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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, so we're back on the way concept presented
(00:02):
by The Ring magazine and folks, I just watched Many Pacyow.
That's right, eight division world champion and forty six year
old Many Pacyao off a three year layoff, Mani Pacyao
off a loss before the three year layoff, Many Pakyo
go to a majority draw with a world champion in
(00:24):
a title fight in twenty twenty five. What the fuck
just happened? The breakdown? Let's go so, like I said,
Manny Pacyow twenty twenty five, fighting for a world championship
is not something you expect me to hear, number one,
especially off the three year layoff, especially at one hundred
(00:45):
and forty seven, especially off a loss, and especially not
going to a majority draw. This is a win for
many Pakyaw. I'm just gonna say it. Tonight. He fought
Mario Barrios on PBC on Amazon Prime Video for WBC
World Championship. Mario Barrios, I like the guy, but it
has to be said, when you have two of your
(01:07):
last title defenses ending in a split draw and a
majority draw, you may be the worst title holder in
boxing right now. I'm sorry, that's not comparing him to
being a shitty boxer. It's just saying that as of
right now, he might be the worst world champion in boxing.
It may be one of the worst I've seen in
a while. Also, kind of unrelated, this kind of looks
(01:29):
bad for Tank Davis's record because that was supposed to
be a stalwart win on Tank's career when he moved
up to one forty and beat Barrios for the belt there.
But now it's not looking so good because forty six
year old Manny pac Yaw just went to a majority draw,
and you can argue that Manny pack Yao should have
won the fight and was winning up until the later rounds.
Let's talk about it. So, like I said, many Pakiao
(01:51):
off the three year layoff, forty six didn't look great
against Ugus in his last one. You had to think, okay, well,
Marios beat Ugus kind of decisive. This is gonna go
one way and one way only Brios, potentially by stoppage
or decision. That's not what happened. Brios was so tentative
in this fight. He was essentially standing there for some
(02:12):
of the exchanges. Manny Pakyaw came out and did what
Manny Pacyow does. By the way, credit to Manny. At
forty six, he still had some feet. He was moving,
dancing on Mario Barrios. He was throwing combination punches going
forward on Mario Barrios. And when he wasn't doing that,
he was countering Mario Barrios, who looked like a stick
(02:33):
in the mud. He looked like he couldn't even get
out of first gear because Manny was hitting with combinations.
Were they're hurting super bad? Maybe not. Some of them
definitely were had a mouse under the eye of Mario Barrios,
but others were just flurries and they were keeping Brios
at bay. And when Barrios was throwing one, Pakiao was
throwing three. When Barrios would throw out his jab, Manny
would counter with his lead right hand, stepping on the
(02:55):
inside plane, doing all the old Manny shit. It was
pretty cool, and honestly, even with the majority draw, it's
a win for Manny because damn if he can do
that off a three year layoff at forty six, that's
pretty telling for one where the sport of boxing is.
When your world champ can't beat forty six year old
politician Manny Pacyao. But two, just how great he was
(03:17):
eight division world champions, started his career at one oh
six I think comes up to one forty seven. What
are we talking about? But yeah, in this fight, it
was it was crazy to see Many still had some feet,
he still had some pop in his hands, he still
had the combinations, he still had the variety. There were
points in this fight, especially early on, where Barrios just
looked so tentative and it almost looked like he was
(03:39):
overthinking what was pretty simple. If he just threw his hands,
if he just put together some combinations and was the
bully in there to a much smaller, much more fragile
Manny Pacquiao, then he maybe even could have stopped Many,
but for sure could have put him on the back foot,
for sure, could have stopped a lot of the combinations,
and for sure would not have gone to a majority draw.
(04:02):
In the corner between rounds, you're hearing Bob Santos, his
head coach, telling Mario Barrios, stop giving him so much respect,
do not respect him, go out there and execute, and
it was just like a block in Barrios's mind. Granted,
some of that is because pakiaw was fainting and giving
him some different looks and level changing and getting to
his body and following up with the left hand upstairs.
