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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Folks, we are Back on the Way concept presented by
The Ring Magazine. I'm about to get on a plane.
My suitcase is right there, it is packed up. I'm
going to Dubai because this Saturday we have Andrew Chase
to More. But this Friday we have Jake Paul and
Anthony Joshua. It's a back to back extravaganza. I am
going to be live on this Channel four to Jake
(00:22):
Paul versus Anthony Joshua. Watch party. Do not miss it.
It's going to be absolutely insane. But today we got
the face to face and I never thought I'd say
that Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua's face to face would
be happening, but it is. I've heard some things about
this face to face that bring out a stone cold
message from AJ. No more games, no more playing around.
(00:43):
We're gonna get into why. I think that's a great
thing for AJ, not to play Jake Paul's games, not
to feed into the little jokes and the little stuff
that Jake does to try to get in your head
to try to soften you up during fight week. So
let's take a look to face to face. Just drop.
Let's break it down let's get into the face to face.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Small on gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
It's popping.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
How you doing you all right, yes, sir, good to
see everybody.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Now, look, according to Fandel, you're coming into this fight
as the underdog.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, you know that's to be a you know, assumed right.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
This is an Olympic gold medalist over here, two time
heavyweight champion of the world.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
But I've been an underdog my whole life.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Man, I've had to fight for everything that I've gotten
ere in my position all the time, and I've honestly
had some of my best performances coming in as an underdog.
And I don't really look at the betting lines and
all who's this favorite, Who's that, because to me, none
of that matters. I know what I'm capable of and
the work that I've put in.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
The fact that Jake is only a plus seven hundred
underdog is kind of crazy to me. Like, I know
that people don't look at Anthony Joshua the same way
they looked at him a couple of years ago, and
he's not the current heavyweight champion of the world. But
Jake's not even a heavyweight. Jake shouldn't really be a
ranked cruiser weight in terms of who he's fought and
their ranking to be able to be a top fifteen guy.
He was, you know, essentially given a top fifteen rank
(02:04):
after the Julioseser job as junior fight. But he should
be more of an underdog. That's a two time heavyweight champ.
I mean, we've all talked about it, but the plus
seven hundred is crazy. Yah, Jake should be like plus
fifteen plus two thousand, no joke. But also when Jake
says this stuff about you know, it's not surprising he's
an underdog, and you know he's been an underdog his
whole life, and he's had other performances where he's an underdog.
Those things are not the same. And I'm sure he
(02:25):
knows this, But like being an underdog your whole life,
having underdog performances against guys like Tyron Woodley and maybe
even been asking where he was an underdog in that fight,
those weren't the same as Anthony fucking Joshua, Like he's
rightfully an underdog in this fight and those fights he
should not have been the underdog. Jake was better than
those guys. This is completely different.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I'm assuming you never had to make weight, never had
to make weight, never. So I've seen when they said
that you came and you're training hard, actually seen you
say it that you're faster, is stronger, and why didn't
you do this way before? Do you feel better coming
in at two forty five?
Speaker 6 (03:00):
I do. I feel great. I'm blessed.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
I feel happy that this toss was put upon me
because I wouldn't have pushed myself to get to a
certain weight. I would have just been doing what I
do usually. And I feel really good, so I think
it was a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Yeah, No, I don't agree with the decision or on
his behalf. You know, like he's taken away his best
thing against me, which is his power. And we've seen
him when he's a little bit lighter and there's just
not as much stump on the punches, and I think
that's probably the best thing he could have had, is
that extra oomph in those punches. But it's his game plan,
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whatever he wants. But to me, the weight doesn't matter.
That the weight's not going to make a difference. It's
gonna be the skills that win this fight. And I
believe my skills are better than his which is a
crazy thing to say, but he's a very basic fighter,
and he's gotten to where he's at because of the
size and because of the power. So the skills are
what's gonna win this fight, and he's seen that with
Usik when he fought him, and so I believe it's
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gonna be very similar to that.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So first off, AJ says he feels better at two
forty five. I think this was a miscalculation from jakesd
I think that their best chance was having AJ be
a bit more stagnant and not being able to move
as fluidly in as well, so that Jake could be
a bit faster, so that he could be a bit
more elusive, and that AJ would have a harder time
tracking him. Not to say that, you know, at a
certain point he wouldn't get him, but that would be
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the idea. The bigger way, bigger way slower AJ at
like two sixty or whatever, two fifty five plus. What
Jake is saying, though, doesn't make any sense to me
when he's like, oh, I think it was a miscalculation
for them to agree, I assume is what he means
for AJ to get to two forty five, so that
he's lighter all that. That's a that's a I think
it was a miscalculation that that's a disadvantage to AJ's
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power somehow. AJ's not stripping away muscle to get to
forty five. He's just not as bulky heavy as he
normally would be in aj Is fought it this way
before in the Usik fights, as Jake pointed out, and
this is not something that took away from AJ's power.
The reason he didn't be Usick wasn't because he didn't
have power. Usick was just better, point blank, period. He's
the best in the world. Jake is not Usick. Jake
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can take bits and pieces of Alexander Usick, but he's
not that. And AJ's power will still be devastating at
two forty five, just like it would be at two
fifty five or sixty. Him taking that ten pounds away
to And by the way, it wasn't like he did
a cut to try to make the weight. He is
that weight right now, a lighter version, a more speedy,
compact version of AJ. He's still gonna hit like a
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mack truck. He didn't just lose all that muscle and
all that ability to turn punches over, that's still gonna
be there. And if Jake thinks that AJ needs to
be to sixty four AJ to knock him out, that's
also fucking crazy. Now Jake says something even more insane
to me than the fact that oh Aj made a
miscalculation getting to forty five. He says that his skills
are better than AJ's, and I just don't know where
the evidence of that is. Like, I understand Jake is
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confident himself, but point to me a fight where Jake
showed better skill. I don't see it. And again, Jake
is always telling us how he never gets to show
the skills. He never gets to show the skills. He
just went through a full fight with Julio Chavez Junior,
and nothing in that fight made me go, wow, he's
more skillful than Anthony Joshua. Even when you go back
and look at the Anthony Joshua and Alexander Usik to fight.
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AJ showed more skill in that fight than he had
in a loss. I understand that, But then he had
in a lot of his other heavyweight fights that showed evolution,
that showed him dedicated to the sweet science. So again
Jake's talking out of his ass here, at least from
what we've seen. If he's gotten into camp and after
the Mike Tyson fighting, after the Chavez Junior fight, and
he's turned into a different beast, then we'll see that.
But nothing in his previous repertoire of fights shows me
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that he's better skill for skill than Anthony Joshua. Not
even better, you know, size whatever, but skill for skill.
