April 29, 2025 • 55 mins
The NFL Draft is done and dusted, and Action Network hosts Chad Millman and Simon Hunter return to recap all the activity in a special two-part episode. Today, the guys go through the biggest storylines, and then touch on every team across the NFC. Nobody wants Shedeur Sanders. The Dallas Cowboys start at the offensive line. The San Francisco 49ers select another 7th round quarterback. Bets were won, bets were lost, and Chad and Simon are excited to dive into it all. #Volume
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to the Favorites of the Podcast presented by BET
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I am Chad Moment of the Action Network. Today. I'm
joined as always by my co host, my companion, my compadre,
my BFF professional better Signmon Hunter l O Simon.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hello, Chad. What a sports weekend, brother.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I mean, look, the Draft was amazing and we're going
to talk about that, no shortage of drama, and you
and I we are going to go through the entirety
of the league. We're going to talk about the NFC today.
Tomorrow we're going to touch on the AFC a very
special episode. It's going to come out a day earlier
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than usual. Thursday, we'll do an episode, our third episode
of the week, about the Kentucky Derby, with our annual
guest Mike Conti. But dude, I don't know about you. Like,
for some reason, I ended up kind of having no
plans this weekend, and so I watched a ton of
the Draft, and then I watched so much NBA and
(01:15):
these games were insane. The Clippers and the Nuggets was insane.
The Pistons and the Knicks was insane. The Lakers and
the Tea Wolves was insane, but also somehow I found
myself watching the Cubs and the Phillies on Saturday, and
the Cubs and the Phillies last night. It was like
a full on sportacular.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, it's especially someone like me who was kind of
a phony NBA fan, where I just because my team
sucked the Sixers. I barely watch any but I mainly
watched college basketball. But as soon as the playoffs hit,
I feel like we all just dive back in because
that's when everyone's trying. The games are really competitive and
it just means so much more and you really can tell,
like the level of plays, so just such a huge
step up. So yeah, for me, it's really fun. But
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I know is like someone that tries to bet it.
It is crazy jumping into it trying to especially you
know the actually newhere. We have a ton of basketball content.
We've been trying to bet these overtime bets. I love it.
It's like fifteen to one, sometimes twenty to one. That
to me has been really fun sweating these games. Like
I don't pick a side, I'm just betting overtime and
hoping to hit one in every series. So yeah, it's
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been really fun.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
The athleticism of these guys is ridiculous, and like even
the third fourth level guys. The ability their hands are
so good in this interior passing and the way these
guys can see and they move the ball like it's
just remarkable, like you cannot help but love watching it.
And the level of competitiveness is so intense, like like
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that Piston's next game yesterday or watching it on Sunday,
actually so glorious. I really wanted the Knicks to lose,
like I love this's team. It's so much fun. I
kind of wanted the Lakers to beat the Tea Wolves,
but Anthony Edwards is just glorious to wash like we are.
We are in it right now. Steph Curry the other night,
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oh my god, like his step backs, the way he
can put on the brakes. He willed that team to victory.
It is. If you're not watching the NBA plass right now,
you got to get into it. But we are going
to get into the NFL drafts because here's how crazy
and fun the NFL Draft is. Thursday night, we were
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watching the Pistons Knicks in my house and even my son,
who's a massive NBA fan wanted to turn on the
first round of the NFL drafts, and I think a
lot of it was because of Shador Sanders, which we're
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restrictions apply, all right, I mean, look, there were there
were players that dropped, right Will Johnson injury, Mike Green,
the linebacker from Marshall, there were some questionable character issues,
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so he fell to the Ravens. But there's only one
story here, shardor Sanders shadrourw Sanders dropping. We talked about
this last week with Raybon and Evan. How did this
impact your bets seeing how he dropped?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I mean I lost money on it. I thought, uh,
the over, I like the over two and a half
quarterbacks first round, and you know, it just goes to
show that I think you kind of got to tell
on what people you can kind of trust and follow
in the sports media that give out these mocks. I
just don't understand how these people it's their jobs and
you had people saying he was their top five guy,
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their number one quarterback on their draft board, Let's do
one in the fifth round. So there's clearly a disconnect there.
Like I I can't wrap my head around that part
because it's like I get a lot of it. A
lot of these people are phonies and they don't really
talk to anybody, but like, how could you, how could
you have been so off? And you know, typical fashion,
the stories come out after right chat, It's like, you know,
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Apparently he wore headphones to meetings at the combine when
he's meeting with teams with music playing on his headphones
and then puts it around his neck while the music
keeps playing while doing the interviews with these teams. I
can't wrap my head around that's real. If that's real,
that's it. Truly is insane that he was self sabotaging
because there's teams he didn't want to go to where. Yeah,
(06:06):
the NFL, it's a business, it is a sports league,
but if you take them to court, they say entertainment first.
I don't know the collusion. I know Chad knows, doesn't
know about the collusion, but something went on. Like this kid,
anyone could tell you he's got second round talent at worst,
right his arm talent. Things you can do in the field, Okay, personality,
bump them down to a third round chat, I'll give
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them that. But for this kid to drop to the
fifth round, you know, he must have just burned a
ton of bridges and the league humbled them. And you know,
I love the historical data, dove it right in. I
asked myself, who is a great fifth round quarterback? Chat?
I don't know if you could think on one for
a second. I got an answer for you. It's zero.
It's never happened in the NFL. So I'm excited for
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him to prove these teams wrong and write his own
story or he's going to fall apart, be a wash
out of a league of three four years and these GMS,
these teams were right. So really interesting storyline to file
for the next three four years out of what Sanders
is going to become.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Well, look the meltdown, the meltdown for lack of a
better term, of Kuiper and watching him kind of get
angrier and angrier as the days went on, of how
Shador Sanders was dropping when he had him as QB
one from the beginning and never wavered. And he actually
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talked about this because I like, it was riveting to me,
and I think by I don't know what it was
Saturday afternoon, I was watching the draft at this point
only to see where Shudor Sanders was going to go.
And it's kind of like when everybody was watching the
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second round of the NBA draft last year to see
what happened to Bronni. When Shador Sanders finally got drafted
in the fifth round went on air and said, these
are the number of quarterbacks from the fifth round who
have ever made the Pro Bowl. Something to that extent.
The number was zero. It was like in the third
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round you had like sixteen, and the.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Fourth round of comally it's freak.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Seventeen even in the sixth round because of Brady, but like,
you know, zero in the fifth round, and you really
got to look at this. The NFL, for all of
its failings, and we've talked a lot about the inability
to accurately scout quarterbacks. It is rare. The reason why
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everyone talks about it when a Puka Nakua comes out
of nowhere, when a Tom Brady comes out of nowhere.
Because those are the exceptions. Shdor Sanders is going to
have to defy tremendous odds to get on that field
and be effective and be the player that everyone thought
he would be in all of their mock drafts. Kudos
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to Evan and Raybond who, throughout their draft podcasts they
were saying this guy is not a first round talent.
They weren't saying he was a fifth round talent. But like,
this is not a guarantee that just because he's going
to a team that might be the right fit for him,
that he's going to get a chance to be the
guy everyone thought he could have been when they were
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mocking him to go in the first round.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, like I told you months ago, I had Scott
tell me this guy was the second round talent. They
didn't tell me he was off their draft board. Like
that was the thing that was the most shocking. It's
like the day after everyone's like, no, the half these
teams did have this guy is a top you know,
four round picks. Some had them off his their draft board.
It's like who had them off his draft board? Like
he had to have self sabotage? Yet I just none
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of it. Nothing else makes sense where it's like, you know,
I try to look go through and think of that,
who are the cockiest personalities come out of the last
ten years, Like that's what I was trying to think of.
Who would go in there and be such an asshole
that they were just like I don't care the talent level.
I'm downgrading this kid. I'm not nobody exactly the thing
that's exactly like the only ones I could pop my head.
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I'm like, even if Joe Burrows cocky as shit. He
wasn't an asshole, He wasn't ignorant about it. He wasn't
going to these meetings being like I'm hot, shit, I
don'm not. I'm not even taking an interview with the Bengals.
I'm too good to go to Cincinnati. You didn't hear
any of that with Joe, even though you know he
could come off his arrogant to a lot of people.
You know, it's it's a fine line, and you know
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he had the talent obviously to back it up, where
these teams are saying to say ers, you do not
have the talent to back up your personality. So yeah,
it's it's gonna be a hot topic chat for the
next couple of years just because everyone obviously had an
opinion on it when it was happening. I'm sure you're
the same way where part of you feels bad, but
there's another part of you of he had to have
brought the sun himself, like there's no other exp Like,
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these guys are trying to win. This is a business.
So for all of them together to take a stand
and say this kid's a fifth round pick, it was shocking.
Like we just said, we all at worst I'll use
the second round pick. He was three rounds later, Chad.
So yeah, definitely the craziest storyline of the weekend.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Well, look, what's interesting about the NFL, and what's interesting
about NFL owners is the tolerance for criminal misbehavior, violent
misbehavior versus their tolerance for attitude misbehavior, potential distractions in
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the locker room, Shegar Sanders, cocky, arrogant, you know, distraction,
Colin Kaepernick, distraction. But how many players get drafted, how
many players get second chances, how many players are atop
anybody's draft board after egregious criminal mistakes, right, And so
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you can see what the line is for NFL owners.
They don't want anyone who is going to make noise
and challenge them from a personality perspective, But they don't
mind people who are going to challenge what are considered
to be the appropriate ethics and beliefs that they should have.
(12:24):
It's a very interesting study. There's no denying it. Like
where owners fall on the line of challenging personality versus
challenging criminal behavior.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
There is, But it's because of the money. Brother. It's like,
like I love Tim Tebow, you can't have Tim Tebow,
But be your third stringer. That's why Tim Tubo was
at the league. Who wants to hear about your third
shrink quarterback all the time? So I get what you're
talking about. But at the end of the day, you
know a lot of these guys do have personalities. They
just the money so insane. They know, right, don't say shit,
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just play the play the game. So you know, the
only guy that really can say shit is Aaron Rodgers
because he's on his way out, he can be a
little crazy talk about doing drugs and all this other stuff.
In the off season. You ain't never gonna hear any
of these young guys talking about that stuff, Chad. So yeah,
I just I can't get over how how that happened.
Like you said, the whole meltdown on TV with Mel,
(13:20):
it was theater. It's it's what we love is humans.
It's just it's crazy to watch.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
It was such good theater. Yeah it was. It was glorious.
