August 9, 2021 • 52 mins
On this weeks episode Nyla & Mouse discuss white rappers. Which white rappers are invited to the cookout. What does the white rapper Mt. Rushmore look like? Our special guest, MC Serch formerly of 3rd Bass joins the show to help answer the question, do we still call white rappers, white rappers?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Up until recently, people used to say the term black
actor refern to our greats female comedians when talking about
comedians who you know, we're born with the vagina um.
But we're starting to see that less in the culture now,
like people are you know, getting there, just do now
it's just Denzel Washington the actor period, median Amy Schumer.
(00:25):
But when it comes to rappers, do you personally do
you still say white rapper, white rapper is a white rapper.
As long as uh, female mcs are still considered female mcs,
everybody has to wear their label. Why do you think
and rap it's so archaic When when referring to hip
hop and they're like, we still have these very archaic,
(00:47):
unpresive I'm not sure. I think that's just how the
culture traditionally has always been. When you're a minority within something,
they're always gonna add whatever your minority thing is. Yeah,
if it's female and it's that, it's white, it's white,
it's black. You know, like you do a job education,
it's like you gotta hire soon. I'm not an African American,
so they made you check that box. Like you know,
(01:09):
it's like it's very sharp, that's very sharp man, it's
a thing. So uh well, today, wonder what that is
the question that we're going to try and answer fully incompletely.
Do we still call white rappers white rappers? Oh? Yeah,
(01:30):
what's up guys, and welcome to the What hip Hop
Questions Legends and lest Mouse Today's topic. I know it's
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Shout to Dave. Don't no, no, no, we're not shouting
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it's not his fault. He's supposed to put the gun
playing Dave. We're taking shout out. Actually agree with her
at this point, and we are retracting. We are retracting
our shoutout. Hopefully next week, hopefully, next week. You got
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this ship together, We got some waters. He does not
care to be shouted out on this podcast, probably the
only time we mentioned David. We're talking about what you
believe his name out. He don't even deserve ye oh man.
But today we have a very special guest joining us
with this conversation. A guest. Yes, we have a special
(03:18):
guest because today we're answering the question do we still
consider white rappers white rappers? We got empty search coming on.
So before he comes on, mouse, name your top fifty
favorite white rappers. Zero. My favorite white rapper is the
one who said should I wrap? And then didn't? Okay, alright,
(03:43):
so yeah, okay, Seriously, that last is just so evil,
like what because not only is it a funny joke,
but it's really true. I need you to work like
I literally want to send thank you cards. You know
it for all the white non rappers listening to our show.
(04:04):
If you ever thought about rapping, you ever wrote a bar,
you ever had your rhyme book full of wraps that
you really felt in your heart was like top raps,
and you threw that book out, he said, I'm not
doing it right into the what d M ME DM
DMN the page uh at the what hip Hop pod?
(04:25):
I want to send you a thank you called So
you don't think white people should be rapping at all?
So many you don't enjoy it any rapper they are.
There are certain records that Eminem released early on that
I liked a lot, like to this day, like no
the words too um but no white rappers like straight
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Jack Harlow. No, you don't like Jack Harder, No, I
think it's really I think I think he's really really
really like he's another guy like I feel like the
same way Jack Carlo raps. If he was black, he
wouldn't even we would never mention him. I don't think
so he's not he's not like exponentially he's not like
(05:07):
really profoundly good at any he's a he's a rapper
that can rap. Yeah, that's what you want when you
say good rappers over Megan the Stallion. Now you're telling
me that Jack Carlo is not a good rapper. No
he's Yeah, it's it's the standship you have for this
white man. No, it's the stanship, but for a good rapper.
But he's not a good rapper, he's just a rapper whatever.
(05:30):
Al Right, So if we had to invite no one,
I already see where're about to go with this. No one, No,
there's no white you know what invited were too absolutely not.
Our ancestors did not make this cookout to invite white people.
He's just saying the cookout, that's where it comes from.
(05:52):
The cookout. Like, can you imagine Harriet Tubman looking at
our invite lists and seeing white people on it? Should
roll over in the grave, roll the funk over. Well,
I'm not going to say that I will bring Paul
wallter plate, though Paul wall can definitely get a plate
outside the cookout, like he could pull up. I'll give
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an address. You're not gonna let eminem inside the cookout.
Security would be what I would have. I would have
all my homey cousins. What his ass on entrance? Like
what why are you here? Why are you? Why you
got me sitting next to this man? What I'm just
you asked me that this is the thing about our
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our culture, Like stop asking questions and then feeling away
when you get I hear you. But I think the
stands is just a little Why is Eminem invited to
the cookout? Answer the question? I'm gonna say this. We
have allies like, yes, you're not answering the question. Why
is Eminem invited? Because of the impact that he's had
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on not only our culture, but the entire word and
the entire world aspects to wrap what what impact Eminem
had on Black culture? He's dropped Wait yeah, albums that
are we still say stand stand Eminem at the world chest.
Then what impact has Eminem had on black culture? That
(07:23):
Eminem had an impact on black culture? Why you invite
him to the cookout? That Eminem had an impact on
hip hop, He's the first, like multimillion dollar white we had.
That's an impact. Therefore, so that invites that That means
he should get invited to the cookout. That is here
to represent to the cookout. If he's if he's an ally.
