November 6, 2024 • 42 mins
The guys react to the results of the 2024 Presidental Election between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris #volume
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The Volume.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome to jenis the Jones on the Volume podcast network.
It is Wednesday, November sixth, and this is gonna be
a little bit of a different episode. If you are
looking for an escape from politics, skip this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
this is not gonna be the come laugh with the fellas.
(00:34):
You know, we're all feeling I think I would say
shell shocked, but we're gonna talk about it. One thing
I think we've always done on the show is kind
of stay true to what we're all as friends actually
talking about and caring about. And obviously what we've been
talking about in the group chat is the election, and
we're going to jump into all that. But if you
want to not think about that shit, this was your
(00:55):
warning to skip the episode. Trigger warning if you will.
I guess, as always, Jenkis Jones, hosted by Dragonfly Jones
A K.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Tyler, Hey, everybody have the gun.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Jethro Jenkins, A K. John, I'm GUARDI b.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
A KA Mike fucking Mike.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
And we're produced, as always by the lovely and talented
Jackson Saffron.
Speaker 6 (01:23):
The second, we can't we can't, we can we can't
allow it.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
We can feel our feelings, you know, what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, I mean, so that's what I want to start with. Uh,
you know, Tyler and John, obviously the election went differently
than you know, all of us we're hoping it would
go all four of us as a Democratic voting blue
state residents. How are you guys feeling and what was
your reaction to last night? Was their surprise anger? You know,
(01:55):
how are you just like feeling? Just checking in with
the two of you right.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Now, I'm just I'm just tired, bro, Like like tired
in the sense of, yeah, I'm annoying, I'm fed up
all that, but I'm like legitimately physically and emotionally tired
at this moment. Like last night, when I saw how
shit was looking, when I saw that, you know, North
Carolina was gonna go Trump's way, when I saw Geordan's
gonna go Trump's way, I was like, bro, I'm just
going to sleep. And that was like twelve o'clock, and
(02:19):
y'all know I stay up till like fucking two three
in the morning, just on the regular, and I was
for sure playing on staying up you know, a little
later into the night to see how this went. But
once you know, Trump blocked those states, I was like, bro,
it's over, yeah, and it's just you're going to.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Sleep at midnight? Would be like, John, are going to
sleep at three pm?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Man, It's just you know, when when Trump won it
in twenty sixteen, it was it felt like it feels
way different than this. It feels like, Okay, y'all voted
for some shit. Whell y'all, don't you do not know
what you're getting into? Like that was kind of my
sentiment that I was like, y'all have no idea what
you just signed up for. But this one, they know
(02:56):
what they're signing up for. They are they are, They
know what they're signing up for. They know they're signing
up for all the bigotry, for all the hate, for
all the regressive backrolling of civil rights. They know they're
signing up for that, and they signed up for it enthusiastically.
Like Trump beat the shit out of Kamala about like
six million popular votes, right about like fifty electoral votes.
(03:16):
It wasn't even close. And it's like I said, bro,
I'm just tired.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
There was a part of me like during Trump's first
term and I was like, look like this is what
y'all want to do. Do y'all not see you know,
are y'all feeling a bit stupid for what you signed
up for? There was there was like that was like
my whole sentiment during that whole term. And then you know,
Biden came along. Biden beat him. And you know, I
thought all along that Biden was perhaps the best chance
to beat Trump because he was a seventy five year old, moderate,
(03:47):
tough on crime, white guy, right like like like, I
thought that was the type of candidate that you needed.
I was drinking the Kamala kool aid. After she took over.
It seemed like the her base was reinvigorator. Like all
the numbers said it. You know, they said that there
was so much enthusiasm behind her after he took the
after she took the keys from Biden, but it just
didn't translate to the polls.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Bro And you know, I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I mean, I feel like there's so many things that
we can point to as to why that didn't happen.
But the fact of the matter is the biggest story
here is this is what this country signed up for.
You can talk about the campaign that Kamala ran. You
can you know, nitpick at that. The fact of the
matter is this country decisively picked Trump and it's that simple,
(04:31):
and it's a and that's something that we're gonna reckon with.
That's something that we're going to have to realize that
this is a country that is right now and it's
as simple as that.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Bro twenty sixteen, I was like, it kind of felt
like that was going I was like, yeah, I don't.
I'm not as confident as everybody else is. I was
nowhere near as confident everybody else was. I was not
surprised when he was elected, you know what I mean.
I was questioning if Hllary was the person to beat him,
and I was so I didn't think people were too
as excited about her as they needs to be in
(05:01):
order to beat him. I saw how he was rallying
people and how excited a lot of motherfuckers were, and
I knew there was gonna be hell to pay for
electing Obama for eight years. Being an album from Missouri,
I remember I told you about this, driving through the
bootheel and seeing signs said anybody but Obama.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
You know what I'm saying. They were gonna make us
pay for that.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Type shit.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
But I thought, like Tyler thought, you know what I'm
saying that, Okay, you see what you're getting into now,
you know what I thought.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
In twenty twenty, people are like, Okay, we don't want that,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
We thought we want things to change, but we don't
want that. And that's what happened in twenty twenty. And
to see that people know exactly what's gonna come and
potentially you know, worse, and still voting for that, it's crazy.
It feels more personal this time, you know what I mean,
seeing the country go further right, losing the popular vote,
losing the popular vote first time since two thousand and four, right,
(05:52):
you know what I mean, Like, that's crazy. I mean
for me personally, Like I couldn't sleep last night thinking
about like, wow, like this is how to this?
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I mean, I know how to I'm a black man.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
I'm not you know, in any way falling for the
illusion of what America is, the brand that America was
pribor to twenty sixteen. I always kind of felt a
particular way about the country, you know what I mean,
But the popular voters will really hit me, and I
just feel like, you know, hey, I don't know what's
going to happen in the next four years and in
the future, because it seems like a lot of Americans
(06:26):
are disillusion about the Democratic Party in general being at Like,
you know, a lot of people just didn't show up,
just didn't show. Fuck it where that disillusion about her?
The Democratic Party?
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Whatever?
Speaker 6 (06:36):
But I know, I got to jump off the porch, nigga.
You know It's like I was telling y'all part of this,
you know, me having a daughter that has the same
makeup as Kamala, you know what I'm saying, And it
seemed like the country just said fuck her, anybody but her.
This nigga says so the wildest, dumbest shit. He didn't
seemingly nothing right, but he was speaking to a particular
group of people that love what he was saying, was
(06:57):
going to show up and support his ass, you.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Know what I mean. You know that felt personal particular way.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
So I know, for me to look her in her face,
you know, I can't just sit here and psuck about it,
you know what I mean, Like, I got to jump
off the porch and help me whatever way I can.
I just can't get involved every two years and post
a motherfucking voted sticker and shit, be sweet, it ain't
like that, nigga, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
So for me to look her in the eyes every
motherfucking day.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
I'm gonna have to fight this motherfucking shit and that's
what I will do, you know what I'm saying. So
anybody got to suggest it's in the chat whatever, you
know what I'm saying. Anyways that I could get out
here and get active, let me know, you know what
I mean, because I mean for me to be comfortable
these next four years, I'm going to have to be
doing something and working towards something like it's the shit
I believe in for sure.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I think I want to talk a little bit.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
You guys know, I'm overly have been overly invested, I
guess in political coverage for most of my life and
follow this stuff really closely. So I want to talk
briefly about what I see as having happened, and that
I want your guys' response.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
You both hit on the head.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
The number one thing to me that's just been sort
of cloaked over every thought I've had is the country
really picked this intentionally.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
And y'all mentioned.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
House popular vote electoral Nigga.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Y'all mentioned that the Republicans won the popular vote in
two thousand and four when George W.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Bush ran. George W.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Bush was running as a wartime president after the first
attack on American soil in seventy years prior to that.
The last time the Republican I mean, so you take
that out, the last time the Republicans decisively, Yeah, I mean,
it really has not happened in our lifetime. So that's
how big the problem is. And I don't think that
(08:38):
any problem can be fixed until you fully acknowledge what
has happened. So from my perspective, what happened was there
was a lot of conversation about what the electorate would
look like.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
There was a hope that if it was.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
More female heavy than male heavy, that would benefit her.
