Nerd Sesh - Game 4 Reactions: Warriors WIN IN CLUTCH vs. Rockets, Cavaliers SWEEP Heat

The nerds react to Steph Curry, Jimmy Butler, Draymond Green and the Golden State Warriors doing battle in Game 4 with Amen Thompson, Alperen Sengun and the Houston Rockets. They also break down how Donovan Mitchell, Evan Mobley and the Cleveland Cavaliers swept Tyler Herro, Bam Adebayo and the Miami Heat.

Timestamps

00:00:23 - Warriors-Rockets

00:37:31 - Cavaliers-Heat

#Volume

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. No, oh my god, how could he do that?

Speaker 2 (00:14):
No, don't watch what Charles Darwin. The nerves is where
it's at. Welcome everybody back into Nerd Sash as always,
I'm Carson Bramern. Alongside me is Logan Camden, and you
already know the drill. We only have two basketball games
to talk about today. One of them was historic, but

(00:38):
the other one was the much better watch. So we
are going to start, of course, Logan, with this epic
Game four battle between the Warriors and the Rockets, a
series that has been so intense, so competitive, so physical,
in which there's been so much bad blood, and the
Doves come out with a huge clutch victory to take

(00:58):
a three to one series lead. Logan, and of course,
your darling Jimmy Butler is back in action in this one.
He has the deep conclusion confusion in his glute and
still he not only suits up, he has a huge
impact on this game. What did you make of his performance?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Jimmy's so damn good at picking his spots, man, and
I couldn't be happier after what Anthony Edwards gave me
yesterday with Jimmy Butler gave me to day, Man, I
am grateful. I am thankful. It's a great day to
be alive and to be able to watch basketball. Man.
I mean, hey, man, Jimmy gets to the line a
lot in this game too. That's crucial. He doesn't miss.

(01:37):
He goes twelve of twelve hits, some crucial free throws
down the stretch. Dylan Brooks, he forces to foul him
on a three pointer. That's huge. He comes up big
with some layup in transition a few times late in
this game. Like, Jimmy is so damn good at picking
his spots, and I want to give Jimmy a ton
of credit in this game. And I know this was

(01:59):
the story of this series coming into Rockets Warriors, but
I really felt like this game came down to the
veterans versus the young guys in a lot of ways. Man.
I felt like the Rockets got sunned a little bit
in this game, down to the final possession where Draymond
kind of suns Sengoon walling him up. Well, so I
didn't really think that was the best shot for the Rockets.

(02:20):
I wish they had tried to do a little two
man action or like, I don't know, I didn't it
wasn't really creative, Like, I don't know, Carson, I don't
know that you man. I don't really like isoing one
of the best defensive players on the planet for the
last shot.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I agree, Shengoon has really struggled to score one on
one versus Draymond. He came into this game shooting just
forty four percent in that matchup, Like he's just not
going to be able to move Draymond, so he's gonna
end up settling for a pretty difficult touch shot from
about fifteen feet like we saw in that last possession,
and his touch isn't good enough. It's good, it's not

(02:57):
good enough for that to be the shot I'm comfortable
with on the last possession. Shan Gun was torching mismatches
in this game when Dre was out, but when Dre
is on the floor, it's a very different story.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
I completely agree. And all I was going to say
is that I think Semguon has good touch under the basket,
but when you extend him out like beyond that free
throw line, I think is where I'm I'm okay with
him taking a jump shot or settling for a hook
shot how he did on Draymond. So I didn't like
that for them, but like I really thought, it was
you know, the faith that you have and the old
guys coming through. Even though Draymond has five fouls, the

(03:30):
Warriors stay alive and it's all hands on deck. Big
shout out to Brandon pot Zimski man what he gave
you with his supplementary ball handling, drawing, charges, rebounding. Like dude,
he is a superstar role player and when his shot
is on, he's perfect out there. Buddy healed. I'm sorry, Bro,
my fault, Buddy.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
No, please say something else. Talk more shit, Bro, You
are bringing out the best version of Buddy, just like
Dylan Brooks is bringing out the best version of Jimmy.
Everybody's got to have some antagonists to fire them up
in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
I'm on his shoulder and Bud he's been cash like
he doesn't need to dribble. Actually, Dude, that one off
the dribble three he hits off the wing in this
game late was ridiculous. He hit some big ones in
transition in this game. Buddy's been a real weapon for
them and they needed him desperately in this game to
come through. But at the end of the day, I
thought Jimmy really picked his spots well and came through

(04:25):
big in the fourth quarter. And I thought this was
a big dynamic of old versus new. I thought Sengoon
was still a little bit inefficient. I think Jayalen Green
has had a horrendous series. He doesn't even close out
for the Rockets in this game. He doesn't reach. I
think he was scoreless in the second half. It was
a really good of men Thompson fourth quarter. I thought,

(04:46):
But Doves come through, man, all hands on deck, dude,
this is a Warriors team win. And credit to them
for surviving so long in the second half without Draymond.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Man.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
The Rockets had some really good runs in there, but
they produced enough offensively good team win for the Doves. Man.
But I just don't have that faith in the Rockets yet. Man.
I still trust the Warriors to close out games a
little bit more.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I will say the Dubs didn't hang in there that well.
In the no Andre Mond minutes, they were plus seventeen
with them, they were minus fourteen and seventeen minutes without him.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Were those runs in the second half really that bad?

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I mean, they dominated that last eight minutes of the
third quarter with the double big look, which was so
effective for Houston, which I think they need to go
to even more. But this is such an impressive win
for the Dubs because you said it perfectly, Logan. All
hands on deck was the theme of this one. Games
won in Game three were Steph Curry masterclasses. It's him

(05:42):
giving you a hyper efficient thirty seven points. It's him
creating every quality shot for your offense and just showing
a level of shot making an efficiency that seems impossible
in this series. That was not the case in this one.
Steph actually has kind of a rough first half, some
really sloppy turnovers. I thought a men was doing a
really good job on him, and he just ends up

(06:03):
not really getting up the volume of shots or having
the same playmaking volume as a passer that he did
in Game three, and so the responsibility does fall on
a lot of the other Warriors. And I am just
blown away by Jimmy Butler Man. I truly think he
is one of the greatest competitors this sport has ever seen.

(06:24):
Because when I was watching him in the first half,
I was like, all right, he's out there to be
out there. He's out there to command some respect from
the defense. He's out there to still use his IQ
make good reads within the offense. We're not going to
see Jimmy Butler score twenty five points in this game.
And then he dials it up in the second half.
He's still driving both to finish and to create for others.