And you know what good from Mel, like good for
Mel that he stuck to his guns and he's done
this in the past. Look, there's that infamous scene with
Bill Pollion when.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
They they're gonna say Jimmy Clawson that's even that's more recent.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Well yeah, obviously, but but no, I remember Jimmy Clawson
and he's saying this guy should make eight Pro Bowls
and whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
But he said, you quit, You said he would, right, tire.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That's right. But what's interesting is like mel is an
affable guy. We love melt We've had him on the
show and I think he's fantastic and what he's done
with the dress is amazing. But I love that he
will be stubborn on certain things and this is a
relationship business and he does not back down from it,
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and he cannot be challenged by anybody for his opinions
because he's been right so often and he created what
has now become this massive, massive industry of covering the
draft and being mesmerized by the draft. And I love
the fact that he has been pounding the table on
Shudur Sanders. I don't care about Shouldrew Sanders' success or failure.
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I am interested to see if Shudrew Sanders can make
Mel Kuiper look good, because that, to me, is going
to be a storyline that is going to be relevant
until it's decided. And the way these things go, look,
Geno Smith, his career becomes career until he was ten
years in. So in ten years mel Kuiper might long
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be retired and he can finally be proven right about Shuldress.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Sanders Well, I said, say, and he's ceiling with Gino Smith.
So you know, I don't know how much that's winning
mel Kiper. The at the end of it, if it
is a Geno Smith type, it's like, all right, way
to go.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Well, it's funny because he does have that list of
players drafted who were who slid down the board, who
he had as much higher ranked players. Geno's on there,
Jimmy Clawson is on there. I think there were eight
guys on there, and six of them have gone on
to really productive careers. Two of them Jimmy Clawson and
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somebody else did not. And he's got one more guy
on there, Will Levis, who you know, it remains to
be seen, but it's not looking good. That wasn't on
the list. And to me, like, I don't know, Geno's
done okay, like he's had a good few years. I
think that our are sort of seen in a better
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light because of where he came from. And so you know,
we're going to talk about the Raiders for the show tomorrow,
and I think that they'll be in a good position.
But no one's looking at the Raiders. It's like a threat.
And so if Shadr Sander's going to be a guy
who is good enough to make a team win some games,
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but never a threat, We're gonna find out. But it's
gonna be a great story and it's why this league
is so much fun.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Give them hard knocks, Oh.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
God, that would be amazing. There's you know, there's all
those goofy rules about hard knocks, but who knows if
they're eligible for hard knocks. But if the NFL knows
what it's doing, which it definitely does as an entertainment entity,
they will figure out how to fix those rules. So
Cleveland is one hundred percent in hard knocks again. All right,
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I want to get to team by teams here, NFC
East start with the Giants. You know, they had Abdul Carter,
great pick, everyone's you know, saying it's a no brainer,
number three overall edge rusher from Penn State. Then this
is where it gets exciting, right. They they trade back
into the first round and they go to get Jackson Dart,
a guy who was clearly gonna sit this year behind
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Russell Wilson and James Winston. So did Brian Dayball and
Joe Shane just draft a guy they'll never get to develop.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I don't know. Brian might stick around. It is a
question about the GM, especially the whole story about his
kid was putting up Jackson.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
It wasn't true, though, That wasn't true. Oh really, Oh
you didn't see Oh no it was. This is crazy.
This is another thing like Jeff Ulbrick, the former interim
coach for the Jets, now the defensive coordinator for the
Atlanta Falcons, left his iPad accessible for his kid. His
kid got the number and pulled the prank and then
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admitted it over the weekend and called the Sanders family
to apologize. And let me just say this, I thought
that was a bullshit, low class, dickhead, amateur hour cruel move.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
You don't like prank calls.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I love prank calls. I do like I used to
listen to The Jerky Boys and CD on the way
home from driving to from Chicago to Bloomington and back
and Bloomington back to Chicago. Loved it. Huge Jerky Boys
fan obviously love when Stern does his prank calls, all
that kind of stuff. But I think there's a difference
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here between dor Sanders, who was clearly as arrogant as
he is, was actually trying to handle the whole draft
situation with dignity and being open about it and standing
in front of the camera and making statements and communicating
with fans. He could have gone into a hole, and
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you know, while he's living his life out loud when
he's successful, decided I'm not I need my privacy when
I don't. He didn't do that, and instead these Edia
kids act like fucking dickheads and try to be funny
and take a challenging moment for Shudor Sanders and make
it worse. I just thought it was bullshit. I didn't
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even watch it.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
My kid asked me last night at dinner if I
had watched it, because he had told me about the apology.
I'm like, I didn't even watch it, Like, I just
it made me uncomfortable. It felt like it was voyeuristic
and they were dicks. That's how I felt.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
As always, humor is subjective. I am a fan of
all prank calls. I an't gonna be on my deathbed
call me up, prank call me anything. I don't care.
I'm just I'm still glad that the youth's still doing
it because it's I thought it was a dying art, right.
I mean in my youth, Chad, the amount of time
we just spent a Friday night when I was in
eighth grade or seventh grade. It's different. These kids are
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twenty one. Chad's write their psychopaths. But the fuck up
was they videotaped themselves. Don't. Yeah, that's the issue with
the youth today is they don't. They're too stupid in
that part. But yeah, prank calls. I'm about it. So yeah,
that's what differ.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Listen, I love prank calls.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I know your father, you're thinking of it from like
your this is your kid from I don't. I don't
give a fuck fuck them kids. I don't have kids.
So I am the other way where it's like I
loved it.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Uh, And I can't believe I have to be out
every year there's prank calls defending Shador Sanders. I don't like.
I don't care about his success in the NFL. I
just thought it was a loser move.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
That's all I'll give back the Giants, Giants to.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Let me get you. Let me let me say this
about the Giants, the Giants, because I do want to
make sure people have their odds to win the NFC
East right now plus twenty eight hundred, twenty eight to one.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, And I love their draft, Like I always want
to shit on the Giants just because it's been easy
these last couple of years. But for this division, they
had my favorite draft, and it's it's just a draft
of hope and they have not had that in New
York in a long time. And because no one really
like a lot of guys, I know, especially in the
area I live in, a lot of Giants fans, none
of them really believed in Daniel Jones like they had
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high hopes his rookie year. I remember his first game
against Tampa. It was insane how good he was and
end up being probably one of his best games of
his career, which was his first start ever against Tampa.
And he never really gave him hope, where you know,
Dart easily could be a bust. You know, this kid
has a lot of upside, but he has a lot
of game to him where you're just like, this is
not going to translate to the NFL. I mean the
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kids in a division with Dak Prescott, a guy who
I know people left it dead. He was second in
MVP voting just two years ago. He's got a Super
Bowl MVP inis division, Jalen Hurts, and then he's got
arguably the best rookie we've ever seen in Jade Daniels.
It's really tough right now for Giants fans, So to me,
this was a win for them. You have a lot
of pieces here that I really like. Carter my number
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one player unlike graded for this draft. They got him
as an edge rusher. I hate that, Like he's gonna
be so tough to face in this division. So yeah,
great draft by New York. Would not touch their odds
for them winning this division. I think you're on the
same boat.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Well, so let's go to another wildcard there, which is
the Cowboys who meeted a wide receiver, didn't get one
in the first round, needed a running back, didn't get
one in the first round. They needed some offensive line help.
They reached for a guard at number twelve, the kid
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from Alabama. And you know, clearly Jerry is trying to
recapture that magic of drafting Zach Martin. But the Cowboys,
who are what is that three to one? Basically? I
think I'm seeing yeah, seven to one, you're seeing seven
to one.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, seven to one for the division, I said something different.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Oh, yeah, you're right, seven to one. Uh. They're in
an interesting spot because Dak will be back, but they
still don't have a running back.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
We'll see. I love Blue, a kid they drafted at Texas.
You know, it's gonna be interesting what type of back
he is. He's gonna be CJ two K, this incredible
fast scatback, or is he just gonna be a random
third down guy they bring in because he's too small.
He just doesn't know how to block too like well,
like that that could be him. But yeah, like you said,
they they could have taken one higher up. They waited
to what pick nine something like that to take this kid. Yeah,
(23:37):
I'm with you on that. I I liked how they
started though. I liked that they went offensive guard. They're
attacking the offensive line, which they need to do now.
Like you said, they've lost all these Hall of Famers
across this last two years. It's it's a position of need.
So I know it sucks, right, people are hoping they're
gonna take a receiver there, which they just didn't grade out.
The receiver is high enough to take them there, and
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that's that's how it is. When you're looking, you're a
big board in. You know, they went after the edge
in the next round, so that's good. But yeah, what's
is the team we're going to dive into a lot
this summer. I just love the value on this Cowboys team.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
You know, Yeah, you've bet the Cowboys on this spot.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
So yeah, so yeah, they're they're they're right now for me,
the to me, the best value in this division. They
were eight to one Mechad had a live show what
was that like a month ago? Now they're down to
seven to one and most books are six to one
at some book. So it's just a team that pros
are going to bet. In the public, they'll just stay
away because they had a year from hell last year.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I think that's the only thing you said at the
live show in the entire show was bet the Cowboys
to win the NFC East that how did you feel
about the Eagles? Let's talk about the Eagles. Yeah, everyone
loves what how we did? Everyone thinks hiw he's a genius,
like getting another player that he feels like they need
(24:52):
at linebacker. Did you have thoughts?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, Eagles minus one sixty right now, bet thrus is
five to win this division and coming in this draft,
I honestly it's I think most Eagles fans at this
point of we think we have the greatest football team ever.
There are no weaknesses. What could we do to make
this team better? So going in, I was just hoping
to go tight end or some type of d end.
And yeah, Jahad Campbell the kid they took in the
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first round, stud linebacker from Alabama. Typical dumb fan, I am.
I know very little about this kid. What the hell
do I am? I watching tape on Alabama's linebackers. No,
so I've dove in on him, love him. Find out
he's from timber Creek, like literally twenty minutes away from
me here in South Jersey. So he's a local kid.
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Stud doesn't need necessary play linebacker, can be an edge player.
So you know how he does it? Once again, how
does this guy fall right into his lap? Trades up,
which I want to bet, which I did not deserve
to win. I'd made a bet that Eagles would trade
up because I had info that how he was going
to try to move up, and apparently he was getting
rejected for an hour by every team trying to trade up,
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and he saved my ass trade up one spot for
me to win that bet fifth round pick, and yeah,
you know it's it's a team that how he clearly
loves our offense. He took I think it was five
straight defensive players in this draft, so there's certain things
I like about teams doing that, and like, I think
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our offense has zero weaknesses attack the defense, and that's
exactly what he did. So once again, how most people
are giving him the classic A A plus, I'll give
him a bat plus.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
He did say something interesting about Dallas Goddard. He's part
of the team for now. What is that about?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I think he stays. I think they were going to
try to move him, but the tight ends they wanted
got taken, and they basically because this was a really
good tight end class and it just didn't work out
with the board. And he's got a one year deal.