And what happened was black people showed up to vote
for Democrats. College educated white people showed up to vote
for Democrats, I think in a higher share than voted
for Biden and essentially every other and we're talking about
college educated people and black people is the entirety of
our podcast obviously, and I think the large majority of
(09:16):
our listenership as.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Well everyone else voted the other way.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
You know, you have a forty percent swing in the
Latino vote. Democrats didn't know if they had a chance
to compete nationally if there was like a ten to
fifteen percent swing you're talking about in some places.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Puerto Ricans swung thirty percent for Trump.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
After this, you know, there's all the coverage about people
being upset about the joke at the you know, his
rally that that idiot made and all that. So I
think we have a real reckoning man of there is
no national political coalition of black people and college educated
white people. It's not enough people.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
He got less votes.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
This year than he got in twenty twenty. To Tyler's point,
it looks like he's going to get a couple million
less votes, but.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
The Democrats got fifteen to twenty million less votes votes.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And the only hope I wouldn't even call it hope,
but it is a fact. And I think there is
something in there is I think we view politics and
elections through the lens that we see it in, which
is that we are all pretty politically engaged people. We
follow the news, we're interested, so we talk about it
with each other. Thirty five to thirty six percent of
(10:29):
people who voted yesterday said their top issue was the economy,
like I think it was eleven percent said it was abortion.
And there is just a huge percentage of people who
voted yesterday who do not follow politics, who are not
hearing Trump's generals say that he's a fascist, who're not
watching Kamala whoop his ass in the debate. The millions
(10:51):
of Americans googled yesterday, who oh did Joe.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Biden drop out?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And I do think and it showed up in the
exit polls that a huge part of this is people
who people only vote for this.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Stuff that affects them.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
And in twenty twenty, because of COVID, a lot of
people were affected by the fact that Donald Trump did
not know how to run a federal government. And a
lot of people over the last four years who don't
pay any attention to politics have been affected by inflation
and the cost of living. I know that's not sexy.
I know it's no one's favorite issue, in particular gas
and food. You know what I'm saying, which those people
(11:25):
are going to you know, but you can look at
the overlay they put up on CNN of counties that
were the hardest hit by inflation, counties that moved the hardest.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
To perform the right, even the blue ones.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, and so I do think I don't know what
the solution to that is, but I do think that's
the problem. And unfortunately, my suspicion is, as he was
president in twenty sixteen and then lost mid term presidential
election midterm, I suspect that the incredibly dangerous and reckless
(11:59):
shit he's talking about doing with the federal government is
going to affect a lot of people's lives. And then
we'll see if there's a fuck around and find out
moment for the people who voted on the economy. Even
if you just want to look at the economy, you
can't describe how devastating it would be to inflation and
cost of living if he actually imposes the tariffs he's
(12:21):
been saying he's gonna he's gonna impose. You can't even
describe walking into every store in America the day after
that happens and everything costs twenty percent more.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
I was talking to Jackson actual CEO speak speak to
a speak to it, speak to the saw.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
Video of the CEO of I think it was like
total food and wine or something like one of those
Bedmo type of like companies for the CEO, who has
no incentive to be honest about the prices. The CEO said,
Trump's tariffs, if an acted the way he described them,
will cause every single imported liquor that you buy the
store to have their prices increase.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
Period.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
That's what a terriff. That's what a tariff is.
Speaker 8 (12:57):
What a terriff.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
And he's gonna do it, and he's going to put
that on every car that we could buy.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
Every single anyone's ever bought.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
That's the thing about voting for the economy.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
How do you look at him, hear what he says,
and think I was to be honest when he said tariffs.
Initially I was kind of confused and did research immediately,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
I was like, Yo, what the fuck is this? You
know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (13:24):
And so like, how do you speaks a lot of
people just not doing that research, not hearing the things
he stops speaking to, just voting blindly like Biden, what
is the reason for this economy? I'm voting the other way,
you know what I mean. But if you look at
him speak about this for five minutes, how do you
think he's the person that is more equipped than her?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
And that's for five minutes though.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And that's just Yeah, it goes back to what you said.
A lot of folks just aren't economically informed. And you know,
I'm not saying that looking down on folks that the
economy is complicated as fuck. I think, yeah, yeah, I
think for a lot of folks, it was this simple
since two thousand and fucking twenty two or so, a
big mac meal is fucking fifteen dollars And it wasn't
like that when Trump was in office, even though Trump
(14:10):
inherited a very healthy economy and then drove that shit
off a cliff and we saw the ripping effects of
that during Biden's presidency, right, So I think that that's
what it came down to with a lot of folks.
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Speaker 2 (16:32):
Tyler, I especially want to ask you because living in Virginia,
you're obviously in a much more purple state, and I
know that the division between sides of the political divide
are there. Do you buy that argument that the data
is currently presenting that this is a lot of people
who are not engaged in the culture war of Democrats
versus Republicans that are just voting on Oh it's Biden's
(16:56):
vice president. Well he's the one who fucked it up,
you know this, dude, Like you said, you know, I
got the stimulus check or shit was cheaper when he
was president or whatever else. Do you buy that or
do you think that there's I mean, there's obviously everything
contributes when it's a loss like this, But do you
buy that as a big moving part of what happened here?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I guess I do think there is a very sizable
portion of the electorate that voted strictly on the economy.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I for sure believe that.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
But the overarching thing here, it's white supremacy, bro, And
we cannot escape that here. We cannot escape that. It
is you know, like we've always talked about what Trump represents.
Trump is, Trump doesn't exist without Obama. Trump was white
backlash for what was seen as black progress in this country,
you know, And it was that simple, like, you know,
for whatever issues you have with Obama's presidency, his ascension
(17:43):
into the presidency, sex book, he fucking you know, Ivy
League law school. President started out as a community organizer
in Chicago, worked his way up to Senate and you know,
and then ran for president, checked all the boxes of
how you're supposed to rise to the president. And you know,
I feel like Trump was just an example that white
(18:04):
people that that that racist who resented Obama got behind
because they were like, the rules don't matter for us, bro,
you know what I mean, like like that, and that
is what Trump has embodied.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
It's why he's steplin.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
It's why nothing he can do will ever sink his
his his candidacy is why he's a two time president.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
Now, is why he was bumbled into the presidency this campaign,
Like what did he if you could break it down,
what did he do that was right?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Well, just he.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Would just call into Fox News and rant as just
like I'm like, y'all, I'm a conservative, like he would
And when he started doing that, all the reporting is
he wasn't thinking about running for national office. He just
was like, oh fucking immigrant, Like, so you compare those
two paths to national prominence is exactly what Tyler's talking about.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
I just like what I feel like or not, like
I said, I said, I understand this.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
A lot of at one point Democratic odors are disillusioned,
you know what I'm saying with the party.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
You feel me they don't feel like the party speaking
for them.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
I feel like, you know, the Republicans know who the
fuck they talking to, you know what I'm saying. And
also it's like it's a very as far as how
the thoughts and ideas various, it's very tight, you know,
ours are you know, much more varying on this side.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
I think there has more.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
When we talked about white supremacy all that shit, I
think that has to be a different approach, Like there
has to be a total I mean, I don't know
how we garner excitement, you know what I'm saying, for
what's got what we got going on.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
But like.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
We talked about guys, you know y'all, I feel about
that ship, you know what I'm saying, Like it's it's been.
I wasn't truly happy about the things that were said
that were going to be done, and I wouldn't know
if I believed in it.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
I thought this was the best option. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
In that situation, I feel that, you know, Trump, Trump
going into power. Now I'm extremely frightened for what's going
to be going on all over there now, you know
what I'm saying. But I didn't know she was going
to be the person that really you know, fantasies fire whatever,
you know what I mean. But yeah, gee, I don't
I don't know how we garner excitement for this group.
(20:15):
I feel like it's a much more varying side.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
And I think it was.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
I think I saw something where I don't know if
this number was as correct. This was at some point
early in the day, I mean earlier in the evening,
but there are more independent voters than Democratic voters. Voters
independent generally leans towards Democrats.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
But I saw something like that. But I don't know.
I do think that's how to garner those people.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I do think that's too Tyler's It's like the Democratic
base showed up, the Republican base showed up. Everyone else
who is not engaged in this stuff but just is
voting on what's happening to them showed up. Not in
the way that we thought they show up. They showed
up for Donald Trump. I think I want to talk
about the white supreme point that Tyler's making. You know,
(21:03):
I've talked with shar some about Obama to Trump being
the a majority white country coming to grips with the
fact that it is not going to be majority white
for much longer. In nineteen seventy, America was ninety three
percent white according to its census. That number, I think
(21:24):
is like fifty three to fifty four percent now. And
there is no such thing historically as a country where
that kind of a change happens with no conflict. They're
just oh, okay, you know, this is just the sands
of time. But my kids are not white. Most of
the white people I know who have kids do not
(21:46):
have white kids. They have mixed rates kids, either with
black or with Hispanic, with Asian whatever else. And I
do think like that's why they're talking about deporting immigrants.
