Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Terron Armstead react to Philadelphia Eagles Saquon Barkley comments on retirement, Shedeur Sanders talks about what he’s going to do for rookie hazing next year, and who has the best NFL atmosphere and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Pine Bluff from Belleville, Illinois, and he still holds the
record for the fastest offensive lineman for forty yard dash
time in the Combine history at four seven one. Here
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O Joe. In the twenty thirteen Combine, Tehran recorded the
fastest forty for an offensive lineman in Combine history, a
record that still stands to this day.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
It was close.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Lane Johnson ran four seven two, but Toront's record of
four to seven one is close. And if I'm not mistaken,
they're the only two offensive linemans that's run in the
four sevens. They've been a couple of runs low four eights,
but no other lineman other than Tehran at four seven one.
Lane Johnson at four seven two have been in the
offensive lineman have been in the four seventh so as
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of yet. So now we're thirteen years in counting twenty
thirteen to twenty fifteen, and Toront still held that record. Turan, Look,
you're coming out of Arkansas Pine Bluff and it's not
like it used to be. There used to be a
plethora of guys coming out of HBCUs and so that
would have been nothing.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But here it is.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Now we're in the twenty tens and we get an
offensive lineman, you're three times swack All Conference player, and
you go to the Combine. What were your expectations? Did
you know you had this kountability in you?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I knew I had the talent and the speed and
agility to showcase. I just had to get to the showcase.
So it was really huge for me to get that
Combine invite. That was that was monumental for me trying
to get more exposure, to get more eyes to my
to my tape. So I knew that I was going
to go. I was going for the record for sure,
Like before I even before we got to Indy, I
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was going for the record out I wanted to run.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Faster honestly than that. But I'll take the four seven Hey,
but six four three five, that's that's what I get
ready to ask you.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I'll get to ask you how tall you were and
how much you weighed to be able to run that. Listen,
I ain't running before five, so technically by you right
there with.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Me, right there on your neck.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, no, I was six six five three old six
I believe three or four at the combine.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Wow, so you knew, you knew? So what was if
I'm not, I don't know what the record was? What
was the record? What was the fastest forty time for
an offensive lineman before you broke it? It was four
a four for a four. While you didn't break it,
you obliterately needed it.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I needed it. I needed all that. I needed that
that my moment.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I was on NFL network dot com NFL dot com
for like two hours.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I needed all of it. So the scouts can go
watch my film.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Okay, so now you go run that forty yard dashtime
you run four seven one, and that's really the order.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
They want you to jump high, Yeah, they want you
to do too. But speed is what captivates their tension.
Now you an offensive lineman. You never gonna be able
to unwind that four seven one again, But you just
wanted to put that on tape to let them see, Look,
you got a phenomenal athlete.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yes, I went to Arkansas Pine Bluff.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, I know you're gonna downgrade me talk about who
did I flock and who did I play against, But
I'm gonna come and showcase my skills and let you
see and then the kiffs fall what they may. So
when you read that time, did you know, like, okay,
I got their undivided attention.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I'm about to get drafted.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And know for sure we have special talents down there
in these HBCUs all across the country.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
We do. So I just needed the opportunity to showcase
my skill. I knew what time it was. I was
going for the vertical record too.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I missed that by half an inch, so like I
knew that I was going to be able to make
that splash, and like I say again, I needed it.
I really needed that chance to get all the scouts
just to watch my fam I wouldn't ask you for
no favorites, but just check out the film and see
the dominance Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Now, also when I look at the officer line position,
as fast as you were, you know, as far as
running the forty, did you have an advantage as far
as your footwork goes when it came to playing offensive
line as well? Because most of the time, obviously, you know,
playing officer line is all about your hand placement in
your footwork and we always being being balanced.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Did that give you the advantage? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
No, My athletic says to my agility that those were
my strengths when I played throughout my twelve year career
because I'm six five, three or four, not the biggest tackle,
not necessarily the strongest season. But I'm on your ass.
So was the ball snap you know what I mean?
A lot of jump says, I had to use that
in my game. So, uh findal ways to play in
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my strength, and I was using my speed.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Were you always an offensive lineman cuts out? I mean
we were that kind of fast twitch. You might have
been a you might have been a tight end at
some point in time in your career.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Were you always an offensive lineman? Back in my hometown Cochi, Illinois,
we went off of speed. That's what we do.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
We run, So I was a defensive lineman in off
of Salami, but I would go play seven on seven
with the guys corner, safety, receiver, whatever. Yeah, it really
was like that, really was like that, you can't do
that shit no more. But I really was like that,
I can't move like that no morel too with fit.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Look you mentioned you say so you were thirty four,
thirty four right now thirty three thirty three to run
you walk away from the game. You're only thirty three
lineman normally played in at thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight.
We saw Jackie Slayter play twenty years and he retired
at forty plus. And you see linemen especially, I don't
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know your injury history. That's why, that's why I'm going
with this. Why walk away from the game and all
that chip out there? You see that money, so how
it is. It's a lot of freshly trended money out there,
for sure, But yeah it is. Yes, indeed, I got
a man.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
God blessed me with so many great moments and great
years and a great career.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Uh, my injury history is extensive. It is, it is.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It is long, and I've been through it, and that's
really the part for me is my body.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
You know, I love this game.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I mentally, cerebrally, I can play the game for forever,
you know. But it's just physically and I'm and I'm
okay with saying that that that my body is slowing
down its movements and abilities, that I just can't perform
at at the same level.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And I take so much pride in my.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Film up that, Yeah, man, it has to look a
certain way, like every time I step on the field,
that has to look pro Bowl, all pro like. That's
the that's the brand I wanted to leave, so I
never want to leave. Got out there getting my getting
whooped on. That ain't that can't happen.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
You know what, It takes a lot.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
It takes a lot of awareness, self awareness at that
for a player of your caliber, or any player that's
played in the NFL, that's played at a high level,
to understand what it's time to call the quist. Most
of the time we will ride, we'll ride the ride
the car to the wheels fall off, you know, regard
for you know what, I don't look the same. At
what moment did you realize that, you know what, I
really don't have it to be to.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Play at the All Pro or or or Pro Bowl
level anymore. What moment did it hit you?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, I've been dealing with a knee since my third
year in the league, but it's been with me from
for my entire career.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
So man, just I'll speak on this year alone.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I didn't see a practice field like at all, and
not because I didn't want to or the Dolphins just
wanted me to rest. It's like I literally couldn't walk,
you know, I couldn't after a game on Sunday. I
wouldn't be able to walk on my own, you know,
under my own power until Wednesday, Thursday. So I was
only able to play under under under the payment is
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I couldn't put any pressure on my knee.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So it was like, I can't keep doing that to myself. Man,
we uh it comes to.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
That time, Yeah, thirty three and you now you get
to be forty and all of a sudden, you're like, man,
what my livers shutting down, my kidneys and all the
other things from taking those pain medicine Because I know
I've seen I've seen linemen have to take vikinging. Just
the practice I get, I get the game. I get
the game. I really do because you know that's once
a week, but the practice ahead.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, no, that's crazy's and that's what I was the
norm for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I didn't. I didn't want to fall in that cycle,
right right.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But the thing Azcho was saying, it takes su space
because to the cat, to the lay person, they don't,
they don't, they don't, they don't really see what you know.
And the thing is is that when you it's kind
of hard to let go and not practice because as
an offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Sets for everything.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You weren't going to jump set when you paid a
lazy fat don't we And and the thing is you got
to practice that during the course of a week. It's
hard for an offensive lineman to just go out there
on a Sunday jump set. Quick said, hey, stab whatever
the case may be, and just go. And you going
against the best of the best. You said it, you
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said it's the reps. It's especially for office line play.
We were so based.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
It's based on technique and uh toim and and all
the hand placement and not not to mention the cohesiveness
of everyone, because you know, we're the only unit that
never comes off the field outside of the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
That's one person.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
But we're the only unit that never comes off the field,
so that chemistry and time and it just is really
tough not getting those practice reps and then preparing mentally
for Max Crosby and Miles Garrett.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
And that's not okay, keep doing that, dealing with TJ. Wattson.
I can't keep doing that, man with no practice.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Like, come on, man, boys, like you said, you talk
about your offense Tehran, you talk about your t excuse me,
you talk about your offensive linement, and like, okay, they
get somebody else in there to practice it. But you
and that left guard, y'all need to be cohesive. You
need to like be on the same level and pass
it off because if you're on different levels, guy, go
hit that crack and now everybody's like, man, y'all hate
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judge it, but see, you might be a little slow,
he might've been a little fast, and now all of
a sudden you give up a sack when y'all should
have had that situation covered. I know, I look and
everybody doesn't do it the same because I remember practicing
with Gary Zimmerman, who's the who's the two decade All
decade player in the eighties and the nineties.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
He went to the Hall of Fame, but he didn't like.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
He didn't like me, the chip block, he didn't like.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
He like sharpy.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Don't touch he said, if I if I jumped, said it, man,
you hit him, you on the knock him inside, and
now I can't get him, and everybody goes back.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I got so don't touch it.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, that's the real thing, especially especially if you have
a big physical tight end like like yourself.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So like you hitting him too hard?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
He getting momentum, he getting like a joke into the
to the nside move you know what. I got him
to get out the way, get open, get over Jonathan
ja O. Now I played with j O Jonathan Auga.
Whos the first battlet Hall of Famer. He like, hey,
knock him, knock him out if you can't.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
For me. And depends on who it is man who
over there exactly?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
But you, like you said, certain offensive linemen they want
some I mean, hey, stick and stay or some guys
like don't touch it. But like you said, that practice
like for an offensive lineman and seeing like like I said,
I've worked with Zam for like four years, work with
Jail for two years, and to see what they go
through because they're working on their sets.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
They ate, they kicking. Uh, am I gonna stab him?
Am I gonna quick? Sitting? Am I gonna jump setting?
What am I gonna do? And not? In the game?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Man, I want to jump set? But that need bother you. Now,
I can't.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I can't. I can't see. I can't do what I
want to do.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I mean the mind is and say do that that.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You can't do that? No, you can't do it no more.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
When it came to playing the left tackle position, now,
I think about my approach to playing receiver when it
came to DB's and studying each DV every week and
understanding what type of dB I'm going against? You got
some that are quick, some of that fast, some of
the physical, some of that you know, playoff or whatever
may be. What was your approach when it came to
playing defensive ends each week?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Was was your Was.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Your approach different as far as from from a technical standpoint?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Do you change up things you did depending on who
you were playing that week?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
We always I've always said this is a show that
it's a lot of parallels to me, a lot of similarities.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Between old line tackling tackling d N and receiver in corner. Yes, sir,
like that that one on one matchup. It's a lot
of dynamics there that that's parallel to me.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
The technique that goes intoward tendencies, like you said, is depressing.
If I if I jab inside, what are you doing
with his hands? Same thing as I'm bringing the defensive end.
I'm looking at their alignment. First, how wide is the
getting and then it get off? You know, how well
is he time and a snap? Then I want to
see his home runs. What's what's his go to move
that he's consistently winning on. What he's winning on the
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most I break that down. That's the one I want
to take away. I want to take that one away,
and then all right, what's his second highest percentage move
to count. I'm taking those top two away throughout my career.
That was the goal, my objective of game planning. I
want to take them top two winners away. Now, if
you beat me with a third, you you you're a
bad man, but you're going you're gonna have to get that.
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But for me, I was taking those top two, top
two moves away.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
And one of the things that I've always liked to
ask players that that, once they're done playing, who gave
the the most fits?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
For me?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
And everybody asked me all the time, listen, you played
a very long time, you're going against them. I've always
had to deal with the number one dB and everyone asked,
you know who gave you fits?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
And obviously the one person I say every.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Time that you see had hell you lock everybody up,
but had to be super strong.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
He asked you about nobody will would you were talking?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Hey? Who? So you just want to give him the
flowers for doing that?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, man, I had some battles. I had some of
these guys I say too many times like I didn't.
I didn't want to have these robbery going on. But
you know that's how the schedule to go. I played
as a ton was always one of those. He's one
of those you got it. You can make sure he
breaks like he's one of those for short. But the
guy that gave me the most fits, and I've probably
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seen him the most and he is still underrated in
my eyes.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Robert Quinn.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Robert Quinn, Man, oh that first double Quinn, he's been
in that edge. He listened Robert Quinn, he got he
probably got the most sacks on me, Like out of everybody,
he's the person that say I got to on t
stall like he he probably the one person that can
say that, right, Okay, okay, that dude gat Yeah. I
don't even want to see him whost career.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I don't want to. I'm cool, friends, nothing, I don't
want to run in the Robert.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
That's dope because if it's really it's really like a
dang it is because like you said, they're getting that white,
they're getting that what they're getting to that ye nine
And now hey you're like, Okay, I know he gonna
come wide, but what if he dropping bull me?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Okay, now he gonna hit me, and then he's spin inside.
So I got I got all that going into I
gotta look at him. Okay, what is he doing?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Now?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I'm kicking.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I can only kick so far because the damn cornerback
the hell I keep kicking, i'ma be in his damn
last So I can only get brother like two picks. See,
and then I got to say, and I gotta tell you, hey,
I gotta be I don't want him to get it.
