August 7, 2025 • 19 mins
This is really going to happen isnt it.. Jake Paul vs Anthony Joshua are going to fight
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, So we are back on the way concept
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presented by the Ring, and today they're actually gonna do this,
aren't they. They really are going to make Jake Paul
versus Anthony Joshua. And it's not just me saying this
as if I want this to happen, because I'm truly
like concerned that Jake Paul is gonna get his actual
head knocked off his shoulders. Now, now, how many people in
this comments section will be like, why is that a concern? Way,
(00:23):
that's what we want? Well, I think it's probably a
bad precedent, but boxing has already set a ton of
bad precedents, so it may not just be an idea.
It may be reality, and it may be sooner than
you think. What do I mean the breakdown? Let's go,
all right? So Niki Sabderian, Jake Paul's manager and the
(00:47):
co founder of MVP, was on Sky Sports in the
UK today talk about a myriad of things, but the
main thing I wanted to cover today is obviously the
Jake Paul Anthony Joshua rumors and now potentially talk going
on for an actual fight. Like there's a difference between
Jake Paul saying I want to fight Anthony Joshua and
the rest of us kind of being like, uh, all right, bud.
(01:09):
Although I will say I know Jake's delusion, so I
know that when he says it, he actually will fight.
And I think this is the first time and Jake's
boxing career that his delusion will lead him to a
place that's gonna get him seriously injured. Honestly, this is
what I think. I don't understand why they want to
take this fight. Hopefully Nikisa can try to convince me
is to any reason. I'm out of that sweet sweet
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den arrow aka money Akalla dollar bills, y'all. To me,
there is no feasible answer for this, and I think
it's really gonna get Jake hurt. And again, you know,
a lot of people will celebrate that, but I just
don't understand it. So let's take a look at what
Nikisa had to say.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I think the fight can absolutely happen. I'm looking at
it as Jake versus Joshua, which is quite biblical and
it's quite impactful in many ways.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
All Right, So, first off, Nikisa says he looks at
this as Jake versus Joshua, and you know it has
biblical undertones. I don't know the biblical undertones of Jake
versus Joshua. I know Jacob is essentially Israel, I'm pretty
sure in the Bible, or it has something to do
with like the seed of Abraham. I'm not gonna act
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like I'm a biblical historian, but I'm pretty sure I
remember from Sunday School growing up that Jacob is the
name given to I guess what would become Israel, and
then Joshua is like an assistant of Moses who leads
the Israelites at a certain point through Canaan. I think
I could be wrong. Bible knowers let me know down below,
but I'm not sure how if there was ever a
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Jacob versus Joshua thing in the Bible, I know they
both had significance, but I'm not sure the connection there.
But then again, this could just be Nikisa saying Jake
is a side versus Anthony Joshua, and I don't really
know what to make of that. They would be a
massive fight, like if we're talking about who's a bigger
star in boxing. If they do it in the UK,
it's gonna be Anthony Joshua. He is a draw there
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like almost no boxer is here in Eric. I think
he's sold out ninety thousand a couple times out there.
I don't know, but anyway, we keep going.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Get Anthony Joshua. I think he is twenty eight and
four if I'm not mistaken, and two of his losses
are against Alexander Usik. Usik weighed in at two hundred
and twenty pounds for those fights. Jake is not Usick.
A lot more years of experience needed to get to
that level, but Jake walks around between two eight and
two ten, and he fought Mike Tyson at two hundred
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and twenty eight pounds, So I think size wise we
can get comfortable with it. And I think experience wise,
Jake is learning very fast and growing, and Joshua is
a little long in the tooth, So.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
You know, I listen, I'm all for selling it for
your guy. But the reaches here to make any comparison
between Jake Paul and opponent's than Anthony Joshua has had
and also opponents Jake has had, this is like the
Kisa has grown go go gadget arms and he is
stretching to make these reaches. And again it's what he's
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supposed to do. I get it right. If his client says, listen,
I want to fight Anthony Joshua, and the KISA says
that's probably not a good idea, and his client says, no,
I want to fight Anthony Joshua. You're not hearing me.
Make it happen. And there's really nothing that KISA can
do other than this. Do I think that he believes
Jake can win. I don't know. I don't think any
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sane person believes Jake can win this fight. If you
have any frontal cortex brain matter, you probably think Jake
has less than one percent chance of winning this fight.
But at the same time, the KISA is doing what
he's supposed to do now as far as what he's saying.
Jake weighed in at two twenty eight to fight Mike Tyson.
Usik waded around two twenties to fight Anthony Joshua. He said,
Jake is clearly not usick, but he's getting experience and
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Joshua was a little long in the tooth. Number one
lex und Usa is one of the greatest boxers we've
ever seen. Cruisewade heavyweight two twenty is a little bit
more natural for him at his age to stay at heavyweight,
which is why he's there, but also his ability to
box allows him as an undersized heavyweight in this era.