(07:49):
Here's the thing. Here the thing, and this is what
I call bullshit on a lot. You guys are so
willing to extend these invites and then cry when you're
not invited to these same things done by the people
you're inviting over here. I'm not inviting the nigga that's
running the Grammys. I'm inviting somebody who is a he's
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a white man. Let him be, say thank you, then
say thank you, or you don't have to invite him
into our space because the problem is when you invite
him to our space to cookout. Like everything, the everything
in this world has a capacity limit. No everything, no, no,
let me finish, please, Everything has a capacity limit, yes, right, everything,
(08:34):
even the park. We love to think of a park
as this plate, but you can only have many people
at the park, right, So, you inviting that white man
means one black person can't come? Are you okay with that?
Don't give it. Don't give me any caveats. I just
need an answer. No, there can't be a copy. Ask
you a very simple question. You inviting this white man
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his presence at this cookout means a black person is
not gonna be able to come. In and get a
It doesn't matter because the cookout of not just hip hop,
to cook out of black culture as a whole. So
we got a few no shows. Well they're next other
black people you can never invite. So post Malone coming
with the acoustic guitar, I'm going to like it. I'm
(09:19):
not God, I'm not mad. I'm not mad at post
Malone coming through, but you I'm not mad at post
Malone coming through because I'm not saying that I'm personally
doing these invites. I'm saying I don't see why they
can't come if they're an ally Action Bronson. He might
be cooking something. He might cook something nice and that's fine.
(09:40):
Say you can't really like say yes or no, because
I'm not really like a fan of too many of
the people that were named about Easy Easy coming through
with the CARDI bat like, I don't personally easy, so
I wouldn't do it. I don't care if I do it.
You know one person, little Dickie, absolutely not listen to
(10:00):
a little I know about five Paul war Versus off
the top of my head, like no, he can stand
outside and I'll bring him a play, a really good one.
Doubled up with the mac and cheese in the yams, touching,
But you cannot come in here because that would take
up space that should be for a black person. That's
(10:20):
the thing about this cookout. A lot of people think
of it as this black Twitter gumption that really doesn't exist,
when really it is. It really exists. A cookout is
just celebration of all things black, which is not just
hip hop. I know it's hard for a hip people
to understand, but there is not just hip hop. That
is not hip hop, is not just this broad stroke
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that represents all of black culture. So I'm talking about
black people in medicine, black people in tech, black people
in stem, black people in banking, black people, all of
these black people. I'm not going to waste to invite
on a white person simply because this is just for us. Also,
they don't invite us to their ship. We have to
fucking march and get legislation to be invited to their ship.
(11:03):
They were just sucking befoon the reading me. So the
cookout is black. It is for black people. If you're
an ally, then you understand that and are not offended
by your lack of invitation because you understand that the
representation amongst black people is more important than your validation
by being invited. That part is true, that whole statement
(11:26):
isn't true, but that in part the entire statement is true.
What that's fine? You have good feel I don't want
to tell a black woman had to field you got
it because it works both ways. But um now I'm
you're gonna be very upset when they now how many
Bob Mitchells have they invited you to DJ? Can Action
Bronson bring a plate? Can he bring? Can he drop
off a plate? I will say no because that's I'll
(11:51):
be like, because now you're telling me that you bring
this weird ship to be cooking? Absolutely not lack. What's
the worst cast role you've ever been accosted by? I
don't like cast roll too much? Is there a reason why?
Growing up it was a suoner? Start listening about like,
oh my taste my palette for castroll has depleted. I'm
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not gonna lie. This might be my favorite episode. This
is good, but seriously, like growing up you had to
experience cast role? Yeah? What what had been the worst?
Like mac and cheese castroles or like like nasty ones
with yeah, like the one you're just like, why would
you do this? Peggy Raisins? And I'm sorry for triggering you.
(12:43):
That's traumatic. You remember that me? Remember that meme on Twitter?
It's like, no, it's a video on Twitter? Where where's
these three beautiful older black women? And you can tell
that to Twilight like they have seen it all and
they are sitting here in like this huddle discussing why
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would one of the sisters put Raisins in the in
the potato salad. She's like, why would you do that?
And she was so perplexed. It's like the greatest video
I've seen in my life. I love that. All right,
So let's answer today's question. W rappers, bring on. I mean,
we already know the answer before we go anywhere. Hip
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hop is obsessed with watch More. Yeah, uh so who
is the white? What we're doing? Darren is? I see
what's going on? D Block historical d Block has chosen violence.
Every step of this recording from the guest list, every
(13:46):
answer this has chosen violence to fall on me. Give
me the white more right, I will not doesn't have
to just be all artists that I'm going crazy Town.
Crazy Town is on there because you talk about somebody
living in there and that that intersection of wrap in
rock and come my lady, come come, oh my god,
(14:06):
you're not putting them on the white crazy Town is
going on that? Baby? Um all right, I know I'm
a huge Dame fan. So this feels like I'm betraying them.
Lee Or is going on the list Lee or Cohen
or Leo Cohen is on the white bunt much more
we are Cohen is going on this. Okay, No, we're not.
(14:31):
He bailed out too early. He bailed out early. When
he says, Leon Coren, please insert him when you put
or what I say, you said Leon Cohen, when you
put on Cohen, make sure you put the decks of
laboratory meme of him filling Dame Dash please say go
ahead fail. Okay, we got two more. Alchemists got to
(14:53):
go up there. Alchemist is great producer. Alchemis has to
go up there. Man, I don't a fourth I'm stretching here. No,
I'm not pool without of depth, wol Honestly, if we're
being honest, just you know, for the sake of of
of of you know, podcasting, it could have been Paul
Wall four times Paul Wall for each one of his
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legendary verses. He has four legendary verses, all four of
them got got him? Does he go on with the
gold fronts all one and then on the other one
with the regular fronts the other ones, with the ones
that illuminate the dark? When he smiles like, let's not
play with Paul Wall all right, I'm doing too much
standing for white people. I don't have like an extensive
knowledge on white people within hip hop on on a
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absolutely not. So I'm just based off of the white
rappers that I listened to. Are you actively listening to
white rappers? Did it? I do actively listen to Yes,
I like his music. I actively listen to mcmiller like
his music. Eminem put on there because I listened to
him when I was a kid, and another white person
I listened to Paula. So I can't believe you put
(16:02):
crazy Town that Come My Lady, Come Come. That record
is fire? Can we play fifteen seconds of that record? Like?
