March 6, 2023 • 62 mins
On the first episode of Season 4, Nyla and Mouse discuss the Best Debut Album Rollouts in Hip Hop. One had a murder case, one had a car crash and one was shot 9 times, they all had huge records. You only get a chance to introduce yourself to the world once as Mouse and Nyla look back at the best debut album rollouts. Joining the discussion is Chris from Critics of Culture. Tune in and comment in the socials below.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the What Hip Hop Questions, Legends and List.
I'm Nila Simone. I'm the man that puts the juckson juxtaposition.
I am Mouse Jones. Oh my god, why do you
do that? You wanted me to miss a beat? Always? No, No,
I am mouse Joe. You don't do that. You don't
you don't do the I am. I've been walking you
for the past four seasons. I know how it goes.
(00:22):
I'm better known to some people as a failure. So
you know what, who calls you that? What are you
talking about right now? Especially? You know, let's we took
a break, so let's just do a quick little catch
up lately. Yeah, tramp karaoke has been going crazy. Yeah,
I turned on my TV. Mouse is on b et.
He's opening up for you know, artists on nationwide tours
(00:44):
like the Vision, pretty great things. Then I'm so I'm
It's just said every time I see you close, I
thoroughly am. I'd be like, man, you you're doing great,
thank you so much coming from you. So when I
look up to shut up this guy can't even give
us him a compliment? All right, moving on, I can't
look up to you, No, they're no, because I know
(01:06):
you're like, but all right, so we missed talking to
you guys a week after week, but we are now
officially back and it's the first full week of March
and mouse over the weekend on my timeline. Day Law
sold the legendary rap group from Long Island with Amityville.
Long Island. Can't forget Amityville this year, this year stumping ground.
Yeah yeah. Daylis music is finally on streaming services. Classic
(01:30):
classic album like my favorite three Feet High and Rising,
Daylight Soul is Dead, that second album Blue Mind State,
and Stakes is High. Absolutely have more albums than that,
you know that was released um, you know, more recent years,
but all of these classics will be available on streaming. Finally.
I'm happy that day Law is coming on streaming and
(01:51):
it's just gonna be good to push there. I think
it'll be the thing about Daylight Soul. I think it'll
be a great moment to re entry, reduce or introduce
others like that whole Jungle Brothers, you know, moment movement,
you know what I mean. I was listening to Buddy
the other day and it's like your Buddy is no
lie eight minutes long and everyone got to Dizzy Money
(02:12):
law Plug one in two Q tip, Like, you'll get
to see a lot of you know, a lot of
people be introduced to this for the first time. So
that's true. I'm super excited, Like literally, I'm super excited
about that. Good Yeah, I agree, good point. All Right,
welcome guys. We are back season four of the What
hip Hop Questions, Legends and List, and this week's episode,
(02:35):
we're gonna be talking about best debut album rollouts in
hip hop. I'm excited, man, because there's a lot of
albums that had a lot of impact, not just like music,
but like lifestyle, socially tapping in. So yeah, let's get
into a mouse who comes to mind automatically when you
(02:57):
think best debut album roll just debut album albums and
then rollouts or I guess they kind of go hand
and hand on I mean one to answer the first
question of like best debut album, I'm thinking Ready to Die.
I'm thinking Get Rich to Die, Trying. I'm thinking, uh,
(03:20):
I know I may not have a lot of people
agreeing with me on this one, but so far gone.
Oh that's not the album. That was, No, that's the mixtape.
What was the album? Take not take care care No,
not take care of the first album? Uh is it?
Thank me later later, thank me later? Yeah later. Yeah,
(03:44):
I think that was a pretty good shout out. I
don't think anybody would be mad at you for that.
I think they would. I think I think they would
think they would agree so far they would Pink Friday,
Pink Friday, vint k A show, no album out, Oh
come on man, Nicky was coming crazy. No, I can't
(04:06):
barber real quick go forward? Um, college dropout for sure,
I think absolutely. If you asked me, the one that
probably impacted me the most probably gonna be college dropout
or get Richard died trying just because I was. I
was fucking peak formidable years there. So that explains a lot.
(04:30):
Get Richard died trying, that's your That explains a whole lot.
But I will say, honestly, I think everybody you just
named I would have to give it to. Oh and
obviously the miseducational Lauren Hill right or rollout or just
debut album in general. Yeah, both, I'm gonna say they
(04:51):
go hand in hand. Debut album, rollout, I was, she
was off the Yeah, I don't recall no ship saying
I don't record. Yes, because it's been it's been transcribed
and covered for years. Yes, and in the Library of Congress. Yes,
(05:11):
it is. Talk about that rollout. First of all, we
talked about the roll album, the Lost Ones. Lost Ones
didn't come out prior to the album. But you're writing
a sense that wasn't a huge She was on the
cover of Source, she was on the cover of Vibe,
she was off the back of the Foodji's project, a
classic hip hop album. This was she was. She went,
(05:35):
she went solo. This was a big deal. I'm not
saying it wasn't. Under staying the rollout didn't feel like
college dropout. Palpable get Richard trying Palpable Um obviously didn't
experience it firsthand. Ready to die, palpable Um. I'm talking
about things you can feel it fine, even even to
(05:56):
an extent, you know, I don't give a fuck about
it Allmattic Palpable like they work, were excited about this ship. Yeah,
the shade for Ellmaticus nuts classic album. But um, did
you talk about perfect example of what you're talking about? Um,
And we get into a bit deeper, but you talk
about somebody leaving a group, making noise you know they're
(06:18):
being palpable, tension in the air. Everyone's waiting for this.
You go on the West Coast, Doctor dre leaves leaves
in way signs with death, Row sets up Snoop sets
up the whole label. Really with that chronic rollout. All right,
I'm gonna leave everything before two thousands to you guys
because I wasn't there. But I wasn't there either. Something
(06:41):
in my body is just telling me that Lauren belongs
to the discussion. But we got Nikki in there and
did not. I got my one. It's a good one
because she was on Monster before it dropped, before her
album Monster My Chick Bad. She was, she was. She
was like she was going feature crazy, the same way
Drake who was going to feature crazy. Yeah, man, I
(07:02):
was on ww dot Drake dot com. Yeah, sorry, download
and Ransom. I'm like, damn, who is this guy? This
guy's fire. Let's let's go one by one and get
into the numbers. Get Richard, I Try and Just had
the twentieth anniversary and released in February six, two thousand
and three. It debuted at number one, selling over eight
hundred and seventy two thousand copies in its first week,
(07:24):
one week when people had to get their ass up,
go down to the local Sam Goody. A month prior,
on January seventh, the single in the club and to
number one on Billboard. It was considered the number one
single for two thousand and three. That was in January.
Absolutely insane. I was only released a month prior because
I feel like that being a kid at that time,
(07:46):
hearing it all the time, seeing a video, I felt
like it was a year. Let's also give a little
bit more context. Right prior to the release of his
first studio album, Power of the Dollar, fifty cent was
shot nine times in Queens on May two thousand. He's survived,
but it was dropped from his label, Columbia Records, who
canceled that album's release. So just two years prior, we
all know, you know the story of fifty getting shot
(08:09):
nine times. Yeah, leading up to that album in two
thousand and two, Eminem signed him. Yeah a year that
summer or actually yeah, Wanster was released. Winter was released
on the eight Mile eight Miles soundtrack track, So that
was released in November, just a three months prior to
(08:31):
his album released. Yeah, this is a huge this is
and we know all about the Jar Rule Beef that
that Wanster was the director of that Jar Rule at
the time, there's a lot of stuff going on on
mixtapes between jobs. Say yeah, you can't forget the older
Gene and the radio mixtape, but that's what you know,
that's the foundation to me, that's that's where the rollout begins,
because it was it was natural, like they were already
(08:52):
going at him on the Gene the radio mixtapes, then
Winks to Drops. If then you get the video, I'll
never forget that video debuting on one of six and
park I was like, oh, oh, so we we got one.
This kind of music, we got one because for the longest,
you know, if you were in New York at the time,
(09:13):
if you was in the hip all that time, you
knew about fifty Um. I found about fifty from the
jay Z freestyle, but still like just hearing it, hearing it,
and then it was this beautiful thing like in the barbershops.
You know, you probably can't relate to this d block
um in the barb shops, the bootlegs. So just seeing
(09:33):
I remember before Winks to Drop, I remembered before you know,
the fifty the jay Z line at some of gent
I remember before then you might have seen one Gina
radio maybe maybe after all Gina radios one, two, three,
four five, all of them. Who can? Who can? Who can?
(09:55):
Who could? So like to see that right there in
the bab shop and then to see it translate on television. Yeah,
it was a beautiful time. It was a beautiful time
to be a fan of hip hop, to be grown
up in hip hop. It was a beautiful time. Yeah,
I was only like six whatever. But the image of
him for the in the club video, falling down when
he's doing the beat that starts like just that introductions
(10:20):
was all part of it. Tough. You got eminem in
the lab creating a masterpiece, Dre and the lab creating
the masterpiece behind them. He was on a treadmill, like
you're like, yo, what but the things I'm like, what,
like he Wolverine? What happened? Then you hear the you know?
And then you hear the Lord you hear he survived?
(10:42):
Like what you know? All my like DJ homies that
are from New York, they all tell the time of
when fifty cent broke in the club and how like
you could only play like they say, once you played
in the club, you couldn't play anything else. You just
had to keep playing it on repeat like that's all.
And Tunnel it was like just played again, played again,
(11:03):
and everybody just kept like dancing to the same record
straight and I'm like, damn, I can't even imagine something
like that happening, like like that now Panda, that's right,
the last time Panda. You had to play that opened
over again for you wanted to hear Panda repeatedly when
it first drop. Hell fuck yeah, because it's one of
(11:24):
those songs which I feel just the same way about
in the club. It's one of those songs where you
miss something every time, so when you hear it the
second time, you're like, oh, I didn't hear this that time.
It sounds a bit different this time. I don't know.
I got Panda in the same boxes. Mobama, Mobama, Obama. No. Yeah,
(11:46):
I mean I think in the club the first off,
just letting the beat ride was huge for the club,
the building obviously, yeah, and then the opening line it
is still to this day it's played out, but it's
like the opening inity it's your birthday party, like it's
your birthday. I mean, it was huge, huge, and I
(12:09):
wish I was in the clubs at that time. Gone.
We love a comeback story in America, Right, So he
comes back from nine shots, the way he looks, I
don't if we love him as it. I don't know
if he was ever looked at it the comeback story.
If you look back at that, no one was covering
fifty cents as the comeback story any It was like
(12:30):
you were covering him as the villain. Like he very
much cemented in what I loved about him, Like if
you watch comic books, I said, if you watch com
you watch comic book movies, if you read the comic
books fifty things? Yeah you you you thought you stopped him? Yeah?
What if Thanos say in the beginning up in game,
(12:50):
I was inevitable. Yeah, he was inevitable. He was He
was coming no matter what you tried to stop him
with nine shots, didn't stop him. You tried to ignore him,
didn't stop him. Even whole he took a shot at him,
didn't stop him. He was coming. And then when he
broke on the scene, it was like, oh, people can
(13:11):
believe that guy. One, let's go on to another album.
I had a rollout and a huge album, or you
want to say something else about fifty Nah, you don't
want to give him credit, nothing else, all right, the
college dropout first starts. That was so unnecessary. Yeah, I
just I was just gonna say, no, matter who we
talk about, I don't think nobody's gonna be able to
(13:32):
touch fifty cents rollout because you can't plan the real
life shit that was happening around, like his life just
it can't be planning. And then the music, the project
was there. Come back to that though, We'll come back
and assess after we talk about the other ones. Okay,
so college dropout I think just as important, if just
(13:52):
as impactful, important intricate as fifties because the car crash.
