June 22, 2025 • 11 mins
Wade reacts to the BREAKING NEWS, Jon Jones has officially DUCKED Tom Aspinall and retired from the UFC.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, ladies and gentlemen, it just happened. Breaking news.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
John Jones has retired from the UFC. This is just
moments after UFC Baku, a card that was pretty interesting,
had some good scraps, and in the main event, I
was once again Wade cursed completely wrong about Jamal Hill
doing anything to change what's got him into trouble in
his last couple of fights, and instead Khalil Rountree, being
(00:25):
the samurai that he is in his custom UFC shorts,
getting the victory a piece and up Jamal And that's
something I probably should have made a dedicated video about
on this channel. But right now we have more pressing
matters no offense to either of those fighters. John Jones
has now been confirmed to have retired from Dana White
himself in the post fight press conference of UFC Baku.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
This is massive news for the UFC.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It's massive news going forward, and I don't hate to
say it, actually I actually love to say it.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Everybody on MMA YouTube was right.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Everybody that said that John Jones was never gonna fight
Tom Aspitall was right. Everyone that said that John Jones
was dunking Tom aspinall was right. And it just got
confirmed the breakdown.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Let's go. John Jones called us last night and retired.
John Jones was officially retired. Tom Aspinall is the heavyweight
Champion of the UFC. Bag all right, Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Tom Asmenall is finally what in my opinion, he always
was when he won the belt and defended the interim belt.
He is now the undisputed heavyweight champion of the UFC.
And yes, this is bittersweet, because I think everybody wanted
to see John Jones fight Tom Asmanall for whatever reasons
you had. If you thought that John was over the hill,
if you thought Tom deserved that right to win the
(01:36):
belt from the man that had it before him, all
of that is valid, and I think that it should
have happened that way. But we don't live in a
perfect world, and certainly in the UFC not a perfect company.
But I guess they tried to exhaust every option with John,
I don't know, trying to give him the benefit.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Of the doubt.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
But this is long past overdue. But finally, the rock voice,
finally we get the desired result, even though again it's
not the way anyone wanted it. It just needed to happen.
They had waited for John to make a decision. Apparently
from Ariel Hawaanee. They had offered John a ton of
money and he still turned that down. And it was
(02:13):
just one of these things where they were not going
to make a deal. That's what I assume happened here.
They just could not get John to say yes. And
as you were data to say there, John called him
and retired last night. And it is a little bit
of an odd situation because we did see John Jones
just on the Milk Boys podcast and having his happy
Dads and as soon as he was asked a question
(02:34):
are for the course about Tom aspinall, he dip said
it out of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Didn't want any part of it.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But I think it's also unfortunate that the UFC did
not step out and make this decision. They had to
have John Jones come to them and offer the belt up.
That to me is bizarre and again it shows me
that the UFC was not inclined to strip John, that
they weren't going to unless he gave up the belt.
And why did was that what it took? Why was
(03:00):
it John giving the belt up to the UFC. Again,
the company that owns the product, that owns the belt
for them to say this is not going to work.
We are killing our own heavyweight division in lieu of
potentially hopefully getting John to come back, however long that takes,
however long we have to put tom Aspinall on the shelf,
however long we have to have him in an interim
(03:21):
spot defending an interim belt while the heavyweight champion is
healthy and just doesn't want to fight. And again, some
people will say, well, he never beat John Jones for it,
but that's not his fault. I mean, Tom Aspenal did
everything he could to fight John Jones. Look at this
however you want, but the point remains John can still
be one of, if not the greatest, to have ever
fought in MMA. But he ducked Tom Aspital and it's
(03:45):
clear now, and there's no way to really excuse it.