I don't want him to bend the edge on me
because he, like you said, Miles can ben ben, But
I also I also don't want him to wax on,
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wax out, been crossed my face all that were.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Trying to process all that, man, and they lined up
in this way nine and these athletes are only getting
They're only getting bigger, faster, stronger.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah. So it's man, it's it's it's tough to deal with.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Like Michaeh playing Michael Parsons for the first time, it
was Christmas Day, we in Miami, beautiful day.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
We smacked the cowboys. That ain't part of the story.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
But seeing see Michael Parsons for the first time in
real life, it was different. Bro, Like you are You're
way too big to be moving as fast being that well, like,
it's just the athlete. The evolution of the athlete is
just it's becoming something something different.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Man. Cool, I'm cool, y'all.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And also those guys, especially watching you know, playing against
Derreck Thomas. But the guy that I had the most
respect for, I only played against him for two years
because I was on in Baltimore two years. I've never
seen a guy here size that quick. Was that Jabon
curse the freak man, freak the first time. The first
time I played man, hey, I turned about saying, hey,
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y'all better talk. He was gone, called block, dude. He
took a step down because I got I had to step,
so I stepped with it.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Man. By the time I put my foot down, he
was on my shoulder. That's a bad feeling.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Well he get to your he get to your shoulder
and you ain't he hey, you might, that's a bad feeling.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
He saw the picture I was.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I just saw Javon cursing the airport leaving Philly day
before yesterday.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Who before he got that before he hurt the ankles.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Joe, dude, was I'm talking about you talking about somebody
like he's like six four two fifty, I'm talking about all.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I'm talking about five big gloves. I mean his heads
look like a catcher man. Did kurtse get in there?
Did he get into the hall? Nah? Nah? Nah?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
He uh he would? I mean Tennessee, he was at Tennessee,
his best year Tennessee. He goes to uh Philly and
then he had he messed up his ankle, okay, and
it messed up his years. But back in the day,
you know, dealing with DT Bruce Smith was fast too.
Bruce could be in for a guy his size. Normally,
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guys to seventy they can't be in like that. Bruce
be parallel to the ground. That movie that you see
that you see a von Miller do where he dip
the hit and come down on one hand.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And get back up. Bruce could do that at two seventy. Yeah.
So hey, that's why you guys make the big bucks.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
That's why you guys are the highest pad on the
offensive line because you guys got the toughest assignment because
you're dealing with like I said, basically it's like Ginger
Robins and Fredistaire. He's coming forward, but you got a
mirror what he does moving backwards. And the thing is,
you got a target that's sitting right there, whether it's
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and basically everybody in the shotgun now. So you can
only set so much before he sets your ass in
the quarterback leaf or he reach over the top.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
And you agree.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Listen, Jo, we need some more money, man, Oh lord,
we need some more.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
We need some more that money. We need it all right,
check this out.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Saint Quon Barkler is coming off his best year of
his career, which ending of him becoming a Super Bowl
champion with the Eagles, and now he's gracing the cover
of Man twenty six. Sat Quan was asked if he
were retired at the top of his game or going
to the wheels came off. I'll probably be one of
those guys that will be out of nowhere. I'll probably
just wake up one day, whether it's the next year
or two or four, and just be like, yeah, it's over.
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I don't think I'll ever lose that passion. The competitive
nature is always going to be there. I like, probably
my favorite player of all time is Barry Sanders, so
probably similar to that. Maybe one day, like out of nowhere,
I'll probably just be bawling and just be like, yeah,
it's a quiz t.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
We just talked about that because your situation was just
like out of no were like, yeah, yep, a lot
a lot that sudden. Really, the ones in that circle,
they they knew the situation, and I was trying to
push you. I was looking for options to continue, but
it's just it's over for sure, like I knew it,
not as sudden as like Barry Sanders or or Calvin Johnson.
Saquon is incredible Hall of Fame talent. For sure, it'll
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be a he he can't walk away all of a sudden.
We need to see some more of that man. That's
a special talent.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
What the difference is between them situation and Calvin and Barry?
They got tired of losing, all right?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
For sure?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That he's in a situation where he's I mean, you
just went to the Super Bowl. Now if you start
to lose, but Barry, Barry got to the NFC Championship
Game in ninety one and never got that close again.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
So Barry got tired of losing. Barry wasn't injured.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, I mean you talked about the guy had average
fifteen hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
For ten seats for sure to go. Yeah, Calvin's the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Calvin like bro Man, we ain't getting no closer, And
I'm going out here and doing all this to my body?
What amout really doing this for when I don't really
have a realistic chance of getting to in winning a
Super Bowl? So I think that's the different. Say quand
a different situation. Now, if he was at the Giants, yeah,
he probably.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Just goes like one day I'm not here.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
But in the situation where he is with that offensive
line without offense with that defense.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't, I don't. I don't
think he.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Just wanted the money different too, Yeah, I mean the
money's all money different.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Obviously different, and obviously he just got paid it. Gave
a nice, nice, nice, nice nice Mili years and sure
take one for a running back for that position, obviously
with a position not as being as valued as it
is now, but being somewhere now where they appreciate you
for what you're doing and they showed you love. I
don't see safe coming and retiring until he has that
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that coming to coming to grass moment.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
You know what, I can't do it like I used
to explosion the same way.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I think that'll be the only time he actually called
it quits when he realized, you know what, I can't
get I can't bend that corner like I used to.
I can't hit I can't hit that A. But that
that be a C gap like I want that that
that want to be it and that that ain't.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Probably twenty six, twenty seven, he got twenty eight years.
Just but here's the thing, Joe Lane Johnson still there,
My Lott is still there.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Jersey Line still there and the Dickerson still there.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So it's not like you see some of these off
some of these guys, the offensive line get old and
they starting to move with them out.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
That's the best offensive line in football. They're not going.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It's not like they're about to drop off a cliff
in the next year too, not at all. And they
got them all in the contract. They just did Lane's contract.
They just didn't buy a lot of contract. They just
just did Dickerson contract. Jergensen is a rook that was
on a rookie contract. Nah, he ain't going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
And you know, you know, it's funny when you think
about it.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
As good as Saquon is and as good as that
offensive line is, even if sa Quon was losing step,
let's say it maybe maybe in three.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Years, if that, with an offensive line like that.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
He will still be able to do what he needs
to do because that much better up front.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
So he won't be able to go eighty yards with
anybody without anybody touching him. So now he might have
to break a tackle two yards from the line of
scripmen have the pose to runing through those holes that
my old slow ass could probably get five yards I
ain't gonna hit my head on the goal post like him,
but I might get five yards tea.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I gave about three or four yard drunk fall four,
I gave about three four.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
The them makes hurt.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I can imagine now I hadn't gotten hit on the
man to a two decade.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I shot him like ice. You know how you drop.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Even remember they not hitting like we was back then.
Now it's different. Oh, I don't forgot how to fall.
I don't forgot how to take it again.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
You see you start looking hey, you know how t
when you go like when you leave the season and
you come back and you got to go to training camp.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
You got to relearning. Those don't tingle like they did.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Like once you get going like training camp and now
you go to the season, they don't tingle them and
not twenty years.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Man, I be get that. I run them Michelle across.
It's a zone.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
You're running through the zone. They gonna get fined. They
gonna get fine though they might hit you what they
gonna I won't be fine. They might get fined, but
I won't be fine. That's that's the word. Yo oh cho,
you switch it up on me. Man, you usually have
on the Cardier shaves. I got seven pair of Cardier
saves over.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I was gonna be tonight. Hey, you know on see
what you got? What you got? You know what I mean.
We're in there right now. It's time.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I keep wearing the same ones over and over. I'm
trying to say the rest of them, you know, for
football season when I'm on TV. I got I got,
I got strings, right, I got a different color to
match each suit.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
All right, Yeah that's a different bran.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
They got a different color of that mass suit. But
I gotta see you. I gotta see you, dude.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Though.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Information right off of Twitter he from Canada, brou he
got everything, unbelieving.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I need it. I need it week. Okay, I'm gonna
switch up. You gonna put your door.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Says that when he's a bet, he'll have rookie organize
his locker.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Take a listen, take a look at this video. Guys,
what I'm gonna bet. What I'm gonna do.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
I'm gonna have a rookie organized by locker every day.
If Flacko told me to do this every day, I
would do it. I go to him every day. I said, hey, bro,
you good? You need anything? Right, then, because it's respect
you feel me, I feel that.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I ain't organ So when you came in as a rookie,
what did the bets have you do?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Toron On bets were pretty pretty good to me, man,
Jerry Evans, being Grubbs, Zach Street, those guys were pretty
good to me. I just had to get him yeah, yeah, okay,
get him breakfast every Saturday, uh food for the plane, snacks,
toilet tries. I had to bring that type stuff to
the facility, deoderant, body wash, all that good stuff. So
trying to find a ride to Walmart because Uber didn't
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exist in the in twenty thirteen, So trying to find
a ride to Walmart, get the stuff for the guys
and haul it into the facility.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
But they were they were pretty they were pretty smooth
on me. Yeah that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I mean, they want breakfast, sandwiches, they wanted doughnuts, they
wanted chicken the company, they wanted Popeye to come to
the plane. I'm like, come on, guys, y'all, bro y'all
know man, And back then, you know we drove, we know,
we drove drove to the airport, but we had our
own hangar.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
So you drive up, go get on the walk up
and get on the plane.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Man, you better I was driving so fast driving trying
to get there. Bro, I'm on a rookie contract. Man,
I can't. I can't afford now twelve hundred and fifty
dollar fine.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Man, damn.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I remember remember them day I received a group. I
mean obviously the vestment I came into a rookie and
since Sinnati. Man, it was it was love, you know
that there was. There was a certain amount of respect
that that I showed them, a certain amount of respect
that they showed as well.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
But you remember Darnay.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Scott, Yeah, Darnay Scott, Danny Farmer was there at the time,
Ron Dugans there and it was.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
It was all love.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
It was nothing to that magnitude like some of the
stories that I that I hear.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
No, I think we have the hardest time with that.
The receiving room is always that that respect trying to
buck It's always a hard time with that.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
We had a situation in Miami last year, not a
big situation, but uh tyr Tyreek Hill have bought one
of the rookies Christmas gifts and the rookie didn't like it.
Really like what, like it's cool, but you know, youd
give me something better, you know, something bigger. You make
it thirty eight a year, you know what I'm saying.
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And Tyreek was really hurt by that, like he was
really upset.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
That, Hey, what did it get? I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
It was like it was like a like a Gucci
cologne said or something like that, some type of designer
cologne said. And this is this young boy, he twenty
one years old in Miami. Man, he probably don't even
have no colown wearing no colonnia.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I don't want that.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
He wanted to try rig the boum something with a
little bit more more splash to it.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, that was not even plus you'll sing it.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
You know, you gotta sing at training camp and not
no damn fight song either, because I don't nobody, ain't
nobody go to your school, but you so you got
to say something. Whoever the latest see us now like
probably not either be Kendrin Lamar Drake or whomever.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
The hot rapper is right now.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Back then, you know, R and B was still big
when I was coming up and guys singing Teddy Pitt,
the guy who was singing, uh, Luther was singing Barry
why he the undefeated song?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
They did the thing y'all have, Did y'all have a
rookie show? Sure? For sure?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Mike and Dany he was, he was big on that
and Shahpagne was two back in New Orleans. Uh, we
would do the song. Most of the guys would would
do R and B Old school R and B.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I feel like the and you guys probably have a
different song, but I feel like that undefeated song when
the rookie starts singing it, and that rookie show the
whole crowd.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
On Jordan in it's fantation when I see you Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah yeah he started that.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
You get to the first thirty he get to the
first thirty seconds. Yeah, he won't because everybody gonna yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Hey, you know what that song? That song right there
is like when the Swag surface song come on. It
don't matter where you at or what you doing, everybody
join it in.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, grab somebody show.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Everybody.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yeah that's it a.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Uh New Orleans that here we come to get you,
We call to get you.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
That was or that super Dog used to rock Man.
I missed I missed them. I missed that place. I
missed those fans team matter the fact. Think you went
the Arkansas Pine Bluff, Yes, sir, as matter of fact.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
When I was at Link you know about Lincoln University, right, yeah,
and we when I was at Lengths and we played
Arkansas Pine Bluff, they came up, they came on down.
There is a coil, so steal water whichever what it is,
but it's back in nineteen ninety nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
We played Lengths in my freshman year and Lengths and
beat us bro real. It was bad. It was bad.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I know, y'all took the bus. So we took the
bus everywhere. It didn't matter if it was three hours
or if it was twelve hours.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
You owned that. I was on that bus. He's on
that bus. Tear it up. Good days and well see.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And the way we did it is like the starting
offense and the starting defense on one bus and then
the backups on another bus.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Y'all offense and defense. But were the offense bus and defense?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
But no, hell no, started on one bust the back
but you ride this bus.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, you're right exactly about segregation. Oh yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
How they supposed to get better man, they can't sit
and talk to none of y'all because we back there
playing cards, you know, spades, were playing cards. We we know, Yeah,
we all wanted the back to the back of the bus.
You know what I'm saying. We as a matter of fact,
we wanted to go to the back of the bus.
But hey, all of us, it wasn't nothing, specially because
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all of us was black. We had what a kicker
with white Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
It wasn't.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
It wasn't no thinking. I'm sure it's the same thing
with you guys. Did y'all have a white kicker? White
kicker and punter, that's it? And a linebacker? We had
a Yeah, we had a linebacker too. He was a
bad man.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
But that's what you know. But you you missed that.