I haven't seen anything that's much different than agent. He
calls Aja basic fighter. I haven't seen Jake do anything
but the basics, like catch counters, combination punches at times,
but he still sticks with the basis and he gets
by on his power and his size. It's almost like
Jake is saying the things that people say about him.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Well, it sounds like he's happy that you're coming in
two forty five. I also was going to bring that up,
but we'll talk about it now. That you said you
didn't believe he had a bunch of skills, and that
you would kick his ass, and that this was a
fight that you basically wanted, not recently. You've been saying
it for a minute. What about his skills tells you
that you're a better skill fighter than him?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Good question Cam.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, he's just fucking little bit. Gold medalist though.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Yeah, no, one hundred percent. Yeah, he's been doing it
for a long time and he's great. And if you
get caught with that one punch or you know, obviously
there's he has a lot of power punches. If you
get caught, of course, you know he's he's gonna defeat you.
But I don't believe he can land those punches. And
he lands him on the bigger, slower guys who are
sitting right in front of him. Everyone's like, did you
(07:39):
see Francis and Ghana? What he did to Francis and Ghana.
It's like the guy's feet stuck in mud. He's just
sitting there, didn't do anything and just got fucking nailed
with a big as shot. So yeah, if I get
hit with that shot, I'm screwed.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
But I don't believe he's gonna hit me with those shots.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It's in theory a good idea to do what Jake
is saying, but in practice it's completely different than what
Jake thinks. Like again, it's only eight rounds, so I
don't think that Jake is going to completely gas but
him being on his feet and moving versus a guy
like Nate Diaz or a guy like Tommy Fury, who
both did pressure him and did you know, and even
(08:16):
Anderson Silva pressured him and made him, you know, get
on his bike a little bit. That's different than the
pressure and the weight and the size of Anthony Joshua
bearing down on you for eight rounds, because Joshua's gonna
take forward steps the entire fight. He's gonna pressure. What
he is is what he's done to Usik. And if
you did want to make a comparison there, like, yeah,
obviously what Aj did de Francis is not going to
be the same here because Francis wanted to engage in
that back and forth. Francis is also a big time
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power puncher, just didn't have the skills to keep up.
But you look at what Aj did and it was
a very timid fight, I will say, in the Ruiz
second fight, but he won that fight exclusively with his jab.
If AJ wants to win this fight with his jab,
he could. Jake is banking on the fact that AJ's
going to be that pressure fighter and that Jake can
stay on the outside, pick him apart and then try
to look for a big one. But again, Jake is
acting as though AJ just has a right hand or
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just has a left hook and can't it up and
can't move his own feet. What we all have to
realize is what Jake is trying to compare himself to,
or at least draw comparison with, and his skills are
not the reality of his skills, at least not that
we've seen. So even if Jake is right about what
you can do to mitigate what AJ does, well, I
don't think that he's right that he's the one that
can do that. There's been one guy that's able to
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do what he wants to do to AJ, and that's
Alexander Usak.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
We're go handle with that shit one and a lot
more because this is the thing.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yes, I'm supposed to come into this fight, according to
the boxing world, and knock him out. A lot of
people are saying, even if he goes to distance, that's not.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
A win for you.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
I understand where they're coming from.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Right, So do you think that you have to knock
him out early to prove the people this is what
I do and this is what he doesn't do to
a degree?
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Yeah, right, If if I'm going to as a shot
straight to the point one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
I agree with what the people are saying.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
I have to go in there, stumb pull over and
flick plane and lating that right behind now he says
is mony weapon.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
God Again. I like this from AJ. It is concise,
it is definitive, it is direct. He's not dancing around
this idea that we all know is the truth that
AJ cannot go eight rounds with Jake Paul and boxing
really survive that, right, If Jake goes eight rounds with AJ,
it's an indictment on AJ as a fighter, and it's
(10:24):
an indictment on boxing that this kid, this Disney kid,
came in, learned the sport, trained it like professionals do,
and became a good enough professional to go the distance
with a two time heavyweight champion of the world and
one of the better heavyweights in this era. And Jake
isn't a heavyweight. That can't happen. I like that AJ
addressed it directly, like yeah, I know where they're coming from,
and they're right, this can't go the distance.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Love that some people are saying this is just like
a holiday bonus for AJ because he has bigger plans
in twenty twenty six. Do you think that that's a
mistake looking passion or does that motivate you.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I don't think he's looking past me.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I think his fans and the boxing communities looking past
me and some of the other people that are trying
to do fights with him next year. But it's a massive,
massive mistake. And I get why on paper people would
look at this fight and say, oh my god, Jake's
gonna die, He's dead one round, etc. But that's what
(11:22):
I'm here to do. That's why I love it. Like
I have the world cornered. I have him exactly what
I want, I have the boxing community exactly where I want,
and when I beat him next Friday, it's the gonna
be me, the one that's fucking laughing.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
It is, you know, it's it's shocking to hear Jake
talk like it's almost a done deal, right, and it's not.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
To me.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
It doesn't come off as cocky andess, it comes off
as confident. It's like he's like, this is exactly what
I wanted, and when I prove it to people, nim,
what are you gonna say? That's always been Jake's m
is to stack the odds against himself, at least in
the public perception, right Tyren Woodley fight, Oh it's a
world champion now again, not the same, Not trying to
compare him to AJ, but you look at the public
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perception in each of those fights where he had the
odds stacked to get them. And by the way, people
that knew Jake's level and knew where Mike Tyson was,
they knew that Mike was never going to beat Jake,
but the casual audience thought that Mike Tyson was going
to smoke Jake, and he put himself in that position again.
So he's very familiar with this territory. But I agree
with Jake. You cannot, as AJ as his team overlook
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this to get to that. Jake knows it. Jake tried
to overlook Tommy Fury to get to an Ada, and
look what happened, right, It didn't go well for him.
Not to say that's the reason he lost, but overlooking
an opponent, no matter how big, no matter how much
you are as a favorite on paper in boxing, it
has been such a detriment for years and years and years.
We don't have some of the biggest fights we ever
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wanted to see because fighters overlooked people that they were
fighting to get to the big one. Can't do it.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
I see someone who is trying to perfect his skills,
someone who is trying to perfect his boxing skills. So
in boxing, you have fighters that box at long distance,
mid distance, short range, some fighters at brawl, some fighters
that walk forward like Pitbull, that come forward with their
hands out. Jake's trying to become a boxer, and I
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respect it. I think that's probably one of the hardest
styles to perfect, right, you know, hit, be slick, not
get hit, look for that knockout punch. And he's taking
a hard road doing it that way, because most people
will go into a gym and just try to fight,
But Jake's taking that road to try and be a
good boxer, and I respect it. Now he's going to
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come up against someone who took that road as well
when I first went in the gym, tried to perfect
my boxing skills and still standing on that today. So
I'm what maybe seventeen eighteen years as a fighter now
that's been trying to perfect my boxing skills. So he's
going to come against someone who's been doing exactly what
he's doing for.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
A lot longer.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
You know what that right there, and most people aren't
going to get it what AJ just said. Most people
are not gonna get They're gonna overlook that as like, oh,
you know, yeah, Jake's trying to get it be a
better boxer. We understand that what AJ is saying is
so crucial for this fight, and it is something that's
been very crucial for Jake's career. When Jake fought Tommy Fury,
it didn't go his way. He tried to essentially clean
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house and got with a new team. For the most part,
there's still some people that were there that were there before,
but you wanted to revamp his entire skill set as
a boxer. And what and what AJ means and what
I mean is that Jake got away with being a
power puncher, a guy that would crack you with the
right hand, line you with a jab, and go back
for it. And he's gotten away with that up until
the Tommy Fury fight. Then he had to go back
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and rework the entire tool set, from the feet to
the hands, to the timing, to the ability to the
jab to the right like, all of it. He had
to rework it right. And what AJ is telling Cam
there and really telling us is that he is still
trying to get that style down and being a boxer
versus a fighter versus a puncher, it's a lot harder
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of a style because it incorporates everything in the sweet science,
the head off center line, the hands in the right place,
offensive and defensive responsibility. It's meant to make you so
that you don't have a glaring weakness as a fighter.