That is well within our fair us act If we
have ever played a song, No, I don't want the
first one we played on the podcast to be my
white but if there ever was, it would have been
playing fifteen seconds of Come My lady. Come, come, my lady.
(16:23):
That record is fire. I think you just like the hook.
I think you're right. No, he had bars. That verse
was bars. You're fine, You're front what you're feeling. Denzelia
acting like it's not appealing when you are such a sexy, sexy,
pretty little thing. Fierce nipple Piers. You got me sprung
with your tongue ring and I ain't gonna lie because
(16:45):
you're loving gets me high. So to keep you by
my side, there's nothing I won't try. What's the name
of that song, Come my lady. Oh no, it's called Butterfly.
I love to see you appreciate white rappers. This is
a rare sight. That's not a white rapper crazy town.
This is like not Darren get not Darren gate keeping it.
Inviting them to the white crazy is not well. Derek
(17:16):
questioning about this white cookout. Since we're on the topic,
what's the uh what? What is some of the culinary
um feats on display at the white cookout? Probably homemade
mac and cheese, Oh god, with Lvita cheese. That's we
bake it milk. So if they have just Lvita and
(17:39):
you bake it is gonna get that weird little how
you do it. Let's get to our guests. Let's get
it to our guests. But from the legend I will
not front from the legendary group Third Base. We have
m she searched, So we're gonna go pay some bills
and when we get back, we'll be talking to Search.
(18:01):
All right, guys, welcome back to the what We have
a very special guests on MC search from the legendary
rapper group Third Base, and we're trying to answer the
question today are white rappers still consider white rappers? Now,
before we like get into the debate, I just want
to back up real quick, what was or how old
were you when you got your first deal? I was
(18:22):
twenty years old, twenty and to get it at UM
such a young age, Like how did you like just
tell us your backstory for those who don't know UM.
I you know, I came up UM at a time
before UM rap music was on vinyl or just you know,
(18:45):
we had cassette tapes, you know, third and fourth generation
cassette tapes of different rappers and park chains. My first
day at high school when I went to school in Harlem,
group that I had loved when I was coming up
called the Kango Crew. I got to see in person
in a lunch room. Um, they had a lot of
(19:08):
really funny skits and I just, you know, I couldn't
believe that. I was like actually in front of Cango Crew.
It was like you know Slick Rick or Ricky d
at the time, Dana Dane and Lance Omega um and no,
it was just all in front of me. But um,
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I've never seen a white person wrong before until I
saw it, this dude Vanilla B from Brooklyn um Rhyman
in that same cyphone. And uh, you know it was
known made known to me early on that you know,
this was not something that was for white people. It
was just it was a black art form and you know,
(19:52):
you could listen to it, you can enjoy it, but
participating and it was not something that was It was
just it was just something that you just knew not
to do. Um. And it wasn't until I started, you know,
writing my wrongs and letting my friends here at that
they were like, yo, you should battle you know, and uh,
(20:13):
It's kind of how I started, was being a battle rappers.
So I was going two different projects with my friends
and battle in different m c s. And uh, it's
kind of how I got my rep and that's also
how I got my deal. I was in a battle
called the New Music Seminar Battle for World Supremacy, and
(20:35):
that's when Russell Simmons saw me and he said, Hey,
if anybody asks you, you know, tell me you signed
the Deaf champl So that's kind of how I got
my start is as a battle M scene, and that's
kind of how I got my reputation in New York.
Um was just being a battle M scene. You know.
There was this kid MC search and a lot of
people thought it was Puerto Rican or a lot of
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people thought it was like like light skinned black, like
they think I was a white too. Um. But yeah,
I just I just always had it in the back
of my head that I was a visitor. And it
really wasn't until, like I'm my recording contract that I
(21:17):
not only took a position of not only being a visitor,
but making sure that other people knew that I knew
I was a visitor. I think taking a position about that,
I think it's dope. You know that you know, people
saw you and automatically kind of counted you out, like
underdogged you. But then you know when it comes to like, um,
(21:39):
like as a kid growing up watching like YouTube videos
doing rabbit hole getting stuck in it, like seeing a
white guy would have fade, it's kind of like, oh,
I've never seen nothing like this, even like still to
this day, not like a common thing. So did you
catch like a lot of flak for that? And even
like the topics that you talked about, you know very
um you know take gonna stand in favor of black people,
(22:03):
would like, did you catch a lot of flag foot? Well?
I mean I had, you know, I had. I had
a jew frow, like it was just what I was.
I had a big gass afro from the time I
was like thirteen, fourteen years old and my man's up
rock me rest in peace. Um, just one day it
was like, yo, you know you could have a hot
(22:24):
top Faith And I was like, I don't think that's
really gonna stick. And he cut it and cut my
hot top Faith. And I remember the first time I
went out to the land Quarter with my hot top,
this girl came over to me and she was like, oh,
your hair so fresh. Can I touch your hair? And
I was like, no, can I touch your hair? I
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focus wrong? With what the fund is. No, No, you
can't touch my hair, so you gotta afrol You got
an afro with no hairs very seriously, No, No, it
just stayed. It just stayed that way. Um just yeah,
I never used any hair products in my I just
always had to pick with me. I always had an
afro and that I had a hot to fade and
it just it was what it was. Back in the day.