I missed, you know, taking those you know going to Tuskegee,
uh going to uh we're Burlington, North Carolina, just because
you you know you you're taking the bus. I mean,
it ain't no you know, playing it doesn't matter. It
was like I said, if it was an hour to
Georgia Southern and Statesboro or you going to Tuskihee or
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you going to North Carolina, it didn't matter. Spartanburg, South Carolina,
didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
We would take we take that ten hour bus rode
to Houston, play review Texas Southern. We'd take the ten
hour bus ride to Alabama and them Alabama State.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
My first flight in my life was we got paid
to come play U TIP, so we flew down to UTEP.
They paid us to beat on us.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, whatever, that was my first time. I'm trying to say,
what if oh first time on the flight. I think
I went to Black college, all American. I think I
went to Pittsburgh. I think maybe I flew to see
my brother play. Uh, but other than now, but now
you wouldn't taking you wouldn't. But you missed that because
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guess what. We could stop by a convenience store. And
he's like, man, the guy was like because I was.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I was. I was a captainist the sow. The man
like man, shop man, I'm holding me.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Have Coach David to stop by the stop by the
convenience store. I'm like, I'm like coach man, I'm home, Coach,
can we stopped by a convenience store? Coach didn't looked
at me, say all right, home, we're gonna stop. But
you're responsible for. Man, he already knows what.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
They won't clean the store out, y'all y'all had that
nil money back then. No, we had no n il money.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
That's why he told me I was responsible for him
to make sure they put issue in their pockets.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Money.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
That's why he told me. I'm responding and I'm standing
to the door.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Hey mm hmmmm hm, take it out man.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Man, Oh, Joe, how that donna? Look? They ain't stop everybody, Joe, Yeah,
you ain't see everything. But I tell you what.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Let me tell you what I wouldn't do because I
was one of the few guys that had had a vehicle,
and they and people like man to this day, they're like, man,
Sean wouldn't give nobody ride. Bro, I know who had
the stuff, would follow them out the store. I I
know who a bag of potato chip, soda, honey buns.
It would follow you walk out the store behind you. So, no,
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you're not getting to my car because everybody knew who
my who I was, and what I drove. Man, I
just know they got in the car with Shannon. It
was Shannon Shark. They ain't gonna say nothing else. It
was Shannon Shark.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Oh no, even if he had at Honey Bunny or
slides he Live, swist roll or something.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, Zebra, he might have three dollars, but he gonna
come out of there with five dollars worth the store.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
So no, they got some you he didn't know.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Oh No, and the mall. Never go into the mall
with him, absolutely not. Tell you what do you think
about the locker room decision with two of going through
his third and fourth major concussions. How do I mean? Look,
you you can do all you can try to protect
the guy, but at some point in time, he got
to protect himself. He has to know when the journey's over.
You can't. At no situation should he be allowed. I
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don't know what he was thinking, that you're gonna go ahead,
that you're gonna go head first. Oh somebody knowing his caw,
you know, he definitely he's he has to be aware,
There's no question about it. And he is aware, but
even more and now it has to be proven on
a weekly basis that he understands his importance and impact
to the to the team, to the franchise, to the
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city without too under center.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It's a different it's a different team. It's a different look.
But with him under center, I strongly believe Miami Dolphins
can win any game that he's the starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So no, you're you're absolutely right, except when he gets
thirty degrees.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Here we go, let's get it, let's get into it.
Let's get into man, go ahead with go ahead with you.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
No, he has to know that, he has to know
how how much of a value PC is and and
whatever it needs to do.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
But just just.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Knowing that God, knowing how much you love the game,
and the way that he prepares. Man, it's that competitiveness
against Buffalo this year where stagnant offensively, we get a
drop gone and he's trying to extend on the third
down to try to get another first down. It's just
he can't be the one to do it, you know
what I mean. But he's just been a competitor trying
to trying to wield a team.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I actually I think I talked uncle and I talked
about this last last year some time. Uh, when he
when he went out, I just think he has to
learn to fall a little better and under understanding. But
when when to especially I remember that first down we
went head first, he still got he got up.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
It was like one of the moments we'd be like, ah, yeah, yeah,
for sure, hold your breath moment, but just what.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Journeys, knowing when the journey's over, and then when he
gets hit, knowing how to fall correctly, you know, especially
when you go when you go back and you don't
try to do your best. I know it's hard, but
I was. It's something that I trained myself to do.
Is when you get tackled, you're going backwards, try not
to let your head hit the back of the back
of the back of the ground as hard as it does.
I mean, what I used to do is if I
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get hit hard and I know it's backwards, I'm going backwards,
I would tighten the my core and try to keep
my head up right the best I can, the best
I can, just so I don't get that boom that
that that that initial shock which causes Yeah, cause the that's.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
The one though, the one that you're falling back hit
the head, that's the one that's Yeah, that's the.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
If I'm getting it my best, like I'm holding the ball,
but I do my best as if I'm as if
I'm bear hunting dude, you know, in a sense obviously
literally bare hugging. I'm just saying, trying to keep my
body and my upper body and torso as close to
him as possible even on impact, just so most of
the force isn't the back of the head bouncing off.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
How do you feel like I got on the sideline
and they jump out of bound or or are you
trying to fall forth for the few more yards?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
What you what you think about that? It all depends
in his situation. He can't do it, not even on
four because he's too valued. He gets the first down
and he gets Dean, what have you done? Okay, you
got the first down. Now your backup has to come.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
In and finish out the bar game a whole different time.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I give you a private example, Peyton Manny. Once Peyton
Manny hurt that neck, they never let him do quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
And again yeah, if you.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Notice, they don't let Patrick mahone since he hurt his knee.
They don't let Patrick Mahones do go straight into the
line of scrimmage. You see, you have to protect them.
That's the fact that's he's gonna have. They're not gonna
let him do. Obviously, you wouldn't do no touch push
with Tour. But second of all, bro you got slide.
It's okay, It's okay, slide. I'm not looking at the quarterback.
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Oh he tough for what You're not used to taking
those licks like that, and they're looking to punish you
because you don't have the protection of the pocket, because
once you leave that pocket, you're a runner.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
So I'm gonna hit you like the free game. Uh.
I mean you go from you have Drew Brees for
a number of years and then you go from Tour.
What was it? What was it like?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
What was Breeze like? Brees was a Breeze was a
killer man. He was an assassin.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
He prepared like like a federal agent. He was he
would be.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
He's prepared man like he's trying to build a case
on everything that we played. Man, you would you hear
the cliche first one in, last one to leave. But
that was genuinely him. That was truly him. I would
see him on those off days. Man's he preparing like
none other. And you've seen it every week. And it
was no matter the outcome of the game too. This
was the special part of bottom Note, no matter how
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he played individually or if it was a win and lost.
He put the same amount of time. Man, he gave
every team the same amount of attention and respect. Playing
the Falcons twice a year, that second game, even though
we just beat them about fifteen two weeks ago, He's.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Going to put those same amount of hours in And
that's why he was He was the greatest. Wow, hey, hey,
T did you understand before? Did you understand the animosity
and the hatred that the Saints fans had for the
Falcon fan Did you know that? No? I didn't. Honestly
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
I didn't know that was such a thing, but I
quick quickly adopted quickly.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I hate them folks still Listen.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
I think I found out maybe two or three years ago.
And here I go, try to have a Kumba y'all moment,
trying to get fans become one of the game, you know,
and like man, f no like about like for real,
I'm thinking they you know, I think they playing around
on Twitter. And then people say, like this is really
I really hate them? People like really, no.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
They do not mess with the same Sames fans do
not mess with Falcon fans, and Falcon fans you best.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Believe then, don't they don't. Is that serious? I had
no idea.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I didn't I didn't need it, but I said, I
quickly adopted it. I still hate them to this day.
Like I'm not rocking with the Falcons ever.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Uh. Laces on Leather ranked the NFL atmosphere from best
to worse. What do you think the best atmosphere? NFL atmospherees?
What do you think the best one is?
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Hey, uncle, you gotta be between Kansas City and Seattle,
and the city is number one. Okay. I go through
the top ten.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Cow the Chiefs are one, Packers are two, see Hawks
are three, Vikings are four, Ravens are five, Bills are six,
Lions are seven, Saints are eight, Patriots are nine. Cowboys
are ten. I don't know how Cowboys made it cause
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they ain't got no home feeling about it. They lose
all the time.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, no, for sure. The stadium nice, though. I think
it's just raising the stadium. Ranking the stadium for the Cowboys.
I don't think it's got the environment. I was shocked
they lost. They lost like six games last year and
don Cowboys don't got that. Don't really have a unless
there unless that winning. They their fans to show up.
But there's so many people in that stadium.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
You will hear it. I'm shocked to hear that that
that New Orleans was was so low on that list.
That Super Dome is crazy. It's super crazy.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Yeah, but y'all, y'all, y'all been y'all been, y'all been struggling,
y'all been on hard.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
So this is this is what last year's like. Best atmosphere. No,
but I'm just fair. Look, yeah, I give y'all credit. Now, y'all,
y'all be making some noise because I remember Katrina when
y'all with y'all y'all played in San Antonio. I think
he was in San Antonio when they came back and
glease and blocked that point on that Monday night game
against the I.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Mean you could literally hear it through the television.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
I mean it was if I don't know, and Sean
Payton all the people say they've never heard it that
loud before or since that night.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, no, that I that was definitely a strucial moment.
But during my tenure in New Orleans, we were always
it was us Seattle. Yeah, y'all did as far as
like the loudest crowd noise. The Saints was always near.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
The top, and I'm not surprised that. A look, I mean,
look at this, A lot of these Seahawk vikings A Dome,
Lions Dome, Saints Dome, Cowboys Dome. It's something about when
you can get a you can get an outdoor arena
and you get that kind of like the Chiefs have,
or like when I played the broncos Man.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Oh my, how that thing be rocking.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
They that's seventy six thousand, I'm talking about. They be
going crazy. Pole chargers right down here at the bottom.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
You know, yeah, yeah charges hand Listen. I've been in
some great atmospheres. I played at every stadium that's on here,
and I honestly no one Number two should be the Bengals. Honestly,
cut it out. Listen to me, to stay with me. Now,
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never been in the jungle, boy, You've never been in
jungle on a primetime game in Cincinnati. You see what
you gotta see what you have? You say, I preface
the team a prime time around the playoffs. It ain't
gotta be no prime time game. It can be any game.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
It can be appreciding game, it can be a note
of what you're scrimmaging against yourself. It's gonna be ruckous.
That is what y'all do to do.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
That's what we've been. That has changed tremendously. You hit me,
I have been there was. Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
I give you, I give you credit, Joe, it is
it has from my earlier years to now. I feel
like now is a lot better atmosphere. They were they
all white. Yeah, it is rocking that Joe Burrow, the
Icy White. It's not in the top ten. Not in
the top ten though.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
No, guess what, No, it's not. When they win the
Ice and White.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
All you're gonna do is see them see see them
scared marks because they're gonna poop the bed.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
They already they gonna dough it, poop the bed. I
mean going on at nothing. Bimore Raven coming out. I
know what that is. I know what that.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
That's that hatred y'all was asking me about when the
five in the Saint Well, don't know your hatred?
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Steelers?
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, the Steelers, No, we and us for the in
the Denver it would be it was the Raiders. Then
the cheap I got was that, but the raid it
was it was the steep.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
During my time, it was the Ravens, Ravens and Steelers.
It was bad.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
It was y'all be with Cleveland because y'all try to
fix who own Ohio and he's ain't nobody worried about y'all.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
During my time, we used to beat up on the
Ravens and the Steelers. Yeah, well maybe you did. I was.
I was.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Saw on him that showed on that thing on you black. Yeah,
he put you down, but you got the trip Cardinals
bear the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
So what what you're thinking on Joe? What what they
get right? What they get wrong? I mean, know this
is about right though I'm not sure who made this list,
but it's about right. You know.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
The funny thing about it is the fact that some
of the dome teams are a little low. That's a
testament to the fans in Seattle, in Green Bay, in
Kansas City. And funny thing the first thing I said before,
as soon as you mentioned we've been doing the rank
in the best stadiums, I said, I said Kansas City
and Seattle right away, So goddamn loud.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
T Yeah, yeah, for sure. I don't know if it's
the way the stadium is built. I don't know what
it is. It's like dog, you be on the field
and can't hear nothing. Yeah, no, for sure the Seattle game.
We played them our rookie year in the playoffs and
oh that was to be. That wasn't that? Man, No, okay,
that wasn't.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I wasn't a part of that. I would have tripped him.
But in the second round of the playoffs and Champagne,
so we went up there. We kind of like battle
for the number one seed. Middle of the season. We
played on Monday night, It's twenty eighth to nothing, and
immediately first quarter they smacked us. So when we go
back in the playoffs, Sean Payton had us all these
(48:07):
custom ear pieces made dead silence. So all week we
were these ear pieces and we nonverbally communicated every play,
every snapcount, and we got up there and we we
we did it. It worked like a charm as far
as that we still lost. Of course, they went on
and won the Super Bowl, but it was it was
that to your to your point, it was really it
(48:29):
was so loud that it like hurt. So we had
these custom earpieces.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yeah, like after the day with Kansas City, we did
that with Kansas City. But uh, the old Kingdome. Before
they built this stadium, they used to have. They used
to have a dome and see how to call the
King Dome.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
No, that didn't know that. They now it only hold
about sixty. But boy, that's because it always it's always
ran in this Seattle.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Those people walking around sad all week and they go
in the stadium and screen.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
That's all it is. It's all the.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
The old the astronom was like that steal. Oh, the
House of Pay. They used to call it the House
of Pay. They did well. They had warm moon, they
ran to run and shoot and their defense made. Boy,
but the bills, the Bills is like the Bill Stadium.