How he doesn't really like playing playing guys on the
team on a one year deal, So that's why I
wouldn't be shocked if they don't move him, I would
not like to me. I know he does get injured
(26:58):
when he's out there, tests so much trust to him,
especially on third downs, which is like we talk all
the time. If you have the right guy on third downs,
it changes the whole dynamic of your team. So I
hope they keep them Chad because they didn't address the position,
but still would not be shocked ause how he just
has a weird thing about keeping guys on one year deals.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Last team in the NFC East Washington two to one,
maybe two twenty to win the division. I don't have
a strong opinion about their drafts. I don't know that
they did anything to immediately vault them any higher, any
closer to the Eagles, and they didn't lose ground to
the Cowboys. The key for them is they got Jaden Daniels,
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and now what can they do to improve their defense.
I don't know that they did anything spectacular to help themselves.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
No, and there are Yearly so another team I would
not touch. Their odds is they should be closer to
plus three fifty plus four hundred for this division than
they are. They're just they're just beloved by everybody. People
are making Jamie Daniels the top five quarterback already in
this league, a guy who's played one year. So that's
just stay away from them. And you know, this draft,
they had five picks. What are you going to do?
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Not much I am going to use you know, go great,
got offensive tackle at pick twenty nine. Love it like
that's what they should be doing. Yeah, it's ten year
plan now with the quarterback that they have, you were
thinking ten years now every draft you should be thinking
ten years. So yeah, I like this Washington team, but
nothing no value here for me, divisionally imbenting on them.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
One of the great anecdotes from the draft was Cliff
Kingsbury leaving a note for the Washington GM on his
door that just says, stop by, please take Oregon left
tackle Josh Connolly. Who's the guy they took from Oregon?
So good for them. Let's talk about the NFC West
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forty nine ers made a very important pick in the
seventh round of the draft, which to me says everything
we need to know about how serious they are when
it comes to keeping Brock Purty. Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:09):
They chose Curtis Rourke, Indiana University starting quarterback in the
seventh round. To me, that clearly says we're not messing
around with Brock Purty. We're going to recreate the seventh
round magic and they're gonna bring Curtis Rourke into the
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starting lineup replacing Brock Party when he wants his sixty
five to seventy million a year, they're gonna be like, eh,
we got the winner who took the Indiana Hoosiers to
the college football playoff.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
As just say, the only reason you draft this kid
is he's a winner and he's smart. That's what That's
what they're saying themselves. So yeah, the their draft Chad
just what I talked about earlier. It's they went in
with a plan. They attacked the weakness of their team.
What is the weakness right now the forty nine ers,
it's that defense. They have a whole total overhaul of
this defense. So yeah, they started with an edge, a
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D tackle, D lineman dB D lineman Like that just
shows you exactly what they're playing. Was there just to
attack that D line and attack what they think is
weakness ran on their team is that defense? So yeah,
not much to say of the forty nine ers. Yere
plus one forty five don't like that value at all.
I think they're overrunder win totals like ten and a half. Yeah,
I can't do it. So yeah, interesting team coming into
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this season. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
They went Michael Williams, is it mkal or Michael Edge
rusher from Georgia. Then they went defensive tackle, then they
went linebacker, then they went cornerback, defensive tackle. They had
a wide receiver, a running back, like a safety. They
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basically just rafted all defenders other than Curtis Rourke future
starting quarterback. The Rams in a while plus win sixty
five to win the division. There was a lot of people.
There were a lot of people who were like, will
the Rams go after Shadoor Sanders? It felt like, you know,
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they need that pick, they need a guy who can
back up Matthew Stafford. Were you surprised at the Rams draft?
Kind of a quiet draft, like they weren't aggressive, they
traded out. Were you surprised at the Rams draft?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
No, because all the whisperers you hear is that they
actually like Dart and that if you look they traded
out right after you got taken and they trade out
for a ton, like that's a great trade by getting
out of there getting a first round pick, for next year,
which we talked about before the draft. I think next
year is a really good draft class. So if that's
the route that they want to go with McVeigh, they're
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going to have opportunity. But yeah, this whole draft that
kept trading down, and yeah, this is a team that
you know, one of those front offices I just trust
and everything they do. Like they hadn't had a first
round pick for years and they finally did get one.
You know, they had the best defensive player of the
season last year and first so yeah, this is a
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team that you know, I wouldn't bet them at this
point plus one sixty five. They were plus two hundred.
It's come down. I'll wait. This is a slow starting team.
We have the history on it. Every year they start
slow and then they figure out if this season is
a long So yeah, we just have to trust this team. Right,
it's McVeigh in this front office. I assume they nailed
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the draft, but if we look at these pieces on
the draft board, I got no.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Clue, right, I mean, it's a lot of sort of
It wasn't shiny, spectacular, explosive players. It was a lot
of continuing to build depth for the Rams. In all
the places where they like to build death. They're building
depth at tight end, they're building depth across the defensive line,
and look, they've been brilliant at it. We saw it
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last year. If they think, all right, we can get
through one year with Matthew Stafford and then next year,
if we've got two picks, we can package trade up
get one of the top quarterbacks coming out of the
draft that could put him in a really good position.
Totally agree with you. It's interesting to me. It makes
me feel better about the Giants loving Jackson Dart that
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Sean McVay like Jackson Dart so much. Arizona Cardinals plus
five point fifty to win the division. We talk about
guys dropping, We talked about trade or we talked about
Mike green Will Johnson, who they took in the second round,
the cornerback from Michigan. He dropped because of an injury.
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But people are loving this pick, talking about him having
all pro potential that you don't often get in the
second round. Are we more enthusiastic about the Arizona Cardinals
right now?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah? This mean is the best Valus division. If you're
looking just divisional odds, well, you know, you can get
a plus five to fifty plus six on you shop around.
To me, this draft, they needed to attack the defense.
Just say a couple of teams you've already talked about,
and they did, like first round pick de tackled then
like you said, will Johnson cornerback. Then they went edge,
and then they went and then they went d back
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Like this is how they should have drafted, right. That's
the weakness of this team is their defense, for sure.
So confidence in Kyler Murray every year it gets less
and less. Chad, I think you're in the same boat.
So this is a team where every year it feels
like it's a make or break career year for Kyler.
We all know he's got the talent, he's got the tools,
he's got the weapons offensively, no more excuses were over.
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I think everyone's kind of over. I think Arizona is
about a year or two away from being over it
as well. So I love what they did attack the defense.
You got a defensive minded head coach. He should not
have scout these players. So uh yeah, to me, best
value right now Arizona in this division.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Divisional odds Seattle six to one. They got Sam Darnold
they drafted Jalen Milroe. It can be interesting for a
couple of packages a game. They really focused on the
offensive line. That was the issue last year. We saw it.
They couldn't stop anybody from getting to Gino last year
and that ultimately became the achilles heel for the team.
(35:13):
So the first thing they do they draft this guy,
grays Abel, who's the guard from North Dakota State who
Mel went crazy over. And it was a sort of
a non spectacular, non high profile names yet players who
if you look at draft experts, everybody loved what Seattle did.
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They loved they drafted high quality, high potential for need
on their team.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah. I love this kid, you know. I've saw a
couple of interviews with him. His personality as well, It's like,
this is the exact kind of guy one on my
offensive line. He's got that personality for it and just
an absolute dog. But that's not going to fix their
issues the companies coming season. That the more I look
at their team, I'm excited to see what their defense
is going to be like in year two. But their
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offensive line is terrible, and that's Sam Darnold's achille heels pressure,
especially up the middle so great that they took a guard,
a guy who think is gonna be a good player,
But they have a lot of holes to fix, and
I just don't think they did enough in this draft
to fix those holes on that offensive line.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Let's do the NFC South because we love Baker and
last year, at this time, I think we were thinking
the Bucks might be the worst team in the division.
Now they are the odds on favorite to win again.
They chose a Mecca a Buka, the wide receiver from
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Ohio State, which could just tell you something about how
they feel about Chris Godwin. They also chose a guy
that we talked about last week on the podcast with
Thorne Eystrom, who loved Benji Morrison, the cornerback from Notre Dame.
They drafted him in the second round. And you know,
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if you want to talk, maybe I'm getting soft. You
loved the prank call of Obrook's kid to Shador Sanders.
I love the complete, total, genuine, authentic emotional response that
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Ben Morrison had when he was got when he got
the call from the Bucks and was just full water works,
full tears, joy, relief, pride, happiness with his family. That
to me was like those homecoming videos that you get
(37:49):
on TikTok where the soldiers come home and they're hugging
their kids and the kids see them and they freak out.
That to me, what that was. I could just watch
that all day. Go Bucks, Go Ben Morrison.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
And I would say just from the top, pretty interesting
that they open at plus one ten for this division,
like the fact that the books are giving them so
much more weight over Penix in Atlanta, which I think
is going to be the really Joe public team. So
that shows that early smart money's got to be Tampa, right,
That's that's professional money here making that number what it is.
And looking at this draft, like you just said, they
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had to attack that secondary. That was their biggest weakness
last year. I know they had horrible amount of injuries
and at the end of the day though, they just
had a talent weakness at that position. Even their starters
before they got hurt weren't great. So the fact that
you know they're going after their cornerbacks, they're going after
d line and like you said, start out the top
with a wide receiver because you know Godwin is coming
off a major injury. Love it all, Chad and it's
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just Tampa. Like we keep saying, it's incredible the organization
they are in this division where you know, as much
as we love shitting on this division, this is a
Tampa team that is an expansion team has won multiple
Super Bowls, and it's it's pretty incredible at this point
that Tom Brady, now, what is a year three since
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he's been gone, and they've won the division two years
in a row since he's left, so really really impressive,
And like Chad's basically saying, We're just gonna trust this
front office. They just keep making the right draft picks
and the right moves.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Uh, speaking of Atlanta not understanding their moves for the
second year in a row. Yeah, okay, Like they got
their their their edge rusher in the middle of the
first round, and then they trade a first round uder
the Rams, who basically fleeced them to get back into
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the first round and draft another EDG rusher who wasn't
even like the highest rated ED rusher left on the board.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, it's it's bizarre, especially where I love the Walker pick.
It felt like that was a oh great, you guys
are attacking the edge, you need the ends. Great, Now
I'll take another one in the second round. Maybe No,
they traded back and they take another DN, which is good.
I liked the idea for their team, but like you said,
it's really stupid value, especially where they have an unproven
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quarterback in Penix being their starting next tray. I mean,
they could shit the bed. This could be a top ten,
top fifteen pick. So who bizarre move rams like we said,
just the rich getting richer. Smart move by them. And yeah, overall,
this is a team that need to attack the defense.
Like we talked about, they used their first four picks
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attacking the defense. Their last pick, picked to eighteen, took
an old lineman. So yeah, this, like you said, plus
two to thirty plus two forty for them to win
this division. I'm not touching Atlanta. I just I don't
really trust this team, and I don't know how I
feel yet about Penix.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Is it truly in the year to say, all right,
we're going in on the Panthers at plus four to
thirty five because they basically they addressed every need. They
needed a receiver for Bryce Young, they needed edge rushers,
they did that. They needed help like along the defensive
line generally, they did that like they were great. They
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were totally great. Love the Panthers if we believed in
them at the end of the year. We have to
believe in them. At plus four thirty five.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, like you said, like, this is the team we're
gonna love. And you know the fact that they were
plus five hundred, got bet down at plus four to fifty.