Lex under Uz in the seventies and the eighties is
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not an undersized heavyweight. George Forman in the seventies is
two hundred and twenty something pounds. You know what I'm saying.
Muhammad al Leive was two sixteenth So in those days,
Usik's not undersized. But in the era of the bigger heavyweight,
the two hundred and fifty pound Anthony Joshua, the two
hundred and forty pound uh Daniel Dubois, the two hundred
and ninety pounds almost three hundred pound Tyson Fury, this
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era of heavyweight is bigger in Usik even with those
bigger guys, able to still hurt them because of his
boxing ability, his speed, elusiveness, is footwork, all the things
that Jake just doesn't have, at least not anywhere close
to the level of being competitive with one of the
more athletic heavyweights. While no, he doesn't have the greatest feet,
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but he has well enough feet to hang with Jake
Paul in a boxing ring. We're talking about Anthony Joshua. Here,
we're not talking about random heavyweight. Jake has sparred in
camp to get ready for fifty eight year old Mike Tyson.
And I just have to say this stuff because it's
you know, if the comparisons are going to be made,
I have to point at the holes in the argument
because that I don't even make them, they're just there,
which is that, Yeah, Okay, Jake was two hundred and
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twenty eight pounds for the Mike Tyson fight, but it
was a two minute per round fight and they went
eight rounds. I know that that wasn't because of Jake,
but at the same time, he's not He shouldn't be
at two hundred and twenty eight pounds. Not great for
his body, not that he can't hold the weight, but
if he's going to try to go long rounds against
a power, punching, way younger, fast, explosive heavyweight, you want
to call Anthony Joshua long in the tooth. Jake was
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trying to hurt Mike Tyson at least early on in
that fight, and he couldn't do it. And that's fifty
eight year old Mike. And I'm not saying that at
a certain point, Jake didn't let off the gas or whatever.
But I watched him in those first couple of rounds
and he was throwing haymakers, he was throwing kill shots
at Mike Tyson and he couldn't hurt him. I'm not
saying Jake can't knock people out or whatever he doesn't
have power. I think Jake does have some power. But
this is heavyweight we're talking about, and it's just you know,
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we just watched him fight against uh Julio Sayser Chivez Junior,
and Chavez was protecting himself, clearly did not want to fight.
Apparently he was using it as a way to just
avoid ICE agents for a couple more days that it
turned himself in. But the point I'm making is Jake
can intimidate a guy like Chavez with his size, with
his speed, with his power and make him go, hey,
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you know what, maybe I don't want to fight this
kid and take any risk. Anthony Joshua is used to
fighting the bigger level of heavyweights, and it's fought the
most skilled heavyweight there is, and in the second fight
looked a little better than some other guys have Against
Usak Nikisa has to say what he has to say
to make this plausible to even talk about doing, let
alone starting to actually build toward the fight. But it's
(07:31):
just I don't see it.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Man. Could be a very interesting matchup, and we're actively
discussing it with Matroum in.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Terms of those adds A discussions, how far things progress.
Is it something that you can see happening next for
Jake and for AJ.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I think we're looking at it happening in Q one
of twenty twenty six is kind of the current discussion.
I think it's public that Aj was taking a little
time away. Think you got a little surgery. So once
he's ready, and once Jake is ready, we're gonna squarely
focus on that.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
This is what I'm talking about, Dude, Like this has
gone past the point of, well, you know, we may
want it to happen. We even had Turkey Alla Shaik saying, listen,
I'll make the fight. I'll put the fight on because
Turkey is so invested in it. He's so sure that
Anthony Josh was gonna beat Jake. He called it a
ninety nine percent to one percent fight. Because he likes
to put on fifty to fifty fights, right, fights that
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people want to see fights that make the most sense
and are the most competitive. He's not even trying to
hide the fact that he thinks this is a ninety
nine to one and he wants it to happen. So
he's done with the Jake Paul problem. That's what he said.
I respect the honesty. And if you're looking for AJ
to have a build up fight, which is what everybody's saying,
fight to kind of get him back on the horse
before potentially finally hopefully going into the Tyson Fury fight.
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Would you rather him fight Tony Yoka or would you
rather him fight an almost guaranteed win in Jake Paul.
I mean again, it's just it boggles my mind that
this can even happen.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
How much of a worry is that we so hated
too in Ghannon.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So power is obviously the last thing to go. So
obviously AJ has a ton of power, and he's still
fairly young. Mike Tyson much more vicious of a knockout
artist than Anthony Joshua, much older than AJ. But that
was a risk that Jake was willing to take.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
No, Na, we just can't. We can't do these kind
of comparisons. You just can't. Mike was fifty eight years old,
and yes, what Nikisa's saying is true when you add context,
which is in his prime or even fairly in the
back end of his prime and out of his prime,
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like in the part of his life where he was
completely gone from boxing and gone to prison, come back
strung out, out of shape. Mike even then was probably
a naturally harder, vicious, knockout puncher than AJ has continued
to be. But that's not even what Mike is now.