I mean, yeah, you can say John didn't feel like
Tom was valued enough to fight him, but he still
ducked tom Aspinall. He still didn't want any part of
the tom Aspinall fight. And I even hesitated for a
long time to say, oh, John's not scared, none of that,
And John's probably not petrified, but he is understanding of
(04:08):
one thing that Tom Aspinall throws a wrench into the goat.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Talks if he fights him.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Because tom Aspinall presents more of a danger to John
Jones than he Baby Jochich did. And that is the
only reason John Jones retired. Because Tom Aspinall was too
dangerous to fight, point blank, period.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
That was it. He was too dangerous for John to
take the risk. And that's a duck. Folks.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Whether you want to believe that or not, or whether
you want to consider John the greatest of all time
or one of the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Doesn't really matter, because I do.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I think John is the greatest fighter I have ever
seen in my own two eyes. But he ducked tom Aspinall,
and I'll give you the reasons for it. Number One,
you can't convince me that John didn't have the motivation
to fight, because a couple of days ago on Twitter
he was calling out Francis and Ganu because Francis was
rumored to come back. Number Two, John he got all
(05:00):
the money he wanted out of this, or at least
he was supposed to found a way to convince the
UFC to give him the number he was asking for
and he still said no. That tells you all you
need to know about what John thought about this fight.
He wanted no part of it, point blank, period. And
you can't get around that fact. That'll stick on his
legacy right not fighting Tom and not doing the same
(05:23):
thing other fighters in the past have done when the
newest young challenger comes up to fight them for their belt,
and not saying John ever had to do that. But
he also had his cake and ate it too, because
he didn't fight Tom and also held onto the belt
for as long as.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
And almost became the longest rating heavyweight champion in UFC
history without fighting more than twice. Again. It is surreal
because we are seeing.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
One of the greatest ever, if not the greatest ever,
retire in a moment's notice.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Here today, gone tomorrow. No a big announcement, no press conference,
just done. While that's staying on.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
His legacy will come from the Tom aspinall fight and
potentially even you know, the Francis and Guan who fight
when Francis was a part of the UFC that never happened.
He does have fourteen years of being elite. He's fourteen
fifteen sixteen title fights, twelve title defenses. John beat the
best of the era before him, the best of the
(06:20):
era he was in, and the next era that came through.
Beat the generation before him, essentially the veterans and the
top level of the generation that had already solidified themselves
as he was coming into MMA. Then he beat his
generation of fighters, you know, the Mauricio Showgun who was,
and the Reshott Evans and Rampages and all those guys.
(06:43):
And then he beat his era of fighters right the DC,
the gust of sins, He tore Belfour's, Heleoto Machidah's, and
he beat the next generation. However you feel about the
Dominic Reis fight, which I think was a fight he
probably should have lost Anthony Smith.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I know that's not a great win on paper.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Now beat Thiago Santos, beat that next generation, then moved
to heavyweight, beat the.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Number one guy there at the time.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I know Francis wasn't there, and John probably should have
fought Francis. That's another stain that will always say, damn,
wish we would have got that fight, And again I
think we did it because of John Jones. But then
he goes and beats Serril Gon fairly easily beats Steve A.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Miocic, which was way over the hill.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I understand that wasn't a steep a that was considered
one of the greatest heavyweights ever, but still beat him
fairly easily. And John has racked up two belts in
two different divisions, still think he's one of the greatest
to ever do it. So, yeah, it's a bummer that
we didn't get that final punctuation mark on John's career, Like, yeah,
him going out on top and really leaving no doubt
(07:46):
that he's the greatest ever. If he would have beat
Tom aspinall there women no doubt, there would have been
nobody in this comment section telling me I'm an idiot
because I'd said John Jones is the greatest, And I
think that is a part of the reason that he
won't be looked at that way is because we didn't
get that final point, whether it was good or bad,
we didn't get that go out on your shield warrior
(08:07):
style of ending for John Jones' career. And that's not
necessarily a problem, but it kind of is. When you
drag out an entire division for a year plus just
for the UFC to be at your beck and call,
and then eventually you do the thing that John Jones
of course does in this situation and control the narrative
(08:28):
and control how this whole thing goes by saying, well,
I just I don't want to fight for the belt.
