August 12, 2025 • 15 mins
Make no mistake Dillian Whyte is a TOUGH TEST For Moses Itauma.. Which Should tell you how special I think Moses is. This fight will PROVE Why He's Usyk's BIGGEST Threat. Let's Talk.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, So we are back on the way concept
(00:02):
presented by The Ring magazine. I am in North Carolina
taking a little bit of a trip before I get
into a ton of boxing commentary later this month. But
today I wanted to talk to you guys about to
fight coming up on Saturday. The best prospect that the
UK heavyweight scene has seen in a very long time.
Moses Atalma is taking his biggest step up in competition.
(00:24):
He's taken on Dillion White in a fight that I
think is getting looked at the wrong way, but can
also be a launching point for the Moses Atalma era
if and only if he overcomes his biggest challenge.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
What do I mean the breakdown? Let's go all right?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
So, like I said, Moses Atalma this Saturday in Riad,
Saudi Arabia taken on Dillion White. Dillion White, who is
I think what you would consider now honestly a bit
of a gatekeeper at heavyweight, not because he is in
top of the world talent, because he is, but he's
thirty seven years old. He does have a couple losses
coming off of four fight win streak though, and does
(01:02):
have wins over two wins over Derek Jazora, has a
win over Joseph Parker, has beaten some big names at
heavyweight and has fought pretty much everyone at heavyweight outside
of USIX. So I tried true test and more than that,
more than a test for Moses of Talma, a real
top five, top ten guy at heavyweight that can test
(01:22):
him and put him in position to be talked about
as one of the best in the world. Because the
only people that have beaten Dillion White, Povetkin he avenged
that loss, Anthony Joshua, who's looked at as one of
the current generations better UK heavyweights, Tyson Fury probably this generation's.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Best UK heavyweight.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Those the only three guys that have beaten Million White.
So Moses the Talma this Saturday has a chance to
put himself and we're gonna talk about pushing him too far,
too quickly, but he's twenty years old and he has
a chance to put himself in the same conversation as
an Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury strictly off of this fight,
not an entire body of work, not what they've done
in their careers, not the titles they've hell. But I
(02:00):
am specifically talking about the level of boxer he can
be and maybe already is at twenty, and this fight
is important for a ton of reasons. Number One, everyone
is looking at this as Moses Atalma's coming out part, and.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It very well could be that. But let's not forget
again Dillian White.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yes he's thirty seven, Yes he has lost to the
top level guys, but we still have question marks on
what Moses Atalma can bring. I think he's the greatest
talent I've seen at heavyweight in this generation, strictly at
heavyweight at his age, I haven't seen anything like it.
The speed, the quickness, precision, being able to punch forward
and backward, being able to have power and finesse. He's
(02:36):
got it all, he really does. It's just a matter
of does he have too much too soon twenty years old?
Is he ready for this moment? Being compared by people
like me to the likes of Tyson fury Aj, and
they're pushing him like, you know, a Mike Tyson push
when he won the heavyweight title at twenty one. So
it's like you're seeing a lot of this big time
pressure for this young kid that we don't know if
he's ready for that yet. We don't know how he
(02:57):
deals with the limelight yet. This will be his first
you'll step into that. And I told you guys this,
when Alexander Usak just beat Daniel Dubat for the second time,
I said, the only guy I see in the division,
no disrespect to Joseph Parker, no disrespect to Kabiel. The
only guy I see in the division right now that
potentially can give Alexander Usik a bit of a problem
in a couple of years, or maybe year and a half.
(03:19):
Whatever is Moses Atalamus strictly because of his skill set,
his speed, his agility, his light feet, his power, his eyes,
everything that I see with this kid. I'm trying not
to get too excited, but he is the real deal.
And the only problem is we're living in the unknown.
We truly don't know what will happen when he keeps
stepping up because we've only seen what we've seen. We've
(03:40):
only seen him go against guys that we think he
should be again only twenty years old, we haven't seen
him fight past six rounds. He's only been scheduled to
go ten rounds. This one's schedule for twelve. So it's
just that matter of the unknown where you want to
be excited about a prospect in boxing, but you just
you don't know just yet. But man, he passes the
eye test with flying colors. But again, this is no
(04:00):
walk in the park, and Dillion White is known for
playing those mind games. Look back to the Anthony Joshua
fight and how he tried to get in AJ's It
didn't work out for him very well, but he tried
and he had some success with it, at least in parts.