That's what they got it. They got a nice fo
(49:26):
I don't know what they call it now. I don't
know what they call it in Mark or whatever. They
call it high Mark or something. But it used to
be called uh Rich Stadium. Yo, Yo, them just gonna
be talking about let's go. Buffalo said, that's.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
That's That was one of my favorite plays to play
throughout my career. The energy is did Joe start jumping
around to you better tell you that it's hard? It's hard.
They got a nice atmosphere up thee Hey, Buffalo got
some crazy fans. Boy, they sucked. They go jumping out,
jumping on Bernie table.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah yeah, no, they got real football up there, real
football atmosphere.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
You know what's funny t T when you think about it. Listen,
Buffalo Buffalo fans deserve their flowers anytime it comes to donating.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
You know when other players they talk, what Buffalo fans
come through like no other. No, that's the Fu's that's
they always show love.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Man.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
Yeah, they used the tragedy. They always lose, so they
know how to handle losing. Well you know what I mean,
Like they know how to get close, get to the
door and get both shut on them. So they used
to lose and they know how to handle it. Well. Yes, Oh.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
So you good Chiefs one, Packers, Seahawks, Vikings, Ravens, Bills, Lions, Saints, Patriots, Costleys, Sat.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
So you think Saints should be in the top five?
Real real Saints amish the top top three environment? Oh
whoa hold on?
Speaker 4 (51:03):
If the Saint's top three environment, then the Cincinnati was
damn show got to be in top.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
Argument.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
Yeah, no, different than I hadn't played at this new stadium,
but the old Metro Dome. You played no metro doome right?
Speaker 3 (51:18):
Crazy?
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Oh standing? I played up there, man. When they had
they had Johnny Randall, they had Chris Doman, rest his soul.
They had Keith Keith Millard, they had Alga and they
had Henry Thomas. Hey boy, they had a defense out
(51:39):
of this world, boy, boy, boy boy. If Floyd the
defense court down, I think it was Floyd Peters, Floyd Reeches,
Floyd What was Floyd's last name? I think it's Reese.
Boy you're talking about. Come man, don't let them sack.
Don't you let them take that quarterback?
Speaker 3 (51:57):
They was doing that star blow that hard.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yeah all right, Jord, because right now he just logged
on for the fact he wanted on the first athlete,
the original music man fan guy.
Speaker 3 (52:16):
He's been trused. We've been trying to get him on
for a minute. We linked up a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
He said, Man, let me come on night cap and
here you is, ladies and gentlemen, your favorite rappers, favorite
rapper symbol.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
Un what's up? Oh then what they do?
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Man?
Speaker 7 (52:30):
We live in life. We blessed you alive. Man, I'm
loving the man, happy to be here with you. Are
your Nor'm a big fan of the show. Shout out
to my good my guy up there, man, big dog.
I'm not a Dolphins fan, but I'm a Dolphins supporter.
I'm a Dolphins supporter. I got fan out of Miami
with shout out to you, man, shout out to the
whole crew.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
Yes, sir, shout out to make sure you're from your
faith living in La. Now, So were you a Raiders fan?
You're a forty nine Ers fan.
Speaker 6 (52:57):
I'm a Raider. You see that the to us, they
liked the they like the prima Donnas of the Bay.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
You know, they liked that.
Speaker 7 (53:06):
They liked the pretty girl at school. Everybody want the
Raiders was gotten there, Gritton. Growing up, my mom was
in real estate, so one of her first real estate
deals was Lance Johnstone when he came to the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Okayah.
Speaker 7 (53:21):
He used to give us tickets to the game and
my mom would always take me to the game. And
then one of my close friends, Taiwan Jones, he was
drafted to the Raiders from our high school, Deer Valley.
So always been a big Raider fan, Marshawn Lynch, Charles Woodson,
you'd always been a big Raider fan.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
Man, all right, we'll get you out here. CJ.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Gardner Johnson goes off on DC big FANGI on ig.
I was a tenth dummy for them, So now they
can be like my scheme work or did my skills?
Fan make it work? I had zero issues. People had
issues with me, So yeah, let the satary cap be
the excuse.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
Uh, fan Joe. He said that C. J.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
Gardner Johnson trade was a salary cap issue, a salary
cap thing, and I'm fine with it.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
Just don't let the young guys know like y'all did. Hey,
Uh what what hold on? Man?
Speaker 2 (54:17):
Basically, he said the situation was a big fat Joe
the defensive coordinator. He said the they traded him because
it was a salary cap issue. Now, they didn't save
a whole lot of money, maybe a couple of hundred
thousand dollars. But moving forward, because you got who you
got coming up, o Jo. You got that big dog
up front. J Carter, he gonna it's gonna take some break,
(54:41):
big bread. And then you got you're gonna have brother.
You're gonna have brother Mitchell, he gonna be coming up.
You're gonna have Cooper de Jon he gonna be coming up.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Right, so they clean the house.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
So you know, but it happened, Bro, You got a rig,
you got an opportunity to come back, you got a ring,
and somebody wanted you. When somebody trade for you, to y'all,
let me know what you think about this team. When
somebody trade for you, they're telling you they want you. Okay,
though the team didn't want me, but this new team
traded for me. They gave up something to give me,
(55:16):
So clearly they see the value in me, even if
the whole team doesn't.
Speaker 3 (55:20):
C J.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
C J he real passionate, man. He's he's very vocal.
That's that's his that's his his biggest attribute.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
His passion.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
The way that he play the game is like that's
how he is off the field too, though he's very
he's very vocal, very passionate.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
So if it's the way that he's feeling, you really
can't convince some otherwise.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
So, like, even though that the Houston Texans did want him,
they wanted them, they traded for him, they gave away
compensation for him to be a part of their team.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
CJ is still gonna let let Philly know how you feel.
That's just that's just how he is. That's how you are. Yeah, uncle,
you know I talked. I talked to CJ all the time. Man,
CG and I are really close.
Speaker 4 (55:53):
Like like T said, he's very passionate about especially about
the way the game, the game of ball in general,
the way it is and some of the things that
that that he knows what's going on. I think he
allows that passion and love for the game. He gets
that it's business at the end.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Of the day, always has been, always will be. And
it's tough though. It's tough when you devote so much,
you know, like you said, think about it. You getting
out there and you can't walk until Wednesday, and you
out there hobbling, and you doing everything you can to
give them everything you can and then they do something
like this.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
So yeah, I definitely get it.
Speaker 7 (56:31):
I'm trying one dad sore, three of you guys, Like,
what's it? What is it like kind of being married
to a situation. You may have bought a home in
this city or whatever it may be. You raised the
family here and because it's time to blow it up
and we want to get younger players, and what's that
like that transition like having to know you gotta leave.
Speaker 4 (56:52):
Right, you understand it, You understand it, see him like
I already knew. At some point, I knew my time
was coming. I didn't know when that day would be.
Obviously I was able to squeeze out ten years normally
ten years to your cut off point, no matter how
good you are. If you go down the list of
some of the great receivers, that have been very few
that stayed on one team for a very long time.
The two that I could think of, maybe the longest,
(57:13):
might have been Jerry Rices and Larry Gerald. You know,
Jerry at some point left, but Larry, for Jeral's one
of the few I could think of that stayed and
won an.
Speaker 3 (57:21):
Organization for a very long time. I knew my time
was coming.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
So while I was there, wherever I was at, whatever cars,
I was there well often to play in my hand.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
See, I had fun.
Speaker 4 (57:30):
So when that time did come, you know, I was
at peace with it because I understood the business side
of it, which is why I chose to have fun
instead that I understood the politics and businesside that came
with it.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
You know it's going to happen, but it doesn't make
it any eiier, Right, what you or what you give
to that organization, all those painkilling injections that I took,
all that, all all that, those those toor doll shots
that I took just to be able to go play,
and now I have one down year, Like, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:58):
It was good.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
Seven consecutive Pro Bowls, first Team All Pro through a
five yard all that. It's tough side to you, Hey, T,
I ain't gonna tell you don't like, yeah that is
I'm like, bro, Damn, I thought I was gonna be
one of them John Elway, and I'm gonna get me
twelve thirteen T with one.
Speaker 3 (58:18):
Yeah. No, it's real. It's real, cymvil for for real.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
Just and just to add to what what o Cho
and Uncle's saying, especially, it's it's today's media and Adam
Schefter and Ian Rappaport them guys get the news before
you do, you know what I mean. So that's that's
the part that I've seen be really impactful negatively to
some players. I had one of my teammates here in
the Saints. He was a running back and we bro
(58:43):
we chilling and training camp, playing the game, and he
just scrolling on Twitter. Bro, he just got released by
the Saints. He had no idea, like, no idea, and
it was real.
Speaker 3 (58:55):
He got released.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
They kept one of the rookie running backs that they had,
they had drafted so on. He had no idea, you
know what I mean, that's the part that hurt mine.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
The fact that the matter is is what Ocho and
I we go around sometimes I'm like, bro, when Adam
Schefter and.
Speaker 3 (59:08):
These guys be talking, where do you think they're getting
that from?
Speaker 2 (59:11):
They getting that from the teams, They're getting that from
the general managers, They're getting that from owners, They're getting
that from player personnel director. They're getting that from NFL sources.
Oh yes, they dude, I mean Adam Schefter making you know,
lots of money. These were these are insiders. They making
a lot of money, and they built up great relationships
because and this is why they say anonymous. This is
(59:33):
why they say sources, because the moment they give up
one source, they're done. I hope you've made a lot
of money because if you give up one source, nobody
will ever go on record with you again. Nobody will
ever tell you ish. That's why Adam Schefter got all
those phones, That's why he taking calls.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
He's live on air taking calls the may no dummy calls, trust.
Speaker 7 (59:55):
Me, that's crazy. That's why I got so much love
for the King. You know we see out the eye
when it come to King j James. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I got so much love for the King because these
organizations got the ability to move you where they want
you to be, but you never kind of got the
opportunity to pick where you want to go.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Yeah, but let me ask you one question I'm gonna
get out of you guys. Way uh going going through
your discography? Man, what what's it like to have a
song with the legendary DMX made it?
Speaker 6 (01:00:23):
Honestly, bro, Like, I can't, I can't.
Speaker 7 (01:00:27):
I can't tell you because the way that happened, I
really wasn't involved on the process of that. That was
Joinner Lucas's team and him and X had a relationship
and right before X had passed, I believe that might
have been the last verse. Joiner told me that he
might have laid before he passed, had a great relationship
and they had laid a song and one day Joiner
(01:00:49):
hit me, he was like, yo, I got this joint
me and X, did I.
Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
Want you to get on it? And of course, I
was honored to be a part of it is X.
Speaker 7 (01:00:57):
I grew up trying to be like X, from rapping
like him to trying to act like them in Exit Wounds,
you know.
Speaker 6 (01:01:03):
So it was just a blessing to be a part
of it, honestly.
Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Man. Yeah, but Tie, I know you got to get
out of here. Man, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
We appreciate your time looking out and when you get
some more time, hey, stop back by with us again.
Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Man, We love to have it. We appreciate you guys.
Hold on what you got, uh hey, tell us about
the YouTube channel you getting.
Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Oh yeah, just really man, being a big fan of
you guys, showing everything you guys doing. I'm looking to
get into my own I want to talk O line.
I want to talk on line D line, get some
details of the trenches. How Kobe and Peyton Manning had
the detailed show and they really broke down what.
Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
They're seeing and how they analyze the game.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
I want to be one of those people and kind
of really take over that that avenue for O line,
D line to words easily digestible, so I can I
can be an educator in that space. So you know
what technique is used. You know who that sack is
on and how it happened, you know what I mean.
That's gonna be a part of my YouTube show, So
Toronto Upstairs show coming.
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
So man, I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
You already got a partner, We got some we got
something in the workpiate line.
Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Yeah you got you got you know, Big Willy Andson.
Yeah for sure. Yeah sure believe me.
Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
I mean we believe we'd be real good in that space,
especially from an informative standpoint, playing a playing the old
line position.
Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Man, he's really gonna be there for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Yeah, all right, what TV We really appreciate Daddy YouTube
show launched on June seventeen. He's gonna break down. It's
gonna be the final points of old line and d
line play What actually happened? The set, quick set, jump set,
He watched the staff, he dropped down, he played for
the bull, he been all of that stuff. So all
the good stuff, that the interesting stuff that a lot
(01:02:54):
of people don't talk about. You'll be able to get
that on tear uh Toront's YouTube channel, so Chick it
Out is launching June seventeenth. T appreciate your chime, man,
and when you get an opportunity to stop back by with.
Speaker 6 (01:03:05):
A shout out to tea appreciated something.
Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Yep, the volume
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us
for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me, I'm your
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City's own Bengal Ring of Fame, honoree pro bowler, all
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we have a very special guest tonight. He's a five
time pro bowler out of the yard out of Arkansas
(00:37):
Pine Bluff from Belleville, Illinois, and he still holds the
record for the fastest offensive lineman for forty yard dash
time in the Combine history at four seven one. Here
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O Joe. In the twenty thirteen Combine, Tehran recorded the
fastest forty for an offensive lineman in Combine history, a
record that still stands to this day.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
It was close.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Lane Johnson ran four seven two, but Toront's record of
four to seven one is close. And if I'm not mistaken,
they're the only two offensive linemans that's run in the
four sevens. They've been a couple of runs low four eights,
but no other lineman other than Tehran at four seven one.
Lane Johnson at four seven two have been in the
offensive lineman have been in the four seventh so as
(02:31):
of yet. So now we're thirteen years in counting twenty
thirteen to twenty fifteen, and Toront still held that record. Turan, Look,
you're coming out of Arkansas Pine Bluff and it's not
like it used to be. There used to be a
plethora of guys coming out of HBCUs and so that
would have been nothing.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But here it is.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Now we're in the twenty tens and we get an
offensive lineman, you're three times swack All Conference player, and
you go to the Combine. What were your expectations? Did
you know you had this kountability in you?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I knew I had the talent and the speed and
agility to showcase. I just had to get to the showcase.
So it was really huge for me to get that
Combine invite. That was that was monumental for me trying
to get more exposure, to get more eyes to my
to my tape. So I knew that I was going
to go. I was going for the record for sure,
Like before I even before we got to Indy, I
(03:27):
was going for the record out I wanted to run.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Faster honestly than that. But I'll take the four seven Hey,
but six four three five, that's that's what I get
ready to ask you.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I'll get to ask you how tall you were and
how much you weighed to be able to run that. Listen,
I ain't running before five, so technically by you right
there with.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Me, right there on your neck.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, no, I was six six five three old six
I believe three or four at the combine.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Wow, so you knew, you knew? So what was if
I'm not, I don't know what the record was? What
was the record? What was the fastest forty time for
an offensive lineman before you broke it? It was four
a four for a four. While you didn't break it,
you obliterately needed it.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I needed it. I needed all that. I needed that
that my moment.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I was on NFL network dot com NFL dot com
for like two hours.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I needed all of it. So the scouts can go
watch my film.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Okay, so now you go run that forty yard dashtime
you run four seven one, and that's really the order.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
They want you to jump high, Yeah, they want you
to do too. But speed is what captivates their tension.
Now you an offensive lineman. You never gonna be able
to unwind that four seven one again, But you just
wanted to put that on tape to let them see, Look,
you got a phenomenal athlete.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yes, I went to Arkansas Pine Bluff.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, I know you're gonna downgrade me talk about who
did I flock and who did I play against, But
I'm gonna come and showcase my skills and let you
see and then the kiffs fall what they may. So
when you read that time, did you know, like, okay,
I got their undivided attention.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I'm about to get drafted.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And know for sure we have special talents down there
in these HBCUs all across the country.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
We do. So I just needed the opportunity to showcase
my skill. I knew what time it was. I was
going for the vertical record too.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I missed that by half an inch, so like I
knew that I was going to be able to make
that splash, and like I say again, I needed it.
I really needed that chance to get all the scouts
just to watch my fam I wouldn't ask you for
no favorites, but just check out the film and see
the dominance Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Now, also when I look at the officer line position,
as fast as you were, you know, as far as
running the forty, did you have an advantage as far
as your footwork goes when it came to playing offensive
line as well? Because most of the time, obviously, you know,
playing officer line is all about your hand placement in
your footwork and we always being being balanced.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Did that give you the advantage? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
No, My athletic says to my agility that those were
my strengths when I played throughout my twelve year career
because I'm six five, three or four, not the biggest tackle,
not necessarily the strongest season. But I'm on your ass.
So was the ball snap you know what I mean?
A lot of jump says, I had to use that
in my game. So, uh findal ways to play in
(06:09):
my strength, and I was using my speed.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Were you always an offensive lineman cuts out? I mean
we were that kind of fast twitch. You might have
been a you might have been a tight end at
some point in time in your career.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Were you always an offensive lineman? Back in my hometown Cochi, Illinois,
we went off of speed. That's what we do.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
We run, So I was a defensive lineman in off
of Salami, but I would go play seven on seven
with the guys corner, safety, receiver, whatever. Yeah, it really
was like that, really was like that, you can't do
that shit no more. But I really was like that,
I can't move like that no morel too with fit.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Look you mentioned you say so you were thirty four,
thirty four right now thirty three thirty three to run
you walk away from the game. You're only thirty three
lineman normally played in at thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight.
We saw Jackie Slayter play twenty years and he retired
at forty plus. And you see linemen especially, I don't
(07:01):
know your injury history. That's why, that's why I'm going
with this. Why walk away from the game and all
that chip out there? You see that money, so how
it is. It's a lot of freshly trended money out there,
for sure, But yeah it is. Yes, indeed, I got
a man.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
God blessed me with so many great moments and great
years and a great career.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Uh, my injury history is extensive. It is, it is.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It is long, and I've been through it, and that's
really the part for me is my body.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
You know, I love this game.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I mentally, cerebrally, I can play the game for forever,
you know. But it's just physically and I'm and I'm
okay with saying that that that my body is slowing
down its movements and abilities, that I just can't perform
at at the same level.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And I take so much pride in my.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Film up that, Yeah, man, it has to look a
certain way, like every time I step on the field,
that has to look pro Bowl, all pro like. That's
the that's the brand I wanted to leave, so I
never want to leave. Got out there getting my getting
whooped on. That ain't that can't happen.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
You know what, It takes a lot.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
It takes a lot of awareness, self awareness at that
for a player of your caliber, or any player that's
played in the NFL, that's played at a high level,
to understand what it's time to call the quist. Most
of the time we will ride, we'll ride the ride
the car to the wheels fall off, you know, regard
for you know what, I don't look the same. At
what moment did you realize that, you know what, I
really don't have it to be to.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Play at the All Pro or or or Pro Bowl
level anymore. What moment did it hit you?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, I've been dealing with a knee since my third
year in the league, but it's been with me from
for my entire career.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
So man, just I'll speak on this year alone.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I didn't see a practice field like at all, and
not because I didn't want to or the Dolphins just
wanted me to rest. It's like I literally couldn't walk,
you know, I couldn't after a game on Sunday. I
wouldn't be able to walk on my own, you know,
under my own power until Wednesday, Thursday. So I was
only able to play under under under the payment is
(09:00):
I couldn't put any pressure on my knee.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So it was like, I can't keep doing that to myself. Man,
we uh it comes to.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
That time, Yeah, thirty three and you now you get
to be forty and all of a sudden, you're like, man,
what my livers shutting down, my kidneys and all the
other things from taking those pain medicine Because I know
I've seen I've seen linemen have to take vikinging. Just
the practice I get, I get the game. I get
the game. I really do because you know that's once
a week, but the practice ahead.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, no, that's crazy's and that's what I was the
norm for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I didn't. I didn't want to fall in that cycle,
right right.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But the thing Azcho was saying, it takes su space
because to the cat, to the lay person, they don't,
they don't, they don't, they don't really see what you know.
And the thing is is that when you it's kind
of hard to let go and not practice because as
an offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Sets for everything.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You weren't going to jump set when you paid a
lazy fat don't we And and the thing is you got
to practice that during the course of a week. It's
hard for an offensive lineman to just go out there
on a Sunday jump set. Quick said, hey, stab whatever
the case may be, and just go. And you going
against the best of the best. You said it, you
(10:18):
said it's the reps. It's especially for office line play.
We were so based.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
It's based on technique and uh toim and and all
the hand placement and not not to mention the cohesiveness
of everyone, because you know, we're the only unit that
never comes off the field outside of the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
That's one person.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
But we're the only unit that never comes off the field,
so that chemistry and time and it just is really
tough not getting those practice reps and then preparing mentally
for Max Crosby and Miles Garrett.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
And that's not okay, keep doing that, dealing with TJ. Wattson.
I can't keep doing that, man with no practice.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Like, come on, man, boys, like you said, you talk
about your offense Tehran, you talk about your t excuse me,
you talk about your offensive linement, and like, okay, they
get somebody else in there to practice it. But you
and that left guard, y'all need to be cohesive. You
need to like be on the same level and pass
it off because if you're on different levels, guy, go
hit that crack and now everybody's like, man, y'all hate
(11:19):
judge it, but see, you might be a little slow,
he might've been a little fast, and now all of
a sudden you give up a sack when y'all should
have had that situation covered. I know, I look and
everybody doesn't do it the same because I remember practicing
with Gary Zimmerman, who's the who's the two decade All
decade player in the eighties and the nineties.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
He went to the Hall of Fame, but he didn't like.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
He didn't like me, the chip block, he didn't like.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
He like sharpy.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Don't touch he said, if I if I jumped, said it, man,
you hit him, you on the knock him inside, and
now I can't get him, and everybody goes back.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I got so don't touch it.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, that's the real thing, especially especially if you have
a big physical tight end like like yourself.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So like you hitting him too hard?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
He getting momentum, he getting like a joke into the
to the nside move you know what. I got him
to get out the way, get open, get over Jonathan
ja O. Now I played with j O Jonathan Auga.
Whos the first battlet Hall of Famer. He like, hey,
knock him, knock him out if you can't.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
For me. And depends on who it is man who
over there exactly?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
But you, like you said, certain offensive linemen they want
some I mean, hey, stick and stay or some guys
like don't touch it. But like you said, that practice
like for an offensive lineman and seeing like like I said,
I've worked with Zam for like four years, work with
Jail for two years, and to see what they go
through because they're working on their sets.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
They ate, they kicking. Uh, am I gonna stab him?
Am I gonna quick? Sitting? Am I gonna jump setting?
What am I gonna do? And not? In the game?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Man, I want to jump set? But that need bother you. Now,
I can't.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I can't. I can't see. I can't do what I
want to do.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I mean the mind is and say do that that.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You can't do that? No, you can't do it no more.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
When it came to playing the left tackle position, now,
I think about my approach to playing receiver when it
came to DB's and studying each DV every week and
understanding what type of dB I'm going against? You got
some that are quick, some of that fast, some of
the physical, some of that you know, playoff or whatever
may be. What was your approach when it came to
playing defensive ends each week?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Was was your Was.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Your approach different as far as from from a technical standpoint?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Do you change up things you did depending on who
you were playing that week?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
We always I've always said this is a show that
it's a lot of parallels to me, a lot of similarities.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Between old line tackling tackling d N and receiver in corner. Yes, sir,
like that that one on one matchup. It's a lot
of dynamics there that that's parallel to me.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
The technique that goes intoward tendencies, like you said, is depressing.
If I if I jab inside, what are you doing
with his hands? Same thing as I'm bringing the defensive end.
I'm looking at their alignment. First, how wide is the
getting and then it get off? You know, how well
is he time and a snap? Then I want to
see his home runs. What's what's his go to move
that he's consistently winning on. What he's winning on the
(14:10):
most I break that down. That's the one I want
to take away. I want to take that one away,
and then all right, what's his second highest percentage move
to count. I'm taking those top two away throughout my career.
That was the goal, my objective of game planning. I
want to take them top two winners away. Now, if
you beat me with a third, you you you're a
bad man, but you're going you're gonna have to get that.
(14:31):
But for me, I was taking those top two, top
two moves away.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
And one of the things that I've always liked to
ask players that that, once they're done playing, who gave
the the most fits?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
For me?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
And everybody asked me all the time, listen, you played
a very long time, you're going against them. I've always
had to deal with the number one dB and everyone asked,
you know who gave you fits?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
And obviously the one person I say every.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Time that you see had hell you lock everybody up,
but had to be super strong.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
He asked you about nobody will would you were talking?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Hey? Who? So you just want to give him the
flowers for doing that?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, man, I had some battles. I had some of
these guys I say too many times like I didn't.
I didn't want to have these robbery going on. But
you know that's how the schedule to go. I played
as a ton was always one of those. He's one
of those you got it. You can make sure he
breaks like he's one of those for short. But the
guy that gave me the most fits, and I've probably
(15:32):
seen him the most and he is still underrated in
my eyes.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Robert Quinn.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Robert Quinn, Man, oh that first double Quinn, he's been
in that edge. He listened Robert Quinn, he got he
probably got the most sacks on me, Like out of everybody,
he's the person that say I got to on t
stall like he he probably the one person that can
say that, right, Okay, okay, that dude gat Yeah. I
don't even want to see him whost career.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I don't want to. I'm cool, friends, nothing, I don't
want to run in the Robert.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
That's dope because if it's really it's really like a
dang it is because like you said, they're getting that white,
they're getting that what they're getting to that ye nine
And now hey you're like, Okay, I know he gonna
come wide, but what if he dropping bull me?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Okay, now he gonna hit me, and then he's spin inside.
So I got I got all that going into I
gotta look at him. Okay, what is he doing?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Now?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I'm kicking.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I can only kick so far because the damn cornerback
the hell I keep kicking, i'ma be in his damn
last So I can only get brother like two picks. See,
and then I got to say, and I gotta tell you, hey,
I gotta be I don't want him to get it.