The problem is Jake hasn't mastered it yet, and not
that AJ has either. A master of it would be
a guy like Alexander Usick. But Jake is not as
far along as he says he is, or at least
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in my opinion he says he is. I think he's underestimating,
believe it or not, how far along AJ is as
a boxer. Because as much as Jake says he's slow
talking about AJ and he's stuck in the mud and stiff,
I would say AJ can do a little bit more
of what Jake wants to do better, not just power punch,
but he can box better technically stylistically. With all that power,
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with all that size, it's a nightmare, and I'm not
sure Jake has grasped that yet. I think he's banking
on the fact that AJ's just gonna throw power punches
all night. He's not gonna set anything up. It's not
gonna move his feet.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
GA's it.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I think that's a terrible underestimation on Jake's park.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Jake is on your level whatsoever?
Speaker 7 (15:56):
No no respect really, because it's it's clear if I
say yes, I'm going to be lying to myself, and
I can't lie to myself. It's not that he can't compete,
but when you talk about, for example, music, how many
albums I put out, how many mixtakes I put out,
he just hasn't got a body of work.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
I'm gotting books in gotcha.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Yeah, Look, I see obviously he's an amazing fighter. But
styles make fights, and I think simply the way that
our styles match up and what I know I can
do to him and the shots that I know I
can land on him, I know that I'm going to
be able to go in there and shock the world.
And that's why I called him up and made this
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fight happen, because I believe in myself and believe in
my style matching.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Up with his.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I just I don't believe it. I know that Jake
says he believes it and that's really all that matters.
But I just there's no physical evidence of it. Especially
Jake's talking about his style, his style, but since Shake
has changed his style, the only guys he's knocked out
are Ryan Borland, Andrea August and Mike Perry didn't knock
out an Ideas And this is the same style, and
he has pressured him. He put Diz down with a
left hook, but he couldnt knock him out. And I'm
not saying that Jake even has to knock Aj out,
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Like could Jake win a decision? I maybe he's thinking
in his head that's the case, but like again, I
don't look at this as Jake has one style. AJ
has one style. If anything, AJ can fight a couple
different ways, and he has before and one fight's doing it.
He fought a different way in the Release two fight
than he fought in the Reeze one fight, even though
I think that was a very tentative. I don't see
that AJ coming out here, but he just stood behind
the jab and won that fight. He's fought in different ways.
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He fought a different way versus Dubois, then he fought
against Alexander Usik either time, and he fought a different
way the second time he fought Usick, then he fought
the first time against Usick. I think AJ is a
bit more of a tricky puzzle if he wants to
box a little more with Jake than Jake thinks.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You think he's scared.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
No, No, I know he thinks about it, but maybe
that's just more from a point of view.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
I want to do well, But I don't think he's
scared though.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Right, I know he thinks about it. Again, AJ not
even really try and has some cold ass lines like
I don't know what he meant there. He kind of
left it up to interpretation. But when he says I
know Jake thinks about it, and when answering if he
thinks Jake scared, he probably means I know Jake thinks
about the fact that he can get knocked out. I
know he thinks about the fact that I'm a big, strong,
powerful guy. I know he thinks about what could happen
if he loses.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
That's the way I read it. That's a nice cold
response from aj'scared.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Okay, No, but you know there's a little bit of
obviously anticipation for any fight.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
It's it's no different.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
You're You're always going to have those slight, little nerves.
But I find that in the bigger moments, I actually
become more calm, which I don't know what it is,
but just thinking through it and manifesting this victory. I
know God's on my side, Jesus on my side, and
I can walk into the ring with no fear because
I have faith and God putting me into this moment
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for a reason.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
You see, you see with Jake, what I learned about
Jake is so when you look at the physicality stuff,
and as you said, he's looking at my chest, I
think Jake is someone where I got beat him mentally
because he's a mental persons. In my observation, a lot
of what Jake's preparation is based around is not only
the physical aspects of training, by the way he thinks, meditation,
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breath work. And if I can break his soul and
I can break his mentality, then I've broken Jake. So
this is why it's going to be an interesting fight
because I as look at it from a physical standpoint,
I know the person that's in front of me, and
I know that I gotta break it. That's why I said,
I gotta take his soul. It's not just physical. I
gotta take your soul in the ring.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Only person that can do that is good.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
I knew I was gonna say that isn't fucking with you.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Oh my god, we got AJ soul reading motherfucker's in
Big twenty twenty five. Damn that was nasty. And he's right.
I never thought about it, but he's right. Jake loves
to play mental games with everybody, right. He loves to
put bets out there. He talked about the Tyren Woodley
tattoo bet. He wanted to put a bet out with
Nate Diaz. There's always something extravagant. There's always some sort
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of game being played, and AJ said, cool. What everybody
says they're gonna do to Jake is always physical. And
Jake doesn't fear getting hurt, at least not in the
terms of like getting punched in the face. Clearly like
he's getting there with AJ, he doesn't fear it. What
AJ is reading or what he's saying that Jake fears
is that the one thing that no one's been able
to really do. And Tommy beat Jake and it did
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it fucked with him mentally for a while, but before
a fight, no one's really been able to make Jake
second guess himself. And really, even in losing the Tommy
Fury fight, Jake didn't come out of that, you know,
quote unquote broken. AJ is like, listen, what I'm gonna
do to you physically is because I am trying to
break you. Mentally. I'm gonna take your soul from you,
give you no reason to want to continue fighting, and
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it will be physical pain, but mentally it will be
a decision that you will make. This is AJ telling Jake,
there's gonna come a moment in this fight where you
and I look at each other and we both know
that you're fading. We both know that mentally you may
have convinced yourself you wanted to be in this fight
and this is what you wanted, but now you're figuring
out it isn't. And at one point in this fight
you're gonna offer me AJ, this fight is too difficult, AJ, Mentally,
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I don't have it. Come and take this from me.
