Jenkins and Jonez - Bomani Jones On Drake’s Lawsuits + Kendrick’s Banner Year

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The Volume.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome to Jenkins and Jones on the Volume podcast Network
is Wednesday, November twenty seventh, and we got a real
gift from the podcast gods. I feel like usually the
scheduling ship does not work out in our favor, but
we happened to already have scheduled Bomani Jones before we
knew that we were going to have a double rap
beef lawsuit.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Bo Thanks for hopping off with us. Yo, it's wild.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
I just want to say start by saying hello and
thank you for having me right like, it's just I
got it. I can't thank you for having me on
this show. The timing is impact.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Timing's impeccable. For sure, it was I believe that was
Tyler's doing.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
But we've got Dragonfly Jones aka Tyler le Jethro Jenkins
aka John, I'm GUARDI b aka Mike.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
And Tyler. Why don't you Why don't you take it away? Brother?
I mean I Tyler Tyler.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Is Let's do a first thoughts podcast on the album
on Sunday. We'll see if Bau wants to hop on
with us early next week. And then it just so
happened in between those two podcasts Yeah, nothing happened We've
never seen.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
So that was the plan.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
It was like, Yo, let's let's do you know, kind
of a first listen, first impression, you know, overview rundown
of GNX on Sunday, and let's have bow On to
do kind of you know, a deeper dive into the
into gn X, into the year that Kendrick's had, into
the Kendrick and Drake beef and in between. Then the
funniest shit in rap history happens. The most hilarious shit

(01:35):
and rap history happened. Like Bro, you know, Kendrick gave
us the surprise drop on GNX. This motherfucker gave us
a surprise drop with some lawsuits, with some motherfucking legal
action like that was Bro. I honestly feel like this
is the corny shit ever happened in rap history. It
is the corny end because what I have been I
have been racking my mind trying to come up with

(01:55):
an example of anything that's that's in the arena of this,
and I've got nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Bro. It is on precedential levels of corny.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Okay, so I can't match the corny, but I want
people to understand just how funny this is in application, right,
I forget what happened. It led to me sending a
tweet about this, by the way, one of those tweets
that I thought would catch on a little stronger, but
apparently people don't. They like, I ain't no accounting for taste, right,
But anyway, I forget what had happened, But it made

(02:25):
me think about that time that kivers One ran up
on PM down at a club in New York and
threw Prince b off the stage, right, like that's that's
when beef was beef okay, And I you know how
things that would happen back then would kind of feel
what's the word apocryphal?

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Is that the word?

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Like these stories are just kind of bounce around, but
you never really got like a for real confirmation on it.
It's not like the USA today was gonna run something
like this, like Forbes will run a story about rap.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Now.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
You know, you just hear about this stuff and you
think it happens, right, Like if you've seen the documentary
about Teddy Pendergrass and the car wreck, there was an
allegation about the car wreck that I didn't think could
possibly have actually been true, but oh yes, it was
so what I did not realize until this week about
Kara res Run running up on stage with people who
don't know this Prince b is kind of like they

(03:14):
was like proto Frank Ocean right, like kind of proto
ato eights and heartbreaks. They was rapping, but they was
like kind of delicately singing, like you know, this is
kind of the steeze, and they had funny looking glasses
on this stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
It was a lot going on with these cats.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
But anyway, one of them said about karas One, if
Kara res One is a teacher, he is a teacher
of what And karas One is not a man to
abide by any level of disrespect. This dude's on stage
opening for Super Cat pm Don is Cara's one. Runs
up in there with the squad. They throw pm don

(03:49):
off the stage and while this is happening, and this
is the part that I did not realize, one of
his dudes ran up on the DJ booth, threw the
DJ out, and after Kris One has vanquished pm down
from the stage, they played South Bronx, South bra South
South Brawl, the victory music and what Drake.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Did It's fifteen times funnier than that. Right like after
that happened.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
They asked Kris One about it, and kavras One said,
I am a teacher of respect.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
That's great. This is fifteen times funnier than that. Not
one lawsuit but two lawsuits. Who two?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
I mean they've said Drake is an actor in a
comedian and the comedic timing on the second lawsuit is
really fucking impeccable. I mean it's really like, it's really
incredible that you would be like, oh, you.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Thought I was done, I got another lawsuit for Mike.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Mike, one of the funniest tweets I've seen about this
is you tweeting after the second loss you dropped.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
You tweeted, oh shit, he dropped again. It's unbelievable. I
think it's lawyer. He deserves more credit for his pen bro.
Back to back lawsuits. Do you know how long those
finaliks are? Well?

Speaker 4 (05:06):
See, that's I'm curious how this goes when you're the lawyer,
because these are, on one level, these are unwinnable lawsuits, right,
is the lawyer just down to take the money like
what other phone calls has the lawyer taken? Because let's
be honest about this, the decision to do this. This
is an idea that Drake concocted while talking to white people.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
There's not one single black man concocted while talking to
white people.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
Yeah, white people got in the room and came up
with a white people last idea. We got whooped so bad,
we got to bring up some other fucking math niggas.
We can't beat them in art, nigga, but we can
out math these niggas, I guess, And you're wrong, bitch,
You're all buts.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
No flag person who thought about this.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
This is the scene is straight out of Compton where
they hear no vasily and Jerry Heller is like, I'll
call the Inside Defamation League, which by the way, might
be Drake's nest phone call, just so we know, right
like that that might be on the list. Only white
people could have possibly thought this was a good idea,
And my theory on that is a little different. It's

(06:15):
a little weighty, perhaps, But in the year two thousand
and six, I lived in Durham, North Carolina, and that
was when the dood Lacrosse trial happened. I realized we're
at a point now where people may not know where
the dood Lacrosse trial is, but you go ahead and
look at it. But the long and the short is
a woman said the three white lacrosse players from Duke
had raped her, and it became a big national scandal

(06:37):
that turned out to be a hoax. Right, And I
lived in Durham, and black people in Durham got a
bad rap. They was like, y'all gotta do something about this, right, like,
get to the bottom of it. And when it turns
out to be a hoax, you know, they get real
mad at us about that stuff. But the point that
I always made was the district attorney, this white man,
came out and told us that a sexual assault had

(06:57):
occurred and that he was going to prosecut So we
thought that a sexual assault had occurred. And you know
why we thought a sexual assault had occurred because we
knew you don't lie about nothing like that. But rich
white people they're gonna destroy you. You had to You
had to be telling the truth.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Right, you don't.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
You don't come at these rich white people like this
unless you're really ready for the smoke. And guess what,
he was not ready for the smoke, and they did,
in fact destroy him. Drake just sued universal Universal only
has I mean as one of the three. Right, there
are three record labels left, basically, and Universal is one

(07:35):
of them.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Drake is suing them.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Only a white person would have the confidence to believe
that this is a good idea. No, every black person
forget about all this. You look like a dork shit, right.
Every black person is like, hey, homie, I'm gonna tell
you right now, man, the white folks don't play about this.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Even if you win, you gonna lose.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Here's here's here's the thing, and and and to your point,
the homie Andre g Or Rollingstone wrote a pretty good
article yesterday where he spoke to a couple of entertainment lawyers.
And entertainment lawyers are like, bro, this is not even
going to trial. This there's no meat on this bone.
And and and you know, like my mine is minus
the sucker shit.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Like both said. I'm wondering what is he hoping to
gain from this?

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Because the thing is this, right, when you ask what
are you hoping the game, you have to ask what
does Drake want here?

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Right?

Speaker 1 (08:30):
And it feels like the genesis the foundation. The underlying
main argument of this litigation is Drake is asserting this.
It is impossible that this many people enjoyed seeing me
getting my ass beat right like that is what he
is struggling. That is what he can knock under grips.
He cannot believe that millions of people danced over his

(08:52):
body after he got knocked the fuck out right like that.
That is something that he just cannot grasp. And and
it's like, bro like for someone who said that they
were so unbothered by this all we all knew that
was bullshit every time you said it, but for you
to just admit it in a roundabout way like this,
it's like, dog, this is the biggest l in rap history.
And I want to say something to all these motherfuckers
acting like Drake is some valiant, you know, fucking warrior

(09:14):
take you know, raging against the machine on this one,
you know, doing this artistic. It's a lot of motherfuckers
on fan boys, of course, trying to rationalize.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
How many of them are white.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
Only a white man could possibly think this is the revolution.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
I've seen actual black folks.

Speaker 6 (09:30):
That was said that one of you said, I used
to be your Drake sexual that said, I can't even
get behind this, you know what I mean, Like he's
embarrassing his black fans, So there's gotta.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Be white folks like you saying you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
And yeah, and that's the thing, Like he is not
raging against the machine right here. He is raging at
the machine right like. He's not doing this to highlight
the machine and bring its light and say this has
to change. He's asking what change? What happened to this
machine that used to worked for me and now it
flipped on me? Like that is what he's asking with this, bro,

(10:03):
He's asking what was the shift here? When this when
this you know machine that I that that y'all used
to game to work for me.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
I know what it looks like when y'all do that shit.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
And it's looking like y'all get the verse here right
like that is the underlying subtext of this ship. And
it just he looks like such a fucking sucker here
because it's like he's admitted that he can't believe that
this many people dislike him and Buddy, a lot of
people dislike your ass, period, and he cannot believe that
the machine that was working for him decided to flip
on him.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
And he's asking why it happened and who was behind it?

Speaker 6 (10:32):
I think he's also shocked that he was out bombed,
Like I'm the buck god, nigga. You know what I'm saying,
and me in front of the whole world, Nigga, there
has to be something wrong with the machine for this
to happen.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
I gotta get the law involved in this. This is good,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
Like this thing got his ass whooped so bad, he's
looking around, called the ambulance.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Nigga.