I don't want him to bend the edge on me
because he, like you said, Miles can ben ben, But
I also I also don't want him to wax on,
(16:48):
wax out, been crossed my face all that were.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Trying to process all that, man, and they lined up
in this way nine and these athletes are only getting
They're only getting bigger, faster, stronger.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah. So it's man, it's it's it's tough to deal with.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Like Michaeh playing Michael Parsons for the first time, it
was Christmas Day, we in Miami, beautiful day.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
We smacked the cowboys. That ain't part of the story.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
But seeing see Michael Parsons for the first time in
real life, it was different. Bro, Like you are You're
way too big to be moving as fast being that well, like,
it's just the athlete. The evolution of the athlete is
just it's becoming something something different.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Man. Cool, I'm cool, y'all.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And also those guys, especially watching you know, playing against
Derreck Thomas. But the guy that I had the most
respect for, I only played against him for two years
because I was on in Baltimore two years. I've never
seen a guy here size that quick. Was that Jabon
curse the freak man, freak the first time. The first
time I played man, hey, I turned about saying, hey,
(17:56):
y'all better talk. He was gone, called block, dude. He
took a step down because I got I had to step,
so I stepped with it.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Man. By the time I put my foot down, he
was on my shoulder. That's a bad feeling.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Well he get to your he get to your shoulder
and you ain't he hey, you might, that's a bad feeling.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
He saw the picture I was.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I just saw Javon cursing the airport leaving Philly day
before yesterday.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Who before he got that before he hurt the ankles.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Joe, dude, was I'm talking about you talking about somebody
like he's like six four two fifty, I'm talking about all.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I'm talking about five big gloves. I mean his heads
look like a catcher man. Did kurtse get in there?
Did he get into the hall? Nah? Nah? Nah?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
He uh he would? I mean Tennessee, he was at Tennessee,
his best year Tennessee. He goes to uh Philly and
then he had he messed up his ankle, okay, and
it messed up his years. But back in the day,
you know, dealing with DT Bruce Smith was fast too.
Bruce could be in for a guy his size. Normally,
(19:08):
guys to seventy they can't be in like that. Bruce
be parallel to the ground. That movie that you see
that you see a von Miller do where he dip
the hit and come down on one hand.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And get back up. Bruce could do that at two seventy. Yeah.
So hey, that's why you guys make the big bucks.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
That's why you guys are the highest pad on the
offensive line because you guys got the toughest assignment because
you're dealing with like I said, basically it's like Ginger
Robins and Fredistaire. He's coming forward, but you got a
mirror what he does moving backwards. And the thing is,
you got a target that's sitting right there, whether it's
(19:52):
and basically everybody in the shotgun now. So you can
only set so much before he sets your ass in
the quarterback leaf or he reach over the top.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
And you agree.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Listen, Jo, we need some more money, man, Oh lord,
we need some more.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
We need some more that money. We need it all right,
check this out.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Saint Quon Barkler is coming off his best year of
his career, which ending of him becoming a Super Bowl
champion with the Eagles, and now he's gracing the cover
of Man twenty six. Sat Quan was asked if he
were retired at the top of his game or going
to the wheels came off. I'll probably be one of
those guys that will be out of nowhere. I'll probably
just wake up one day, whether it's the next year
or two or four, and just be like, yeah, it's over.
(20:39):
I don't think I'll ever lose that passion. The competitive
nature is always going to be there. I like, probably
my favorite player of all time is Barry Sanders, so
probably similar to that. Maybe one day, like out of nowhere,
I'll probably just be bawling and just be like, yeah,
it's a quiz t.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
We just talked about that because your situation was just
like out of no were like, yeah, yep, a lot
a lot that sudden. Really, the ones in that circle,
they they knew the situation, and I was trying to
push you. I was looking for options to continue, but
it's just it's over for sure, like I knew it,
not as sudden as like Barry Sanders or or Calvin Johnson.
Saquon is incredible Hall of Fame talent. For sure, it'll
(21:21):
be a he he can't walk away all of a sudden.
We need to see some more of that man. That's
a special talent.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
What the difference is between them situation and Calvin and Barry?
They got tired of losing, all right?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
For sure?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That he's in a situation where he's I mean, you
just went to the Super Bowl. Now if you start
to lose, but Barry, Barry got to the NFC Championship
Game in ninety one and never got that close again.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
So Barry got tired of losing. Barry wasn't injured.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, I mean you talked about the guy had average
fifteen hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
For ten seats for sure to go. Yeah, Calvin's the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Calvin like bro Man, we ain't getting no closer, And
I'm going out here and doing all this to my body?
What amout really doing this for when I don't really
have a realistic chance of getting to in winning a
Super Bowl? So I think that's the different. Say quand
a different situation. Now, if he was at the Giants, yeah,
he probably.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Just goes like one day I'm not here.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
But in the situation where he is with that offensive
line without offense with that defense.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't, I don't. I don't
think he.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Just wanted the money different too, Yeah, I mean the
money's all money different.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Obviously different, and obviously he just got paid it. Gave
a nice, nice, nice, nice nice Mili years and sure
take one for a running back for that position, obviously
with a position not as being as valued as it
is now, but being somewhere now where they appreciate you
for what you're doing and they showed you love. I
don't see safe coming and retiring until he has that
(22:49):
that coming to coming to grass moment.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
You know what, I can't do it like I used
to explosion the same way.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I think that'll be the only time he actually called
it quits when he realized, you know what, I can't
get I can't bend that corner like I used to.
I can't hit I can't hit that A. But that
that be a C gap like I want that that
that want to be it and that that ain't.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Probably twenty six, twenty seven, he got twenty eight years.
Just but here's the thing, Joe Lane Johnson still there,
My Lott is still there.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Jersey Line still there and the Dickerson still there.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So it's not like you see some of these off
some of these guys, the offensive line get old and
they starting to move with them out.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
That's the best offensive line in football. They're not going.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It's not like they're about to drop off a cliff
in the next year too, not at all. And they
got them all in the contract. They just did Lane's contract.
They just didn't buy a lot of contract. They just
just did Dickerson contract. Jergensen is a rook that was
on a rookie contract. Nah, he ain't going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
And you know, you know, it's funny when you think
about it.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
As good as Saquon is and as good as that
offensive line is, even if sa Quon was losing step,
let's say it maybe maybe in three.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Years, if that, with an offensive line like that.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
He will still be able to do what he needs
to do because that much better up front.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
So he won't be able to go eighty yards with
anybody without anybody touching him. So now he might have
to break a tackle two yards from the line of
scripmen have the pose to runing through those holes that
my old slow ass could probably get five yards I
ain't gonna hit my head on the goal post like him,
but I might get five yards tea.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I gave about three or four yard drunk fall four,
I gave about three four.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
The them makes hurt.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I can imagine now I hadn't gotten hit on the
man to a two decade.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I shot him like ice. You know how you drop.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Even remember they not hitting like we was back then.
Now it's different. Oh, I don't forgot how to fall.
I don't forgot how to take it again.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
You see you start looking hey, you know how t
when you go like when you leave the season and
you come back and you got to go to training camp.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
You got to relearning. Those don't tingle like they did.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Like once you get going like training camp and now
you go to the season, they don't tingle them and
not twenty years.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Man, I be get that. I run them Michelle across.
It's a zone.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
You're running through the zone. They gonna get fined. They
gonna get fine though they might hit you what they
gonna I won't be fine. They might get fined, but
I won't be fine. That's that's the word. Yo oh cho,
you switch it up on me. Man, you usually have
on the Cardier shaves. I got seven pair of Cardier
saves over.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I was gonna be tonight. Hey, you know on see
what you got? What you got? You know what I mean.
We're in there right now. It's time.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I keep wearing the same ones over and over. I'm
trying to say the rest of them, you know, for
football season when I'm on TV. I got I got,
I got strings, right, I got a different color to
match each suit.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
All right, Yeah that's a different bran.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
They got a different color of that mass suit. But
I gotta see you. I gotta see you, dude.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Though.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Information right off of Twitter he from Canada, brou he
got everything, unbelieving.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I need it. I need it week. Okay, I'm gonna
switch up. You gonna put your door.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Says that when he's a bet, he'll have rookie organize
his locker.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Take a listen, take a look at this video. Guys,
what I'm gonna bet. What I'm gonna do.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
I'm gonna have a rookie organized by locker every day.
If Flacko told me to do this every day, I
would do it. I go to him every day. I said, hey, bro,
you good? You need anything? Right, then, because it's respect
you feel me, I feel that.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I ain't organ So when you came in as a rookie,
what did the bets have you do?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Toron On bets were pretty pretty good to me, man,
Jerry Evans, being Grubbs, Zach Street, those guys were pretty
good to me. I just had to get him yeah, yeah, okay,
get him breakfast every Saturday, uh food for the plane, snacks,
toilet tries. I had to bring that type stuff to
the facility, deoderant, body wash, all that good stuff. So
trying to find a ride to Walmart because Uber didn't
(27:10):
exist in the in twenty thirteen, So trying to find
a ride to Walmart, get the stuff for the guys
and haul it into the facility.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
But they were they were pretty they were pretty smooth
on me. Yeah that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I mean, they want breakfast, sandwiches, they wanted doughnuts, they
wanted chicken the company, they wanted Popeye to come to
the plane. I'm like, come on, guys, y'all, bro y'all
know man, And back then, you know we drove, we know,
we drove drove to the airport, but we had our
own hangar.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
So you drive up, go get on the walk up
and get on the plane.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Man, you better I was driving so fast driving trying
to get there. Bro, I'm on a rookie contract. Man,
I can't. I can't afford now twelve hundred and fifty
dollar fine.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Man, damn.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I remember remember them day I received a group. I
mean obviously the vestment I came into a rookie and
since Sinnati. Man, it was it was love, you know
that there was. There was a certain amount of respect
that that I showed them, a certain amount of respect
that they showed as well.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
But you remember Darnay.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Scott, Yeah, Darnay Scott, Danny Farmer was there at the time,
Ron Dugans there and it was.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
It was all love.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
It was nothing to that magnitude like some of the
stories that I that I hear.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
No, I think we have the hardest time with that.
The receiving room is always that that respect trying to
buck It's always a hard time with that.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
We had a situation in Miami last year, not a
big situation, but uh tyr Tyreek Hill have bought one
of the rookies Christmas gifts and the rookie didn't like it.
Really like what, like it's cool, but you know, youd
give me something better, you know, something bigger. You make
it thirty eight a year, you know what I'm saying.
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And Tyreek was really hurt by that, like he was
really upset.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
That, Hey, what did it get? I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
It was like it was like a like a Gucci
cologne said or something like that, some type of designer
cologne said. And this is this young boy, he twenty
one years old in Miami. Man, he probably don't even
have no colown wearing no colonnia.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I don't want that.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
He wanted to try rig the boum something with a
little bit more more splash to it.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, that was not even plus you'll sing it.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
You know, you gotta sing at training camp and not
no damn fight song either, because I don't nobody, ain't
nobody go to your school, but you so you got
to say something. Whoever the latest see us now like
probably not either be Kendrin Lamar Drake or whomever.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
The hot rapper is right now.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Back then, you know, R and B was still big
when I was coming up and guys singing Teddy Pitt,
the guy who was singing, uh, Luther was singing Barry
why he the undefeated song?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
They did the thing y'all have, Did y'all have a
rookie show? Sure? For sure?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Mike and Dany he was, he was big on that
and Shahpagne was two back in New Orleans. Uh, we
would do the song. Most of the guys would would
do R and B Old school R and B.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I feel like the and you guys probably have a
different song, but I feel like that undefeated song when
the rookie starts singing it, and that rookie show the
whole crowd.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
On Jordan in it's fantation when I see you Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah yeah he started that.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
You get to the first thirty he get to the
first thirty seconds. Yeah, he won't because everybody gonna yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Hey, you know what that song? That song right there
is like when the Swag surface song come on. It
don't matter where you at or what you doing, everybody
join it in.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, grab somebody show.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Everybody.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yeah that's it a.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Uh New Orleans that here we come to get you,
We call to get you.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
That was or that super Dog used to rock Man.
I missed I missed them. I missed that place. I
missed those fans team matter the fact. Think you went
the Arkansas Pine Bluff, Yes, sir, as matter of fact.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
When I was at Link you know about Lincoln University, right, yeah,
and we when I was at Lengths and we played
Arkansas Pine Bluff, they came up, they came on down.
There is a coil, so steal water whichever what it is,
but it's back in nineteen ninety nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
We played Lengths in my freshman year and Lengths and
beat us bro real. It was bad. It was bad.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I know, y'all took the bus. So we took the
bus everywhere. It didn't matter if it was three hours
or if it was twelve hours.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
You owned that. I was on that bus. He's on
that bus. Tear it up. Good days and well see.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And the way we did it is like the starting
offense and the starting defense on one bus and then
the backups on another bus.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Y'all offense and defense. But were the offense bus and defense?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
But no, hell no, started on one bust the back
but you ride this bus.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, you're right exactly about segregation. Oh yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
How they supposed to get better man, they can't sit
and talk to none of y'all because we back there
playing cards, you know, spades, were playing cards. We we know, Yeah,
we all wanted the back to the back of the bus.
You know what I'm saying. We as a matter of fact,
we wanted to go to the back of the bus.