(04:25):
But that was also because of Barrios's hesitation. Every time
Manny went forward, Barrios would stand there, flat footed, high
guard and just take punishment. It was bizarre to watch
because you're holding the WBC belt. This shouldn't have even
been sanctioned to be honest in the first place, but
it's an indictment at the highest level of alter weight
when drawn boots Ennis is not involved, honestly, because that
(04:46):
right there is rough to watch. If you're a Barrios fan,
if you're a many pakiav fan, this is a fantastic
night and you could even argue maybe he should have
got the belt. But I think where this fight became
more close was in the li rounds when Pakiao, obviously
close to being an AARP member, was going to slow down.
And if your game plan, if your Mario Barrios, is
(05:08):
to go okay, I'm just gonna outlast him. Eventually he's
gonna slow down. One It's psychotic to me to even
think I'll wait for the forty six year old to
slow down in the later rounds. I'm gonna go and
do what I should do as a champion and go
after this guy. Respect be damned. It's a world championship fight.
I saw some people saying, Oh, he's carrying Manny out
of respect. Excuse me, that's a sitting world champion. Your
(05:29):
respect for Manny means you give him the same treatment
you give anybody else coming for the belt. And again,
Mario is coming off a split draw in his last fight,
so it kind of makes sense this is the performance
he'd have. But yeah, this was just not a great
a great night for Mario Barrios, Like the worst way
you want to retain your belt by doing the least
amount possible offensively. I saw him say he was throwing
like four hundred punches. I don't know where the stats
(05:51):
from PBC came from, but I did not see him
throwing four hundred, five hundred punches unless they were like
tippy tap, little touch punches, but nothing to get Manny
to stop a forward onslaught in the middle rounds. It
was like rounds one and two Manny three, Barrios, maybe
four and five. Many took his foot off the gas
a little bit but still probably won one of those.
(06:13):
Then Manny comes back in round six and has new life.
Seven and eight look like they're also going Manny's way,
so Barrios needs to start really ramping things up in
nine through twelve, And while he didn't ramp things up,
Many eventually tired and Barrios was able to just take
care of dead space because well, Manny wasn't throwing, and
Barrios wasn't throwing, so he might as well throw his
(06:34):
commodations then. But it took until the tenth round to
really see Mario Barrios come out of first gear and
really see him try to go after and throw some
combination punches at Manny Pakiao. Again, credit to Manny, he
was able to stick in there when some of those
shots looked like they could have put him out. He
got hit with some hooks and some right hands that
kind of made him do a little bit of the
jumping rabbit dance, but eventually he found his way through it,
(06:57):
and he found his way to a decision here, and
even in the last few moments of the fight, Many
still had those veteran tendencies and at the last points
of all the rounds, really he would find ways to
either steal rounds or look good on the judge's scorecard.
And yeah, some of that was gonna be swayed by
the crowd, right of course, Manny was gonna have a
ton of supporters, so anything he threw, if it even
looked like it landed, they were gonna go crazy. And
I kind of half expected for Manny to get that
(07:20):
reception to a fault, but ironically he was actually landing.
He was actually throwing punches that were landing flush on
Mario Barrios that were getting those reactions. It was beautiful
to watch him go back to the corner and Freddie
Roach give him instruction and him come out like a
freaking bad out of hell and go after Barrios. It
was awesome to watch on that front. But then you
have to cope with the realization that he just did
(07:42):
that to a sitting world champion. And I don't really
know which one to feel better or worse about. Do
I feel great that Manny still is is great at
forty six years old. He may not be as great
as he was, but he's still showing these young bups
how it's done. Or am I a little bit embarrassed
that the sport has regressed to a sitting world champion
being that bad that he has a a majority draw
with a forty six year old man off a three
(08:02):
year layoff. I don't know, but I will say it
was fun to watch Manny as much as I was
against the fight happening and going, man, Man, he's forty six.
This is dangerous, and I guess literally anybody else holding
that belt it probably would have been far more dangerous.