Now they're down to plus four to twenty five. It
makes sense. I think most professionals are like us. But
they're just gonna look at the team that they have
so much potential. And like said, this draft, they attacked
all the needs we talked about, right, They needed edge help,
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some dns. They wouldn't got two of them. The first
round pick is gonna be interesting. Chad like this kid McMillan,
this fire receiver, like a couple of really bad clips
of them out there, him talking about he doesn't love football,
doesn't like like doing the extra work right, reading through
the playbook. I think what he came out and said afterwards,
he was just young and stupid and he was just
talking out of his ass. And I hope that's true,
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because shed all the time. It's easy to act like
you love this the great ones though they love it
and they put in the work and that's what you're
going to need, especially if you're going to be the
number one receiver of this team. So we're on the
same page. It's never to worry for us to show
our love on this Panthers and the fact that it's
still above plus four hundred. I love that value right
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on this Panthers team to win this division.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Look at Nick Saban, who I love had great comments
about this happens in every field. Just because you have
innate talent as a football player doesn't mean it translates
when you get to the higher levels. In the same
way you might have innate talent as a doctor. Doesn't
mean it's going to translate if you don't commit to
the process, if you don't do the work, if you're
not passionate about it, if you don't want to study
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on a regular basis. You can be the greatest doctor,
the greatest football player in the world. There's very few
people who can get away with not doing all the
stuff that it takes to elevate to the next level.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
And it can't be an outcome.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Orient the guy.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
If you're going to be productive, because you're going to
focus on what you need to do to get it right.
And I think a lot of times when guys have talent,
you just assume that they have that. Everybody's smart that
goes to medical school, but everybody doesn't make it through,
and some that make it through don't make good doctors.
So it's the same kind of thing with athletes. When
people are a process oriented and then they have a
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discipline to execute it, that's when you get a talented
player who becomes a great player.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
But like I always love the story about young guys
who come in they see the veteran quarterback and how
eye open is and you know, Mahomes tells a great
story by Alex Smith where he was just like I
knew how hard I had to work, but seeing the
fact that he was always the first one in, last
one out, like really, it does instill into you. It's
like you want to be the best. The guy who
was already much better than you was putting in that
extra hours. Like we talk the time, the Kobe story,
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Kobe going to the gym with the USA basketball team
at four or five in the morning. Lebron James couldn't
believe it. He goes, wait, you're practicing before our practice
and lifting, and that's when he realized, like that's what
it takes to be great. So yeah, it's it's really
interesting what did in this draft this Panthers team.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Saints went with Calvin Banks first pick, tackle from Texas.
We had a long conversation about them in the podcast
last week where his position was going to be. He
was starting to get all this love. People thought he
might go before Will Campbell, who went forth over all
the Patriots. He did not. But what got interesting was
everyone thought Shed Sanders to the Saints was the exact
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right spot, and then in the second round they draft that,
you know, eighty five year old quarterback from Louisville. So
clearly sand Sanders was never in there in the Saints
draft plans. There's seven to one right now to win
the NFC South.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, I was reading about that kid, Tyler. I think
he's like twenty sixth a quarterback they took from Louisville.
Uhrathley my age seriously though, very bizarre, very bizarre pick.
Like I had said before, I know that he has
a ton of talent. It's someone who can never stay
healthy and like you know, has never proven to be
what he just got to draft that. So, yeah, the Saints,
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I thought they had the worst draft in this division.
But I think it's also just, you know, part of
the deal with this Saints team. It's just they're going
to be doubted every step just because they've just been
a train wreck here this last five six years. So yeah,
don't much have to say about the Saints team. Would
not touch them at plus eight hundred plus seven to fifty.
Ton't win this division.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Best division in football, NFC North Detroit Lions best record
in football last year, number one seed, did it with
masking tape on their defensive side, on the defensive side
of the ball. So what do they do? First pick?
They draft a guy from Ohio State defensive tackle. Great move,
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but then they go offensive line, wide receiver, offensive line.
They don't go back to the defensive line in an
edge rusher until the sixth round of the draft. They're
clearly smarter than we are. They are the odds on
favorite to win the division plus one thirty. At that
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three sixty five, I'm not betting the Lions to win
this division.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
No, you know, we might overrate it a little bit
on this show how important coaching is, but there is
some truth to our madness and the fact they lost
such important key figures to this team from the defensive
side and the offensive side of the coaching position, we
have to hold it accountable. And you know, we talked
about this division. The worst odds are now are Chad's
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Bears a plus four to fifty, which is how crazy.
That's how close this division is right.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Now, and we're betting the Bears.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Like you said, though, it's the best division of football.
So I want to take a position on Detroit. I
don't think this is the spot to take it, especially divisionally.
It's not a good number. And like you said, I'm
going to trust the front office. I like that they
attacked just the D line. The D line first pick. Great,
Now give me a couple offense alignment, right, keep building
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on what that makes you guys so great? Which is
that offensive line. That's that's what it's all about. And
you know the whispers we hear about them moving on
from the wide receiver Williams, we don't know how true
it is, but they did take a wide receiver at
pick seventy. That's a big deal. So ye, you're right, like,
this is not a team we're gonna take a plus
one thirty. But I'm excited to see what they're gonna
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be like without Ben Johnson. Like this is just a
team that oozes a crazy amount of talent. Can they
stop being cursed? Put it all together? Remains to be seen.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Packers plus two seventy five. Jordan Love coming back for
a full season healthy, and I do like what they
did here. After years of neglecting the receiver room generally
and trying to patch together with with lower rated players,
they went out and got a burner in Matthew Golden,
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who had dropped a little bit. A lot of people
thought he might be the number one receiving prospect, and
they got him at twenty three. That's a weapon for
Jordan Love. I love this play. Still not the team
I would bet to win the division.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, I don't hate the number. I wish it was
plus three hundred plus two seventy five. It feels like
we missed the best of the number for this division.
You know, love the golden pick. Green Bay fans bitching
and moaning about them never taking talented receivers. You guys
drafted DeVante Adams. What the fuck you're talking about, Jordan Nelson?
You drafted him as well. It's like you guys have
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had some great draft picks. Your front office is just
smart taking them in the second third round. And you know,
Golden here, you definitely slipped right. This is the guy
that lot of yeah for sure to be a top ten,
top fifteen pick and maybe the first receiver off the board. Yes,
Speedster excited to see what the floor does with him
in different packages. You know, this is a team that
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went receiver, offensive tackle, receiver. I love that start right,
they're basically saying that and love. Okay, We'll we failed
you a little bit here. We've not gotten you the
weapons wide receiverally that we should have in these last
two three years. We're going to attack that position in
this draft. And you know, obviously they need Golden to
hit right. In this division, the difference between the number
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one team and the last place team is so small.
It's gonna be guys like this, this type of pick
that could change his division. So if Golden hits, he's
a Tyreek Hill type, you know, a sweetzer that can
stretch the field and open up the run game for
Josh Jacobs. It's our home run of a draft pick.
So yeah, I get why Green Bays fans are so excited.
How can you not be taking this kid with a
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great name as well, Golden, I love it at pick twenty.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Three Minnesota Vikings plus four hundred Minnesota Vikings. Look, it's
basically JJ McCarthy was their number one pick because he'll
be starting this year. So they did the right things.
They drafted a guard from Ohio State, Donovan Jackson, to
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help protect him. They drafted a wide receiver from Maryland
Future School for my younger son, Owen Millman, who has
decided to commit to Maryland. Uh, we're super excited about that.
Go Turps. Yeah, they did the things they need to
do in the first couple of rounds to give JJ
McCarthy a little bit more support. You're always gonna trust
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their coach. I like the value at Minnesota at this number.
Don't like it as much as the Bears though, No.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I wouldn't touch it. It's too much unknown with j J.
I'm excited. Obviously they got high hopes. This kid's a winner,
but like we talked about him coming out, just never
had enough reps, never never had enough reps in college
of passing the ball, really having the offense on his back,
so a ton of unknown you know, Koc, How can
you not trust this guy? He made Sam Darnold and
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do one hundred million dollar quarterback and do a playoff
caliber quarterback. So yeah, to me, worst drafting division just
because they had no fucking picks. Man, They've had to
pick twenty four take a guard. Great, Now they don't
pick till one oh two like that. That's really tough.
So yeah, they mortgage the future. They got the quarterback
from last year. Like you said, it's they're not They
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don't care if they win this year. This is all
about setting up for the next two to three to
four years. So that from my standpoint, I'm with you.
I liked they went guard receiver. Nice way to start it.
But yeah, this this to me was enoughing draft from Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Chicago Bears plus four point fifty. There it is there,
it is there. It look they sucker us every year.
They truly do. They do, they really do. And so
you know, credit to Ryan Poles and the front office
who win the off season so consistently that we cannot
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help ourselves but pull the trigger.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Well, we were negative last year, Smartley, We were all
over the tread divisionally, and we were on the Bears
under win.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Total, so that's true.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
We're back on this year, though.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
We're so back on. I love the Loveland pick, you know,
I'm raft. I'm all in him being Sam Laporta part
two for Ben Johnson Luther Burden, who going into the season,
like a lot of people thought he might be the
best receiver in the draft. So the fact that he
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dropped to the second round for the Bears and they
got him, and then they drafted an offensive lineman, a
six eight dude from Boston College Ye who will help
solidify the offensive line. That was a real issue obviously
for Caleb because he was sacked many times last year,
partially his fault he should let the ball go sooner.
We're gonna work on that, but they need defensive line help,
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and they kind of ignored it and just said, we
need to do everything we can to maximize the opportunity
for Caleb Williams to be successful. Recognizing how important and
how good the other quarterbacks are in their division and
in their conference, they need him to be great week one.
This is the best opportunity to do that. So I'm
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all in. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
They also made a deal to Devil and Ben Johnson.
They gave him a ton of money and you can
see in this draft that they let his imprint be
known on this team. And I love the pick with Loveland.
You know, I really thought they couldn't go wrong him
or Warrener, you know, the kid out of Penn State,
both great tight ends. Loveland's a freak. This kid could
be Gronk or like you said, Sam Laporta, that's that's
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the ceiling, you know the fact that they get this
kid out of Missoo and the next round and where
it's like, like Chad said, he's projected to be your
first round of Steve Smith loves this kid, like can't
stop raving about him. And then you know it's not
the sexiest pick, but I like this kid Turner you
got as an edge. I think he has some really
high upside. So overall, like to me, the Bears their
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first fourth picks really knocked it out of the park.
And yeah, I just I have so much faith in
Ben Johnson. If I don't really trust your your general
manager totally, I really do trust Ben Johnson and his
vision for building this team how he wants to. And
you can immediately see his imprint on this team right
from this get go with this draft.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
I'm glad we're in agreement. I want to be like
having to push you into the Bears.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
No, no, I'm man.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
This is fantastic. All right, we're gonna come back tomorrow.