Think about this. At that time, I only knew of
Kanye through mentions and he was on Blueprint two. I
think there's some blueprint one. No, no, but you don't
(14:14):
hear him. I'm saying, like, yeah, like that, that's the
only time I knew about And then obviously you know
you read the magazines or whatever, mean like who is this,
who is this whatever? I didn't care, like I didn't
care about producers at the time. If your name wasn't
Swiss or farrella, just Blade. Those were like the Ben Timberland.
Those are the four producers. I knew about Faith and
(14:35):
he cared about I mean no nothing. I ain't no
no about Kanye, you know what I mean. Um. And
then I just remember seeing a Dame interview and he
talked about Kanye. He was like he's soulful, so soulful.
I was like, oh, okay, and that that's the guy
responsible for Okay, but you fucking I was watching MTV two.
(15:00):
They debuted the video. MTV two debuted the video. If
I'm not mistaken, it wasn't on MTV. It wasn't one
of six, it wasn't trl MTV two. MTV two debuted
the video, and I would watch this is when MTV
two play music videos and know I'm sound old, um,
And this before school. So it's like six seven in
(15:20):
the morning, and it's like you see the pictures on
the board and they move, and I'm like, what hold on?
I didn't need a reason to be late to school anywhere.
I was gonna do it anyway. So I'm sitting I'm
watching huh and You're like, yo, the samples, like the
sample is almost he's utilizing that sample almost as a
(15:42):
feature because he's letting it go. Drinka boots, foot breakfasts
in shore of a dessert, Somebodney on it and you're
listening and you're like the nigga mouth closed white. And
then you see he's wrapping through the wire from there
to the rollout. He's everywhere. He's showing you who he is.
(16:04):
The introduction of the bear leaning into the bear, the
fucking him leaning into immediately. He had an impact on
fashion immediately. Some rappers don't because a lot of rappers
are coming into something, um playing the part already right
like whoever, So when fifty comes out, you know, when
(16:26):
fifty comes out, he's dressing like every other rapper, a
little worse, but he's dressing like every other rapper at
the time. You know, Oh, Vloris, let me wear that
big jean, let me wear that Jerseys. I'm gonna wear
that dude rag with the headband. I'm gonna wear that.
That's some super queen shit. Um. People be trying to
steal that. That's that's queen shit. Um. But with Kanye,
it's the exact opposite. Kanye comes in all right, the
(16:49):
shirt fits. Pants were still a little baggy, but the
shirt fit. It's a ralfle Wren every time, and it's
a classic ralfle Wren every time he stepped out. He
wearing the blazers over you, Like, who is this h
one soul ass nigga? Those ugly ass shades back in
the day with the lines in it. Well, that was
a few years after you know what. I'm just that
was your fault. You didn't have the real that was
(17:12):
Kanye influence. Yeah, but that was really your fault. Shut up, Okay,
I'm just saying at that moment, you're like, this nigga
can do no wrong, and then now you're leaning into
his story. All right, this nigga is a college dropout,
quote unquote, he's a college dropout. Um. You know, I
talked about it all the time. He's a huge introduction
to my knowledge in um even knowing about HBCUs um
(17:36):
just based on that first album, I didn't I'm from
New York and I didn't know none about HBCUs. None
of my family went to None of my family went
to college outside of like the local community college for
a few semesters. Nobody went to I mean, yes, I
did find out later that it's mostly a Southern thing. Yeah. Yeah,
I did find out later than my aunt did go
to HBCU, but I only when she said to school.
(17:58):
I only knew because of Kanye, like that piqued my
interest or world what you know? What? What what what?
I didn't realize that because it was probably super prevalent
for you in New York. He ain't no shit about that, Dave,
you knew about HBCUs really before that. It's more of
the southern Midwestern hand. Never knew nothing about it. I knew.
It's so funny. I'm reading Steve and A's book right
(18:20):
now and he said something about that, and I was like, oh, yeah,
that's the same thing. I only knew Big Ten I knew.
I knew the Big East. That's so damn sad sports.
I knew because Omar Cook went to Saint John's and
Francisco went to Saint John's. And you know, anybody that
played basketball a little bit on test ron Artest, they
(18:40):
all went to Saint John's. They're always on fucking Big East.
I knew about Yukon, that was my favorite college team
at the time. I knew about Georgetown, knew about Duke,
I knew about I knew about that I knew about
Georgetown because of AI, nothing about ABC US you and
so Kanye put you on HBCUs. Absolutely Martin. Martin was
(19:02):
always wearing a Morgan statehoodie. I didn't know what that
was though, Like I thought that ship was like regular colleges.
I didn't know they were HBCUs. So, yes, Martin, obviously
that put it in front of me. But then Kanye
it put it together. I knew about the you know,
(19:22):
Black Greek organizations aka STAD the STAD to this day,
when I'm on stage, if I forget to shout somebody,
I just run through the lyrics for that song. But yeah,
that rolled out fucking so amazing, amazing because he leaned
into that is somewhat of I mean, a constribed one,
(19:46):
but that's a comeback story for me. That's what brought
me and this nigga is completely different from everyone else
over there on Rockefeller. Yeah, I was gonna say back
to what you were saying about day Law earlier. It's
like it was completely different than the rock a Fellaway
Jesus walks bro and you know after watching that genius
(20:06):
documentary what's it called, Yeah, and it shows like all
that was intentional. Well, Coudy and CHK did through the
Wire video, which I think even in that appealed to fans.
I think as far as how different it was from Walsh,
appealed to me just a whole like viming in on
the photos and the corkboard, the story. Never seen that
like that before my life. She was really, you know,
(20:28):
inspiring for sure. I mean it told his story. Yeah,
and he leaned into the struggle in front of us,
in front of us, right, like what you say, Nigga,
like yourself in the in the room making three, making
ten beats a day for five, so I deserve to
do these numbers on spaceships, you know what I'm saying. Like,
but just every time he shows up, I don't know
(20:52):
how because he's not that person. I don't know how
he fucked every time you've seen Kanye, and I mean
deep like you I speak to it being there in
real time too. There was a humility about him. There
was a loud humility about him, if that, if that
juxtaposition makes sense, right, Like he would show up You're like, yeah,
(21:13):
he's bragging, doocious, but I can tell he's he's not
as confident that he's letting on right, and it's just
but like I said, he was fly shit. It had
us running down on Macy's in New York, had us
running down on Mazing. I'm in Mazing, putting everything in
the bag, running out, like I mean, I need this Polo.
(21:34):
I need this Polo Rugby, I need this Rugby. Like
I shared an office for Sway, and he would he
came by with tapes to play for Sway. He played
a version of Dear Mama before it came out later
but like his Hey Mama, Hey Mama, Yeah, Hey Mama
and um, Sway's assistant used to play it all the
(21:54):
time until like I was going crazy. But he used
to always come back before his album dropped and he
would play Beats for Sweat all those kinds of things.
I think Kanye just that rollout is just different, just different.
So numbers. It was released two thousand and four February tenth,
two thousand and four, four hundred and forty one thousand
copies sold. It's first week not no Ones. It was
(22:17):
number two behind Nora Jones. H Nora Jones, don't don't
be dispectful, so the Wire the Wire video, you gotta
be dispectful. Antennica m h wow, fucking kids think they music.
(22:39):
The tw the wire video happened five months earlier, in September.
I was released a year earlier, was the car accident
that you know. MTV News was ahead of the game,
Yasmin Richard at MTV News was part of you heard
first about Kanye just gotta everybody was hearing about producing.
So I heard about Kanye, but I don't think the
wider audience heard until that video dropped in September and
(23:01):
I was you know that video I think was on
TRL and it was a nice set up leading into
the college drop out there doing what it did. You
don't even have shit like that no more, right like
street teams. I remember the street teams being out there
with the college dropout signs. I remember that ship. The
more street teams, there's no more street teams like the
(23:22):
yo that shit just the creativity alone. But you're still
street teams, by the way. They don't do it all
the time, but a lot of the Southern labels do
street teams. I'd be seeing them at like festivals, oh team,
like when we go to h like when we go
to festival, when we come out of the event, like
the the Little the Little Van that consider the Street Team,
(23:46):
the ven with the with the video maybe like QC
goes hard with Street Team quality control and so there's
the there's another Southern label. I forget CMG. CMG goes
hard with Street Team. Yes, I've seen in the outside.
I was on Street Team too for Rick one of
Rick Ross projects. Yeah, I just needed money out. But
(24:09):
like back to creativity about Kanye, Kanye like like drew
a lot of those or the the initial like promo,
he drew that like the bear like all of this
ship was. Man, that's a fucking time it was. And
in him thinking about keep talking about rollouts. He was
(24:32):
doing shit we didn't see before. He's going on death poetry.
He's going on death poetry, slam and performing. Um all
falls down. So you currently listen to the what hip
Hop Questions legends and list would be right back after
this break is um? Do you have the numbers for
who had the biggest selling debut? Was eight hundred something
(24:57):
almost a million a week and fifty was the most
for a rapper in the first week. I think maybe
end Sync did more, but you know they'll listen to
this day. What are you touching it? Sh I want
to talk about someone else who came close? And his
album was released in nineteen ninety three November twenty third, nineteen.
(25:18):
He sold eight hundred and six thousand, eight hundred and
fifty eight copies in the first week alone at the time,
was the record for a debut artist and fastest selling
hip hop album at the time. His first he first
was introduced on Deep Cover with Doctor Drew. Then Nothing
(25:40):
but a g Thing was released later in November, and
then he was also featured on Dre Day Um in
May of nineteen ninety three, the video where they have
you weigh up on Thanks So we're talking about Snoop Dogg.
His first single was who Am I November eleventh, nineteen
ninety three. That was Snoop just a few weeks before
(26:04):
his album. I actually didn't love that like that single
at all personally. I felt like it was too much
of a riff of the Parliament. It just felt it
was the same Atomic Dog song. Yeah, but what did
you want at the time. That's but it's about flipping
it right, like you know, that's that's East Coast East
(26:27):
Coast producers about flipping it. G Funk has always been
about take this sample build around this where on East
Coast production is a lot of flipping the beat, like
like we just talked about with Kanye, He's flipping the
sample and the Chipmunk style. Yeah, like like yeah, or
back in you know around that time, who was the
problem of producers Molly Molly um stuff up, you know,
(26:51):
Ski and all of them, like they were speeding and
stuff of flipping the beat over there. Now they're gonna
like even when I think about day, it was me
myself and I was another parliament so sample and its
kind of looted, it lifted. It wasn't much done to that. Yeah, yeah,
I think I love I love What's my Name? I
love jin and juice, I think Jinn and just still Yeah,
(27:14):
that's classic, man. It's something about that What's my Name video?
Seeing him on top of the fun the Dog, I
mean yes, that was fun too, and I was like,
just like a do And I've never not seen him
at the door. I've been doing it again on the
Little Bowl video and then doing it again for what
I call it, um well Welcome to Atlanta remix, so like,
(27:38):
but that was the first time I gi man was outdated,
it was fake. Well, no, it was. It was a
little great. I think now it would look a lot
hotter Ifop wants to do it one more time. Would
love to see it. You know, I enjoyed it every
time he did it. I enjoyed it standing on top
of that fucking on that Donor shot. It was just
(28:03):
it was something about that. I mean, and obviously we
know him, but if you look at it, how long
between Number G Thing and what's my name? All right?
So another mother G thing? Who am I? Was November
ninety three and nothing but the G thing was a
year before. He looked like such a star. He looked
(28:24):
like such a star by who am I? Now? Obviously
this is me talking about it in retrospect because I'm
seeing it at the at the least I'm seeing I'm
I'm going over this stuff and watching the you know,
the VH one behind the music and all this shit
seven to eight years after the fact. But I just
see if right now you go look at Number G Thing,
(28:46):
he's you know, he's Drey's back up. Yeah, he's the
he's the voice of the song, he's the driving force
of the song. But it's very clear that this is
he's Drey's little man, his hair wasn't even really grown
out right by the time Whom comes around or we
know who Snoop is, like we know who Snoop is
(29:08):
in his world? Yeah, nothing but a g thing is
a rollout for his album. When you think about it,
I mean, and you're talking about I've heard. I'm glad
we're talking about it because I've heard that before, and
I feel like, sure, if we know he's coming, sure
Ray understands his strengths, right. I mean he even put
easy in cube in front of him right all the
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time on end everywhere he knew he wasn't the unique
voice that's first first verse, one two three into the folks.