But hey, all of us, it wasn't nothing, specially because
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all of us was black. We had what a kicker
with white Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
It wasn't.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
It wasn't no thinking. I'm sure it's the same thing
with you guys. Did y'all have a white kicker? White
kicker and punter, that's it? And a linebacker? We had
a Yeah, we had a linebacker too. He was a
bad man.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
But that's what you know. But you you missed that.
I missed, you know, taking those you know going to Tuskegee,
uh going to uh we're Burlington, North Carolina, just because
you you know you you're taking the bus. I mean,
it ain't no you know, playing it doesn't matter. It
was like I said, if it was an hour to
Georgia Southern and Statesboro or you going to Tuskihee or
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you going to North Carolina, it didn't matter. Spartanburg, South Carolina,
didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
We would take we take that ten hour bus rode
to Houston, play review Texas Southern. We'd take the ten
hour bus ride to Alabama and them Alabama State.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
My first flight in my life was we got paid
to come play U TIP, so we flew down to UTEP.
They paid us to beat on us.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, whatever, that was my first time. I'm trying to say,
what if oh first time on the flight. I think
I went to Black college, all American. I think I
went to Pittsburgh. I think maybe I flew to see
my brother play. Uh, but other than now, but now
you wouldn't taking you wouldn't. But you missed that because
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guess what. We could stop by a convenience store. And
he's like, man, the guy was like because I was.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I was. I was a captainist the sow. The man
like man, shop man, I'm holding me.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Have Coach David to stop by the stop by the
convenience store. I'm like, I'm like coach man, I'm home, Coach,
can we stopped by a convenience store? Coach didn't looked
at me, say all right, home, we're gonna stop. But
you're responsible for. Man, he already knows what.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
They won't clean the store out, y'all y'all had that
nil money back then. No, we had no n il money.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
That's why he told me I was responsible for him
to make sure they put issue in their pockets.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Money.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
That's why he told me. I'm responding and I'm standing
to the door.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Hey mm hmmmm hm, take it out man.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Man, Oh, Joe, how that donna? Look? They ain't stop everybody, Joe, Yeah,
you ain't see everything. But I tell you what.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Let me tell you what I wouldn't do because I
was one of the few guys that had had a vehicle,
and they and people like man to this day, they're like, man,
Sean wouldn't give nobody ride. Bro, I know who had
the stuff, would follow them out the store. I I
know who a bag of potato chip, soda, honey buns.
It would follow you walk out the store behind you. So, no,
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you're not getting to my car because everybody knew who
my who I was, and what I drove. Man, I
just know they got in the car with Shannon. It
was Shannon Shark. They ain't gonna say nothing else. It
was Shannon Shark.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Oh no, even if he had at Honey Bunny or
slides he Live, swist roll or something.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, Zebra, he might have three dollars, but he gonna
come out of there with five dollars worth the store.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
So no, they got some you he didn't know.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Oh No, and the mall. Never go into the mall
with him, absolutely not. Tell you what do you think
about the locker room decision with two of going through
his third and fourth major concussions. How do I mean? Look,
you you can do all you can try to protect
the guy, but at some point in time, he got
to protect himself. He has to know when the journey's over.
You can't. At no situation should he be allowed. I
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don't know what he was thinking, that you're gonna go ahead,
that you're gonna go head first. Oh somebody knowing his caw,
you know, he definitely he's he has to be aware,
There's no question about it. And he is aware, but
even more and now it has to be proven on
a weekly basis that he understands his importance and impact
to the to the team, to the franchise, to the
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city without too under center.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It's a different it's a different team. It's a different look.
But with him under center, I strongly believe Miami Dolphins
can win any game that he's the starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So no, you're you're absolutely right, except when he gets
thirty degrees.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Here we go, let's get it, let's get into it.
Let's get into man, go ahead with go ahead with you.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
No, he has to know that, he has to know
how how much of a value PC is and and
whatever it needs to do.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
But just just.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Knowing that God, knowing how much you love the game,
and the way that he prepares. Man, it's that competitiveness
against Buffalo this year where stagnant offensively, we get a
drop gone and he's trying to extend on the third
down to try to get another first down. It's just
he can't be the one to do it, you know
what I mean. But he's just been a competitor trying
to trying to wield a team.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I actually I think I talked uncle and I talked
about this last last year some time. Uh, when he
when he went out, I just think he has to
learn to fall a little better and under understanding. But
when when to especially I remember that first down we
went head first, he still got he got up.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
It was like one of the moments we'd be like, ah, yeah, yeah,
for sure, hold your breath moment, but just what.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Journeys, knowing when the journey's over, and then when he
gets hit, knowing how to fall correctly, you know, especially
when you go when you go back and you don't
try to do your best. I know it's hard, but
I was. It's something that I trained myself to do.
Is when you get tackled, you're going backwards, try not
to let your head hit the back of the back
of the back of the ground as hard as it does.
I mean, what I used to do is if I
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get hit hard and I know it's backwards, I'm going backwards,
I would tighten the my core and try to keep
my head up right the best I can, the best
I can, just so I don't get that boom that
that that that initial shock which causes Yeah, cause the that's.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
The one though, the one that you're falling back hit
the head, that's the one that's Yeah, that's the.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
If I'm getting it my best, like I'm holding the ball,
but I do my best as if I'm as if
I'm bear hunting dude, you know, in a sense obviously
literally bare hugging. I'm just saying, trying to keep my
body and my upper body and torso as close to
him as possible even on impact, just so most of
the force isn't the back of the head bouncing off.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
How do you feel like I got on the sideline
and they jump out of bound or or are you
trying to fall forth for the few more yards?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
What you what you think about that? It all depends
in his situation. He can't do it, not even on
four because he's too valued. He gets the first down
and he gets Dean, what have you done? Okay, you
got the first down. Now your backup has to come.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
In and finish out the bar game a whole different time.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I give you a private example, Peyton Manny. Once Peyton
Manny hurt that neck, they never let him do quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
And again yeah, if you.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Notice, they don't let Patrick mahone since he hurt his knee.
They don't let Patrick Mahones do go straight into the
line of scrimmage. You see, you have to protect them.
That's the fact that's he's gonna have. They're not gonna
let him do. Obviously, you wouldn't do no touch push
with Tour. But second of all, bro you got slide.
It's okay, It's okay, slide. I'm not looking at the quarterback.
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Oh he tough for what You're not used to taking
those licks like that, and they're looking to punish you
because you don't have the protection of the pocket, because
once you leave that pocket, you're a runner.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
So I'm gonna hit you like the free game. Uh.
I mean you go from you have Drew Brees for
a number of years and then you go from Tour.
What was it? What was it like?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
What was Breeze like? Brees was a Breeze was a
killer man. He was an assassin.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
He prepared like like a federal agent. He was he
would be.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
He's prepared man like he's trying to build a case
on everything that we played. Man, you would you hear
the cliche first one in, last one to leave. But
that was genuinely him. That was truly him. I would
see him on those off days. Man's he preparing like
none other. And you've seen it every week. And it
was no matter the outcome of the game too. This
was the special part of bottom Note, no matter how
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he played individually or if it was a win and lost.
He put the same amount of time. Man, he gave
every team the same amount of attention and respect. Playing
the Falcons twice a year, that second game, even though
we just beat them about fifteen two weeks ago, He's.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Going to put those same amount of hours in And
that's why he was He was the greatest. Wow, hey, hey,
T did you understand before? Did you understand the animosity
and the hatred that the Saints fans had for the
Falcon fan Did you know that? No? I didn't. Honestly
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
I didn't know that was such a thing, but I
quick quickly adopted quickly.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I hate them folks still Listen.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
I think I found out maybe two or three years ago.
And here I go, try to have a Kumba y'all moment,
trying to get fans become one of the game, you know,
and like man, f no like about like for real,
I'm thinking they you know, I think they playing around
on Twitter. And then people say, like this is really
I really hate them? People like really, no.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
They do not mess with the same Sames fans do
not mess with Falcon fans, and Falcon fans you best.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Believe then, don't they don't. Is that serious? I had
no idea.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I didn't I didn't need it, but I said, I
quickly adopted it. I still hate them to this day.
Like I'm not rocking with the Falcons ever.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Uh. Laces on Leather ranked the NFL atmosphere from best
to worse. What do you think the best atmosphere? NFL atmospherees?
What do you think the best one is?
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Hey, uncle, you gotta be between Kansas City and Seattle,
and the city is number one. Okay. I go through
the top ten.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Cow the Chiefs are one, Packers are two, see Hawks
are three, Vikings are four, Ravens are five, Bills are six,
Lions are seven, Saints are eight, Patriots are nine. Cowboys
are ten. I don't know how Cowboys made it cause
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they ain't got no home feeling about it. They lose
all the time.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, no, for sure. The stadium nice, though. I think
it's just raising the stadium. Ranking the stadium for the Cowboys.
I don't think it's got the environment. I was shocked
they lost. They lost like six games last year and
don Cowboys don't got that. Don't really have a unless
there unless that winning. They their fans to show up.
But there's so many people in that stadium.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
You will hear it. I'm shocked to hear that that
that New Orleans was was so low on that list.
That Super Dome is crazy. It's super crazy.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Yeah, but y'all, y'all, y'all been y'all been, y'all been struggling,
y'all been on hard.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
So this is this is what last year's like. Best atmosphere. No,
but I'm just fair. Look, yeah, I give y'all credit. Now, y'all,
y'all be making some noise because I remember Katrina when
y'all with y'all y'all played in San Antonio. I think
he was in San Antonio when they came back and
glease and blocked that point on that Monday night game
against the I.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Mean you could literally hear it through the television.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
I mean it was if I don't know, and Sean
Payton all the people say they've never heard it that
loud before or since that night.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, no, that I that was definitely a strucial moment.
But during my tenure in New Orleans, we were always
it was us Seattle. Yeah, y'all did as far as
like the loudest crowd noise. The Saints was always near.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
The top, and I'm not surprised that. A look, I mean,
look at this, A lot of these Seahawk vikings A Dome,
Lions Dome, Saints Dome, Cowboys Dome. It's something about when
you can get a you can get an outdoor arena
and you get that kind of like the Chiefs have,
or like when I played the broncos Man.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Oh my, how that thing be rocking.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
They that's seventy six thousand, I'm talking about. They be
going crazy. Pole chargers right down here at the bottom.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
You know, yeah, yeah charges hand Listen. I've been in
some great atmospheres. I played at every stadium that's on here,
and I honestly no one Number two should be the Bengals. Honestly,
cut it out. Listen to me, to stay with me. Now,
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never been in the jungle, boy, You've never been in
jungle on a primetime game in Cincinnati. You see what
you gotta see what you have? You say, I preface
the team a prime time around the playoffs. It ain't
gotta be no prime time game. It can be any game.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
It can be appreciding game, it can be a note
of what you're scrimmaging against yourself. It's gonna be ruckous.
That is what y'all do to do.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
That's what we've been. That has changed tremendously. You hit me,
I have been there was. Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
I give you, I give you credit, Joe, it is
it has from my earlier years to now. I feel
like now is a lot better atmosphere. They were they
all white. Yeah, it is rocking that Joe Burrow, the
Icy White. It's not in the top ten. Not in
the top ten though.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
No, guess what, No, it's not. When they win the
Ice and White.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
All you're gonna do is see them see see them
scared marks because they're gonna poop the bed.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
They already they gonna dough it, poop the bed. I
mean going on at nothing. Bimore Raven coming out. I
know what that is. I know what that.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
That's that hatred y'all was asking me about when the
five in the Saint Well, don't know your hatred?
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Steelers?
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, the Steelers, No, we and us for the in
the Denver it would be it was the Raiders. Then
the cheap I got was that, but the raid it
was it was the steep.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
During my time, it was the Ravens, Ravens and Steelers.
It was bad.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
It was y'all be with Cleveland because y'all try to
fix who own Ohio and he's ain't nobody worried about y'all.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
During my time, we used to beat up on the
Ravens and the Steelers. Yeah, well maybe you did. I was.
I was.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Saw on him that showed on that thing on you black. Yeah,
he put you down, but you got the trip Cardinals
bear the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
So what what you're thinking on Joe? What what they
get right? What they get wrong? I mean, know this
is about right though I'm not sure who made this list,
but it's about right. You know.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
The funny thing about it is the fact that some
of the dome teams are a little low. That's a
testament to the fans in Seattle, in Green Bay, in
Kansas City. And funny thing the first thing I said before,
as soon as you mentioned we've been doing the rank
in the best stadiums, I said, I said Kansas City
and Seattle right away, So goddamn loud.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
T Yeah, yeah, for sure. I don't know if it's
the way the stadium is built. I don't know what
it is. It's like dog, you be on the field
and can't hear nothing. Yeah, no, for sure the Seattle game.
We played them our rookie year in the playoffs and
oh that was to be. That wasn't that? Man, No, okay,
that wasn't.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I wasn't a part of that. I would have tripped him.