We're gonna do the AFC tomorrow. But it's fun going
through and trying to find the value early value, division
by division for these teams coming out of the draft.
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hello, Chad. What a sports weekend, brother.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I mean, look, the Draft was amazing and we're going
to talk about that, no shortage of drama, and you
and I we are going to go through the entirety
of the league. We're going to talk about the NFC today.
Tomorrow we're going to touch on the AFC a very
special episode. It's going to come out a day earlier
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than usual. Thursday, we'll do an episode, our third episode
of the week, about the Kentucky Derby, with our annual
guest Mike Conti. But dude, I don't know about you. Like,
for some reason, I ended up kind of having no
plans this weekend, and so I watched a ton of
the Draft, and then I watched so much NBA and
(01:15):
these games were insane. The Clippers and the Nuggets was insane.
The Pistons and the Knicks was insane. The Lakers and
the Tea Wolves was insane, but also somehow I found
myself watching the Cubs and the Phillies on Saturday, and
the Cubs and the Phillies last night. It was like
a full on sportacular.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, it's especially someone like me who was kind of
a phony NBA fan, where I just because my team
sucked the Sixers. I barely watch any but I mainly
watched college basketball. But as soon as the playoffs hit,
I feel like we all just dive back in because
that's when everyone's trying. The games are really competitive and
it just means so much more and you really can tell,
like the level of plays, so just such a huge
step up. So yeah, for me, it's really fun. But
(02:03):
I know is like someone that tries to bet it.
It is crazy jumping into it trying to especially you
know the actually newhere. We have a ton of basketball content.
We've been trying to bet these overtime bets. I love it.
It's like fifteen to one, sometimes twenty to one. That
to me has been really fun sweating these games. Like
I don't pick a side, I'm just betting overtime and
hoping to hit one in every series. So yeah, it's
(02:23):
been really fun.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
The athleticism of these guys is ridiculous, and like even
the third fourth level guys. The ability their hands are
so good in this interior passing and the way these
guys can see and they move the ball like it's
just remarkable, like you cannot help but love watching it.
And the level of competitiveness is so intense, like like
(02:50):
that Piston's next game yesterday or watching it on Sunday,
actually so glorious. I really wanted the Knicks to lose,
like I love this's team. It's so much fun. I
kind of wanted the Lakers to beat the Tea Wolves,
but Anthony Edwards is just glorious to wash like we are.
We are in it right now. Steph Curry the other night,
(03:13):
oh my god, like his step backs, the way he
can put on the brakes. He willed that team to victory.
It is. If you're not watching the NBA plass right now,
you got to get into it. But we are going
to get into the NFL drafts because here's how crazy
and fun the NFL Draft is. Thursday night, we were
(03:35):
watching the Pistons Knicks in my house and even my son,
who's a massive NBA fan wanted to turn on the
first round of the NFL drafts, and I think a
lot of it was because of Shador Sanders, which we're
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restrictions apply, all right, I mean, look, there were there
were players that dropped, right Will Johnson injury, Mike Green,
the linebacker from Marshall, there were some questionable character issues,
(04:44):
so he fell to the Ravens. But there's only one
story here, shardor Sanders shadrourw Sanders dropping. We talked about
this last week with Raybon and Evan. How did this
impact your bets seeing how he dropped?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I mean I lost money on it. I thought, uh,
the over, I like the over two and a half
quarterbacks first round, and you know, it just goes to
show that I think you kind of got to tell
on what people you can kind of trust and follow
in the sports media that give out these mocks. I
just don't understand how these people it's their jobs and
you had people saying he was their top five guy,
(05:24):
their number one quarterback on their draft board, Let's do
one in the fifth round. So there's clearly a disconnect there.
Like I I can't wrap my head around that part
because it's like I get a lot of it. A
lot of these people are phonies and they don't really
talk to anybody, but like, how could you, how could
you have been so off? And you know, typical fashion,
the stories come out after right chat, It's like, you know,
(05:46):
Apparently he wore headphones to meetings at the combine when
he's meeting with teams with music playing on his headphones
and then puts it around his neck while the music
keeps playing while doing the interviews with these teams. I
can't wrap my head around that's real. If that's real,
that's it. Truly is insane that he was self sabotaging
because there's teams he didn't want to go to where. Yeah,
(06:06):
the NFL, it's a business, it is a sports league,
but if you take them to court, they say entertainment first.
I don't know the collusion. I know Chad knows, doesn't
know about the collusion, but something went on. Like this kid,
anyone could tell you he's got second round talent at worst,
right his arm talent. Things you can do in the field, Okay, personality,
bump them down to a third round chat, I'll give
(06:28):
them that. But for this kid to drop to the
fifth round, you know, he must have just burned a
ton of bridges and the league humbled them. And you know,
I love the historical data, dove it right in. I
asked myself, who is a great fifth round quarterback? Chat?
I don't know if you could think on one for
a second. I got an answer for you. It's zero.
It's never happened in the NFL. So I'm excited for
(06:51):
him to prove these teams wrong and write his own
story or he's going to fall apart, be a wash
out of a league of three four years and these GMS,
these teams were right. So really interesting storyline to file
for the next three four years out of what Sanders
is going to become.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Well, look the meltdown, the meltdown for lack of a
better term, of Kuiper and watching him kind of get
angrier and angrier as the days went on, of how
Shador Sanders was dropping when he had him as QB
one from the beginning and never wavered. And he actually
(07:30):
talked about this because I like, it was riveting to me,
and I think by I don't know what it was
Saturday afternoon, I was watching the draft at this point
only to see where Shudor Sanders was going to go.
And it's kind of like when everybody was watching the
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second round of the NBA draft last year to see
what happened to Bronni. When Shador Sanders finally got drafted
in the fifth round went on air and said, these
are the number of quarterbacks from the fifth round who
have ever made the Pro Bowl. Something to that extent.
The number was zero. It was like in the third
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round you had like sixteen, and the.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Fourth round of comally it's freak.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Seventeen even in the sixth round because of Brady, but like,
you know, zero in the fifth round, and you really
got to look at this. The NFL, for all of
its failings, and we've talked a lot about the inability
to accurately scout quarterbacks. It is rare. The reason why
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everyone talks about it when a Puka Nakua comes out
of nowhere, when a Tom Brady comes out of nowhere.
Because those are the exceptions. Shdor Sanders is going to
have to defy tremendous odds to get on that field
and be effective and be the player that everyone thought
he would be in all of their mock drafts. Kudos
(09:03):
to Evan and Raybond who, throughout their draft podcasts they
were saying this guy is not a first round talent.
They weren't saying he was a fifth round talent. But like,
this is not a guarantee that just because he's going
to a team that might be the right fit for him,
that he's going to get a chance to be the
guy everyone thought he could have been when they were
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mocking him to go in the first round.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, like I told you months ago, I had Scott
tell me this guy was the second round talent. They
didn't tell me he was off their draft board. Like
that was the thing that was the most shocking. It's
like the day after everyone's like, no, the half these
teams did have this guy is a top you know,
four round picks. Some had them off his their draft board.
It's like who had them off his draft board? Like
he had to have self sabotage? Yet I just none
(09:47):
of it. Nothing else makes sense where it's like, you know,
I try to look go through and think of that,
who are the cockiest personalities come out of the last
ten years, Like that's what I was trying to think of.
Who would go in there and be such an asshole
that they were just like I don't care the talent level.
I'm downgrading this kid. I'm not nobody exactly the thing
that's exactly like the only ones I could pop my head.
(10:09):
I'm like, even if Joe Burrows cocky as shit. He
wasn't an asshole, He wasn't ignorant about it. He wasn't
going to these meetings being like I'm hot, shit, I
don'm not. I'm not even taking an interview with the Bengals.
I'm too good to go to Cincinnati. You didn't hear
any of that with Joe, even though you know he
could come off his arrogant to a lot of people.
You know, it's it's a fine line, and you know
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he had the talent obviously to back it up, where
these teams are saying to say ers, you do not
have the talent to back up your personality. So yeah,
it's it's gonna be a hot topic chat for the
next couple of years just because everyone obviously had an
opinion on it when it was happening. I'm sure you're
the same way where part of you feels bad, but
there's another part of you of he had to have
brought the sun himself, like there's no other exp Like,
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these guys are trying to win. This is a business.
So for all of them together to take a stand
and say this kid's a fifth round pick, it was shocking.
Like we just said, we all at worst I'll use
the second round pick. He was three rounds later, Chad.
So yeah, definitely the craziest storyline of the weekend.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Well, look, what's interesting about the NFL, and what's interesting
about NFL owners is the tolerance for criminal misbehavior, violent
misbehavior versus their tolerance for attitude misbehavior, potential distractions in
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the locker room, Shegar Sanders, cocky, arrogant, you know, distraction,
Colin Kaepernick, distraction. But how many players get drafted, how
many players get second chances, how many players are atop
anybody's draft board after egregious criminal mistakes, right, And so
(12:01):
you can see what the line is for NFL owners.
They don't want anyone who is going to make noise
and challenge them from a personality perspective, But they don't
mind people who are going to challenge what are considered
to be the appropriate ethics and beliefs that they should have.
(12:24):
It's a very interesting study. There's no denying it. Like
where owners fall on the line of challenging personality versus
challenging criminal behavior.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
There is, But it's because of the money. Brother. It's like,
like I love Tim Tebow, you can't have Tim Tebow,
But be your third stringer. That's why Tim Tubo was
at the league. Who wants to hear about your third
shrink quarterback all the time? So I get what you're
talking about. But at the end of the day, you
know a lot of these guys do have personalities. They
just the money so insane. They know, right, don't say shit,
(12:58):
just play the play the game. So you know, the
only guy that really can say shit is Aaron Rodgers
because he's on his way out, he can be a
little crazy talk about doing drugs and all this other stuff.
In the off season. You ain't never gonna hear any
of these young guys talking about that stuff, Chad. So yeah,
I just I can't get over how how that happened.
Like you said, the whole meltdown on TV with Mel,
(13:20):
it was theater. It's it's what we love is humans.
It's just it's crazy to watch.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
It was such good theater. Yeah it was. It was glorious.
And you know what good from Mel, like good for
Mel that he stuck to his guns and he's done
this in the past. Look, there's that infamous scene with
Bill Pollion when.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
They they're gonna say Jimmy Clawson that's even that's more recent.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Well yeah, obviously, but but no, I remember Jimmy Clawson
and he's saying this guy should make eight Pro Bowls
and whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
But he said, you quit, You said he would, right, tire.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That's right. But what's interesting is like mel is an
affable guy. We love melt We've had him on the
show and I think he's fantastic and what he's done
with the dress is amazing. But I love that he
will be stubborn on certain things and this is a
relationship business and he does not back down from it,
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and he cannot be challenged by anybody for his opinions
because he's been right so often and he created what
has now become this massive, massive industry of covering the
draft and being mesmerized by the draft. And I love
the fact that he has been pounding the table on
Shudur Sanders. I don't care about Shouldrew Sanders' success or failure.