That's why they're talking about that stuff. They're fighting a
democratic change that's not fightable. There's nothing they can do
about that.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
And so that to me is the big.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Question mark because of what Tyler said there is white
people do have power, and white people do believe in
white supremacy. So what does that mean when that number
goes under fifty percent, when it goes to forty five percent,
when it goes to forty percent, because that is going
to happen and in our lifetimes. So I don't have
I don't have.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
An answer to that question.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
What happens.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And I'm not even suggesting it'll be good when it happens.
I'm not even suggesting. I'm not even suggesting that. I'm
just saying it is happening. And so I think to
your point, John, about we have to change what we're
looking at like that that change is happening. And so
the question is you get down to white people are
forty percent of the country, if they still control everything
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that looks really bad, that doesn't happen without it being
enforced in a particular type of way. So that that,
to me is that's the wheel of history that we
can all put one hand on.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Is what does that transition look like?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And how do we make it so that it doesn't
look like what happened yesterday? And I don't have an
answer to that question. But that's one of the biggest
things to me, trying to think about the scope of
our whole life and our kids' lives that I'm trying
to get my head around right now.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I mean, the thing about white supremacy is it's not
only white people who advocate for it. You know, we
saw the swing of Latino hotes this election because you know,
like I said, with white supremacy, like so many people
don't necessarily want to dismount to white supremacy. They want
to benefit from it the same way white people do. Right,
And you know, to John's question in regards to what
(23:44):
we do about that, I thought when Kamala first took
the keys and they came out with that weird messaging,
I was like, this feels groundbreaking because for so often
Democrats they just leaned on the side of hey, black
and brown people and gay people, we're people too, and
you should respect us.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
And then they pivoted.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
They went to, bro, you don't like people because of
their skin color, their sexual orientation, You're weird. And I
thought that was I thought that was winning messaging right there,
right because.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It it it it.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It felt like the Democratic Party was on the offensive
for like the first time in decades to me. But
but yeah, it's it's you know, like Mike said, it's
for sure, the the the GOP scrambling because they this
country is becoming less and less white and they're their
voting base is fucking you know, ninety five percent white
(24:34):
or what have you, and dog and it's it's just
I don't know, I don't know how you combat it, because,
like I said, it's not just white people who are
carrying the torch for it.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Well, and I think if you had said that after
two thousand and eight, Republicans doubled down on winning over
Latino votes, you'd say that was pretty shrewd.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
There's the fastest growing part of the country.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
There are in communities, mind, some natural tensions between black
people and Hispanic people, and Republicans are going to try
and exploit that, and they're going to be the party
of you know, doing of trying to serve that community.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
But I feel like they've done the opposite of that.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
They didn't what they what do they speak to that
would make you think that they would have won Latino vote?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Right, Like his first speech, his first speech, he's referring
to all so he's referring to Mexicans as rapists and criminals,
and so, you know, to Tyler's point, I do understand.
And I think actually, in some ways, even though it's
a larger wave of immigration, the Mexican wave of the
wave of immigration specifically from Mexico does sort of mirror
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the waves of Europeans of coming over being othered but
seeking power by trying to assimilate into whitehood, right into
into whiteness.
Speaker 8 (25:49):
So I do no.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I was just gonna say so.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
But what's what concerns me is again, I don't feel like.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Their party swarded that vote. It just came to them.
And that's very.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
I agree. And I was talking with John about this before.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
I wish I had saved the name of the or
the video, or that I could quote the actual person
who was saying this, But I just I was seen
watching a video before we started about a Latina political
analyst on some network talking about this this big ship
Latino and she was saying that with a lot of
people that she's spoken to and a lot of like
research she's done about the Latino community, is that we
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are now at a point because immigrations has not it's
not new that immigration Latino countries has come into this country,
that we are generations into that. So there are people
who have been born and their parents were born in America.
So those people, for whatever reason, not necessarily right or wrong,
don't associate themselves and their ethnic heritage, ethnic identity with
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this idea of what Trump is talking about, that those
Mexicans are rapists. They're like, that's not us. We're Americans.
We've been here, which is not right or wrong even
I actually that's not it. I don't think it's a
good or thing necessarily. But it's an interesting point that
we're we are talking about the Latino vote as if
they are a monolith, as if they're if when Donald
Trump says their rapists and suth Puerto Ricans are our garbage,
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that they're all going to treat that as that is
my personal exact and that's clearly not true. We are
we are seeing now definitively that is not the case.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Yeah, I mean from twenty twenty to twenty four, from
like twelve percent in certain places to like her losing
its crazy the race.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
It's just like there's a there's there's a blue county
in Texas that had not voted Republican in eighteen since eighteen.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Ninety sixty, Hispanic that went red. You know, like that.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
That's whether you I always there's a lot of that analysis.
And it's actually the same thing with the agent vote Jackson,
as you know, right, like Cambodian refugees in Long Beach
are not really the same as third generation Chinese American
people in San Francisco. But when the number moves that much,
it looks like a monolith, right, And like when you
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talk about a forty point swing, and so that to
me is the question of that's the question. I mean,
that is the question because if that number moves in
that direction and does not come.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Back, that's it. I mean that like, that's it.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
And you do see stuff in California even that's like
not real blue state ish California at the I haven't
seen updated numbers, but as of last night was rejecting
a state proposition to end involuntary servitude among prisoners.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Like you know, California is voting pro slavery in prisons
and voting against raised minimum wag yep and.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Kicked out And look, I got plenty of issues with
the DA in La County, but kicked out the DA
for a more mandatory minimums three strikes DA. I mean,
it's you know, like there are big problems that I
think we. When I say we, I don't mean the
four of us. I mean as a party. There's big
problems people have been pretending don't exist. The y'all have
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both talked about your dislike for the people of color
package a kind of being pushed into that stuff by
the Democratic Party, but you know the way that they
view people. There are issues that people have with the
way that cities are run and homelessness and crime. I
don't think it's fair to pin that on a political party,
but that anger I feel like manifested itself, and there's
(29:28):
no path forward without acknowledging what happened, you know.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
What I mean?
Speaker 4 (29:31):
And I understand everyone is going to.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Look at what their sort of favorite political issues are
and say this is you know what, this is, what happened,
whatever else. A lot of those narratives, if you actually
look at the exit polling and the demographic change, a
lot of those narratives are not true. And like we said,
there's a lot of conversation about our black people are
going to show up for Kamala har Black people showed
up for Kamala Harris. College educated white people showed up
for Kama But you have to look at who did
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not show up and figure out where did fifteen twenty
million votes go, because if you don't get him back,
it's not like we won by a lot in twenty twenty,
you know what I mean, we didn't know till Saturday,
you know, or whatever. So it's and again that's where
all of that anxiety over. If there's much movement. There's
not a lot of room for much movement. He won
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by like Biden won by like forty thousand votes or something,
you know, if you look at the swing stage.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
So yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, I don't really have any other topics.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
One thing I wanted to I want to say is
the one one thing that I want to push back
on a little bit that I've seen people talking about
on the on the left side, is that Kamala Harris
ran a flawless campaign. I don't agree with that. I
think that, uh not that this was the difference. It
certainly was not the difference. But I do think it's
worth noting that I don't think she ran a fallless campaign,
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and I think that I think an argument can be
made that the shift the shift and the Democratic side
to some more middle ground talking points to theoretically pitch
to those undecided voters backfired, And there's argument to be
made that them that the Democratic Party being pro military,
pretty pro military all of a sudden, and pretty and
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pretty having a really aggressive, hardline stance on immigration all
of a sudden, There's an argument to be made. I
don't know, there's an argument to be made that that
normalized Republican talking points and alienated people on on the left,
because that's one you think that Trump always talks about,
is as part of the immigration crisis, is that they're
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bringing fentanyl across the board, that they are the cause
of the opioid crisis in America.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
That is unequivocally false.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
Every piece of data says that it's unequivocally and completely
and totally false that less than five percent of the
fensal in America is coming across the board.