(06:44):
He's still getting to the line at an elite rate,
which is such an important dimension he adds to this offense.
He knocks down a three, he draws a foul on
a three, as you mentioned, he's active on the glass. Truly,
just special Warrior stuff from him because he is so
so essential to this team in so many ways. We've
talked about how the Warriors season did a one to

(07:05):
eighty when he joined the team. He's so impactful on
both sides the ball, and even at whenever he was
at tonight sixty percent, he's still had that elite impact,
especially in the biggest moments. Pods My god, what a performance.
He is a player who does all the little things
right all the time, and then when he makes six threes,

(07:27):
you think this guy is just the perfect pumplimentary player.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
I wish he would never hesitate, man. I think he
is a really good shooter, and I just want him
to stay confident all the time. Like, I agree, there's
a different look when when he is hitting like this,
he's not. It's and even when he does miss, like
he's stepping into these shots with confidence, with dudes closing out,
Like I want him to bring that every night because
he's a he's a good shooter and superstar role player. Man,

(07:52):
he does all the little things.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
He has been shooting the three at high volume at
more than forty percent for more than half the year now.
So there's even a possession in this game where he's
feeling it and he's hot, and still he passes up
a wide open three. Now he ends up getting a
tough mid range and one out of it a little
runner that he banks in. It was just that kind
of night for Pods. But I thought his shooting was

(08:15):
really big, capitalizing on the attention staff is drawing, taking
advantage and punishing the zone that the Rockets spent a
lot of the night. And it's huge to have that
sort of outside shooting against the zone. And then you
mentioned the two charges. He also has that massive block
with the rearview contest on Fred van Vlietz. So what
a two way player, what an all around basketball player

(08:36):
he is, especially when the shot is falling. Buddy, as
you said, stepped up made some big shots in Quinton
Post the last couple games has given the Warriors really
good minutes. He's not super efficient from the field in
this one, but I thought again he was making the
right reads as a passer, he was pretty active on
the glass, and he still ends up giving you thirteen points.

(08:58):
They just needed offense wherever they could get it in
that first half before Jimmy really dialed things up, and
that's where Pods and Post and even Buddy came in
really big in this one. I did think even though
the Warriors win this one, it was by far the
best offensive performance we've seen from the Rockets. This was
just by far the best offensive game we've seen from

(09:20):
both teams. It still ends up being not high scoring,
but that's more of just a pace thing. Like, the
offensive efficiency in this game was actually pretty solid, and
I thought the stretch in which the Rockets really put
themselves in position to win this game was when they
went double big with Draymond off the floor. They went

(09:40):
on a big run in that third quarter, and they
were doing everything right to take advantage of Drey's absence
to punish them not having that sort of interior defender.
Shngon is attacking mismatches relentlessly, and he's playing a bullyball
and he's just plowing his way deep into the paint
and around the and he's finishing, and if he doesn't finish,

(10:02):
Steven Adams is getting every single offensive rebound. I thought,
once again, Steven Adams was probably a top two player
for the Rockets in this game, might have been their
best player because he was so dominant on the offensive
glass and it doesn't even fully show up on the statue.
He's drawing fouls, fighting for rebounds, and he was so

(10:25):
dominant as an interior defender. This is a Warriors team
that generally struggles to finish at the rim outside of
Jimmy Butler, and Steven Adams was just blowing plays up.
He has four blocks and they were plus sixteen in
his minutes. The other guy who was really excellent in
that stretch was a Men Thompson. I thought he played
an excellent game, clearly his best of the series. Just

(10:49):
using him more as a point guard instead of trying
to have him be a screener spread out around him
a little bit. I mean, he's still driving into some
relatively packed paints with the two bigs out there, but
there isn't an interior defender who can really challenge him.
And he was so good as a finisher, and you
just saw that one of a kind athleticism that he has,
so he was really affeeshion. He was playing super downhill.

(11:12):
And I gotta say, man, I thought Steve Kerr had
one of the brilliant decisions of the game when he
started doing hacking Adams, because at the time, I was like,
do you really want to be doing this? Like the
Rockets have had a better offensive performance and so maybe
you think this slows them down, and like another advantages
it takes Steven Adams off the glass because he's shooting

(11:33):
free throws, so you think they're not as likely to
get another possession. So I could see the value of
it in a vacuum, But the value of it ended
up being that Emao o Doka takes Steven Adams off
the floor. He says, I don't want you shooting free throws,
which I just thought was a pretty bad decision because
let's say you do send Steven Adams to the line,

(11:54):
he's a forty six percent free throw shooter this year,
so that's zero point nine to two points per possession.
The Rockets in this series in the half court are
averaging under point eighty five points per possessions. So like, statistically,
even if he's going his normal percentage of the line,
if he's shooting one for two at the line on
all these trips, that's above average half court offense for

(12:15):
the Rockets in this series. Their offense was better than
that tonight. But for that to be the reason that
you pull him from the game when he is dominating
it on both ends just didn't make sense to me, because,
like in the two and a half minutes that they
took Adams out after that before they put him back in,
because you're under two minutes and you can't do the

(12:36):
Hecket Adam things anymore. Like the Rockets got outscored six
to three. So would sending him to the line a
couple times have been worse offense than you scoring one
time in the handful of possessions that you had, No,
it wouldn't have been. And they've just been so dominant
in his minutes all series. They're plus twenty three and
he's only playing like twenty minutes a game. This was

(12:58):
the most he's played twenty six minutes in this one.
The double big look was their most effective in the
regular season. It's clearly been their most effective in the playoffs.
And I wonder if the Rockets could have stolen one
of these games if they just went to Steven Adams more,
because he's been so damn good when he's on the floor,
even more so when Draymond isn't out there and the

(13:19):
Warriors don't have the bodies to match them, which they
never really do, but they can do a better job
at least when Dre is on the floor, and they
weren't playing Looney, they were playing TJD, which I thought
was a really bad decision. I think more Steven Adams
is the answer for the Rockets, and it may just
be too late at this point.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I completely agree with that on Adams. I mean, I
think he's been a top two player for them in
this series Adams, and they've been dominant. Like you said,
in his minutes, I think it's foolish to just have
him off the floor. I did think the Rockets offense
looked a lot better in this game. One a man
had a really good fourth quarter. I wonder though, I
mean the Warriors in some of his other minutes were

(13:55):
kind of just playing off of him, which does still
concern me. And just Rockets are one of the worst
shooting teams in the league and that's been so hard
for them to overcome in this series. Van Vliet has
a really good game in this one and he finally
gets his shot going. Did you really think I thought
the Warriors were just pretty bad defensively at some points

