July 14, 2021 • 38 mins
Cooper sits down for a bowl of chicken noodle soup with Hall of Fame Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher. They discuss getting noticed as a high school prospect out of New Mexico (2:00), his unexpected pre-draft rise to the #9 overall pick in the 2000 NFL Draft (9:00), how he got his starting spot with the Bears as a rookie (13:00), why Coop palmed Urlacher's head when they first met (17:00), what made the dominant early 2000's so legendary (22:00), what it's like playing golf with Michael Jordan (25:00), the surprising way he learned about his Hall of Fame induction (28:00), which players he wishes he played with during his career (32:00), and which linebackers he loves watching in today's game (33:00).
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College Hall of Famer, NFL Hall of Famer Chicago Bear
linebacker Badass Brian or Lacker. Welcome to suit with Coop,
my friend. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. So
you got your looks like chicken noodle and my guessing right.
You know, I follow your lead. If you're having chicken noodle,
I'm having chicken. I'm not gonna go against you. If
you tell me to eat chicken noddle, you tell me
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to eat you know, split pea. I don't care what
it is. I'm following the leader. Here's a steaming hot
mind's going for about twenty minutes. It's uh, and I
got the little circles now. You know, they make the
new stuff for the kids out to make some fun.
Looks legit. Mine's kind of not legit, but still taste it.
I'm glad you've never grown up. You still like the old,
you know, whatever it takes when your old. A restaurant
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and getting lobster best, you know, nice stuff, but not
at home. I don't think I can make it as
well as you do with restaurants. Did you eat a
lot of soup when you were playing for the Bears? No?
Why not? Hey? Everything? Man? You know, if I was sick,
obviously I would eat some. You know they always recommend
hot sup. But I mean I was so bad with
my diet when I think I eat everything. You know,
I didn't realize that you need to eat good until
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probably you're six or so. I am McDonald's, Wendy's, Taco Bell,
my first five everything, I was horrible, terrible. Did they
not feed you at the at the complex? But they did?
It wasn't like not like it is now. You know,
these kids, these kids, you know, the players now get
you know, six meals a day at the facility and
when I when I played, it was breakfast a lunch,
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but um, I didn't like the food there, so I
would have my wife or somebody bring me food at
the facility, McDonald's, whatever. And then I discovered Chipotle in
my sixty year. That was the move. Now that's healthy right,
as healthy as just grilled cheese right here. That I mean,
the whole thing going. Well, it is my show to
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make me hungry. When I have a show, I can
do whatever the heck I want. I can, I can,
you know, they just mail it right in. I could
have lobster Thermidor coming in here if I wanted to show.
Uh um, Brian growing up New Mexico is not a
I would say, a typical hotbed of college athletes coming out.
What's the school, what's the athletic scene look like in
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New Mexico. Yeah, we're not very well thought of, like you.
It's not a hot bet like you would say. Um,
you know, it's hard to get recruited out of Mexico.
At least when I was coming out and we didn't
have huddle, you know, back then it was just you know,
the coaches saw you. You You were lucky to get recruited.
Now they got huddle, they can send their film out.
But I had one offered and one offer to go
to college. It was the University of New Mexico, So
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of course I accepted. Um, I want to go to
Texas Tech. I went to their camp before my senior
year and I was most outstanding camper. I was, you know,
I had a good camp, and they just told me
I could walk on, but they couldn't give me a scholarship.
So obviously it was the easy decision to go to
you and M and I'm glad it worked out pretty
good for me. How big were you coming out of
junior year? Senior year? What kind of I mean? I
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know you played every position? Yeah, well we were. We
had like thirty guys on our team, so we had
we probably had seven guys going both ways. And now
it's unheard and I feel like for the kids to
play with offense and defense and you get one or
two guys, but it's unheard of. Um, I was six
FO when I graduated. That's a perfect quarter that's a
perfect quarterback prospect. I should have been a quarterback. I'm
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so piste off still because man, I got a gun.
You should see me throw, not anymore because my risk
is all messed up. But back when I could uh
actually be a decent athlete, I had a cannon and
I got jiffed out of quarterback. I probably still be
playing now. Did you have a touch or do you
just throw it far and hard? Anything you wanted. I
could place it, I could put touch on. I could
throw a duck. I can throw it behind on whatever
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you want me. I could do it all. Did you
ever did you ever lobby to the coaches in college
and say, hey, go ahead, just give me a little
shotgun action? Not in college. No, I got screwed out
of high school and then I just kind of put
that to rest when I went to college and stuck
with with defense and receiver. But I really think I
could have been a quarterback. But I was thirst string
in eighth grade and then I never got higher than
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third string. Sucks I was. They didn't give me a chance. Man,
what could have been you know, what could have been
minor lack or quarterback. We're probably having a whole different
kind of soup if that's the case. I can't even
imagine what would be would be taught. Well, first of all,
i'd still be playing in the NFL if I was
a quarterback, So you mean me and you know, being
TV twelve, we're drafted the same year. Can you believe that?
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Did you even heard? Did you know him? Did you heard?
Have you heard of him a little bit? Maybe because
he played in Michigan? Oh no, I didn't. Well I
didn't really know anybody, you know, and no one knew me.
So you know what you want to all these draft
things and you can get to know guys. And I
saw I met Tom at the Pro Bowl our second
year we both made it, and I met him in
the elevator, But um, prior to that, and you know,
I didn't know unless you were a first round guy
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or a top guy, I really don't know anybody was
just like you probably don't know me. So you got
you get to New Mexico, no one knows you. You're
just trying to find your place, playing a little bit,
benched a little bit. New coach comes in, likes you
a little bit more, And then what happened? Did did
the light go on? Man? So my first year I
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played all special teams as a true freshman. Then my
second year I didn't start at all. Not we had
a senior in front of me was split time out
there team and tackles as linebacker, but then start and
then coach Long came in and his defense. They had
this rover position we called the bobo where you just play.
I played twelve yards deep in the middle and went
to the ball, so you know I was and by
then I was too forty five, So I was and
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it was crazy. Thing is couple the more weight I game,
the faster I got. It was good weight. You know,
I had a great frame for it. And um, I
put a lot of must along in my first couple
of years. You know, high school you never get a
chance to train for well when I when did you
play basketball and track and baseball in high school as well?
We didn't specialize. So I went from football to basketball
to tracker baseball, and I was at my whole high
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school career. Now the kids just played football or basketball.
They do one thing so they can specialize in train
for that. I never trained for football until I got
to college, so I gained late like crazy. But anyway, um,
when the coach Long right there, they put me at
the rover man, I never got blocked. I ran into
the football. I may I got to play receiver. I
returned punts. Uh this he let maybe a football player,
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you know, my first couple of years, I just kind
of I never played backer in the high school and
then they put me there. But I was a saw
off more and I didn't want to do them. But uh,
I figured out how to play that robo bushion pretty well.
I just ran into the football hit people. Were you
always a tough guy? I mean when you in in
high school? Were you the guy getting in fights and
that kind of guy too? Or I just loved loved contact.
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So I was a turd in high school. So if
you're standing around the pile, I would hit you. And
I told my son, we watched my my film. Sometimes
I do not do that crap. Don't be a dick
head like I was. Um, show some respect to their players,
but like if the whistle didn't blow, I was gonna
hit you. Um, like you got the line one standing
around the pile. You're not kind of like lineman do players? Now? Yeah,
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that was me in high school. If they were standing
around the pile, I come up and hit him. I
mean it wasn't illegal, but it was. It was dirty
and cheap. And then I when I got to college,
that that was that was gone. I was just trying
to clean up my act a little bit and be
a respectful football player. And I just kept going from there.
And so the kind of the legend of Brian Orler
really takes off in your latter years in I mean, well,
I mean, you know who is it's always these days.
(09:00):
It's kind of like when you're from a smaller school.