I mean, is that even stronger than you know? Go,
Shorty's your birthday as far as an opening open, I
don't know White people really love short your birthday, that
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your birthday has like it like infiltrated culture. Anybody walking
around head to him out one two three and play
that little instrumental yeah and those keys that yeah, yeah,
I mean I love it. I love it. I love it,
But I do think he goes, he goes. My only
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question it sounds crazy you were there was the rollout
for this for Doggie style. Was the rollout really the rollout?
Or was the trial the rollout? Yeah, that's another unintentional
part of what happened. Like obviously with Kanye, we have
the car crash, but the car crash happens a year prior. Yeah,
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but it still happens part of his narrative rights talking
about the story, But I'm talking about what sold the album. Well,
I think the the murder case definitely added some extra
national heat to the album. Drops after the not guilty verdict,
before that came afterwards, the dog Father came after them. Um,
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the second album came after the not guilty verdict, but
he had the case. It was a national attention that
m the dude. It was shot by his bodyguard. Um,
that summer leading up to the album being at least
there was he was rested. You know, That's what I'm saying.
Did that sell the album and helped it helped the
national attention? Obviously we all know this stuff. But do
you think obviously you know, we're playing a game of hypotheticals,
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but do you think the album does this without that
murder trial, without the case, Because at this time, hip
hop is the ninety two hip hop is very much underfire.
It's all they do, is this. All they do is that,
and then boom or amidst the world hating gangster rap, boom,
gangster rap gets really gangster, somebody gets shot, somebody dies,
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and the star is a We all talk about how
national attention from Two Life Crew, you know, banned in
the USA, it all brings an extra intent. Oh, I
want to see what this is all about from even
people who aren't rap fans are gonna buy records just
because they hear about someone's name in the news, you know.
So Yeah, I'm honestly not that I'm surprised. Well I'm
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a little surprised just because Snoop doesn't really get like
he don't be in people's top five. He shouldn't be.
It should be, And I think that's an East Coast
bias that even Mouse and I public have. Like I
think like his what they call La Conic West Coast style,
his style was very unique and different and copied. He
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shouldn't be because you look at the downfall, you look
at the fall off. It's too it's way too drastic.
It's like he used the boy's good stuff, but you
always give us something. He always gives us something. But
to be in the top five where you you know,
I hate to start sounding like the list, but there's
criteria you gotta meet. Right, where's the lyrical where's the
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lyrical dexteria, dexterity, where's the storytelling? The multiple flows? After
dog sing, a lot of your dog fathers ass to me,
But after dog style it takes a fucking huge died
until right until about dropping like it's hard dropping. Whatever
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that was, that's a that's a that's some that's some
years to be asked. He did come back years, he's there,
think about it, he's think about this still Drey. Sure
forgiven my insolence, yes, still Dre, how can I forget?
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Even then? Next man long to me? Dog Father was asked,
and I know a lot of people agree West Coast
people agree that door Father's ass. So if we're talking
about from Doggie style, the next time, he's not really
then there's dog Father And I think there's one more
death row or just dog Father's the last one death row.
I think he might have put another one out. And
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then he goes to last meal, last meal, and then
he goes to you. No, let's say two of America's
must wanted. They put that in there, like him and
Park song Podcasry it. Yeah, and you know, I don't
like to give him no credit for nothing, Okay, Podcasry that,
I gonna give a fuck what Snooper took. Yeah, honestly
two parts on our list. Debut album was fucking nobody cared?
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Was it strictly for mine? Alright? I think it didn't
sound like he was gonna stop. I think for the
sake of debut albums, and yeah, part gouldn't be in it,
but we didn't care. But but but but for other
projects that he has, like All Eyes on Me that
he had a lot of attend did go a re debut?
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He definitely had to roll out attention for sure. Let's
talk about someone who had a lot of attention on
plus with movies and all types of pockets he was in. Okay,
but it's not a debut, so carry on. Yeah, so
he went to no limit. But lets people like who
like Drake, like Nikki Kendrick, like Kendricks, I think if
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we're talking about any of these people, yeah, you know,
you can't can't forget Drake comes in the way, you know,
And I know people feel a way about him. But
if we're talking about who's keeping a hip hop Drake
kept it very hip hop with a rollout. He dropped
So Far Going a mixtape, great mixtape, and if you
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ask me, he dropped three fucking amazing mixtapes that did
exactly what I'm supposed to do. Get the world talk
and get everybody interested in you. Then boom, you come
with a good album. Wasn't an amazing album. You come
with a good debut album. That was a really good album.
But did Drake have the other unintentional like the unintentional
marketing stuff? I think so. I think. I think when
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the world start caring about the music, then they care
with who is this kid? When you care about who
is this kid, go straight to the grass him. That
matters that you could now that's more of an a
killes heel or that was more of a stain on
his resume at that time. Yeah, I don't think so.
I think he comes in first of all, you couldn't
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put a stain on his record at the time because
he came in with So Far Going. He is singing
and rapping and being vulnerable and and singing about girls
playing him I'm not saying yellow boy that used to
play up on the grass to get twenty. When he
said that, I'm like, damn, he was on the grass. See,
this is what I'm saying. So can we bring in
Chris from critics of culture to help with this? Who
else we might be? Oh, he's definitely gonna let us
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know what we forgot about. But like when I'm thinking
the rollouts haven't being in fact, once again your drakes,
your Nikki's once again keeping the very hip hop Nikki
was on every she was smoking a feature. There was like, oh,
sh yeah, every very hip hop. Yeah, every feature she's killing. Um.
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Shout out to Little Wayne because those two his he
ushered them. They followed it. They followed him. Yeah, they
followed his rollout. Keep it wraps. Jay Z hasn't had
any artists with an amazing first album rollout. I would say,
Beanie Segel, I would say it, you're just a fan, Okay, wow,
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respective bean just crazy? I said, Little Wayne has two
artists with the first amazing album rollout. Does jay Z
have any artists? Yes he does, Actually, yeah he has
he has four. Name the four, not not not four? Yes, three,
name the three. I'm gonna go bean I'm gonna Beanie Segel,
I'm gonna go Wait, he does that four Beanie Segel,
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Kanye West, Young Jeez, Rick Ross, Jez's under Jay. He was,
he was, He was the A and All. Jay was
the president of Death Jim, he had his hand was
on him. Yeah, I don't know if you do. I
don't know if you can compare Jay's Are we kidding
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the president of he signed them? No, I'm talking, but
they're established artists though, no sign. I'm talking Rockefeller, Bro,
you're talking. I always say that's probably the one of
the You can't compare Gray to having a golden touched
away the way Doctor Dre did in a sense of
like tapping up and coming. Like when I think of
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when I think of right now, No, when I think
of Jay's artists, an album rout like you know what,
Jay Coole my favorite rapper. I can't say j Cole
had an amazing first album. Roll Up, that's Jake Okay, Rihanna,
that's Jay's right artist. I can't say Rihanna. I'm oh, wow,
see this is what he do give him rappers. He's
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gonna give you gold. You gave him two rappers he
gave you gold were acting like Rick Rose don't exist.
We act like, no, I'm not saying that they don't.
There's a difference between him running def jam and being
at that point. What is the difference? Please tell me
the difference between Please tell me not his artist, because
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he's already stopped. Just Ross was established? Where was the
president of that? Mean? That's response? Yeah, please tell me
how Ross was established before getting too deaf Jam. I
don't want to do this hustling. Hustling released on def jam,
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So please tell me where young Jeez what? But it
was really here? That argument more about Jez than not
world about Ross. You're now listening to the what hip
I've questioned legend and listen. We'll be right back after
the break. All right, you know what this is weird?
I feel like I'm agreeing with Mouse, but you lost
me with this Jay z Rockefella talk. All right, let's
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get a second opinion on it. Of course, we have
a good friend of the show who runs the Critic
of Culture account on Instagram. Chris, what's up? I just
wanted to say Ross had a situation with Slip and
Slide and Suave House before you went to death Jam,
so he wasn't necessarily established as in successful yet he
was kind of on that grind of being in on
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the label without having any albums out. He was doing
a lot of ghostwriting and songwriting for Trina way before
A Hustler came out, but he wasn't established right right, Yeah,
I think I don't know if established is the right word,
but his biggest Look at that. Do you consider Ross
jay Z's artist def Jam? Yeah, jay Z signed deaf Jam.
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I mean he signed A Ross and g Z at
the same time, so that's his artist. How is it
not he signed him well, because remember it really wasn't
gonna sign him death Jam. No, but at the time
he was the president. He was the president or the
CEO of death Jam. So maybe he wasn't signed to
a rock nation a Rockefeller. But it's kind of like
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a lot of people will say that, ye La Reid,
you know it was the one who signed out TLC
because he was he was at La Face. But I
think this is a little like sports though. It's like
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a guy who and the guy who drafts a dude
from college. He's already established for his skills. You're gonna
you're gonna draft someone who's who's got talent and buzz. Yeah,
but you can't compare jay Z's nurturing to doctor Dre
or Wow not. You can't mouse because because first of all,
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you can't because Dre is a musically inclined producer. But
what he did, he knows what works you. I'm going
to give you gold, Oh, Jackson, Eric Easy, like those guys.
He turned into ice Cube and Easy, and Marshall Mathers
he turned into like Eminem. Jay Z didn't turn Gez
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intoward successful platinum selling rapfle he was. He was. He
was a rapper, he was successful, successful, We all right.
I think he helped I think he helped cultivate Gez
and Ross by signing them to a bigger situation. I
don't know if they I think they may have already
had the talent and skill set. But having that machine
like deaf Jam behind you mean you have access to
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but producer. I think the different marketing budget. I think
the difference in the statement that I was making is
that from what you just said, is what made the
difference for them was deaf Jam, the machine. But what
Wayne did was what Wayne did. It wasn't a machine. Wait,
he brought in Nikki and Drake and he introduced them
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to us, Like, why are you trying to act like Connie.
I didn't mention Kanye. No, no, I didn't. I didn't
argue that. What you got that? That was that What
I'm saying, like the hill was because Wayne's closed. Wayne's
the hottest rapper in the world right now, and this
is who he's pulling it. Okay, that's I think that's
how that worked for a little Chucky who exactly how
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I worked for a little Twist Tiger doing good. Let's
get back to our topic. We're talking about the best rollouts.
You don't give us a hint once a year. Here's
our hit from last year. What is what? What? What
was your argument with Little White now she don't even
know you want to argue against jay Z? No, no, no,
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I said that. I just said Wayne did it best
because he got two artists with great first debut album rollouts,
But so did Jay got three? No, he doesn't. You
just said that day that Jeez ros Kanye, Oh, I
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see who James from? Okay. Also one of the things
Chris Kanye who dame kind of he was guess what
guess what fell He signed a Rockefeller and rocket Feller
was owned by Oh, thank you very much. Okay, Damn Dame.
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Dame cultivated Kanye based on who he ain't lying. I
didn't see Dame. I didn't I didn't see I didn't
hear Uh Kanye rapping about Dame on big Brother. My
big brother was big brother used to be Dame and
big brother about Dame, he didn't say. He didn't get
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fuck about Dan said, he said, I was your big brother.
Both both Biggs, Jay and Dame are all equally responsible
for Kanye. And also Jay was writing his check, so
he's gonna be banking songs about the guy was his check. Okay,
I know, why don't we bring Chris here? Tell Chris
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wats here? Chris, we are here talking about the best
rollout by a debut hip hop. Chris said he understood
my point, and I wanted to see if he still
felt the same way after he understood where I was. Yeah,
I just meant I understood what you was talking about.