(09:51):
We're talking twenty five years after that, twenty five years
after the worst parts of Mike Tyson as a professional.
AJ's not even as washed as Mike was at the
end of his career, like Mike was washed wak at
the end of his actual pro boxing run.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
It.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I mean, he wasn't powerful. But the comparison being made
is like Mike Tyson was anywhere near the threat that
we're talking about here. It wasn't even close. Like, yeah,
Mike had a shot of hurting Jake, and it was
looked at as somewhat competitive because of Mike's age. We
don't look at this fight as competitive because AJ is
a bad mother When his mind is in a boxing match. Now,
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if he shows up like he showed up against Daniel Dubois,
or shows up like he showed up against Andy Ruiz
the second fight, even though he won the fight, it
was the most hesitant, just get through it type of fight.
If he shows up like that or you know, I
don't know, like the the USIK one fight, then yeah,
we may have a real issue here. Like if AJ's
not focused and he's just doing it whatever and often
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la la land, then yeah they may have a problem
because Aj, when he's not locked in just four goes
all boxing and just wings it and bad shit happens
to him. But if he showed up with any ounce
of respect, any ounce of dignity, any ounce of just
I am going to prove that I'm a professional. And
you can't just walk into this sport and call out
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a high level heavyweight as someone that's not even a
true heavyweight and think you're going to win, then he'll
absolutely flatline Jake. So when Akisa is saying stuff like, yeah,
you know, Jake knw going in there with Mike was
a risk, you're talking like a ninety five or ninety
six percent increase in risk now versus what you were
talking about against Mike Tyson. It's not even close.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Francis Longano amazing MMA fighter, very powerful man, not an
experienced boxer, right, a lot less experience than Jake Paul.
So if people were comfortable with Francis getting in there
with AJ, Jake who is now thirteen fights in plus
one amateur fight, a lot less than AJ, but much
more than Francis Longano, I think we're very comfortable with it. Ultimately,
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it's not a fight that I want Jake to do.
It's a fight that Jake wants to do, and that's
a discussion we've had at length, and he feels very
confident about where he is in his career and his
chances of upsetting Anthony Joshua.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I mean, listen, that end part is a fair point,
Like you know, Nikisa has to understand the words coming
out of his mouth, or like, listen, I'm trying to
do my best to convince you guys of like why
Jake thinks he can win this fight. But I'm gonna
be the first to tell you I didn't want this
fight for I don't know how to even read that,
but I agree with that part to be like, hey, listen,
this is not my choice. In fact, I did not
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want him fighting Anthony Joshua. But we talked and talked
and I tried to He's not saying it, but he's
like I tried to tell him, this is probably not
the best idea, tried to talk to him, maybe, tried
to talk him out of it, and Jake's just not budging.
But again, the comparisons are what I have to go
back to. Here. You're talking about Francis and Ganu, who, yes,
should not have been in a ring with Anthony Joshua
as quick as he was, shouldn't have been in a
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ring as quick as he was with Tyson Fury either,
But the styles make matchups, and like Nikisa said, Francis
is a ridiculously strong puncher, a gifted athlete, a freak
of nature. Now, yeah, Jake has better skills, and he
has more experienced and he has thirteen fights and all
that's great, But the same things that plagued Francis potentially
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and almost certainly can plague Jake Paul is inexperience at heavyweight,
not just in boxing, but at heavyweight, and having to
adjust with a man like aj who is powerful and
is a bit faster than the other heavyweights outside of USA,
cracking you with a shot that's set up that he
actually uses his jab to create. If AJ again shows
up in any kind of proper form and you get
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that Aj the night he fought Francis, it's going to
be a train ring.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Think about disrupting the sport and getting those eyeballs on it.
Jake versus AJ, or Jake versus Joshua, as you call
it at Wembley perhaps sounds pretty good to us. Would
that be the dream venue for a fight like that?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I think we're looking at multiple options. Wembley's definitely a possibility.
Jake has said he'd like to do it there. He
likes the idea of going in and hearing ninety thousand
people booing him. He kind of feeds off of that.
But we're looking at the US obviously. Saudi Arabia is
also an option in the Middle East as an option as
a whole, but we want to do it in the
most impactful way possible.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Now listen again, this as a spectacle is going to
draw ridiculous amounts of viewership and for the spectacle of it,
because that's what we're agreeing to. This being as we
go into it. Everybody knows this. It'll be an event,
it'll be a spectacle, it'll be must watch for reasons
that probably aren't usually the must watch reasons of boxing.