Speaker 6 (10:56):
Nia was talking ship and didn't want the law.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Called ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
No, I'm asking this question, is it fair to say
that this is bigger than any song that Drake has
ever had? Because I don't traffick into spaces like that
anymore and Drake is not my guy. But I think
I'm may be the best person to answer that, Yes,
this is the biggest record.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
This is bigger than any record that Drake has had.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
He broke Drake's records with this, this record beating this
Nigga's ass.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yes, like this is you know, this is the universe.
It ain't just the album. The turn on you. God said,
fuck this figger. We had enough, but the thing and.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
This is what I think he misunderstands, like the deal here,
even if the algorithm turned on him.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Right, let's just say that happened.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
Let's say that everything that is listed in that lawsuit
true and that it was erroneous, and that this song
was forced to pall people who didn't even want it
and died, I die. Whatever it took to catch homie
it did. Okay, you can't erase that fact and universal
in their file and was like, buddy, we can't tell
people what to like. They don't believe that fully, but yes, right, like, okay,

(11:59):
you can't tell people what to like.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
We liked it, we love it. Put that ship all
right now. Period.

Speaker 6 (12:03):
But the thing is, though, you can't fake white boys
in clubs yelling you were pedophile when they dropped the beat.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Niggas, you can't fake that. That ain't that. Ain't them niggas.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
You can't fake a brin yo yo, big bro dancing
to that shit at the pop out, Nigga, that ain't that?
Is that und you You know what I'm saying. We
we seen, we seen the shit, bro. We was there, nigga.
You can't fake what we saw, bro. Fuck the numbers nigga.
The culture win a different way. Your own homies.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Your big bro said, fuck you goofy ass nigga.

Speaker 6 (12:38):
You know what I'm saying, Big bron Be damn nigga,
Big Bro me, Damn, I'm tired of your goofy ass.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
This is where it said, let me be with the
real nigga. You know what I mean. I've seen it.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
I was in Barcelona smoking weed at a social club,
playing Mexican bingo and the woman was explaining how you
play the.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Game, and then not like us came on as she
closed their eyes and she's sugar hips from side to side.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
And this was in July, so it wasn't even like it.
It just came out right like like this is now, dude,
you're on the business end of this. Her eyes, close
her eyes, this was her spiritual spiritual she closed he
sweat started playing.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Last like in a sensual place.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Like like like that that look, you know that look.
It was not like you don't close your eyes with
your jail come on and right and like that's the thing.
People felt romantic about this situation. I'm not saying I
don't understand why the bad don't feel bad and feel
sized and feel all these things. But suing was never

(13:48):
going to be the way to go about this.

Speaker 6 (13:52):
I've never ever ever seen somebody I'm going to call
the law. We need to get the law involved after
this ass whoopen, take the ass whooping, Take some.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Deep reps, move on. You still have your nuts, nigga.

Speaker 6 (14:08):
You gave you packed your nuts up and set them
motherfuckers off when you filed that motherfucking shit. Bro.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
You know what I'm saying now, it's just you shake
like a kin doll out this motherfucker. You ain't got
shit left.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
You ain't got shit left, bro. And he was on
this motherfucker talking about who's the dude. He's talking about
his fragile op nigga. You the fragile Rose Sleeve Lacy,
who was frock competent fucking nigga.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
He will beat your whole ass. You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (14:38):
You the fresh op, You the niggas starting three or
three tournaments at thirty seven. You know what I'm saying,
getting getting lessons to learn how to play basketball.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
That's some white man shit.

Speaker 6 (14:51):
He's teaching me how to drip when I'm a post
I know how to do the fucking spider now you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
You lame ass nigga. Now you a fuck nigga.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
It's crazy, bro, I have zero respect for this nigga.
Now I can't listen to this music. It's against my spirit.
The ancestors will not let me go back listen to
old Drake no more.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
You know what I mean. I got chilled you and
I gotta you know what I'm saying, set example for
well I was, but see it was never cool with
my soul. Like I just want to say it. It was.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Well, you know, and I know what the problem was.
Y'all was still trying to be hip all. Y'all was
out here, still try to be cool. Y'all still wanted
to be like you down with what the streets is
down for. I spied a sucker from a mile away,
that a sucker, and I couldn't believe how many people
like old heads that I think about, who really rock

(15:45):
with him.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
That surprised me.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Like I did an interview with DJ Premier once and
I was shocked with him talking about how much he
liked Drake. Now, part of that is he's a producer,
and producers just care about the tony your voice and
they imagine like what they could do with your music.
But I still saw a lot of people in that direction,
and it just seemed countered to me to everything those
cats raise me to believe, and I just figured they
just wanted to be young and him.

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I don't.

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Speaker 1 (19:57):
I think a lot of us listen to Drake, there's
a that we had to do a bit of a
suspension of corniness. We were like, Okay, the motherfucker's corny,
but this shit kind of riding right Like, I think
a lot of us were on that shit. But I'm
gonna tell you, I mean, I'm on the same shit
with John where I'm like, bro, I can't fuck with
this dude anymore. And where he lost me was even
before the loss of it was during the beef where

(20:18):
he was moving like a white man. He was moving
like a white dude to me when he started family
matters off on his phone talking to his mom about
how how Kendrick doesn't like him saying nigga and open
the song with.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Nig dall said it. I'm like, that is a white boy.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
That is a white that that man had a conversation like, hey, mom,
a guy I know doesn't like when I say nigga.
But guess what I'm gonna say it again. I'm gonna
say it anyway. I don't care. I have never had
a conversation like that with my black mom and my
black household about someone doesn't want me calling them a nigga,
like you know what I'm saying, and then the you
wrap like you want the slaves freed. I was like, dog,
this is a white man right here. This is where
I get off, and yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Like yeah, what is wrong with that?

Speaker 6 (20:56):
He like it was a bad thing that he rasped
like he wants to waves free? Did you want it
the other way, mister white man?

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (21:03):
And that's why the people saying that you mean, and
that's why the people saying he's being some freedom fighter
for artists rights or full of ship. The mother one
of the things he clown is, oh, you are concerned
with a cause greater than yourself. That's laughing, y'all.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Said Drake on stage talk about lock film up.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Bro, somebody somebody said this is Drake's January sixth.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
That's what the chat is all over saying this is
Drake's January sixth and calling him January sixth.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
God, that's what.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
Bro, that's a that's a bar. But Bro, that's what
I said. I said, check his vote, check his check
hiss voter record. He might be a trumper nigga. After
I saw this shit, Hey we need to hey, check
it off, we need to hit the background.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
I don't know about this, nigga. It's nasty. How do
he think this was gonna play like?

Speaker 4 (21:53):
That's like again, That's why I say there must have
been no black people in the room. I don't understand
how he thought this was going to play the culture.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
He's gotten older and adopted the culture. He didn't grow
up in it. If you grow up in it, you
see the fucking ones and zeros. You see this motherfucker
like the Matrix, you know what the fuck goes and
what doesn't go. It's in your spirit, you know what
I'm saying. It's in you, not on you. But that
motherfucker don't see it. He don't get it, bro.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
I think, don't get.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
He knows he's he knows that that's not where he's from.
But he thought the Matrix to him, was the business
part of it. And that's why he's suing Universal. He's
not the first musician to be upset because he thought
the machine was his machine, and then he found out
he's one of the cubes that goes into the machine
that money comes out the other end. Lots of musicians
and artists have been outraged to find that out. He's

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the first person who hasn't said I got a hundred
million dollars in the bank and my testicles. Let me
sit here and figure this out.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
B But this is but that.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
But that part is kind of to me where it
gets interesting, right, because the biggest star that I can
think of to really have a public fight with the
label is obviously Michael Jackson around nineteen ninety five, and
they did not destroy him, but they came pretty close, right.
The biggest thing though, that they wanted from Mike was
they wanted that catalog, right, Like I think they were

(23:18):
content to keep Mike going, but they wanted the ATV catalog,
the Beatles catalog, as they wanted that publisher back, and
that was the game that they were playing on that.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
But what I'm.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Saying is even Michael Jackson, they were like, nah, baby,
we got something for you.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
And he was as close as anyone to that machine
being named the Michael Jackson machine.

Speaker 6 (23:37):
Right.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
But a major difference between that time and now and
something that I think actually happened and makes this like
legitimately interesting on the litigious front, that's pre telecommunic Telecommunication
Acts of nineteen ninety six that allowed for all these
mergers on top of each other, all these record labels. Right,
like that clip that goes around of vin stables talking
about at Universal, how all the labels that were under

(24:00):
Universal has been folded into Universal, and Universal is now
just one label. When I was growing up, it was
the big six labels. It's only three labels now. Everybody
signed to one of these three labels. So Kendrick is
working under Universal. Also, there was a time where this
stuff was disparate enough that if it wasn't necessarily guaranteed

(24:20):
that the two guys are gonna be on the same label,
but even if they were, the label would have been
small and manageable enough for somebody to call in and
be like, all right, I'm gonna sit y'all down at
the table and we gonna show this out.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
All the beats that we could think about. Really in
rap it was.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Crewe versus Crew, which is a different independent label, and
everything else.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Now these dudes are in the same house.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
So Drake, who has had benefactors look out for him
in various ways for all this time, he's like, all right, cool, Well,
I would just go to the bosses, because the bosses
got my back all the time. But the bosses also
got this dude's back, and they're doing the math on
this and they like, hey, Pemp, I think we don't
go on as far with you as we could possibly go.
This Eddy money right here is rising money on top

(24:59):
of that, and now they're just like, hey, you got
either A you on your own, settle it yourself, or
B we love both of you.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Right well, it's worth noting to that point. That was
one of the early responses to Not Like Us was oh,
this is the last song. This is the last thing
that's going to happen in this because Universal is gonna
shut it down, because they're not gonna let one of
their big artists called their other big artists of pedophile
on a song they're making money off of, and Universal said, actually,
we're fine with people doing whatever they want to do

(25:30):
that makes us money.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
We don't give. We don't give yes and getting shot
in the streets.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
You think they care about you think they care about
the destructive nature of your content.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Talking about yeah, so let's that man found a lawsuit
against you and saying asking them why didn't they stop
not Like Us after they heard it?