I can remember watching that fight and watching him throw
that freaking axe overhead over the rev. It was a spectacle,
and I expect the same during this fight week. It's
been a bit quiet so far, and I think that's
(04:21):
the way Moses Atama likes it. If I'm Dillion White,
I'm trying to pull out all the stops. You give
this kid every mental game you have because you want
to test him.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
You're not there to lay down for the youngster.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
He's You look at Dillion White in camp and he's
in shape. I mean he is in shape shape, kind
of like what are you back on that stuff shape?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Now? But he is, He's in great shape.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
He's taken it very seriously and obviously he's a bit
of a more awkward guy as well to fight chopping hooks,
big time power at Derek Cizora knockout left hook. It
left Derek Cizora flat at something again. You know, boxing
math doesn't always work. That's something Usik wasn't doing, you
know what I mean. So it's not really the same comparison,
but you get. I mean, it's a dangerous fight for
(05:01):
Moses to town. This is what you could call a
hype train d railer if Moses doesn't go out and
take care of business. And and you know, when we're
on that subject, we talk about Moses's upbringing. I've been
watching a lot of the Zone in the Day of
the Life camp.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Stuff with Moses.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
He's talking about how, you know, when he started with
Ben Davis, he didn't want a box, he didn't like
box and he had to, you know, fall back in
love with it and Ben brought him to that place.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Fair play to Ben Davison.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You know, he's been around a lot of the UK
heavyweight scene, trained Joshua for the DUWA fight, trained Tyson
Fury when he came out of retirement. There's definitely something
that Ben Davison has that fighters attached themselves to mentally right,
He got Tyson Fury out of bed and got him
ready for that Deontay Wilder trilogy when it looked like
Tyson Fury was done for I mean completely done. And
now you hear Moses of Talma talking about how, you know,
(05:46):
Ben really brought him back for the love of the
sport and really got him ingrained with a sport again.
I just worry, you know, when I hear a twenty year.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Old talking about I didn't love this, I didn't want to.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It's like you haven't even gotten to the hard part yet,
you know, you have even got into the dance. And again,
this was when he was younger, and he ended up
going and winning European gold medals and all this. But
what happens when you get some you know, what happens
when you get to the top of the mountain. What
satiates your hunger then, because right now the hunger is
the same for everybody. It's chasing the gold, it's chasing glory,
it's chasing legacy. Right and Frank and the boys over
(06:17):
at Queensberry, they have really pushed him, you know, they've
pushed him to the top of the heavyweight division with
only twelve wins, and again, if he is to beat
Dillian White, it's only going to go up from there, Like,
you can't go backward after that, right, This is why
you know some people wait before they give their prospect
a high level fight. But then again, we're in an
era where prospects are taking high level fights sooner and sooner,
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and I love it because there is no duck in,
no dodging, No let's page your stats, Let's get you experience,
when in reality, the best experience is iron sharpening iron
in a fight. Yeah, that may mean dire consequences, but
the test, if you're able to come through, it will
make you better. Mike Tyson fought upwards of what like
ten times twelve times in one year at one point,
(07:00):
like he was getting experienced by going in there, and
he fought former Olympians and all this, So I like
the trajectory thereon. I just I wonder I even saw
him talking about Simon Jordan. How you know, it's unbearable
listening to Simon Jordan. It does his head in talking
about Moses Atalma. Again, he's twenty years old and now
starting to get a taste of the other stuff right,
not inside the ropes, boxing, the media scrutiny, the like
(07:23):
I said, the bright lights, potentially the fame that comes
out of this, how do you handle it? We have
seen time and time again boxers that aren't necessarily ready
for that moment yet too soon, Mike Tyson, others that
even Tyson Fury to a degree, others that grasp that goal.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And then go, well, what else is there? This was it?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Let's go party or let's go do something else in
my life, and it spirals down And I may be
reading too much into that. I just you know, I
want to see a high level prospect in boxing. I
want to see that next wave, and I think this
is the time for especially for UK boxing, which they
don't have. I think they have one world champion right now,
or maybe they don't, which is for the UK, I
mean that's their second biggest sport they've dominated. It feels
(08:04):
like the higher weight classes and even some of the
lower ones in the last you know, five to ten years.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Where America is starting to have that one hundred and.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Thirty to you know, one fifty four division kind of
locked down, but now without a UK world champion, it
does feel like the hopes and dreams of the next
generation kind of rest on Moses to Talma's shoulders. A
lot of pressure, it really is. We'll see how he
deals with it this Saturday, and I'm excited. I'm excited
to see that because it's put up or shut up time.