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Just like Mike Tyson and Jake was. It was a
weird kind of circus clash and that's okay again, I'm
watching this shit. I'm intrigued by it. I want to
see and with Turkey Ola Shake if he's going to
be involved, and I know he said he wants to be,
I think the right idea is to do this in
the UK, do it in Andy Joshua's backyard, do it
at Wimbley R ninety thousand, eighty thousand, whatever it's going
to be. That's the story. And it really sucks to
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me that it's not going to be Jake and Ksi
at Wimbley because that's really the story. That's the one
that honestly should have happened. For those that are not
familiar with the crossover influencer side, that's the fight that's
been on the books and off the books and should
have happened and could have happened and didn't happen. But regardless,
US versus UK always sells and especially when someone is
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hated as Jake by the UK audience comes into their
backyard and they have a guy that they love and
Anthony Joshua it's a recipe he made in Boxing Spectacle Heaven.
I guess all right, So that's the Kisa talking about
the fight. Now, if that wasn't enough to convince you
that this thing is probably going to happen more likely
than not, I'm saying, I mean, if I'm putting percentages
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on it, unless AJ's team and I saw Ben Davidson.
I don't know if he's still coaching AJ, but I
know he was AJ's coach talking about he didn't want
to see AJ do that. He doesn't he would rather
AJ take more credible fights. And that's also a fair
point and one that a lot of people are also
going to hang on to and say, yeah, we would
rather see him fight Tony Yoka or somebody else. I
have to wait, Yce in fury. I don't know whoever
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else outside of something like that happening. I'm putting this
at like a seventy thirty thing. And again, these are
just my percentages. The way this conversation's going, the way
if you read in between the lines of what AJ's
saying by way, what Eddie Hearn is saying about you know, yeah,
we'll sign it. Yeah, let's do it right now. Yeah,
they want it. Jake wants it. I don't think Nikisa actually,
I don't know if that's something that he wants. But
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he's gonna do right by his client, or at least
do what his client's asking him to do. And then
you have this, which again just is more ammo, more
fuel to the fire for me. This was I think
on Instagram. I'm assuming this was from the Sky Sports interview.
Some random on Instagram commented underneath it instead, imagine losing
to Tommy Fury then thinking you have a chance to
upset Joshua, which is a fair point. I mean, Jake
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fought Tommy Fury at what one hundred and eighty five
pounds and lost. That was a long time ago. Jake's
had a lot of experience since then, xyz. But you
can see why the idea of him beating Joshua is
fucking insane to most people with a brain. But Nikisa
don't like Random's coming at his boy like that, so
he comments underneath it. Imagine being twenty eight buying a
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home for forty million freaking massive flex pocket watch to
the I don't even know if Jake an noowsd it
was of forty million dollar home, putting on the biggest
event in women's boxing history, fighting in the most viewed
boxing event since Ali, and then fighting AJ soon after.
Oh actually, don't imagine it, Jake Paul did it. So again,
I don't know how many of you guys talk like
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this when you're just wondering about a fight, when you're
just negotiating about a fight, when you're just in talks
about a fight, saying things like, imagine you were fighting
in the biggest most viewed boxing event since Ali, then
fought AJ soon after. Oh wait, don't imagine it, Jake
Paul did it. This is almost a guarantee. Maybe Nicky's
is getting ahead of himself a little bit and just
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adding things in to hit back at a troll, But
that seems like almost a freaking done deep that seems
like they're they're this is what's gonna be happening. So again,
I'm not trying to over exaggerate. I'm not trying to
read too much into stuff. I'm literally just reading the
words that are in front of me and listening to
what's being said, I can't believe it. But they're actually
gonna do this shit. This is insane. They're going to
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do this fight. I think it's a bad idea for Jake.
I do and I'm not even trying to like shit
on the fight because again I'm gonna wat but I
just think it's it's there's a no win situation outside
of money, and sure it'll be a big event, but
if Jake's goals are to be a world champion, which okay,
we'll see, I'm still bearish on that. But if that's
the goal outside of the putting on the big events thing,
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how do you get to that? If you don't get
past aj and he really does a number on you,
I have no idea. And again, is the money worth
that kind of risk to not only this fight but
the future. I don't think so. But comment section, you
tell me if I'm crazy. It seems like it's it's
starting to tilt one way. What was kind of a
joke or at least seem like that only a few
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months ago, is now starting to become reality again. I
said it, just like Eddie Hearn did, someone could get
very badly hurt, and I don't think it'll be aj
but looks like this fight's gonna happen. So you guys,
let me know what you think. What's the percentage you
put on this fight actually happening, and if it does,
what happens in it. I don't have those I mean,
I kind of do. I think everybody kind it does.
Jake's probably gonna get hurt really badly, but we don't know,
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not for sure, until they finalize this thing or until
things actually get set in place. So is Jake gonna
fight Anthony Joshua? I think so, but I don't have
those answers, so I guess we'll find out.