The Barrios couldn't get out of first gear, and Mandy
showed up in shape, ready to fight, as in shape
(08:23):
as he could be at forty six. His calves look
like most people's squad muscles. For God's sakes, he was
bouncing around. It was incredible, So that part of it
was I was super pumped about, and it did give
you a feeling of, like, you know, for people like
myself that maybe he didn't appreciate man being a smaller
guy even though he was an eight division world champion,
maybe didn't get to see some of his best moments
(08:44):
until later on after the fight. To see him live
do that at his age, you get a bit of
an appreciation for how grad he was just by seeing
how good he is right now, and I think that's
something special. And the kids that are younger than that
are watching this sport and never got to see a
Many Pakiao fight, getting to see him and understand why
their parents, whether they're you know, Filipino or just fans
(09:04):
of boxing in general, we're so pro Many, We're such
big Many fans. That's a cool moment. But yeah, I
don't really know how that happened again other than just
Mario Barrios just just really bottling it tonight and Manny
showing up way better than Barrios either thought or was
prepared for. And that, again, I think is more of
an indictment on a world champion that it is Manny Pacio.
(09:27):
Congrats to Manny for going the twelve, for getting a
majority draw out of it the way I scored it. Yeah,
I could have seen a draw coming because I thought
Barrios did come to life finally in round ten eleven
twelve he finally decided to put some offense together. But
you know, it could have Honestly, it could have been
a draw. It could have been seven to five man
he could have been seven five Barrios. I don't really
(09:48):
care the fact that it was that close. He's embarrassing
for Barrios, honestly, and again it's a tribute to how
good Many is. But as far as where everybody goes
from here, I don't know. I have no idea. I
hope Manny is if he's gonna fight again, have it
Floyd Mayweather. And if that's the case, listen, I'm not
gonna sit here and lie to you guys and act
like I'm not gonna watch that fight, because I absolutely will.
If Floyd still thinks he's got some stuff left in
(10:09):
the tank, and clearly Many still does, and Floyd's been
doing the exhibitions, He's technically kind of been more active
than Many has over the last three years, and I say,
run it. You know what I'm saying. Someone's gonna have
a bag out there to throw at both of them,
and it's better than sticking well. Listen, maybe Floyd comes
back and fights Barrios because he saw how good Many
did against him. I don't know, but it's better than
trying to stick either of them in with with real dangerous,
(10:33):
world level competition that isn't Barrios, because I think that
was a one off. I don't think you stick Manny
in there with the fucking heavy hitters at forty seven.
I mean, for god's sakes, can we imagine many Pakiaws
gets stuck in there with Jeron boots Innis before he
moved to fifty four? Can we imagine, right, Brian Norman Junior?
For god's sakes, Devin Haney. You know, so it's like, no,
(10:54):
let's not do that. Let's have Manny and Floyd. If
they're gonna do it. I don't even care if it's
an exhibition or a prof who cares. Floyd's not gonna
want to do a pro fight because the undefeated record,
But I'll watch it. Watching Manny look as good as
he looked, I'm sold. If you want to do Floyd
and Manny, I'm on board. I'm watching that shit now.
Mario Barrios, I do not care. There's got to be
something he needs to do better. As a world champion
(11:15):
holding the WBC belt. Your last two fights and your
two title defenses have been split draw and majority draw
against two people that you should not be going to
draws with Abel Ramos Is twenty six and twenty eight
and six fighting for a world title after going two
and three to get to the belt. Manny is three
years off, coming off the loss, forty six years old,
at a weight class he shouldn't even be at, and
(11:36):
he takes you to a draw. There needs to be
some big changes for Mario Barrios is the point. So
I'm not really sure what to do with him next.
But that was special to watch, a moment in time
that I will not forget, mainly because of Manny, but
partly because of just wow, Mario Marios Jesus. But anyway,
like I said, I think that Manny and Floyd at
this point, I'm sold, go ahead, do it. Do it
(11:57):
this year. I'm not sure where. I'm not sure how,
but somebody is gonna do it. The rematch, even if
it is an exhibition. I'll watch it. But as far
as what happens next for Barrios, I don't know. All
I'll say is only in twenty twenty five, in this simulation,
in this multiverse that we live in, can Many Pakiao
walk back into the sport of boxing at forty six
off the layoff, off the loss and almost become world
(12:18):
title be one maybe two rounds away becoming world champion.
That is great, but it almost happened. Tonight majority draw
many Pacquiao returns to the sport. Will he stay or
will he go? I don't have those answers, so I
guess we'll find out
All right, so we're back on the way concept presented
(00:02):
by The Ring magazine and folks, I just watched Many Pacyow.