Speaker 8 (31:49):
It is false. But we still have.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
People on the left not saying that, not screaming that
that's that's a lie. That they're saying we need to
fix immigration, which I'm not saying the immigration system is
perfect now, but to not point out the lot the
incorrectness the falseness of some of these Republican talking points
and to instead sort of be like, yeah, they're kind
of right like and hope that that's drawing over the
moderate voters. Whether or not that was the difference in
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the election, I don't know, but it's it was that
a backfired.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I think your argument that it backfired is correct because
they lost it is it is provably the case that
they did not lose the election because they didn't pull
in enough left wing voters, right like, that's that.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
That that's not that's not what now.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
That does highlight the moral point that you're bringing up
of If you if you were going to lose every
moderate voter in the country, if independence were going to
break towards Trump, then you may as well have been
saying what is true and what is morally correct anywhere
right And I would one hundred percent agree with you
on that. But the opioid thing is the exact like
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opioid crisis is because of a lack of governmental regulation
around a new class of highly addicted drug and we've
acted the most anti regulatory president of our lifetimes with
a Supreme Court that will happily gut any regulation that
he wants to gut. Like that is the that's the
exact representation. But I do feel like immigration for them
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was what abortion was for us. They felt like that
was their big culture war issue. We felt like abortion was.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I thought the elector was going to be fifty five
percent women, and women were going to go fifty six
forty four for Democrats because of abortion. And I think
nationally abortion was like ten or eleven percent said abortion
was the most important issue to them, and it was
the same thing with immigration. It just was the economy
was thirty thirty three to thirty six percent everywhere, and
(33:42):
so I don't you know anyway, Yeah, but again just
looking at numbers, and when you lose a football game,
you're correct to blame everyone who was part of losing it,
you know what I mean. And I agree with you
people saying she ran a flowless campaign as goofy, it's
not why she lost the election. But no one's ever
run a flawless campaign, especially not in the Democratic Party.
Whereas John has pointed out, you're trying to pull in
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this huge tent of people who genuinely believe very different things,
and she.
Speaker 8 (34:10):
Also only had a few months to do it.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
I'm not saying that as like a ginormous shot at Kamala,
Like it is fair to be like she had a
very limited time, she had to let people know who
she is. All of these things are true, it'll all
be true at once, but just to say that, like
it was not a fase campaign, Let's stop categorizing that such.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, I'm totally with Jackson.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Like, you know, I mentioned before how much I love
the weird messaging right because it was it was you know,
the Republicans tried to reduce it to just like you know,
childhood bullying or whatever, but they.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Were making a very valid point with that messaging.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
They're making the point that most Americans are not filled
with hate because of your skin color, because of your
sexual orientation. Most Americans want a good job, they want
to be able to buy a house, they want you know,
affordable healthcare.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
That's what most Americans want.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Most Americans are not consumed by hate, as the Republican
Party is pitching to people.
Speaker 10 (34:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I thought that was a very winning message.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
And then they pivoted off that right like, and I
feel like you cannot call that part.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
You cannot come out.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
There and assert that the Republican Party is so consumed
with hate that it's becoming bizarre and weird now and
then say that you know you would have a Republican
in your cabinet, and then you know, do all of
this reaching across to the right. And I saw the
numbers came out that ninety six percent of registered Republicans
voted Republican in twenty twenty. Ninety six percent of registered
Republicans voted Republican in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Like, you're not gonna win that side over, bro, I
don't think.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
I don't think they're consumed by hate.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
But it's interesting to see that having morals is an option,
you know what I'm saying, by not just by by
like you know, undecided voters like I don't give a
fuck about social issues if the economy is not where
I needed to be, you know what I mean? Right,
And I can I can understand that, you know what
I mean, Like being able to buy food if you
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have a family is paramount, you know what I mean,
Gas prices if you make a decision is like that,
that's paramount. But just they're not consumed by hate, but
they don't mind a little hate if they feel like
the economy isn't leaning their way, and that's wild to me.
That's being that I don't the things he said he
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was speaking to are not going to help the economy,
right well.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
And that's the that's the.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
It's crazy crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
But but I want to be clear, he's not the
economy candidate. He's running against the economy that exists, right.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
I just John and I were talking about every country
in the world got hit with mass inflation. Very easy
I find to point to that and be like, that
is nobody's fault. There are things that were done that
you could say, maybe could have been done better.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
This is a global issues.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
This is a global issue that America did relative to
other countries, did it decently in inflation?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
But you you bring me to be because I think
we are all to an extent bringing up the lens
through which we view things. The lens through which I
view things is people have rightly criticized the media for
the way that this race was covered. I think it's
a more deeply existential problem. And then I don't really
think that we have a media.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
We don't have a way recovered.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
It started with Fox News, you know, in my opinion,
twenty something years ago when there was a commitment made
that has now been proven in court to intentionally misinform
people in a in a large scale way.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
But people thought Fox News was crazy. I remember people
thought Fox News was crazy when.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
He was talking about like I mean like it was
the they got the ratings.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Yeah yeah, but.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Yes, but like anti vaccination talk was like what the
fuck are you know? Like it was you know what
I mean, And how that has been popularized since that
time period.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
You know what I mean, he is like you know, pulled.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
The rug up under, up under, you know, uh, you know,
fact based journalism.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
How you know what I'm saying. And now every we're elon.
Speaker 10 (38:08):
You feel me, there's there's there's confusion over things that
there was never confusion over prior to twenty sixteen, Right,
people were just like regardless of what size you side
you're on, you were reasonable about this part.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
And it seems like, you know, since then, it has
not been the same.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
No, And and we've we've discussed this, like with the
with the what's happened in Gaza, John, Like I've seen
people who I hate to even say, like both sides
of the issue or something like I've seen so many
friends share misinformation to prove whatever point they feel. And
and that's the that is the world we live in.
(38:44):
And I think that's the part that we can't wrap
our heads around. Is after the Kent State shooting, what
happens if all of the media is not run by
liberal leaning gatekeepers who say this was a tragedy, that
these kids were killed by a United States, the United
you know, Like, what happens if that is presented in
(39:06):
a media environment that says good, they got what they deserved.
Because like that, like that is what scares me, because
that's what feels like is going to happen to me.
I don't trust that we have a way of communicating
facts to people over the next four years about what
is Like Jackson brought up the the Trump campaign saying
(39:27):
that you know, immigrants are bringing in opioids or bringing
in fentanyl. How do you tell people that that's not true,
It's not true. How do you tell people that? How
do you tell millions of people who googled on election
day who's running for president?
Speaker 4 (39:46):
How do you reach those.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
People When there is no longer mass media, there is
no longer monoculture, and there is no ability to communicate
with people other than with like football games. I guess
that's the only thing anyone I was watching at the
same time. And there isn't an answer to that question.
Social media has made it worse. Social media is owned
(40:08):
by Elon Musk, who said he would do everything he
could to get Donald Trump elected. Yes, constantly, we saw
that on the homepage.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
It is owned by.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Mark Zuckerberg, who already backed off of like, hey, we're
not gonna label anything as disinformation or anything else. I'm
not trying to step on any toes because Trump said
he was gonna throw him in a fucking gulag.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
So like that already happened. That's not a threat.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
That's the traditionally the tools by which you would try
to undo some of this stuff or fight some of
this stuff. And that's what, to me is one of
the most scary parts of looking at the next four
years is.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I don't know what even a step back to take
to combat that.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
I really don't and thinking about it too, like when
there were Sandy Hook truthers in twenty twelve, like shit
was going a particular way at that point.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
And the only way to fight any of that is
the court, which is not going to be available now.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Yeah, right right, right right, but yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Yeah, yeah, I'm leaving it there.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
I mean, this ain't this ain't a Disney movie, my nigga.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
You know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
Love doesn't always win, my nigga. Like sometimes hate beat
your motherfucking ass.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (41:35):
Like, That's why I said I gotta come back that
ship because I just can't. I can't raise two kids,
especially a black daughter. You feel me in the world
and just allow that to happen. So, yeah, I don't
know what the chat looking like.
Speaker 7 (41:49):
Jackson pretty supportive and then there's a couple uh not
so supportive people.
Speaker 6 (41:57):
Okay, okay, But for the people that want to create change,
I mean that if you, if you, if you follow
me or whatever, send me and hit me in the
DMS whatever about play things that I could really lock
in with.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
You know what I'm saying, I'm trying to be outside.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
I'm not.
Speaker 6 (42:12):
I'm not just you know the just reading Twitter type shit.
I mean I do all of that. You feel me like,
I'm trying to be outside and make change in real ways,
you know what I mean. So with people who are
trying to. At least I can say I try, you
feel me, but yeah, gotta jump off the Portray ship.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
You know what I'm saying. It was hard looking me
in the face this moment.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Keep the mean all right.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
We will be back on Friday morning. Uh, and we
will see y'all then. Byeyeye, the volume
The Volume.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome to jenis the Jones on the Volume podcast network.