(14:16):
in this game, like they tightened up, but they get
they con seeded a lot of open threes. I thought
to Van Vliet specifically, like they were kind of frustrating
me on some of those defensive possessions.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Van Vleek got a lot of great looks, either against
drop or if they were too late with the switch,
and he's just the pull up three is all he's got,
so he's that's saying he's red hot in this one.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
You're letting them shoot good shots for them. It's like
at a certain point it's like you're letting them shoot
warm up jumpers. Anybody is gonna hit them, and I
get some of those were in minutes without dre out there,
But I do think that speaks to how impactful he
is when he's on the floor. But I mean that
really is the difference to me is their inability to
really get offense going man, and we thought that was

(14:58):
gonna be the shortcoming for them on Sangoon. You're to
I want to dive into that for a second. I
think he's gonna get way better. Tell me if you
think this is ridiculous expectations for him, like long term, okay,
I think he could be like top three to five
as a center, and I think he could be like
a top twenty five player. Do you think that's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
That's a little bit optimistic when you're saying top three
to five centers because you're going to have Wemby Cheat
I think is going to move over to the center spot.
I think there's a real chance Mobily moves over to
the center spot. Those are guys who aren't totally different tiers,
not even accounting for like Joki is still going to
be around for years, Cat's going to be around for years.
There's a number of guys. Bam is still going to

(15:42):
be around for years.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
It's like I get that Jayalen Green is flashy, but
he's so inconsistent.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
It's like, look, Gone is way better than Ja.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I think that he's in a completely different tiers and asset,
And my thing is one. I mean, his footwork is
impeccable when he was so dominated points, like, he makes
it look so easy getting to the basket. Sometimes his
inside game is so polished in his I really like
his touch inside. I think he's gonna figure out his
shot in his touch, and I think he's gonna become

(16:12):
a better shooter. It's like his comp is always Sabonis.
But the thing to me is Sabonis has never woken
up a day in his life and been as good
offensively as a scorer is Sengoon in the NBA. It's
like I trust Sengoon way more as a score than
I do Sabonis. Man, Like there's just a different level
of creation I feel, and he's so much younger, Like

(16:35):
I just think Sengoon can be a reliable offensive asset
for the Rockets long term. Like I think he's a
building block kind of guy, and I think he's gonna
get way better. I just don't feel that. I don't
feel that way about jay Len Green, but I do
I think I think Sengoon has really high upside.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
The Sabonus comp has never really been that great for him.
They obviously have this same look of like, oh, the
playmaking big who is not Yokic. So we have to
come up with a comparison that is like still a
really good player, but not the one of one guy.
But Shengoon has always had more in his bag as
a scorer in terms of the footwork, in terms of

(17:16):
the ball handling, right, Like, this is a guy who
can effectively run point for you in stretches, and so
I do think that his post game is more impressive
and developed and there's more skill there. The difference is
I do think that Sabonus is a guy who fits
more seamlessly into a sort of quick read and react
playmaking big role, running hand off spotting cutters.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
This dude I would rather give the ball to.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Like he's a more skilled scorer, for sure.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
I don't want.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Again with Shengoon. Logan is you're talking about his touch
getting better, like when like we have to see.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
That he's young, bro, Like I just think you give
this guy time. Like I think he's he's got such
good touch inside that like eventually, I feel like it's
gonna trend s. Bonus, I've never fell like his head good.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, we're not gonna talk about Sibonis now because we
know how you feel about him. Shngun's touch has been
something that has held him back as a scorer this year.
His finishing around the rim has not been good. I
mention inside the paint, outside the restricted area, he's only
forty one percent this year, and so that really brings
down his efficiency, especially when obviously the three ball and

(18:27):
like the actual deep mid range jumper like that is
a zero for him at this point in his game.
So those are the problems, and he's still really struggling
from the free throw line, especially in this series. Like
I understand what you're saying, because he puts you in
a position where you feel like, oh boy, he's getting
good shots because he is skilled as a ball handler
and because he is so strong, and because he does

(18:48):
have such nice post smooths. And then you look up
and he shoots forty four percent every game because his
touch isn't actually good enough to be the bread and
butter of his scoring arsenal and be efficient. Yet maybe
it gets better.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah, that has you, thank you, thank you. That's just
the key word to me. I just think long term,
it's like he's got the footwork figured out, he can
get to his own shots inside, he's really good with
mismatches on him, He's got great feel still, he's a
good rebounder. Like there's so much there that like, if
he can just add this, it's such a little puzzle

(19:22):
piece to me that, like it's not that hard to
figure out that if he can get a reliable twenty
foot jumper and he can become a better three point shooter.
My thing is he's just got so much time and
the Rockets are so young that like, I think he
really fits this timeline and I think he could be
a star big man for the Rockets. I really don't
think it's that. I don't I don't see it, Like, yeah,

(19:46):
I don't think I don't think he's the Rockets' best player.
I want to be clear about that. I do think
it's a men Thompson. And if we're talking impact in
this series, I think Steven Adams has been better so
but but Sengoon is damn good and the Rockets have
a lot of young talent. I just I see it
with Sengoon Man, I really do see it. He's got
he's got incredible feel, and he's really good on the

(20:07):
block and in the low post. And if he can
just figure out the touch and the jumper, which I
think is going to be an offseason project for him
that he's gonna need to dedicate himself obviously too. I
just see it with Sengoon Man. I think he's gonna
be a stud. But where would you put so, I say,
top three to five center potential, top twenty five. What
are your expectations in comparison to that.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
I could see him being about the twenty fifth best
player in the NBA because he's improved defensively a good
bit this year. That's big. And then if you get
any sort of reliable three point shot and if the
touch gets better, that makes him a significantly more efficient
offensive player. What I was saying in comparison to Sabonis

(20:48):
is one of Sabonis's advantages is how lean his offensive
game is, how seamlessly he fits alongside of their players,
because he's going to be so willing to run handoffs
for you. He's an elite screw or. Like shng Gun
is a guy who wants to play more of that
really post heavy, isoball centric style that can be a
little bit more ball stopping, and he's not nearly as

(21:10):
efficient a basketball player. So again, if the touch gets
better and the scoring efficiency gets a lot better, that
changes things, but at this point, not a very good
offensive number. One would you rather as a player right now? Yeah, okay, yeah,
long term, I think that Shengun can get as good
as Sabonis is right now. That's honestly a realistic rant.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
I'd probably rather have seng Gun right now, but I
don't like Sabonis. I'd rather have Miles Turner right now.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
The sabonas I know how you feel about Sabonis, We're
not going there today. I do think Shangun has been
their best player in this series, like I think Amn
was their best player in the regular season. I think
a Man is certainly their best long term asset. I
think he has a significantly higher ceiling. But Shnggoun, even
with the efficiency stuff like being able to produce with
this volume in this series and compared to the stretches