(23:09):
There wasn't any social media. So when you're when you're
walking around with this hip top fade and you're participating
in the hip hop, was there some type of any
type of conversation maybe if they didn't have the proper
language for appropriation. There was always a conversation. There was
always someone who would come up to me and test me.
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Um my personal favorite if you remember, and it might
be still this way in New York. I haven't been
to New York in a long time. But like back
in the in the two days when we used to
go to the twos to watch Kung Fu flick and
quarter the around forty four Street, there'd be the Black
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Israelites and they would talk about you know, original Man,
and they would talk about the formation of the planet
Earth and talking about how modern culture and all forms
of religion was stolen from the black men. And I
remember this one time. I was with my my girlfriend
at the time, who's not my wife, and we were
walking by the black Israelites and we were just going
(24:19):
somewhere to on the dude somewhere, and this dude saw me,
and he was in the middle of proplys sizing and
he was on his box. And as I'm walking by,
he goes, oh, my god, if I don't see the
devil in connee in front of me, this man stealing
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a queen with the hot top fate and all these
dudes turned around. But at the time I was already
I was already studying there. I saw a lot of
community with ze love X and sub Rock made a
rest in peace. And what the Israelites didn't realize was
that I had a little bit of knowledge of self.
And there's also three questions that a black Israelite can't
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answer um and I knew those three questions at the time.
And I said to the dude, I said, yo, why
uh you know? Why me? Why would you step to
me like you know you don't even know me? Because
I know of you. I know, you know what you've done.
And I said, let me ask let me ask you
these three questions. And as soon as I said the
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three questions, his two boys like their eyes opened up
because they were like, oh, he has a little nod
to self. A man might want to chow for minute.
And he was like a devil, you know. I asked
the questions and I said, all right, I said, you
want you sure, you want me to do it in public,
but you want me to just whisper it in your
ear first, because I don't want to embarrass you and
I don't want to play you out in front of
you know, the people. And these people start a snickering
(25:47):
and laughing. He's like, now you can say it out laugh.
So one of the questions was about and I don't
remember them specifically, but one of them was about Abraham.
And I asked about this question about Abraham and he
got real you could see he was already fucked up.
And then I went to the second question, and uh,
you can started stammering, and by the time that time,
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I was like, you know what, I'm not even gonna
hit you with the third because you obviously don't realize
I have knowledge of self and realized that the black
man is God on the planet Earth. So I'm gonna
just take my queen to go get some food and
you have a good, nice day. And I said shaloon
to him, and he was your fucking devil using our
(26:29):
knowledge against us, voice getting all high pitched. I was like,
you might want to lower your pitch. God, you know,
you sound a little crazy. Um, But that's a great story.
I would love to see that in a movie. I was.
I was real fortunate because you know, and I had
a lot of friends who knew that I was just
a good dude. You know. My my mother and father
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made it rest in peace. Were always involved in things
that were about, um, just peace. My mother marched with
Martin Luther King. It's Elma, but it was also involved
in the World Jewish Congress and helping raise money for
Martin Luther King to get some of the churches from
the North down to Selma. Um. I always had all
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different types of people in my parents house, so it
wasn't um. I didn't grow up with any kind of
sense of people being black and white and white. It
was wrong or right. It was always wrong or right
in my house. So when we talk about the discussion
around white rappers, what what is your h I guess
(27:32):
take on your side, right, because there that is what
they are, right, the essentially are white rappers. But you
know it's almost as if they want to have an
agenda now, you know, they want to have a plight. Um,
we're the white rappers. So funny. Yeah, So it's like,
what is your take on that. I I don't know
(27:54):
if I have I don't know if I happened take,
but um, I think that I think it's hysterical beauty
even say that white rappers have a plight today, that's
the crist I think that might be the craziest thing
I've ever heard. Um, that might be the craziest thing
I've ever heard said. You know, one of the things
that I looked at recently that made me happy as
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I looked at the Spotify top album stopped streaming albums
the time top fifty going from a billion to seven
dred nine hundred million. With the exception of two white rappers,
everyone on there is a man or woman of color. Um.
So when they talk about this white takeover, this whitewashing
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of hip hop, I still honestly believe that there is
a enough of a force of recognition of what black
culture is that it is maintained not only systematically but
economically in the hands of men and women of color.
You are going to have a balance of white executives
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and white hartists. Um. The hope is that you have
more black executives and white executives, right, and that there
it becomes this counterculture in this sea level in the
music business where the men who actually and the women
who know the culture actually control the culture. Right. I
(29:24):
think there was a period of time there were I
think some people were afraid of that where it might
have been like two thousand and eight, two thousand nine
where you had like Action Bronson and you know, some
other Matt Miller and some other people, and people were like, oh,
here it comes, here comes the white wave. It's going
to take over you know, black music. Um, it just
didn't happen. Um. And as much as you know, I
(29:47):
love Jack Harlow, Um, Jack Harlow is like not even
in the top thirty on that list, you know. Um,
So I don't know if it's his Uh, I don't
know if it's white play should have I think there is,
but I think they're play that they're saying they're being
(30:07):
categorized unfairly based on the color of their skin. Uh,
you know, awesome, That is awesome. That is the most
awesome thing I've heard all day. And I mean that
completely sarcastically. UM. I think that a white wrapper complaining
about the color of their skin probably is the most
(30:27):
backwards should I ever heard, because they should not even
be involved in hip hop if that's how they feel.
