take some a couple of minutes
to reflect on this playoff run here at Hoops tonight,
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remainder of the season. All right, let's talk some basketball.
So first of all, congratulations to the Oklahoma City Thunder.
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As I talked about with Colin last night, it's not
exactly atypical when you look back at the great teams
in NBA history for their first title run to be
a little bit uneven, a little bit sloppy. Like look
at every team that has won consecutive championships. Let's pretend that, Okay,
see wins again next year, and then we look back
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at it relative to other repeating champions in NBA history.
You look at the Warriors in twenty fifteen, they're down
to one to the Grizzlies. They're down to one to
the Cavs in the second round, and in the finals,
very similar to this year's Oklahoma City team the Heat
in twenty twelve, they fall down to one to the Pacers,
they fall down three to two to the Celtics. They
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fall down one oh to the Thunder. That's after a
year where they lost in the finals. The Kobe pow
Lakers lost in the finals to the Celtics before they
won a couple in a row, the first Kobe Shack
team in two thousand. They almost lost to Sacramento in
the first round. Portland ends up taking them to seven games.
The NBA playoffs are hard for everyone, and that is
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no exception even for the great teams that especially when
they're in these situations earlier in their runs where they
don't have a ton of experience. Going into this postseason,
I had Oklahoma City second in my contender rankings behind
the Boston Celtics, and I did pick the Thunder in
all four of their playoff series. But their shortcomings were
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clear coming into the postseason. They're a really young team
that wasn't very resilient on offense. This was the year
to beat them if you were going to upset the
Thunder and kick them out, kind of like the Heat
did in twenty eleven, or the Lakers in two thousand
and eight. This was the year to beat them. This
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was the year they weren't quite as much of a
sure thing, and they got it done anyway. And now
their shortcomings can be pretty easily addressed internally. Shay's inconsistencies
as a processor, those will improve in time, and I
would argue him always getting it right in the big
games when everything was hanging in the balance is a
great sign that he gets it and how important that
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part of his game is. Chet will continue to develop offensively.
J Doub will become more consistent. Role players will process better,
shoot the ball better. All of that can come in time.
This Thunder team can get way better and has a
real chance to join the ranks of the truly great
teams in NBA history. I think they have a better
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chances than even Boston did last year or Denver the
year before that. We're gonna talk a little bit more
about that concept in a minute. But never ever, ever
take this for granted. Enjoy this title for as long
as you can. I know there are a lot of
Thunder fans that are annoyed today. Maybe you're annoyed because
of the public discourse after Tyree's Tours Achilles and people
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saying that that just means Indiana would have won if
he was healthy because he hit some threes before it happened.
Or maybe you're annoyed because you're you feel like your
team's not getting enough credit. First and foremost, who the
hell cares what anybody else thinks. They are all just
mad because their team didn't win the title. There are
cas fans still complaining about Kyrie and Kevin Love getting
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hurt in twenty fifteen. There are Warriors fans still complaining
about Andrew Boget's injury and Draymond Green suspension in twenty sixteen.
They are fans saying Denver didn't play any real teams.
In twenty twenty three. They are fans saying Boston didn't
play any good teams in twenty twenty four. Alex Crusoe
made a joke last night at the podium about the
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Bubble Championship because of how prevalent that bitching and moaning
has been over the course of the years, people complain
that's what they do. It literally cannot take the trophy
away from you, and it cannot take away your love
for your team, even with like me and my complaints
about Shay's foulgrifting. That's a big picture basketball opinion I
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have about the league, aet large that also includes two
guys on my favorite team, guys like Luca and Austin.
Austin reeves. You don't think if the Lakers won the
title next year, I promise you there would be thousands
of people bitching and moaning about the whistle that Luca
and Austin get as they should. It's bad television, but
I'd be there saying, bring us the damn trophy. The
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trophy is sacred. Nobody can ever take that away from you.
No amount of complaining, Twitter trolling, stupid media comments on
television or time can take that trophy away from you.
But at the same time, never delude yourself into thinking
it's easy to get there and win another one. I
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do think this Oklahoma City team, because of their talent
and because of their youth, is more well equipped to
repeat than Boston or Denver was. But both of those
teams in the moment did feel like teams that could repeat.
Let's go back even further, like twenty twenty with the Lakers.