That's the way AJ is looking at it, and that
is ice fucking cold.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
It's funny because the pressures on you and like when
I win the first round.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Here's the here's the mind games coming back.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
I think it's gonna be you that starts to crumble
because all the pressures on you. I'm fighting free the way,
there's no weight on my shoulder. I don't have to
do anything. I don't have to prove anything. You have
so much to prove. The whole boxing worlds like, oh,
here's two rounds or AJ sucks.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
The pressure's on you, brother.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
I'm free, Like I I already took over this whole game,
did everything.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
I'm playing on house money.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
So I think it's gonna be you that starts to
be like, oh fuck it on one round, two, round,
three round and then.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Give up to the expectation of what people have.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I believe you're ready.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, but I'm just thinking, like, once the pressure the
crowd is like, oh gone.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I think so, Jake's essentially telling Cameron and AJ how
he wants to fight. I don't know if anybody else
is catching that Jake is going to make this or
at least you know, from what I'm reading, he wants
to make this a boring fight. Not to say that
like Jake's not gonna come out and fight, but He's
gonna make this a very I think, early on defensive,
which is every what everybody thinks. Jake's gonna do very defensive,
impatient fight because he doesn't care about the booze and
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he wants to put the booze on AJ to pressure
AJ to do something to get out of pocket and
Jake catching him on the back foot. I've said this
from this time, this fight has been made, that AJ
is going to try to pressure Jake for sure, and
that Jake wants to step back and look for that
overhand right the shot that he wants AJ to walk
into the shot he's I guess gonna try to set
up with the jab And now hearing him talk about
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you know, oh the crowd's going to be booing and
you got to do something, I don't have to do nothing.
He wants Aj to force something. He wants Aj to
press and force and Jake to try to capitalize on
a mistake.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
A lot of critics believe, you know your lost to Dui,
that your chinnis suspect.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Are you scared of getting knocked out?
Speaker 7 (23:00):
You know, I was watching Gone new interview and he's
saying the same thing different fighters and gone to in Jake,
my same question.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
You got chance to test it. I'm gonna test this
as well.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Do you think you're gonna knock him out?
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I know it. Yeah, it's already written where in the
history books.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I think in Jake's bedroom. He's got the wall where
he writes his affirmation stuff. That's where it's written. He said,
where where is it written?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I know it.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Yeah, it's already written. Where in the history books? Brother,
it's destiny in yours? No, no, it is. You'll see.
I don't need to I don't need to go into detail.
It's already written.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I'm certain of it.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I'm certain of it. There's only one God, and God
wrote it.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
So it doesn't mind.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
It's in your book to whether you like it or not.
We'll see the final chapter.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
You're saying, Jake playing some mind games hard here, right,
He's essentially he's telling aj that God wants me to
knock you out. I didn't know God worked like that.
I know God played favorites on his favorite fighter, dude,
I didn't know Jake Paul is God's favorite. But yeah,
this is another Jake tactic. This is and it's not
even him trying to play a tactic as much as
it's him believing the words he's saying, like he believes
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that God has bestowed it upon him to knock AJ out.
And those type of dudes are are different.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Jake has now much more recently become religious. But those
dudes that are like soldier of God and everything is like,
I lift it up, you know, to my savior. Those
are dangerous because they don't fight for them. They fight
for this this thing that's better and bigger and more
virtuous and omnipresent and won't let them down. And they
are the ones that have to uphold and uplift themselves
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based on the blessings.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
That kind of stuff is powerful. But I like AJ's
defense here. He's like, yeah, that might be your book,
but my book says nothing like that. I don't I
didn't write that in my ledger. I like it, though,
this is good Jake's he's really trying to grind at
him with the whole like it's it's it's done, dude,
there's nothing you could.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Do about it.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
What's your prediction?
Speaker 7 (25:04):
He's gonna be looking for the right and I'm hitting
with it. Left that's on that training for hitting it
just going longer than one round.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
It's a great question. It's a great question.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Oh he God knows, what's your prediction.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
It's interesting because Jake has been talking about the right
hand of Anthony Joshua a lot. AJ's like, yeah, cool,
you know I got more than just that right hand,
and he even almost wanted to go as far as
being like, nah, he don't get out of the first round.
I think Jake will get out of the first round.
I don't know if it's like an absolute, but I
think he gets out. I've said rounds two or three
is where we'll really see like the pressure be put
on Jake and what he can handle. If he can't
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handle that, that that onslaught that AJ brings after they
have that little feeling out process, and I think it
could get ugly at that point.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I'm gonna knock him out fifth or sixth round.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Fifth or sixth round.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
There we have with everybody, Jake, Paul, Anthony Joshua this Friday,
December nineteenth, only on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
All right, So Jake says knockout in the fifth or
sixth round, and he's been saying that for the entirety
of the build up. But there you have it, the
first face to face in What I loved about this
is that neither guy was hiding. AJ didn't back down
when it came to the mind games. In fact, AJ
flipped the mind games on Jake Paul, the man that
is constantly telling his opponents that it's been written, the
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constantly telling the opponents that it's over with, that they
have all the pressure, and that he has no pressure,
he can fight free, and that he's going to expose
them or surprise them, or validate himself and shock the world.
And AJ went er, hold on a second, None of
the stuff that you're saying is a part of my story.
I don't care about the fans. I don't care about
the pressure. I don't care about boxing as a whole,
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fighting for the sport. Those other guys before that Jake
had fought, attacked him physically, or wanted to attack him physically,
or said what they were going to do to him physically. Pause.
AJ says, that's great, and yeah, I'm gonna hurt you badly.
I'm gonna take your physical beating and leave them unconscious.
But before I do that, I'm going to take your soul.
That to me resonated with Jake more than anything else
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that was said in this face to face, the fact
that AJ did his homework. You hear it throughout this
face to face. He talks about Jake sparring. He talks
about what Jake wants to do as far as what
he's looking out for from AJ, what Jake wants to
capitalize on, and what he wants to do to AJ
again overhand, right, I think off the back foot, and
then he says, I know who's across from me. I've
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studied him, and I know the way to beat Jake
isn't just physically, it's mentally, and I'm gonna take his soul.
Jake's confident, Don't get me wrong. I see that in
this face to face too. He's talking about, you know,
only God could take my soul. It's already been written
in the stars or whatever else. But the reality is
this story is not done, folks, and I am so pumped.
We're just getting started. Hear on fight week, do not
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miss my livestream watch party this Friday, December nineteenth, live
right here on the way concept. And it's no secret
that I have AJ winning this fight A there's no
secret that I think he's gonna knock Jake out. But
what I learned here is that AJ's not fallen for
the bait. I was wondering with Jake's mind games, if
AJ was gonna play into all the nice things and
the lavish this and whatever and let his guard down.
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That's not the case. AJ's locked in, So it is Jake.
But as the old saying goes, there's levels to this game.
You guys, let me know what you think down below.