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Didn't you choose me? Why didn't you why you choose
him over me?

Speaker 6 (26:00):
One.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Let me to be fair, that is a legitimate question.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
It's just not something that you follow a lawsuit over, right,
like for example, Drake, I don't think Draken's in the
wrong with de mar de Roses. Right when you got
traded and you was sad and crying about that shit,
you came to my house. All I'm saying is did
you have to be in the video? Did you have
to be on stage at the concert? And he say

(26:26):
you gotta pick a side, But I'm saying, you ain't
got to pick the side that's against me.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
I think that's a fair question. I think it.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
But what's weird about Dracus? He doesn't understand there's no
picking here. They're from the same place. Damar doesn't choose
that side. If you if you from like Nigga, you
know what tom it is. You know what I'm saying,
Like this is cool for the moment, but like dog,
we're from the same place.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
We moved it away. They cousins probably know each other.
You know what I'm saying. Aunties might get dinner together
type shit. Bro, It's different.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
You could have been busy, you could have said you
had something to do on the day of the video,
you didn't have to be.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Instead, he like, hell, no, try to be there. Why
that hurt the man's feelings?

Speaker 6 (27:08):
I see why I hurt the man's finished. But it
was like it was come on, it was no. No,
you're correct. The ros and had reasons for doing that.
But Drake's not wrong, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
I hear you. I hear like, Drake has a point.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
There's a reason, like, but he went too far, right.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Universal, I didn't make you enough money, like you know
what I mean, Like, I haven't made you enough money for.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
You to do I have to do. I've given you
all because hungry.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I completely understand why Drake felt that way about Tomorrow.
But I think where where he opens himself up to
ridicule together is when he does the tough talk that
he did against Tomorrow, right Like, like, Bro, you feel
you can say, you can say, you know, I'm done
with Tomorrow. I thought we were cooler and that that's
completely understandable in that, But to call that man a

(28:01):
pussy and all that, Like.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Bro, no one in the world is scared of you.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
Aubrey in the wrong situations and a white man in
the wrong situations. You want to be a white man
when you talking to tomorrow. I'm sorry, mister. You know DeRozan,
you you know what I mean. You gotta be like
that because that's de bo. We understand that you would
have got your ass drugs and then you want to
be a nigga about the lost shit.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Nigga, We ain't going that route. I'm the nigga in
the room.

Speaker 6 (28:27):
I'm sorry. I'm not going to the law of this.
That's some whole shit. At least I got my nuts,
he didn't take them. You don't know when to be
what you should be. Fuck nigga, because you ain't from
this shit goofy.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
And I need everybody to understand. You can explain to
me the logic of the lawsuit. You can tell me
no matter if you think it's all right right and
you break the whole thing down, you can do all
of those things.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
I don't care, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
That's not what we are talking about because we are
not lawyer.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
We don't care about this a single bit.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Like everybody that saw this, This is not just like
the thing about people with money or whatever, like did
y'all watch hacks on HBO? Nah no, I pete, it's
worth it's worth checking. But one of the things about Hack,
one of the things that runs in Hacks is Jenie
s Far's character files a lawsuit against this young woman
who works for her. And they still see each other there,

(29:25):
they work together in all this, but she filed a
lawsuit against her, because that's what they do at that level. Right,
you got a dispute, you can't get to the bottom
of it, get you twelve white folks take that ship
to trial. That's that's what that's what they do, right,
That's not how this works here.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
That's these aren't the rules of this game. I don't
know how you didn't get this.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, Like to your point, both you can explain it logically, legally, financially,
all that shit, that doesn't matter because, like I said,
what matters to me, and I think to a matter
to a lot of rat fans, is the emotional motivation
behind it.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
And that motivation, like I mentioned, is that.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Man just cannot believe that the whole world enjoyed seeing
him get it, get his teeth kicked in, And that's
what it all comes down to.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, that's a lot to come to terms with. But
just bro you gotta you got private privately, so yeah,
you know what I'm saying, figure it out, figure it out,
you know.

Speaker 6 (30:19):
And if people come in like trying to explain how
this makes sense, and I'm the fuck all that, bro,
you know what I'm saying, or a lot how Drake won.
If it going tobody numbers, I don't give a fuck
about none of that ship that shod bro. That and
that's some white people ship too, going by numbers. I'm
not going off of that, bro, you know what I mean.
Somebody's somebody's on the stream talking about a fragile, fragile
op you know what I mean with a white man.

(30:40):
I don't know they're streaming, and another thing is on
the super Bowl? Tell me who won, bitch ass nigga.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Think about how much times have changed where part of
people's explanation for why they think Drake is whatever he
is is because women like his music. And I'm not
discounting women's opinions on music. And I'm not saying that
it's bad if women like your music, right, I'm not

(31:10):
saying their.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Boats don't count.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
I am saying, dude, if your explanation for why you
like him so much is because they like it. We
are not the same You're not from your rides. We
are not from the same state, we are not from
the same city. We're not from any of the same places.
The explanations that people make for why Drake is whatever

(31:34):
it is don't never sound like no shit that I understate.

Speaker 6 (31:37):
What's also the thing though, when people be saying that
shit at Gucci concert, Nigga, who was there?

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Women at Loop A concerts?

Speaker 6 (31:48):
Women nerd hats motherfucker with it with the dirty chucks.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Where were you at, bitch? You wasn't outside.

Speaker 6 (31:55):
You definitely wasn't outside because wherever I was at, they
was out with it. You know what I'm saying, So
like bro that that that's a that's a silly, silly,
silly argument. You know what I mean. Women ain't with
me because of music I'm playing, Nigga. You know what
I'm saying. They with me because on me. Fuck nigga,
you feel me. I'm you know what I mean. I'm
sorry if that's what you got to do. But on

(32:16):
this side, you hear me, it ain't being what that
and none of that.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
To deliver with your baby. Are you feel me? And
I got another one out there too.

Speaker 6 (32:27):
You hear me, You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Ship because my ma Honda the Jeen machine.

Speaker 6 (32:37):
Fuck nigga, I put a black leg on that motherfucking
you would gasp and I was playing the funk out
of loope, goofy ass, nigga.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Fuck you mean.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
If I played Drake and you in the car, I'm
afraid that you gonna think that's how I am.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
I want you to think this. I would much rather
you listen to this ugk.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
And look there's some flaws to that argument too, but
if I go, if you got to pick one, i'd
Busch rather you think I was Chad.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Here's yeah, for sure, for sure, man, Tony Snow.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
The thing about Drake fans like like you like you
touched on, But one of the things they always point
to is is you know, you can't play can't check
around the woman like That was one of their the
things during this beef. And I think that's a real
big deal with a lot of Drake fans because like
that whole woman argument, that is an extension of what
they perceived to be cool, right like, because the subtext

(33:30):
there is is this music won't make me look cool
around woman, but Drake's music will, right, So they have
this attachment that they think Drake embodies cool. And of
course when you see something that in bodies cool, you
you want to kind of assimilate to that and follow that.
So when people are calling Drake a lamee, it feels
like people are calling them lanes. And I think that
are exactly And that's why so many of them go

(33:52):
so hard from me, because it's it's bigger than just
you know, saying this rapper is laying. You're saying you
thought this rapper was cool, and you emulated this rapper
because you thought that's what was But you're lame to
by extension, and the.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Thing is to another one. We won't even know you
did the first move. Why'd you another one? I don't
know who the other one is? For you to put
one kinds of other rappers out there.

Speaker 6 (34:13):
It's women in my in my in my missions talking
about they embarrassed, you embarrassed like this Drake shit is
embarrassing them. They talking about he you know, he acting
like a brad right now.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
That's that's the thing.

Speaker 6 (34:25):
They said, Drake ass is acting like a brad nigga.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
That's like a half a step from a conner.

Speaker 6 (34:33):
You know what I mean, Nigga, this is this is
this is a woman that said this, Well, so what
the fuck argument are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (34:39):
It's weird. You're just being weird in front of everybody
at this But.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
This the other part, I feel like they need to
catch And I've always thought that this was a like
major part of this whole thing that's been lost, which
is in a time like it's wartime, right, Your your
core most loyal people are the ones who will go
stand by you. So California stood by Kendrick Gloar a
very powerful way. Drake's most loyal base for all this
time was women, right. I don't think there's any doubting

(35:04):
good question about that. Like his core base, really it
was dudes that liked him, but it was really women
that was holding him down. And he blew that to
Smitherings with the way he dealt with Megan thee Stallion
and when it all happened, all he all he had
only people that had his back was Kevin Durant and Lanes.
I am keeping Kevin Durant separate from the Lanes, but

(35:27):
it was Kevin Durant who rides for him, tougher than
I could ever imagine, and millions of lames, that's all
that he had left, and and.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
All those you gotta play Drake around the girls.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Girls ain't want to hear that no more because he
sounded like a sucker to them now because he engaged
in some sucker behavior as far as they was concerned.
And ain't no going back. You don't earn your way
out of suckle with them. It just don't work that way.
And now he is sucking for.

Speaker 9 (35:50):
The world, and I suck it yourself from I think
part of the shock for Drake too is, you know,
and one thing like we've I would not say we
were Drake on this show, but we've given Drake credit.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Tyler's given Drake a lot of credit for the length
of his run in an arena that usually you don't
get to be in the ring for that long.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
He thought that the Internet was his era. He thought
that like that, that that was the core base was
people on the Internet. We talked about this with the
meek Mill stuff. He knew how to use the platforms
that everyone.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Was on better than anybody else.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
And I think part of why you see the public
hurt in him. Is all of that turned against him too?
So to to Bo's point, what's his core constituency? At
this point, he's going to the labels saying, at least
it was you, right, you were at least my core constituency,
because we mid some internet doesn't give a fuck, the

(36:47):
label doesn't give a fuck. No one is up on
top of the mountain forever, in anything, in anything.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
And I think he's I feel like, and I don't
know the man, and I understand the day to psycho analyze,
but I think his crashed out is you not on
top no more?