Most artists who are of color, do you think that
they make music because they feel like they have another
way of getting to a economic uh equivalency in anything
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else that they can do in life. Today, I think
it's more balanced. I think you know when you came
up and before then, no, I think it was I
think it was the you know, the class line, you
either have a wake, jump shot crack rock. Well I haven't.
I have an addendum on that. I just I just
wrote it. I have a new album I'm putting out
with a group called the co Defendant said you either
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soul crack rock, I had a wicket jump shop in
one that you got TikTok. So the variable, sort of
variable is that if you are an artist of color, um,
you still have a lot of differentes. Actually do find
your lane. But I don't know if you are still
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in a place if a young man and woman comes
from Alabama, comes from Mississippi, comes from ben Rouge, comes
from a third ward, comes from anywhere else outside of
metropolitan city where they say, if I don't do hip hop,
I can make the exact same money. Blank, I think
that's changed. I don't think that's changed in fifty years.
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I don't think it's shanging. So I I really don't.
And now that doesn't mean there is an opportunity and
you're right there. But I think most men and women
of color, even to this day in see the out
of outside of their hood being either I'm making music
or I'm going to the service. And I mean not
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just just from what I see personally, you might be
experiencing something different than what I mean. I mean unfairly,
I'm in New York, so it's a little you know
what I mean. I think. So I think it's I
think it's a it's a juxtaposition between Okay, this is
what you have access to and this is what you
don't know you have, this is what you don't. You
don't have the knowledge to know, you have access to right,
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which still pushed them in the same predicament that they
are black kids for their life. But yeah, to the points,
to the point I'm trying to make is this so
I can't tell you. I really can't, and it's true.
I can't tell you how many white rappers that I've
met who three or four years ago made an attempt
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at a rap career and now work for their father
or work and are making making crazy sizable living or
went back to school or went or again. I'm not
and I really I don't want it to sound like
a blanket generalization. It's not. But I can't. I cannot
tell you how many white people that I've met who
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have attempted a rap career, who I see five years
later and now at or at a marketing firm, who
do documentaries, have created some sort of flexibility where they
were like, Okay, I can't do this, but I can
do that. Meanwhile, I can't tell you also how many
artists that I've met that don't make it and they
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are still trying and they're thirty five, thirty six, thirty seven,
thirty eight, thirty nine, forty one and they're just holding
on because that's what they hold on too. Like apathy. No,
I wouldn't say like because apathy is dope, Like I
think apathy is really dope, and apathy is one of
these personal m c s. I think has actually made
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a career like Thurston. How Like Thurston how made a
career of being able to put out a certain amount
of music that hits a certain level for the rest
of his career. Um. But I think that there's honestly
artists that just are just not gonna make it because
the vice is not good and they didn't pivot. And
I think it's because they just don't see outside their
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window anything to pivot too. Let's take a quick break
and we'll be back with what hip hop questions, legends
and lists. I think it's so I think it's so
apt that you made the mention of these white artists
having the ability to pivot, right, because even in music,
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they do that, right You You talk about when you
came in, um, and then after you there was the
kid Ro and they pivoted, Um, there were the I
mean even a guy like Mac Miller, he had that
pivot the last ever ever last, like post Alone, Like
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there's the they live in the m g K. Like
a lot of these white rappers have pivoted to two
more rock pop. How do you feel about that search
when white rappers do that, when they make that pivot
from coming in spitting to yeah, you know, I think,
but I think with so I think would ever Last
ever Last? Isn't He's always been an artist, Like I
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had the pleasure of No One ever Last when he
was signing to Ron Syndicate, you know, on ever Last,
and like he was an artist, Like he was always
an artist. Um. I think that when he did Whitey
Ford Sings the Blues, I think that that was certainly
a left field pivot, but he was always an artist. Um.
I just think that there is sir an amount of flexibility.
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I mean, but then again, look, you know Willi Smith
did with My Hair and now she's in a rock
band with Travis Barker and got the number one alternative
record in the world right now, Like you know, there's
plenty of yeah, but she was also like a kid,
like you know that was like a parody at not
a parody, but like that we weren't meant to take
her seriously as a rapper, right like when Kid Rock
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steps on the scene. Um, I mean I didn't experience it,
so I only am able to go for research. But
like when the Beastie Boys step in, like, these are
people you like, these are people who are rapping and
are asking for respect as rappers, you know from a
very at the time, very neats market. You know, hip
hop is and so meets anymore, but back then it
(36:43):
was a very neat thing. So if you're asking us
to accept you into this culture as a rapper, you know,
this very black thing. And then we turned around and
it's basically shadow on the spat on. It's like, you know,
there there's this uh you know, your nose is kind
of turned up ay fop culture. I was like, I've
I've ascended, I've elevated, you know, and I think the
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hip hop community as a whole takes that disrespect because
who used to say you elevate from hip hop and
you don't you know, but to switch gears real quick,
I know, I know we're sure on time. Um, I
wanted to ask you, how do you feel about you know,
white rappers that are being made by labels like a
bad Baby for an example, you know, who's just like
(37:26):
a a girl on doctor or something like that wasn't.