You're talking about Wayne's co sign versus Jay's co sign,
about the artists that they helped put on and helped
get bigger and stuff. Yeah, which is why I was saying,
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I feel like geez and Ross don't really count. It
literally counts. I Uh. If you want to make an
argument of whether Jay put Ross and Geez on at Death,
you can, but it's I don't. I don't know you can.
You can make an argument that Jay uh signed. I mean,
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he did sign Ross and geez um, and he did
give them a co sign, but Jay never owned Death.
Jam don't. I don't know how you want to have
that discussion, but he did. He did, He definitely signed.
He signed Neo, he signed Tierra Marie, he signed Rihanna,
he signed Ross Gez. There's a lot of people playing
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I put on him. Yeah, I remember that, they pushing
Tierra Marie not Rihanna. Remember that. Well on Rocket that's
because they made Rihanna a pop star instead of an
R and B singer. Tiara Marie was on Rocket, and
I liked the pop joints too. But all I'm saying
is we're talking best debut projects, Chris, who do you
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have on your list? We talked about fifty Kanye Snoop. Well,
well we're talking about fifty. Of course, you know you
have to mention because he was like the biggest thing, biggest.
He's probably the last male hip hop artist out of
New York that had like the biggest career. Like, I
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don't think anyone has been as big as him. Um
did y'all mention DMX, y'all gotta remember the rough rider
movement in the late nineties was big too, Like Dmax
had a lot of as a new artist, so that
fifty Um, Yeah, I played in DMX space. Yeah, I
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played in DMX. Y'all forgot Dmax? Get me an Aye
dropped any dropped two albums in one year. Yeah, well
we're talking about we're not talking about after everything that
happened after the debut is what it is, but the
lead up to a stark and hell is hot. Yeah,
I understand, but yeah, I just think Um, at that time,
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you know, IRV Gotti said it best, they were trying
to be the different They were trying to be the
anti to bad Boy because bad Boy was shiny suits
and all that, and they wanted to be more gritty
and hardcore and and that's what DMX was. And if
you think about it, you know, fifty cent kind of
was like a second wave of that. As far as
him being the the street persona that I guess he
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felt Ja Rule probably didn't live up to because I
feel like fifty cent street credibility added to the success
of that first album. I had a conversation about getting
rich or that trying at work the other day. He
was basically saying, you know, him being shot nine times
and stuff like that and made the music more believable. Yeah. Absolutely,
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I thought, I'm saying, like I said, it makes you
the villain. I don't think when you talk about anticipation,
when you talk about that feeling of you know, you
don't get that anymore the way you did during that time.
I really don't get that too much. Access That's well,
that's because yeah, like mouth said, we can actually see
these people. I ain't gonna say growing up, but we
kind of we see everything now. So there's no mystique,
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there's no there's no like hype or build up. It's
kind of we already know what's gonna happen. Someone makes
a tweet and we know, oh, they must have an
album coming based off what they said in a tweet. Yeah,
So I feel like I feel like that era, like
with like what y'all mentioned was y'all mentioning Draking that
class of rappers in this conversation, and y'all was y'all
cutting it off, and now I brought up Drake and Nicki. Yo,
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you did. Yeah, what was your thoughts on UM that
that class that UM twenty ten for a versional album out? Yeah,
my money's so tall, that's gonna claim it. Yea, like absolutely,
Nicki crazy, Nikki came crazy. We talked about, you know,
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her features with Gatti, her features with UM Ludacrous Big Records,
then the Monster record. I mean, Nicki Minaj even had
me cutting my hair to get a bang. I wanted
a Barbie bang. I had a bang. And at that time,
that was when people were actually buying albums. I remember
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a lot of the promo behind that was it Pink Friday,
people outside, people outside waiting, you know, to buy that album.
And this was this was hard copies. Yeah, I got
this ypical still you do, right, So, so yeah, there
was a lot of and you gotta remember Nikki went
down South and was rocking with Gucci at the time. Yeah,
so she had a lot of anticipation as a New
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York artist coming out coming from the South. Yeah. Yeah,
that record she did a Gucci slumber party right went up.
Then we also talked about Drake. He tried to say
Drake's first project wasn't that great. It is that project,
It's decent. You can still hit those records and get
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them all album you can't. I don't think that. I
don't think it's a bad album. I just don't think
it lived up to so far gone. A lot of
people felt Friday Night Lights was better than the Sideline Story,
and I think, honestly, at that time, I think mixtapes
for a long time were just better projects than the album.
I also think they had to put like they had
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to put their best shit on the mixtape so they
could get the budget to do everything else. Like the
mixtape was how they proved themselves to the budget. And
then you know, once you get with the label, then
you gotta play in to the I think what we
were seeing at the time was we were seeing artists
have to in that instance, we were seeing artists have
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to exist in two different spaces. Right, you have to
put out your mixtape and your mixtape. There's no host ball.
You don't got to really adhere to anyone because this
is yours and this is for your fans. Yeah, once
you signed to the label, now you got to play
the label games, and you gotta, hey, we need a girl,
we need a track for this BPN. We need a
ladies track, we need this track. So, like when you
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look at it, like a lot of those artists from
that time that we're playing that had, like I've always said,
Drake m Drake, Cole Wallet, They they literally those three
specifically they laid the foundation for and maybe Wiz they
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laid the foundation for the people who had to co
exist in both of these spaces. You look at Wil's
debut album compared to his Is More About Nothing mixtape,
You're like, whoah, Dunk never had a major label debut.
I'm no, he's always been or mixtape. He's so He's
never he's never constrived, he's never had to have those contrasts.
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You look, I Think Me Later compared to So Far Gone,
Friday Night Lights compared to the Joint. I like the
jay Z Joint. I like the Alicia Keys Karaoke light up.
It didn't but it didn't hit the same It didn't
hit the same way. Hate they like. I hate the
Elicia Keys record with all of my all of all
(52:37):
of this right here is what I used to hate it,
damn and Drake said. Drake said that first album was rushed.
He wasn't able to take his time with that album
like he did, would take care like I'm not saying
thank you later. It's a bad album, but I think
it's I don't think it's his best project, all right
later four hundred and forty seven thousand copies sold the
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first week. We're also forgetting Lauren Hills, Miss Education four
hundred and twenty two thousand, first week, could have used
a better rollout, Pink Friday three hundred and seventy five thousand,
it's first week Friday, could have used the better you
don't Leave Me Alone, I'm saying. I'm saying, Lauren Hell,
could you use the better role? And it's dark in
Hell's Hot two hundred and fifty one thousand, uh in
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nineteen ninety eight first week, this is before a rap
started doing it was crazy first week numbers in ninety nine,
two thousand. Yeah, we're also forgetting a one shot Moss Okay,
a little bad debut album. What a rollout that was?
You can't remember? I can't speak to that. Do you
remember a little bit called mall tours. Okay, little thing
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called one oh six and Park who he spent number
one the first video to be retired. It really he was.
And then when I want to have many videos retired,
that was my era. I had the poster saying album
Beware of Dogs. Let's let's not disrespect I don't know,
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let's not dispect bad? Why when we see y'all always respected, Like,
I don't know, I just sure. Yeah, I can't say no.
I'm a fan. I can't say no. The point but
I think in all this we we are missing Kendrick.
You talk about somebody like Kendrick. Kendrick comes out of
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seemingly out of nowhere, right do you do? You do
you consider good kid Mad City his first album or
Section eighty? I consider a good kid mass City. Yeah,
I can said that I Section eighty, you know, but
that was the one that was his Friday Night Lights
that I actually was, like, I disagree with his I
think Overly Dedicated was his Friday night Lights. Well, Overly
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Dedicated was the mixtape, but Section eighty was his first
independent album, dropped kind of like how you know there
was an album before getting Rich? Yeah? Yeah, it was
one of those types of situations his independent album. But
I feel like I like Section eighty more than Good
Kid in Bad City. That's that's just me. I don't know,
I just did. I think. Um, I feel like I
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feel like more people talk about Section eighty than Overly
Dedicated though, oh think yeah. But I do like overly
dedicated as well. Overly Dedicated is the one for me,
Like over section. I take overly Dedicated Section, then I
take Good Kid then. But I think swimming Pools are
such a different kind of single, Like I've grown to
love it, but I didn't think Paul drank. But see,
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that's the thing. You're talking to somebody who's been listening
for so long. When I hit swimming pool I'm I'm
used to it. Yeah, now we are, But I was
already used to so I'm like when I hear it,
I'm like, it wasn't even that record for me, the
record that I had the most uh what, No, I'm
gonna say Bad City. I'm sorry. I mean I look
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forward too. They had Drake on it. It was definitely
a moment. But Mad City at parties, it was like, God,
that was a different time. Yeah, like yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
but that that's a rollout. You talk about a rollout.
You talk about this kid came from nowhere and now boom,
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he's here. He's here on this future and like NASA
and that talk about he's on these stages right, like
he's hitting the road. And I think that has to
do with you know, him spending that year on tour
with you know, Rest in Peace, Nipped in the game. Um,
I think he just seen where he could be, where
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he could take it. He's like, you know, I'm gonna
hit the road, Drake, let me be on the road
with this thing. I'm gonna perform here. I'm gonna perform here.
I'm gonna perform here, you know what I mean. I
think that was a part of that rollout. Um, And
before you know we're talking about these arts, you can't
forget about Trav. Travis Scott might really be king of
the rollout. Yeah. Or just to add with with with
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Kendrick right quick, you also got to remember that, um,
leading up to Good Kid Matt City, he already had
buzz because of Section eighty and then Drake put him
on his album like those you know those kids, Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah something album, right, right, and then he also he
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kind of became the new face of West Coast hip hop,
so that kind of added to the buzz of this,
who's this new guy from you know, from LA that's
making all this noise. So I just think he had
a he had a lot of buzz just because of
all the momentum he was building up for himself on
the internet as well, and which you know, I'd say
twenty eleven and was like he was like the new
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guy that everybody was talking about. The next you know,
twenty twelve, he dropped Good Kid, Matt City and you
know the rest of the system. Before we get out
of it, if anyone we're forgetting, are we comfortable with?
I think we've put it all out there. I think
who who do we Who we're gonna say is the
best ball out of all time? Best for a debut album?
Fifty motherfucking set man. It's tough between him and Kanye.
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It's fifty. It's tough, absolutely as the as the bad guy.
I'm gonna have to go with fifty the best. Who
had the best origin story? H Kanye and fifty cent,
you know was true? We don't know what Kanye's origin
story is we just have a constrict we see all
these years later, it was just a constribed thing. What
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was the album? We're still healing from the whole Kanye
ld On. So you don't think you think he got
into a car accident on purpose? Origin story? Yeah, that's
what I was talking about. That's what I was talking about.
Oh still fifty, Yeah, okay, I'm giving it to fifty.
Car crash is one thing, but even down to just
like Nigga survived car crashes every day and all right
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nine times, this nigga has to be the worst shooter
in the world. Like, wherever they found that nigga, they'd
be like, yo, bro, don't you can't even lock him up.
You shot somebody nine times, then they didn't die. The
only thing you can tell me that literally, when the
fifty biopick comes out, that's gonna be an interesting story
for sure. I'm not really a shooter, a real one,
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a real one, like loosely based like that's not the biot,
a real one. But you know, so we all I
think I mean the admos about fifty as well. I
think it's it's still even if you look at the numbers,
eight hundred and seventy two thousand the first week for
a debut. I mean there's albums that did better than that,
Marshall matters, but those were not debut albums, and so
did fifty. Actually the Massacre did did better its first week,
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but you talk about anticipation. My humble of paions, it's
the better album. Here we go, the Massacre is better. Well,
let me say it this way. I enjoyed the man
give rich to that. Trying is the better album. Yeah,
I personally enjoy the Massacre a lot more. I enjoyed
listening to that fifty. Well, Chris from Critics of Culture,
(01:00:03):
thank you for joining us this week. Nope, thank thank
you guys for having me. Y'all, Hey, just want to
add y'all gotta get Carl Jones on the show. He's
the guy who produced the Boone Docks and a bunch
of He's worked with a bunch of rappers. He's got
a bunch of stories and a lot of dope part takes.