As much as I say, oh, you know, let's not
(08:31):
put too much on the kid.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
He's only twenty years old. Let's not you know, let's
move him.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You can't really do that, especially when you're talking like
Frank and you know, Queensberry people are about him being
the next great heavyweight. I think Frank had a quote
somewhere where he said Moses Atalma was gonna have the
star power of the Lebron James or a Tiger Woods
or somebody like that. And that's I mean as an American.
I don't know how it is for Ronaldo or Messi,
(08:57):
but when you're talking about those type of names, that
is pressure of the highest order. That's Lebron James coming
out of high school and being on sports illustrated with
the words the chosen One above his head right. That
is being the next Michael Jordan. That is Tiger Woods.
At the I think it was the US Open in
two thousand and one with the fist pump, and he's
the newest thing. That kind of pressure can break peep.
(09:18):
I've seen it happen in combat sports way too many times.
How many boxing prospects have We seen prospects jump up
a little too soon, and unfortunately they pay for it
with their careers. So it's a fine line. But if
we're going to go that route, which again Queensberry's doing,
He's doing, Frank Warren's doing, everybody's talking about it, then
you also have to accept that if he is to
(09:39):
win this fight, that we have to talk about him
like he is a world level contender for the heavyweight championship.
I don't think he's the number one guy because that
goes to Joseph Parkkabiel's probably somewhere in there as well,
and Usik.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
You know, he's thirty eight.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
He says he's he's just getting started, so we'll see
how many more defenses. But I think again, if Moses
Atalma cam beat Dillian White, I think he's a year
and a half away, maybe one or two more fights
away from a shot at the heavyweight championship of the world.
And you're talking about a guy that at that time
will be twenty one, maybe twenty two, which is fucking insane,
But that's the way we have to operate, based on
what's being set about, and based on them jumping him
(10:14):
up this quickly in competition, and based on this fight
with Dillian White. Now, as far as the fight itself goes,
you're hearing Moses to Thomas say we're probably gonna get
this done in round two or three, and again's saying
that when you're about to fight Dillian White is crazy.
To me, it's nuts because he's only lost to the
top level guys, and yes they've been my knockout. But
still that's a big statement for a twenty year old,
(10:35):
for twelve and ozer guy. But his skills pay the bills.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
But it's not his.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Words that are making the statement, y'all. It's his skills
that are paying the bills. They're the things doing the talking.
And his confidence rises from the fact that he is
truly a nasty, nasty South Paul like I talked about earlier,
the speed, the shot selection, the set ups, the faints.
By the way, again, I go on and on about
Tyson Fury and his feints and how it sets up
(10:59):
everything he has and he's six nine, and he can
kind of get away with fainting with his hands down
and touching from the outside moses the talmut He'll faint
you to drop the bomb on your ass. And I'm
talking left hand. And then that lead hook his right
hand out of south paw. That lead hook is dirty work.