(21:58):
where a Men has been like I don't even know
what I'm doing offensively, Like that's a real difference, and
Adams has been great, he has He's like a zero
as a score, but my god, the offensive rebounding impact
alone and the defensive impact is massive.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Segun just presents so many matchup problems for the Doves,
just because like he's a he's a problem straight up
at him, like anydo switches inside and they don't have
a ton of size, And what him and Adams can
do collectively together on the glass is really really special.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
You know what number I saw today. This is from
a small sample. You might have actually said this on
the show. This is only from like, I don't know,
sixty minutes. So it's kind of just a fun fact
that you can throw away. But the show, when Adam Shangun, yes,
shout out to them. I got this from them. They're
big NBA guys over there. When Shngun, Adams and the
men play together, the Rockets grab fifty three percent of

(22:48):
their own misses. Fifty three percent, And we actually saw
that lineup today. They haven't done it a ton for
obvious spacing things, but they literally get more than half
of their own misses.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
That's unprecedented, is a huge it's a massive advantage. But
I do think the thing that we have seen the
Rockets kill them late in these games, and what's killed
them overall has been their skill. And because I don't
even want to say it's like inexperience, because I don't
think that's necessarily true for the Rockets. I just think
the Warriors have a massive experience gap, like with their guys,

(23:20):
like you trust Curry Moore, you trust Jimmy Moore, you
trust Dray Moore, these guys to just deliver in these
big moments because they've done it so many times over
and over again. I think the Rockets time is coming,
it's just not right now. But I think it's been
more that skill gap in the shooting limitations of this team.
And I think it's a really simple solution. I think

(23:41):
the Rockets are in a really good spot. It's like
when you have this many young assets and this many
guys that are so versatile, like they're loaded man, and
I think shooting is a really simple thing to figure out,
especially when you've got a guy like Reed Shepherd, who
I think is gonna get real minutes for this team. Eventually,
Rockets are in a good spot. But I'm I'm impressed

(24:01):
with the Doves too. Man, especially for Jimmy to do
this well, for the supporting cast to deliver the way
they delivered, especially down Jimmy last game and then delivering
again in this game, and for Jimmy to just keep fighting. Man,
Jimmy is a warrior. That's a good way to put it,
like just because he's a dove now actually, but you
said it earlier, like Jimmy's a tough MF man and
he's getting fouled, he's playing hurt. He delivers, man, I

(24:25):
believe in I've been said it. Man, give me Jimmy, Dude,
give me Jimmy. And I don't know. I think I
want to move Kate up in my top thirty player rankings.
We'll talk about this later in the offseason. I think
I do want to bump Kate up because Kate has
impressed me in these playoffs. But I still think I
would have Jimmy over Kid, because I know that was
a conversation that we had on that show, just because

(24:45):
of the ceiling versus like floor dynamic, and I feel
the same way about a guy like Turner versus Sabonis. Obviously, Ish, my.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
God, how are we doing this?

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (24:55):
This game has nothing to do with demand anyway.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
But Butler and k that's a really easy comp Butler
is one of those ceiling guys to me that just
bumps you, and I think he really proved that again
in this game. Man, Jimmy is so stamped. I gott
I love Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Man, it's incredible, dude. This performance had me all the
way fired up. And then I didn't see the postgame interview,
but apparently like they asked him, how did you play
forty minutes with this injury? And he said, somebody said
something to me and that's all it tooks. Did you
see him right in Dylan Brooks's face, going you a
bum you a bitch? And then Dylan Brooks said, what
did you say? And he repeats it to him. Jimmy's
one of a kind man. Actually is a guy you

(25:33):
want in your fox just every single day of.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
The week before before we move before we move.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
On, I still got more basketball, So yeah, please go ahead.
No I talk about the refs, talk about this.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Just ripped the bandado. The rest were killing me in
this game in the first half, especially like I didn't
like the double tech on Dre and Curry. I didn't
really understand that at all. I thought Dylan Brooks instigated
a lot of that like with him, just like, don't
fuck with Steph man. Like it's like it's like it's
like the quarterback for the football team. Man, Like if

(26:04):
an old lineman is going to fuck you up if
you mess with that guy, why and why are you
poking Draymond? Like Drey is the last guy I'm sitting
there trying to I hate Dylan Brooks, man. He's such
a little mosquito bro. He makes me so mad. Like anyways,
I thought the rest really mucked up a lot of
this game. You got a later, all the stoppages, all

(26:27):
the reviews, all this like it really messed up the
flow of the game. And then I just thought they
got some of the calls wrong. And Dylan Brooks, I
hate him, man. He can never play for my basketball team.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
We do have a chat on this very topic from
Walter thank you for your generous donation, who says Tech
against Curry was downright atrocious. I agree. I have no
idea how you justify teaming up Steph in that spot.
Literally all you do is flash two fouls. Like if
I go up to you, Logan and I say your
hat your brim is I didn't get on and then
you punched me in the face, like that's my fault.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Bro, Dylan was trying to take the ball from him
and being all physical and touch and Steph, I think
was just talking to him and stupid. It's so dumb like.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
And by the way, I didn't mean that about your bram.
I was just thinking about something that people say sometimes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
I don't really listen to the haters anyway, man.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
No, it looks good, it looks good. I was just,
you know, I couldn't really say anything mean to you, Logan.
I think you're a flyish human being's fresh as fuck. Yeah,
that didn't make sense to me. And I saw a
bunch of people saying that they wanted to see Draymond
ejected from this game. I thought the refs handled it
really well. I thought that the flagrant was a good
happy medium of being like rockets, you deserve to be

(27:39):
rewarded with free throws for this, because that was unnecessary
from Draymond. But do you really want to see him
thrown out of a playoff game? Because it's like, if
they had done it, I would have understood it, and
I would have been okay with it, but I also
understand them going this route, and I'm very consistently just
anti ejection, Like I think, unless you do something egregious,
we should be keeping the best play in these basketball

(28:01):
games because that's what we want to see. It's the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Oh, that would have ticked me off in a major way.
I had the TV muted for a second and I
thought they had tossed him when he was talking in
the third quarter. What did you think? I thought they
way they blew the the thing with Tarr Easton, I
thought they blew that way out of proportion, like the
I thought that was all circumstantial, and the only reason

(28:25):
they looked at that a lot was because it was
Draymond and his reputation as a player Like I like that.
I thought they blew that way out of way, out
of proportion. Yeah, and I thought that was all.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I thought that was worse you thought interaction. I didn't
really think Drey deserved a TECH for the whole Brooks thing.
I thought it was crazy the Warriors ended up with
more techs and it was the rocket shooting free throws
after that, because I thought Dylan Brooks was clearly the
problem in that interaction in the Tari one. Draymond needs