There's not a lot of film on you or you know,
back then. It's almost like it was four years ago
when you hear these legendary stories of you know, Bo Jackson,
because no one could could be bad dated and you're like,
who is this? What is this mysterious person coming out
of nowhere at and uh and literally you went from
zero to you know, to a hundred overnight two years.
(09:23):
I mean, mal Kaiber mentioned my name and some draft thing,
and then all these scout stars showing up with our practices.
You know, I went. I almost left my junior year.
I'm bad I didn't. I would have been terrible. I
got a chance to play on the coach long for
one more year. It helps I end up go in
the first round, obviously, But I just and I kept
getting like I said, I kept getting faster song every year. Um,
and my senior year I played pretty well. Uh. It
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was a good tackler, man. I was a good open
field tacker back in college, because you know, twelve yards deep,
you just you take good angles. Um. And Mountain West
wasn't I mean, it wasn't a great conference. It was
still some big football players in that conference. Knows our
conference with Steve Smith. You know, the receiver at Carolina
that you returned two punts on us my senior year
at Utah should have had a third call back for
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a penalty. But so there's some good players in our
in our conference. Um. So I think that also hurt
me as well because people didn't think we had a
legitimate competition. But whatever Steve Smith was, he'd hit you
after the whistle too, and it was a base He
played to the whistle, the echo of the whistle. Now,
what about did you go to the combine? Tell me
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about that. You come up to the combine, man, So
I went, and I was ready, but I was um
instructed not to run the forty, not to do anything.
Just go do them. You know it is back back
in the day, no one did anything because you didn't
want to want to run still forty. But then I
got I went to the Bears meeting and Greg Blosch goes, like,
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you gonna brother forty tomorrow. I said no, so I'm not.
He goes, why not, got something to hide? I got no.
He goes, are you in shape? I go, yes, what's wrong?
What what are you scared of? Like nothing, I'm just
I was instructed about my agent and Neber when we
spoke about not running, and I'm gonna do the bench
press on that. He goes, You're scared, Like, I'm not scared.
I just and then he goes, think about this. He goes,
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at your pro day, you may have twenty scouts and
you may have ten GMS, ten coaches at the combine,
every one of them is here. You won't get a
better opportunity to run in front of all these coaches,
all these tms, all these scouts. I was like, yeah,
So without telling anyone, and I didn't tell my agent
and tell anyone, I ran. I did everything I went.
I ran him four or five, six, five seven, forty,
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did the all the drills well, and I'm glad, I
did you know? Greg? And then embarrassing I'm rafting me obviously,
but coach Blosh challenged me. He was like, what what
do you got to hide? And I was like nothing, Sir.
I was like because of very intimidating going to those
meetings with these coaches. Man, because I'm a young kid
from the Mexico, I didn't really know what to think.
But he uh, I'm glad he challenged me, because I
I rose up and and did everything. When did you
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get the tattoo them, Glenn? I crossed my arms so
you can see that to remind you. I got that
my freshman year in college, Cooper, So I've had it
for twenty five years. My son, my youngest son, hid
where's fifty four? Because of you. He was a linebacker
like his name. Yeah, he since eating his way out
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of linebacker into the oce of line. But he's he
wants the barbar tattoo. I told him he can get
it when he's ninety three. Get him the hannup, get
a hantut tattoo. So it'll last for like a week
and it'll be done. It's perfect. Yeah, it'll be Yeah,
it'll just grow out of it. I'm sure I want
to get rid of this. So bad. I just, uh,
you know, you're eighteen years old, you thought, but I did.
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I'll say this, I have mine before Pamela Anderson got hurt. Okay, yeah,
I got it before she did, so I'm happy about that. Um.
But yeah, I just I thought it'd be cool when
I was a little freshman in college too, two whatever,
ninth pick in the draft. And there's I mean, there's
their positions in the NFL that carry a lot of weight,
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whether you're the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers or
you're uh you know, I mean these days now New
England would happen, but nothing has more of a historical
relevance than linebacker. Chicago Bears. Get I mean, but kiss
Singletary and now you Hall of famers to cross the board?
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Is that overwhelming for a young kid out in New Mexico?
You know, honestly, couple, I had no idea when I
got there. If you start go all the way back
to Bill George Bill George Buckis Singletary unbelievable and not
just middle linebacker, but the history of defense in that city.
And I had no idea when I got there and
they started me out at Sam linebacker, I knew I
was gonna play Mike eventually, but I didn't know I
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was doing that. Put me a Sam to get me
on the field. But unbelievable tradition there, and you figured
out if you don't know before you get there, you're
gonna know a real quick once you get there, because
the media will not let you not know. So it's
very much talked about in the media and stuff like that.
So you learned quick the tradition in the history of
like I said, not just a middle linebacker, but defense there.
But it's great. How many places you know, if you
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play a middle linebacker, that's where you want to play.
You want to be in that city because the fans
love defense. I love linebackers. It's just that's the place
you want to be. Was that was a speed of
the game overwhelming early on, you know, the mental part
of the game. Cooper was tough playing Sam. I've never
been on the line of scrimmage before and it was
hard for me to use my hands and jam tight ends.
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I'm a space player. I was always a space player
in high school, college, and you put me on the
tight end for you know, we're gonn under front. I'm
always on the tight end Jamin him. But it was
the best way to get on the field or they
on until I got benched in training camp. So and
then the second game of the year, Barrymnter gets hurt
at Mike and coach Boss says, go play mine. I
was like, I never played Mike. He goes just running
the football. I'm like, okay. And I started every game
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after that, But it was I picked it up pretty quick.
You know. I feel like I'm a decently smart guy.
So the more I played, the more I saw it,
but the better I got pretty cool. I probably took
me about six or seven games to learn the defense,
and then I took off pretty good from there. And
then you mentioned, you know, a year or two later,
you're at the Pro Bowl hanging with the best players
in NFL. Did you ever I know, you're probably not
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a guy to sit back and reflect too much. You
just kind of take what's coming and attack it. But
did you ever sit back and go this. You know,
a lot has happened here in the last four or
five years here and here I am at the top
of the you know, the top of the game, all
these great players. It's funny cause my rookie, you're actually
made my rookie year as well. I went as an
alternate Stephen Boyd build out from Detroit, so I got
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to go, and of course I went. But I'm married
with um Derrick Brooks, Warrnant Sapp, John Lynch, all these
great players who I you know, Brett, I mean, none
of these guys, your brother. I'm sure your brother was
there too, but all these players that I watched as
a kid in college. You know, I'm a you ever
moved from college and I'm now playing in the Pro
Bowl with the guys. So I used to look up
to my last couple of years in college it was
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it's unbro. And then you know, it kind of take
some time to get used to that, your starstrucker practice.
You're in meetings like, wow, look over there, that's Marshall Folk,
There's uh, there's Larry Allen just and I was a
big Cowboys fan growing up, so anytime Cowboys got around
that was cool was held to me. But it was
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Bowl paid and invited me to go one year. And
then I don't know if you remember this, but I
used to do a lot of business in Chicago and
I was at dinner one night at Joe's. Yeah, and
I was. I had a kind of business dinner. We
were into the cups pretty good. And you had a
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group of eight look like kind of maybe some small
high school buddies, some small college guys, just you know
your age, you all shitting around to the offseason, and uh,
I've had just enough, you know, liquid courage to come
up and say hello, and I were you were sitting
there and I kind of we had a visit. We're
laughing a little bit, and then you know, you had
that that that great head that just fit into a
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helmet like it was you were born. And for some reason,
I was obviously just tipsy enough. I just kind of
grabbed your head like middle with these seven guys, and
they all looked at me like you were you have
no idea how close you are to dying right now.
And I woke up at like two or thirty in
the morning having a panic attack, going let an hell
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that I just do Brian and I are not that closer.