Who won this face to face, who's winning the mind
games so far? And then of course who wins on
Friday Night. I think I got those answers, but I
guess we'll find out,
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Paul versus Anthony Joshua. Watch party. Do not miss it.
It's going to be absolutely insane. But today we got
the face to face and I never thought I'd say
that Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua's face to face would
be happening, but it is. I've heard some things about
this face to face that bring out a stone cold
message from AJ. No more games, no more playing around.
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We're gonna get into why. I think that's a great
thing for AJ, not to play Jake Paul's games, not
to feed into the little jokes and the little stuff
that Jake does to try to get in your head
to try to soften you up during fight week. So
let's take a look to face to face. Just drop.
Let's break it down let's get into the face to face.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Small on gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
It's popping.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
How you doing you all right, yes, sir, good to
see everybody.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Now, look, according to Fandel, you're coming into this fight
as the underdog.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, you know that's to be a you know, assumed right.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
This is an Olympic gold medalist over here, two time
heavyweight champion of the world.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
But I've been an underdog my whole life.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Man, I've had to fight for everything that I've gotten
ere in my position all the time, and I've honestly
had some of my best performances coming in as an underdog.
And I don't really look at the betting lines and
all who's this favorite, Who's that, because to me, none
of that matters. I know what I'm capable of and
the work that I've put in.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
The fact that Jake is only a plus seven hundred
underdog is kind of crazy to me. Like, I know
that people don't look at Anthony Joshua the same way
they looked at him a couple of years ago, and
he's not the current heavyweight champion of the world. But
Jake's not even a heavyweight. Jake shouldn't really be a
ranked cruiser weight in terms of who he's fought and
their ranking to be able to be a top fifteen guy.
He was, you know, essentially given a top fifteen rank
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after the Julioseser job as junior fight. But he should
be more of an underdog. That's a two time heavyweight champ.
I mean, we've all talked about it, but the plus
seven hundred is crazy. Yah, Jake should be like plus
fifteen plus two thousand, no joke. But also when Jake
says this stuff about you know, it's not surprising he's
an underdog, and you know he's been an underdog his
whole life, and he's had other performances where he's an underdog.
Those things are not the same. And I'm sure he
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knows this, But like being an underdog your whole life,
having underdog performances against guys like Tyron Woodley and maybe
even been asking where he was an underdog in that fight,
those weren't the same as Anthony fucking Joshua, Like he's
rightfully an underdog in this fight and those fights he
should not have been the underdog. Jake was better than
those guys. This is completely different.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I'm assuming you never had to make weight, never had
to make weight, never. So I've seen when they said
that you came and you're training hard, actually seen you
say it that you're faster, is stronger, and why didn't
you do this way before? Do you feel better coming
in at two forty five?
Speaker 6 (03:00):
I do. I feel great. I'm blessed.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
I feel happy that this toss was put upon me
because I wouldn't have pushed myself to get to a
certain weight. I would have just been doing what I
do usually. And I feel really good, so I think
it was a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Yeah, No, I don't agree with the decision or on
his behalf. You know, like he's taken away his best
thing against me, which is his power. And we've seen
him when he's a little bit lighter and there's just
not as much stump on the punches, and I think
that's probably the best thing he could have had, is
that extra oomph in those punches. But it's his game plan,
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whatever he wants. But to me, the weight doesn't matter.
That the weight's not going to make a difference. It's
gonna be the skills that win this fight. And I
believe my skills are better than his which is a
crazy thing to say, but he's a very basic fighter,
and he's gotten to where he's at because of the
size and because of the power. So the skills are
what's gonna win this fight, and he's seen that with
Usik when he fought him, and so I believe it's
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gonna be very similar to that.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So first off, AJ says he feels better at two
forty five. I think this was a miscalculation from jakesd
I think that their best chance was having AJ be
a bit more stagnant and not being able to move
as fluidly in as well, so that Jake could be
a bit faster, so that he could be a bit
more elusive, and that AJ would have a harder time
tracking him. Not to say that, you know, at a
certain point he wouldn't get him, but that would be
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the idea. The bigger way, bigger way slower AJ at
like two sixty or whatever, two fifty five plus. What
Jake is saying, though, doesn't make any sense to me
when he's like, oh, I think it was a miscalculation
for them to agree, I assume is what he means
for AJ to get to two forty five, so that
he's lighter all that. That's a that's a I think
it was a miscalculation that that's a disadvantage to AJ's
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power somehow. AJ's not stripping away muscle to get to
forty five. He's just not as bulky heavy as he
normally would be in aj Is fought it this way
before in the Usik fights, as Jake pointed out, and
this is not something that took away from AJ's power.
The reason he didn't be Usick wasn't because he didn't
have power. Usick was just better, point blank, period. He's
the best in the world. Jake is not Usick. Jake
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can take bits and pieces of Alexander Usick, but he's
not that. And AJ's power will still be devastating at
two forty five, just like it would be at two
fifty five or sixty. Him taking that ten pounds away
to And by the way, it wasn't like he did
a cut to try to make the weight. He is
that weight right now, a lighter version, a more speedy,
compact version of AJ. He's still gonna hit like a
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mack truck. He didn't just lose all that muscle and
all that ability to turn punches over, that's still gonna
be there. And if Jake thinks that AJ needs to
be to sixty four AJ to knock him out, that's
also fucking crazy. Now Jake says something even more insane
to me than the fact that oh Aj made a
miscalculation getting to forty five. He says that his skills
are better than AJ's, and I just don't know where
the evidence of that is. Like, I understand Jake is
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confident himself, but point to me a fight where Jake
showed better skill. I don't see it. And again, Jake
is always telling us how he never gets to show
the skills. He never gets to show the skills. He
just went through a full fight with Julio Chavez Junior,
and nothing in that fight made me go, wow, he's
more skillful than Anthony Joshua. Even when you go back
and look at the Anthony Joshua and Alexander Usik to fight.
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AJ showed more skill in that fight than he had
in a loss. I understand that, But then he had
in a lot of his other heavyweight fights that showed evolution,
that showed him dedicated to the sweet science. So again
Jake's talking out of his ass here, at least from
what we've seen. If he's gotten into camp and after
the Mike Tyson fighting, after the Chavez Junior fight, and
he's turned into a different beast, then we'll see that.
But nothing in his previous repertoire of fights shows me
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that he's better skill for skill than Anthony Joshua. Not
even better, you know, size whatever, but skill for skill.
I haven't seen anything that's much different than agent. He
calls Aja basic fighter. I haven't seen Jake do anything
but the basics, like catch counters, combination punches at times,
but he still sticks with the basis and he gets
by on his power and his size. It's almost like
Jake is saying the things that people say about him.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Well, it sounds like he's happy that you're coming in
two forty five. I also was going to bring that up,
but we'll talk about it now. That you said you
didn't believe he had a bunch of skills, and that
you would kick his ass, and that this was a
fight that you basically wanted, not recently. You've been saying
it for a minute. What about his skills tells you
that you're a better skill fighter than him?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Good question Cam.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, he's just fucking little bit. Gold medalist though.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Yeah, no, one hundred percent. Yeah, he's been doing it
for a long time and he's great. And if you
get caught with that one punch or you know, obviously
there's he has a lot of power punches. If you
get caught, of course, you know he's he's gonna defeat you.