(28:57):
to get more comfortable with people standing over him without
doing things that look like he's trying to kick people
in the nuts. That's what I'll say, because just with
his reputation, you know they're going to be looking for that,
and there's a little kick there that's unnecessary. It didn't connect.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
You're talking about the end with his head, that one.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
I'm talking about when Tari's standing over him and then
comes into the picture and he just like kind of
kicks his leg out a little bit.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
It was I don't know. I will say this, I
really like the intensity between Houston and Golden State. It
makes for a great basketball environment, Like you feel the
stakes and these guys hate each other. And I really
enjoy not guys hating each other, but that competitive fire
because it adds so much to the experience in the environment.
So I like how contentious it's been. I just wish

(29:44):
the refs would stop messing with the flow as much. Man.
I thought they I thought they looked at calls a
little bit too long. I thought they intervened a little
bit too much in this one, and I thought they
got that whole first double tech situation with Dre and
stuff completely wrong. But I wouldn't be surprised if Temper's
flair again man in this next game, Like, I think

(30:07):
we could be in for some moritus man Like, dudes,
I thought we were going to get a fight. I'm
not gonna lie in this game, man, I thought they
were a bet to scrap.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
I can't believe we haven't gotten a fight fight in
any series in these playoffs, like obviously the whole Aaron
Gordon Harden Christian Brown thing that got very close, But
we haven't gotten a situation where somebody actually throws a
punch or somebody gets thrown out, which I'm happy about it.
I want without the full on fight. I think they

(30:35):
weren't right in the sweet spot right now.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
I'm just I mean to expecting Dubbs. Yeah, Dubs, Rockets
or Knicks Pistons. I keep waiting on somebody to throw
a punch in one of them.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, those are probably the best two candidates. I will
say a few more basketball things from this. Jalen Green
was a disaster in this game and is obviously extremely
volatile as a player, but the turnovers were just killer
in this one. Five turnovers in twenty.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Five hoods too man like, even like little stuff like that,
Like he was just a negative tonight.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
It's flat out negative, so careless with the ball. And
that's a benefit of this Rockets roster. They have so
many good basketball players that they can close without a
number of their guys and still put a good lineup
out there. But three out of four games in this series,
he's been quite bad. Game three, he wasn't like egregiously bad,

(31:28):
he just really didn't do all that much and they
were showing some more aggressive coverages to him. Games one
and four he's been like, really really actively bad, and
I think that that's probably tough for Rockets fans to see,
but really not all that surprising with him. I will
say one key area where the Rockets lost this game
and have consistently shot themselves in the foot in this series.

(31:50):
They're sixty two percent from the line logan. I believe
this was the worst free throw shooting team in the
NBA in the regular season. It's not surprising when you're
sending Sheng Goon and a men and sometimes Steven Adams
to the line. But it's been really, really bad. And
if they shoot twenty three of thirty one. If they're
at seventy five percent from the line, they win this

(32:10):
basketball game. So I think that that is definitely something
that they have to be kicking themselves over. I thought
that although their offense definitely looked better, like the Warriors
really gave them life at the end of that first
half with the turnovers, just so many bad turnovers in
a short sequence, and then they really cleaned that up
in the second half, which was big. So those are

(32:32):
basically the other keys that we hadn't touched on. And
I will say, if I'm the Rockets, as I mentioned,
I'm playing Steven Adams more and I'm playing Kevon Looney
if I'm the Warriors, to counter those minutes, especially when
Dre isn't available.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
D' rocking with the tj De minutes, bro.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
TJD was awful and like, that's just an unfair spot
to put him in. Man, he hasn't played in the
entire playoffs. He gets in there and it's like every
sequence on both sides of the court, he's doing something wrong.
He has a bad screen angle, Steph gets caught up
with him when they're trying to run pick and roll.
He travels He's got two bad fouls on the other

(33:08):
end on the same possession he misses a dunk. He's
a terrible finishing big. He gets cooked by Shengoon. Like TJD.
Just did not look like he belonged in that basketball
game whatsoever. And we all know who Kevon Looney is.
At least the guy can go out there. He's the
best physical counter by far that the Warriors have to
Adams on the glass. Just as a big body, He's

(33:29):
also got insane instincts there and is going to be
in the right positions. He's a capable interior defense.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
We're not letting people forget about.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
He's smart. A legend, bro, he is a legend, and
like I'm seeing people say he's washed, Like, first of.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
All, step into any game and give you good minutes. Man,
Luney is a good player, bro, be tolerated.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
He's a hell of a lot more solid than TJD is,
that's for sure. I'm really excited to see where this
series goes from here. But the Warriors are going to
win with Jimmy Butler on the floor, They're just clearly
the better team. That's why it's so huge that they
got Game three without him, And I don't know if
Jimmy can replicate this performance considering how injured he is,

(34:15):
but I'm certainly not gonna say that he can't.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Jalen Green got to be better. I mean, that's that's
the biggest things. Way better for Houston for me.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
I mean, like, or you just go away from him
entirely and you keep him maybe floor maybe if he's
going to be running a significant amount of their offense,
then he has to be a lot better. But that's
just the challenge. I mean, nobody has been consistently good
offensively for the Rockets in this series. Sheng Goon has
come the closest, and still like he hasn't been able

(34:42):
to consistently generate really good shots when they need it.
Last little tidbit from this game. Rockets ran thirty one
possessions of zone went to the zone way more in
this one. Warriors generated thirty one points against it, So
their offense did okay. And again I think it was
really the shooting of Pods and Buddy and Post in
a couple spots that came through there and was able

(35:03):
to get the Warriors good enough offense to come out
with a massive win in this game, even without a
special Steph performance. We've got one more super chat, Derek,
we see you, Apologies keeping you waiting for this long.
We're gonna get to that question, which I'm excited answer
after a quick break for some morts for DraftKings, and
then we're gonna talk about the Cavs putting away the
heat tonight. The NBA eighty two game grind is done,

(35:36):
and now the real fun begins. The NBA Playoffs are
here and it's time for all the high stakes drama,
clutch moments, and jaw dropping plays. I can't wait. If
you're looking to make the playoffs even more exciting, DraftKings
sportsbook has you covered as an official sports betting partner

(35:56):
of the NBA from the playing games all the way
through to the final Now's the time to back your
favorite players and teams as they chase glory All season long.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
DraftKings has been the go to spot for NBA player
props and that doesn't stop now. Want to make your
playoff experience even more intense, try placing a bet on
your favorite player's performance. Will they drop thirty points, forty
or more? It's your call? Ready to place your first bet?
Download the DraftKings sports Book app. Now lock in your
bets and let's make this playoff run unforgettable.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Here's something special for first timers. New DraftKings customers. Bet
five dollars to get two hundred dollars in bonus bets.
Instantly make it a playoff run to remember with DraftKings.
Download the DraftKings sports Book app and use code nerds.
That's code nerds for new customers to get two hundred
dollars in bonus bets when you bet just five bucks