I can just palm hist there though. You got the pedigree,
so it's okay, Yeah, I'm not. I'm not an angrier
or violent person. I never was away from football. I
was always like, you know, people get away with so
much ship around me. I never really I didn't care,
you know, I just uh, I kind of mote with
the flow all the time. But yeah, my head, man,
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I remember when my neck used to be kind of
big and you know, the perfectly ball shaped head. Yeah,
good old days. Now the hair you look like a
you know, like a CEO now as opposed to you know,
you know, I do like it. So I got the
people from my store of the company that I partnered
with approached me and I want to say and like, hey,
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would you maybe br spokesman? And I was like, hell, know,
I love it. I don't like having here. I like
being ball I like being able to worry about anything.
And then they're like, well if you don't, you know,
if you don't like the procedure, you can still shave
your head and they'll there'll be no scars. I was like,
that's easy enough if you don't take a risk. And
then so I did it. I went through the process
and my hair started growing out. You know, because if
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you've been you've been balled for twenty years and you
get here, you're like, I don't like it. And then
I was gonna drive to a Chick fil A. I
went through the drive to a Chick fil A and uh,
this little there's like a play fifteen sixty year old
girl at the drive through and she was like, oh,
you look really young. I was like, I'm keeping it.
That was and my kids and my wife didn't minded
too much at first. It was it was a change,
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you know because as aaron so long. But my wife
liked it right away, so it was like, I'm keeping it.
I'm doing it. And then now you know, it's my
billboards are all over Chicago. It's crazy, it's nuts, it's fantastic.
Um when you were playing Brian did you look at
your another player as an opponent, was at the quarterback?
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Was it a guard? Was it something who did you
look forward to playing with? And then also not look
forward to play because they were you know, in your
in your grill. You know, the linemen were always up
paying the ass. They're all so big and they cheat,
they hold you, they cut you or threw under in
thirty pounds. Why are you cutting me? I'm I'm touring
fifty pounds. She's just grabbing and throwing me on the ground. Anyway,
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the quarterbacks man, you know later in my career, Uh,
Aaron drew your brother, Both brothers, they knew what you were, Tom.
They all know what you're doing before the ball snap.
It was so hard to trick them, you know, because
you know they do a little stupid leg heights and
there's twenty seconds left on the play clocks. So you're like, oh,
we gotta we gotta shift to guard and then like
and then start changing the defense. Their their offensive call. Luckily,
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you know, must lovely got there. We could we start.
We got to where we could change our defense as well,
because you know, if you're uncovered to they're probably check
into a run. If you're an eight man front, the
probably check to a pass. So we we figured that
out a little bit, you know, the more we played
our defense, so when they did check, if we had time,
we would we would also check and put ourselves in
our situation. Um did the thing what they're doing. If
we ended up and covered to every play, we're in
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good shape, you know, if we had a blitz on
and they call us out of it or whatever. But
the quarterbacks are so good, they're so smart. You know,
they always undress your defense to see exactly what you're
doing every play. Yeah, it seems like that's all anything
pre snap is just to try to get a tip
on what you're at least what you're not in and
then before they can limit some things. And that's all
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the motion, all the you know, emotions used to drive
me crazy, Cooper, right, I used to because you know,
early on in my career when they motioned, everything changed,
you know, your strength, change, your your coverage, you went
to two two to just everything changed. Later in my career,
it was easy because we our defense is so simple,
but it still drove me crazy because I know we
have to reset the front and then what they do
is they get You get your guys up front thinking
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like what do we All they want to do is
make you think about half a second. Then they beat you.
You know, football happens so fast that they get you
think about something you're not supposed to be doing. They win.
We all had some really good defenses. At times you
don't even have to mask meything and just say here
we are, we're gonna whip your ass. We did. We didn't.
We ran cover two probably I'm not six on the
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time when we were when we we had guys that
can rush the pastor we we didn't need to do
anything else. Obviously a situation changed, we run something else.
But we were covered to defense and we did it well.
We ran to a football, our corners tackled, They forced
the football back in, so it's like in my man
box with those two corners out there, forced everything back
inside so we could do it versus the runners. Well,
when you think about those teams, I always like to
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talk to about great teammates, you know, that's such a
it's such a lost term, you know, like he's a
great player whatever. But the guys who just you absolutely
can just look, you know, look at him in the
locker room before and going, he's got my back, I
got his back, and he he makes this team better
and if he left could be chilled. Bro I'm getting
chills right now talking about about that. Who are some
(24:24):
of the teammates that that pop in your mind and
you just let lance not even close lance, you know
when you talk about the eye contact in a game.
We I could he could run through a gap, but
we we would know just where the other guys gonna fit. Man,
we played side by side for ten years. We knew
each other. Were thinking. He would stress me out sometimes
because priest nap like, he's got the A gap and
he's out here. I'm like, what's he doing out there?
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He's got the A gap, He'll play the gap from
the D gap. I was ending up in the right spot,
you know. Just we just had this rapport between each
other and past Coward, especially because our cover too, we
we change it up quite a bit to fit the
offenses we were playing. Charles Stillman another guy you could count. Uh,
you know, I played ten years of both of those guys,
Chris Harris, Mike Brown. A lot of guys don't remember
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Mike Brown. Mike Brown was a great football player. You
know those three years and are already got hurt. He
you know those two thousand and one he returned and
overtime pick six is to end games and overtime against
San France, then the next week against Cleveland. So's just
so I could go on there. My teammates were unbelievable.
You know, there's a reason we were good on deefense.
We were good at every level. And do you hate
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Minnesota and Detroit in Green Bay? I don't hate him.
I don't like him. You know, we play him twice,
their teams in your division, and you just get tired
of him. You know, um and their fans don't like us.
We don't like them. But I don't hate the strong
word Cooper. I just I don't like him as much
as I like their teams. How's that soup tasting right now?
As they getting? Sorry? Yeah, you got me, Joe. You know,
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chicken noodle has a medicinal flavor to it and nostalgia historical.
You know, I don't know if it's an old wives tale,
but if you're under the weather in any way, shape
or form, that's it. You took a noodle soup. That's
lows My mom used to make it when we were sick,
when I was a kid, and then now it's still
you know, if my kids ever worked, soup fixes everything, right,
(26:12):
It fixes everything. Fixes a good interview. I know that,
especially yeah, someone like me. Um, now you're your golf game.
Were you always a golfer? Your golf game is kind
of uh been put into overdrive lately. I love golf. Um.
I didn't play until I got to the NFL. It
couldn't afford it. So you know, once I got a
little money, I can afford to buy some nice clubs. Uh.
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But I love it. You know you play right, I do.
It's still fun. You're competitive, you know you you the
handicaps should level everything out. If you got a guy
with handicap, it should even them out. But I just
love it's a great gambling on the golf course. I
love it's fun. You're a little side game going, but
you're never gonna be as good as you want to
be a golf It's the hardest game you'll ever play.
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Even guys on tour, you know, they're never as good.
You can't do a samething every day. That's what I
love about. A different challenge every day. You know when
you're talking about in Chicago, obviously tons of great golf courses. Yeah,
and you mentioned gambling and golf in Chicago. Uh, Michael
Jordan would pop up. Have you ever had the play
off Michael? A few times? I played with Michael my
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second year. The first team. We get up there and
I hit my ball and I'm I cut the ball
or back then it was a slice, but I cut
it now. Um, the first team, I hit the ball
seventy yards straight left, Like I don't hit the ball
that thing. He goes, I'm gonna get everyone does that
with me on the first team, says I'm gonna give me.
I'm gonna give you another one. But that was a
nervous ball because you're playing with me. I was like, oh, Chie,
(27:38):
thanks man. Yeah, but I played. I actually saw Michael
at his He's went to the growth. I haven't been.
I haven't been yet. I hear it's great Payton's ben.