All right, So we are back on the way concept
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presented by the Ring, and today they're actually gonna do this,
aren't they. They really are going to make Jake Paul
versus Anthony Joshua. And it's not just me saying this
as if I want this to happen, because I'm truly
like concerned that Jake Paul is gonna get his actual
head knocked off his shoulders. Now, now, how many people in
this comments section will be like, why is that a concern? Way,
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that's what we want? Well, I think it's probably a
bad precedent, but boxing has already set a ton of
bad precedents, so it may not just be an idea.
It may be reality, and it may be sooner than
you think. What do I mean the breakdown? Let's go,
all right? So Niki Sabderian, Jake Paul's manager and the
(00:47):
co founder of MVP, was on Sky Sports in the
UK today talk about a myriad of things, but the
main thing I wanted to cover today is obviously the
Jake Paul Anthony Joshua rumors and now potentially talk going
on for an actual fight. Like there's a difference between
Jake Paul saying I want to fight Anthony Joshua and
the rest of us kind of being like, uh, all right, bud.
(01:09):
Although I will say I know Jake's delusion, so I
know that when he says it, he actually will fight.
And I think this is the first time and Jake's
boxing career that his delusion will lead him to a
place that's gonna get him seriously injured. Honestly, this is
what I think. I don't understand why they want to
take this fight. Hopefully Nikisa can try to convince me
is to any reason. I'm out of that sweet sweet
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den arrow aka money Akalla dollar bills, y'all. To me,
there is no feasible answer for this, and I think
it's really gonna get Jake hurt. And again, you know,
a lot of people will celebrate that, but I just
don't understand it. So let's take a look at what
Nikisa had to say.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I think the fight can absolutely happen. I'm looking at
it as Jake versus Joshua, which is quite biblical and
it's quite impactful in many ways.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
All Right, So, first off, Nikisa says he looks at
this as Jake versus Joshua, and you know it has
biblical undertones. I don't know the biblical undertones of Jake
versus Joshua. I know Jacob is essentially Israel, I'm pretty
sure in the Bible, or it has something to do
with like the seed of Abraham. I'm not gonna act
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like I'm a biblical historian, but I'm pretty sure I
remember from Sunday School growing up that Jacob is the
name given to I guess what would become Israel, and
then Joshua is like an assistant of Moses who leads
the Israelites at a certain point through Canaan. I think
I could be wrong. Bible knowers let me know down below,
but I'm not sure how if there was ever a
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Jacob versus Joshua thing in the Bible, I know they
both had significance, but I'm not sure the connection there.
But then again, this could just be Nikisa saying Jake
is a side versus Anthony Joshua, and I don't really
know what to make of that. They would be a
massive fight, like if we're talking about who's a bigger
star in boxing. If they do it in the UK,
it's gonna be Anthony Joshua. He is a draw there
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like almost no boxer is here in Eric. I think
he's sold out ninety thousand a couple times out there.
I don't know, but anyway, we keep going.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Get Anthony Joshua. I think he is twenty eight and
four if I'm not mistaken, and two of his losses
are against Alexander Usik. Usik weighed in at two hundred
and twenty pounds for those fights. Jake is not Usick.
A lot more years of experience needed to get to
that level, but Jake walks around between two eight and
two ten, and he fought Mike Tyson at two hundred
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and twenty eight pounds, So I think size wise we
can get comfortable with it. And I think experience wise,
Jake is learning very fast and growing, and Joshua is
a little long in the tooth, So.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
You know, I listen, I'm all for selling it for
your guy. But the reaches here to make any comparison
between Jake Paul and opponent's than Anthony Joshua has had
and also opponents Jake has had, this is like the
Kisa has grown go go gadget arms and he is
stretching to make these reaches. And again it's what he's
(03:58):
supposed to do. I get it right. If his client says, listen,
I want to fight Anthony Joshua, and the KISA says
that's probably not a good idea, and his client says, no,
I want to fight Anthony Joshua. You're not hearing me.
Make it happen. And there's really nothing that KISA can
do other than this. Do I think that he believes
Jake can win. I don't know. I don't think any
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sane person believes Jake can win this fight. If you
have any frontal cortex brain matter, you probably think Jake
has less than one percent chance of winning this fight.
But at the same time, the KISA is doing what
he's supposed to do now as far as what he's saying.
Jake weighed in at two twenty eight to fight Mike Tyson.
Usik waded around two twenties to fight Anthony Joshua. He said,
Jake is clearly not usick, but he's getting experience and
(04:41):
Joshua was a little long in the tooth. Number one
lex und Usa is one of the greatest boxers we've
ever seen. Cruisewade heavyweight two twenty is a little bit
more natural for him at his age to stay at heavyweight,
which is why he's there, but also his ability to
box allows him as an undersized heavyweight in this era.
Lex under Uz in the seventies and the eighties is
(05:02):
not an undersized heavyweight. George Forman in the seventies is
two hundred and twenty something pounds. You know what I'm saying.