It is Wednesday, November sixth, and this is gonna be
a little bit of a different episode. If you are
looking for an escape from politics, skip this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
this is not gonna be the come laugh with the fellas.
(00:34):
You know, we're all feeling I think I would say
shell shocked, but we're gonna talk about it. One thing
I think we've always done on the show is kind
of stay true to what we're all as friends actually
talking about and caring about. And obviously what we've been
talking about in the group chat is the election, and
we're going to jump into all that. But if you
want to not think about that shit, this was your
(00:55):
warning to skip the episode. Trigger warning if you will.
I guess, as always, Jenkis Jones, hosted by Dragonfly Jones
A K.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Tyler, Hey, everybody have the gun.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Jethro Jenkins, A K. John, I'm GUARDI b.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
A KA Mike fucking Mike.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
And we're produced, as always by the lovely and talented
Jackson Saffron.
Speaker 6 (01:23):
The second, we can't we can't, we can we can't
allow it.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
We can feel our feelings, you know, what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, I mean, so that's what I want to start with. Uh,
you know, Tyler and John, obviously the election went differently
than you know, all of us we're hoping it would
go all four of us as a Democratic voting blue
state residents. How are you guys feeling and what was
your reaction to last night? Was their surprise anger? You know,
(01:55):
how are you just like feeling? Just checking in with
the two of you right.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Now, I'm just I'm just tired, bro, Like like tired
in the sense of, yeah, I'm annoying, I'm fed up
all that, but I'm like legitimately physically and emotionally tired
at this moment. Like last night, when I saw how
shit was looking, when I saw that, you know, North
Carolina was gonna go Trump's way, when I saw Geordan's
gonna go Trump's way, I was like, bro, I'm just
going to sleep. And that was like twelve o'clock, and
(02:19):
y'all know I stay up till like fucking two three
in the morning, just on the regular, and I was
for sure playing on staying up you know, a little
later into the night to see how this went. But
once you know, Trump blocked those states, I was like, bro,
it's over, yeah, and it's just you're going to.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Sleep at midnight? Would be like, John, are going to
sleep at three pm?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Man, It's just you know, when when Trump won it
in twenty sixteen, it was it felt like it feels
way different than this. It feels like, Okay, y'all voted
for some shit. Whell y'all, don't you do not know
what you're getting into? Like that was kind of my
sentiment that I was like, y'all have no idea what
you just signed up for. But this one, they know
(02:56):
what they're signing up for. They are they are, They
know what they're signing up for. They know they're signing
up for all the bigotry, for all the hate, for
all the regressive backrolling of civil rights. They know they're
signing up for that, and they signed up for it enthusiastically.
Like Trump beat the shit out of Kamala about like
six million popular votes, right about like fifty electoral votes.
(03:16):
It wasn't even close. And it's like I said, bro,
I'm just tired.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
There was a part of me like during Trump's first
term and I was like, look like this is what
y'all want to do. Do y'all not see you know,
are y'all feeling a bit stupid for what you signed
up for? There was there was like that was like
my whole sentiment during that whole term. And then you know,
Biden came along. Biden beat him. And you know, I
thought all along that Biden was perhaps the best chance
to beat Trump because he was a seventy five year old, moderate,
(03:47):
tough on crime, white guy, right like like like, I
thought that was the type of candidate that you needed.
I was drinking the Kamala kool aid. After she took over.
It seemed like the her base was reinvigorator. Like all
the numbers said it. You know, they said that there
was so much enthusiasm behind her after he took the
after she took the keys from Biden, but it just
didn't translate to the polls.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Bro And you know, I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I mean, I feel like there's so many things that
we can point to as to why that didn't happen.
But the fact of the matter is the biggest story
here is this is what this country signed up for.
You can talk about the campaign that Kamala ran. You
can you know, nitpick at that. The fact of the
matter is this country decisively picked Trump and it's that simple,
(04:31):
and it's a and that's something that we're gonna reckon with.
That's something that we're going to have to realize that
this is a country that is right now and it's
as simple as that.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Bro twenty sixteen, I was like, it kind of felt
like that was going I was like, yeah, I don't.
I'm not as confident as everybody else is. I was
nowhere near as confident everybody else was. I was not
surprised when he was elected, you know what I mean.
I was questioning if Hllary was the person to beat him,
and I was so I didn't think people were too
as excited about her as they needs to be in
(05:01):
order to beat him. I saw how he was rallying
people and how excited a lot of motherfuckers were, and
I knew there was gonna be hell to pay for
electing Obama for eight years. Being an album from Missouri,
I remember I told you about this, driving through the
bootheel and seeing signs said anybody but Obama.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
You know what I'm saying. They were gonna make us
pay for that.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Type shit.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
But I thought, like Tyler thought, you know what I'm
saying that, Okay, you see what you're getting into now,
you know what I thought.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
In twenty twenty, people are like, Okay, we don't want that,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
We thought we want things to change, but we don't
want that. And that's what happened in twenty twenty. And
to see that people know exactly what's gonna come and
potentially you know, worse, and still voting for that, it's crazy.
It feels more personal this time, you know what I mean,
seeing the country go further right, losing the popular vote,
losing the popular vote first time since two thousand and four, right,
(05:52):
you know what I mean, Like, that's crazy. I mean
for me personally, Like I couldn't sleep last night thinking
about like, wow, like this is how to this?
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I mean, I know how to I'm a black man.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
I'm not you know, in any way falling for the
illusion of what America is, the brand that America was
pribor to twenty sixteen. I always kind of felt a
particular way about the country, you know what I mean,
But the popular voters will really hit me, and I
just feel like, you know, hey, I don't know what's
going to happen in the next four years and in
the future, because it seems like a lot of Americans
(06:26):
are disillusion about the Democratic Party in general being at Like,
you know, a lot of people just didn't show up,
just didn't show. Fuck it where that disillusion about her?
The Democratic Party?
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Whatever?
Speaker 6 (06:36):
But I know, I got to jump off the porch, nigga.
You know It's like I was telling y'all part of this,
you know, me having a daughter that has the same
makeup as Kamala, you know what I'm saying, And it
seemed like the country just said fuck her, anybody but her.
This nigga says so the wildest, dumbest shit. He didn't
seemingly nothing right, but he was speaking to a particular
group of people that love what he was saying, was
(06:57):
going to show up and support his ass, you.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Know what I mean. You know that felt personal particular way.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
So I know, for me to look her in her face,
you know, I can't just sit here and psuck about it,
you know what I mean, Like, I got to jump
off the porch and help me whatever way I can.
I just can't get involved every two years and post
a motherfucking voted sticker and shit, be sweet, it ain't
like that, nigga, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
So for me to look her in the eyes every
motherfucking day.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
I'm gonna have to fight this motherfucking shit and that's
what I will do, you know what I'm saying. So
anybody got to suggest it's in the chat whatever, you
know what I'm saying. Anyways that I could get out
here and get active, let me know, you know what
I mean, because I mean for me to be comfortable
these next four years, I'm going to have to be
doing something and working towards something like it's the shit
I believe in for sure.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I think I want to talk a little bit.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
You guys know, I'm overly have been overly invested, I
guess in political coverage for most of my life and
follow this stuff really closely. So I want to talk
briefly about what I see as having happened, and that
I want your guys' response.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
You both hit on the head.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
The number one thing to me that's just been sort
of cloaked over every thought I've had is the country
really picked this intentionally.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
And y'all mentioned.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
House popular vote electoral Nigga.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Y'all mentioned that the Republicans won the popular vote in
two thousand and four when George W.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Bush ran. George W.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Bush was running as a wartime president after the first
attack on American soil in seventy years prior to that.
The last time the Republican I mean, so you take
that out, the last time the Republicans decisively, Yeah, I mean,
it really has not happened in our lifetime. So that's
how big the problem is. And I don't think that
(08:38):
any problem can be fixed until you fully acknowledge what
has happened. So from my perspective, what happened was there
was a lot of conversation about what the electorate would
look like.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
There was a hope that if it was.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
More female heavy than male heavy, that would benefit her.