I saw shot Man. That's great. Yeah, fun course, great
hangout plays. So I saw him last year in January
down there. But uh, he's good. He's Michael play takes
it seriously as well. He Uh he placed thirty six
a day. It's crazy. I can't. I'm not not that
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much into it, but I like it. What what are
the stakes when you play with Michael Jordan's like a
hundred bucks? But when I was younger, you know, it
was like a hundred bucks or nine whatever you lose
three five bucks. So now I haven't played with him
for money in along time. We bold when year for
for a hundred bucks a pin like two thousand five
or six people were bowling for a hundred dollars a
pin difference UM in Chicago there, But I haven't played
(28:21):
golf versus for money and a while I was in
a group for US last time and played. I've been
nervous over a over a tin footer before. I've never
been nervous over a bowling ball. I was. I did
pretty well that day. I was bold like one nineties something,
So I was doing good. That's funny. Yeah, you know
you watch his his the documentary this, you know during
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the last dance, that competitive streak of his. I love
we We talked to Mark Schlaire to the day we
played with Elway, and always he's about Elway and how
competitive is and just how he hates to lose and
it's got you know, it's not like okay, got you know,
good game, it's just like it. It can almost ruin
the time. He hates so bad. That's the Michael w
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I mean, just you watch those shows and you're like,
people think he's a dick, but no, he's trying to
motivate his teammates. He wants to win more than anybody else.
No matter what you're doing, he wants to beat you
at it. Um. We used to play in a softball
game every summer in Chicago. I get nine guys and
ten guys that you get ten guys and we played
best of three. Uh. These little parks are now Chicago
and they're competitive. Man. We didn't want to lose, but
(29:31):
it just shows you how guys got to be to
get to that level. I guess Brian, when you were
when you how did you find out you were um
inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame. Um, So we're
you know, you're sitting in your room there and uh
we were in Minnesota that you're at the Super Bowls there.
So you fly there that Saturday before and then you
(29:53):
know they come and knock on your door. They give
you a phone if you get the phone rings, it's
not good. You didn't make it that you're well, it's
not bad. And I'm saying you're just not that year
and you won't be inducted, you know. Um. So we're
sitting on I got my wife, my three kids, my agents,
I guess, but they're not they're left. They're my best friends,
they're not really my ages. Uh Bryce and uh build
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we're in there. He has somebody else in there too.
I'm so bad for remember anyway, but my kids and
my wife are there, which is the most important thing. Um.
And you know you're sitting there for three hours waiting
to know what's gonna happen because the guys are in
their voting, they're doing this and that, and then you
know your every time the phone rings, you're like, oh, man,
but it's the room phone. What doesn't matter about yourselfone.
(30:37):
So then David Begger comes and knocks on your door.
David six eight three nineties, huge man, um. And he
comes to knocks on your door and you're like, I
was like, oh, the relief of just getting that knock
is is because you know, you get to build up,
you get the releases, you get top twenty five, top
fifteen this and that doesn't mean anything until you get there.
So to get that knocking kind of the relief I
(30:59):
guess of knowing that you made it. It was pretty
darntcol that's amazing. I had heard, you know, that's pretty
I would be. I'd be pretty tough if you're you know,
a finalist and you're there and you're in the hotel
room and then you know, obviously you get the phone
call as you may not get it, and then you
go back next year. I heard Marvin Harrison who went
the first year and got the phone call, and he said,
(31:21):
I'll come next year, but after that, I'm never going
back here. That's it. I can't wait around here and
get you know, objected. I think I would have been
a one and done guy to a Cooper. I think
if if I had got the phone call out and like,
I can't put myself through some myself and my family
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do you have a son now who's um gonna be
a sophomore playing sports? What do you what you know
football is not for everybody? What do you what do
you love about football? And what do you want him
to kind of appreciate that you that you loved about
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it so much. I just love Remember one of my teammates,
I think there's the greatest thing to be around guys
that you may not normally be around, but you're on
the team, so you're around you. You spend time with
each other, you learn to deal and play with each other.
But hard, hard work man, dude, Like I don't have
to tell him to go work out. I don't have
to tell him to go do this, and that he's
asking me, can you take me here? Can you take now?
(33:52):
You got his license last week, so more stressed. But um,
I mean there was two years that he was like,
can you take me here? Can you take me there?
I wanted to uping on seven here. I want to
lift in the morning, that where I run in the after.
You I'm like, yeah, if you want to go, I
never had to push him to do it. He just
wants to do it, which I appreciate. You know, as
a parent, you see a kid busting his asked he
wanted and the thing with him, he saw some success,
(34:14):
he saw his body changing. That was it man. He uh,
he was all in. And even now he just you know,
going too high school. He's uh, he's all about it.
Loves football, Um, he loves his teammates. He has great
questions to which I enjoyed talking about football with him
because he's a deefensive guy. I was a defensive guy.
He'll asked me questions about cover two or cover three?
Where does he fit here? Where does he fit there?
(34:35):
And I love it. In my opinion, those are the
right questions to ask, like coverage, like schemes and stuff
like that. And do you encourage him to play other sports?
Oh mm hmm. I wish he would. He played basketball
forever and then he didn't play this year. Um, I
don't know what I wish you would go. You know,
when we played football, basketball, track, football, track, whatever it was, um,
(34:58):
and I wish you would put play basketball and he
made off this year. I'm not sure what he's gonna
run track, but I wanted to do everything I wanted to.
You stay, he's busy, but I wanted to do is
make as many things as you can. But you know,
look Cooper, he has good grades. More importantly, play as
many sports as you want to, but you're better be
good in the classroom, and he is. So that's a
good thing. You know. When you look back on your career,
is there anybody you played against that you kind of said, God,
(35:19):
I wish I wish I was on his team anybody.
That's a tough question, man, because I'm gonna sell some
guys out here, but don't do it. No, No, I
want to do it because you asked the question. You know,
I just want you to know. You look at these quarterbacks,
these guys that their their teams are built around the quarterbacks,
you know, and they they're so freaking good. And anytime
(35:41):
these quarterbacks play, they have a chance to win the game,
but they have a chance to win Super Bowl. And
there's there's a handful of him in the NFL. You
got the Mahomes, the Bradies, the Rogers, the Breeze is
retired now, Russell Wilson, h Josh Allen, There's there's a
there's probably more I'm leaving out, and I'm not trying
to leave anybody out. I just can't think of him
right now. But there's a handful of guys that you
want to be you'd like to play with. Um, you're
(36:04):
but obviously both you broers with those guys for a while.
But just to have being a team with one of
those guys where they you have a chance to win
every game because of them, because they're playing in the
game you you have a chance to be competitive every
single game. I don't think I ever got a chance to.
And this is no disrespect any quarterbacks I played with.
They were great, and we were built on defense. You know,
it might have been our fault because we spend our
money on defense. That's just the way it was. But
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to com maybe you get a chance to play with
a guy like that and not have to have so
much pressure on your defense all time would have been awesome.
Just to have a chance to know that this dude
is gonna give us a chance to win every game
no matter what the situation is. And Brian, now, and
you watch football, uh and you probably just you focus
on linebackers when you're watching. Is there anybody that you
really admire what they're doing on the defensive side. I've
(36:47):
been a Bobby Wagner evan for a long time. The
guy he's I'm the kid in Tampa dout Devin White man.
That kid makes so many plays. Uh, I mean, I'm
the kid the kid in um New Orleans as well.
He gets no respect of Shoot, he came from the
Jets days. He's a bad pass too. Yeah, I'm so
(37:10):
bad afseason don't. We'll have to remember my names right now.
But Damario Davis, Bobby Wagner, Um, Devon White's a bad dude.
It's just vander Eschen and Dallas before he got hurt,
was making some players. There's so many good young linebackers now.
I just I like the way they played the football.
They play the way the game supposed play. They play fast.
They're not out there dancing, and they're out there flying
to the football, making place and just helping our teams win. Brian,
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College Hall of Famer, NFL Hall of Famer Chicago Bear
linebacker Badass Brian or Lacker. Welcome to suit with Coop,
my friend. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. So
you got your looks like chicken noodle and my guessing right.