His last fight, he touched old Boy on the chin
bow and had him doing a freaking tinker Bell Cinderella dance,
(11:22):
a piro wet and fall to the ground.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
It was nasty.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Scooted on the ground a couple of times for good
measure like he was in stomp the yard. So that
right there is special timing execution. I think that will
be the difference. Again, the big question marks what does
he look like If this fight gets pushed into round seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
potentially championship rounds, Jillian White can get into that zombie mode,
(11:45):
start walking forward, just pressure in your face, hit you
with those body punches, make you feel a little bit
of that. And again I'm not sleeping on Dillian White
at all in this fight, watching him train, looking how
trim he is, He's gonna show up in shape and
ready to shut down the hype train, which is why
when I sit here and predict, I don't know if
I'm going to go, oh yeah, Moses of Talma, next
(12:06):
generation Golden Era heavyweight to the UK is.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Gonna knock him out in two rounds. I don't know
about that.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I think there's a possibility because of how sharp this
kid is. I mean, he's like a freaking razorblade with
boxing gloves on. But Dillion White can make this a
tough fight for it. And if I'm a fan looking
at this and asking myself, what do I want to see, sure,
I want to see Moses the Talma go in and
shut the show down right completely lights out.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
We have a new prospect. He's on the scene, not
even just a prospect. We have a new.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Contender at heavyweight if he goes in and completely flat
lines Dillion White. But as somebody that looks forward to
seeing how he grows over the next five to ten years,
I'm kind of going, man, he may need a little
bit of a welcome to the show moment in this fight,
and I don't want to wish a tough fight on
anyone or whatever, but that may be what we're getting here, right,
we may get a million White that's like, hey, listen,
all that other stuff's cool. All these other TKO is great.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I'm different.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You got into the level that matches your own. But
saying all that, I just think this kid is special.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I do. I think he is is for a.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Heavyweight, the combination of power and speed, the faints, the timing,
the set.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Up, the execution.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I don't know if I mean Usik is the guy
that you remind you of, like all those things I said,
at the highest level, he's the guy that you think
of when I'm like, who's the best at that? But
now you're looking at a kid that's twenty years old
has those same traits to a degree, and let's see
it if it carries to the next level. It's see
if it carries to the world level like it has
at every other level he's ever been. So I'm just
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gonna say it. The eye test tells me that most
of the TAMA is gonna knock out Dillian White, And honestly.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think it is gonna be early. I do.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I think just because it's so hard to get used
to his speed and timing early on. If you can
slow him down maybe, But I haven't seen him slow
down yet, right, I haven't seen him really show any scratches,
an any dents anything like that in the arm. But
if you can show him you can get up here
with a kid that's already questioned himself a couple different
times before he got to the dance, before he got
(13:55):
to the pro scene, then maybe we will see him struggle.
We will see a flaw in the Golden Child. Right
But as of right now, I'm taking Moses Atalma. I
don't think it'll be a first round knockout, but I
think that second third that he predicted might be spot on.
I'm gonna I'll say fourth. I'll give it the fourth round.
Maybe he hurts Dillion White in that third finally finds
an opening right after a bit of a chess game
(14:15):
to start, or about a bit of a slow start,
as Dillion wants to come out, get in his face,
be aggressive and try to take control of the fight,
and just the issue of being a little too aggressive
with a guy that can box on the front foot
and walk you down, but also probably is better as
a sniper off.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
The back foot.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
You get a little too aggressive, you overreach over extend
and then Moses Atalma's there to bang the left hand
and the right hook over the top.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
That's the way I see this going.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I see him using Dillion White as a vehicle to
showcase the announcement that Moses Atalma has arrived on the
heavyweight world scene and is a legit contender for the
world title at twenty years old. Now again, does he
need a couple more fights, Sure, because we have contenders
lined up in people that have already showcased what he's
trying to do on Saturday, But it test speaks loud
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and if you can go in and beat a guy,
and Dillion White, who already has a win over Joseph Parker,
who's the number one contender right now for Usak Spelts,
has already beaten high level guys that Usik has fought
and that holds a bit of gravitas in the heavyweight scene.
Like I said, Kaybel's there and he should potentially get
his shot as well. Most of the Talma on Saturday
can prove he's the real deal because people are watching
(15:21):
right now and there's definitely a lot of hope and
a lot of hopefully and maybe and I think he
will be, but on Saturday he has the opportunity to
turn that maybe into absolute.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Does he get it done.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I'm saying yes by knockout fourth round, but you guys
let me know in the comments below a game Dillion
White trained his ass off.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
It may not be that easy.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
But in Riad at Saudi Arabia this Saturday, Moses the
Talma versus Dillion White, what happens. I don't have those answers,
but I guess we'll find it.