You don't think after twenty twenty when Lebron was looking
like the best player in the world and Anthony Davis
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was looking like a top five player, and they still
had good years ahead of them, that you know that
they wouldn't have a really good chance to repeat the
next year. But no, Lebron turns his ankle, ad has
a groin injury. By the time they recovered, they make
a stupid trade. All of a sudden, they're not as
good the twenty twenty three Nuggets. Oh, Jokic is the
best player in the world. All of our starters are
in their mid to late twenties. Like, we are set
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up well to try to make a dynasty out of this,
and then it's like, oh, oh, actually, you know, you
lose a couple of valuable role players, a couple other
teams get better. Suddenly they're losing in the second round
to a bad matchup the twenty twenty four Celtics. You
don't think the Celtics last year, five thirty million dollar players,
Tatum didn't even play well. Tatum's gonna play better, right,
All these different things that could lead to them potentially repeating.
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We haven't even had a team make the conference finals
two years in a row since Kevin Durant left the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
The league is deep.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Other teams are coming. Houston will be interesting with Kevin Durant.
San Antonio. If they somehow get Yannis, they'll be a
real threat. Denver is still a bad matchup for Oklahoma City.
The Lakers have Luca now, you can't write them off.
The Warriors are all in. All it takes is one
of those teams to reach a level of special basketball to.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Be a true threat.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
So all I'm saying is, don't get caught up in
dynasty talk or any of that kind of thinking, yet,
really take the time to enjoy this title. This was
a remarkable title. It was a highly entertaining playoff front.
You played some really great teams. That Denver team in
the second round. That's the best player in the world
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who hung forty on you multiple times and was an
indomitable offensive force. And you guys withstood that and controlled
them in the key moments in Game four and in
Game five and in Game seven. Well, Minnesota was red
hot coming into that series. I remember when I was
talking with Colin right after the matchup got secured, my
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initial gut feeling I was like man, like Minnesota might
be able to do this.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I woke up the next morning and watched a bunch
of film and it was like, Nope, I'm picking Oklahoma City,
but like Minnesota was a real threat. You guys walked them,
You got them out of the building easily. And then
that Indiana Pacers team, in addition to being a truly
special basketball team, was riding some crazy voodoo, dark magic
shit where you had to beat them five times in
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every series because Tyree's Halliburton would steal a game from
the jaws of defeat. This was an incredible championship. So
I just wanted to say congratulations to the thunder in
their fans.
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For this next exercise.
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What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go down most
of the Oklahoma City roster their top eight guys in
the playoff rotation. I'm gonna shout out each individual player
for their contributions, starting with Shae Gills of Alexander. He
finished the playoff run at thirty points per game, five
rebounds and seven assists, with two point six stocks steels
plus blocks, and fifty seven percent screw shooting in terms
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of his efficiency. Now, yeah, it was somewhat uneven in
that Shay's decision making did play a role in some
of their rough offensive nights. But as I always talk about,
the NBA playoffs are about solving puzzles, and every time
the thunderseason was really hanging in the balance, he was fantastic.
We talked about it last night with call him. He
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had just seven assists in the rough games in the finals,
in the four games, Game one, Game three, Game four,
in game six, he had thirty assists in games two,
five and seven. Tennisis per game in every pivotal moment.
You lose Game two, you go down two zero, you
lose the series. You lose Game five, you go down
three to one, you lose a series. You lose Game seven,
you literally lose the series. And he was great in
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every single one of those games as a processor from
start to finish. The in Game four, even though I
thought he was rough for most of that game, down
the stretch, hitting the big three out of the two
man game with Jalen Williams at the top of the key,
it's at three off of the right wing, hitting that
little jumper on the left base line against Aaron E. Smith,
drawing a couple of fouls on Nie Smith and Iso.
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He made the plays he needed to make to win
the game. To put it very simply, the Thunder needed
Sga to be great, to play like a true superstar
in order for this team to win the championship, and
he did. As a result, He's just logged one of
the great shooting guard seasons in the history of the NBA.
He's the only player other than Michael Jordan in the
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history of the NBA to win a scoring title, make
First Team All NBA, win the MVP, and win Finals
MVP in the same season. I was asking Colin about
this last night in a Microsoft segment like he's seen
a lot of greats come through the league, and all
I could think is he is admirably filling the shoes
of the greats that come through before him. I've you
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know again, I know you thunderfans have had your frustrations
with me, as I've had my frustrations with some of
the foul grifting, which is again a big picture NBA
tape that even applies to some guys on my favorite team.