You know, I follow your lead. If you're having chicken noodle,
I'm having chicken. I'm not gonna go against you. If
you tell me to eat chicken noddle, you tell me
(02:17):
to eat you know, split pea. I don't care what
it is. I'm following the leader. Here's a steaming hot
mind's going for about twenty minutes. It's uh, and I
got the little circles now. You know, they make the
new stuff for the kids out to make some fun.
Looks legit. Mine's kind of not legit, but still taste it.
I'm glad you've never grown up. You still like the old,
you know, whatever it takes when your old. A restaurant
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and getting lobster best, you know, nice stuff, but not
at home. I don't think I can make it as
well as you do with restaurants. Did you eat a
lot of soup when you were playing for the Bears? No?
Why not? Hey? Everything? Man? You know, if I was sick,
obviously I would eat some. You know they always recommend
hot sup. But I mean I was so bad with
my diet when I think I eat everything. You know,
I didn't realize that you need to eat good until
(02:58):
probably you're six or so. I am McDonald's, Wendy's, Taco Bell,
my first five everything, I was horrible, terrible. Did they
not feed you at the at the complex? But they did?
It wasn't like not like it is now. You know,
these kids, these kids, you know, the players now get
you know, six meals a day at the facility and
when I when I played, it was breakfast a lunch,
(03:18):
but um, I didn't like the food there, so I
would have my wife or somebody bring me food at
the facility, McDonald's, whatever. And then I discovered Chipotle in
my sixty year. That was the move. Now that's healthy right,
as healthy as just grilled cheese right here. That I mean,
the whole thing going. Well, it is my show to
(03:40):
make me hungry. When I have a show, I can
do whatever the heck I want. I can, I can,
you know, they just mail it right in. I could
have lobster Thermidor coming in here if I wanted to show.
Uh um, Brian growing up New Mexico is not a
I would say, a typical hotbed of college athletes coming out.
What's the school, what's the athletic scene look like in
(04:03):
New Mexico. Yeah, we're not very well thought of, like you.
It's not a hot bet like you would say. Um,
you know, it's hard to get recruited out of Mexico.
At least when I was coming out and we didn't
have huddle, you know, back then it was just you know,
the coaches saw you. You You were lucky to get recruited.
Now they got huddle, they can send their film out.
But I had one offered and one offer to go
to college. It was the University of New Mexico, So
(04:24):
of course I accepted. Um, I want to go to
Texas Tech. I went to their camp before my senior
year and I was most outstanding camper. I was, you know,
I had a good camp, and they just told me
I could walk on, but they couldn't give me a scholarship.
So obviously it was the easy decision to go to
you and M and I'm glad it worked out pretty
good for me. How big were you coming out of
junior year? Senior year? What kind of I mean? I
(04:44):
know you played every position? Yeah, well we were. We
had like thirty guys on our team, so we had
we probably had seven guys going both ways. And now
it's unheard and I feel like for the kids to
play with offense and defense and you get one or
two guys, but it's unheard of. Um, I was six
FO when I graduated. That's a perfect quarter that's a
perfect quarterback prospect. I should have been a quarterback. I'm
(05:06):
so piste off still because man, I got a gun.
You should see me throw, not anymore because my risk
is all messed up. But back when I could uh
actually be a decent athlete, I had a cannon and
I got jiffed out of quarterback. I probably still be
playing now. Did you have a touch or do you
just throw it far and hard? Anything you wanted. I
could place it, I could put touch on. I could
throw a duck. I can throw it behind on whatever
(05:28):
you want me. I could do it all. Did you
ever did you ever lobby to the coaches in college
and say, hey, go ahead, just give me a little
shotgun action? Not in college. No, I got screwed out
of high school and then I just kind of put
that to rest when I went to college and stuck
with with defense and receiver. But I really think I
could have been a quarterback. But I was thirst string
in eighth grade and then I never got higher than
(05:48):
third string. Sucks I was. They didn't give me a chance. Man,
what could have been you know, what could have been
minor lack or quarterback. We're probably having a whole different
kind of soup if that's the case. I can't even
imagine what would be would be taught. Well, first of all,
i'd still be playing in the NFL if I was
a quarterback, So you mean me and you know, being
TV twelve, we're drafted the same year. Can you believe that?
(06:11):
Did you even heard? Did you know him? Did you heard?
Have you heard of him a little bit? Maybe because
he played in Michigan? Oh no, I didn't. Well I
didn't really know anybody, you know, and no one knew me.
So you know what you want to all these draft
things and you can get to know guys. And I
saw I met Tom at the Pro Bowl our second
year we both made it, and I met him in
the elevator, But um, prior to that, and you know,
I didn't know unless you were a first round guy
(06:31):
or a top guy, I really don't know anybody was
just like you probably don't know me. So you got
you get to New Mexico, no one knows you. You're
just trying to find your place, playing a little bit,
benched a little bit. New coach comes in, likes you
a little bit more, And then what happened? Did did
the light go on? Man? So my first year I
(06:52):
played all special teams as a true freshman. Then my
second year I didn't start at all. Not we had
a senior in front of me was split time out
there team and tackles as linebacker, but then start and
then coach Long came in and his defense. They had
this rover position we called the bobo where you just play.
I played twelve yards deep in the middle and went
to the ball, so you know I was and by
then I was too forty five, So I was and
(07:13):
it was crazy. Thing is couple the more weight I game,
the faster I got. It was good weight. You know,
I had a great frame for it. And um, I
put a lot of must along in my first couple
of years. You know, high school you never get a
chance to train for well when I when did you
play basketball and track and baseball in high school as well?
We didn't specialize. So I went from football to basketball
to tracker baseball, and I was at my whole high
(07:34):
school career. Now the kids just played football or basketball.
They do one thing so they can specialize in train
for that. I never trained for football until I got
to college, so I gained late like crazy. But anyway, um,
when the coach Long right there, they put me at
the rover man, I never got blocked. I ran into
the football. I may I got to play receiver. I
returned punts. Uh this he let maybe a football player,
(07:54):
you know, my first couple of years, I just kind
of I never played backer in the high school and
then they put me there. But I was a saw
off more and I didn't want to do them. But uh,
I figured out how to play that robo bushion pretty well.
I just ran into the football hit people. Were you
always a tough guy? I mean when you in in
high school? Were you the guy getting in fights and
that kind of guy too? Or I just loved loved contact.
(08:15):
So I was a turd in high school. So if
you're standing around the pile, I would hit you. And
I told my son, we watched my my film. Sometimes
I do not do that crap. Don't be a dick
head like I was. Um, show some respect to their players,
but like if the whistle didn't blow, I was gonna
hit you. Um, like you got the line one standing
around the pile. You're not kind of like lineman do players? Now? Yeah,
(08:37):
that was me in high school. If they were standing
around the pile, I come up and hit him. I
mean it wasn't illegal, but it was. It was dirty
and cheap. And then I when I got to college,
that that was that was gone. I was just trying
to clean up my act a little bit and be
a respectful football player. And I just kept going from there.
And so the kind of the legend of Brian Orler
really takes off in your latter years in I mean, well,
I mean, you know who is it's always these days.
(09:00):
It's kind of like when you're from a smaller school.
There's not a lot of film on you or you know,
back then. It's almost like it was four years ago
when you hear these legendary stories of you know, Bo Jackson,
because no one could could be bad dated and you're like,
who is this? What is this mysterious person coming out
of nowhere at and uh and literally you went from
zero to you know, to a hundred overnight two years.
(09:23):
I mean, mal Kaiber mentioned my name and some draft thing,
and then all these scout stars showing up with our practices.
You know, I went. I almost left my junior year.