Speaker 3 (37:04):
That's over. Kendrick Lamar has taken the top spot.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Okay, but there's a lot of space between the top
and the bottom. There's a lot of space between the
top and the middle. There's a lot of room for
you to continue and do whatever your thing is. But
you have to just take this l right, This l
is what it is. You just kind of got to
take it. And he can't stand apparently not being the
king of this whole thing right again, I judged the

(37:30):
rest of you very harshly, forever allowing his monarchy to
ever happen. You know, I turned around. Nobody was behind.

Speaker 6 (37:38):
I thought this was fired. I'll fuck with the music.
I didn't the music, Yeah, you didn't, You didn't.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
You know he was about his music though.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
I thought he could really rap right, And I'll never
forget once I was I was a graduate school and
I went to this discussion and his professor Nate Phillis
Jackson Phillips Jackson's Bad Lady Boy, and Phillis was talking
about this was a discussion about, you know, the way
that we was talking about women in the raps and
all that stuff. And she made a point that stuck
with me forever, which was everybody keeps defending this on

(38:06):
the basis of how good somebody is, and I don't
understand why being good at this matters that much. Yeah,
And that was my thing with Drake, just because you
good at this, I just don't like what this stands for.
And then he put out Marvin's Room and I was
just like, hell no, we ain't doing this. We this
That That was That was really when I was like,
I quit, I surrender. I'm like on every He hadn't

(38:28):
even tried to do that again, right, because he's so
angry in his soul these days.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
He can't even he can't even tap into his inner symphonymore.

Speaker 6 (38:37):
He really, he really think he hard. And I think
that's one thing too, is he didn't. He forgot who
he was to a degree to his head like, dude,
you you make bops.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
You're not tough. You're not you know you're not.

Speaker 6 (38:49):
And dude like, as a as a nigga, that's not tough. Bro,
I lean into that motherfucker. The fuck you feel me?
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
I'm not out here acting hard because I'm not. But
he thought he was. You feel me? And then he
ran into a monster. H and he should and.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
Before before, before he before he fucking jumped out there.
If he had any self awareness, he would have realized
this is not where, This is not the arena.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
In which I want to spark in front of the world.
Let me let him have that. He threw a jab.
I'm gonna keep this brand and keep this train rolling
over here.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
He lost himself, jumped out there with a monster and
got destroyed. And then the thing you can get destroy
you'd be like, yo, this fucking monster beat my ass.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
But at least it took a monster. Let me take
my masks on. No, I'm gonna still.

Speaker 9 (39:40):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (39:40):
You ever stepped on a fucking on on a on
a bug and his legs still shaking? Bitch your dad
lean he is over with See what's going on on
the other side.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Bitch, what's your fighting? Faulk. It ain't happening. Dog, that
leg need a quit twitching. Nigga is over your cup.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
That's then, ain't nigga you got jazz draw. Sit your
ass over here somewhere.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
It's not happening. Ain't no winning this. You can't. He can't.

Speaker 6 (40:06):
He can't accept it. He's lost me this he's there's
no self awareness. It's crazy to see.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Like like to your point, the reason he won against
Meek was self awareness. The reason he lost against Pusher
and Kendrick was lack of self There was a shift
that happened in between those battles, right, because the way
he beat me, I feel like we need to revisit
that and do some strength of schedule reevaluation.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
It was a bad matchup for me.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Yeah, but but but but we've seen Meek isn't the
sharpest knife in the draw in the right We've we've
seen that and and I'll come back to that when
I talk about it, Right, now, bro.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
But he can go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
He had a moment with these kids. Yeah, but look,
I'm not I'm not here to rewrite history. Drake caught
a body versus me. It wasn't for us, right like,
and it was a historic win because Drake, like that
was the first battle where we saw that social media
was going to be the judge and jury during battles.
And Drake levershed that ship perfectly. And like you said, John,
he was leaning. He was leaning into being self aware,
realized that he wasn't a tough guy. He was like,

(41:11):
I respects. Yeah, we respected it because he was like
he was like mikas a certified goon from Philly.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
I can't outstreet this dude.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
What I will do, Yeah, what I will do though,
is point out how he's getting bodied by a square here,
by a singer nigga, right like.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
That was his whole anger.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
He was like, I'll make myself the butt of the joke,
but the bigger butt of the joke will be Meek
losing to a butt of the joke.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Masterful, masterful strategy right there.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
But something happened when it came to push you and
Kendrick bro right like, like like he wasn't going to
be the guy who realized he wasn't a tough guy.
He was talking crazy to those two. He was in
his mob ties. Don eraon.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Like I said, we gotta adjust for straight. Push his
wife by name.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Dog.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Listen, you brought up.

Speaker 6 (41:54):
Her wife, and then you're confused with the fact that
he's fucked everybody that you fuck with. You brought up
the mass b you and and that shows that he's
confused by the response. That's some sucker shit.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Well, like when you bring up a mass wife, that
opens up everything.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Well, well, hold on, let's be clear about Drake though.
One boundary place that he seems and I don't even
want to say struggle with like something he thinks is
cute that most of us know we'll get you killt
is dealing with women or talking about women just because
some dude did.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yeah, right, he always clapping back with your girl thinks
I'm cooler than you.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
Like that, follow following them after something happens, and all
of this stuff, right, Like, I just I don't understand
how worst case scenario hadn't come to find him any
sooner based on that sort of behavior, right, because I
thought the mistake that he made in both of those
battles was off the rip.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
In both cases, he underestimated them.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
His approach, he tried, it's what happened with Jay, but
Jay did a better job of it. With Takeover, he
went with, you know this, this is dismissing right, not realizing. No,
these dudes hate you, man like you're not there. They're
they're coming back that not playing this game the same
way that you played it. Like that to me was
where he messed up. And then with Kendrick, he was like, Okay,

(43:08):
the argument that the Kendrick is making against me is
that he is real, whatever real means, he is real
and I am not real. I have to demonstrate that
he is not real, but I don't have any tools
to demonstrate that he is not real. And I really
don't have any tools to demonstrate that I'm real, because.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
As we just talked about, the last time.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
I did this, I won by being like I ain't
even the real dude. But the way Kendrick was attacking him,
that wasn't an option because he would have had to
he would have had to admit that he was an imposter.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
He had no play right.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
He didn't know he just he was into one place
that I told him to start with talk about him
being short, and knew that would come. I mean, look,
it's always fun, right, It's always a crowd pleaser. Is
a domestic violence when the girl is bigger than you?
Rate line a great job, Drake, Like, I don't want
to take away you actually put out some pretty dope
stuff along the way.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
You just gotta raise.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
But I want to help the guys out of an
engagement with to Chad rule. As we were talking about
a lack of self aware this. I don't know who
Marty macfly is, but while we having this discussion, being
the person who says Marvin's Room is a classic, So.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
What are you about?

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Fact, Like, when you really stop and looking at yourself
in the mirror and you hear what we got to
say about this, and you are like that is a classic.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Do you see yourself in that record?

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Like you as probably a grown man at this point
in your life and you hear that.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
So I'm just saying you can do better, you know, like, yeah, yeah,
I'm just I'm just asking you as.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
The party probably cool, you know, he probably been cool
with us, but yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Bet he was but I'm just telling him right now,
I don't think you understand how you look. You look
like a us D, A grade a suckerific self, and
I don't think that's what you're trying to do in a.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Room like this with the real and so like.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
For your own sake, I'm just telling you right now,
stop listening to that song.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
That's that's what is you about? What type of nigga
is you?

Speaker 6 (44:56):
One the two questions that'll make a nigger ankles like
to shiver at the knees.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
A woman asking what type of nigga is you?

Speaker 1 (45:05):
And that question is one thousand rhetorical because you did
something that shows us are already made.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
There's no answer that he could have given me. What
are you about? That's crazy? What do you stand for? Again?
Listen to the film what do you stand for? UGK
is out here? You playing that? Wow? Yeah? Yeah, I
hate it. But I think one thing I want to

(45:36):
one thing I want to bring.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Up, because I've not seen a lot of people discuss
this is there's been a lot of people talking about
these lawsuits are going to be a big part of
his legacy. And what I want to point out is
these are unwinnable lawsuits in a country with the First Amendment,
and the lawsuits are not going to be his legacy.
But consider what his legacy is going to be when
the defamation lawsuit about someone calling you a pedophile is dismissed.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Oh, I do think he just his legacy is very
much so stamped by these lawsuits.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
But when they're but when the lawsuits don't, like again,
when they throw your lawsuit for defamation out of court
and say no, actually, like, I just I don't think
people are understanding how like these lawsuits. The people arguing
for Drake thinks these lawsuits are going to go to
court and that there's gonna be a dossier unveiled that
proves that Drake is a victim. These lawsuits are not

(46:31):
going to court. That is not how this country works.
That is definitely not how universal works. So again, consider
what it's going to be like on the internet when
the United States government says, no, your lawsuit for defamation
about being called a pedophile is dismissed.

Speaker 6 (46:45):
He took thet he tried to devalue the numbers, probably
understanding lawyer's probably told him it's not gonna go to court,
and it just made him.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
It devalued him. The pedophile lawsuit is the second lawsuit
the numbers.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
But well, let me let me ask you this because
you just hit on something I wanted to get to
about this, and I know that, well, Guardy here is a.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Little younger, but us us old oldest.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Cats over here. Maybe we're the wrong people. Maybe I'm
like I'm asking people too close to me. But I
raised the question on Twitter the other day where I
was like, hey, man, when did people really start caring
about sales in a discussion of something like who your
favorite rapper is and those things like when did the
numbers matter in making your case?

Speaker 3 (47:31):
And so I bring that up in this case where
who cares what the stream numbers were? Right? Like that?