And what happened was black people showed up to vote
for Democrats. College educated white people showed up to vote
for Democrats, I think in a higher share than voted
for Biden and essentially every other and we're talking about
college educated people and black people is the entirety of
our podcast obviously, and I think the large majority of
(09:16):
our listenership as.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Well everyone else voted the other way.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
You know, you have a forty percent swing in the
Latino vote. Democrats didn't know if they had a chance
to compete nationally if there was like a ten to
fifteen percent swing you're talking about in some places.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Puerto Ricans swung thirty percent for Trump.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
After this, you know, there's all the coverage about people
being upset about the joke at the you know, his
rally that that idiot made and all that. So I
think we have a real reckoning man of there is
no national political coalition of black people and college educated
white people. It's not enough people.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
He got less votes.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
This year than he got in twenty twenty. To Tyler's point,
it looks like he's going to get a couple million
less votes, but.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
The Democrats got fifteen to twenty million less votes votes.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And the only hope I wouldn't even call it hope,
but it is a fact. And I think there is
something in there is I think we view politics and
elections through the lens that we see it in, which
is that we are all pretty politically engaged people. We
follow the news, we're interested, so we talk about it
with each other. Thirty five to thirty six percent of
(10:29):
people who voted yesterday said their top issue was the economy,
like I think it was eleven percent said it was abortion.
And there is just a huge percentage of people who
voted yesterday who do not follow politics, who are not
hearing Trump's generals say that he's a fascist, who're not
watching Kamala whoop his ass in the debate. The millions
(10:51):
of Americans googled yesterday, who oh did Joe.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Biden drop out?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And I do think and it showed up in the
exit polls that a huge part of this is people
who people only vote for this.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Stuff that affects them.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
And in twenty twenty, because of COVID, a lot of
people were affected by the fact that Donald Trump did
not know how to run a federal government. And a
lot of people over the last four years who don't
pay any attention to politics have been affected by inflation
and the cost of living. I know that's not sexy.
I know it's no one's favorite issue, in particular gas
and food. You know what I'm saying, which those people
(11:25):
are going to you know, but you can look at
the overlay they put up on CNN of counties that
were the hardest hit by inflation, counties that moved the hardest.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
To perform the right, even the blue ones.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, and so I do think I don't know what
the solution to that is, but I do think that's
the problem. And unfortunately, my suspicion is, as he was
president in twenty sixteen and then lost mid term presidential
election midterm, I suspect that the incredibly dangerous and reckless
(11:59):
shit he's talking about doing with the federal government is
going to affect a lot of people's lives. And then
we'll see if there's a fuck around and find out
moment for the people who voted on the economy. Even
if you just want to look at the economy, you
can't describe how devastating it would be to inflation and
cost of living if he actually imposes the tariffs he's
(12:21):
been saying he's gonna he's gonna impose. You can't even
describe walking into every store in America the day after
that happens and everything costs twenty percent more.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
I was talking to Jackson actual CEO speak speak to
a speak to it, speak to the saw.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
Video of the CEO of I think it was like
total food and wine or something like one of those
Bedmo type of like companies for the CEO, who has
no incentive to be honest about the prices. The CEO said,
Trump's tariffs, if an acted the way he described them,
will cause every single imported liquor that you buy the
store to have their prices increase.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
Period.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
That's what a terriff. That's what a tariff is.
Speaker 8 (12:57):
What a terriff.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
And he's gonna do it, and he's going to put
that on every car that we could buy.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
Every single anyone's ever bought.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
That's the thing about voting for the economy.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
How do you look at him, hear what he says,
and think I was to be honest when he said tariffs.
Initially I was kind of confused and did research immediately,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
I was like, Yo, what the fuck is this? You
know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (13:24):
And so like, how do you speaks a lot of
people just not doing that research, not hearing the things
he stops speaking to, just voting blindly like Biden, what
is the reason for this economy? I'm voting the other way,
you know what I mean. But if you look at
him speak about this for five minutes, how do you
think he's the person that is more equipped than her?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
And that's for five minutes though.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And that's just Yeah, it goes back to what you said.
A lot of folks just aren't economically informed. And you know,
I'm not saying that looking down on folks that the
economy is complicated as fuck. I think, yeah, yeah, I
think for a lot of folks, it was this simple
since two thousand and fucking twenty two or so, a
big mac meal is fucking fifteen dollars And it wasn't
like that when Trump was in office, even though Trump
(14:10):
inherited a very healthy economy and then drove that shit
off a cliff and we saw the ripping effects of
that during Biden's presidency, right, So I think that that's
what it came down to with a lot of folks.
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Speaker 2 (16:32):
Tyler, I especially want to ask you because living in Virginia,
you're obviously in a much more purple state, and I
know that the division between sides of the political divide
are there. Do you buy that argument that the data
is currently presenting that this is a lot of people
who are not engaged in the culture war of Democrats
versus Republicans that are just voting on Oh it's Biden's
(16:56):
vice president. Well he's the one who fucked it up,
you know this, dude, Like you said, you know, I
got the stimulus check or shit was cheaper when he
was president or whatever else. Do you buy that or
do you think that there's I mean, there's obviously everything
contributes when it's a loss like this, But do you
buy that as a big moving part of what happened here?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I guess I do think there is a very sizable
portion of the electorate that voted strictly on the economy.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I for sure believe that.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
But the overarching thing here, it's white supremacy, bro, And
we cannot escape that here. We cannot escape that. It
is you know, like we've always talked about what Trump represents.
Trump is, Trump doesn't exist without Obama. Trump was white
backlash for what was seen as black progress in this country,
you know, And it was that simple, like, you know,
for whatever issues you have with Obama's presidency, his ascension
(17:43):
into the presidency, sex book, he fucking you know, Ivy
League law school. President started out as a community organizer
in Chicago, worked his way up to Senate and you know,
and then ran for president, checked all the boxes of
how you're supposed to rise to the president. And you know,
I feel like Trump was just an example that white
(18:04):
people that that that racist who resented Obama got behind
because they were like, the rules don't matter for us, bro,
you know what I mean, like like that, and that
is what Trump has embodied.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
It's why he's steplin.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
It's why nothing he can do will ever sink his
his his candidacy is why he's a two time president.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
Now, is why he was bumbled into the presidency this campaign,
Like what did he if you could break it down,
what did he do that was right?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Well, just he.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Would just call into Fox News and rant as just
like I'm like, y'all, I'm a conservative, like he would
And when he started doing that, all the reporting is
he wasn't thinking about running for national office. He just
was like, oh fucking immigrant, Like, so you compare those
two paths to national prominence is exactly what Tyler's talking about.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
I just like what I feel like or not, like
I said, I said, I understand this.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
A lot of at one point Democratic odors are disillusioned,
you know what I'm saying with the party.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
You feel me they don't feel like the party speaking
for them.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
I feel like, you know, the Republicans know who the
fuck they talking to, you know what I'm saying. And
also it's like it's a very as far as how
the thoughts and ideas various, it's very tight, you know,
ours are you know, much more varying on this side.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
I think there has more.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
When we talked about white supremacy all that shit, I
think that has to be a different approach, Like there
has to be a total I mean, I don't know
how we garner excitement, you know what I'm saying, for
what's got what we got going on.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
But like.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
We talked about guys, you know y'all, I feel about
that ship, you know what I'm saying, Like it's it's been.
I wasn't truly happy about the things that were said
that were going to be done, and I wouldn't know
if I believed in it.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
I thought this was the best option. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
In that situation, I feel that, you know, Trump, Trump
going into power. Now I'm extremely frightened for what's going
to be going on all over there now, you know
what I'm saying. But I didn't know she was going
to be the person that really you know, fantasies fire whatever,
you know what I mean. But yeah, gee, I don't
I don't know how we garner excitement for this group.
(20:15):
I feel like it's a much more varying side.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
And I think it was.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
I think I saw something where I don't know if
this number was as correct. This was at some point
early in the day, I mean earlier in the evening,
but there are more independent voters than Democratic voters. Voters
independent generally leans towards Democrats.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
But I saw something like that. But I don't know.
I do think that's how to garner those people.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I do think that's too Tyler's It's like the Democratic
base showed up, the Republican base showed up. Everyone else
who is not engaged in this stuff but just is
voting on what's happening to them showed up. Not in
the way that we thought they show up. They showed
up for Donald Trump. I think I want to talk
about the white supreme point that Tyler's making. You know,
(21:03):
I've talked with shar some about Obama to Trump being
the a majority white country coming to grips with the
fact that it is not going to be majority white
for much longer. In nineteen seventy, America was ninety three
percent white according to its census. That number, I think
(21:24):
is like fifty three to fifty four percent now. And
there is no such thing historically as a country where
that kind of a change happens with no conflict. They're
just oh, okay, you know, this is just the sands
of time. But my kids are not white. Most of
the white people I know who have kids do not
(21:46):
have white kids. They have mixed rates kids, either with
black or with Hispanic, with Asian whatever else. And I
do think like that's why they're talking about deporting immigrants.