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I am interested to see if Shudrew Sanders can make
Mel Kuiper look good, because that, to me, is going
to be a storyline that is going to be relevant
until it's decided. And the way these things go, look,
Geno Smith, his career becomes career until he was ten
years in. So in ten years mel Kuiper might long
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be retired and he can finally be proven right about Shuldress.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Sanders Well, I said, say, and he's ceiling with Gino Smith.
So you know, I don't know how much that's winning
mel Kiper. The at the end of it, if it
is a Geno Smith type, it's like, all right, way
to go.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Well, it's funny because he does have that list of
players drafted who were who slid down the board, who
he had as much higher ranked players. Geno's on there,
Jimmy Clawson is on there. I think there were eight
guys on there, and six of them have gone on
to really productive careers. Two of them Jimmy Clawson and
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somebody else did not. And he's got one more guy
on there, Will Levis, who you know, it remains to
be seen, but it's not looking good. That wasn't on
the list. And to me, like, I don't know, Geno's
done okay, like he's had a good few years. I
think that our are sort of seen in a better
(15:53):
light because of where he came from. And so you know,
we're going to talk about the Raiders for the show tomorrow,
and I think that they'll be in a good position.
But no one's looking at the Raiders. It's like a threat.
And so if Shadr Sander's going to be a guy
who is good enough to make a team win some games,
(16:14):
but never a threat, We're gonna find out. But it's
gonna be a great story and it's why this league
is so much fun.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Give them hard knocks, Oh.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
God, that would be amazing. There's you know, there's all
those goofy rules about hard knocks, but who knows if
they're eligible for hard knocks. But if the NFL knows
what it's doing, which it definitely does as an entertainment entity,
they will figure out how to fix those rules. So
Cleveland is one hundred percent in hard knocks again. All right,
(16:43):
I want to get to team by teams here, NFC
East start with the Giants. You know, they had Abdul Carter,
great pick, everyone's you know, saying it's a no brainer,
number three overall edge rusher from Penn State. Then this
is where it gets exciting, right. They they trade back
into the first round and they go to get Jackson Dart,
a guy who was clearly gonna sit this year behind
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Russell Wilson and James Winston. So did Brian Dayball and
Joe Shane just draft a guy they'll never get to develop.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I don't know. Brian might stick around. It is a
question about the GM, especially the whole story about his
kid was putting up Jackson.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
It wasn't true, though, That wasn't true. Oh really, Oh
you didn't see Oh no it was. This is crazy.
This is another thing like Jeff Ulbrick, the former interim
coach for the Jets, now the defensive coordinator for the
Atlanta Falcons, left his iPad accessible for his kid. His
kid got the number and pulled the prank and then
(17:48):
admitted it over the weekend and called the Sanders family
to apologize. And let me just say this, I thought
that was a bullshit, low class, dickhead, amateur hour cruel move.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
You don't like prank calls.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I love prank calls. I do like I used to
listen to The Jerky Boys and CD on the way
home from driving to from Chicago to Bloomington and back
and Bloomington back to Chicago. Loved it. Huge Jerky Boys
fan obviously love when Stern does his prank calls, all
that kind of stuff. But I think there's a difference
(18:28):
here between dor Sanders, who was clearly as arrogant as
he is, was actually trying to handle the whole draft
situation with dignity and being open about it and standing
in front of the camera and making statements and communicating
with fans. He could have gone into a hole, and
(18:50):
you know, while he's living his life out loud when
he's successful, decided I'm not I need my privacy when
I don't. He didn't do that, and instead these Edia
kids act like fucking dickheads and try to be funny
and take a challenging moment for Shudor Sanders and make
it worse. I just thought it was bullshit. I didn't
(19:12):
even watch it.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
My kid asked me last night at dinner if I
had watched it, because he had told me about the apology.
I'm like, I didn't even watch it, Like, I just
it made me uncomfortable. It felt like it was voyeuristic
and they were dicks. That's how I felt.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
As always, humor is subjective. I am a fan of
all prank calls. I an't gonna be on my deathbed
call me up, prank call me anything. I don't care.
I'm just I'm still glad that the youth's still doing
it because it's I thought it was a dying art, right.
I mean in my youth, Chad, the amount of time
we just spent a Friday night when I was in
eighth grade or seventh grade. It's different. These kids are
(19:50):
twenty one. Chad's write their psychopaths. But the fuck up
was they videotaped themselves. Don't. Yeah, that's the issue with
the youth today is they don't. They're too stupid in
that part. But yeah, prank calls. I'm about it. So yeah,
that's what differ.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Listen, I love prank calls.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I know your father, you're thinking of it from like
your this is your kid from I don't. I don't
give a fuck fuck them kids. I don't have kids.
So I am the other way where it's like I
loved it.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Uh, And I can't believe I have to be out
every year there's prank calls defending Shador Sanders. I don't like.
I don't care about his success in the NFL. I
just thought it was a loser move.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
That's all I'll give back the Giants, Giants to.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Let me get you. Let me let me say this
about the Giants, the Giants, because I do want to
make sure people have their odds to win the NFC
East right now plus twenty eight hundred, twenty eight to one.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, And I love their draft, Like I always want
to shit on the Giants just because it's been easy
these last couple of years. But for this division, they
had my favorite draft, and it's it's just a draft
of hope and they have not had that in New
York in a long time. And because no one really
like a lot of guys, I know, especially in the
area I live in, a lot of Giants fans, none
of them really believed in Daniel Jones like they had
(21:14):
high hopes his rookie year. I remember his first game
against Tampa. It was insane how good he was and
end up being probably one of his best games of
his career, which was his first start ever against Tampa.
And he never really gave him hope, where you know,
Dart easily could be a bust. You know, this kid
has a lot of upside, but he has a lot
of game to him where you're just like, this is
not going to translate to the NFL. I mean the
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kids in a division with Dak Prescott, a guy who
I know people left it dead. He was second in
MVP voting just two years ago. He's got a Super
Bowl MVP inis division, Jalen Hurts, and then he's got
arguably the best rookie we've ever seen in Jade Daniels.
It's really tough right now for Giants fans, So to me,
this was a win for them. You have a lot
of pieces here that I really like. Carter my number
(21:58):
one player unlike graded for this draft. They got him
as an edge rusher. I hate that, Like he's gonna
be so tough to face in this division. So yeah,
great draft by New York. Would not touch their odds
for them winning this division. I think you're on the
same boat.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Well, so let's go to another wildcard there, which is
the Cowboys who meeted a wide receiver, didn't get one
in the first round, needed a running back, didn't get
one in the first round. They needed some offensive line help.
They reached for a guard at number twelve, the kid
(22:35):
from Alabama. And you know, clearly Jerry is trying to
recapture that magic of drafting Zach Martin. But the Cowboys,
who are what is that three to one? Basically? I
think I'm seeing yeah, seven to one, you're seeing seven
to one.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, seven to one for the division, I said something different.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Oh, yeah, you're right, seven to one. Uh. They're in
an interesting spot because Dak will be back, but they
still don't have a running back.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
We'll see. I love Blue, a kid they drafted at Texas.
You know, it's gonna be interesting what type of back
he is. He's gonna be CJ two K, this incredible
fast scatback, or is he just gonna be a random
third down guy they bring in because he's too small.
He just doesn't know how to block too like well,
like that that could be him. But yeah, like you said,
they they could have taken one higher up. They waited
to what pick nine something like that to take this kid. Yeah,
(23:37):
I'm with you on that. I I liked how they
started though. I liked that they went offensive guard. They're
attacking the offensive line, which they need to do now.
Like you said, they've lost all these Hall of Famers
across this last two years. It's it's a position of need.
So I know it sucks, right, people are hoping they're
gonna take a receiver there, which they just didn't grade out.
The receiver is high enough to take them there, and
(23:58):
that's that's how it is. When you're looking, you're a
big board in. You know, they went after the edge
in the next round, so that's good. But yeah, what's
is the team we're going to dive into a lot
this summer. I just love the value on this Cowboys team.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
You know, Yeah, you've bet the Cowboys on this spot.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
So yeah, so yeah, they're they're they're right now for me,
the to me, the best value in this division. They
were eight to one Mechad had a live show what
was that like a month ago? Now they're down to
seven to one and most books are six to one
at some book. So it's just a team that pros
are going to bet. In the public, they'll just stay
away because they had a year from hell last year.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I think that's the only thing you said at the
live show in the entire show was bet the Cowboys
to win the NFC East that how did you feel
about the Eagles? Let's talk about the Eagles. Yeah, everyone
loves what how we did? Everyone thinks hiw he's a genius,
like getting another player that he feels like they need
(24:52):
at linebacker. Did you have thoughts?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, Eagles minus one sixty right now, bet thrus is
five to win this division and coming in this draft,
I honestly it's I think most Eagles fans at this
point of we think we have the greatest football team ever.
There are no weaknesses. What could we do to make
this team better? So going in, I was just hoping
to go tight end or some type of d end.
And yeah, Jahad Campbell the kid they took in the
(25:16):
first round, stud linebacker from Alabama. Typical dumb fan, I am.
I know very little about this kid. What the hell
do I am? I watching tape on Alabama's linebackers. No,
so I've dove in on him, love him. Find out
he's from timber Creek, like literally twenty minutes away from
me here in South Jersey. So he's a local kid.
(25:37):
Stud doesn't need necessary play linebacker, can be an edge player.
So you know how he does it? Once again, how
does this guy fall right into his lap? Trades up,
which I want to bet, which I did not deserve
to win. I'd made a bet that Eagles would trade
up because I had info that how he was going
to try to move up, and apparently he was getting
rejected for an hour by every team trying to trade up,
(25:58):
and he saved my ass trade up one spot for
me to win that bet fifth round pick, and yeah,
you know it's it's a team that how he clearly
loves our offense. He took I think it was five
straight defensive players in this draft, so there's certain things
I like about teams doing that, and like, I think
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our offense has zero weaknesses attack the defense, and that's
exactly what he did. So once again, how most people
are giving him the classic A A plus, I'll give
him a bat plus.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
He did say something interesting about Dallas Goddard. He's part
of the team for now. What is that about?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I think he stays. I think they were going to
try to move him, but the tight ends they wanted
got taken, and they basically because this was a really
good tight end class and it just didn't work out
with the board. And he's got a one year deal.