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Like that goes to Thomas point that you just can't
believe that that many people enjoyed calling you a sucker
around the world. But in the end, all this comes
down to is how did you feel, brother, when you
heard that shit for the first time? Like it took
me ten fifteen years to understand Na's one against Jay
because of the way that he made Jay Field the

(47:59):
first time heard either and then that dude was on
the radio crying about it? Right? How did you feel,
Drake when you heard meet the grams? How did you
feel when you heard you for you? How do you
feel when.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
You hear wh wh wh wh Why? How did you
do them?

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Numbers ain't got nothing to do with that. This is
about what's going on right here. This is on the
ground situation, and we're telling you you lose.

Speaker 6 (48:24):
It and when you hurt and how you respond, that
shows who you are. When you took an ass whooping
and how you respond, that shows who you are at
the core. And your ass called the law if you
take an ass when I'm never listen, have y'all ever
seen a nigga that ass whoop and you thought that
nigga was a sucker. No, if I see a nigga
that ass whoop, if he acted, if he took that

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motherfuck in a particular way, respect you. You ain't gonna
win every fight, but if you ain't a bitch when
you get your ass whoop, I'm gonna respect you after
it because if a fight comeing some shit, I respect that.
If you take an ass whooping and then you called
a law, you a bitch. It's not that you got
your ass wolf it's how you responded.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
To get your ass wolf, and we're seeing who that
nigga is? He called he talking numbers, He talking numbers.

Speaker 6 (49:09):
Numbers where like you said, what and what where did
the numbers matter in this equation? And then this is
not involved numbers, nigga?

Speaker 2 (49:18):
And then the next day, by the way, I'm not
a pedophile, broke about the numbers.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Just also.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Bro, and like I said, like I said, it comes
back to me just just asking him again, what do
you gain here? Like say, the save this ship did
go to trial, there was discovery made that there was
some juice. And of the numbers, what does it mean
if not like us had seven hundred million true streams
instead of a billion?

Speaker 3 (49:43):
What does that fucking count?

Speaker 9 (49:44):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (49:44):
What does that matter?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
No one is gonna remember the streaming numbers when we
look back on this. We were gonna remember how we
felt we heard this ship. We don't remember how it
dominated the whole summer. That's what we're gonna remember, bro.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Period.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
All the why we wanted to have this discussion at
first is just talking about the year that Kendrick had, right,
and I can't remember we haven't done a show since
this started, right, I think, like, I haven't come on
y'all show about this. This is my big thing, and
I guess December is almost here, so we'll see how
it goes.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
I'm not being hyperbolic when I say this.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
If this were back in the day and this what
I'm about to say mattered the way that he did,
I would think that unquestionably the twenty twenty four Time
Magazine Man of the Year has been Kendrick Lamar Like,
I think that, and I know why somebody would think
that this is being dramatic. I'm not even a big
Kendrick fan, Like I really don't. I really don't like Drake,

(50:34):
but I'm not a Kendrick devotee in that way. But
not like us. After it came out, almost everything felt
influenced by it. The Democratic Party started off run of
the Kabla Harris campaign basically would not like us as
being the theme, right, there's some problems with that, just
to be clear, Like it's a little bit of a
fascistic sort of tape when you really think about it,

(50:55):
but not like us change the world. It is to me,
the first instant class that there's ever been. This thing
was a classic in twenty four hours. Like the fact
that now you could put a song out and a
DJ could run it in the club that night, but
the fact that people got to the club that night
and already knew the song.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
He dropped the shit at.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Like nine or ten o'clock Easter time, and if you
spun it at one, by then everybody knew the song.
It was knocking all over the country the night that
it came out, and it stayed, and it stayed in
the state. And then you had that concert where he
did the song five times and it stayed and it stayed.
And now we're five months past that, almost six months

(51:35):
past that concert, it still matters. It went back in
the top five again. After this boy dropped his lawsuit
and he dropped the album. It didn't even get clue
to joint.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
So he ain't trying to run no numbers up on
that motherfucker. He left that shit by hisself.

Speaker 6 (51:51):
Well, he didn't even mention Drake's name, and when he
would try to mention Drake's name, he blinked it.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
He would like he would, you know, mute the shit.
But see, that's where I think a flaw in the
lawsuit is.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Apparently, if it's true that you have this option where
you can opt in and take a lower royalty to
get a bigger blast on it, right, which seems to
be with Drake is alluding to with the thirty percent
thing in the paperwork. But Kendrick and his people had
the option of opting into this. One thing we know
is that he would. You know, I don't know the
particulars on this, but he did whatever it was that

(52:20):
allowed people to use his songs on YouTube to break
it down and everything else. This isn't a money play.
It is totally in the realm of possibility that Kendrick
was like, no, put this in front of everybody. I
want everybody to hear this. He wanted to destroy you.

Speaker 6 (52:39):
It hates that's hey, you thought it was a boxing
match with referees. Y'all was in the street, fuck nigga. Yes,
no gloves, no rules. I do not like you. Fuck
you do you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
You thought y'all was.

Speaker 6 (52:53):
Gonna shake hands after the twelve rounds, Bitch, I'm fighting
you with.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
This is to the death. Fucking you know what? He
hit the street. He thought it was thriller, right, Maybe
it was.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
Gonna be some ghosts out here, but we were just
going dance.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
No, sir, it was beat it.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
You gotta right.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Fought a short dude from Compton Centennial High School before Brook.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
It's like Drake's Drake's whole approach during that battle was
was you're not on my level.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
You're not the rapper that I am. And Kittricks whole
ship was fuck that level. Ship. You shouldn't even be
here period.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Here.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
You shouldn't be doing the same thing I'm doing. Tears
levels would ever be Damn. I don't give a fuck
if if you don't view me as as being as
good of a rapper than you, I view you as
someone who shouldn't be a rapper period.

Speaker 6 (53:43):
You shouldn't be in the same room as me. We
are different, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (53:48):
He would to vote for Trump to get about the country.
You gonna call that's all Drake love b Gray.

Speaker 6 (53:58):
Yeah, nasty, nasty, nasty bro like I've just I've never
seen anything Security tip line on himself.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
It is I I am not a vengeful person.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
I'm just not built like that.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
I just don't care, right, I wish I was a
vengeful person so that I could fully appreciate how satisfying
this has to be for him in his destruction. Right,
people say crazy stuff with Bobby, like there are people
who hate, like I have real live haters, right, Most

(54:35):
people talk all that noise they got. I live at
Harlem Man, every teach shirt about the haters and all this.
Ain't nobody thinking about you. I have actual haters. I
have people who are actually out to get me, who
have tried to like ruin my career.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Thank god none of them could rap.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Like I think of it, like, like, I just imagine
all the time that what if these people I've been
arguing with in various places and all this stuff, Like
somebody's made a diss record about but you can find
it on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Thank god he can't wrap because I just can't imagine
what it's like. I gotta tap it. Hell man, it's a.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
Kansas City Chiefs fan. I don't know what he was
mad about. Like this is the pre Mahomes Chiefs. I
don't know what he was mad. I think it's called
funck Bowaddy Jones. You weren't giving Alex Smith enough credit
for his taste. I think that's what I think it
may have been. That year they started off like tend
and oh or something like that. But I was like,
funk out of here, right, Alex Smith. But it's got
like the it's got the Florida State Joint in the

(55:31):
beach is somethimes mistaken?

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Thank god he couldn't rap.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
One of the reasons we wanted you on, and I
told the group chat, is that I think it would
be an interesting perspective to have for someone who was
never really that high on Kendrick, because you have if
you just submitted yourself, yes, his twenty twenty four. I
think it's an all time great year for a rapper,
may be the greatest ever. Yeah, and and and I
feel like and I feel like it was so important
for him to drop gn X in that context because

(56:06):
a lot of them they say, like, how can you
say that's an old time great year when we never
got an album?

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Well, you can't say that anymore. We got gn X, right, and.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
So so I'm just curious, like, has the year that
he had, you know, for someone who was who admitted
he was lukewarm on him, I see like risen in
in your rankings and and your you know how you
view on all.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Right, It's the first thing I want to touch on,
like I wasn't loop warm on him. Actually, Like I
looked at my stack of records, I got like three
or four Kendrick records like physical Yes, So so.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
I'm a little more into it apparently that I had
even given him. I like I got the untitledtle Master.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Maybe I was a little yeah, yeah, like mag got
a little more into him than I had given myself
credit for on it. But you made an interesting point
in people saying, well, it can't be his year because
he didn't have an album. And I am beginning my
old campaign to get us to stop looking at things generally,
but music specifically with this kind of checklist sort of Outlook,

(57:05):
what happens is, I've been reading these books about this stuff,
so forgive me get a little nerdy Ino my Neil
Postman space. But once we were able to quantify things,
we then got to a place where, instead of using
the quantification as a tool, to quantifying became a requirement.
So then it becomes if you don't do X, Y
and Z, then you can't do it, which which basically
robs us of our independence as thinkers and evaluators and

(57:27):
forces us to just become box checkers. Right, we're just
like checking the cars as they go past. We don't
need him to put out an album for this to
have been his year, right, we don't need like, we don't.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Need him to say that.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
You can't tell me anybody has had an impact on
both rap and the world this year, like Kendrick Lamar period.
You can't do it. Let's and let's say the only
things he had put out and it was no gn X.
Let's say the only things that he put out were
that burst on like that six sixteen in lamphor you

(58:00):
meet the grams and not like us.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Already.

Speaker 6 (58:05):
Like I said, if I told you going off the vibes,
we see how it's affecting things.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
You know what I'm saying. We got to get somebody.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
If somebody put out an album with those five songs
and people farting for the rest of them were still
saying that this is like an all time impactful sort.
It was like that Houdini album that had five minutes
of funking friends and all that, like four major smash
impactful sorts of hits.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Yes, this is his year.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
I don't know who you pulling out at number two,
my old ass, you're probably pulling out somebody I've only
heard of, right, dog, I think a year.