Yeah she was. She was on the catch Me, Catch
Me Outside. How do you feel about things like that
when you see those are trending and like they are
actually putting budgets behind this. Yeah, no, I think it's
the funniest shit ever. Um. I think that. You know,
when you look at uh, you know, you look at
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a bad baby. Um, you know, you look at someone
who really took advantage of every single opportunity she had
in growing an audience. I mean I was even before
her deal, you know, this girl was getting a hundred
thousand dollars to host parties in Vegas. Like it was crazy.
I mean, it was just insane. That's to say, cash
(38:08):
Me Outside. I mean, it's the opportunity, the opportunity, it's
the opportunity, so utilized the opportunities. I think she hit
a lick like that's all I think. I think America
loves America, loves America, loves everything about black culture except
(38:32):
for the black people, right, because if there was a
black girl on camera doing that would not be she
wouldn't be on that TV show. Let's get that. Let's
get that, right. She wouldn't be on Dr Phil. She
would not be on Dr Phil talking about catching doing that.
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How many loves I push, push, you know what, there's
a there's and there's an entire community in flor Alida
where she comes from. Um and I would strongly suggest
I have to find out the name of the city.
I don't know the name of it because I don't
really pay that much attention to where right right, But
there's an entire neighborhood and you guys should actually do
(39:15):
a show from down there. I have to find out
the name. But it's right from around where like she's
from the High l a High Aaliyah area in South Florida,
but right like more in central Florida. There's a neighborhood
that my homeboy came from and it's nine nine white
(39:36):
and they use the N word like in loving reference
away other people use the N word. I would love.
I would love to know where that area is because
because he because there's the thing, here's the thing. They
don't see it as a word that is derogatory towards
black folk. They just see it as a loving term
(39:57):
that they use with each other. I would do you
stop them. I don't see people whoever you see N
word who are white around me ever, like ever, Um,
you know, my kids are African American, Puerto Rican, Polish
Jewish kids and they don't use the N word. My
(40:18):
wife is not having that. Um, but I don't think
I've ever been around white people who have used the
N word, and supposedly in this town wherever this town
is like, it's just mean. I believe that if Florida
is a ship the whole place. So if you asked me,
(40:38):
did you ask me? No, no, no, no, I'm that's fine,
but they're not there anymore. Still, the point is that
Florida is such as Florida. If there's one place if
you were to ask the Tampa shout out to Orlando
window mirror, if you if you were to ask me
at the beginning of this interview, if you were to
ask me, said, hey, mouse, there's a city in the
(40:59):
United States where it's nothing but white people and they
all used the IN word. You you'd be like, wait that,
how is that Florida? It has to be in Florida.
That's Florida ship. That's why city like that, the city
like that. There's also one outside of Tennessee see, but
they're saying that in word differently, they're not saying they're
(41:21):
not saying e er and that, and that's just but
that's how we see. But that's how they So. So
here's the thing. So you take hip hop, you take
an insulated, insulated community. They're poor, so they're not leaving
their block. All they listen to is hip hop. All
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they see. All their heroes are, you know, shy d
mac dre n w A, Naso Tang so all they
grow up on. And that's how they resonate and communicate
with each other because they see other black men and
women calling themselves that and it does mean anything. It's
not negative, so they use it in a non negative manner.
(42:04):
It's just part of their vernacular. It's how they were rich.
They should not leave the city limits with that. And
I don't think they all. I don't think they are.
But you know, again, it's why I also don't know
the name of the city because I'm not trying to
go there. Um. But you know, I think I think
now at the end of the day, min the the
(42:25):
conversation white rappers being called white rappers. You know, at
this point in I think that the culture if you
look at the just the statistics of the culture, the
culture is very much controlled by the people that created it.
(42:49):
Um it might not be, no, it is. And I
mean if you just look at if you just look
at the raw data, if you just look at the data,
if you look at the amount of artists that are
on the charts, if you look at the amount of streams,
if you look at the highest paid artists, if you
look at all of that. I'm not talking about the
(43:09):
to the music and talking about talking about the actual
culture in which the music comes from, about the culture
the music comes from. And I also believe that there
is the conversations at lea it's not having behind the scenes.
I think in the next two years is going to
be also a seizemic shift and who controls the music.
You know, when you look at rock Nation, right, you
(43:30):
look at jay Z, look at rock Nation. The rock
is his, the nation is Live Nation. He's still got
to go to Micro Rapino, he still has to go
to white men and get a check. Now they're not
going to say no. But rock Nation is owned by
Live Nation. So as much as we look at jay
Z and we look at him as the entrepreneur that
he is, and he's an amazing entrepreneur. There's only a
(43:52):
certain ceiling he can go to before he has to
request to check. And when my friend said to me,
he goes, I want black men and women to get
to a point where we cut the checks, not asked
for the checks. Yeah, And that was so like eye
opening to me because I've never even thought of it
that way. You know, Rockefeller was Rockefellow was Dame Biggs
(44:14):
and Jay that was that was THEIRS. It was Theirs.
It changed to rock Nation when Rock Nation became partners
with Love Nation. Now that's not saying Love Nation would
ever say no to Jay. But there's only a certain
level that Jay can go as an entrepreneur until he
has to go to that board and say, hey, I
need blank to do blank. Yeah. So the same levels
(44:36):
that we're talking about in terms of free entrepreneurial ship
and total growth and total ownership, even our biggest entrepreneurs,
the most significant entrepreneurs in our culture still have to
go that one step above. Well, I think we're going
to get there, you know, like the next two years,
(45:00):
the next two years. Trust me when I tell you
that was the great accelerator that if you were going
to fail in five years, You've failed in one with
a great accelerators that I've never seen so many entrepreneurs
um pivot and literally say you know what, I can't
(45:22):
sit by and watch this happen. I'm gonna now make
a change, make a significant change. And a lot of
those men and a lot of those women behind the scenes.