But in the second round of the playoffs and Champagne,
so we went up there. We kind of like battle
for the number one seed. Middle of the season. We
played on Monday night, It's twenty eighth to nothing, and
immediately first quarter they smacked us. So when we go
back in the playoffs, Sean Payton had us all these
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custom ear pieces made dead silence. So all week we
were these ear pieces and we nonverbally communicated every play,
every snapcount, and we got up there and we we
we did it. It worked like a charm as far
as that we still lost. Of course, they went on
and won the Super Bowl, but it was it was
that to your to your point, it was really it
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was so loud that it like hurt. So we had
these custom earpieces.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yeah, like after the day with Kansas City, we did
that with Kansas City. But uh, the old Kingdome. Before
they built this stadium, they used to have. They used
to have a dome and see how to call the
King Dome.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
No, that didn't know that. They now it only hold
about sixty. But boy, that's because it always it's always
ran in this Seattle.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Those people walking around sad all week and they go
in the stadium and screen.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
That's all it is. It's all the.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
The old the astronom was like that steal. Oh, the
House of Pay. They used to call it the House
of Pay. They did well. They had warm moon, they
ran to run and shoot and their defense made. Boy,
but the bills, the Bills is like the Bill Stadium.
That's what they got it. They got a nice fo
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I don't know what they call it now. I don't
know what they call it in Mark or whatever. They
call it high Mark or something. But it used to
be called uh Rich Stadium. Yo, Yo, them just gonna
be talking about let's go. Buffalo said, that's.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
That's That was one of my favorite plays to play
throughout my career. The energy is did Joe start jumping
around to you better tell you that it's hard? It's hard.
They got a nice atmosphere up thee Hey, Buffalo got
some crazy fans. Boy, they sucked. They go jumping out,
jumping on Bernie table.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah yeah, no, they got real football up there, real
football atmosphere.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
You know what's funny t T when you think about it. Listen,
Buffalo Buffalo fans deserve their flowers anytime it comes to donating.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
You know when other players they talk, what Buffalo fans
come through like no other. No, that's the Fu's that's
they always show love.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Man.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
Yeah, they used the tragedy. They always lose, so they
know how to handle losing. Well you know what I mean,
Like they know how to get close, get to the
door and get both shut on them. So they used
to lose and they know how to handle it. Well. Yes, Oh.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
So you good Chiefs one, Packers, Seahawks, Vikings, Ravens, Bills, Lions, Saints, Patriots, Costleys, Sat.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
So you think Saints should be in the top five?
Real real Saints amish the top top three environment? Oh
whoa hold on?
Speaker 4 (51:03):
If the Saint's top three environment, then the Cincinnati was
damn show got to be in top.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
Argument.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
Yeah, no, different than I hadn't played at this new stadium,
but the old Metro Dome. You played no metro doome right?
Speaker 3 (51:18):
Crazy?
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Oh standing? I played up there, man. When they had
they had Johnny Randall, they had Chris Doman, rest his soul.
They had Keith Keith Millard, they had Alga and they
had Henry Thomas. Hey boy, they had a defense out
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of this world, boy, boy, boy boy. If Floyd the
defense court down, I think it was Floyd Peters, Floyd Reeches,
Floyd What was Floyd's last name? I think it's Reese.
Boy you're talking about. Come man, don't let them sack.
Don't you let them take that quarterback?
Speaker 3 (51:57):
They was doing that star blow that hard.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yeah all right, Jord, because right now he just logged
on for the fact he wanted on the first athlete,
the original music man fan guy.
Speaker 3 (52:16):
He's been trused. We've been trying to get him on
for a minute. We linked up a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
He said, Man, let me come on night cap and
here you is, ladies and gentlemen, your favorite rappers, favorite
rapper symbol.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
Un what's up? Oh then what they do?
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Man?
Speaker 7 (52:30):
We live in life. We blessed you alive. Man, I'm
loving the man, happy to be here with you. Are
your Nor'm a big fan of the show. Shout out
to my good my guy up there, man, big dog.
I'm not a Dolphins fan, but I'm a Dolphins supporter.
I'm a Dolphins supporter. I got fan out of Miami
with shout out to you, man, shout out to the
whole crew.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
Yes, sir, shout out to make sure you're from your
faith living in La. Now, So were you a Raiders fan?
You're a forty nine Ers fan.
Speaker 6 (52:57):
I'm a Raider. You see that the to us, they
liked the they like the prima Donnas of the Bay.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
You know, they liked that.
Speaker 7 (53:06):
They liked the pretty girl at school. Everybody want the
Raiders was gotten there, Gritton. Growing up, my mom was
in real estate, so one of her first real estate
deals was Lance Johnstone when he came to the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Okayah.
Speaker 7 (53:21):
He used to give us tickets to the game and
my mom would always take me to the game. And
then one of my close friends, Taiwan Jones, he was
drafted to the Raiders from our high school, Deer Valley.
So always been a big Raider fan, Marshawn Lynch, Charles Woodson,
you'd always been a big Raider fan.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
Man, all right, we'll get you out here. CJ.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Gardner Johnson goes off on DC big FANGI on ig.
I was a tenth dummy for them, So now they
can be like my scheme work or did my skills?
Fan make it work? I had zero issues. People had
issues with me, So yeah, let the satary cap be
the excuse.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
Uh, fan Joe. He said that C. J.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
Gardner Johnson trade was a salary cap issue, a salary
cap thing, and I'm fine with it.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
Just don't let the young guys know like y'all did. Hey,
Uh what what hold on? Man?
Speaker 2 (54:17):
Basically, he said the situation was a big fat Joe
the defensive coordinator. He said the they traded him because
it was a salary cap issue. Now, they didn't save
a whole lot of money, maybe a couple of hundred
thousand dollars. But moving forward, because you got who you
got coming up, o Jo. You got that big dog
up front. J Carter, he gonna it's gonna take some break,
(54:41):
big bread. And then you got you're gonna have brother.
You're gonna have brother Mitchell, he gonna be coming up.
You're gonna have Cooper de Jon he gonna be coming up.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Right, so they clean the house.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
So you know, but it happened, Bro, You got a rig,
you got an opportunity to come back, you got a ring,
and somebody wanted you. When somebody trade for you, to y'all,
let me know what you think about this team. When
somebody trade for you, they're telling you they want you. Okay,
though the team didn't want me, but this new team
traded for me. They gave up something to give me,
(55:16):
So clearly they see the value in me, even if
the whole team doesn't.
Speaker 3 (55:20):
C J.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
C J he real passionate, man. He's he's very vocal.
That's that's his that's his his biggest attribute.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
His passion.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
The way that he play the game is like that's
how he is off the field too, though he's very
he's very vocal, very passionate.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
So if it's the way that he's feeling, you really
can't convince some otherwise.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
So, like, even though that the Houston Texans did want him,
they wanted them, they traded for him, they gave away
compensation for him to be a part of their team.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
CJ is still gonna let let Philly know how you feel.
That's just that's just how he is. That's how you are. Yeah, uncle,
you know I talked. I talked to CJ all the time. Man,
CG and I are really close.
Speaker 4 (55:53):
Like like T said, he's very passionate about especially about
the way the game, the game of ball in general,
the way it is and some of the things that
that that he knows what's going on. I think he
allows that passion and love for the game. He gets
that it's business at the end.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Of the day, always has been, always will be. And
it's tough though. It's tough when you devote so much,
you know, like you said, think about it. You getting
out there and you can't walk until Wednesday, and you
out there hobbling, and you doing everything you can to
give them everything you can and then they do something
like this.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
So yeah, I definitely get it.
Speaker 7 (56:31):
I'm trying one dad sore, three of you guys, Like,
what's it? What is it like kind of being married
to a situation. You may have bought a home in
this city or whatever it may be. You raised the
family here and because it's time to blow it up
and we want to get younger players, and what's that
like that transition like having to know you gotta leave.
Speaker 4 (56:52):
Right, you understand it, You understand it, see him like
I already knew. At some point, I knew my time
was coming. I didn't know when that day would be.
Obviously I was able to squeeze out ten years normally
ten years to your cut off point, no matter how
good you are. If you go down the list of
some of the great receivers, that have been very few
that stayed on one team for a very long time.
The two that I could think of, maybe the longest,
(57:13):
might have been Jerry Rices and Larry Gerald. You know,
Jerry at some point left, but Larry, for Jeral's one
of the few I could think of that stayed and
won an.
Speaker 3 (57:21):
Organization for a very long time. I knew my time
was coming.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
So while I was there, wherever I was at, whatever cars,
I was there well often to play in my hand.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
See, I had fun.
Speaker 4 (57:30):
So when that time did come, you know, I was
at peace with it because I understood the business side
of it, which is why I chose to have fun
instead that I understood the politics and businesside that came
with it.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
You know it's going to happen, but it doesn't make
it any eiier, Right, what you or what you give
to that organization, all those painkilling injections that I took,
all that, all all that, those those toor doll shots
that I took just to be able to go play,
and now I have one down year, Like, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:58):
It was good.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
Seven consecutive Pro Bowls, first Team All Pro through a
five yard all that. It's tough side to you, Hey, T,
I ain't gonna tell you don't like, yeah that is
I'm like, bro, Damn, I thought I was gonna be
one of them John Elway, and I'm gonna get me
twelve thirteen T with one.
Speaker 3 (58:18):
Yeah. No, it's real. It's real, cymvil for for real.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
Just and just to add to what what o Cho
and Uncle's saying, especially, it's it's today's media and Adam
Schefter and Ian Rappaport them guys get the news before
you do, you know what I mean. So that's that's
the part that I've seen be really impactful negatively to
some players. I had one of my teammates here in
the Saints. He was a running back and we bro
(58:43):
we chilling and training camp, playing the game, and he
just scrolling on Twitter. Bro, he just got released by
the Saints. He had no idea, like, no idea, and
it was real.
Speaker 3 (58:55):
He got released.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
They kept one of the rookie running backs that they had,
they had drafted so on. He had no idea, you
know what I mean, that's the part that hurt mine.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
The fact that the matter is is what Ocho and
I we go around sometimes I'm like, bro, when Adam
Schefter and.
Speaker 3 (59:08):
These guys be talking, where do you think they're getting
that from?
Speaker 2 (59:11):
They getting that from the teams, They're getting that from
the general managers, They're getting that from owners, They're getting
that from player personnel director. They're getting that from NFL sources.
Oh yes, they dude, I mean Adam Schefter making you know,
lots of money. These were these are insiders. They making
a lot of money, and they built up great relationships
because and this is why they say anonymous. This is
(59:33):
why they say sources, because the moment they give up
one source, they're done. I hope you've made a lot
of money because if you give up one source, nobody
will ever go on record with you again. Nobody will
ever tell you ish. That's why Adam Schefter got all
those phones, That's why he taking calls.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
He's live on air taking calls the may no dummy calls, trust.
Speaker 7 (59:55):
Me, that's crazy. That's why I got so much love
for the King. You know we see out the eye
when it come to King j James. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I got so much love for the King because these
organizations got the ability to move you where they want
you to be, but you never kind of got the
opportunity to pick where you want to go.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Yeah, but let me ask you one question I'm gonna
get out of you guys. Way uh going going through
your discography? Man, what what's it like to have a
song with the legendary DMX made it?
Speaker 6 (01:00:23):
Honestly, bro, Like, I can't, I can't.
Speaker 7 (01:00:27):
I can't tell you because the way that happened, I
really wasn't involved on the process of that. That was
Joinner Lucas's team and him and X had a relationship
and right before X had passed, I believe that might
have been the last verse. Joiner told me that he
might have laid before he passed, had a great relationship
and they had laid a song and one day Joiner
(01:00:49):
hit me, he was like, yo, I got this joint
me and X, did I.
Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
Want you to get on it? And of course, I
was honored to be a part of it is X.
Speaker 7 (01:00:57):
I grew up trying to be like X, from rapping
like him to trying to act like them in Exit Wounds,
you know.
Speaker 6 (01:01:03):
So it was just a blessing to be a part
of it, honestly.
Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Man. Yeah, but Tie, I know you got to get
out of here. Man, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
We appreciate your time looking out and when you get
some more time, hey, stop back by with us again.
Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Man, We love to have it. We appreciate you guys.
Hold on what you got, uh hey, tell us about
the YouTube channel you getting.
Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Oh yeah, just really man, being a big fan of
you guys, showing everything you guys doing. I'm looking to
get into my own I want to talk O line.
I want to talk on line D line, get some
details of the trenches. How Kobe and Peyton Manning had
the detailed show and they really broke down what.
Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
They're seeing and how they analyze the game.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
I want to be one of those people and kind
of really take over that that avenue for O line,
D line to words easily digestible, so I can I
can be an educator in that space. So you know
what technique is used. You know who that sack is
on and how it happened, you know what I mean.
That's gonna be a part of my YouTube show, So
Toronto Upstairs show coming.
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
So man, I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
You already got a partner, We got some we got
something in the workpiate line.
Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Yeah you got you got you know, Big Willy Andson.
Yeah for sure. Yeah sure believe me.
Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
I mean we believe we'd be real good in that space,
especially from an informative standpoint, playing a playing the old
line position.
Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Man, he's really gonna be there for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Yeah, all right, what TV We really appreciate Daddy YouTube
show launched on June seventeen. He's gonna break down. It's
gonna be the final points of old line and d
line play What actually happened? The set, quick set, jump set,
He watched the staff, he dropped down, he played for
the bull, he been all of that stuff. So all
the good stuff, that the interesting stuff that a lot
(01:02:54):
of people don't talk about. You'll be able to get
that on tear uh Toront's YouTube channel, so Chick it
Out is launching June seventeenth. T appreciate your chime, man,
and when you get an opportunity to stop back by with.
Speaker 6 (01:03:05):
A shout out to tea appreciated something.
Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Yep, the volume
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