That's why they're talking about that stuff. They're fighting a
democratic change that's not fightable. There's nothing they can do
about that.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
And so that to me is the big.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Question mark because of what Tyler said there is white
people do have power, and white people do believe in
white supremacy. So what does that mean when that number
goes under fifty percent, when it goes to forty five percent,
when it goes to forty percent, because that is going
to happen and in our lifetimes. So I don't have
I don't have.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
An answer to that question.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
What happens.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And I'm not even suggesting it'll be good when it happens.
I'm not even suggesting. I'm not even suggesting that. I'm
just saying it is happening. And so I think to
your point, John, about we have to change what we're
looking at like that that change is happening. And so
the question is you get down to white people are
forty percent of the country, if they still control everything
(22:51):
that looks really bad, that doesn't happen without it being
enforced in a particular type of way. So that that,
to me is that's the wheel of history that we
can all put one hand on.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Is what does that transition look like?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And how do we make it so that it doesn't
look like what happened yesterday? And I don't have an
answer to that question. But that's one of the biggest
things to me, trying to think about the scope of
our whole life and our kids' lives that I'm trying
to get my head around right now.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I mean, the thing about white supremacy is it's not
only white people who advocate for it. You know, we
saw the swing of Latino hotes this election because you know,
like I said, with white supremacy, like so many people
don't necessarily want to dismount to white supremacy. They want
to benefit from it the same way white people do. Right,
And you know, to John's question in regards to what
(23:44):
we do about that, I thought when Kamala first took
the keys and they came out with that weird messaging,
I was like, this feels groundbreaking because for so often
Democrats they just leaned on the side of hey, black
and brown people and gay people, we're people too, and
you should respect us.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
And then they pivoted.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
They went to, bro, you don't like people because of
their skin color, their sexual orientation, You're weird. And I
thought that was I thought that was winning messaging right there,
right because.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It it it it.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It felt like the Democratic Party was on the offensive
for like the first time in decades to me. But
but yeah, it's it's you know, like Mike said, it's
for sure, the the the GOP scrambling because they this
country is becoming less and less white and they're their
voting base is fucking you know, ninety five percent white
(24:34):
or what have you, and dog and it's it's just
I don't know, I don't know how you combat it, because,
like I said, it's not just white people who are
carrying the torch for it.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Well, and I think if you had said that after
two thousand and eight, Republicans doubled down on winning over
Latino votes, you'd say that was pretty shrewd.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
There's the fastest growing part of the country.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
There are in communities, mind, some natural tensions between black
people and Hispanic people, and Republicans are going to try
and exploit that, and they're going to be the party
of you know, doing of trying to serve that community.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
But I feel like they've done the opposite of that.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
They didn't what they what do they speak to that
would make you think that they would have won Latino vote?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Right, Like his first speech, his first speech, he's referring
to all so he's referring to Mexicans as rapists and criminals,
and so, you know, to Tyler's point, I do understand.
And I think actually, in some ways, even though it's
a larger wave of immigration, the Mexican wave of the
wave of immigration specifically from Mexico does sort of mirror
(25:39):
the waves of Europeans of coming over being othered but
seeking power by trying to assimilate into whitehood, right into
into whiteness.
Speaker 8 (25:49):
So I do no.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I was just gonna say so.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
But what's what concerns me is again, I don't feel like.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Their party swarded that vote. It just came to them.
And that's very.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
I agree. And I was talking with John about this before.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
I wish I had saved the name of the or
the video, or that I could quote the actual person
who was saying this, But I just I was seen
watching a video before we started about a Latina political
analyst on some network talking about this this big ship
Latino and she was saying that with a lot of
people that she's spoken to and a lot of like
research she's done about the Latino community, is that we
(26:28):
are now at a point because immigrations has not it's
not new that immigration Latino countries has come into this country,
that we are generations into that. So there are people
who have been born and their parents were born in America.
So those people, for whatever reason, not necessarily right or wrong,
don't associate themselves and their ethnic heritage, ethnic identity with
(26:50):
this idea of what Trump is talking about, that those
Mexicans are rapists. They're like, that's not us. We're Americans.
We've been here, which is not right or wrong even
I actually that's not it. I don't think it's a
good or thing necessarily. But it's an interesting point that
we're we are talking about the Latino vote as if
they are a monolith, as if they're if when Donald
Trump says their rapists and suth Puerto Ricans are our garbage,
(27:12):
that they're all going to treat that as that is
my personal exact and that's clearly not true. We are
we are seeing now definitively that is not the case.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Yeah, I mean from twenty twenty to twenty four, from
like twelve percent in certain places to like her losing
its crazy the race.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
It's just like there's a there's there's a blue county
in Texas that had not voted Republican in eighteen since eighteen.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Ninety sixty, Hispanic that went red. You know, like that.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
That's whether you I always there's a lot of that analysis.
And it's actually the same thing with the agent vote Jackson,
as you know, right, like Cambodian refugees in Long Beach
are not really the same as third generation Chinese American
people in San Francisco. But when the number moves that much,
it looks like a monolith, right, And like when you
(28:02):
talk about a forty point swing, and so that to
me is the question of that's the question. I mean,
that is the question because if that number moves in
that direction and does not come.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Back, that's it. I mean that like, that's it.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
And you do see stuff in California even that's like
not real blue state ish California at the I haven't
seen updated numbers, but as of last night was rejecting
a state proposition to end involuntary servitude among prisoners.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Like you know, California is voting pro slavery in prisons
and voting against raised minimum wag yep and.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Kicked out And look, I got plenty of issues with
the DA in La County, but kicked out the DA
for a more mandatory minimums three strikes DA. I mean,
it's you know, like there are big problems that I
think we. When I say we, I don't mean the
four of us. I mean as a party. There's big
problems people have been pretending don't exist. The y'all have
(29:02):
both talked about your dislike for the people of color
package a kind of being pushed into that stuff by
the Democratic Party, but you know the way that they
view people. There are issues that people have with the
way that cities are run and homelessness and crime. I
don't think it's fair to pin that on a political party,
but that anger I feel like manifested itself, and there's
(29:28):
no path forward without acknowledging what happened, you know.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
What I mean?
Speaker 4 (29:31):
And I understand everyone is going to.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Look at what their sort of favorite political issues are
and say this is you know what, this is, what happened,
whatever else. A lot of those narratives, if you actually
look at the exit polling and the demographic change, a
lot of those narratives are not true. And like we said,
there's a lot of conversation about our black people are
going to show up for Kamala har Black people showed
up for Kamala Harris. College educated white people showed up
for Kama But you have to look at who did
(29:55):
not show up and figure out where did fifteen twenty
million votes go, because if you don't get him back,
it's not like we won by a lot in twenty twenty,
you know what I mean, we didn't know till Saturday,
you know, or whatever. So it's and again that's where
all of that anxiety over. If there's much movement. There's
not a lot of room for much movement. He won
(30:16):
by like Biden won by like forty thousand votes or something,
you know, if you look at the swing stage.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
So yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, I don't really have any other topics.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
One thing I wanted to I want to say is
the one one thing that I want to push back
on a little bit that I've seen people talking about
on the on the left side, is that Kamala Harris
ran a flawless campaign. I don't agree with that. I
think that, uh not that this was the difference. It
certainly was not the difference. But I do think it's
worth noting that I don't think she ran a fallless campaign,
(30:52):
and I think that I think an argument can be
made that the shift the shift and the Democratic side
to some more middle ground talking points to theoretically pitch
to those undecided voters backfired, And there's argument to be
made that them that the Democratic Party being pro military,
pretty pro military all of a sudden, and pretty and
(31:13):
pretty having a really aggressive, hardline stance on immigration all
of a sudden, There's an argument to be made. I
don't know, there's an argument to be made that that
normalized Republican talking points and alienated people on on the left,
because that's one you think that Trump always talks about,
is as part of the immigration crisis, is that they're
(31:34):
bringing fentanyl across the board, that they are the cause
of the opioid crisis in America.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
That is unequivocally false.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
Every piece of data says that it's unequivocally and completely
and totally false that less than five percent of the
fensal in America is coming across the board.