In the next three months, it's going to be announcements
made where you're gonna be like, oh ship, that's what
search is talking about. And it's gonna be amazing for
the culture, and it's gonna be amazing for black entrepreneurs.
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It's going to be amazing for men and women who
are of color to control the destiny and cut the
checks instead of asking. I agree. That's why we want
this podcast with the Black Effect. Podcast Networks. Shout out
to Charleman. You know, he's a Rai's been doing that
coming crazy Um and Kevin Hart. It's a lot. It's
(46:03):
a lot of people doing great things. So I am happy,
and I think that, you know, somebody has to do
it first. I think jay Z's you know, to let it,
but he hasn't. What he's done is nothing short of
what he's done as a as an entrepreneurs. It's nothing
short of astonishing, definitely, it's just really uh, it's an
amazing machine that he's built over there. Yes, Search, thank
(46:25):
you so much for joining us today. And it was
a lot and this was a lot easier of a
conversation than our last one. So I appreciate that too.
Oh yeah, because you're not threatening me and you're telling
me my voice wasn't getting raised. But if you need
my address and you want to come down and find
a fair one, listen, listen. Can you tell us? Let
(46:46):
me tell you something. If I knew he was from Queens,
maybe I'd give him more of a pass. Brooklyn, Brooklyn,
Brooklyn Park. So she thought you were for South Ozone.
Oh no, Frock from rock us Search. We know you
got a podcast out. Can you tell us what the
name of that podcast is as well? Oh yeah, Well,
(47:08):
I mean I have my wife and I have a
podcast company called the Thomas Podcast Company. We just did
our first season, uh called did I Would tell you
the One about Big Daddy Cane? Season two is did
I Would tell you the one about them? If Dune?
And then I have my search as podcast, so we
have a couple more shows coming out, but excited about that.
(47:30):
That's dope. Congrats, thank you, thank you Search. We'll be
tapped in all right, thanks guys, no problem, Thank you
so much, Search for coming on today. That was definitely
a good and insightful conversation. Mouse. Did you learn something?
I learned that there the town in Florida where white
people go around and word and that's pretty much all
I learned, pretty much all I learned. Glad you guys
(47:52):
got to have that convo though, you know, after your
clubhouse to baby Block. Make sure you get the address too,
he said, he wants to give me an address so
we could shoot feeling. Oh god, co thank you. Um.
But yeah, one thing I will give him credit for
is back in the day he did say black cat
is bad luck, bad guys wear black. Must have been
a white guy that started all that, which to me,
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it gives me, I don't want to say the word hope.
White people don't hope in me don't go in the
same sentence, but it gives me a little insight to
know that he was, you know, early the early version
of woke, right, Um, so yeah, this is a woke line.
He said he was learned right, he was learned, learned
learning and light that's a strong term learned, yeah, which
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means somebody gave you some information. What is your take
on that though, Like on this ally ship, you know
when when artists, white artists specific, any artist, honestly, when
any artist says anything that is in support of a
another community, how do you feel? I like that they
acknowledge it. And I think if you're an ally you
should stand up in that because you know you stand
for something or for for any or stand for something
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or fall for anything. And um, I think that you
know if you do it, you just got to be
true about it. Don't just do it because it's trending
and a hashtags trending and you want some views or
something like. Do it because you actually mean it and
black culture means that much to you. Then really stand up,
really invest like Envy was saying, and show people how
do thing. That's a perfect way in this episode word
(49:24):
so we will see y'all called white rappers white rappers.
Yes to answer the not yeah, but hell yeah to
infinity and matter of fact, we need When you ask
that question, I want to hit Dave. I want to
hear stone cold hell yeah. That's what I wanted. I
want to hear. Give me a hell yeah, hell yeah.
(49:46):
But white rappers, you're white, okay, definitely white rappers. But
don't go around cold people black rappers. I know the
fucking stupid stuff y'all do. So don't be like, Okay,
so i'm gonna call you a black rapper, I'm gonna
beat your ass, not gonna hold you. If you walk
around calling people black rappers, I'm gonna beat your ass.
Nobody's doing that, That's what I'm saying. But because you
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have to, you have to account for the mindset. Somebody's
going to hear that and be like, well, if I'm
a white rapper, then I should not call you a
black rapper. No, no, no black rappers. If the minority
that gets the title, punch them. It's only a minority
that gets the title. Listen talking about this much white
people and wrap, it's starting to make me sick. So
(50:28):
can we like just in this all right? Cool? So
thank you guys for tuning in today. Of course, each
and every Monday, me and Mouse to be here on
the What Hip Hop Questions Legends list on your heart
radio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Shout out
to eight King and our main man, d Block. He
went through it today. You got a new name, though,
what is it? What was the name name? We called
(50:50):
him a new name? Who do you give him? We
did money White produces, D Block, No White producers, love
more White produces, Make white produces great again. I don't
remember the name. That's actually a good thing. Then let's
never but I liked it. Probably wasn't good one. You're
(51:12):
so mean. Listen one thing about D Block, he's you
told about somebody who's really forced the blocks and he's
had in a hot seat over one of Darren Camp
and it was boy, and it's willing to deal with
your crazy as it's us to know you're crazy, you know,
just amazing. Like there if there was a cam on
(51:36):
Darren right, or maybe Wenna got a goal pro for you.