(36:50):
only on DraftKings. The Crown is yours.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Gambling problem called one eight hundred gambler in New York
called eight seven to seven eight hope and Why, or
text hope and Why six seven three sixty nine. In Connecticut,
help is available for a problem gambling called eight eight
eight seven eight nine seven seven seven seven or visit
CCPG dot org. Please play responsibly on behalf of Boothill
Casino when resorting Kansas twenty one and over. Agent eligibility
varies by jurisdiction, Voyden, Ontario. Bonus Betskspire one hundred and

(37:16):
sixty eight hours, zeph Rischuins four. Additional terms and responsible
gaming resources see dkng dot co slash audio.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I'm seeing someone coping hard with Jalen Green's performance in
the chat. Brother, I'm just gonna pray for you. I'm
just gonna pray that you can ignore the six and
seven four for fifteen games and then all you cling
on to is that one thirty eight point performance. God
be with you, man. It's the Jalen Green experience. We
do have an interesting super chat from Derek. Which modern

(37:52):
big would you take to guard prime Shack Big, Zoo
or Steven Adams.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
They both chopped give me Zoo.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
I guess I think Zoo as well. I think Zoo
just for like the raw height aspect of it's such
a massive human being.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Sick serv of them.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
I think they both have like seven to five wingspans.
They've both got insane strength. Steven Adams is even stronger
than Zoo, but I will take the size in terms
of height that I'm getting with Zoo. There, let's talk
about the Cleveland Cavaliers logan beating the Miami Heat by
a light fifty five points without Darius Garland on the

(38:33):
floor for the second consecutive game. After winning by thirty
seven points in Game three, they set the record for
point differential in a playoff series in NBA history plus
one twenty two across four games. That's a point differential
of plus thirty point five per game. What do you

(38:54):
have to say about those Cleveland Cavaliers logan.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Built to ass beata handling business. Yeah, man, I'm impressed. Broh.
The Calves whooped that ass tonight. Last night was I mean,
the other night with the Calves was crazy too, because
you only got thirteen points out of Mitchell and Garland
didn't play. It was kind of sad, man. I just

(39:20):
felt bad for Miami, like it's hard to stay competitive
in that environment. We did see some cool buzzer beaters.
I think Davion Mitchell cashed one from half at the
end of the first half, and then I think Ty
Jerome hit won at the end of the third quarter.
That was pretty cool. I'm blown away by this Calves offense, though, man,
Like how easy it looks for them at times, and
how how they play together, Like everybody is so committed

(39:44):
to manufacturing good looks for one another, like DeAndre Hunter,
like attacking closeouts and serving little dump off passes to
Mobili for easy dunks. Everybody can shoot dude. Ti Jerome
had some ridiculous shots in this game where it's crazy
because the house slow he moves off the dribble, but
he's just cash some games and he hit some big
ones in this one. The Cavs just manufacture offense so easily,

(40:09):
and everybody compliments one another, and everybody does their role
at such a high job. They've got a lot of
offensive talent, and that's what I'm really looking forward to,
man against Boston, Like they're gonna have to hold up
enough in those mismatches I think against you know, with
Garland and Mitchell on the floor, but I really want,

(40:30):
I really think the Caves are gonna be able to
generate some good looks on offense. And I'm so impressed
with Kenny Atkinson in this entire system, in this entire
the entire way the offense works, man, like it really is.
Do you think it's the best offense in the league?
Are they number one?

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I do?

Speaker 1 (40:47):
They made it look And I get Miami's not like
the best team, but they made it look so easy
in this series, and they're just so much better with
DeAndre Hunter, man, I think he's a really important upgrade
for them. But that's my thing, man. I think this
could be the best offense in the league.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
I think it is the best offense in the league.
First of all, statistically, end to end this year, it's
one of the greatest offenses in NBA history. It's the
number nine relative offense that we have ever seen. And
then they go into a playoff series and they put
up an offensive rating of one thirty six against the Heat, again,
half of that without one of their top two offensive players.

(41:24):
I do think it's the best offense in the league.
I think it's the best pick and roll attack in basketball.
It was the most efficient and the highest volume in
the league this year, and nobody else has two pick
and roll creators of the caliber of Mitchell and Garland.
And then I think there's so much elite shooting around them.
This is a top two three point shooting team in
terms of volume and percentage. And they do such a

(41:48):
great job with their spacing, with cutting. Just such efficient,
smart offense. And then they also have so much talent
and they have so much depth offensively. Man Max Struce,
absolute sharpshooter who's also a good playmaker. DeAndre Hunter elite shooter,
really good score, Sam Merrill's got the strap like Dean

(42:08):
Wade can shoot the ball. Ty Jerome is the best
offensive bench guard in basketball. He literally gives you star
production on insane efficiency per minute, and every time that
you play him thirty minutes, like he just goes crazy.
What do you average in this series? Like seventeen a
game on great efficiency? Seventeen points in five.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Gay legend, Ty Jerome Man. We tried to tell him, bro.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
I've read the numbers so many times, but he is
just absolutely phenomenal and like can actually be the best
offensive player on the floor in a big game. And
that's not an exaggeration. Look at Game one of this series.
So they do have so much talent and so much depth,
and so much creation and so much play finishing at
the rim with their bigs and so much shooting. They

(42:55):
check so many boxes. But I really do think it's
one of the all time great coaching jobs by Kenny Atkins.
I don't think that's hyperbole. Logan, what was the hold
up with this cast team last year? Was there? Off?

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Well, I will cut him, I will cut bickerstaff a
little bit of slack. I do think that blah blah
blah blah. Yeah, I mean, I know, I mean that's important,
Like I wouldn't downplay that aspect of the Cavs season,
but it has looked so much better. It has looked
so much better. I mean Garland was off, you know,
they didn't have Jared Allen, Like I do want to

(43:28):
cut them some slack with.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
That, but but I'm saying the entire year it was
a totally immediate I mean.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
They took a huge leap, like they soared from a
I think they were I don't know this off the
top of my head. I want to say they were
below like a bottom half offense.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
They were sixteenth in offensive ratings last year. The series
against Orlando was an absolute slog. So of course I'm
not actually down playing Darius. Garland is a totally different
player than he was last year. Evan Mobley is a
totally different player than he was last year. Do you
give some credit to Kenny for that, sure, but also
of it, especially in the Garland case, I think where
he's bouncing back from injuries that were nagging him last year. Like,

(44:06):
give the player the credit, but to go from sim
sickly teenth and offensive rating last year to ninth in
terms of relative offense in NBA history, logan to take
that leap in one year without that many personnel changes.
They get Ty Jerome healthy and in the rotation for
this year. That's a big Yeah, played him twenty five minutes,

(44:26):
but he did also get hurt. Last year, they get
DeAndre Hunter midway through the season, but they were already
the number one offense in the league at that point. Like,
I just think he has done such a job offense.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
I mean, empowering Evan Mobley to do his thing, getting
the resurgence from Darius Garland. Like I don't want to
give the players a ton of credit too, like they're
this team has is full of great basketball players, but ye,
Kenny Atkinson, it's it's everybody. And I just think that
they're a serious if Jason Tatum is off as a
score And also I didn't talk about this. I wanted him.