But I don't believe he can land those punches. And
he lands him on the bigger, slower guys who are
sitting right in front of him. Everyone's like, did you
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see Francis and Ghana? What he did to Francis and Ghana.
It's like the guy's feet stuck in mud. He's just
sitting there, didn't do anything and just got fucking nailed
with a big as shot. So yeah, if I get
hit with that shot, I'm screwed.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
But I don't believe he's gonna hit me with those shots.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It's in theory a good idea to do what Jake
is saying, but in practice it's completely different than what
Jake thinks. Like again, it's only eight rounds, so I
don't think that Jake is going to completely gas but
him being on his feet and moving versus a guy
like Nate Diaz or a guy like Tommy Fury, who
both did pressure him and did you know, and even
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Anderson Silva pressured him and made him, you know, get
on his bike a little bit. That's different than the
pressure and the weight and the size of Anthony Joshua
bearing down on you for eight rounds, because Joshua's gonna
take forward steps the entire fight. He's gonna pressure. What
he is is what he's done to Usik. And if
you did want to make a comparison there, like, yeah,
obviously what Aj did de Francis is not going to
be the same here because Francis wanted to engage in
that back and forth. Francis is also a big time
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power puncher, just didn't have the skills to keep up.
But you look at what Aj did and it was
a very timid fight, I will say, in the Ruiz
second fight, but he won that fight exclusively with his jab.
If AJ wants to win this fight with his jab,
he could. Jake is banking on the fact that AJ's
going to be that pressure fighter and that Jake can
stay on the outside, pick him apart and then try
to look for a big one. But again, Jake is
acting as though AJ just has a right hand or
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just has a left hook and can't it up and
can't move his own feet. What we all have to
realize is what Jake is trying to compare himself to,
or at least draw comparison with, and his skills are
not the reality of his skills, at least not that
we've seen. So even if Jake is right about what
you can do to mitigate what AJ does, well, I
don't think that he's right that he's the one that
can do that. There's been one guy that's able to
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do what he wants to do to AJ, and that's
Alexander Usak.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
We're go handle with that shit one and a lot
more because this is the thing.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yes, I'm supposed to come into this fight, according to
the boxing world, and knock him out. A lot of
people are saying, even if he goes to distance, that's not.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
A win for you.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
I understand where they're coming from.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Right, So do you think that you have to knock
him out early to prove the people this is what
I do and this is what he doesn't do to
a degree?
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Yeah, right, If if I'm going to as a shot
straight to the point one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
I agree with what the people are saying.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
I have to go in there, stumb pull over and
flick plane and lating that right behind now he says
is mony weapon.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
God Again. I like this from AJ. It is concise,
it is definitive, it is direct. He's not dancing around
this idea that we all know is the truth that
AJ cannot go eight rounds with Jake Paul and boxing
really survive that, right, If Jake goes eight rounds with AJ,
it's an indictment on AJ as a fighter, and it's
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an indictment on boxing that this kid, this Disney kid,
came in, learned the sport, trained it like professionals do,
and became a good enough professional to go the distance
with a two time heavyweight champion of the world and
one of the better heavyweights in this era. And Jake
isn't a heavyweight. That can't happen. I like that AJ
addressed it directly, like yeah, I know where they're coming from,
and they're right, this can't go the distance.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Love that some people are saying this is just like
a holiday bonus for AJ because he has bigger plans
in twenty twenty six. Do you think that that's a
mistake looking passion or does that motivate you.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I don't think he's looking past me.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I think his fans and the boxing communities looking past
me and some of the other people that are trying
to do fights with him next year. But it's a massive,
massive mistake. And I get why on paper people would
look at this fight and say, oh my god, Jake's
gonna die, He's dead one round, etc. But that's what
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I'm here to do. That's why I love it. Like
I have the world cornered. I have him exactly what
I want, I have the boxing community exactly where I want,
and when I beat him next Friday, it's the gonna
be me, the one that's fucking laughing.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
It is, you know, it's it's shocking to hear Jake
talk like it's almost a done deal, right, and it's not.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
To me.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
It doesn't come off as cocky andess, it comes off
as confident. It's like he's like, this is exactly what
I wanted, and when I prove it to people, nim,
what are you gonna say? That's always been Jake's m
is to stack the odds against himself, at least in
the public perception, right Tyren Woodley fight, Oh it's a
world champion now again, not the same, Not trying to
compare him to AJ, but you look at the public
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perception in each of those fights where he had the
odds stacked to get them. And by the way, people
that knew Jake's level and knew where Mike Tyson was,
they knew that Mike was never going to beat Jake,
but the casual audience thought that Mike Tyson was going
to smoke Jake, and he put himself in that position again.
So he's very familiar with this territory. But I agree
with Jake. You cannot, as AJ as his team overlook
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this to get to that. Jake knows it. Jake tried
to overlook Tommy Fury to get to an Ada, and
look what happened, right, It didn't go well for him.
Not to say that's the reason he lost, but overlooking
an opponent, no matter how big, no matter how much
you are as a favorite on paper in boxing, it
has been such a detriment for years and years and years.
We don't have some of the biggest fights we ever
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wanted to see because fighters overlooked people that they were
fighting to get to the big one. Can't do it.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
I see someone who is trying to perfect his skills,
someone who is trying to perfect his boxing skills. So
in boxing, you have fighters that box at long distance,
mid distance, short range, some fighters at brawl, some fighters
that walk forward like Pitbull, that come forward with their
hands out. Jake's trying to become a boxer, and I
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respect it. I think that's probably one of the hardest
styles to perfect, right, you know, hit, be slick, not
get hit, look for that knockout punch. And he's taking
a hard road doing it that way, because most people
will go into a gym and just try to fight,
But Jake's taking that road to try and be a
good boxer, and I respect it. Now he's going to
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come up against someone who took that road as well
when I first went in the gym, tried to perfect
my boxing skills and still standing on that today. So
I'm what maybe seventeen eighteen years as a fighter now
that's been trying to perfect my boxing skills. So he's
going to come against someone who's been doing exactly what
he's doing for.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
A lot longer.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
You know what that right there, and most people aren't
going to get it what AJ just said. Most people
are not gonna get They're gonna overlook that as like, oh,
you know, yeah, Jake's trying to get it be a
better boxer. We understand that what AJ is saying is
so crucial for this fight, and it is something that's
been very crucial for Jake's career. When Jake fought Tommy Fury,
it didn't go his way. He tried to essentially clean
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house and got with a new team. For the most part,
there's still some people that were there that were there before,
but you wanted to revamp his entire skill set as
a boxer. And what and what AJ means and what
I mean is that Jake got away with being a
power puncher, a guy that would crack you with the
right hand, line you with a jab, and go back
for it. And he's gotten away with that up until
the Tommy Fury fight. Then he had to go back
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and rework the entire tool set, from the feet to
the hands, to the timing, to the ability to the
jab to the right like, all of it. He had
to rework it right. And what AJ is telling Cam
there and really telling us is that he is still
trying to get that style down and being a boxer
versus a fighter versus a puncher, it's a lot harder
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of a style because it incorporates everything in the sweet science,
the head off center line, the hands in the right place,
offensive and defensive responsibility. It's meant to make you so
that you don't have a glaring weakness as a fighter.