I just hate watching the finals on ABC, and you know,
seeing some of the grifty stuff that I see, I
don't want to see it from anybody. But that doesn't
change the fact that Shay Gilga Alexander just put together
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one of the great start to finish superstar seasons in
the history of the league. That doesn't change the type
of basketball player that Shay is. If anything, the grifting
stuff is part of his competitive advantage and his willingness
to take every single thing that he can take to
help his team win a game. I was incredibly impressed
by Shaye in this playoff run Jay Dubb, I'll talk
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about the idea of just making a play right within
a game. You have a rough game, but it's you
know two point game, five minutes left and you get
a big rebound, you hit a big spot up three,
you have a big transition defense possession where you get
back and you solow them down. Whatever it is, you
make a couple of plays, you help your team win.
No one's gonna care. JDub had a rough start to
this postseason. He was good against Memphis, Memphis not a
good team, but against Denver, in the first six games
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of the Denver series, he was at just sixteen and
a half points per game on thirty four percent from
the field twenty one percent from three. From Game seven
of the Denver series through the rest of the playoffs,
JDub averaged twenty three points per game on forty seven
percent from the field in thirty six percent from three.
You could really tell that it dawned on him that
nobody can keep him from getting to the rim. The
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stats were crazy on this front before Game seven against Denver.
In those first six games in the series, he averaged
just four attempts in the restricted area per game. From
Game seven of that series onward, he averaged six point
seven restricted area attempts per game, almost doubled his output
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at the rim. That's him figuring out that he is
a downhill forced to be reckoned. With seven restricted area
attempts per game is a big number, guys. That's like
encroaching on like the kind of stuff you see from
the Lebrons and the Yiannises or like those guys are
in like the eight to eleven restricted area attempts per
game and JDub was up there at like seven. Truly
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remarkable stuff from Jay Dubb. There's a ton of pressure
on Jadub as a twenty four year old second option
on a Big Finals favorite, to come through against some
elite defenses. Against some elite defenders, he had three games
in the Finals with at least twenty five points. He
had a forty point game in game five. Did his job,
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and he did it extremely well. Salute to Jalen Williams
chet Holmgren. Yes, it was a rough offensive postseason from
him on several fronts.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Who cares.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
You won the title and he's got another summer to
get better. Now. I thought he was the guy that
tied the Thunder defense together. Who've talked about this a lot.
You need bigs on the floor. BIG's help you rebound, bigs,
helpy screen bigs unlock a lot of things. So what
ends up happening is, you know, we talked about it
last night on playback. All of these teams, if you
go back, have great perimeter defenders. Yeah, Oklahoma City has
more of them, but like all these teams have great defenders. Boston,
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Drew Holliday and Jalen Brown were two of the most
disruptive perimeter defenders in the league. You go back to
previous year, Contavious Calledwell, Contavious Callwell, Pope, Bruce Brown, these
are Christian Brown. These are great perimeter defenders twenty twenty two,
Gary Payton Andrew Wiggins. Like there are all sorts of
elite perimmeter defenders on champions when you go back their
NBA history Drew Holiday in twenty twenty one, Alex Crusoe
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and KCP in twenty twenty that's kind of a hallmark
of championship teams. But the big Guy ends up being
the vehicle with which teams can get around that problem.
And Chet just presents another big, giant problem at the
big like in high, drop in low, drop in switches
protecting the rim and help. He was devastating at every
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level of Oklahoma City's defense, and even if they happened
to get a guard off of them, Chet was so
good at sliding his feet and keeping the ball in
front and making them take contested shots in the mid range.
Countless blocks on drives. He had eight blocks in their
last two wins in this series, the most blocks ever
in the history of the NBA Finals in a game seven.
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Unbelievable defensive playoff run from Chet Holmgren, Lou Dorton, Alex
Crusoe wrecking balls in every big moment. Both of them
were amazing last night. Alex Crusoe all over the place defensively,
Lou dort poke away steals, offensive rebounds. The two guys
combined for twenty seven made three pointers in twenty eight
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steals in the NBA Finals. That's for steels and four
to threes made per game. Book it from Dorton Crusoe.