(45:00):
I was looking at my ant take. I think and
is now battling Curry and Tatum for that. I don't
know when it's gonna happen, but I think, what's up, bro.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
I just went to drink water and there wasn't any
water there.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
It's tough. I already drank it all you wanta go
refill it? And I was, yeah, bro, nope, power He's
gonna power through. I think Ant's battling Tatum and Curry
for that five and six spot. And if Tatum is
gonna be off as a score, I think that's a
little bit of a conversation. But like they need, they're

(45:34):
vulnerable if KP and Tatum are gonna be off, if
they're gonna be inconsistent. Like, I don't think it's a
sure thing that the Celtics are gonna mow down the
Cavs with the level that they're playing at currently.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, I mean, I think that we can save that
conversation for when we get there, which we will. That's
going to be the conference finals. That's been written stone
since very early in the season in my opinion, but
I said this yesterday, I do trust the Calves offense
more than Boston's offense. I just think in a vacuum
they are more reliably great. I do think that Boston, though,

(46:10):
has an advantage in terms of their ability to attack
defensive week points for the Calves who do not exist
for Boston. And I'm basically talking about Darius Garland, who
they have gone at every possession down the floor, and
Boston's gotten great shots doing that. But the Calves are
like basically going to produce a one to twenty offensive
rating even against an elite defense like Boston, and you

(46:33):
have to beat that. You have to be even better
than that and really really take maximum advantage of Cleveland's
couple of limitations on the defensive end, because offensively you're
not slowing them down. So they're special there. I just
want to see them get their respect. If I see
one more twenty fifteen Hawks comparison, I'm gonna throw up.

(46:54):
I talked about this, but the Calves were top twenty
in NBA history in net rating this year. The twenty
fifteen Hawks were like two hundredth or something like. They're
not comparable in terms of their dominance or in terms
of their talent in any way. Like just because a
team doesn't have a top five player, or because maybe
they're new to you and you don't watch them a

(47:14):
lot in the regular season doesn't mean that they're frauds.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Man.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
The Calves are nasty, and if the Celtics weren't as
great as they are, the Calves would be the favorite
to come out of the East and they absolutely can
still beat the Celtics. I'd pick the Celtics in that
series today, but i'd pick it in seven. I think
that that is a fight. What I will say about
this specific game that reflects very poorly on Miami is
that it was Cleveland who came out with way more intensity.

(47:40):
Like it's not just the Calves doing their perfect offense
thing that they're capable of, Like they're getting the offensive rebounds,
they're getting the steals, Jared Allen is just taking the
ball from them when they're throwing.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
The team got a belief beaten out of them, like
they got their spirit taken.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
And I mean, you heard.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
What did you hear what Hero had to say, Like
he's being I heard him.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Say we're not going down in four?

Speaker 1 (48:03):
After Game three, I heard one of the quotes was like,
of course we needed Jimmy to like really essentially it
was like to really be competitive. But it was just
kind of a sad state of a you know what
I mean, Like he was basically saying like we're not
we're not a real competitor, and like obviously that's stating
the obvious, but just a bad look. I don't know, man,

(48:25):
I didn't even yes, I think the Heat came out
with lower intensity, but I felt like the talent and
skill gap was just embarrassing. Like watching I'm not even
trying to hate on the guy man because he's an
NBA player, but like watching Haywood high Smith like try
to create offense, and like watching he just don't have
the guys man. And it's unfortunate for them because they've

(48:45):
got a lot of complimentary basketball players but that I like,
but they need that high end offensive player and unfortunately
it's the hardest asset to find in uh in basketball. Yeah,
I mean the intensity was low, but like the skill
gap is so huge between these teams. Man, this, uh yeah,
I don't think the Heat had to spirit in them anymore. Man,
I think the Cavs kind of took that from him.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
No, this was embarrassing all the same though, And like
I'm seeing some people downplay the caz performance to say, oh,
don't hike them up because this is the heat and
they're not a playoff caliber team. It doesn't make me
think back to Game one on the broadcast, they mentioned
to Kenny Atkinson quote where he was like, this isn't
your normal eight seed, this is a four seed that
we're playing, and I was like, yeah, no, they're not.

(49:29):
They're actually a ten seed that just did their play
in Voodoo Magic and used heat culture to get them
to this point. Obviously there's a massive talent discrepancy, even
with Garland off the floor, but I still thought that
the heat were disappointing. I picked this to be a sweep,
but I didn't pick the last two games to be
decided by ninety two combined points. I thought that this
was a disgraceful Tyler hero performance. Honestly, I thought that

(49:52):
he was horrible defensively all series, targeted relentlessly on that end,
but to end the series also averaging under eighteen points
per game and under three assists per game on fifty
one percent true shooting, Like, that's really rough. That's very
disappointing from him. Bam is who he is offensively, man
just super inconsistent, especially when he doesn't have someone who

(50:14):
can reliably create for him, and he's got a tough
matchup in Evan Mobley, but settling for the jumpers a lot.
Ends this series at seventeen and a half points per
game on fifty one percent tru shooting. That's just not
good enough. Wiggins was basically a no show in this series.
After Game one. He gives you eleven on forty eight
percent true shooting in this series. So what's next for Miami?

(50:40):
Throw your hands up.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Have you considered that they're the grittiest, nastiest, toughest, hardest
hitting safety in the league.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
I think there are no man's land, dude, Like you
think about the organizational infrastructure with Miami, like you like
Riley and you like Spolstra, But they've always had competitive teams,
Like even when you know they had that little down
skid with Dragich and Richardson and like you know, like Whiteside,
like that team was competitive in always. And I don't

(51:13):
know what juice is in the towel left for Spolster
to ring out, Like when you have a guy like
Jimmy and Bam, you got the faith, like they're gonna
take us somewhere, you know, I don't know if it's
the championship, but they're gonna we're gonna go battle in
the playoffs and be competitive. I don't know, man, they
like they need such a franchise changing asset that just

(51:36):
doesn't exist. It's just not out there, and so yeah,
I guess you're praying that. I don't know, man, Yovic
gets a lot better that Hakis gets. I don't know, man,
I'm what do you think, dude. I think they're kind
of in purgatory right now. They're floating.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Yeah. I think they are probably in the most mediocre
position in the entire NBA, which is honest worse than that,
because they are just right in no man's land, like
they are mid as hell. Bam. I still think is
probably underrated right now because this just isn't the right