The problem is Jake hasn't mastered it yet, and not
that AJ has either. A master of it would be
a guy like Alexander Usick. But Jake is not as
far along as he says he is, or at least
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in my opinion he says he is. I think he's underestimating,
believe it or not, how far along AJ is as
a boxer. Because as much as Jake says he's slow
talking about AJ and he's stuck in the mud and stiff,
I would say AJ can do a little bit more
of what Jake wants to do better, not just power punch,
but he can box better technically stylistically. With all that power,
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with all that size, it's a nightmare, and I'm not
sure Jake has grasped that yet. I think he's banking
on the fact that AJ's just gonna throw power punches
all night. He's not gonna set anything up. It's not
gonna move his feet.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
GA's it.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I think that's a terrible underestimation on Jake's park.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Jake is on your level whatsoever?
Speaker 7 (15:56):
No no respect really, because it's it's clear if I
say yes, I'm going to be lying to myself, and
I can't lie to myself. It's not that he can't compete,
but when you talk about, for example, music, how many
albums I put out, how many mixtakes I put out,
he just hasn't got a body of work.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
I'm gotting books in gotcha.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Yeah, Look, I see obviously he's an amazing fighter. But
styles make fights, and I think simply the way that
our styles match up and what I know I can
do to him and the shots that I know I
can land on him, I know that I'm going to
be able to go in there and shock the world.
And that's why I called him up and made this
(16:39):
fight happen, because I believe in myself and believe in
my style matching.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Up with his.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I just I don't believe it. I know that Jake
says he believes it and that's really all that matters.
But I just there's no physical evidence of it. Especially
Jake's talking about his style, his style, but since Shake
has changed his style, the only guys he's knocked out
are Ryan Borland, Andrea August and Mike Perry didn't knock
out an Ideas And this is the same style, and
he has pressured him. He put Diz down with a
left hook, but he couldnt knock him out. And I'm
not saying that Jake even has to knock Aj out,
(17:07):
Like could Jake win a decision? I maybe he's thinking
in his head that's the case, but like again, I
don't look at this as Jake has one style. AJ
has one style. If anything, AJ can fight a couple
different ways, and he has before and one fight's doing it.
He fought a different way in the Release two fight
than he fought in the Reeze one fight, even though
I think that was a very tentative. I don't see
that AJ coming out here, but he just stood behind
the jab and won that fight. He's fought in different ways.
(17:29):
He fought a different way versus Dubois, then he fought
against Alexander Usik either time, and he fought a different
way the second time he fought Usick, then he fought
the first time against Usick. I think AJ is a
bit more of a tricky puzzle if he wants to
box a little more with Jake than Jake thinks.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You think he's scared.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
No, No, I know he thinks about it, but maybe
that's just more from a point of view.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
I want to do well, But I don't think he's
scared though.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Right, I know he thinks about it. Again, AJ not
even really try and has some cold ass lines like
I don't know what he meant there. He kind of
left it up to interpretation. But when he says I
know Jake thinks about it, and when answering if he
thinks Jake scared, he probably means I know Jake thinks
about the fact that he can get knocked out. I
know he thinks about the fact that I'm a big, strong,
powerful guy. I know he thinks about what could happen
if he loses.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
That's the way I read it. That's a nice cold
response from aj'scared.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Okay, No, but you know there's a little bit of
obviously anticipation for any fight.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
It's it's no different.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
You're You're always going to have those slight, little nerves.
But I find that in the bigger moments, I actually
become more calm, which I don't know what it is,
but just thinking through it and manifesting this victory. I
know God's on my side, Jesus on my side, and
I can walk into the ring with no fear because
I have faith and God putting me into this moment
(18:43):
for a reason.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
You see, you see with Jake, what I learned about
Jake is so when you look at the physicality stuff,
and as you said, he's looking at my chest, I
think Jake is someone where I got beat him mentally
because he's a mental persons. In my observation, a lot
of what Jake's preparation is based around is not only
the physical aspects of training, by the way he thinks, meditation,
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breath work. And if I can break his soul and
I can break his mentality, then I've broken Jake. So
this is why it's going to be an interesting fight
because I as look at it from a physical standpoint,
I know the person that's in front of me, and
I know that I gotta break it. That's why I said,
I gotta take his soul. It's not just physical. I
gotta take your soul in the ring.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Only person that can do that is good.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
I knew I was gonna say that isn't fucking with you.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Oh my god, we got AJ soul reading motherfucker's in
Big twenty twenty five. Damn that was nasty. And he's right.
I never thought about it, but he's right. Jake loves
to play mental games with everybody, right. He loves to
put bets out there. He talked about the Tyren Woodley
tattoo bet. He wanted to put a bet out with
Nate Diaz. There's always something extravagant. There's always some sort
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of game being played, and AJ said, cool. What everybody
says they're gonna do to Jake is always physical. And
Jake doesn't fear getting hurt, at least not in the
terms of like getting punched in the face. Clearly like
he's getting there with AJ, he doesn't fear it. What
AJ is reading or what he's saying that Jake fears
is that the one thing that no one's been able
to really do. And Tommy beat Jake and it did
(20:14):
it fucked with him mentally for a while, but before
a fight, no one's really been able to make Jake
second guess himself. And really, even in losing the Tommy
Fury fight, Jake didn't come out of that, you know,
quote unquote broken. AJ is like, listen, what I'm gonna
do to you physically is because I am trying to
break you. Mentally. I'm gonna take your soul from you,
give you no reason to want to continue fighting, and
(20:36):
it will be physical pain, but mentally it will be
a decision that you will make. This is AJ telling Jake,
there's gonna come a moment in this fight where you
and I look at each other and we both know
that you're fading. We both know that mentally you may
have convinced yourself you wanted to be in this fight
and this is what you wanted, but now you're figuring
out it isn't. And at one point in this fight
you're gonna offer me AJ, this fight is too difficult, AJ, Mentally,
(21:00):
I don't have it. Come and take this from me.