You know. Yeah, yeah, you know I would love to
get him, get him on the show, and and definitely,
(01:00:24):
you know, have y'all chop it up about different things.
As far as you know the I think the relationship
between cartoons and hip hop would be a dope discussion.
I would love that. Please connects up. I got you.
Thanks all right. So to answer the question of today,
it's fifty cents. It's fifty Ferrari f Ferrari. Get Richel
(01:00:50):
died trying. Yeah. Yeah, when we set the question, I
already knew the answer was stopped. I was stopped. I
was stopped between him and Knye. I think we had
great her up, kind of strong runner up. I think
it's a strong one up. Yeah, I think we had
great runner ups. But it's absolutely fifty. That's graz and
to see where he is now, they got the best.
(01:01:13):
We gonna have to talk about the best TV rollout.
To me, yea, it makes it even more just admirable.
But I hope you guys enjoyed. You know, it wasn't none.
Athar Tomato, don't drag, you're about to drag. I'm like, actually,
we were all the same page. But yeah, I'm a
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about that. Good Yeah, I agree, good point. All Right,
welcome guys. We are back season four of the What
hip Hop Questions, Legends and List, and this week's episode,
(02:35):
we're gonna be talking about best debut album rollouts in
hip hop. I'm excited, man, because there's a lot of
albums that had a lot of impact, not just like music,
but like lifestyle, socially tapping in. So yeah, let's get
into a mouse who comes to mind automatically when you
(02:57):
think best debut album roll just debut album albums and
then rollouts or I guess they kind of go hand
and hand on I mean one to answer the first
question of like best debut album, I'm thinking Ready to Die.
I'm thinking Get Rich to Die, Trying. I'm thinking, uh,
(03:20):
I know I may not have a lot of people
agreeing with me on this one, but so far gone.
Oh that's not the album. That was, No, that's the mixtape.
What was the album? Take not take care care No,
not take care of the first album? Uh is it?
Thank me later later, thank me later? Yeah later. Yeah,
(03:44):
I think that was a pretty good shout out. I
don't think anybody would be mad at you for that.
I think they would. I think I think they would
think they would agree so far they would Pink Friday,
Pink Friday, vint k A show, no album out, Oh
come on man, Nicky was coming crazy. No, I can't
(04:06):
barber real quick go forward? Um, college dropout for sure,
I think absolutely. If you asked me, the one that
probably impacted me the most probably gonna be college dropout
or get Richard died trying just because I was. I
was fucking peak formidable years there. So that explains a lot.
(04:30):
Get Richard died trying, that's your That explains a whole lot.
But I will say, honestly, I think everybody you just
named I would have to give it to. Oh and
obviously the miseducational Lauren Hill right or rollout or just
debut album in general. Yeah, both, I'm gonna say they
(04:51):
go hand in hand. Debut album, rollout, I was, she
was off the Yeah, I don't recall no ship saying
I don't record. Yes, because it's been it's been transcribed
and covered for years. Yes, and in the Library of Congress. Yes,
(05:11):
it is. Talk about that rollout. First of all, we
talked about the roll album, the Lost Ones. Lost Ones
didn't come out prior to the album. But you're writing
a sense that wasn't a huge She was on the
cover of Source, she was on the cover of Vibe,
she was off the back of the Foodji's project, a
classic hip hop album. This was she was. She went,
(05:35):
she went solo. This was a big deal. I'm not
saying it wasn't. Under staying the rollout didn't feel like
college dropout. Palpable get Richard trying Palpable Um obviously didn't
experience it firsthand. Ready to die, palpable Um. I'm talking
about things you can feel it fine, even even to
(05:56):
an extent, you know, I don't give a fuck about
it Allmattic Palpable like they work, were excited about this ship. Yeah,
the shade for Ellmaticus nuts classic album. But um, did
you talk about perfect example of what you're talking about? Um,
And we get into a bit deeper, but you talk
about somebody leaving a group, making noise you know they're
(06:18):
being palpable, tension in the air. Everyone's waiting for this.
You go on the West Coast, Doctor dre leaves leaves
in way signs with death, Row sets up Snoop sets
up the whole label. Really with that chronic rollout. All right,
I'm gonna leave everything before two thousands to you guys
because I wasn't there. But I wasn't there either. Something
(06:41):
in my body is just telling me that Lauren belongs
to the discussion. But we got Nikki in there and
did not. I got my one. It's a good one
because she was on Monster before it dropped, before her
album Monster My Chick Bad. She was, she was. She
was like she was going feature crazy, the same way
Drake who was going to feature crazy. Yeah, man, I
(07:02):
was on ww dot Drake dot com. Yeah, sorry, download
and Ransom. I'm like, damn, who is this guy? This
guy's fire. Let's let's go one by one and get
into the numbers. Get Richard, I Try and Just had
the twentieth anniversary and released in February six, two thousand
and three. It debuted at number one, selling over eight
hundred and seventy two thousand copies in its first week,
(07:24):
one week when people had to get their ass up,
go down to the local Sam Goody. A month prior,
on January seventh, the single in the club and to
number one on Billboard. It was considered the number one
single for two thousand and three. That was in January.
Absolutely insane. I was only released a month prior because
I feel like that being a kid at that time,
(07:46):
hearing it all the time, seeing a video, I felt
like it was a year. Let's also give a little
bit more context. Right prior to the release of his
first studio album, Power of the Dollar, fifty cent was
shot nine times in Queens on May two thousand. He's survived,
but it was dropped from his label, Columbia Records, who
canceled that album's release. So just two years prior, we
all know, you know the story of fifty getting shot
(08:09):
nine times. Yeah, leading up to that album in two
thousand and two, Eminem signed him. Yeah a year that
summer or actually yeah, Wanster was released. Winter was released
on the eight Mile eight Miles soundtrack track, So that
was released in November, just a three months prior to
(08:31):
his album released. Yeah, this is a huge this is
and we know all about the Jar Rule Beef that
that Wanster was the director of that Jar Rule at
the time, there's a lot of stuff going on on
mixtapes between jobs. Say yeah, you can't forget the older
Gene and the radio mixtape, but that's what you know,
that's the foundation to me, that's that's where the rollout begins,
because it was it was natural, like they were already
(08:52):
going at him on the Gene the radio mixtapes, then
Winks to Drops. If then you get the video, I'll
never forget that video debuting on one of six and
park I was like, oh, oh, so we we got one.
This kind of music, we got one because for the longest,
you know, if you were in New York at the time,
(09:13):
if you was in the hip all that time, you
knew about fifty Um. I found about fifty from the
jay Z freestyle, but still like just hearing it, hearing it,
and then it was this beautiful thing like in the barbershops.
You know, you probably can't relate to this d block
um in the barb shops, the bootlegs. So just seeing
(09:33):
I remember before Winks to Drop, I remembered before you know,
the fifty the jay Z line at some of gent
I remember before then you might have seen one Gina
radio maybe maybe after all Gina radios one, two, three,
four five, all of them. Who can? Who can? Who can?
(09:55):
Who could? So like to see that right there in
the bab shop and then to see it translate on television. Yeah,
it was a beautiful time. It was a beautiful time
to be a fan of hip hop, to be grown
up in hip hop. It was a beautiful time. Yeah,
I was only like six whatever. But the image of
him for the in the club video, falling down when
he's doing the beat that starts like just that introductions
(10:20):
was all part of it. Tough. You got eminem in
the lab creating a masterpiece, Dre and the lab creating
the masterpiece behind them. He was on a treadmill, like
you're like, yo, what but the things I'm like, what,
like he Wolverine? What happened? Then you hear the you know?
And then you hear the Lord you hear he survived?
(10:42):
Like what you know? All my like DJ homies that
are from New York, they all tell the time of
when fifty cent broke in the club and how like
you could only play like they say, once you played
in the club, you couldn't play anything else. You just
had to keep playing it on repeat like that's all.
And Tunnel it was like just played again, played again,
(11:03):
and everybody just kept like dancing to the same record
straight and I'm like, damn, I can't even imagine something
like that happening, like like that now Panda, that's right,
the last time Panda. You had to play that opened
over again for you wanted to hear Panda repeatedly when
it first drop. Hell fuck yeah, because it's one of
(11:24):
those songs which I feel just the same way about
in the club. It's one of those songs where you
miss something every time, so when you hear it the
second time, you're like, oh, I didn't hear this that time.
It sounds a bit different this time. I don't know.
I got Panda in the same boxes. Mobama, Mobama, Obama. No. Yeah,
(11:46):
I mean I think in the club the first off,
just letting the beat ride was huge for the club,
the building obviously, yeah, and then the opening line it
is still to this day it's played out, but it's
like the opening inity it's your birthday party, like it's
your birthday. I mean, it was huge, huge, and I
(12:09):
wish I was in the clubs at that time. Gone.
We love a comeback story in America, Right, So he
comes back from nine shots, the way he looks, I
don't if we love him as it. I don't know
if he was ever looked at it the comeback story.
If you look back at that, no one was covering
fifty cents as the comeback story any It was like
(12:30):
you were covering him as the villain. Like he very
much cemented in what I loved about him, Like if
you watch comic books, I said, if you watch com
you watch comic book movies, if you read the comic
books fifty things? Yeah you you you thought you stopped him? Yeah?
What if Thanos say in the beginning up in game,
(12:50):
I was inevitable. Yeah, he was inevitable. He was He
was coming no matter what you tried to stop him
with nine shots, didn't stop him. You tried to ignore him,
didn't stop him. Even whole he took a shot at him,
didn't stop him. He was coming. And then when he
broke on the scene, it was like, oh, people can
(13:11):
believe that guy. One, let's go on to another album.
I had a rollout and a huge album, or you
want to say something else about fifty Nah, you don't
want to give him credit, nothing else, all right, the
college dropout first starts. That was so unnecessary. Yeah, I
just I was just gonna say, no, matter who we
talk about, I don't think nobody's gonna be able to
(13:32):
touch fifty cents rollout because you can't plan the real
life shit that was happening around, like his life just
it can't be planning. And then the music, the project
was there. Come back to that though, We'll come back
and assess after we talk about the other ones. Okay,
so college dropout I think just as important, if just
(13:52):
as impactful, important intricate as fifties because the car crash.
Think about this. At that time, I only knew of
Kanye through mentions and he was on Blueprint two. I
think there's some blueprint one. No, no, but you don't
(14:14):
hear him. I'm saying, like, yeah, like that, that's the
only time I knew about And then obviously you know
you read the magazines or whatever, mean like who is this,
who is this whatever? I didn't care, like I didn't
care about producers at the time. If your name wasn't
Swiss or farrella, just Blade. Those were like the Ben Timberland.
Those are the four producers. I knew about Faith and
(14:35):
he cared about I mean no nothing. I ain't no
no about Kanye, you know what I mean. Um. And
then I just remember seeing a Dame interview and he
talked about Kanye. He was like he's soulful, so soulful.
I was like, oh, okay, and that that's the guy
responsible for Okay, but you fucking I was watching MTV two.
(15:00):
They debuted the video. MTV two debuted the video. If
I'm not mistaken, it wasn't on MTV. It wasn't one
of six, it wasn't trl MTV two. MTV two debuted
the video, and I would watch this is when MTV
two play music videos and know I'm sound old, um,
And this before school. So it's like six seven in
(15:20):
the morning, and it's like you see the pictures on
the board and they move, and I'm like, what hold on?
I didn't need a reason to be late to school anywhere.
I was gonna do it anyway. So I'm sitting I'm
watching huh and You're like, yo, the samples, like the
sample is almost he's utilizing that sample almost as a
(15:42):
feature because he's letting it go. Drinka boots, foot breakfasts
in shore of a dessert, Somebodney on it and you're
listening and you're like the nigga mouth closed white. And
then you see he's wrapping through the wire from there
to the rollout. He's everywhere. He's showing you who he is.