That's right, eight division world champion and forty six year
old Many Pacyao off a three year layoff, Mani Pacyao
off a loss before the three year layoff, Many Pakyo
go to a majority draw with a world champion in
(00:24):
a title fight in twenty twenty five. What the fuck
just happened? The breakdown? Let's go so, like I said,
Manny Pacyow twenty twenty five, fighting for a world championship
is not something you expect me to hear, number one,
especially off the three year layoff, especially at one hundred
(00:45):
and forty seven, especially off a loss, and especially not
going to a majority draw. This is a win for
many Pakyaw. I'm just gonna say it. Tonight. He fought
Mario Barrios on PBC on Amazon Prime Video for WBC
World Championship. Mario Barrios, I like the guy, but it
has to be said, when you have two of your
(01:07):
last title defenses ending in a split draw and a
majority draw, you may be the worst title holder in
boxing right now. I'm sorry, that's not comparing him to
being a shitty boxer. It's just saying that as of
right now, he might be the worst world champion in boxing.
It may be one of the worst I've seen in
a while. Also, kind of unrelated, this kind of looks
(01:29):
bad for Tank Davis's record because that was supposed to
be a stalwart win on Tank's career when he moved
up to one forty and beat Barrios for the belt there.
But now it's not looking so good because forty six
year old Manny pac Yaw just went to a majority draw,
and you can argue that Manny pack Yao should have
won the fight and was winning up until the later rounds.
Let's talk about it. So, like I said, many Pakiao
(01:51):
off the three year layoff, forty six didn't look great
against Ugus in his last one. You had to think, okay, well,
Marios beat Ugus kind of decisive. This is gonna go
one way and one way only Brios, potentially by stoppage
or decision. That's not what happened. Brios was so tentative
in this fight. He was essentially standing there for some
(02:12):
of the exchanges. Manny Pakyaw came out and did what
Manny Pacyow does. By the way, credit to Manny. At
forty six, he still had some feet. He was moving,
dancing on Mario Barrios. He was throwing combination punches going
forward on Mario Barrios. And when he wasn't doing that,
he was countering Mario Barrios, who looked like a stick
(02:33):
in the mud. He looked like he couldn't even get
out of first gear because Manny was hitting with combinations.
Were they're hurting super bad? Maybe not. Some of them
definitely were had a mouse under the eye of Mario Barrios,
but others were just flurries and they were keeping Brios
at bay. And when Barrios was throwing one, Pakiao was
throwing three. When Barrios would throw out his jab, Manny
would counter with his lead right hand, stepping on the
(02:55):
inside plane, doing all the old Manny shit. It was
pretty cool, and honestly, even with the majority draw, it's
a win for Manny because damn if he can do
that off a three year layoff at forty six, that's
pretty telling for one where the sport of boxing is.
When your world champ can't beat forty six year old
politician Manny Pacyao. But two, just how great he was
(03:17):
eight division world champions, started his career at one oh
six I think comes up to one forty seven. What
are we talking about? But yeah, in this fight, it
was it was crazy to see Many still had some feet,
he still had some pop in his hands, he still
had the combinations, he still had the variety. There were
points in this fight, especially early on, where Barrios just
looked so tentative and it almost looked like he was
(03:39):
overthinking what was pretty simple. If he just threw his hands,
if he just put together some combinations and was the
bully in there to a much smaller, much more fragile
Manny Pacquiao, then he maybe even could have stopped Many,
but for sure could have put him on the back foot,
for sure, could have stopped a lot of the combinations,
and for sure would not have gone to a majority draw.
(04:02):
In the corner between rounds, you're hearing Bob Santos, his
head coach, telling Mario Barrios, stop giving him so much respect,
do not respect him, go out there and execute, and
it was just like a block in Barrios's mind. Granted,
some of that is because pakiaw was fainting and giving
him some different looks and level changing and getting to
his body and following up with the left hand upstairs.