How he doesn't really like playing playing guys on the
team on a one year deal, So that's why I
wouldn't be shocked if they don't move him, I would
not like to me. I know he does get injured
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when he's out there, tests so much trust to him,
especially on third downs, which is like we talk all
the time. If you have the right guy on third downs,
it changes the whole dynamic of your team. So I
hope they keep them Chad because they didn't address the position,
but still would not be shocked ause how he just
has a weird thing about keeping guys on one year deals.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Last team in the NFC East Washington two to one,
maybe two twenty to win the division. I don't have
a strong opinion about their drafts. I don't know that
they did anything to immediately vault them any higher, any
closer to the Eagles, and they didn't lose ground to
the Cowboys. The key for them is they got Jaden Daniels,
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and now what can they do to improve their defense.
I don't know that they did anything spectacular to help themselves.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
No, and there are Yearly so another team I would
not touch. Their odds is they should be closer to
plus three fifty plus four hundred for this division than
they are. They're just they're just beloved by everybody. People
are making Jamie Daniels the top five quarterback already in
this league, a guy who's played one year. So that's
just stay away from them. And you know, this draft,
they had five picks. What are you going to do?
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Not much I am going to use you know, go great,
got offensive tackle at pick twenty nine. Love it like
that's what they should be doing. Yeah, it's ten year
plan now with the quarterback that they have, you were
thinking ten years now every draft you should be thinking
ten years. So yeah, I like this Washington team, but
nothing no value here for me, divisionally imbenting on them.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
One of the great anecdotes from the draft was Cliff
Kingsbury leaving a note for the Washington GM on his
door that just says, stop by, please take Oregon left
tackle Josh Connolly. Who's the guy they took from Oregon?
So good for them. Let's talk about the NFC West
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forty nine ers made a very important pick in the
seventh round of the draft, which to me says everything
we need to know about how serious they are when
it comes to keeping Brock Purty. Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:09):
They chose Curtis Rourke, Indiana University starting quarterback in the
seventh round. To me, that clearly says we're not messing
around with Brock Purty. We're going to recreate the seventh
round magic and they're gonna bring Curtis Rourke into the
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starting lineup replacing Brock Party when he wants his sixty
five to seventy million a year, they're gonna be like, eh,
we got the winner who took the Indiana Hoosiers to
the college football playoff.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
As just say, the only reason you draft this kid
is he's a winner and he's smart. That's what That's
what they're saying themselves. So yeah, the their draft Chad
just what I talked about earlier. It's they went in
with a plan. They attacked the weakness of their team.
What is the weakness right now the forty nine ers,
it's that defense. They have a whole total overhaul of
this defense. So yeah, they started with an edge, a
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D tackle, D lineman dB D lineman Like that just
shows you exactly what they're playing. Was there just to
attack that D line and attack what they think is
weakness ran on their team is that defense? So yeah,
not much to say of the forty nine ers. Yere
plus one forty five don't like that value at all.
I think they're overrunder win totals like ten and a half. Yeah,
I can't do it. So yeah, interesting team coming into
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this season. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
They went Michael Williams, is it mkal or Michael Edge
rusher from Georgia. Then they went defensive tackle, then they
went linebacker, then they went cornerback, defensive tackle. They had
a wide receiver, a running back, like a safety. They
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basically just rafted all defenders other than Curtis Rourke future
starting quarterback. The Rams in a while plus win sixty
five to win the division. There was a lot of people.
There were a lot of people who were like, will
the Rams go after Shadoor Sanders? It felt like, you know,
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they need that pick, they need a guy who can
back up Matthew Stafford. Were you surprised at the Rams draft?
Kind of a quiet draft, like they weren't aggressive, they
traded out. Were you surprised at the Rams draft?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
No, because all the whisperers you hear is that they
actually like Dart and that if you look they traded
out right after you got taken and they trade out
for a ton, like that's a great trade by getting
out of there getting a first round pick, for next year,
which we talked about before the draft. I think next
year is a really good draft class. So if that's
the route that they want to go with McVeigh, they're
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going to have opportunity. But yeah, this whole draft that
kept trading down, and yeah, this is a team that
you know, one of those front offices I just trust
and everything they do. Like they hadn't had a first
round pick for years and they finally did get one.
You know, they had the best defensive player of the
season last year and first so yeah, this is a
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team that you know, I wouldn't bet them at this
point plus one sixty five. They were plus two hundred.
It's come down. I'll wait. This is a slow starting team.
We have the history on it. Every year they start
slow and then they figure out if this season is
a long So yeah, we just have to trust this team. Right,
it's McVeigh in this front office. I assume they nailed
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the draft, but if we look at these pieces on
the draft board, I got no.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Clue, right, I mean, it's a lot of sort of
It wasn't shiny, spectacular, explosive players. It was a lot
of continuing to build depth for the Rams. In all
the places where they like to build death. They're building
depth at tight end, they're building depth across the defensive line,
and look, they've been brilliant at it. We saw it
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last year. If they think, all right, we can get
through one year with Matthew Stafford and then next year,
if we've got two picks, we can package trade up
get one of the top quarterbacks coming out of the
draft that could put him in a really good position.
Totally agree with you. It's interesting to me. It makes
me feel better about the Giants loving Jackson Dart that
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Sean McVay like Jackson Dart so much. Arizona Cardinals plus
five point fifty to win the division. We talk about
guys dropping, We talked about trade or we talked about
Mike green Will Johnson, who they took in the second round,
the cornerback from Michigan. He dropped because of an injury.
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But people are loving this pick, talking about him having
all pro potential that you don't often get in the
second round. Are we more enthusiastic about the Arizona Cardinals
right now?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah? This mean is the best Valus division. If you're
looking just divisional odds, well, you know, you can get
a plus five to fifty plus six on you shop around.
To me, this draft, they needed to attack the defense.
Just say a couple of teams you've already talked about,
and they did, like first round pick de tackled then
like you said, will Johnson cornerback. Then they went edge,
and then they went and then they went d back
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Like this is how they should have drafted, right. That's
the weakness of this team is their defense, for sure.
So confidence in Kyler Murray every year it gets less
and less. Chad, I think you're in the same boat.
So this is a team where every year it feels
like it's a make or break career year for Kyler.
We all know he's got the talent, he's got the tools,
he's got the weapons offensively, no more excuses were over.
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I think everyone's kind of over. I think Arizona is
about a year or two away from being over it
as well. So I love what they did attack the defense.
You got a defensive minded head coach. He should not
have scout these players. So uh yeah, to me, best
value right now Arizona in this division.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Divisional odds Seattle six to one. They got Sam Darnold
they drafted Jalen Milroe. It can be interesting for a
couple of packages a game. They really focused on the
offensive line. That was the issue last year. We saw it.
They couldn't stop anybody from getting to Gino last year
and that ultimately became the achilles heel for the team.
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So the first thing they do they draft this guy,
grays Abel, who's the guard from North Dakota State who
Mel went crazy over. And it was a sort of
a non spectacular, non high profile names yet players who
if you look at draft experts, everybody loved what Seattle did.
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They loved they drafted high quality, high potential for need
on their team.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah. I love this kid, you know. I've saw a
couple of interviews with him. His personality as well, It's like,
this is the exact kind of guy one on my
offensive line. He's got that personality for it and just
an absolute dog. But that's not going to fix their
issues the companies coming season. That the more I look
at their team, I'm excited to see what their defense
is going to be like in year two. But their
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offensive line is terrible, and that's Sam Darnold's achille heels pressure,
especially up the middle so great that they took a guard,
a guy who think is gonna be a good player,
But they have a lot of holes to fix, and
I just don't think they did enough in this draft
to fix those holes on that offensive line.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Let's do the NFC South because we love Baker and
last year, at this time, I think we were thinking
the Bucks might be the worst team in the division.
Now they are the odds on favorite to win again.
They chose a Mecca a Buka, the wide receiver from
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Ohio State, which could just tell you something about how
they feel about Chris Godwin. They also chose a guy
that we talked about last week on the podcast with
Thorne Eystrom, who loved Benji Morrison, the cornerback from Notre Dame.
They drafted him in the second round. And you know,
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if you want to talk, maybe I'm getting soft. You
loved the prank call of Obrook's kid to Shador Sanders.
I love the complete, total, genuine, authentic emotional response that
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Ben Morrison had when he was got when he got
the call from the Bucks and was just full water works,
full tears, joy, relief, pride, happiness with his family. That
to me was like those homecoming videos that you get
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on TikTok where the soldiers come home and they're hugging
their kids and the kids see them and they freak out.
That to me, what that was. I could just watch
that all day. Go Bucks, Go Ben Morrison.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
And I would say just from the top, pretty interesting
that they open at plus one ten for this division,
like the fact that the books are giving them so
much more weight over Penix in Atlanta, which I think
is going to be the really Joe public team. So
that shows that early smart money's got to be Tampa, right,
That's that's professional money here making that number what it is.
And looking at this draft, like you just said, they
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had to attack that secondary. That was their biggest weakness
last year. I know they had horrible amount of injuries
and at the end of the day though, they just
had a talent weakness at that position. Even their starters
before they got hurt weren't great. So the fact that
you know they're going after their cornerbacks, they're going after
d line and like you said, start out the top
with a wide receiver because you know Godwin is coming
off a major injury. Love it all, Chad and it's
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just Tampa. Like we keep saying, it's incredible the organization
they are in this division where you know, as much
as we love shitting on this division, this is a
Tampa team that is an expansion team has won multiple
Super Bowls, and it's it's pretty incredible at this point
that Tom Brady, now, what is a year three since
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he's been gone, and they've won the division two years
in a row since he's left, so really really impressive,
And like Chad's basically saying, We're just gonna trust this
front office. They just keep making the right draft picks
and the right moves.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Uh, speaking of Atlanta not understanding their moves for the
second year in a row. Yeah, okay, Like they got
their their their edge rusher in the middle of the
first round, and then they trade a first round uder
the Rams, who basically fleeced them to get back into
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the first round and draft another EDG rusher who wasn't
even like the highest rated ED rusher left on the board.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, it's it's bizarre, especially where I love the Walker pick.
It felt like that was a oh great, you guys
are attacking the edge, you need the ends. Great, Now
I'll take another one in the second round. Maybe No,
they traded back and they take another DN, which is good.
I liked the idea for their team, but like you said,
it's really stupid value, especially where they have an unproven
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quarterback in Penix being their starting next tray. I mean,
they could shit the bed. This could be a top ten,
top fifteen pick. So who bizarre move rams like we said,
just the rich getting richer. Smart move by them. And yeah, overall,
this is a team that need to attack the defense.
Like we talked about, they used their first four picks
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attacking the defense. Their last pick, picked to eighteen, took
an old lineman. So yeah, this, like you said, plus
two to thirty plus two forty for them to win
this division. I'm not touching Atlanta. I just I don't
really trust this team, and I don't know how I
feel yet about Penix.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Is it truly in the year to say, all right,
we're going in on the Panthers at plus four to
thirty five because they basically they addressed every need. They
needed a receiver for Bryce Young, they needed edge rushers,
they did that. They needed help like along the defensive
line generally, they did that like they were great. They
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were totally great. Love the Panthers if we believed in
them at the end of the year. We have to
believe in them. At plus four thirty five.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, like you said, like, this is the team we're
gonna love. And you know the fact that they were
plus five hundred, got bet down at plus four to fifty.