Muhammad al Leive was two sixteenth So in those days,
Usik's not undersized. But in the era of the bigger heavyweight,
the two hundred and fifty pound Anthony Joshua, the two
hundred and forty pound uh Daniel Dubois, the two hundred
and ninety pounds almost three hundred pound Tyson Fury, this
(05:22):
era of heavyweight is bigger in Usik even with those
bigger guys, able to still hurt them because of his
boxing ability, his speed, elusiveness, is footwork, all the things
that Jake just doesn't have, at least not anywhere close
to the level of being competitive with one of the
more athletic heavyweights. While no, he doesn't have the greatest feet,
(05:44):
but he has well enough feet to hang with Jake
Paul in a boxing ring. We're talking about Anthony Joshua. Here,
we're not talking about random heavyweight. Jake has sparred in
camp to get ready for fifty eight year old Mike Tyson.
And I just have to say this stuff because it's
you know, if the comparisons are going to be made,
I have to point at the holes in the argument
because that I don't even make them, they're just there,
which is that, Yeah, Okay, Jake was two hundred and
(06:05):
twenty eight pounds for the Mike Tyson fight, but it
was a two minute per round fight and they went
eight rounds. I know that that wasn't because of Jake,
but at the same time, he's not He shouldn't be
at two hundred and twenty eight pounds. Not great for
his body, not that he can't hold the weight, but
if he's going to try to go long rounds against
a power, punching, way younger, fast, explosive heavyweight, you want
to call Anthony Joshua long in the tooth. Jake was
(06:27):
trying to hurt Mike Tyson at least early on in
that fight, and he couldn't do it. And that's fifty
eight year old Mike. And I'm not saying that at
a certain point, Jake didn't let off the gas or whatever.
But I watched him in those first couple of rounds
and he was throwing haymakers, he was throwing kill shots
at Mike Tyson and he couldn't hurt him. I'm not
saying Jake can't knock people out or whatever he doesn't
have power. I think Jake does have some power. But
this is heavyweight we're talking about, and it's just you know,
(06:49):
we just watched him fight against uh Julio Sayser Chivez Junior,
and Chavez was protecting himself, clearly did not want to fight.
Apparently he was using it as a way to just
avoid ICE agents for a couple more days that it
turned himself in. But the point I'm making is Jake
can intimidate a guy like Chavez with his size, with
his speed, with his power and make him go, hey,
(07:10):
you know what, maybe I don't want to fight this
kid and take any risk. Anthony Joshua is used to
fighting the bigger level of heavyweights, and it's fought the
most skilled heavyweight there is, and in the second fight
looked a little better than some other guys have Against
Usak Nikisa has to say what he has to say
to make this plausible to even talk about doing, let
alone starting to actually build toward the fight. But it's
(07:31):
just I don't see it.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Man. Could be a very interesting matchup, and we're actively
discussing it with Matroum in.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Terms of those adds A discussions, how far things progress.
Is it something that you can see happening next for
Jake and for AJ.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I think we're looking at it happening in Q one
of twenty twenty six is kind of the current discussion.
I think it's public that Aj was taking a little
time away. Think you got a little surgery. So once
he's ready, and once Jake is ready, we're gonna squarely
focus on that.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
This is what I'm talking about, Dude, Like this has
gone past the point of, well, you know, we may
want it to happen. We even had Turkey Alla Shaik saying, listen,
I'll make the fight. I'll put the fight on because
Turkey is so invested in it. He's so sure that
Anthony Josh was gonna beat Jake. He called it a
ninety nine percent to one percent fight. Because he likes
to put on fifty to fifty fights, right, fights that
(08:20):
people want to see fights that make the most sense
and are the most competitive. He's not even trying to
hide the fact that he thinks this is a ninety
nine to one and he wants it to happen. So
he's done with the Jake Paul problem. That's what he said.
I respect the honesty. And if you're looking for AJ
to have a build up fight, which is what everybody's saying,
fight to kind of get him back on the horse
before potentially finally hopefully going into the Tyson Fury fight.
(08:41):
Would you rather him fight Tony Yoka or would you
rather him fight an almost guaranteed win in Jake Paul.
I mean again, it's just it boggles my mind that
this can even happen.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
How much of a worry is that we so hated
too in Ghannon.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So power is obviously the last thing to go. So
obviously AJ has a ton of power, and he's still
fairly young. Mike Tyson much more vicious of a knockout
artist than Anthony Joshua, much older than AJ. But that
was a risk that Jake was willing to take.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
No, Na, we just can't. We can't do these kind
of comparisons. You just can't. Mike was fifty eight years old,
and yes, what Nikisa's saying is true when you add context,
which is in his prime or even fairly in the
back end of his prime and out of his prime,
(09:31):
like in the part of his life where he was
completely gone from boxing and gone to prison, come back
strung out, out of shape. Mike even then was probably
a naturally harder, vicious, knockout puncher than AJ has continued
to be. But that's not even what Mike is now.