Tom is not worth me fighting him, So here go
have the belt. And I'm sure you're going to see
John Jones on Twitter saying in the next couple of
weeks or months he can have the belt, but he
never wanted off me.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
That kind of mentality, I'm sure is coming down the line, and.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, that's just what I see happen in John trolling
on Twitter for the next couple of months. But this
is a massive moment. John Jones was a massive part
of MMA for the last fifteen years. And whether you
want to believe this or not, and I'm glad that
John's given the belt up. I'm glad if he's gonna
ride off into the sunset that he's not taking the.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Belt with him.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Whether you want to believe this or not, he is
one of the last major names in the sport.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Right at least on American soil.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And that may be a problem for the UFC because
we've all talked about how they are having trouble creating stars,
having trouble finding that next big superstar to come out
of the octagon, and maybe it'll be Iliotuporia, or maybe
it'll be Islam Makachev, and maybe it'll be somebody else,
Patty the Badie, Tom Aspinall. Who knows, But we do
(09:35):
know that John, even though he wasn't a massive pay per.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
View draw, he was a star.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And again he was the greatest in my opinion, or
one of the greatest that's ever been in the octagon.
So whatever you think about him, whether you like him
or not as a fighter, whether you like him or
not as a person, all that aside, this will be
a massive hit for the heavyweight division that John is
not fighting Tom Aspinall.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
But again it's bittersweet.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Because at least if you're going to take that hit,
John is given the belt up and not just squatting,
and Tom Aspinall as the rightful champion now and the
rest of the division can move on, and maybe Tom
becomes a big superstar and John says, you know what,
it's time to come back, But I doubt that happens
if he's not going to fight him now. I don't
see why John would take another year off or another
(10:17):
two years off, then come back and try to fight him.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Again, but who knows.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Breaking news, though I wanted to get this to you
guys as soon as it happened.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Just now drop.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
John Jones is retiring from the sport of MMA and
from the UFC. It's massive news, whether you like it
or not. One of the greatest of all time is done.
What do you guys think in the comments below about
John retiring, Tom Aspinall becoming the new heavyweight champion undisputed
we know down below and what happens next for the UFC,
Tom Aspinall John Jones don't have those answers, but I
(10:47):
guess we'll find it. Hey.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
We mean, if you're right with me, Yuga Slide. We mean,
if you feel like five fifty and a fast stick,
he canna get high. We mean, that's a deal, right.
We mean, if you're right with Yuga Slide, we mean
if you feel like fIF
Well, ladies and gentlemen, it just happened. Breaking news.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
John Jones has retired from the UFC. This is just
moments after UFC Baku, a card that was pretty interesting,
had some good scraps, and in the main event, I
was once again Wade cursed completely wrong about Jamal Hill
doing anything to change what's got him into trouble in
his last couple of fights, and instead Khalil Rountree, being
(00:25):
the samurai that he is in his custom UFC shorts,
getting the victory a piece and up Jamal And that's
something I probably should have made a dedicated video about
on this channel. But right now we have more pressing
matters no offense to either of those fighters. John Jones
has now been confirmed to have retired from Dana White
himself in the post fight press conference of UFC Baku.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
This is massive news for the UFC.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It's massive news going forward, and I don't hate to
say it, actually I actually love to say it.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Everybody on MMA YouTube was right.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Everybody that said that John Jones was never gonna fight
Tom Aspitall was right. Everyone that said that John Jones
was dunking Tom aspinall was right. And it just got
confirmed the breakdown.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Let's go. John Jones called us last night and retired.
John Jones was officially retired. Tom Aspinall is the heavyweight
Champion of the UFC. Bag all right, Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Tom Asmenall is finally what in my opinion, he always
was when he won the belt and defended the interim belt.
He is now the undisputed heavyweight champion of the UFC.
And yes, this is bittersweet, because I think everybody wanted
to see John Jones fight Tom Asmanall for whatever reasons
you had. If you thought that John was over the hill,
if you thought Tom deserved that right to win the
(01:36):
belt from the man that had it before him, all
of that is valid, and I think that it should
have happened that way. But we don't live in a
perfect world, and certainly in the UFC not a perfect company.
But I guess they tried to exhaust every option with John,
I don't know, trying to give him the benefit.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Of the doubt.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
But this is long past overdue. But finally, the rock voice,
finally we get the desired result, even though again it's
not the way anyone wanted it. It just needed to happen.