Speaker 6 (58:37):
Bro, And her record was good, like I was. She
went up to charge as far as like one of
the coldest bro. You know what I'm saying, Like you
know what I'm saying, like for real.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
But what it is about it, there was a lot
of me right now, bro with me about her is
why I dig it is this? It's how does that
ship make you feel?

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Like? Deep down, all this stuff comes back to, like
how did all of this make you feel? Whatever it is?

Speaker 4 (58:58):
And with Kendrick, even if you eight what he did, Drake,
you gotta acknowledge nothing Drake did this year other than
be a sucker affected people on the other side. What
Kendrick did stand in tall affected people over there right now.
For me with the rankings, I was thinking about this
and like what it is that makes somebody like a

(59:18):
goden Sea or something like that for me? And it
also again falls in line with my desire. And I've
made these mistakes in the past. I've just changed my
outlook about this stuff about using metrics and there's this
thing or whatever that goes on, like you know, you
boys be riding hard for Lebron James patting the stats
on the back end, and I'm like, cool, but it
ain't never felt like it felt in ninety two, like
there are things that happen and you're not You're not

(59:42):
gonna make a case.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
And I made a point. I did south By Southwest last.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Year, and I was talking about the Lebron Jordan thing,
and I was like, look, you could present this case
all you want, but the reality is I was there
for the other stuff, and your case is not overriding
the fact that I was there to a degree for
Kendrick as good as he is and technically how good
he is, and I could point to all the things
he does well and it's this whole range of.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Skills and he does great storytelling.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
And you know, I ain't really into this Ouiji board rap, right,
these motherfuckers with these decoder rings trying to figure this
shit out like I had like this, I'm making all
these videos. You trying to work that fucking hard. I
got a job, right, you know, Like that's that's not me.
I appreciate the straightforward nature of this album, for example,
but that's just not me. But in the end, ice
Que from nineteen eighty eight to nineteen ninety two. You

(01:00:27):
go back and listen to Straight out of Compton, and
at least for me, there's nothing Kendrick Lamar has done
that feels like Q made me feel listening to Straight
out of Compton. That's not not if The worst thing
I ever say about Kenrick Lamar is he's not ice Ce.
I'm not saying a terrible thing for him, right, But
where I would say that this in my world would
elevate him on a list if.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I was doing it is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
What he's doing is so moral, right, Like, this is
what I believe, This is what I think rap should be,
And at this point in my life, standing on a
belief is more important than anything else. I don't believe
that this dude belongs here. I don't believe that the
way he and other people in this industry are comporting
themselves works. I'm gonna change that all by myself, and

(01:01:14):
not even am I gonna do that. I'm gonna put
out work that does that, that makes the point and
hits like a hammer without being unnecessarily preachy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
That's hard to say.

Speaker 6 (01:01:25):
Fuck everybody that's on my body. It's not preaching, nigga,
that's standing on something. You know what I'm saying, standing
on something, you know, and that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
To me is as unforgettable in this And as I
look around and in a time where people I have
the hardest time find of something to believe in, and
everything gets more and more flimsy, one man stood on
his own square and said, Nah, this shit does matter.
It's supposed to matter, and if nobody else want to

(01:01:53):
act like it matters, I'm gonna act like it matters
that core of my soul, and.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
That against the biggest rapper in the world, sure, and
him in his own game as well, like I'm gonna
go to you. I'm gonna play away game with this
Bob ship and cook your ass by forty nigga, you
know what I'm saying, Like like, that's crazy, that's crazy,
that's crazy. But yeah, I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Make it impossible to stand next to you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
I'm gonna make it such that anybody that rides with
you at this point looks like a sucker. There is
no neutral, there is no middle that you see. That's
and that's what you make with de Rosen where I'm
saying you ain't have to go to the video and
kids like, no, there ain't no middle dog period.

Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
You with me or you not anybody that sympathizes them.
He called Snoop out, and Snoop said, yeah, it was edibles.
You know what I'm saying, the most conflict of first
man on the planet. I mean, always been conflict a verse.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
You know what I mean, for so long time and
become a lifestyle. I guess you know what I'm saying,
right right, But yeah, like he called, this is like
we talked, but this is the last part.

Speaker 6 (01:03:01):
This is the man that on stage handed Snooped the
throne and he even said, yo, my Boyoop Kendrick. Yes,
Snoop handed kidd of the throne. And we saw Kendrick
crying that ship. We were emotional watching that. And he
still was like, Yo, it's one side of the other,
you know what I mean. Hey, that's standing on some ge,
like standing on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Something bro like on whacked out murals like he's legitimately
confused that little Wayne didn't reach out to him to
congratulate him on body bodying his protege. He was like
bro like like like like like, I don't get any
any dapts for for murdering your man.

Speaker 6 (01:03:36):
You know what I'm saying, like, it's whatever though he
said it's whatever though you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Cool, you know we're moving on from.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
That because and you know why Kendrick felt that it
was Wayne, because he was like, steep down, Wayne, I
know you a real nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
You knew that this was a bad you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Know what I'm saying, And I expected to see that
real nigga side of you right there, like that was
his angle there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Bro have we heard from Charlamagne yet? By the way,
that's actually the person I'm most curious about.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
He called it six months ago that Trake was gonna suit.
Did you have for him talking about that? Don't let
no white comedia talk about black women. I assumed that
that was about Andrew Schultz and that was.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Referenced like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Yeah, academic said, and adults back and said, is he
too woke to to catch a joke? And yes, but
the person he was getting all with, whoever, rides with him,
like you can't, like, why are you not checking that comedian?
That's what that that's law means. It means you need
to buy about the cold.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
When very curious how that was received because it was
a very fair question.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
M Hm, well, we have got from the chat that
as much as everyone is happy to see but many
and hopes he comes on more, that Shola is the
MVP of the pod today.

Speaker 6 (01:04:50):
Yeah, boyd, I'm stared at his head like damn, ain't
a nickname?

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
You know what I'm saying? That would like chilling chilling,
And I was worried because let it get good rants off.

Speaker 6 (01:05:05):
You know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, I'm about this
motherfucker yelling to it. I broke a little sweat for
a second, nigga, you know what I mean. It's a
new hat nigga almost sweating my ship out. God damn
you feel me? But anyway, yeah, but yeah, thank you show.
He's sleep still sleep, Jackson.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Do we have anything else for the chat? Le Let's
talk g and X bro. That was the main reason
about So, so what's interesting about gn X is I
am in like, don't love with gn X. Okay, so
let's let's talk about it. Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
So I I tried my best to listen in a
lot of different places and spaces, right and I live
in New York, so I don't have a car, so
that kind of affects this. But I had multiple people
call me and be like, oh, this bad Boy was
mixed with a car. I played this at my house
with my ridiculously expensive sound system for lex and man,

(01:05:57):
it sounds amazing, like like like it did that. The
flex was really dermane to the point they just how
it is a very West Coast album, right, like, very
robotic funk like it's it's a regional album. At least
it feels like here at a time where people don't
make regional albums.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
I think that's really cool.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
Again, as I told you, I don't really like the
coder ring rap, and so I refuse to do that, right.
I appreciated that I didn't need to do that to
enjoy this. I thought that he came pretty straightforward with
everything that he was.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Saying, and it was there. Then were little buddies he
brought in from l A. I loved him. I thought
they stole the show.

Speaker 6 (01:06:36):
Nigga Hey, certain songs. I'm I'm like, uh, what's the joint?
Hey now say now? Hey, I can't wait to ship.
I can't wait till Dirty Dorty verse. What's the niggah
lefty lefty gun play? He just had that little shit,
but I needed it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
I needed it crazy play with the ninety three games,
dass name, I love it.

Speaker 8 (01:07:00):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Off head off.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
I thought I thought they was cool, right, I thought
they was cool, But I think they're probably for me.
Like I love Squabble, I really like like whacked out.
Urt Mules is a great song to start with. I
like Squabble up a lot. I could do without the
Luther Bad Joe's joint. You know, I see Man in
the Garden, Man of the Garden. I rock with Reincarnated.
Is it's too Dacota. It's a little too decoterie Dakota

(01:07:26):
rat for me. I mean, there appears to be a
verse about John Lee Hooker. Nobody asked for that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Just be Tupac.

Speaker 6 (01:07:32):
I don't need I don't need you to be Tupac.
What was the woman he's talking about in the second verse?
Who was the woman he's talking about? Thought billy because
an overdose was probably I thought it was Billy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Like TV off is nuts. I really like Peokaboo. Uh Gloria,
I thought like Gloria just took I I used.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
To love her.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
It just rendered it completely and totally absolutely like we
don't we don't need that song anymore. Gloria has replaced
that for your I love hip hop metaphor like that's yeah,
we we don't, we don't need that. But for what
it is, I thought it went and it felt good,
right like I often feel like Kendrick. It's not a
really good time listening to Kendrick. It's just he doesn't

(01:08:17):
make fun music, doesn't he doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Damn was fun. Section eighty was fun. Good.

Speaker 6 (01:08:23):
Cat mass City was good. But it hurt my soul
to listen to you know what I'm saying, uh a butterfly.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
He was depressed. Yeah, you said what damn is not? Fundamn?
Damn to me is fun. I thought I love Damn.
I thought that was not.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
I think it had tracks that bang. But the maadically
it's very you know, like I say, Kendrick sound like
he went to a church.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
It ain't got windows, you know what I mean? Like
he just progic brother. He was at the coat the
woman couldn't wear.