I'm bad I didn't. I would have been terrible. I
got a chance to play on the coach long for
one more year. It helps I end up go in
the first round, obviously, But I just and I kept
getting like I said, I kept getting faster song every year. Um,
and my senior year I played pretty well. Uh. It
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was a good tackler, man. I was a good open
field tacker back in college, because you know, twelve yards deep,
you just you take good angles. Um. And Mountain West
wasn't I mean, it wasn't a great conference. It was
still some big football players in that conference. Knows our
conference with Steve Smith. You know, the receiver at Carolina
that you returned two punts on us my senior year
at Utah should have had a third call back for
(10:07):
a penalty. But so there's some good players in our
in our conference. Um. So I think that also hurt
me as well because people didn't think we had a
legitimate competition. But whatever Steve Smith was, he'd hit you
after the whistle too, and it was a base He
played to the whistle, the echo of the whistle. Now,
what about did you go to the combine? Tell me
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about that. You come up to the combine, man, So
I went, and I was ready, but I was um
instructed not to run the forty, not to do anything.
Just go do them. You know it is back back
in the day, no one did anything because you didn't
want to want to run still forty. But then I
got I went to the Bears meeting and Greg Blosch goes, like,
(10:48):
you gonna brother forty tomorrow. I said no, so I'm not.
He goes, why not, got something to hide? I got no.
He goes, are you in shape? I go, yes, what's wrong?
What what are you scared of? Like nothing, I'm just
I was instructed about my agent and Neber when we
spoke about not running, and I'm gonna do the bench
press on that. He goes, You're scared, Like, I'm not scared.
I just and then he goes, think about this. He goes,
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at your pro day, you may have twenty scouts and
you may have ten GMS, ten coaches at the combine,
every one of them is here. You won't get a
better opportunity to run in front of all these coaches,
all these tms, all these scouts. I was like, yeah,
So without telling anyone, and I didn't tell my agent
and tell anyone, I ran. I did everything I went.
I ran him four or five, six, five seven, forty,
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did the all the drills well, and I'm glad, I
did you know? Greg? And then embarrassing I'm rafting me obviously,
but coach Blosh challenged me. He was like, what what
do you got to hide? And I was like nothing, Sir.
I was like because of very intimidating going to those
meetings with these coaches. Man, because I'm a young kid
from the Mexico, I didn't really know what to think.
But he uh, I'm glad he challenged me, because I
I rose up and and did everything. When did you
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get the tattoo them, Glenn? I crossed my arms so
you can see that to remind you. I got that
my freshman year in college, Cooper, So I've had it
for twenty five years. My son, my youngest son, hid
where's fifty four? Because of you. He was a linebacker
like his name. Yeah, he since eating his way out
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of linebacker into the oce of line. But he's he
wants the barbar tattoo. I told him he can get
it when he's ninety three. Get him the hannup, get
a hantut tattoo. So it'll last for like a week
and it'll be done. It's perfect. Yeah, it'll be Yeah,
it'll just grow out of it. I'm sure I want
to get rid of this. So bad. I just, uh,
you know, you're eighteen years old, you thought, but I did.
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I'll say this, I have mine before Pamela Anderson got hurt. Okay, yeah,
I got it before she did, so I'm happy about that. Um.
But yeah, I just I thought it'd be cool when
I was a little freshman in college too, two whatever,
ninth pick in the draft. And there's I mean, there's
their positions in the NFL that carry a lot of weight,
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whether you're the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers or
you're uh you know, I mean these days now New
England would happen, but nothing has more of a historical
relevance than linebacker. Chicago Bears. Get I mean, but kiss
Singletary and now you Hall of famers to cross the board?
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Is that overwhelming for a young kid out in New Mexico?
You know, honestly, couple, I had no idea when I
got there. If you start go all the way back
to Bill George Bill George Buckis Singletary unbelievable and not
just middle linebacker, but the history of defense in that city.
And I had no idea when I got there and
they started me out at Sam linebacker, I knew I
was gonna play Mike eventually, but I didn't know I
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was doing that. Put me a Sam to get me
on the field. But unbelievable tradition there, and you figured
out if you don't know before you get there, you're
gonna know a real quick once you get there, because
the media will not let you not know. So it's
very much talked about in the media and stuff like that.
So you learned quick the tradition in the history of
like I said, not just a middle linebacker, but defense there.
But it's great. How many places you know, if you
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play a middle linebacker, that's where you want to play.
You want to be in that city because the fans
love defense. I love linebackers. It's just that's the place
you want to be. Was that was a speed of
the game overwhelming early on, you know, the mental part
of the game. Cooper was tough playing Sam. I've never
been on the line of scrimmage before and it was
hard for me to use my hands and jam tight ends.
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I'm a space player. I was always a space player
in high school, college, and you put me on the
tight end for you know, we're gonn under front. I'm
always on the tight end Jamin him. But it was
the best way to get on the field or they
on until I got benched in training camp. So and
then the second game of the year, Barrymnter gets hurt
at Mike and coach Boss says, go play mine. I
was like, I never played Mike. He goes just running
the football. I'm like, okay. And I started every game
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after that, But it was I picked it up pretty quick.
You know. I feel like I'm a decently smart guy.
So the more I played, the more I saw it,
but the better I got pretty cool. I probably took
me about six or seven games to learn the defense,
and then I took off pretty good from there. And
then you mentioned, you know, a year or two later,
you're at the Pro Bowl hanging with the best players
in NFL. Did you ever I know, you're probably not
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a guy to sit back and reflect too much. You
just kind of take what's coming and attack it. But
did you ever sit back and go this. You know,
a lot has happened here in the last four or
five years here and here I am at the top
of the you know, the top of the game, all
these great players. It's funny cause my rookie, you're actually
made my rookie year as well. I went as an
alternate Stephen Boyd build out from Detroit, so I got
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to go, and of course I went. But I'm married
with um Derrick Brooks, Warrnant Sapp, John Lynch, all these
great players who I you know, Brett, I mean, none
of these guys, your brother. I'm sure your brother was
there too, but all these players that I watched as
a kid in college. You know, I'm a you ever
moved from college and I'm now playing in the Pro
Bowl with the guys. So I used to look up
to my last couple of years in college it was
(15:46):
it's unbro. And then you know, it kind of take
some time to get used to that, your starstrucker practice.
You're in meetings like, wow, look over there, that's Marshall Folk,
There's uh, there's Larry Allen just and I was a
big Cowboys fan growing up, so anytime Cowboys got around
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ACT Council. I remember we met briefly at a Pro
Bowl paid and invited me to go one year. And
then I don't know if you remember this, but I
used to do a lot of business in Chicago and
I was at dinner one night at Joe's. Yeah, and
I was. I had a kind of business dinner. We
were into the cups pretty good. And you had a
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group of eight look like kind of maybe some small
high school buddies, some small college guys, just you know
your age, you all shitting around to the offseason, and uh,
I've had just enough, you know, liquid courage to come
up and say hello, and I were you were sitting
there and I kind of we had a visit. We're
laughing a little bit, and then you know, you had
that that that great head that just fit into a
(19:24):
helmet like it was you were born. And for some reason,
I was obviously just tipsy enough. I just kind of
grabbed your head like middle with these seven guys, and
they all looked at me like you were you have
no idea how close you are to dying right now.
And I woke up at like two or thirty in
the morning having a panic attack, going let an hell
(19:44):
that I just do Brian and I are not that closer.
I can just palm hist there though. You got the pedigree,
so it's okay, Yeah, I'm not. I'm not an angrier
or violent person. I never was away from football. I
was always like, you know, people get away with so
much ship around me. I never really I didn't care,
you know, I just uh, I kind of mote with
the flow all the time. But yeah, my head, man,
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I remember when my neck used to be kind of
big and you know, the perfectly ball shaped head. Yeah,
good old days. Now the hair you look like a
you know, like a CEO now as opposed to you know,
you know, I do like it. So I got the
people from my store of the company that I partnered
with approached me and I want to say and like, hey,
(20:28):
would you maybe br spokesman? And I was like, hell, know,
I love it. I don't like having here. I like
being ball I like being able to worry about anything.