They had waited for John to make a decision. Apparently
from Ariel Hawaanee. They had offered John a ton of
money and he still turned that down. And it was
(02:13):
just one of these things where they were not going
to make a deal. That's what I assume happened here.
They just could not get John to say yes. And
as you were data to say there, John called him
and retired last night. And it is a little bit
of an odd situation because we did see John Jones
just on the Milk Boys podcast and having his happy
Dads and as soon as he was asked a question
(02:34):
are for the course about Tom aspinall, he dip said
it out of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Didn't want any part of it.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But I think it's also unfortunate that the UFC did
not step out and make this decision. They had to
have John Jones come to them and offer the belt up.
That to me is bizarre and again it shows me
that the UFC was not inclined to strip John, that
they weren't going to unless he gave up the belt.
And why did was that what it took? Why was
(03:00):
it John giving the belt up to the UFC. Again,
the company that owns the product, that owns the belt
for them to say this is not going to work.
We are killing our own heavyweight division in lieu of
potentially hopefully getting John to come back, however long that takes,
however long we have to put tom Aspinall on the shelf,
however long we have to have him in an interim
(03:21):
spot defending an interim belt while the heavyweight champion is
healthy and just doesn't want to fight. And again, some
people will say, well, he never beat John Jones for it,
but that's not his fault. I mean, Tom Aspenal did
everything he could to fight John Jones. Look at this
however you want, but the point remains John can still
be one of, if not the greatest, to have ever
fought in MMA. But he ducked Tom Aspital and it's
(03:45):
clear now, and there's no way to really excuse it.
I mean, yeah, you can say John didn't feel like
Tom was valued enough to fight him, but he still
ducked tom Aspinall. He still didn't want any part of
the tom Aspinall fight. And I even hesitated for a
long time to say, oh, John's not scared, none of that,
And John's probably not petrified, but he is understanding of
(04:08):
one thing that Tom Aspinall throws a wrench into the goat.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Talks if he fights him.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Because tom Aspinall presents more of a danger to John
Jones than he Baby Jochich did. And that is the
only reason John Jones retired. Because Tom Aspinall was too
dangerous to fight, point blank, period.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
That was it. He was too dangerous for John to
take the risk. And that's a duck. Folks.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Whether you want to believe that or not, or whether
you want to consider John the greatest of all time
or one of the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Doesn't really matter, because I do.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I think John is the greatest fighter I have ever
seen in my own two eyes. But he ducked tom Aspinall,
and I'll give you the reasons for it. Number One,
you can't convince me that John didn't have the motivation
to fight, because a couple of days ago on Twitter
he was calling out Francis and Ganu because Francis was
rumored to come back. Number Two, John he got all
(05:00):
the money he wanted out of this, or at least
he was supposed to found a way to convince the
UFC to give him the number he was asking for
and he still said no. That tells you all you
need to know about what John thought about this fight.
He wanted no part of it, point blank, period. And
you can't get around that fact. That'll stick on his
legacy right not fighting Tom and not doing the same
(05:23):
thing other fighters in the past have done when the
newest young challenger comes up to fight them for their belt,
and not saying John ever had to do that. But
he also had his cake and ate it too, because
he didn't fight Tom and also held onto the belt
for as long as.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
And almost became the longest rating heavyweight champion in UFC
history without fighting more than twice. Again. It is surreal
because we are seeing.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
One of the greatest ever, if not the greatest ever,
retire in a moment's notice.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Here today, gone tomorrow. No a big announcement, no press conference,
just done. While that's staying on.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
His legacy will come from the Tom aspinall fight and
potentially even you know, the Francis and Guan who fight
when Francis was a part of the UFC that never happened.
He does have fourteen years of being elite. He's fourteen
fifteen sixteen title fights, twelve title defenses. John beat the
best of the era before him, the best of the
(06:20):
era he was in, and the next era that came through.
Beat the generation before him, essentially the veterans and the
top level of the generation that had already solidified themselves
as he was coming into MMA. Then he beat his
generation of fighters, you know, the Mauricio Showgun who was,
and the Reshott Evans and Rampages and all those guys.