Unbelievable performance. Cason Wallace a little bit of a rough
offensive series at times, but provided a similar impact on
defense to those other guys. Twelve steals in this series.
Consistently held up against post mismatches, forcing turnovers and misses
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forced turnovers at the point of attack. Great series from
Cason Wallace. Aaron Wiggins ten for twenty two from three.
That's huge in his series like this. Isaiah Hartenstein nineteen
offensive rebounds in the series. Him and Chett did a
ton of damage on the offensive glass in the series.
There's a big part of how they won Game four.
I'd argue they lose this series if it wasn't for
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the job that Chet and Isaiah Hartenstein did in the
fourth quarter of Game four on the glass. Hartenstein in
this series produced at a rate of eleven points and
thirteen rebounds per thirty six minutes. Very good production from
Isaiah Hartenstein. You got to shout out, Sam Preston, you
do not win the title without Alex Crusoe and Isaiah Hartenstein.
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He came out of that series last year and said,
I want to decrease our or I want to increase
our margin for air. I want to give these guys
some veteran presences, some guys that can help in some
specific areas of need. A legit fifth starter for their
small ball look, which they didn't have last year, right,
Legit two big look, a more physical big to get
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to provide an option different from Chet. Isaiah Hartenstein. The
job he did both Isaiah Hartenstein and Alex Caruso were
the only reason like you lose to Denver if you
don't have those two guys. Hartenstein throughout the series playing
up on Jokic's right shoulder to force him to spin
and drive left into Chet at the rim, which works
so effectively that having two big centers on the floor
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really affected Jokic. Caruso in Game seven fronting the post
against Jokich. Cruso was amazing in every big game in
this postseason run. Sam Presty did his job to help
his team win the championship. I'm really interested to see
what he does this summer, if he runs it back,
or if he tries to make some sort of improvement
on the margin. Just congratulations again to thunder fans. A
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really special team, a special playoff run. Now you have
the trophy. Tune out the noise, don't worry about all
that shit everyone else is saying. Or if I bitch
about Shay getting free throws, who cares? He's got a
Finals MVP. Now if as long as you guys enjoy
watching him, who cares what I think?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Just congratulations to thunder fans. They can never take that
away from you, we have to shout out the Indiana Pacers,
though I can't say enough about what the Pacers did
to inject life into this playoff front. They were one
of my favorite non champions that I've ever watched. They
play a brand of basketball that was infectious, exciting, and
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impossible not to root for. Their resilience and commitment to
playing forty eight minutes of great basketball every night set
an example that honestly every basketball coach in the world
should be looking to instill a similar type of basketball
character into their teams. The moments man like Tyrese those
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four game winners. I remember I saw an Instagram reel
shortly after Game one of the finals where all four
of them were kind of stacked up on each other,
and I was like, just an insane stretch of NBA moments.
The Siakam dunk all over JDub in Game six, the
TJ McConnell's scoring runs in the finals. There were just
so many moments. I'll never forget this Pacers team, and
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it's just such a huge bummer because of the Tyree's injury.
It's just such a gut punch to Pacers fans that
removes most of the excitement from this upcoming season. Similar
to the Tatum injury, the sheer timeline of Achilles recovery
dictates that will probably see some roster turnover by the
next time Tyres Haliburton sees the floor. That's super unfortunate,
but that playoff run will be burned into our brains forever.