All right, So we are back on the way concept
(00:02):
presented by The Ring magazine. I am in North Carolina
taking a little bit of a trip before I get
into a ton of boxing commentary later this month. But
today I wanted to talk to you guys about to
fight coming up on Saturday. The best prospect that the
UK heavyweight scene has seen in a very long time.
Moses Atalma is taking his biggest step up in competition.
(00:24):
He's taken on Dillion White in a fight that I
think is getting looked at the wrong way, but can
also be a launching point for the Moses Atalma era
if and only if he overcomes his biggest challenge.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
What do I mean the breakdown? Let's go all right?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
So, like I said, Moses Atalma this Saturday in Riad,
Saudi Arabia taken on Dillion White. Dillion White, who is
I think what you would consider now honestly a bit
of a gatekeeper at heavyweight, not because he is in
top of the world talent, because he is, but he's
thirty seven years old. He does have a couple losses
coming off of four fight win streak though, and does
(01:02):
have wins over two wins over Derek Jazora, has a
win over Joseph Parker, has beaten some big names at
heavyweight and has fought pretty much everyone at heavyweight outside
of USIX. So I tried true test and more than that,
more than a test for Moses of Talma, a real
top five, top ten guy at heavyweight that can test
(01:22):
him and put him in position to be talked about
as one of the best in the world. Because the
only people that have beaten Dillion White, Povetkin he avenged
that loss, Anthony Joshua, who's looked at as one of
the current generations better UK heavyweights, Tyson Fury probably this generation's.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Best UK heavyweight.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Those the only three guys that have beaten Million White.
So Moses the Talma this Saturday has a chance to
put himself and we're gonna talk about pushing him too far,
too quickly, but he's twenty years old and he has
a chance to put himself in the same conversation as
an Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury strictly off of this fight,
not an entire body of work, not what they've done
in their careers, not the titles they've hell. But I
(02:00):
am specifically talking about the level of boxer he can
be and maybe already is at twenty, and this fight
is important for a ton of reasons. Number One, everyone
is looking at this as Moses Atalma's coming out part, and.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It very well could be that. But let's not forget
again Dillian White.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yes he's thirty seven, Yes he has lost to the
top level guys, but we still have question marks on
what Moses Atalma can bring. I think he's the greatest
talent I've seen at heavyweight in this generation, strictly at
heavyweight at his age, I haven't seen anything like it.
The speed, the quickness, precision, being able to punch forward
and backward, being able to have power and finesse. He's
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got it all, he really does. It's just a matter
of does he have too much too soon twenty years old?
Is he ready for this moment? Being compared by people
like me to the likes of Tyson fury Aj, and
they're pushing him like, you know, a Mike Tyson push
when he won the heavyweight title at twenty one. So
it's like you're seeing a lot of this big time
pressure for this young kid that we don't know if
he's ready for that yet. We don't know how he
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deals with the limelight yet. This will be his first
you'll step into that. And I told you guys this,
when Alexander Usak just beat Daniel Dubat for the second time,
I said, the only guy I see in the division,
no disrespect to Joseph Parker, no disrespect to Kabiel. The
only guy I see in the division right now that
potentially can give Alexander Usik a bit of a problem
in a couple of years, or maybe year and a half.
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Whatever is Moses Atalamus strictly because of his skill set,
his speed, his agility, his light feet, his power, his eyes,
everything that I see with this kid. I'm trying not
to get too excited, but he is the real deal.
And the only problem is we're living in the unknown.
We truly don't know what will happen when he keeps
stepping up because we've only seen what we've seen. We've
(03:40):
only seen him go against guys that we think he
should be again only twenty years old, we haven't seen
him fight past six rounds. He's only been scheduled to
go ten rounds. This one's schedule for twelve. So it's
just that matter of the unknown where you want to
be excited about a prospect in boxing, but you just
you don't know just yet. But man, he passes the
eye test with flying colors. But again, this is no
(04:00):
walk in the park, and Dillion White is known for
playing those mind games. Look back to the Anthony Joshua
fight and how he tried to get in AJ's It
didn't work out for him very well, but he tried
and he had some success with it, at least in parts.