(04:25):
But that was also because of Barrios's hesitation. Every time
Manny went forward, Barrios would stand there, flat footed, high
guard and just take punishment. It was bizarre to watch
because you're holding the WBC belt. This shouldn't have even
been sanctioned to be honest in the first place, but
it's an indictment at the highest level of alter weight
when drawn boots Ennis is not involved, honestly, because that
(04:46):
right there is rough to watch. If you're a Barrios fan,
if you're a many pakiav fan, this is a fantastic
night and you could even argue maybe he should have
got the belt. But I think where this fight became
more close was in the li rounds when Pakiao, obviously
close to being an AARP member, was going to slow down.
And if your game plan, if your Mario Barrios, is
(05:08):
to go okay, I'm just gonna outlast him. Eventually he's
gonna slow down. One It's psychotic to me to even
think I'll wait for the forty six year old to
slow down in the later rounds. I'm gonna go and
do what I should do as a champion and go
after this guy. Respect be damned. It's a world championship fight.
I saw some people saying, Oh, he's carrying Manny out
of respect. Excuse me, that's a sitting world champion. Your
(05:29):
respect for Manny means you give him the same treatment
you give anybody else coming for the belt. And again,
Mario is coming off a split draw in his last fight,
so it kind of makes sense this is the performance
he'd have. But yeah, this was just not a great
a great night for Mario Barrios, Like the worst way
you want to retain your belt by doing the least
amount possible offensively. I saw him say he was throwing
like four hundred punches. I don't know where the stats
(05:51):
from PBC came from, but I did not see him
throwing four hundred, five hundred punches unless they were like
tippy tap, little touch punches, but nothing to get Manny
to stop a forward onslaught in the middle rounds. It
was like rounds one and two Manny three, Barrios, maybe
four and five. Many took his foot off the gas
a little bit but still probably won one of those.
(06:13):
Then Manny comes back in round six and has new life.
Seven and eight look like they're also going Manny's way,
so Barrios needs to start really ramping things up in
nine through twelve, And while he didn't ramp things up,
Many eventually tired and Barrios was able to just take
care of dead space because well, Manny wasn't throwing, and
Barrios wasn't throwing, so he might as well throw his
(06:34):
commodations then. But it took until the tenth round to
really see Mario Barrios come out of first gear and
really see him try to go after and throw some
combination punches at Manny Pakiao. Again, credit to Manny, he
was able to stick in there when some of those
shots looked like they could have put him out. He
got hit with some hooks and some right hands that
kind of made him do a little bit of the
jumping rabbit dance, but eventually he found his way through it,
(06:57):
and he found his way to a decision here, and
even in the last few moments of the fight, Many
still had those veteran tendencies and at the last points
of all the rounds, really he would find ways to
either steal rounds or look good on the judge's scorecard.
And yeah, some of that was gonna be swayed by
the crowd, right of course, Manny was gonna have a
ton of supporters, so anything he threw, if it even
looked like it landed, they were gonna go crazy. And
I kind of half expected for Manny to get that
(07:20):
reception to a fault, but ironically he was actually landing.
He was actually throwing punches that were landing flush on
Mario Barrios that were getting those reactions. It was beautiful
to watch him go back to the corner and Freddie
Roach give him instruction and him come out like a
freaking bad out of hell and go after Barrios. It
was awesome to watch on that front. But then you
have to cope with the realization that he just did
(07:42):
that to a sitting world champion. And I don't really
know which one to feel better or worse about. Do
I feel great that Manny still is is great at
forty six years old. He may not be as great
as he was, but he's still showing these young bups
how it's done. Or am I a little bit embarrassed
that the sport has regressed to a sitting world champion
being that bad that he has a a majority draw
with a forty six year old man off a three
(08:02):
year layoff. I don't know, but I will say it
was fun to watch Manny as much as I was
against the fight happening and going, man, Man, he's forty six.
This is dangerous, and I guess literally anybody else holding
that belt it probably would have been far more dangerous.