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I'm thankful for pace for the Pacers. I can't even
imagine for you Pacers fans what it must have been
like rooting for that team. I just imagine it being
like the peak of sports fandom, like you guys loving
your team and watching the whole world fall in love
with your team and like everything. But obviously at the
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end the Tyree's injury and not getting the trophy, I
just imagine that was an incredible experience. And I know
that it's hard to see that now after what happened,
but that was a special Pacers team and again, I
just it's just burned into my brain and I'll never
ever forget that.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Indiana Pacers team.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Last thing before we get out of here today, I
just wanted to take a minute to shout out to
the Hoops Tonight crew and our fans. These playoff runs
are brutal for us. At one point we went live
thirty eight times at night out of forty one nights,
in addition to waking up the next morning for film
sessions and additional reaction content. About half of those days,
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we were easily doing over ten episodes per week for
two and a half months. There is a ton of
grueling work behind the scenes with editing for different feeds
and for social media. One of our guys, Shane, was
doing it all from the East Coast, so you can
imagine the kinds of preposterous hours that he was up
working for us. Jackson and Shane both did a ton
(23:47):
of great work to make this playoff run run as
smoothly as it's ever as it's ever gone. I just
wanted to shout those guys out, make sure everyone realizes
that this is a team effort, and I want to
shout you guys out our fans for all the incredible
support along the way. We did just under seven million
views in the playoff run, which is a record for
this channel. We crossed over one hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube,
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which was a huge moment for us. We're already about
to pass over one hundred and ten thousand subscribers, Like
I had a moment with my wife last night. We
went out and sat by the fire pit. This was
the already, it just the time's flying by. This is
the fourth time since I started working for the volume
that we've crowned a champion in the NBA, And it's
just that the years, they just keep piling on top
(24:31):
of each other, and like, it's just been such a
remarkable experience, and I just can't say enough about how
much I appreciate you guys and the support, all the
kind words over the years, the incredible experiences that I've
gotten to have because of you guys. Like I have
a little bit of news this summer. My wife and
I are actually moving to Denver. It's a long story
(24:53):
of some stuff going on in terms of my wife
and I've been trying to have a kid for a
long time, and it's just been a little bit of
a chance challenge, and there are obviously like steps that
we could take to try to make that happen quicker,
but we're not quite ready for that, and so what
we're doing is trying to just take advantage of a
little window in time here where we don't have kids
and I work remote, so we can go do something
(25:15):
like go up to Denver and I can. My wife
and I love to ski. It's like one of our
favorite things to do together, so we want to like
go up there and ski fifty sixty times and just
enjoy the weather and enjoy the mountains, be close to
an NBA city, be close to the best player in
the world, and Nakola jokicch and it's just such a
cool thing that we're going to get to experience, to
(25:36):
get to just like pick up our family, our three dogs,
and go up to Denver and just live for a
couple of years. Because I happen to work remote, and
because you guys have done such an incredible job supporting this,
this job, this show over the years, and I just
it's I just feel incredibly fortunate. And it's not lost
on me that I can't like this entire experience is
(25:59):
because of you guys, And I just hope you guys
understand how much I appreciate you guys. And it's been
our fourth champion, but we know there's going to be
so many more, and I'm just so excited to see
where the show goes next.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
What's the next big crazy thing that we do.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
How what kind of crazy NBA history are we gonna
all kind of cover together and do together. We have
plans for the show in terms of playback and like
doing watch alongs and more other kinds of live streams,
like who the hell knows what we can do surrounding
the being in an NBA city next year in terms
of our production. I'm just so excited for the future
(26:33):
and so thankful for what we've accomplished to this point.
And again, I just I hope you guys understand how
much how much I appreciate you guys, how much I
appreciate our team, And I just feel I'm just feeling
very blessed and very fortunate today. But no rest for
the weary. We are right back into it because of
the NBA Draft and free agency in Summer League and trades.
And I'm literally recording with Sam Vassini later this afternoon,
(26:58):
and I've got a bunch of prep I need. I'm
gonna be watching film all afternoon, getting ready for our
NBA Draft preview.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
But thankfully we're just a few weeks out.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Once we get after that first weekend of Summer League,
things really toned back and then me and my team
will get a chance to relax, and then of course
I'll be turning around and moving my entire life up
to the North. But but yeah, we have exciting week
ahead of us.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Again.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
We've got that draft preview with Sam Vessini will most
likely be coming out tomorrow morning. I believe the plan
as of right now is to do a live reaction
to the to the lottery on Wednesday night. But I
will keep you guys posted. Just keep an eye on
the Twitter feed and I'll let you guys know from there.
And I've had people asking like, what are we going
to do this summer? Lots of player ranking type stuff,
big picture NBA stuff where I plan on doing some
(27:42):
like rewatches on playback of like great NBA games and
NBA history. Just keep an eye on twitter feed at
Underscore Jason LT. I'll keep you guys in the loop.
Wrong along the way. Thanks again, another year in the books.
I'll see you guys tomorrow for some draft stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
What some guys.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
As always, I appreciate you for listening to and so
sporting hoops tonight. It would actually be really helpful for
us if you guys would take a second and leave
a rating and a review. As always, I appreciate you
guys supporting us, but if you could take a minute
to do that, I'd really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
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