Now they're down to plus four to twenty five. It
makes sense. I think most professionals are like us. But
they're just gonna look at the team that they have
so much potential. And like said, this draft, they attacked
all the needs we talked about, right, They needed edge help,
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some dns. They wouldn't got two of them. The first
round pick is gonna be interesting. Chad like this kid McMillan,
this fire receiver, like a couple of really bad clips
of them out there, him talking about he doesn't love football,
doesn't like like doing the extra work right, reading through
the playbook. I think what he came out and said afterwards,
he was just young and stupid and he was just
talking out of his ass. And I hope that's true,
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because shed all the time. It's easy to act like
you love this the great ones though they love it
and they put in the work and that's what you're
going to need, especially if you're going to be the
number one receiver of this team. So we're on the
same page. It's never to worry for us to show
our love on this Panthers and the fact that it's
still above plus four hundred. I love that value right
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on this Panthers team to win this division.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Look at Nick Saban, who I love had great comments
about this happens in every field. Just because you have
innate talent as a football player doesn't mean it translates
when you get to the higher levels. In the same
way you might have innate talent as a doctor. Doesn't
mean it's going to translate if you don't commit to
the process, if you don't do the work, if you're
not passionate about it, if you don't want to study
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on a regular basis. You can be the greatest doctor,
the greatest football player in the world. There's very few
people who can get away with not doing all the
stuff that it takes to elevate to the next level.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
And it can't be an outcome.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Orient the guy.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
If you're going to be productive, because you're going to
focus on what you need to do to get it right.
And I think a lot of times when guys have talent,
you just assume that they have that. Everybody's smart that
goes to medical school, but everybody doesn't make it through,
and some that make it through don't make good doctors.
So it's the same kind of thing with athletes. When
people are a process oriented and then they have a
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discipline to execute it, that's when you get a talented
player who becomes a great player.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
But like I always love the story about young guys
who come in they see the veteran quarterback and how
eye open is and you know, Mahomes tells a great
story by Alex Smith where he was just like I
knew how hard I had to work, but seeing the
fact that he was always the first one in, last
one out, like really, it does instill into you. It's
like you want to be the best. The guy who
was already much better than you was putting in that
extra hours. Like we talk the time, the Kobe story,
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Kobe going to the gym with the USA basketball team
at four or five in the morning. Lebron James couldn't
believe it. He goes, wait, you're practicing before our practice
and lifting, and that's when he realized, like that's what
it takes to be great. So yeah, it's it's really
interesting what did in this draft this Panthers team.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Saints went with Calvin Banks first pick, tackle from Texas.
We had a long conversation about them in the podcast
last week where his position was going to be. He
was starting to get all this love. People thought he
might go before Will Campbell, who went forth over all
the Patriots. He did not. But what got interesting was
everyone thought Shed Sanders to the Saints was the exact
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right spot, and then in the second round they draft that,
you know, eighty five year old quarterback from Louisville. So
clearly sand Sanders was never in there in the Saints
draft plans. There's seven to one right now to win
the NFC South.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, I was reading about that kid, Tyler. I think
he's like twenty sixth a quarterback they took from Louisville.
Uhrathley my age seriously though, very bizarre, very bizarre pick.
Like I had said before, I know that he has
a ton of talent. It's someone who can never stay
healthy and like you know, has never proven to be
what he just got to draft that. So, yeah, the Saints,
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I thought they had the worst draft in this division.
But I think it's also just, you know, part of
the deal with this Saints team. It's just they're going
to be doubted every step just because they've just been
a train wreck here this last five six years. So yeah,
don't much have to say about the Saints team. Would
not touch them at plus eight hundred plus seven to fifty.
Ton't win this division.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Best division in football, NFC North Detroit Lions best record
in football last year, number one seed, did it with
masking tape on their defensive side, on the defensive side
of the ball. So what do they do? First pick?
They draft a guy from Ohio State defensive tackle. Great move,
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but then they go offensive line, wide receiver, offensive line.
They don't go back to the defensive line in an
edge rusher until the sixth round of the draft. They're
clearly smarter than we are. They are the odds on
favorite to win the division plus one thirty. At that
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three sixty five, I'm not betting the Lions to win
this division.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
No, you know, we might overrate it a little bit
on this show how important coaching is, but there is
some truth to our madness and the fact they lost
such important key figures to this team from the defensive
side and the offensive side of the coaching position, we
have to hold it accountable. And you know, we talked
about this division. The worst odds are now are Chad's
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Bears a plus four to fifty, which is how crazy.
That's how close this division is right.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Now, and we're betting the Bears.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Like you said, though, it's the best division of football.
So I want to take a position on Detroit. I
don't think this is the spot to take it, especially divisionally.
It's not a good number. And like you said, I'm
going to trust the front office. I like that they
attacked just the D line. The D line first pick. Great,
Now give me a couple offense alignment, right, keep building
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on what that makes you guys so great? Which is
that offensive line. That's that's what it's all about. And
you know the whispers we hear about them moving on
from the wide receiver Williams, we don't know how true
it is, but they did take a wide receiver at
pick seventy. That's a big deal. So ye, you're right, like,
this is not a team we're gonna take a plus
one thirty. But I'm excited to see what they're gonna
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be like without Ben Johnson. Like this is just a
team that oozes a crazy amount of talent. Can they
stop being cursed? Put it all together? Remains to be seen.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Packers plus two seventy five. Jordan Love coming back for
a full season healthy, and I do like what they
did here. After years of neglecting the receiver room generally
and trying to patch together with with lower rated players,
they went out and got a burner in Matthew Golden,
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who had dropped a little bit. A lot of people
thought he might be the number one receiving prospect, and
they got him at twenty three. That's a weapon for
Jordan Love. I love this play. Still not the team
I would bet to win the division.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, I don't hate the number. I wish it was
plus three hundred plus two seventy five. It feels like
we missed the best of the number for this division.
You know, love the golden pick. Green Bay fans bitching
and moaning about them never taking talented receivers. You guys
drafted DeVante Adams. What the fuck you're talking about, Jordan Nelson?
You drafted him as well. It's like you guys have
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had some great draft picks. Your front office is just
smart taking them in the second third round. And you know,
Golden here, you definitely slipped right. This is the guy
that lot of yeah for sure to be a top ten,
top fifteen pick and maybe the first receiver off the board. Yes,
Speedster excited to see what the floor does with him
in different packages. You know, this is a team that
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went receiver, offensive tackle, receiver. I love that start right,
they're basically saying that and love. Okay, We'll we failed
you a little bit here. We've not gotten you the
weapons wide receiverally that we should have in these last
two three years. We're going to attack that position in
this draft. And you know, obviously they need Golden to
hit right. In this division, the difference between the number
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one team and the last place team is so small.
It's gonna be guys like this, this type of pick
that could change his division. So if Golden hits, he's
a Tyreek Hill type, you know, a sweetzer that can
stretch the field and open up the run game for
Josh Jacobs. It's our home run of a draft pick.
So yeah, I get why Green Bays fans are so excited.
How can you not be taking this kid with a
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great name as well, Golden, I love it at pick twenty.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Three Minnesota Vikings plus four hundred Minnesota Vikings. Look, it's
basically JJ McCarthy was their number one pick because he'll
be starting this year. So they did the right things.
They drafted a guard from Ohio State, Donovan Jackson, to
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help protect him. They drafted a wide receiver from Maryland
Future School for my younger son, Owen Millman, who has
decided to commit to Maryland. Uh, we're super excited about that.
Go Turps. Yeah, they did the things they need to
do in the first couple of rounds to give JJ
McCarthy a little bit more support. You're always gonna trust
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their coach. I like the value at Minnesota at this number.
Don't like it as much as the Bears though, No.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I wouldn't touch it. It's too much unknown with j J.
I'm excited. Obviously they got high hopes. This kid's a winner,
but like we talked about him coming out, just never
had enough reps, never never had enough reps in college
of passing the ball, really having the offense on his back,
so a ton of unknown you know, Koc, How can
you not trust this guy? He made Sam Darnold and
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do one hundred million dollar quarterback and do a playoff
caliber quarterback. So yeah, to me, worst drafting division just
because they had no fucking picks. Man, They've had to
pick twenty four take a guard. Great, Now they don't
pick till one oh two like that. That's really tough.
So yeah, they mortgage the future. They got the quarterback
from last year. Like you said, it's they're not They
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don't care if they win this year. This is all
about setting up for the next two to three to
four years. So that from my standpoint, I'm with you.
I liked they went guard receiver. Nice way to start it.
But yeah, this this to me was enoughing draft from Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Chicago Bears plus four point fifty. There it is there,
it is there. It look they sucker us every year.
They truly do. They do, they really do. And so
you know, credit to Ryan Poles and the front office
who win the off season so consistently that we cannot
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help ourselves but pull the trigger.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Well, we were negative last year, Smartley, We were all
over the tread divisionally, and we were on the Bears
under win.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Total, so that's true.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
We're back on this year, though.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
We're so back on. I love the Loveland pick, you know,
I'm raft. I'm all in him being Sam Laporta part
two for Ben Johnson Luther Burden, who going into the season,
like a lot of people thought he might be the
best receiver in the draft. So the fact that he
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dropped to the second round for the Bears and they
got him, and then they drafted an offensive lineman, a
six eight dude from Boston College Ye who will help
solidify the offensive line. That was a real issue obviously
for Caleb because he was sacked many times last year,
partially his fault he should let the ball go sooner.
We're gonna work on that, but they need defensive line help,
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and they kind of ignored it and just said, we
need to do everything we can to maximize the opportunity
for Caleb Williams to be successful. Recognizing how important and
how good the other quarterbacks are in their division and
in their conference, they need him to be great week one.
This is the best opportunity to do that. So I'm
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all in. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
They also made a deal to Devil and Ben Johnson.
They gave him a ton of money and you can
see in this draft that they let his imprint be
known on this team. And I love the pick with Loveland.
You know, I really thought they couldn't go wrong him
or Warrener, you know, the kid out of Penn State,
both great tight ends. Loveland's a freak. This kid could
be Gronk or like you said, Sam Laporta, that's that's
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the ceiling, you know the fact that they get this
kid out of Missoo and the next round and where
it's like, like Chad said, he's projected to be your
first round of Steve Smith loves this kid, like can't
stop raving about him. And then you know it's not
the sexiest pick, but I like this kid Turner you
got as an edge. I think he has some really
high upside. So overall, like to me, the Bears their
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first fourth picks really knocked it out of the park.
And yeah, I just I have so much faith in
Ben Johnson. If I don't really trust your your general
manager totally, I really do trust Ben Johnson and his
vision for building this team how he wants to. And
you can immediately see his imprint on this team right
from this get go with this draft.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
I'm glad we're in agreement. I want to be like
having to push you into the Bears.
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