(16:04):
The introduction of the bear leaning into the bear, the
fucking him leaning into immediately. He had an impact on
fashion immediately. Some rappers don't because a lot of rappers
are coming into something, um playing the part already right
like whoever, So when fifty comes out, you know, when
(16:26):
fifty comes out, he's dressing like every other rapper, a
little worse, but he's dressing like every other rapper at
the time. You know, Oh, Vloris, let me wear that
big jean, let me wear that Jerseys. I'm gonna wear
that dude rag with the headband. I'm gonna wear that.
That's some super queen shit. Um. People be trying to
steal that. That's that's queen shit. Um. But with Kanye,
it's the exact opposite. Kanye comes in all right, the
(16:49):
shirt fits. Pants were still a little baggy, but the
shirt fit. It's a ralfle Wren every time, and it's
a classic ralfle Wren every time he stepped out. He
wearing the blazers over you, Like, who is this h
one soul ass nigga? Those ugly ass shades back in
the day with the lines in it. Well, that was
a few years after you know what. I'm just that
was your fault. You didn't have the real that was
(17:12):
Kanye influence. Yeah, but that was really your fault. Shut up, Okay,
I'm just saying at that moment, you're like, this nigga
can do no wrong, and then now you're leaning into
his story. All right, this nigga is a college dropout,
quote unquote, he's a college dropout. Um. You know, I
talked about it all the time. He's a huge introduction
to my knowledge in um even knowing about HBCUs um
(17:36):
just based on that first album, I didn't I'm from
New York and I didn't know none about HBCUs. None
of my family went to None of my family went
to college outside of like the local community college for
a few semesters. Nobody went to I mean, yes, I
did find out later that it's mostly a Southern thing. Yeah. Yeah,
I did find out later than my aunt did go
to HBCU, but I only when she said to school.
(17:58):
I only knew because of Kanye, like that piqued my
interest or world what you know? What? What what what?
I didn't realize that because it was probably super prevalent
for you in New York. He ain't no shit about that, Dave,
you knew about HBCUs really before that. It's more of
the southern Midwestern hand. Never knew nothing about it. I knew.
It's so funny. I'm reading Steve and A's book right
(18:20):
now and he said something about that, and I was like, oh, yeah,
that's the same thing. I only knew Big Ten I knew.
I knew the Big East. That's so damn sad sports.
I knew because Omar Cook went to Saint John's and
Francisco went to Saint John's. And you know, anybody that
played basketball a little bit on test ron Artest, they
(18:40):
all went to Saint John's. They're always on fucking Big East.
I knew about Yukon, that was my favorite college team
at the time. I knew about Georgetown, knew about Duke,
I knew about I knew about that I knew about
Georgetown because of AI, nothing about ABC US you and
so Kanye put you on HBCUs. Absolutely Martin. Martin was
(19:02):
always wearing a Morgan statehoodie. I didn't know what that
was though, Like I thought that ship was like regular colleges.
I didn't know they were HBCUs. So, yes, Martin, obviously
that put it in front of me. But then Kanye
it put it together. I knew about the you know,
(19:22):
Black Greek organizations aka STAD the STAD to this day,
when I'm on stage, if I forget to shout somebody,
I just run through the lyrics for that song. But yeah,
that rolled out fucking so amazing, amazing because he leaned
into that is somewhat of I mean, a constribed one,
(19:46):
but that's a comeback story for me. That's what brought
me and this nigga is completely different from everyone else
over there on Rockefeller. Yeah, I was gonna say back
to what you were saying about day Law earlier. It's
like it was completely different than the rock a Fellaway
Jesus walks bro and you know after watching that genius
(20:06):
documentary what's it called, Yeah, and it shows like all
that was intentional. Well, Coudy and CHK did through the
Wire video, which I think even in that appealed to fans.
I think as far as how different it was from Walsh,
appealed to me just a whole like viming in on
the photos and the corkboard, the story. Never seen that
like that before my life. She was really, you know,
(20:28):
inspiring for sure. I mean it told his story. Yeah,
and he leaned into the struggle in front of us,
in front of us, right, like what you say, Nigga,
like yourself in the in the room making three, making
ten beats a day for five, so I deserve to
do these numbers on spaceships, you know what I'm saying. Like,
but just every time he shows up, I don't know
(20:52):
how because he's not that person. I don't know how
he fucked every time you've seen Kanye, and I mean
deep like you I speak to it being there in
real time too. There was a humility about him. There
was a loud humility about him, if that, if that
juxtaposition makes sense, right, Like he would show up You're like, yeah,
(21:13):
he's bragging, doocious, but I can tell he's he's not
as confident that he's letting on right, and it's just
but like I said, he was fly shit. It had
us running down on Macy's in New York, had us
running down on Mazing. I'm in Mazing, putting everything in
the bag, running out, like I mean, I need this Polo.
(21:34):
I need this Polo Rugby, I need this Rugby. Like
I shared an office for Sway, and he would he
came by with tapes to play for Sway. He played
a version of Dear Mama before it came out later
but like his Hey Mama, Hey Mama, Yeah, Hey Mama
and um, Sway's assistant used to play it all the
(21:54):
time until like I was going crazy. But he used
to always come back before his album dropped and he
would play Beats for Sweat all those kinds of things.
I think Kanye just that rollout is just different, just different.
So numbers. It was released two thousand and four February tenth,
two thousand and four, four hundred and forty one thousand
copies sold. It's first week not no Ones. It was
(22:17):
number two behind Nora Jones. H Nora Jones, don't don't
be dispectful, so the Wire the Wire video, you gotta
be dispectful. Antennica m h wow, fucking kids think they music.
(22:39):
The tw the wire video happened five months earlier, in September.
I was released a year earlier, was the car accident
that you know. MTV News was ahead of the game,
Yasmin Richard at MTV News was part of you heard
first about Kanye just gotta everybody was hearing about producing.
So I heard about Kanye, but I don't think the
wider audience heard until that video dropped in September and
(23:01):
I was you know that video I think was on
TRL and it was a nice set up leading into
the college drop out there doing what it did. You
don't even have shit like that no more, right like
street teams. I remember the street teams being out there
with the college dropout signs. I remember that ship. The
more street teams, there's no more street teams like the
(23:22):
yo that shit just the creativity alone. But you're still
street teams, by the way. They don't do it all
the time, but a lot of the Southern labels do
street teams. I'd be seeing them at like festivals, oh team,
like when we go to h like when we go
to festival, when we come out of the event, like
the the Little the Little Van that consider the Street Team,
(23:46):
the ven with the with the video maybe like QC
goes hard with Street Team quality control and so there's
the there's another Southern label. I forget CMG. CMG goes
hard with Street Team. Yes, I've seen in the outside.
I was on Street Team too for Rick one of
Rick Ross projects. Yeah, I just needed money out. But
(24:09):
like back to creativity about Kanye, Kanye like like drew
a lot of those or the the initial like promo,
he drew that like the bear like all of this
ship was. Man, that's a fucking time it was. And
in him thinking about keep talking about rollouts. He was
(24:32):
doing shit we didn't see before. He's going on death poetry.
He's going on death poetry, slam and performing. Um all
falls down. So you currently listen to the what hip
Hop Questions legends and list would be right back after
this break is um? Do you have the numbers for
who had the biggest selling debut? Was eight hundred something
(24:57):
almost a million a week and fifty was the most
for a rapper in the first week. I think maybe
end Sync did more, but you know they'll listen to
this day. What are you touching it? Sh I want
to talk about someone else who came close? And his
album was released in nineteen ninety three November twenty third, nineteen.
(25:18):
He sold eight hundred and six thousand, eight hundred and
fifty eight copies in the first week alone at the time,
was the record for a debut artist and fastest selling
hip hop album at the time. His first he first
was introduced on Deep Cover with Doctor Drew. Then Nothing
(25:40):
but a g Thing was released later in November, and
then he was also featured on Dre Day Um in
May of nineteen ninety three, the video where they have
you weigh up on Thanks So we're talking about Snoop Dogg.
His first single was who Am I November eleventh, nineteen
ninety three. That was Snoop just a few weeks before
(26:04):
his album. I actually didn't love that like that single
at all personally. I felt like it was too much
of a riff of the Parliament. It just felt it
was the same Atomic Dog song. Yeah, but what did
you want at the time. That's but it's about flipping
it right, like you know, that's that's East Coast East
(26:27):
Coast producers about flipping it. G Funk has always been
about take this sample build around this where on East
Coast production is a lot of flipping the beat, like
like we just talked about with Kanye, He's flipping the
sample and the Chipmunk style. Yeah, like like yeah, or
back in you know around that time, who was the
problem of producers Molly Molly um stuff up, you know,
(26:51):
Ski and all of them, like they were speeding and
stuff of flipping the beat over there. Now they're gonna
like even when I think about day, it was me
myself and I was another parliament so sample and its
kind of looted, it lifted. It wasn't much done to that. Yeah, yeah,
I think I love I love What's my Name? I
love jin and juice, I think Jinn and just still Yeah,
(27:14):
that's classic, man. It's something about that What's my Name video?
Seeing him on top of the fun the Dog, I
mean yes, that was fun too, and I was like,
just like a do And I've never not seen him
at the door. I've been doing it again on the
Little Bowl video and then doing it again for what
I call it, um well Welcome to Atlanta remix, so like,
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but that was the first time I gi man was outdated,
it was fake. Well, no, it was. It was a
little great. I think now it would look a lot
hotter Ifop wants to do it one more time. Would
love to see it. You know, I enjoyed it every
time he did it. I enjoyed it standing on top
of that fucking on that Donor shot. It was just
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it was something about that. I mean, and obviously we
know him, but if you look at it, how long
between Number G Thing and what's my name? All right?
So another mother G thing? Who am I? Was November
ninety three and nothing but the G thing was a
year before. He looked like such a star. He looked
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like such a star by who am I? Now? Obviously
this is me talking about it in retrospect because I'm
seeing it at the at the least I'm seeing I'm
I'm going over this stuff and watching the you know,
the VH one behind the music and all this shit
seven to eight years after the fact. But I just
see if right now you go look at Number G Thing,
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he's you know, he's Drey's back up. Yeah, he's the
he's the voice of the song, he's the driving force
of the song. But it's very clear that this is
he's Drey's little man, his hair wasn't even really grown
out right by the time Whom comes around or we
know who Snoop is, like we know who Snoop is
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in his world? Yeah, nothing but a g thing is
a rollout for his album. When you think about it,
I mean, and you're talking about I've heard. I'm glad
we're talking about it because I've heard that before, and
I feel like, sure, if we know he's coming, sure
Ray understands his strengths, right. I mean he even put
easy in cube in front of him right all the
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time on end everywhere he knew he wasn't the unique
voice that's first first verse, one two three into the folks.
I mean, is that even stronger than you know? Go,
Shorty's your birthday as far as an opening open, I
don't know White people really love short your birthday, that
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your birthday has like it like infiltrated culture. Anybody walking
around head to him out one two three and play
that little instrumental yeah and those keys that yeah, yeah,
I mean I love it. I love it. I love it,
But I do think he goes, he goes. My only
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question it sounds crazy you were there was the rollout
for this for Doggie style. Was the rollout really the rollout?
Or was the trial the rollout? Yeah, that's another unintentional
part of what happened. Like obviously with Kanye, we have
the car crash, but the car crash happens a year prior. Yeah,
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but it still happens part of his narrative rights talking
about the story, But I'm talking about what sold the album. Well,
I think the the murder case definitely added some extra
national heat to the album. Drops after the not guilty verdict,
before that came afterwards, the dog Father came after them. Um,
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the second album came after the not guilty verdict, but
he had the case. It was a national attention that
m the dude. It was shot by his bodyguard. Um,
that summer leading up to the album being at least
there was he was rested. You know, That's what I'm saying.
Did that sell the album and helped it helped the
national attention? Obviously we all know this stuff. But do
you think obviously you know, we're playing a game of hypotheticals,
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but do you think the album does this without that
murder trial, without the case, Because at this time, hip
hop is the ninety two hip hop is very much underfire.