Speaker 8 (31:49):
It is false. But we still have.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
People on the left not saying that, not screaming that
that's that's a lie. That they're saying we need to
fix immigration, which I'm not saying the immigration system is
perfect now, but to not point out the lot the
incorrectness the falseness of some of these Republican talking points
and to instead sort of be like, yeah, they're kind
of right like and hope that that's drawing over the
moderate voters. Whether or not that was the difference in
(32:14):
the election, I don't know, but it's it was that
a backfired.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I think your argument that it backfired is correct because
they lost it is it is provably the case that
they did not lose the election because they didn't pull
in enough left wing voters, right like, that's that.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
That that's not that's not what now.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
That does highlight the moral point that you're bringing up
of If you if you were going to lose every
moderate voter in the country, if independence were going to
break towards Trump, then you may as well have been
saying what is true and what is morally correct anywhere
right And I would one hundred percent agree with you
on that. But the opioid thing is the exact like
(32:52):
opioid crisis is because of a lack of governmental regulation
around a new class of highly addicted drug and we've
acted the most anti regulatory president of our lifetimes with
a Supreme Court that will happily gut any regulation that
he wants to gut. Like that is the that's the
exact representation. But I do feel like immigration for them
(33:15):
was what abortion was for us. They felt like that
was their big culture war issue. We felt like abortion was.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I thought the elector was going to be fifty five
percent women, and women were going to go fifty six
forty four for Democrats because of abortion. And I think
nationally abortion was like ten or eleven percent said abortion
was the most important issue to them, and it was
the same thing with immigration. It just was the economy
was thirty thirty three to thirty six percent everywhere, and
(33:42):
so I don't you know anyway, Yeah, but again just
looking at numbers, and when you lose a football game,
you're correct to blame everyone who was part of losing it,
you know what I mean. And I agree with you
people saying she ran a flowless campaign as goofy, it's
not why she lost the election. But no one's ever
run a flawless campaign, especially not in the Democratic Party.
Whereas John has pointed out, you're trying to pull in
(34:04):
this huge tent of people who genuinely believe very different things,
and she.
Speaker 8 (34:10):
Also only had a few months to do it.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
I'm not saying that as like a ginormous shot at Kamala,
Like it is fair to be like she had a
very limited time, she had to let people know who
she is. All of these things are true, it'll all
be true at once, but just to say that, like
it was not a fase campaign, Let's stop categorizing that such.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, I'm totally with Jackson.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Like, you know, I mentioned before how much I love
the weird messaging right because it was it was you know,
the Republicans tried to reduce it to just like you know,
childhood bullying or whatever, but they.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Were making a very valid point with that messaging.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
They're making the point that most Americans are not filled
with hate because of your skin color, because of your
sexual orientation. Most Americans want a good job, they want
to be able to buy a house, they want you know,
affordable healthcare.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
That's what most Americans want.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Most Americans are not consumed by hate, as the Republican
Party is pitching to people.
Speaker 10 (34:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I thought that was a very winning message.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
And then they pivoted off that right like, and I
feel like you cannot call that part.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
You cannot come out.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
There and assert that the Republican Party is so consumed
with hate that it's becoming bizarre and weird now and
then say that you know you would have a Republican
in your cabinet, and then you know, do all of
this reaching across to the right. And I saw the
numbers came out that ninety six percent of registered Republicans
voted Republican in twenty twenty. Ninety six percent of registered
Republicans voted Republican in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Like, you're not gonna win that side over, bro, I
don't think.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
I don't think they're consumed by hate.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
But it's interesting to see that having morals is an option,
you know what I'm saying, by not just by by
like you know, undecided voters like I don't give a
fuck about social issues if the economy is not where
I needed to be, you know what I mean? Right,
And I can I can understand that, you know what
I mean, Like being able to buy food if you
(35:54):
have a family is paramount, you know what I mean,
Gas prices if you make a decision is like that,
that's paramount. But just they're not consumed by hate, but
they don't mind a little hate if they feel like
the economy isn't leaning their way, and that's wild to me.
That's being that I don't the things he said he
(36:16):
was speaking to are not going to help the economy,
right well.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
And that's the that's the.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
It's crazy crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
But but I want to be clear, he's not the
economy candidate. He's running against the economy that exists, right.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
I just John and I were talking about every country
in the world got hit with mass inflation. Very easy
I find to point to that and be like, that
is nobody's fault. There are things that were done that
you could say, maybe could have been done better.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
This is a global issues.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
This is a global issue that America did relative to
other countries, did it decently in inflation?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
But you you bring me to be because I think
we are all to an extent bringing up the lens
through which we view things. The lens through which I
view things is people have rightly criticized the media for
the way that this race was covered. I think it's
a more deeply existential problem. And then I don't really
think that we have a media.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
We don't have a way recovered.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
It started with Fox News, you know, in my opinion,
twenty something years ago when there was a commitment made
that has now been proven in court to intentionally misinform
people in a in a large scale way.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
But people thought Fox News was crazy. I remember people
thought Fox News was crazy when.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
He was talking about like I mean like it was
the they got the ratings.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Yeah yeah, but.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Yes, but like anti vaccination talk was like what the
fuck are you know? Like it was you know what
I mean, And how that has been popularized since that
time period.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
You know what I mean, he is like you know, pulled.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
The rug up under, up under, you know, uh, you know,
fact based journalism.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
How you know what I'm saying. And now every we're elon.
Speaker 10 (38:08):
You feel me, there's there's there's confusion over things that
there was never confusion over prior to twenty sixteen, Right,
people were just like regardless of what size you side
you're on, you were reasonable about this part.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
And it seems like, you know, since then, it has
not been the same.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
No, And and we've we've discussed this, like with the
with the what's happened in Gaza, John, Like I've seen
people who I hate to even say, like both sides
of the issue or something like I've seen so many
friends share misinformation to prove whatever point they feel. And
and that's the that is the world we live in.
(38:44):
And I think that's the part that we can't wrap
our heads around. Is after the Kent State shooting, what
happens if all of the media is not run by
liberal leaning gatekeepers who say this was a tragedy, that
these kids were killed by a United States, the United
you know, Like, what happens if that is presented in
(39:06):
a media environment that says good, they got what they deserved.
Because like that, like that is what scares me, because
that's what feels like is going to happen to me.
I don't trust that we have a way of communicating
facts to people over the next four years about what
is Like Jackson brought up the the Trump campaign saying
(39:27):
that you know, immigrants are bringing in opioids or bringing
in fentanyl. How do you tell people that that's not true,
It's not true. How do you tell people that? How
do you tell millions of people who googled on election
day who's running for president?
Speaker 4 (39:46):
How do you reach those.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
People When there is no longer mass media, there is
no longer monoculture, and there is no ability to communicate
with people other than with like football games. I guess
that's the only thing anyone I was watching at the
same time. And there isn't an answer to that question.
Social media has made it worse. Social media is owned
(40:08):
by Elon Musk, who said he would do everything he
could to get Donald Trump elected. Yes, constantly, we saw
that on the homepage.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
It is owned by.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Mark Zuckerberg, who already backed off of like, hey, we're
not gonna label anything as disinformation or anything else. I'm
not trying to step on any toes because Trump said
he was gonna throw him in a fucking gulag.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
So like that already happened. That's not a threat.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
That's the traditionally the tools by which you would try
to undo some of this stuff or fight some of
this stuff. And that's what, to me is one of
the most scary parts of looking at the next four
years is.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I don't know what even a step back to take
to combat that.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
I really don't and thinking about it too, like when
there were Sandy Hook truthers in twenty twelve, like shit
was going a particular way at that point.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
And the only way to fight any of that is
the court, which is not going to be available now.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Yeah, right right, right right, but yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Yeah, yeah, I'm leaving it there.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
I mean, this ain't this ain't a Disney movie, my nigga.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
You know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
Love doesn't always win, my nigga. Like sometimes hate beat
your motherfucking ass.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (41:35):
Like, That's why I said I gotta come back that
ship because I just can't. I can't raise two kids,
especially a black daughter. You feel me in the world
and just allow that to happen. So, yeah, I don't
know what the chat looking like.
Speaker 7 (41:49):
Jackson pretty supportive and then there's a couple uh not
so supportive people.
Speaker 6 (41:57):
Okay, okay, But for the people that want to create change,
I mean that if you, if you, if you follow
me or whatever, send me and hit me in the
DMS whatever about play things that I could really lock
in with.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
You know what I'm saying, I'm trying to be outside.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
I'm not.
Speaker 6 (42:12):
I'm not just you know the just reading Twitter type shit.
I mean I do all of that. You feel me like,
I'm trying to be outside and make change in real ways,
you know what I mean. So with people who are
trying to. At least I can say I try, you
feel me, but yeah, gotta jump off the Portray ship.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
You know what I'm saying. It was hard looking me
in the face this moment.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Keep the mean all right.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
We will be back on Friday morning. Uh, and we
will see y'all then. Byeyeye, the volume
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