I can remember watching that fight and watching him throw
that freaking axe overhead over the rev. It was a spectacle,
and I expect the same during this fight week. It's
been a bit quiet so far, and I think that's
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the way Moses Atama likes it. If I'm Dillion White,
I'm trying to pull out all the stops. You give
this kid every mental game you have because you want
to test him.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
You're not there to lay down for the youngster.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
He's You look at Dillion White in camp and he's
in shape. I mean he is in shape shape, kind
of like what are you back on that stuff shape?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Now? But he is, He's in great shape.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
He's taken it very seriously and obviously he's a bit
of a more awkward guy as well to fight chopping hooks,
big time power at Derek Cizora knockout left hook. It
left Derek Cizora flat at something again. You know, boxing
math doesn't always work. That's something Usik wasn't doing, you
know what I mean. So it's not really the same comparison,
but you get. I mean, it's a dangerous fight for
(05:01):
Moses to town. This is what you could call a
hype train d railer if Moses doesn't go out and
take care of business. And and you know, when we're
on that subject, we talk about Moses's upbringing. I've been
watching a lot of the Zone in the Day of
the Life camp.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Stuff with Moses.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
He's talking about how, you know, when he started with
Ben Davis, he didn't want a box, he didn't like
box and he had to, you know, fall back in
love with it and Ben brought him to that place.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Fair play to Ben Davison.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You know, he's been around a lot of the UK
heavyweight scene, trained Joshua for the DUWA fight, trained Tyson
Fury when he came out of retirement. There's definitely something
that Ben Davison has that fighters attached themselves to mentally right,
He got Tyson Fury out of bed and got him
ready for that Deontay Wilder trilogy when it looked like
Tyson Fury was done for I mean completely done. And
now you hear Moses of Talma talking about how, you know,
(05:46):
Ben really brought him back for the love of the
sport and really got him ingrained with a sport again.
I just worry, you know, when I hear a twenty year.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Old talking about I didn't love this, I didn't want to.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It's like you haven't even gotten to the hard part yet,
you know, you have even got into the dance. And again,
this was when he was younger, and he ended up
going and winning European gold medals and all this. But
what happens when you get some you know, what happens
when you get to the top of the mountain. What
satiates your hunger then, because right now the hunger is
the same for everybody. It's chasing the gold, it's chasing glory,
it's chasing legacy. Right and Frank and the boys over
(06:17):
at Queensberry, they have really pushed him, you know, they've
pushed him to the top of the heavyweight division with
only twelve wins, and again, if he is to beat
Dillian White, it's only going to go up from there, Like,
you can't go backward after that, right, This is why
you know some people wait before they give their prospect
a high level fight. But then again, we're in an
era where prospects are taking high level fights sooner and sooner,
(06:40):
and I love it because there is no duck in,
no dodging, No let's page your stats, Let's get you experience,
when in reality, the best experience is iron sharpening iron
in a fight. Yeah, that may mean dire consequences, but
the test, if you're able to come through, it will
make you better. Mike Tyson fought upwards of what like
ten times twelve times in one year at one point,
(07:00):
like he was getting experienced by going in there, and
he fought former Olympians and all this, So I like
the trajectory thereon. I just I wonder I even saw
him talking about Simon Jordan. How you know, it's unbearable
listening to Simon Jordan. It does his head in talking
about Moses Atalma. Again, he's twenty years old and now
starting to get a taste of the other stuff right,
not inside the ropes, boxing, the media scrutiny, the like
(07:23):
I said, the bright lights, potentially the fame that comes
out of this, how do you handle it? We have
seen time and time again boxers that aren't necessarily ready
for that moment yet too soon, Mike Tyson, others that
even Tyson Fury to a degree, others that grasp that goal.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And then go, well, what else is there? This was it?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Let's go party or let's go do something else in
my life, and it spirals down And I may be
reading too much into that. I just you know, I
want to see a high level prospect in boxing. I
want to see that next wave, and I think this
is the time for especially for UK boxing, which they
don't have. I think they have one world champion right now,
or maybe they don't, which is for the UK, I
mean that's their second biggest sport they've dominated. It feels
(08:04):
like the higher weight classes and even some of the
lower ones in the last you know, five to ten years.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Where America is starting to have that one hundred and.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Thirty to you know, one fifty four division kind of
locked down, but now without a UK world champion, it
does feel like the hopes and dreams of the next
generation kind of rest on Moses to Talma's shoulders. A
lot of pressure, it really is. We'll see how he
deals with it this Saturday, and I'm excited. I'm excited
to see that because it's put up or shut up time.