That's the way AJ is looking at it, and that
is ice fucking cold.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
It's funny because the pressures on you and like when
I win the first round.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Here's the here's the mind games coming back.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
I think it's gonna be you that starts to crumble
because all the pressures on you. I'm fighting free the way,
there's no weight on my shoulder. I don't have to
do anything. I don't have to prove anything. You have
so much to prove. The whole boxing worlds like, oh,
here's two rounds or AJ sucks.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
The pressure's on you, brother.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
I'm free, Like I I already took over this whole game,
did everything.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
I'm playing on house money.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
So I think it's gonna be you that starts to
be like, oh fuck it on one round, two, round,
three round and then.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Give up to the expectation of what people have.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I believe you're ready.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, but I'm just thinking, like, once the pressure the
crowd is like, oh gone.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I think so, Jake's essentially telling Cameron and AJ how
he wants to fight. I don't know if anybody else
is catching that Jake is going to make this or
at least you know, from what I'm reading, he wants
to make this a boring fight. Not to say that
like Jake's not gonna come out and fight, but He's
gonna make this a very I think, early on defensive,
which is every what everybody thinks. Jake's gonna do very defensive,
impatient fight because he doesn't care about the booze and
(22:19):
he wants to put the booze on AJ to pressure
AJ to do something to get out of pocket and
Jake catching him on the back foot. I've said this
from this time, this fight has been made, that AJ
is going to try to pressure Jake for sure, and
that Jake wants to step back and look for that
overhand right the shot that he wants AJ to walk
into the shot he's I guess gonna try to set
up with the jab And now hearing him talk about
(22:40):
you know, oh the crowd's going to be booing and
you got to do something, I don't have to do nothing.
He wants Aj to force something. He wants Aj to
press and force and Jake to try to capitalize on
a mistake.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
A lot of critics believe, you know your lost to Dui,
that your chinnis suspect.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Are you scared of getting knocked out?
Speaker 7 (23:00):
You know, I was watching Gone new interview and he's
saying the same thing different fighters and gone to in Jake,
my same question.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
You got chance to test it. I'm gonna test this
as well.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Do you think you're gonna knock him out?
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I know it. Yeah, it's already written where in the
history books.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I think in Jake's bedroom. He's got the wall where
he writes his affirmation stuff. That's where it's written. He said,
where where is it written?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I know it.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Yeah, it's already written. Where in the history books? Brother,
it's destiny in yours? No, no, it is. You'll see.
I don't need to I don't need to go into detail.
It's already written.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I'm certain of it.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I'm certain of it. There's only one God, and God
wrote it.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
So it doesn't mind.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
It's in your book to whether you like it or not.
We'll see the final chapter.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
You're saying, Jake playing some mind games hard here, right,
He's essentially he's telling aj that God wants me to
knock you out. I didn't know God worked like that.
I know God played favorites on his favorite fighter, dude,
I didn't know Jake Paul is God's favorite. But yeah,
this is another Jake tactic. This is and it's not
even him trying to play a tactic as much as
it's him believing the words he's saying, like he believes
(24:18):
that God has bestowed it upon him to knock AJ out.
And those type of dudes are are different.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Jake has now much more recently become religious. But those
dudes that are like soldier of God and everything is like,
I lift it up, you know, to my savior. Those
are dangerous because they don't fight for them. They fight
for this this thing that's better and bigger and more
virtuous and omnipresent and won't let them down. And they
are the ones that have to uphold and uplift themselves
(24:45):
based on the blessings.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
That kind of stuff is powerful. But I like AJ's
defense here. He's like, yeah, that might be your book,
but my book says nothing like that. I don't I
didn't write that in my ledger. I like it, though,
this is good Jake's he's really trying to grind at
him with the whole like it's it's it's done, dude,
there's nothing you could.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Do about it.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
What's your prediction?
Speaker 7 (25:04):
He's gonna be looking for the right and I'm hitting
with it. Left that's on that training for hitting it
just going longer than one round.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
It's a great question. It's a great question.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Oh he God knows, what's your prediction.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
It's interesting because Jake has been talking about the right
hand of Anthony Joshua a lot. AJ's like, yeah, cool,
you know I got more than just that right hand,
and he even almost wanted to go as far as
being like, nah, he don't get out of the first round.
I think Jake will get out of the first round.
I don't know if it's like an absolute, but I
think he gets out. I've said rounds two or three
is where we'll really see like the pressure be put
on Jake and what he can handle. If he can't
(25:45):
handle that, that that onslaught that AJ brings after they
have that little feeling out process, and I think it
could get ugly at that point.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I'm gonna knock him out fifth or sixth round.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Fifth or sixth round.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
There we have with everybody, Jake, Paul, Anthony Joshua this Friday,
December nineteenth, only on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
All right, So Jake says knockout in the fifth or
sixth round, and he's been saying that for the entirety
of the build up. But there you have it, the
first face to face in What I loved about this
is that neither guy was hiding. AJ didn't back down
when it came to the mind games. In fact, AJ
flipped the mind games on Jake Paul, the man that
is constantly telling his opponents that it's been written, the
(26:25):
constantly telling the opponents that it's over with, that they
have all the pressure, and that he has no pressure,
he can fight free, and that he's going to expose
them or surprise them, or validate himself and shock the world.
And AJ went er, hold on a second, None of
the stuff that you're saying is a part of my story.
I don't care about the fans. I don't care about
the pressure. I don't care about boxing as a whole,
(26:46):
fighting for the sport. Those other guys before that Jake
had fought, attacked him physically, or wanted to attack him physically,
or said what they were going to do to him physically. Pause.
AJ says, that's great, and yeah, I'm gonna hurt you badly.
I'm gonna take your physical beating and leave them unconscious.
But before I do that, I'm going to take your soul.
That to me resonated with Jake more than anything else
(27:09):
that was said in this face to face, the fact
that AJ did his homework. You hear it throughout this
face to face. He talks about Jake sparring. He talks
about what Jake wants to do as far as what
he's looking out for from AJ, what Jake wants to
capitalize on, and what he wants to do to AJ
again overhand, right, I think off the back foot, and
then he says, I know who's across from me. I've
(27:30):
studied him, and I know the way to beat Jake
isn't just physically, it's mentally, and I'm gonna take his soul.
Jake's confident, Don't get me wrong. I see that in
this face to face too. He's talking about, you know,
only God could take my soul. It's already been written
in the stars or whatever else. But the reality is
this story is not done, folks, and I am so pumped.
We're just getting started. Hear on fight week, do not
(27:51):
miss my livestream watch party this Friday, December nineteenth, live
right here on the way concept. And it's no secret
that I have AJ winning this fight A there's no
secret that I think he's gonna knock Jake out. But
what I learned here is that AJ's not fallen for
the bait. I was wondering with Jake's mind games, if
AJ was gonna play into all the nice things and
the lavish this and whatever and let his guard down.
(28:14):
That's not the case. AJ's locked in, So it is Jake.
But as the old saying goes, there's levels to this game.
You guys, let me know what you think down below.
Who won this face to face, who's winning the mind
games so far? And then of course who wins on
Friday Night. I think I got those answers, but I
guess we'll find out,
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