(52:14):
situation for him to thrive. He's not somebody who's supposed
to have to take on this sort of offensive volume
and create for himself at this level. He's still such
a special defensive player and does really good things offensively,
but he's like a fringe top thirty player, hero, good
offensive player, but not somebody who to me is like

(52:36):
really all Star caliber. I understand that he made the
All Star team this year and he had a really
good season, but when those guys are your building blocks,
you have a really really hard ceiling on you as
a team. I think the guys who you look at internally,
who you're most optimistic about developing. Are Jovich and Khalil Ware,

(52:56):
both of whom I do like and I do think
will keep improving. Is either them gonna be the guy
who changes your outlook, who reaches an all star ceiling? No,
I just think they're gonna be good basketball players. So
when you consider that they are just going to be
in the spot, I know you love Khalil where I.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Could see Khalil Wear getting there, getting close All Star steep.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
But he's talented, man, he is very talented. I do
think he's going to be a really good player. And
I think Jovich is gonna be good too, And Yobich
already is very solid and Khalue Wears already very solid
for a rookie. But like, what's the ceiling gonna be? Man?
If that's your core four, where do you win literally
forty four games forty five.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Right there in the play in every year? Man?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yeah, break through?

Speaker 1 (53:37):
I mean they literally would need.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
A Miami miracle, you would.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
You need some money to open up, and you need
a star to want to come and play for you,
like if you plugged a star in there. They're you know,
fifty win team competitive, Like they're a good squad. But
I would like to see Bam get moved on to
a spot with a lead guard where he could really
get some easy look spoon fit to.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I wish he could play with James Harden. I wish
he could play with Trey Yung. Yeah, I'm thinking like
a straight up pick and roll point guard who's going
to just feed him looks around the rim. Though. I've
always wanted Bamm to have that guy.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
And san Antonio with his Kentucky buddy deeron. You could
play him and Wemby together and be ridiculous defense.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
That would be interesting. There's somebody else who I'm looking
at for san Antonio, somebody even bigger logan, somebody who
will get to on another show, an even bigger fish
than Bam because I dream big for Wemby. Somebody else
who you could see a dual, big look with Wemby.
But we'll discuss that on another show once that team
season is over. This is ominous, No, it's intriguing. You

(54:43):
should be excited by it. I will say, man like,
they're just going to be in this mediocre range and
they have mediocre talents. I think they should pay davey
On Mitchell like fifteen million dollars a year. The Rogier
contract being on the books for another year. That's tough
twenty six million to him, obviously not justifying that Hawkes
getting worse in his sophomore year. That's obviously a tough break.

(55:08):
There's just not a lot up.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
There, Harry ros a zero now, bro, Like, who the
hell wants Terry Rozier to come and play basketball for him?

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Yeah, you're just gonna have to lose that contract.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
I was so excited when they traded for Rozier because
I thought, well, obviously they had Jimmy at the time too, but.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Well he was hooping for Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
I thought he could be a real difference maker for Miami,
and he has just been a bad I mean, Rosier
has been bad since he got to Miami. I'm I'm disappointed. Man.
They they felt a long way. And the one thing though, Man,
you just can't let the pieces that you got for
Jimmy like walk for nothing. Like at the end of
the day, you know what I mean, Like if you

(55:46):
got to flip like Wiggins or you got to get
something out of those guys, man, you can't just lose
them for nothing.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
I mean, I think for the team that they're gonna
try to be, which knowing them, is a scrappy Miami
Heat team just like this one. Like, I think they're
probably gonna be okay forty games because they're just kind
of wired that way. Like, obviously they'd rather win fifty,
but if the choice is forty or twenty, the Miami
Heat tend to prefer to do what they can to
win forty games. And Wiggans is still a good contributor

(56:13):
in that context. He had a really really bad playoff series,
but he's quite a good basketball player, good two way contributor.
I would trade him though, if the right offer were
to present itself. They don't have their own pick this year, Logan,
that's going to guess it, just guess who would it
make the most sense for it to be going to.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
This is Miami's first round pick.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yeah, it's going to the Thunder hoow. They just got
them all. They have them all. Yeah, so after that
they mostly have their own first but they're not gonna
bottom out. Yeah this year.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Yikes. Yeah, that sucks, dude, there's actually wow. That sucks.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Man.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
I was banking for them to at least get a
rotational guy with it pick, but think again, buddy, Oklahoma
City's got them all.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yeah, listen, you can't keep a good thing going forever. Obviously,
Jimmy leaving was a breaking point for this team being
a legitimate competitor, and realistically they were just kind of
hanging on. The finals run in twenty twenty three was
something of a miracle, and then if they weren't going
to get the Dame trade done, if they weren't going
to bring in somebody who could really upgrade their offensive ceiling,

(57:26):
it was always kind of headed towards this point. And
now here we are, sorry, Heat fans, not a great
spot to be in. But at least hero had a
really good season. Bro, I think Bam will have a
better year end to end next season because he got
off to such a slow start this year and Jovich
khalil Ware tal hero Tyler.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Herold looked good this year though. I mean he didn't
have a great series. No, he did get a really
great season.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yeah, he did, for sure, easily the best basketball he's played.
Just a disappointing playoff series for him and for the
whole team. On that note, let's wrap this thing, Logan.
We still found a way to yap for an hour
about these two games. Unbelievable what we can do with
this gabin, but that Warriors game was incredible. And shout
out to the Cleveland Cavaliers for taking care of business,

(58:12):
and shout out to all of you guys for joining
us for this live and for joining us throughout these playoffs.
We hope that you have enjoyed the basketball as much
as we have. This has been my favorite first round
of the NBA playoffs ever, and we hope that you
have enjoyed our post game yap if you have. The
good news is there is so much more of it
still to come and already out there. But we've been

(58:33):
live every night so far in these playoffs. We're gonna
be live again tomorrow night. And on top of that,
which you can find on our YouTube channel either live
or you can listen back after the fact, we also
have our video essays and video breakdowns. I'm really hoping
that I'm gonna have this video that I've already mentioned
a couple times done tomorrow and if I wrap that
puppy up, hope you guys go watch it and enjoy.

(58:55):
You can also listen to all of our full episodes
across all audio platforms. You can follow us across TikTok,
Instagram at nerd Sash, Twitter at nerd underscore Sash to
see clicks from the show, graphics from the show, and
all of our short form trivia content, and you can
join our discord if you want to chat with the gang.
So with that, first of all, Logan, is there anything
you'd like to say? Nas read Nas read Baby doesn't

(59:18):
play until Wednesday, but he does play again soon. As always,
I've been Carson Braber

Speaker 1 (59:24):
I've been Logan Camden and this was nerd Sash