It's all they do, is this. All they do is that,
and then boom or amidst the world hating gangster rap, boom,
gangster rap gets really gangster, somebody gets shot, somebody dies,
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and the star is a We all talk about how
national attention from Two Life Crew, you know, banned in
the USA, it all brings an extra intent. Oh, I
want to see what this is all about from even
people who aren't rap fans are gonna buy records just
because they hear about someone's name in the news, you know.
So Yeah, I'm honestly not that I'm surprised. Well I'm
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a little surprised just because Snoop doesn't really get like
he don't be in people's top five. He shouldn't be.
It should be, And I think that's an East Coast
bias that even Mouse and I public have. Like I
think like his what they call La Conic West Coast style,
his style was very unique and different and copied. He
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shouldn't be because you look at the downfall, you look
at the fall off. It's too it's way too drastic.
It's like he used the boy's good stuff, but you
always give us something. He always gives us something. But
to be in the top five where you you know,
I hate to start sounding like the list, but there's
criteria you gotta meet. Right, where's the lyrical where's the
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lyrical dexteria, dexterity, where's the storytelling? The multiple flows? After
dog sing, a lot of your dog fathers ass to me,
But after dog style it takes a fucking huge died
until right until about dropping like it's hard dropping. Whatever
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that was, that's a that's a that's some that's some
years to be asked. He did come back years, he's there,
think about it, he's think about this still Drey. Sure
forgiven my insolence, yes, still Dre, how can I forget?
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Even then? Next man long to me? Dog Father was asked,
and I know a lot of people agree West Coast
people agree that door Father's ass. So if we're talking
about from Doggie style, the next time, he's not really
then there's dog Father And I think there's one more
death row or just dog Father's the last one death row.
I think he might have put another one out. And
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then he goes to last meal, last meal, and then
he goes to you. No, let's say two of America's
must wanted. They put that in there, like him and
Park song Podcasry it. Yeah, and you know, I don't
like to give him no credit for nothing, Okay, Podcasry that,
I gonna give a fuck what Snooper took. Yeah, honestly
two parts on our list. Debut album was fucking nobody cared?
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Was it strictly for mine? Alright? I think it didn't
sound like he was gonna stop. I think for the
sake of debut albums, and yeah, part gouldn't be in it,
but we didn't care. But but but but for other
projects that he has, like All Eyes on Me that
he had a lot of attend did go a re debut?
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He definitely had to roll out attention for sure. Let's
talk about someone who had a lot of attention on
plus with movies and all types of pockets he was in. Okay,
but it's not a debut, so carry on. Yeah, so
he went to no limit. But lets people like who
like Drake, like Nikki Kendrick, like Kendricks, I think if
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we're talking about any of these people, yeah, you know,
you can't can't forget Drake comes in the way, you know,
And I know people feel a way about him. But
if we're talking about who's keeping a hip hop Drake
kept it very hip hop with a rollout. He dropped
So Far Going a mixtape, great mixtape, and if you
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ask me, he dropped three fucking amazing mixtapes that did
exactly what I'm supposed to do. Get the world talk
and get everybody interested in you. Then boom, you come
with a good album. Wasn't an amazing album. You come
with a good debut album. That was a really good album.
But did Drake have the other unintentional like the unintentional
marketing stuff? I think so. I think. I think when
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the world start caring about the music, then they care
with who is this kid? When you care about who
is this kid, go straight to the grass him. That
matters that you could now that's more of an a
killes heel or that was more of a stain on
his resume at that time. Yeah, I don't think so.
I think he comes in first of all, you couldn't
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put a stain on his record at the time because
he came in with So Far Going. He is singing
and rapping and being vulnerable and and singing about girls
playing him I'm not saying yellow boy that used to
play up on the grass to get twenty. When he
said that, I'm like, damn, he was on the grass. See,
this is what I'm saying. So can we bring in
Chris from critics of culture to help with this? Who
else we might be? Oh, he's definitely gonna let us
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know what we forgot about. But like when I'm thinking
the rollouts haven't being in fact, once again your drakes,
your Nikki's once again keeping the very hip hop Nikki
was on every she was smoking a feature. There was like, oh,
sh yeah, every very hip hop. Yeah, every feature she's killing. Um.
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Shout out to Little Wayne because those two his he
ushered them. They followed it. They followed him. Yeah, they
followed his rollout. Keep it wraps. Jay Z hasn't had
any artists with an amazing first album rollout. I would say,
Beanie Segel, I would say it, you're just a fan, Okay, wow,
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respective bean just crazy? I said, Little Wayne has two
artists with the first amazing album rollout. Does jay Z
have any artists? Yes he does, Actually, yeah he has
he has four. Name the four, not not not four? Yes, three,
name the three. I'm gonna go bean I'm gonna Beanie Segel,
I'm gonna go Wait, he does that four Beanie Segel,
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Kanye West, Young Jeez, Rick Ross, Jez's under Jay. He was,
he was, He was the A and All. Jay was
the president of Death Jim, he had his hand was
on him. Yeah, I don't know if you do. I
don't know if you can compare Jay's Are we kidding
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the president of he signed them? No, I'm talking, but
they're established artists though, no sign. I'm talking Rockefeller, Bro,
you're talking. I always say that's probably the one of
the You can't compare Gray to having a golden touched
away the way Doctor Dre did in a sense of
like tapping up and coming. Like when I think of
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when I think of right now, No, when I think
of Jay's artists, an album rout like you know what,
Jay Coole my favorite rapper. I can't say j Cole
had an amazing first album. Roll Up, that's Jake Okay, Rihanna,
that's Jay's right artist. I can't say Rihanna. I'm oh, wow,
see this is what he do give him rappers. He's
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gonna give you gold. You gave him two rappers he
gave you gold were acting like Rick Rose don't exist.
We act like, no, I'm not saying that they don't.
There's a difference between him running def jam and being
at that point. What is the difference? Please tell me
the difference between Please tell me not his artist, because
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he's already stopped. Just Ross was established? Where was the
president of that? Mean? That's response? Yeah, please tell me
how Ross was established before getting too deaf Jam. I
don't want to do this hustling. Hustling released on def jam,
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So please tell me where young Jeez what? But it
was really here? That argument more about Jez than not
world about Ross. You're now listening to the what hip
I've questioned legend and listen. We'll be right back after
the break. All right, you know what this is weird?
I feel like I'm agreeing with Mouse, but you lost
me with this Jay z Rockefella talk. All right, let's
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get a second opinion on it. Of course, we have
a good friend of the show who runs the Critic
of Culture account on Instagram. Chris, what's up? I just
wanted to say Ross had a situation with Slip and
Slide and Suave House before you went to death Jam,
so he wasn't necessarily established as in successful yet he
was kind of on that grind of being in on
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the label without having any albums out. He was doing
a lot of ghostwriting and songwriting for Trina way before
A Hustler came out, but he wasn't established right right, Yeah,
I think I don't know if established is the right word,
but his biggest Look at that. Do you consider Ross
jay Z's artist def Jam? Yeah, jay Z signed deaf Jam.
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I mean he signed A Ross and g Z at
the same time, so that's his artist. How is it
not he signed him well, because remember it really wasn't
gonna sign him death Jam. No, but at the time
he was the president. He was the president or the
CEO of death Jam. So maybe he wasn't signed to
a rock nation a Rockefeller. But it's kind of like
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a lot of people will say that, ye La Reid,
you know it was the one who signed out TLC
because he was he was at La Face. But I
think this is a little like sports though. It's like
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a guy who and the guy who drafts a dude
from college. He's already established for his skills. You're gonna
you're gonna draft someone who's who's got talent and buzz. Yeah,
but you can't compare jay Z's nurturing to doctor Dre
or Wow not. You can't mouse because because first of all,
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you can't because Dre is a musically inclined producer. But
what he did, he knows what works you. I'm going
to give you gold, Oh, Jackson, Eric Easy, like those guys.
He turned into ice Cube and Easy, and Marshall Mathers
he turned into like Eminem. Jay Z didn't turn Gez
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intoward successful platinum selling rapfle he was. He was. He
was a rapper, he was successful, successful, We all right.
I think he helped I think he helped cultivate Gez
and Ross by signing them to a bigger situation. I
don't know if they I think they may have already
had the talent and skill set. But having that machine
like deaf Jam behind you mean you have access to
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but producer. I think the different marketing budget. I think
the difference in the statement that I was making is
that from what you just said, is what made the
difference for them was deaf Jam, the machine. But what
Wayne did was what Wayne did. It wasn't a machine. Wait,
he brought in Nikki and Drake and he introduced them
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to us, Like, why are you trying to act like Connie.
I didn't mention Kanye. No, no, I didn't. I didn't
argue that. What you got that? That was that What
I'm saying, like the hill was because Wayne's closed. Wayne's
the hottest rapper in the world right now, and this
is who he's pulling it. Okay, that's I think that's
how that worked for a little Chucky who exactly how
(43:06):
I worked for a little Twist Tiger doing good. Let's
get back to our topic. We're talking about the best rollouts.
You don't give us a hint once a year. Here's
our hit from last year. What is what? What? What
was your argument with Little White now she don't even
know you want to argue against jay Z? No, no, no,
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I said that. I just said Wayne did it best
because he got two artists with great first debut album rollouts,
But so did Jay got three? No, he doesn't. You
just said that day that Jeez ros Kanye, Oh, I
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see who James from? Okay. Also one of the things
Chris Kanye who dame kind of he was guess what
guess what fell He signed a Rockefeller and rocket Feller
was owned by Oh, thank you very much. Okay, Damn Dame.
(44:12):
Dame cultivated Kanye based on who he ain't lying. I
didn't see Dame. I didn't I didn't see I didn't
hear Uh Kanye rapping about Dame on big Brother. My
big brother was big brother used to be Dame and
big brother about Dame, he didn't say. He didn't get
(44:34):
fuck about Dan said, he said, I was your big brother.
Both both Biggs, Jay and Dame are all equally responsible
for Kanye. And also Jay was writing his check, so
he's gonna be banking songs about the guy was his check. Okay,
I know, why don't we bring Chris here? Tell Chris
(44:55):
wats here? Chris, we are here talking about the best
rollout by a debut hip hop. Chris said he understood
my point, and I wanted to see if he still
felt the same way after he understood where I was. Yeah,
I just meant I understood what you was talking about.
You're talking about Wayne's co sign versus Jay's co sign,
about the artists that they helped put on and helped
get bigger and stuff. Yeah, which is why I was saying,
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I feel like geez and Ross don't really count. It
literally counts. I Uh. If you want to make an
argument of whether Jay put Ross and Geez on at Death,
you can, but it's I don't. I don't know you can.
You can make an argument that Jay uh signed. I mean,
(45:38):
he did sign Ross and geez um, and he did
give them a co sign, but Jay never owned Death.
Jam don't. I don't know how you want to have
that discussion, but he did. He did, He definitely signed.
He signed Neo, he signed Tierra Marie, he signed Rihanna,
he signed Ross Gez. There's a lot of people playing
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I put on him. Yeah, I remember that, they pushing
Tierra Marie not Rihanna. Remember that. Well on Rocket that's
because they made Rihanna a pop star instead of an
R and B singer. Tiara Marie was on Rocket, and
I liked the pop joints too. But all I'm saying
is we're talking best debut projects, Chris, who do you
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have on your list? We talked about fifty Kanye Snoop. Well,
well we're talking about fifty. Of course, you know you
have to mention because he was like the biggest thing, biggest.