As much as I say, oh, you know, let's not
(08:31):
put too much on the kid.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
He's only twenty years old. Let's not you know, let's
move him.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You can't really do that, especially when you're talking like
Frank and you know, Queensberry people are about him being
the next great heavyweight. I think Frank had a quote
somewhere where he said Moses Atalma was gonna have the
star power of the Lebron James or a Tiger Woods
or somebody like that. And that's I mean as an American.
I don't know how it is for Ronaldo or Messi,
(08:57):
but when you're talking about those type of names, that
is pressure of the highest order. That's Lebron James coming
out of high school and being on sports illustrated with
the words the chosen One above his head right. That
is being the next Michael Jordan. That is Tiger Woods.
At the I think it was the US Open in
two thousand and one with the fist pump, and he's
the newest thing. That kind of pressure can break peep.
(09:18):
I've seen it happen in combat sports way too many times.
How many boxing prospects have We seen prospects jump up
a little too soon, and unfortunately they pay for it
with their careers. So it's a fine line. But if
we're going to go that route, which again Queensberry's doing,
He's doing, Frank Warren's doing, everybody's talking about it, then
you also have to accept that if he is to
(09:39):
win this fight, that we have to talk about him
like he is a world level contender for the heavyweight championship.
I don't think he's the number one guy because that
goes to Joseph Parkkabiel's probably somewhere in there as well,
and Usik.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
You know, he's thirty eight.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
He says he's he's just getting started, so we'll see
how many more defenses. But I think again, if Moses
Atalma cam beat Dillian White, I think he's a year
and a half away, maybe one or two more fights
away from a shot at the heavyweight championship of the world.
And you're talking about a guy that at that time
will be twenty one, maybe twenty two, which is fucking insane,
But that's the way we have to operate, based on
what's being set about, and based on them jumping him
(10:14):
up this quickly in competition, and based on this fight
with Dillian White. Now, as far as the fight itself goes,
you're hearing Moses to Thomas say we're probably gonna get
this done in round two or three, and again's saying
that when you're about to fight Dillian White is crazy.
To me, it's nuts because he's only lost to the
top level guys, and yes they've been my knockout. But
still that's a big statement for a twenty year old,
(10:35):
for twelve and ozer guy. But his skills pay the bills.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
But it's not his.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Words that are making the statement, y'all. It's his skills
that are paying the bills. They're the things doing the talking.
And his confidence rises from the fact that he is
truly a nasty, nasty South Paul like I talked about earlier,
the speed, the shot selection, the set ups, the faints.
By the way, again, I go on and on about
Tyson Fury and his feints and how it sets up
(10:59):
everything he has and he's six nine, and he can
kind of get away with fainting with his hands down
and touching from the outside moses the talmut He'll faint
you to drop the bomb on your ass. And I'm
talking left hand. And then that lead hook his right
hand out of south paw. That lead hook is dirty work.