The Barrios couldn't get out of first gear, and Mandy
showed up in shape, ready to fight, as in shape
(08:23):
as he could be at forty six. His calves look
like most people's squad muscles. For God's sakes, he was
bouncing around. It was incredible, So that part of it
was I was super pumped about, and it did give
you a feeling of, like, you know, for people like
myself that maybe he didn't appreciate man being a smaller
guy even though he was an eight division world champion,
maybe didn't get to see some of his best moments
(08:44):
until later on after the fight. To see him live
do that at his age, you get a bit of
an appreciation for how grad he was just by seeing
how good he is right now, and I think that's
something special. And the kids that are younger than that
are watching this sport and never got to see a
Many Pakiao fight, getting to see him and understand why
their parents, whether they're you know, Filipino or just fans
(09:04):
of boxing in general, we're so pro Many, We're such
big Many fans. That's a cool moment. But yeah, I
don't really know how that happened again other than just
Mario Barrios just just really bottling it tonight and Manny
showing up way better than Barrios either thought or was
prepared for. And that, again, I think is more of
an indictment on a world champion that it is Manny Pacio.
(09:27):
Congrats to Manny for going the twelve, for getting a
majority draw out of it the way I scored it. Yeah,
I could have seen a draw coming because I thought
Barrios did come to life finally in round ten eleven
twelve he finally decided to put some offense together. But
you know, it could have Honestly, it could have been
a draw. It could have been seven to five man
he could have been seven five Barrios. I don't really
(09:48):
care the fact that it was that close. He's embarrassing
for Barrios, honestly, and again it's a tribute to how
good Many is. But as far as where everybody goes
from here, I don't know. I have no idea. I
hope Manny is if he's gonna fight again, have it
Floyd Mayweather. And if that's the case, listen, I'm not
gonna sit here and lie to you guys and act
like I'm not gonna watch that fight, because I absolutely will.
If Floyd still thinks he's got some stuff left in
(10:09):
the tank, and clearly Many still does, and Floyd's been
doing the exhibitions, He's technically kind of been more active
than Many has over the last three years, and I say,
run it. You know what I'm saying. Someone's gonna have
a bag out there to throw at both of them,
and it's better than sticking well. Listen, maybe Floyd comes
back and fights Barrios because he saw how good Many
did against him. I don't know, but it's better than
trying to stick either of them in with with real dangerous,
(10:33):
world level competition that isn't Barrios, because I think that
was a one off. I don't think you stick Manny
in there with the fucking heavy hitters at forty seven.
I mean, for god's sakes, can we imagine many Pakiaws
gets stuck in there with Jeron boots Innis before he
moved to fifty four? Can we imagine, right, Brian Norman Junior?
For god's sakes, Devin Haney. You know, so it's like, no,
(10:54):
let's not do that. Let's have Manny and Floyd. If
they're gonna do it. I don't even care if it's
an exhibition or a prof who cares. Floyd's not gonna
want to do a pro fight because the undefeated record,
But I'll watch it. Watching Manny look as good as
he looked, I'm sold. If you want to do Floyd
and Manny, I'm on board. I'm watching that shit now.
Mario Barrios, I do not care. There's got to be
something he needs to do better. As a world champion
(11:15):
holding the WBC belt. Your last two fights and your
two title defenses have been split draw and majority draw
against two people that you should not be going to
draws with Abel Ramos Is twenty six and twenty eight
and six fighting for a world title after going two
and three to get to the belt. Manny is three
years off, coming off the loss, forty six years old,
at a weight class he shouldn't even be at, and
(11:36):
he takes you to a draw. There needs to be
some big changes for Mario Barrios is the point. So
I'm not really sure what to do with him next.
But that was special to watch, a moment in time
that I will not forget, mainly because of Manny, but
partly because of just wow, Mario Marios Jesus. But anyway,
like I said, I think that Manny and Floyd at
this point, I'm sold, go ahead, do it. Do it
(11:57):
this year. I'm not sure where. I'm not sure how,
but somebody is gonna do it. The rematch, even if
it is an exhibition. I'll watch it. But as far
as what happens next for Barrios, I don't know. All
I'll say is only in twenty twenty five, in this simulation,
in this multiverse that we live in, can Many Pakiao
walk back into the sport of boxing at forty six
off the layoff, off the loss and almost become world
(12:18):
title be one maybe two rounds away becoming world champion.
That is great, but it almost happened. Tonight majority draw
many Pacquiao returns to the sport. Will he stay or
will he go? I don't have those answers, so I
guess we'll find out
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