He's probably the last male hip hop artist out of
New York that had like the biggest career. Like, I
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don't think anyone has been as big as him. Um
did y'all mention DMX, y'all gotta remember the rough rider
movement in the late nineties was big too, Like Dmax
had a lot of as a new artist, so that
fifty Um, Yeah, I played in DMX space. Yeah, I
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played in DMX. Y'all forgot Dmax? Get me an Aye
dropped any dropped two albums in one year. Yeah, well
we're talking about we're not talking about after everything that
happened after the debut is what it is, but the
lead up to a stark and hell is hot. Yeah,
I understand, but yeah, I just think Um, at that time,
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you know, IRV Gotti said it best, they were trying
to be the different They were trying to be the
anti to bad Boy because bad Boy was shiny suits
and all that, and they wanted to be more gritty
and hardcore and and that's what DMX was. And if
you think about it, you know, fifty cent kind of
was like a second wave of that. As far as
him being the the street persona that I guess he
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felt Ja Rule probably didn't live up to because I
feel like fifty cent street credibility added to the success
of that first album. I had a conversation about getting
rich or that trying at work the other day. He
was basically saying, you know, him being shot nine times
and stuff like that and made the music more believable. Yeah. Absolutely,
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I thought, I'm saying, like I said, it makes you
the villain. I don't think when you talk about anticipation,
when you talk about that feeling of you know, you
don't get that anymore the way you did during that time.
I really don't get that too much. Access That's well,
that's because yeah, like mouth said, we can actually see
these people. I ain't gonna say growing up, but we
kind of we see everything now. So there's no mystique,
(48:34):
there's no there's no like hype or build up. It's
kind of we already know what's gonna happen. Someone makes
a tweet and we know, oh, they must have an
album coming based off what they said in a tweet. Yeah,
So I feel like I feel like that era, like
with like what y'all mentioned was y'all mentioning Draking that
class of rappers in this conversation, and y'all was y'all
cutting it off, and now I brought up Drake and Nicki. Yo,
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you did. Yeah, what was your thoughts on UM that
that class that UM twenty ten for a versional album out? Yeah,
my money's so tall, that's gonna claim it. Yea, like absolutely,
Nicki crazy, Nikki came crazy. We talked about, you know,
(49:25):
her features with Gatti, her features with UM Ludacrous Big Records,
then the Monster record. I mean, Nicki Minaj even had
me cutting my hair to get a bang. I wanted
a Barbie bang. I had a bang. And at that time,
that was when people were actually buying albums. I remember
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a lot of the promo behind that was it Pink Friday,
people outside, people outside waiting, you know, to buy that album.
And this was this was hard copies. Yeah, I got
this ypical still you do, right, So, so yeah, there
was a lot of and you gotta remember Nikki went
down South and was rocking with Gucci at the time. Yeah,
so she had a lot of anticipation as a New
(50:08):
York artist coming out coming from the South. Yeah. Yeah,
that record she did a Gucci slumber party right went up.
Then we also talked about Drake. He tried to say
Drake's first project wasn't that great. It is that project,
It's decent. You can still hit those records and get
(50:29):
them all album you can't. I don't think that. I
don't think it's a bad album. I just don't think
it lived up to so far gone. A lot of
people felt Friday Night Lights was better than the Sideline Story,
and I think, honestly, at that time, I think mixtapes
for a long time were just better projects than the album.
I also think they had to put like they had
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to put their best shit on the mixtape so they
could get the budget to do everything else. Like the
mixtape was how they proved themselves to the budget. And
then you know, once you get with the label, then
you gotta play in to the I think what we
were seeing at the time was we were seeing artists
have to in that instance, we were seeing artists have
(51:13):
to exist in two different spaces. Right, you have to
put out your mixtape and your mixtape. There's no host ball.
You don't got to really adhere to anyone because this
is yours and this is for your fans. Yeah, once
you signed to the label, now you got to play
the label games, and you gotta, hey, we need a girl,
we need a track for this BPN. We need a
ladies track, we need this track. So, like when you
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look at it, like a lot of those artists from
that time that we're playing that had, like I've always said,
Drake m Drake, Cole Wallet, They they literally those three
specifically they laid the foundation for and maybe Wiz they
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laid the foundation for the people who had to co
exist in both of these spaces. You look at Wil's
debut album compared to his Is More About Nothing mixtape,
You're like, whoah, Dunk never had a major label debut.
I'm no, he's always been or mixtape. He's so He's
never he's never constrived, he's never had to have those contrasts.
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You look, I Think Me Later compared to So Far Gone,
Friday Night Lights compared to the Joint. I like the
jay Z Joint. I like the Alicia Keys Karaoke light up.
It didn't but it didn't hit the same It didn't
hit the same way. Hate they like. I hate the
Elicia Keys record with all of my all of all
(52:37):
of this right here is what I used to hate it,
damn and Drake said. Drake said that first album was rushed.
He wasn't able to take his time with that album
like he did, would take care like I'm not saying
thank you later. It's a bad album, but I think
it's I don't think it's his best project, all right
later four hundred and forty seven thousand copies sold the
(52:59):
first week. We're also forgetting Lauren Hills, Miss Education four
hundred and twenty two thousand, first week, could have used
a better rollout, Pink Friday three hundred and seventy five thousand,
it's first week Friday, could have used the better you
don't Leave Me Alone, I'm saying. I'm saying, Lauren Hell,
could you use the better role? And it's dark in
Hell's Hot two hundred and fifty one thousand, uh in
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nineteen ninety eight first week, this is before a rap
started doing it was crazy first week numbers in ninety nine,
two thousand. Yeah, we're also forgetting a one shot Moss Okay,
a little bad debut album. What a rollout that was?
You can't remember? I can't speak to that. Do you
remember a little bit called mall tours. Okay, little thing
(53:46):
called one oh six and Park who he spent number
one the first video to be retired. It really he was.
And then when I want to have many videos retired,
that was my era. I had the poster saying album
Beware of Dogs. Let's let's not disrespect I don't know,
(54:07):
let's not dispect bad? Why when we see y'all always respected, Like,
I don't know, I just sure. Yeah, I can't say no.
I'm a fan. I can't say no. The point but
I think in all this we we are missing Kendrick.
You talk about somebody like Kendrick. Kendrick comes out of
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seemingly out of nowhere, right do you do? You do
you consider good kid Mad City his first album or
Section eighty? I consider a good kid mass City. Yeah,
I can said that I Section eighty, you know, but
that was the one that was his Friday Night Lights
that I actually was, like, I disagree with his I
think Overly Dedicated was his Friday night Lights. Well, Overly
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Dedicated was the mixtape, but Section eighty was his first
independent album, dropped kind of like how you know there
was an album before getting Rich? Yeah? Yeah, it was
one of those types of situations his independent album. But
I feel like I like Section eighty more than Good
Kid in Bad City. That's that's just me. I don't know,
I just did. I think. Um, I feel like I
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feel like more people talk about Section eighty than Overly
Dedicated though, oh think yeah. But I do like overly
dedicated as well. Overly Dedicated is the one for me,
Like over section. I take overly Dedicated Section, then I
take Good Kid then. But I think swimming Pools are
such a different kind of single, Like I've grown to
love it, but I didn't think Paul drank. But see,
(55:35):
that's the thing. You're talking to somebody who's been listening
for so long. When I hit swimming pool I'm I'm
used to it. Yeah, now we are, But I was
already used to so I'm like when I hear it,
I'm like, it wasn't even that record for me, the
record that I had the most uh what, No, I'm
gonna say Bad City. I'm sorry. I mean I look
(55:59):
forward too. They had Drake on it. It was definitely
a moment. But Mad City at parties, it was like, God,
that was a different time. Yeah, like yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
but that that's a rollout. You talk about a rollout.
You talk about this kid came from nowhere and now boom,
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he's here. He's here on this future and like NASA
and that talk about he's on these stages right, like
he's hitting the road. And I think that has to
do with you know, him spending that year on tour
with you know, Rest in Peace, Nipped in the game. Um,
I think he just seen where he could be, where
(56:39):
he could take it. He's like, you know, I'm gonna
hit the road, Drake, let me be on the road
with this thing. I'm gonna perform here. I'm gonna perform here.
I'm gonna perform here, you know what I mean. I
think that was a part of that rollout. Um, And
before you know we're talking about these arts, you can't
forget about Trav. Travis Scott might really be king of
the rollout. Yeah. Or just to add with with with
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Kendrick right quick, you also got to remember that, um,
leading up to Good Kid Matt City, he already had
buzz because of Section eighty and then Drake put him
on his album like those you know those kids, Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah something album, right, right, and then he also he
(57:23):
kind of became the new face of West Coast hip hop,
so that kind of added to the buzz of this,
who's this new guy from you know, from LA that's
making all this noise. So I just think he had
a he had a lot of buzz just because of
all the momentum he was building up for himself on
the internet as well, and which you know, I'd say
twenty eleven and was like he was like the new
(57:45):
guy that everybody was talking about. The next you know,
twenty twelve, he dropped Good Kid, Matt City and you
know the rest of the system. Before we get out
of it, if anyone we're forgetting, are we comfortable with?
I think we've put it all out there. I think
who who do we Who we're gonna say is the
best ball out of all time? Best for a debut album?
Fifty motherfucking set man. It's tough between him and Kanye.
(58:07):
It's fifty. It's tough, absolutely as the as the bad guy.
I'm gonna have to go with fifty the best. Who
had the best origin story? H Kanye and fifty cent,
you know was true? We don't know what Kanye's origin
story is we just have a constrict we see all
these years later, it was just a constribed thing. What
(58:29):
was the album? We're still healing from the whole Kanye
ld On. So you don't think you think he got
into a car accident on purpose? Origin story? Yeah, that's
what I was talking about. That's what I was talking about.
Oh still fifty, Yeah, okay, I'm giving it to fifty.
Car crash is one thing, but even down to just
like Nigga survived car crashes every day and all right
(58:54):
nine times, this nigga has to be the worst shooter
in the world. Like, wherever they found that nigga, they'd
be like, yo, bro, don't you can't even lock him up.
You shot somebody nine times, then they didn't die. The
only thing you can tell me that literally, when the
fifty biopick comes out, that's gonna be an interesting story
for sure. I'm not really a shooter, a real one,
(59:17):
a real one, like loosely based like that's not the biot,
a real one. But you know, so we all I
think I mean the admos about fifty as well. I
think it's it's still even if you look at the numbers,
eight hundred and seventy two thousand the first week for
a debut. I mean there's albums that did better than that,
Marshall matters, but those were not debut albums, and so
did fifty. Actually the Massacre did did better its first week,
(59:40):
but you talk about anticipation. My humble of paions, it's
the better album. Here we go, the Massacre is better. Well,
let me say it this way. I enjoyed the man
give rich to that. Trying is the better album. Yeah,
I personally enjoy the Massacre a lot more. I enjoyed
listening to that fifty. Well, Chris from Critics of Culture,
(01:00:03):
thank you for joining us this week. Nope, thank thank
you guys for having me. Y'all, Hey, just want to
add y'all gotta get Carl Jones on the show. He's
the guy who produced the Boone Docks and a bunch
of He's worked with a bunch of rappers. He's got
a bunch of stories and a lot of dope part takes.
You know. Yeah, yeah, you know I would love to
get him, get him on the show, and and definitely,
(01:00:24):
you know, have y'all chop it up about different things.
As far as you know the I think the relationship
between cartoons and hip hop would be a dope discussion.
I would love that. Please connects up. I got you.
Thanks all right. So to answer the question of today,
it's fifty cents. It's fifty Ferrari f Ferrari. Get Richel
(01:00:50):
died trying. Yeah. Yeah, when we set the question, I
already knew the answer was stopped. I was stopped. I
was stopped between him and Knye. I think we had
great her up, kind of strong runner up. I think
it's a strong one up. Yeah, I think we had
great runner ups. But it's absolutely fifty. That's graz and
to see where he is now, they got the best.
(01:01:13):
We gonna have to talk about the best TV rollout.
To me, yea, it makes it even more just admirable.
But I hope you guys enjoyed. You know, it wasn't none.
Athar Tomato, don't drag, you're about to drag. I'm like, actually,
we were all the same page. But yeah, I'm a
(01:01:36):
bout offense. I don't know, I can't. I know. The
Internet be playing with him. I'll play with him. I'll
play with the legend. Don't play play with him. Don't
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