His last fight, he touched old Boy on the chin
bow and had him doing a freaking tinker Bell Cinderella dance,
(11:22):
a piro wet and fall to the ground.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
It was nasty.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Scooted on the ground a couple of times for good
measure like he was in stomp the yard. So that
right there is special timing execution. I think that will
be the difference. Again, the big question marks what does
he look like If this fight gets pushed into round seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
potentially championship rounds, Jillian White can get into that zombie mode,
(11:45):
start walking forward, just pressure in your face, hit you
with those body punches, make you feel a little bit
of that. And again I'm not sleeping on Dillian White
at all in this fight, watching him train, looking how
trim he is, He's gonna show up in shape and
ready to shut down the hype train, which is why
when I sit here and predict, I don't know if
I'm going to go, oh yeah, Moses of Talma, next
(12:06):
generation Golden Era heavyweight to the UK is.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Gonna knock him out in two rounds. I don't know
about that.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I think there's a possibility because of how sharp this
kid is. I mean, he's like a freaking razorblade with
boxing gloves on. But Dillion White can make this a
tough fight for it. And if I'm a fan looking
at this and asking myself, what do I want to see, sure,
I want to see Moses the Talma go in and
shut the show down right completely lights out.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
We have a new prospect. He's on the scene, not
even just a prospect. We have a new.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Contender at heavyweight if he goes in and completely flat
lines Dillion White. But as somebody that looks forward to
seeing how he grows over the next five to ten years,
I'm kind of going, man, he may need a little
bit of a welcome to the show moment in this fight,
and I don't want to wish a tough fight on
anyone or whatever, but that may be what we're getting here, right,
we may get a million White that's like, hey, listen,
all that other stuff's cool. All these other TKO is great.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I'm different.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You got into the level that matches your own. But
saying all that, I just think this kid is special.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I do. I think he is is for a.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Heavyweight, the combination of power and speed, the faints, the timing,
the set.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Up, the execution.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I don't know if I mean Usik is the guy
that you remind you of, like all those things I said,
at the highest level, he's the guy that you think
of when I'm like, who's the best at that? But
now you're looking at a kid that's twenty years old
has those same traits to a degree, and let's see
it if it carries to the next level. It's see
if it carries to the world level like it has
at every other level he's ever been. So I'm just
(13:27):
gonna say it. The eye test tells me that most
of the TAMA is gonna knock out Dillian White, And honestly.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think it is gonna be early. I do.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I think just because it's so hard to get used
to his speed and timing early on. If you can
slow him down maybe, But I haven't seen him slow
down yet, right, I haven't seen him really show any scratches,
an any dents anything like that in the arm. But
if you can show him you can get up here
with a kid that's already questioned himself a couple different
times before he got to the dance, before he got
(13:55):
to the pro scene, then maybe we will see him struggle.
We will see a flaw in the Golden Child. Right
But as of right now, I'm taking Moses Atalma. I
don't think it'll be a first round knockout, but I
think that second third that he predicted might be spot on.
I'm gonna I'll say fourth. I'll give it the fourth round.
Maybe he hurts Dillion White in that third finally finds
an opening right after a bit of a chess game
(14:15):
to start, or about a bit of a slow start,
as Dillion wants to come out, get in his face,
be aggressive and try to take control of the fight,
and just the issue of being a little too aggressive
with a guy that can box on the front foot
and walk you down, but also probably is better as
a sniper off.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
The back foot.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
You get a little too aggressive, you overreach over extend
and then Moses Atalma's there to bang the left hand
and the right hook over the top.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
That's the way I see this going.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I see him using Dillion White as a vehicle to
showcase the announcement that Moses Atalma has arrived on the
heavyweight world scene and is a legit contender for the
world title at twenty years old. Now again, does he
need a couple more fights, Sure, because we have contenders
lined up in people that have already showcased what he's
trying to do on Saturday, But it test speaks loud
(15:00):
and if you can go in and beat a guy,
and Dillion White, who already has a win over Joseph Parker,
who's the number one contender right now for Usak Spelts,
has already beaten high level guys that Usik has fought
and that holds a bit of gravitas in the heavyweight scene.
Like I said, Kaybel's there and he should potentially get
his shot as well. Most of the Talma on Saturday
can prove he's the real deal because people are watching
(15:21):
right now and there's definitely a lot of hope and
a lot of hopefully and maybe and I think he
will be, but on Saturday he has the opportunity to
turn that maybe into absolute.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Does he get it done.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I'm saying yes by knockout fourth round, but you guys
let me know in the comments below a game Dillion
White trained his ass off.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
It may not be that easy.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
But in Riad at Saudi Arabia this Saturday, Moses the
Talma versus Dillion White, what happens. I don't have those answers,
but I guess we'll find it.
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