(09:51):
We're talking twenty five years after that, twenty five years
after the worst parts of Mike Tyson as a professional.
AJ's not even as washed as Mike was at the
end of his career, like Mike was washed wak at
the end of his actual pro boxing run.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
It.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I mean, he wasn't powerful. But the comparison being made
is like Mike Tyson was anywhere near the threat that
we're talking about here. It wasn't even close. Like, yeah,
Mike had a shot of hurting Jake, and it was
looked at as somewhat competitive because of Mike's age. We
don't look at this fight as competitive because AJ is
a bad mother When his mind is in a boxing match. Now,
(10:26):
if he shows up like he showed up against Daniel Dubois,
or shows up like he showed up against Andy Ruiz
the second fight, even though he won the fight, it
was the most hesitant, just get through it type of fight.
If he shows up like that or you know, I
don't know, like the the USIK one fight, then yeah,
we may have a real issue here. Like if AJ's
not focused and he's just doing it whatever and often
(10:47):
la la land, then yeah they may have a problem
because Aj, when he's not locked in just four goes
all boxing and just wings it and bad shit happens
to him. But if he showed up with any ounce
of respect, any ounce of dignity, any ounce of just
I am going to prove that I'm a professional. And
you can't just walk into this sport and call out
(11:10):
a high level heavyweight as someone that's not even a
true heavyweight and think you're going to win, then he'll
absolutely flatline Jake. So when Akisa is saying stuff like, yeah,
you know, Jake knw going in there with Mike was
a risk, you're talking like a ninety five or ninety
six percent increase in risk now versus what you were
talking about against Mike Tyson. It's not even close.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Francis Longano amazing MMA fighter, very powerful man, not an
experienced boxer, right, a lot less experience than Jake Paul.
So if people were comfortable with Francis getting in there
with AJ, Jake who is now thirteen fights in plus
one amateur fight, a lot less than AJ, but much
more than Francis Longano, I think we're very comfortable with it. Ultimately,
(11:52):
it's not a fight that I want Jake to do.
It's a fight that Jake wants to do, and that's
a discussion we've had at length, and he feels very
confident about where he is in his career and his
chances of upsetting Anthony Joshua.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I mean, listen, that end part is a fair point,
Like you know, Nikisa has to understand the words coming
out of his mouth, or like, listen, I'm trying to
do my best to convince you guys of like why
Jake thinks he can win this fight. But I'm gonna
be the first to tell you I didn't want this
fight for I don't know how to even read that,
but I agree with that part to be like, hey, listen,
this is not my choice. In fact, I did not
(12:24):
want him fighting Anthony Joshua. But we talked and talked
and I tried to He's not saying it, but he's
like I tried to tell him, this is probably not
the best idea, tried to talk to him, maybe, tried
to talk him out of it, and Jake's just not budging.
But again, the comparisons are what I have to go
back to. Here. You're talking about Francis and Ganu, who, yes,
should not have been in a ring with Anthony Joshua
as quick as he was, shouldn't have been in a
(12:45):
ring as quick as he was with Tyson Fury either,
But the styles make matchups, and like Nikisa said, Francis
is a ridiculously strong puncher, a gifted athlete, a freak
of nature. Now, yeah, Jake has better skills, and he
has more experienced and he has thirteen fights and all
that's great, But the same things that plagued Francis potentially
(13:06):
and almost certainly can plague Jake Paul is inexperience at heavyweight,
not just in boxing, but at heavyweight, and having to
adjust with a man like aj who is powerful and
is a bit faster than the other heavyweights outside of USA,
cracking you with a shot that's set up that he
actually uses his jab to create. If AJ again shows
up in any kind of proper form and you get
(13:27):
that Aj the night he fought Francis, it's going to
be a train ring.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Think about disrupting the sport and getting those eyeballs on it.
Jake versus AJ, or Jake versus Joshua, as you call
it at Wembley perhaps sounds pretty good to us. Would
that be the dream venue for a fight like that?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I think we're looking at multiple options. Wembley's definitely a possibility.
Jake has said he'd like to do it there. He
likes the idea of going in and hearing ninety thousand
people booing him. He kind of feeds off of that.
But we're looking at the US obviously. Saudi Arabia is
also an option in the Middle East as an option as
a whole, but we want to do it in the
most impactful way possible.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Now listen again, this as a spectacle is going to
draw ridiculous amounts of viewership and for the spectacle of it,
because that's what we're agreeing to. This being as we
go into it. Everybody knows this. It'll be an event,
it'll be a spectacle, it'll be must watch for reasons
that probably aren't usually the must watch reasons of boxing.