(06:43):
And then he beat his era of fighters right the DC,
the gust of sins, He tore Belfour's, Heleoto Machidah's, and
he beat the next generation. However you feel about the
Dominic Reis fight, which I think was a fight he
probably should have lost Anthony Smith.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I know that's not a great win on paper.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Now beat Thiago Santos, beat that next generation, then moved
to heavyweight, beat the.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Number one guy there at the time.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I know Francis wasn't there, and John probably should have
fought Francis. That's another stain that will always say, damn,
wish we would have got that fight, And again I
think we did it because of John Jones. But then
he goes and beats Serril Gon fairly easily beats Steve A.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Miocic, which was way over the hill.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I understand that wasn't a steep a that was considered
one of the greatest heavyweights ever, but still beat him
fairly easily. And John has racked up two belts in
two different divisions, still think he's one of the greatest
to ever do it. So, yeah, it's a bummer that
we didn't get that final punctuation mark on John's career, Like, yeah,
him going out on top and really leaving no doubt
(07:46):
that he's the greatest ever. If he would have beat
Tom aspinall there women no doubt, there would have been
nobody in this comment section telling me I'm an idiot
because I'd said John Jones is the greatest, And I
think that is a part of the reason that he
won't be looked at that way is because we didn't
get that final point, whether it was good or bad,
we didn't get that go out on your shield warrior
(08:07):
style of ending for John Jones' career. And that's not
necessarily a problem, but it kind of is. When you
drag out an entire division for a year plus just
for the UFC to be at your beck and call,
and then eventually you do the thing that John Jones
of course does in this situation and control the narrative
(08:28):
and control how this whole thing goes by saying, well,
I just I don't want to fight for the belt.
Tom is not worth me fighting him, So here go
have the belt. And I'm sure you're going to see
John Jones on Twitter saying in the next couple of
weeks or months he can have the belt, but he
never wanted off me.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
That kind of mentality, I'm sure is coming down the line, and.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, that's just what I see happen in John trolling
on Twitter for the next couple of months. But this
is a massive moment. John Jones was a massive part
of MMA for the last fifteen years. And whether you
want to believe this or not, and I'm glad that
John's given the belt up. I'm glad if he's gonna
ride off into the sunset that he's not taking the.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Belt with him.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Whether you want to believe this or not, he is
one of the last major names in the sport.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Right at least on American soil.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And that may be a problem for the UFC because
we've all talked about how they are having trouble creating stars,
having trouble finding that next big superstar to come out
of the octagon, and maybe it'll be Iliotuporia, or maybe
it'll be Islam Makachev, and maybe it'll be somebody else,
Patty the Badie, Tom Aspinall. Who knows, But we do
(09:35):
know that John, even though he wasn't a massive pay per.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
View draw, he was a star.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And again he was the greatest in my opinion, or
one of the greatest that's ever been in the octagon.
So whatever you think about him, whether you like him
or not as a fighter, whether you like him or
not as a person, all that aside, this will be
a massive hit for the heavyweight division that John is
not fighting Tom Aspinall.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
But again it's bittersweet.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Because at least if you're going to take that hit,
John is given the belt up and not just squatting,
and Tom Aspinall as the rightful champion now and the
rest of the division can move on, and maybe Tom
becomes a big superstar and John says, you know what,
it's time to come back, But I doubt that happens
if he's not going to fight him now. I don't
see why John would take another year off or another
(10:17):
two years off, then come back and try to fight him.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Again, but who knows.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Breaking news, though I wanted to get this to you
guys as soon as it happened.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Just now drop.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
John Jones is retiring from the sport of MMA and
from the UFC. It's massive news, whether you like it
or not. One of the greatest of all time is done.
What do you guys think in the comments below about
John retiring, Tom Aspinall becoming the new heavyweight champion undisputed
we know down below and what happens next for the UFC,
Tom Aspinall John Jones don't have those answers, but I
(10:47):
guess we'll find it. Hey.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
We mean, if you're right with me, Yuga Slide. We mean,
if you feel like five fifty and a fast stick,
he canna get high. We mean, that's a deal, right.
We mean, if you're right with Yuga Slide, we mean
if you feel like fIF
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