And then they're like, well if you don't, you know,
if you don't like the procedure, you can still shave
your head and they'll there'll be no scars. I was like,
that's easy enough if you don't take a risk. And
then so I did it. I went through the process
and my hair started growing out. You know, because if
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you've been you've been balled for twenty years and you
get here, you're like, I don't like it. And then
I was gonna drive to a Chick fil A. I
went through the drive to a Chick fil A and uh,
this little there's like a play fifteen sixty year old
girl at the drive through and she was like, oh,
you look really young. I was like, I'm keeping it.
That was and my kids and my wife didn't minded
too much at first. It was it was a change,
(21:10):
you know because as aaron so long. But my wife
liked it right away, so it was like, I'm keeping it.
I'm doing it. And then now you know, it's my
billboards are all over Chicago. It's crazy, it's nuts, it's fantastic.
Um when you were playing Brian did you look at
your another player as an opponent, was at the quarterback?
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Was it a guard? Was it something who did you
look forward to playing with? And then also not look
forward to play because they were you know, in your
in your grill. You know, the linemen were always up
paying the ass. They're all so big and they cheat,
they hold you, they cut you or threw under in
thirty pounds. Why are you cutting me? I'm I'm touring
fifty pounds. She's just grabbing and throwing me on the ground. Anyway,
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the quarterbacks man, you know later in my career, Uh,
Aaron drew your brother, Both brothers, they knew what you were, Tom.
They all know what you're doing before the ball snap.
It was so hard to trick them, you know, because
you know they do a little stupid leg heights and
there's twenty seconds left on the play clocks. So you're like, oh,
we gotta we gotta shift to guard and then like
and then start changing the defense. Their their offensive call. Luckily,
(22:15):
you know, must lovely got there. We could we start.
We got to where we could change our defense as well,
because you know, if you're uncovered to they're probably check
into a run. If you're an eight man front, the
probably check to a pass. So we we figured that
out a little bit, you know, the more we played
our defense, so when they did check, if we had time,
we would we would also check and put ourselves in
our situation. Um did the thing what they're doing. If
we ended up and covered to every play, we're in
(22:37):
good shape, you know, if we had a blitz on
and they call us out of it or whatever. But
the quarterbacks are so good, they're so smart. You know,
they always undress your defense to see exactly what you're
doing every play. Yeah, it seems like that's all anything
pre snap is just to try to get a tip
on what you're at least what you're not in and
then before they can limit some things. And that's all
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the motion, all the you know, emotions used to drive
me crazy, Cooper, right, I used to because you know,
early on in my career when they motioned, everything changed,
you know, your strength, change, your your coverage, you went
to two two to just everything changed. Later in my career,
it was easy because we our defense is so simple,
but it still drove me crazy because I know we
have to reset the front and then what they do
is they get You get your guys up front thinking
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like what do we All they want to do is
make you think about half a second. Then they beat you.
You know, football happens so fast that they get you
think about something you're not supposed to be doing. They win.
We all had some really good defenses. At times you
don't even have to mask meything and just say here
we are, we're gonna whip your ass. We did. We didn't.
We ran cover two probably I'm not six on the
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time when we were when we we had guys that
can rush the pastor we we didn't need to do
anything else. Obviously a situation changed, we run something else.
But we were covered to defense and we did it well.
We ran to a football, our corners tackled, They forced
the football back in, so it's like in my man
box with those two corners out there, forced everything back
inside so we could do it versus the runners. Well,
when you think about those teams, I always like to
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talk to about great teammates, you know, that's such a
it's such a lost term, you know, like he's a
great player whatever. But the guys who just you absolutely
can just look, you know, look at him in the
locker room before and going, he's got my back, I
got his back, and he he makes this team better
and if he left could be chilled. Bro I'm getting
chills right now talking about about that. Who are some
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of the teammates that that pop in your mind and
you just let lance not even close lance, you know
when you talk about the eye contact in a game.
We I could he could run through a gap, but
we we would know just where the other guys gonna fit. Man,
we played side by side for ten years. We knew
each other. Were thinking. He would stress me out sometimes
because priest nap like, he's got the A gap and
he's out here. I'm like, what's he doing out there?
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He's got the A gap, He'll play the gap from
the D gap. I was ending up in the right spot,
you know. Just we just had this rapport between each
other and past Coward, especially because our cover too, we
we change it up quite a bit to fit the
offenses we were playing. Charles Stillman another guy you could count. Uh,
you know, I played ten years of both of those guys,
Chris Harris, Mike Brown. A lot of guys don't remember
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Mike Brown. Mike Brown was a great football player. You
know those three years and are already got hurt. He
you know those two thousand and one he returned and
overtime pick six is to end games and overtime against
San France, then the next week against Cleveland. So's just
so I could go on there. My teammates were unbelievable.
You know, there's a reason we were good on deefense.
We were good at every level. And do you hate
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Minnesota and Detroit in Green Bay? I don't hate him.
I don't like him. You know, we play him twice,
their teams in your division, and you just get tired
of him. You know, um and their fans don't like us.
We don't like them. But I don't hate the strong
word Cooper. I just I don't like him as much
as I like their teams. How's that soup tasting right now?
As they getting? Sorry? Yeah, you got me, Joe. You know,
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chicken noodle has a medicinal flavor to it and nostalgia historical.
You know, I don't know if it's an old wives tale,
but if you're under the weather in any way, shape
or form, that's it. You took a noodle soup. That's
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when I was a kid, and then now it's still
you know, if my kids ever worked, soup fixes everything, right,
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It fixes everything. Fixes a good interview. I know that,
especially yeah, someone like me. Um, now you're your golf game.
Were you always a golfer? Your golf game is kind
of uh been put into overdrive lately. I love golf. Um.
I didn't play until I got to the NFL. It
couldn't afford it. So you know, once I got a
little money, I can afford to buy some nice clubs. Uh.
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But I love it. You know you play right, I do.
It's still fun. You're competitive, you know you you the
handicaps should level everything out. If you got a guy
with handicap, it should even them out. But I just
love it's a great gambling on the golf course. I
love it's fun. You're a little side game going, but
you're never gonna be as good as you want to
be a golf It's the hardest game you'll ever play.
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Even guys on tour, you know, they're never as good.
You can't do a samething every day. That's what I
love about. A different challenge every day. You know when
you're talking about in Chicago, obviously tons of great golf courses. Yeah,
and you mentioned gambling and golf in Chicago. Uh, Michael
Jordan would pop up. Have you ever had the play
off Michael? A few times? I played with Michael my
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second year. The first team. We get up there and
I hit my ball and I'm I cut the ball
or back then it was a slice, but I cut
it now. Um, the first team, I hit the ball
seventy yards straight left, Like I don't hit the ball
that thing. He goes, I'm gonna get everyone does that
with me on the first team, says I'm gonna give me.
I'm gonna give you another one. But that was a
nervous ball because you're playing with me. I was like, oh, Chie,
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thanks man. Yeah, but I played. I actually saw Michael
at his He's went to the growth. I haven't been.
I haven't been yet. I hear it's great Payton's ben.