(14:24):
Just like Mike Tyson and Jake was. It was a
weird kind of circus clash and that's okay again, I'm
watching this shit. I'm intrigued by it. I want to
see and with Turkey Ola Shake if he's going to
be involved, and I know he said he wants to be,
I think the right idea is to do this in
the UK, do it in Andy Joshua's backyard, do it
at Wimbley R ninety thousand, eighty thousand, whatever it's going
to be. That's the story. And it really sucks to
(14:47):
me that it's not going to be Jake and Ksi
at Wimbley because that's really the story. That's the one
that honestly should have happened. For those that are not
familiar with the crossover influencer side, that's the fight that's
been on the books and off the books and should
have happened and could have happened and didn't happen. But regardless,
US versus UK always sells and especially when someone is
(15:07):
hated as Jake by the UK audience comes into their
backyard and they have a guy that they love and
Anthony Joshua it's a recipe he made in Boxing Spectacle Heaven.
I guess all right, So that's the Kisa talking about
the fight. Now, if that wasn't enough to convince you
that this thing is probably going to happen more likely
than not, I'm saying, I mean, if I'm putting percentages
(15:27):
on it, unless AJ's team and I saw Ben Davidson.
I don't know if he's still coaching AJ, but I
know he was AJ's coach talking about he didn't want
to see AJ do that. He doesn't he would rather
AJ take more credible fights. And that's also a fair
point and one that a lot of people are also
going to hang on to and say, yeah, we would
rather see him fight Tony Yoka or somebody else. I
have to wait, Yce in fury. I don't know whoever
(15:48):
else outside of something like that happening. I'm putting this
at like a seventy thirty thing. And again, these are
just my percentages. The way this conversation's going, the way
if you read in between the lines of what AJ's
saying by way, what Eddie Hearn is saying about you know, yeah,
we'll sign it. Yeah, let's do it right now. Yeah,
they want it. Jake wants it. I don't think Nikisa actually,
I don't know if that's something that he wants. But
(16:10):
he's gonna do right by his client, or at least
do what his client's asking him to do. And then
you have this, which again just is more ammo, more
fuel to the fire for me. This was I think
on Instagram. I'm assuming this was from the Sky Sports interview.
Some random on Instagram commented underneath it instead, imagine losing
to Tommy Fury then thinking you have a chance to
upset Joshua, which is a fair point. I mean, Jake
(16:33):
fought Tommy Fury at what one hundred and eighty five
pounds and lost. That was a long time ago. Jake's
had a lot of experience since then, xyz. But you
can see why the idea of him beating Joshua is
fucking insane to most people with a brain. But Nikisa
don't like Random's coming at his boy like that, so
he comments underneath it. Imagine being twenty eight buying a
(16:55):
home for forty million freaking massive flex pocket watch to
the I don't even know if Jake an noowsd it
was of forty million dollar home, putting on the biggest
event in women's boxing history, fighting in the most viewed
boxing event since Ali, and then fighting AJ soon after.
Oh actually, don't imagine it, Jake Paul did it. So again,
I don't know how many of you guys talk like
(17:17):
this when you're just wondering about a fight, when you're
just negotiating about a fight, when you're just in talks
about a fight, saying things like, imagine you were fighting
in the biggest most viewed boxing event since Ali, then
fought AJ soon after. Oh wait, don't imagine it, Jake
Paul did it. This is almost a guarantee. Maybe Nicky's
is getting ahead of himself a little bit and just
(17:38):
adding things in to hit back at a troll, But
that seems like almost a freaking done deep that seems
like they're they're this is what's gonna be happening. So again,
I'm not trying to over exaggerate. I'm not trying to
read too much into stuff. I'm literally just reading the
words that are in front of me and listening to
what's being said, I can't believe it. But they're actually
gonna do this shit. This is insane. They're going to
(17:59):
do this fight. I think it's a bad idea for Jake.
I do and I'm not even trying to like shit
on the fight because again I'm gonna wat but I
just think it's it's there's a no win situation outside
of money, and sure it'll be a big event, but
if Jake's goals are to be a world champion, which okay,
we'll see, I'm still bearish on that. But if that's
the goal outside of the putting on the big events thing,
(18:21):
how do you get to that? If you don't get
past aj and he really does a number on you,
I have no idea. And again, is the money worth
that kind of risk to not only this fight but
the future. I don't think so. But comment section, you
tell me if I'm crazy. It seems like it's it's
starting to tilt one way. What was kind of a
joke or at least seem like that only a few
(18:41):
months ago, is now starting to become reality again. I
said it, just like Eddie Hearn did, someone could get
very badly hurt, and I don't think it'll be aj
but looks like this fight's gonna happen. So you guys,
let me know what you think. What's the percentage you
put on this fight actually happening, and if it does,
what happens in it. I don't have those I mean,
I kind of do. I think everybody kind it does.
Jake's probably gonna get hurt really badly, but we don't know,
(19:02):
not for sure, until they finalize this thing or until
things actually get set in place. So is Jake gonna
fight Anthony Joshua? I think so, but I don't have
those answers, so I guess we'll find out.
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