Speaker 6 (01:08:56):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
We we we make all the music ourself, right, but no,
But I nugget and I think the quality that stands
out to me on it is he seems very aware
of his own importance, Like there is a gravity and
authority in his voice, like when whacked out murrals. He

(01:09:17):
is speaking like a man who knows everybody wants to
hear what he has to say. Not just I'm the
coldest dude in the world, but like, hey, people have
been wondering what I think about this stuff, and I
got them right here directly in front of me. So
it almost has like a poetry slam kind of feel.
And I don't mean that as an insult, but I
mean that with the intimacy with which he has this

(01:09:38):
because he knows that he has pulled everybody. Like the
trick of doing this right is you either make yourself
loud so you can reach the people in the back,
or the ones that are real beast are the ones
that could bring the audience right there to your face
and you could talk to him in that level tone
and they directly in front of you. And I think
that he was approaching it with the confidence of a
man who knows that everybody is right here in front

(01:09:59):
of him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Yeah, you know, I think that this battle, Okay, I'm
for one, I'm firmly on the side of on the
you can call it conspiracy theory side or whatever, that
there's some more there's another album coming, you know, for
all the absolutely no question.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Yeah, he did drop a visual which was one of
your guys's main arguments for.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Yes, yeah, a vinyl two D yeah, bro. The visual
that he dropped to the promo. Gn X has a
song that's not on the album. There's there's another old
school in that besides the GNX. It looks like a
Capriest maybe. And of course, you know, like like I mentioned,
like I mentioned Heart six, he never puts hearts the
hearts on his albums, right so. But and a big

(01:10:41):
reason why I think that we have another album coming
is because it feels like with every album Kendrick dropped,
he had something to say, and I don't feel like
he necessarily has something to say on this album. This
album was him just a certain you I'm really that
motherfucker in case y'all forgot you know what I mean,
That's what it felt like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
It felt like he was empty.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
And the clip on that before he really locked in
and went and went you know, studio album mode.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Which is more fun than Dakoda ring albums. Like I mean,
his last album was like that was made for the moment.

Speaker 6 (01:11:10):
I respected it. I thought it was good. But it
was more art than you know, than like than you
know it was. It was made with a focus on art,
you know what I mean. Like I wasn't necessarily supposed
to have fun listening to that, you know what I mean?
But this one, this one is section eighty are the
two fun fun albums And I haven't felt like this
listen Kid, your album since section eight.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
But go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
We know that there is going to be an album
because Kendrick Lamar isn't stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
He's about to do the super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Now in Rihanna do an album coming off the super Bowl, No,
because she's never gonna do another album.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
She's still draws.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
There's no way in the world that they start in
this whole new company and have the biggest stays that
the world could ever provide. Like like I said, he said,
I said, he ain't cared that much about the money
of on all this other stuff. I ain't saying that
he turned into a comedy. No, no, no, no no,
there's coma a Buddy Bagan opportunity. It's not Comrade Kenny

(01:12:11):
out here. There's not Kenny gets announced. They gonna Drake
does stress this out. He's gonna announce a tour probably
after that super Bowl and they gonna be dancing on
his head for nine months.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
All around the world total and Lemundo.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
That's that's also another reason I believe the albums coming, because,
like you said, if you've got eyes on you during
the super Bowl as an as a musician, you better
drop some new music, like like you are leaving millions
on the table if you don't. Like we saw last year,
Beyonce dropped after Ushers just because she was going to
be in the conversation with that man, like we were
gonna see that Usher show and be like Usher and
Beyonce last of the din Breed.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
It's just those two. And Bed was like, yup, y'all
are gonna be talking about me. Here's an album. Let
me cash out here too, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
So so yeah, But back to what you were saying
about how it feels like he is someone who embraces
how much he means it's it's something. It feels like
it's because if you look at like, if you look
at the trajectory of his albums, he's battling with Savior
complex on so many of those yep, And it feels
like on mister Morales when he said, Yo, y'all can

(01:13:15):
have that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
I'm never trying to do that shit again.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
And it looks like the ship, the aspirational shit he's
on right now, isn't prosperity gospel. If you hustle as
hard as me, you can have what I have. It's bro,
Just be yourself, bro, Just be genuine, Just be loyal
to the roofs that you came from, and shit'll you
know work out for you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
That comes with that, you know what I mean? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Well, yeah, I think the battle of making, the battle
into authenticity versus artifice to get a little decoderate that
was the smartest shit he possibly did, because, like y'all said,
it took away every every punch Drake had the ability
to throw.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
And I I BO brought up an.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Interesting point on Twitter and earlier about when did numbers
come into the conversation so heavily, because that is the easiest,
most artificial sit out there right, which ironically is what
Drake's lawsuit is attempting to prove. Is like, oh, the
numbers actually don't mean that much. I'm curious. I'm curious
for y'all's take on that. When do you think that

(01:14:11):
became such a big part of the conversation, right, I
would go, I would go a little earlier to eminem Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
I actually think that that was Eminem was I don't know,
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
So I think that like the inflection point where this
starts going upward is really around like ninety seven, when
you get no limit where quite honestly, them dudes is
making so much money that people kind of felt like
they had to respect it, and so they started making
the cover of the source and all of this stuff,
and you know, you say something about how master pk
Rap master P got all this money, right, and now
everybody cats are doing songs with them that before when

(01:14:46):
this whole thing was based on how good you're supposed
to be, you rocking with that, right. So then I'm like,
I feel like the CEO entrepreneur era of rap kind
of builds up to it. I think people in talking
more with people about it, I think they write make
the point it really crested with two thousand and seven
graduation versus Curtis, and it really became a battle about
who could sell more, and that is the way that

(01:15:08):
people got behind their faults. And then after that it
gets you to the streaming era, where there's a whole
different level of data that's available and that everybody can
look at on any given day.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Right that you could go to the Drake page. You
can see how many millions of people have streamed this?
How many you know? And Kendrick, you know, you could
go do all of that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
Like I got a buddy who had a track that
got streamed a billion times. He said he made like
fifteen dollars off of that, but he had a track
that stream like a literally a billion times, right, And
so I think that's really when it got there. I
just can't imagine how you feel about my favorite rapper.
Ain't got nothing to do with me. Like Anderson Pock

(01:15:45):
is my dude, that's my favorite person working today. I
got no idea how much, but he sold on anything.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
No true, yeah, everything he touches fot Oh you know
that you feel what I'm saying, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
I think there's a pretty extensive history of rap fans
caring about numbers and rappers themselves caring about And I
was like, we heard motherfucking you know EPMD. Thirty days
later the LP would go to what you're saying. You know,
what I mean, like that was fucking eighty eight. But
I think when the conversation shifted with rap fans where
a lot of them went on the angle of most

(01:16:16):
numbers means the best rapper, I think that happened with
Drake because I think that you know, like I said,
Drake had a fifteen year run as the top guy
in the game, regardless of how you fill bottom, regardless
of if he's you don't think he was the best
during that era. He was the top guy during his era,
right Like he was the most sought out after feature.
He was the dude was gonna do the most numbers
whenever he dropped. He was the top guy. And when

(01:16:39):
we were coming up, you didn't need to do the
most numbers to be the top guy. Like like in
two thousand, fucking Nelly did four million Country Grammar jay
Z did a million with the dyning with with volume.
Three of us were like, oh, Nelly took the crown
from j You know what I'm saying, Like like, like,
Jay's not the top guys. It is though, but but

(01:17:00):
I'm sure I'm sure Saint Louis.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Yeah, let's be fair. Let's be fair to Jay here.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
I think Jay actually sold like three million with that record,
But your point is still correct that Nelly was not
gonna sell his way. Even when Jay was like all
the dudes movie units, M, Pimp Juice and us, we
wasn't really thinking too much about the pimp Juice fellow.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Like we were like, you know, good for you. You know,
I like I say, I like I like Nellie with
the melodese right, like you making me dance. He's making
me way in my head with Delly, right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
But I actually think though it's fun to try to
pinpoint when Drake became number one, because I've been saying
that fifteen year thing too, But in twenty ten, he
was not bigger than Kanye West, right, Like, nothing Drake
did was as big as my beautiful, dark, twisted fantasy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
Even in twenty thirteen when Jesus came out to me
it was a bit of a flop. But nothing Drake
was doing hit the world with the impact of Yeesus
or even even Life of Pablo.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
I I would say this, there's also a bit of
a bit of promotion in artistry that Yay put into
a shit that Drake didn't, You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
That kind of made a bigger deals fair.

Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
I would say in two thousand or nine, I remember
being in the being in the gym working with my
buddy Jabbar working out, and it was like, for a
twenty minute period was to listen to the radio, there
wasn't more than one song that was played without Drake,
Like it was at least every other song, like he
had encapsulated the like general music in ways, it was

(01:18:29):
either he was his song or feature. He was on everything,
you know what I'm saying. So I feel like I mean,
I remember Jays saying men lie, women line numbers don't.
That's a lie because numbers can be manipulated, my niggers.
You know what I'm saying, Numbers lie all the fucking time.
You feel what I'm saying. But I do feel when
fans started talking about numbers was during Drake because they
were trying to prove some to us that we didn't

(01:18:51):
see with our eyes, you know what I mean. It's
kind of like analytics with basketball, well so and so
the the Lebron analytical of the Raptor analytics, Well, nigga,
I'm looking at the and I'm seeing this, and you
know what I mean, so I feel like they were
doing that type of shit. Numbers do matter to a degree,
you feel me, but not to the degree in which
people were making the matter when they're talking about Drake
being the goat, and you know, we see that now,

(01:19:14):
we see that there's niggas out there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Like you know, Kendrick ain't even chasing numbers. He's chasing
something totally different.

Speaker 6 (01:19:19):
You feel me, and and he proved with not like us.
If I wanted to, I could take your shit. I'm
just not on that type of shit. You feel what
I'm saying. So numbers don't matter, and they never mattered.
When you're talking to me about shit you start talking numbers,
I might walk away my at least my brain's gonna
my eyes gonna fucking glaze over, and I'm not gonna
pay attention with the fuck coming out of your mouth.
We ain't talking math, be talking art, bitch. You know

(01:19:42):
what I'm saying. We approaching it totally different, right Like
for me, I.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Still believe to this day to Karas One is the
best MC of all time.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
Now, my rationale behind this is something that is completely divorced.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
I don't want to say a traditionalists say it again,
are you a traditionalist?

Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
It's not so much about being traditionalist, but like I
have not really adapted the way that I look at
this or like what like the like if I had
to answer one question, like one core metric of it, right,
And so I'm kind of I don't want to say
separated for the commercialism of it, but I think it's easy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Like with jay Z, you start talking about the whole career, right,
and he talking about oh he did this, he did
this or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
But if you lined up every rapper that's ever been
against the wall and all you got is you. You
ain't got no beat, you ain't got no pencil to
make the beat, you ain't got no DJ behind you.
It is on you to captivate me and move me
and hold my attention. KRS one and that big old
boxing glove on his face will stand up and have

(01:20:42):
twenty thousand people in the alma his hand with nothing
but himself.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
You know what I mean? Oh God that knows catch
a fastball, nigga that knows could catch a fastball nigga.
But yeah, me and the homies.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Caught karens One at some like outdoor festival a few
summers back.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
He was just freestyle to your.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Points, still freestyling this day, freestyling with no beat. And
there was a bridge behind him. Like I said, we
were outside right open air venue. There was a bridge
behind him where a train started going by. And on God,
hand to God, I'm not lying. He was freestyling and
then he said, a yo train, blow your horn. The
motherfucker blew the horn. I promise you never seen no

(01:21:24):
shit like that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Right in touch with the universe.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
And I don't know how many records any of that stuff,
episode or whatever it is, Like I can make points
about the fact like he is the he is the
blueprint for like the righteous gangster, right, like all these
different phases like Cat's like Killer Mikee. For example, there's
a straight line from christ One to him. There's a
whole bunch of rappers that people don't think about it anymore.
There's like straight lines like rock Kim can be your guy,
your argument for jay Z can be there, your argument

(01:21:49):
for pot can be there, all of those things. But
for me, it really ain't got nothing to do with
how many records nobody sold, Like that's not how I
developed my opinion. To me that it's the thought process
of people who are not capable of independent thought and
need somebody else's justification to have the opinion that you got.
You can say your favorite rapper of all time was Redman.
You got an argument for it if that's.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
Who you think Red Man is. Literally Britman got busy, right.

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
But the cases that people make, at least when I
hear people talk about it now, are using rubrics that
won't work to make the case for somebody like him.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. You say that.

Speaker 6 (01:22:27):
Gee, Like I remember my one of my old g uncles,
like he always will talk about like this was like
when UGK was creat It's a nineties nigga, you know,
like this when music was fucking music, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
And I know that's some old ass nigga shit to say,
but it was just cooler then. It's different, just differ different.
It was different.

Speaker 6 (01:22:44):
And he was saying, you need to tap in with
this KRS one and and also them same type niggas
was you ain't got no scarface, you know what I'm saying.
Those are the two niggas. If you that I know,
you really really bout this. If you ask about KRS
one and you asking about Scarface. Oh, let me shut

(01:23:05):
the fuck up and listen.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
To what you got going on.

Speaker 6 (01:23:07):
And niggas don't really know that. And Redman's one of
them too. Redman is up there too. You can talk
about Redman. Okay, I'm gonna listen to you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
Phil D was.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
Selling millions of copies, telling these white people today was
going down if they an't get they shit right. Millions
of copies, and they got an argument for the best
album of the eighties and the best album of the
nineties prior to the Night, prior to the mid nineteen nineties,
prior to Big and Pot the consensus pick for the
greatest rap album of all time was it takes the
nation of millions to hold us back. You don't hear

(01:23:34):
anybody say that anymore, because it's like the whole discussion
starts with the nineteen nineties. I saw Chuck D the
Roots do a jam session every year before the Grammys. Right,
they's have a bunch of people fall through, do a
track or two. Chug D showed up for that bad
Boy and I had never seen public again to be live,
and I was listening to him do Rebel without a pause.

(01:23:54):
I'm not saying chug D's the greatest rapper of all time,
but I'm telling you ain't nobody better at rapping than
chug D. That was how I filed from being there
and hearing him in that moment to explain, Yeah, he
guess my vote for the greatest voice in rap history
on top two.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
He is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
He is like rap Marv Albert to me, like, bro,
you know what I'm saying, it feels like he's calling
games when he raps.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Like that's how good is once again back It's the
incredible Albert Dog you know, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
That whole song to me, that's like a top five
all time, Like Buzzo Bagdad is my number one, Taro
Dome is my number two. At every point, it's just like, hey, man,
I think y'all need to listen to him, like when
he he raps like somebody you're supposed to listen to
mm hm.

Speaker 6 (01:24:43):
And you're saying, Kendrick's kind of arror like that how
he's been rapping out like somebody that niggas need to hear.

Speaker 4 (01:24:47):
He's starting to have that that gravity is there, right,
and that's why I like, That's why I like this record.
To me, it feels like stripping away like you talking
about ain't no double entendre. Yeah, man, we don't need
all of that, man, I don't need you to put
together some kind of puzzle. Okay, this all adds up
to forty four or some shit like that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Yeah, whatever, man, we don't need that. Strip that down.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
And I felt like more than ever on this album,
it's him standing on his two being like me and
my loathsome that's what matters here. I'm doing some local
jokers in here, I think she.

Speaker 6 (01:25:18):
Oh, go ahead, John, No, no, no, I'm just saying, like,
this is what Kendrick shit I said. I call it
toxic Kendrick, but it's really not necessarily toxic Kendrick. It's
Kendrick like KRS one. I'm standing on my motherfucking nuts.
This what the fuck I'm on?

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
This is me.

Speaker 6 (01:25:32):
This ain't no cute shit. I'm not trying to do art.
I'm giving you me, Nigga. You know what I'm saying,
and I love that. I love that, and I'm telling
you too, I am him. I'm not trying to like
pretend none of that shit. I am who you think,
oh I say, I am and he's standing on that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
I love that. I love that.

Speaker 6 (01:25:50):
I like when a nigga is letting you know who
the fuck he really is. You know what I'm saying,
don't let nobody play with your name.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
Bitch. That's standing on some shit. You feel me like,
I love that type of rap.

Speaker 6 (01:26:02):
That's where we came from, and that's what Kendrick kind
of stand on with this album in particular. That's where
you are with it. It's beautiful. It's beautiful to see
we ain't losing all the recipes. You feel what I'm saying.
You feel on somebody has on Twitter? How come Drake
can't see that dude that ppe on him? You remember
that time somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
Bro bro that's not even urban legend. There is footage
of t I talking about it like there is a confirmation.
What did t I say?

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
What he's saying, Yo, your t I your microphone just
to allow your t I like it takes you.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
To That's why he does not respect that's UMG man
called along, called along.

Speaker 4 (01:26:54):
I think just imagine Drake being out with t I
in his West Side frid and Drake walk out and
then he walked back in.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
He walked in with secure. It is like right here,
he's the one on It's Matt Boney. I believe he's
called And that's the thing.

Speaker 6 (01:27:11):
That's that's how you know he weird, Because if you
pee on a nigga, you gotta at least beat my ass.
You know what I'm saying, Like, Bro, if you peel
like bro, you peeing in gotail nigga, you gonna have.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
To beat my ass, bro, or you lear. I got
no evidence that he left. We're just sitting there with
a urine soap booth, just still.

Speaker 6 (01:27:35):
Enjoying the na going to tail somebody going to tail nigga?

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
Fuck you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
I think you guys were talking. I think this came
up the last time bo Is on too, just about
how different music in the world was in the nineties.
But I do think that's part of what is so
great about GNX to me is doing something like that.
Now it feels like it means more to me because
we haven't had a monoculture moment in music that I

(01:28:03):
like in a long time, and there aren't a lot
of people out there, to John's point, standing on their
own two feet saying this is me. There's no roll out,
there's no whatever, else. I feel like I wouldn't say
the degree of difficulty is higher than it was in
ninety two.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
It's still a you know, a guy and a microphone.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
But it does feel like I didn't know that we
would ever have a music moment like this again, Like
I didn't have a lot of faith that something like
this would happen with someone specifically standing on the type
of authenticity that Kendrick is. So that's my That's That's
been the biggest thing to me that I've enjoyed about
this album. It's just and from not like us and
everything else.

Speaker 6 (01:28:40):
As well, how it engulfed everything right, Like I was
running a track with Tyler Times.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Tyler Times put up telling me about it, then I'll
play it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:48):
I'm calling my I'm calling age or agent already got
that motherfucker own. I go to my Instagram. Everybody's posting that, bitch.
We are all enjoying it together. You know what I'm
saying in ways that we just haven't before. And I
said this, bro, like you know what I mean. I
don't necessarily need nothing before twenty twenty five. I'm here
with it, you know you know what I'm saying, Like, bro,

(01:29:09):
Like I'm cool, I'm busy, I'm here with it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
You know what I'm saying. This album feels like it's
connected to me in ways like when I was a shorty.
You know what I mean. I want to sit with
this motherfucker. It feels a particular way. Gee, you know
what I mean? All right? Well, Bo, we appreciate you
hopping on. Obviously. Everyone knows they can find bow everywhere
and you can.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
Find you know that the right time with Bomodi Joe
does on YouTube. We can't be out here at you
like getting arrogant.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
It's not a nigga, you know they say about assuming
you know, Joe check us out O M A M.
I for sure you can and everywhere else everywhere. You
think I'm just doing this to be nice, that man,

(01:29:57):
legal action.

Speaker 6 (01:29:59):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
But Sue Guardian, part of me, part of me, part
of me? Please? All right?

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Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
Bo. Thank you so much for joining me.

Speaker 4 (01:30:26):
No, I appreciate it absolutely, and the chat room says
that he did in effect storm out after he was
peed upon.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Oh that's ours. Yeah man, you didn't. You didn't just
finish out? The movie.

Speaker 6 (01:30:45):
Noted, are we were done? We were still long? Are
we still long to get the bike? Buy you don't,

(01:31:10):
Oh man, Josh waiting for the bike?

Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
My man.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
We was tweaking, We was tweaking.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
The volume

Speaker 6 (01:31:20):
H