I saw shot Man. That's great. Yeah, fun course, great
hangout plays. So I saw him last year in January
down there. But uh, he's good. He's Michael play takes
it seriously as well. He Uh he placed thirty six
a day. It's crazy. I can't. I'm not not that
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much into it, but I like it. What what are
the stakes when you play with Michael Jordan's like a
hundred bucks? But when I was younger, you know, it
was like a hundred bucks or nine whatever you lose
three five bucks. So now I haven't played with him
for money in along time. We bold when year for
for a hundred bucks a pin like two thousand five
or six people were bowling for a hundred dollars a
pin difference UM in Chicago there, But I haven't played
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golf versus for money and a while I was in
a group for US last time and played. I've been
nervous over a over a tin footer before. I've never
been nervous over a bowling ball. I was. I did
pretty well that day. I was bold like one nineties something,
So I was doing good. That's funny. Yeah, you know
you watch his his the documentary this, you know during
(28:46):
the last dance, that competitive streak of his. I love
we We talked to Mark Schlaire to the day we
played with Elway, and always he's about Elway and how
competitive is and just how he hates to lose and
it's got you know, it's not like okay, got you know,
good game, it's just like it. It can almost ruin
the time. He hates so bad. That's the Michael w
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I mean, just you watch those shows and you're like,
people think he's a dick, but no, he's trying to
motivate his teammates. He wants to win more than anybody else.
No matter what you're doing, he wants to beat you
at it. Um. We used to play in a softball
game every summer in Chicago. I get nine guys and
ten guys that you get ten guys and we played
best of three. Uh. These little parks are now Chicago
and they're competitive. Man. We didn't want to lose, but
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it just shows you how guys got to be to
get to that level. I guess Brian, when you were
when you how did you find out you were um
inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame. Um, So we're
you know, you're sitting in your room there and uh
we were in Minnesota that you're at the Super Bowls there.
So you fly there that Saturday before and then you
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know they come and knock on your door. They give
you a phone if you get the phone rings, it's
not good. You didn't make it that you're well, it's
not bad. And I'm saying you're just not that year
and you won't be inducted, you know. Um. So we're
sitting on I got my wife, my three kids, my agents,
I guess, but they're not they're left. They're my best friends,
they're not really my ages. Uh Bryce and uh build
(30:15):
we're in there. He has somebody else in there too.
I'm so bad for remember anyway, but my kids and
my wife are there, which is the most important thing. Um.
And you know you're sitting there for three hours waiting
to know what's gonna happen because the guys are in
their voting, they're doing this and that, and then you
know your every time the phone rings, you're like, oh, man,
but it's the room phone. What doesn't matter about yourselfone.
(30:37):
So then David Begger comes and knocks on your door.
David six eight three nineties, huge man, um. And he
comes to knocks on your door and you're like, I
was like, oh, the relief of just getting that knock
is is because you know, you get to build up,
you get the releases, you get top twenty five, top
fifteen this and that doesn't mean anything until you get there.
So to get that knocking kind of the relief I
(30:59):
guess of knowing that you made it. It was pretty
darntcol that's amazing. I had heard, you know, that's pretty
I would be. I'd be pretty tough if you're you know,
a finalist and you're there and you're in the hotel
room and then you know, obviously you get the phone
call as you may not get it, and then you
go back next year. I heard Marvin Harrison who went
the first year and got the phone call, and he said,
(31:21):
I'll come next year, but after that, I'm never going
back here. That's it. I can't wait around here and
get you know, objected. I think I would have been
a one and done guy to a Cooper. I think
if if I had got the phone call out and like,
I can't put myself through some myself and my family
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do you have a son now who's um gonna be
a sophomore playing sports? What do you what you know
football is not for everybody? What do you what do
you love about football? And what do you want him
to kind of appreciate that you that you loved about
(33:30):
it so much. I just love Remember one of my teammates,
I think there's the greatest thing to be around guys
that you may not normally be around, but you're on
the team, so you're around you. You spend time with
each other, you learn to deal and play with each other.
But hard, hard work man, dude, Like I don't have
to tell him to go work out. I don't have
to tell him to go do this, and that he's
asking me, can you take me here? Can you take now?
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You got his license last week, so more stressed. But um,
I mean there was two years that he was like,
can you take me here? Can you take me there?
I wanted to uping on seven here. I want to
lift in the morning, that where I run in the after.
You I'm like, yeah, if you want to go, I
never had to push him to do it. He just
wants to do it, which I appreciate. You know, as
a parent, you see a kid busting his asked he
wanted and the thing with him, he saw some success,
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he saw his body changing. That was it man. He uh,
he was all in. And even now he just you know,
going too high school. He's uh, he's all about it.
Loves football, Um, he loves his teammates. He has great
questions to which I enjoyed talking about football with him
because he's a deefensive guy. I was a defensive guy.
He'll asked me questions about cover two or cover three?
Where does he fit here? Where does he fit there?
(34:35):
And I love it. In my opinion, those are the
right questions to ask, like coverage, like schemes and stuff
like that. And do you encourage him to play other sports?
Oh mm hmm. I wish he would. He played basketball
forever and then he didn't play this year. Um, I
don't know what I wish you would go. You know,
when we played football, basketball, track, football, track, whatever it was, um,
(34:58):
and I wish you would put play basketball and he
made off this year. I'm not sure what he's gonna
run track, but I wanted to do everything I wanted to.
You stay, he's busy, but I wanted to do is
make as many things as you can. But you know,
look Cooper, he has good grades. More importantly, play as
many sports as you want to, but you're better be
good in the classroom, and he is. So that's a
good thing. You know. When you look back on your career,
is there anybody you played against that you kind of said, God,
(35:19):
I wish I wish I was on his team anybody.
That's a tough question, man, because I'm gonna sell some
guys out here, but don't do it. No, No, I
want to do it because you asked the question. You know,
I just want you to know. You look at these quarterbacks,
these guys that their their teams are built around the quarterbacks,
you know, and they they're so freaking good. And anytime
(35:41):
these quarterbacks play, they have a chance to win the game,
but they have a chance to win Super Bowl. And
there's there's a handful of him in the NFL. You
got the Mahomes, the Bradies, the Rogers, the Breeze is
retired now, Russell Wilson, h Josh Allen, There's there's a
there's probably more I'm leaving out, and I'm not trying
to leave anybody out. I just can't think of him
right now. But there's a handful of guys that you
want to be you'd like to play with. Um, you're
(36:04):
but obviously both you broers with those guys for a while.
But just to have being a team with one of
those guys where they you have a chance to win
every game because of them, because they're playing in the
game you you have a chance to be competitive every
single game. I don't think I ever got a chance to.
And this is no disrespect any quarterbacks I played with.
They were great, and we were built on defense. You know,
it might have been our fault because we spend our
money on defense. That's just the way it was. But
(36:26):
to com maybe you get a chance to play with
a guy like that and not have to have so
much pressure on your defense all time would have been awesome.
Just to have a chance to know that this dude
is gonna give us a chance to win every game
no matter what the situation is. And Brian, now, and
you watch football, uh and you probably just you focus
on linebackers when you're watching. Is there anybody that you
really admire what they're doing on the defensive side. I've
(36:47):
been a Bobby Wagner evan for a long time. The
guy he's I'm the kid in Tampa dout Devin White man.
That kid makes so many plays. Uh, I mean, I'm
the kid the kid in um New Orleans as well.
He gets no respect of Shoot, he came from the
Jets days. He's a bad pass too. Yeah, I'm so
(37:10):
bad afseason don't. We'll have to remember my names right now.
But Damario Davis, Bobby Wagner, Um, Devon White's a bad dude.
It's just vander Eschen and Dallas before he got hurt,
was making some players. There's so many good young linebackers now.
I just I like the way they played the football.
They play the way the game supposed play. They play fast.
They're not out there dancing, and they're out there flying
to the football, making place and just helping our teams win. Brian,
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I can't thank you enough for joining us. As always,
we like to rank our soup from one to a thousand,
and vowed. Yeah, well you know we got we got
some big gap that time. People are watching today, so
many people ones of people, won't my our souper chat
or my soup as in the super bate the soup,
(37:53):
the soup you're eating right there. One to a thousand,
just you know, rank it thousand being the best. Yeah,
it's called I might have went too early. Five fifties
exactly how many dollars they paid us to be on
this show together. We'll split it. We'll split it. We'll
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bet on the golf course next time we see each other.
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