I'm gonna tell the audio I'm gonna tell I'm gonna
tell you, I'm gonna tell you to make this clip
of like the like it should be a clip of
us talking me and Search going back and forth, and
like I'm just a meter of how red Darren was
every time he was getting nervous. I was about to
say something like Darren was like kept doing this when I'
actually Darren rubbed that bed am out. He's nervous mouth
(51:59):
is a handful lord of mirth. Well, that's why we
got two leads, right. We'll see you guys on Monday.
Later m
Up until recently, people used to say the term black
actor refern to our greats female comedians when talking about
comedians who you know, we're born with the vagina um.
But we're starting to see that less in the culture now,
like people are you know, getting there, just do now
it's just Denzel Washington the actor period, median Amy Schumer.
(00:25):
But when it comes to rappers, do you personally do
you still say white rapper, white rapper is a white rapper.
As long as uh, female mcs are still considered female mcs,
everybody has to wear their label. Why do you think
and rap it's so archaic When when referring to hip
hop and they're like, we still have these very archaic,
(00:47):
unpresive I'm not sure. I think that's just how the
culture traditionally has always been. When you're a minority within something,
they're always gonna add whatever your minority thing is. Yeah,
if it's female and it's that, it's white, it's white,
it's black. You know, like you do a job education,
it's like you gotta hire soon. I'm not an African American,
so they made you check that box. Like you know,
(01:09):
it's like it's very sharp, that's very sharp man, it's
a thing. So uh well, today, wonder what that is
the question that we're going to try and answer fully incompletely.
Do we still call white rappers white rappers? Oh? Yeah,
(01:30):
what's up guys, and welcome to the What hip Hop
Questions Legends and lest Mouse Today's topic. I know it's
one of your favorites. Why are you making that face
just because you skipped over saying hello to Deep Block? No, no,
you write it to my attention, my apologies. I'm just
(01:50):
so excited because I know how much you love our
previous convo. But of course, shout out to our producers
A King and Deep Block and not just any producers,
not just any producers. Okay, take aware you've been talking
in podcast producers. Can you feel me? You feel me?
It's not a game with us. Maybe top five by
(02:12):
the tennis is ain. I mean, who's not to say
when you got producers like A King and d Block.
Not seriously, big big salute and thank you, Thank you
guys for your hard work when it comes to us.
I know it's not easy dealing with us. I know
it's not easy dealing with Also, shout out to Dave
and Wheezy from WHF Studios. We easy to go to hell.
(02:34):
Shout to Dave. Don't no, no, no, we're not shouting
out because he keeps bringing us the many waters. But
it's not his fault. He's supposed to put the gun
playing Dave. We're taking shout out. Actually agree with her
at this point, and we are retracting. We are retracting
our shoutout. Hopefully next week, hopefully, next week. You got
(02:55):
this ship together, We got some waters. He does not
care to be shouted out on this podcast, probably the
only time we mentioned David. We're talking about what you
believe his name out. He don't even deserve ye oh man.
But today we have a very special guest joining us
with this conversation. A guest. Yes, we have a special
(03:18):
guest because today we're answering the question do we still
consider white rappers white rappers? We got empty search coming on.
So before he comes on, mouse, name your top fifty
favorite white rappers. Zero. My favorite white rapper is the
one who said should I wrap? And then didn't? Okay, alright,
(03:43):
so yeah, okay, Seriously, that last is just so evil,
like what because not only is it a funny joke,
but it's really true. I need you to work like
I literally want to send thank you cards. You know
it for all the white non rappers listening to our show.
(04:04):
If you ever thought about rapping, you ever wrote a bar,
you ever had your rhyme book full of wraps that
you really felt in your heart was like top raps,
and you threw that book out, he said, I'm not
doing it right into the what d M ME DM
DMN the page uh at the what hip Hop pod?
(04:25):
I want to send you a thank you called So
you don't think white people should be rapping at all?
So many you don't enjoy it any rapper they are.
There are certain records that Eminem released early on that
I liked a lot, like to this day, like no
the words too um but no white rappers like straight
(04:46):
Jack Harlow. No, you don't like Jack Harder, No, I
think it's really I think I think he's really really
really like he's another guy like I feel like the
same way Jack Carlo raps. If he was black, he
wouldn't even we would never mention him. I don't think
so he's not he's not like exponentially he's not like
(05:07):
really profoundly good at any he's a he's a rapper
that can rap. Yeah, that's what you want when you
say good rappers over Megan the Stallion. Now you're telling
me that Jack Carlo is not a good rapper. No
he's Yeah, it's it's the standship you have for this
white man. No, it's the stanship, but for a good rapper.
But he's not a good rapper, he's just a rapper whatever.
(05:30):
Al Right, So if we had to invite no one,
I already see where're about to go with this. No one, No,
there's no white you know what invited were too absolutely not.
Our ancestors did not make this cookout to invite white people.
He's just saying the cookout, that's where it comes from.
(05:52):
The cookout. Like, can you imagine Harriet Tubman looking at
our invite lists and seeing white people on it? Should
roll over in the grave, roll the funk over. Well,
I'm not going to say that I will bring Paul
wallter plate, though Paul wall can definitely get a plate
outside the cookout, like he could pull up. I'll give
(06:14):
an address. You're not gonna let eminem inside the cookout.
Security would be what I would have. I would have
all my homey cousins. What his ass on entrance? Like
what why are you here? Why are you? Why you
got me sitting next to this man? What I'm just
you asked me that this is the thing about our
(06:35):
our culture, Like stop asking questions and then feeling away
when you get I hear you. But I think the
stands is just a little Why is Eminem invited to
the cookout? Answer the question? I'm gonna say this. We
have allies like, yes, you're not answering the question. Why
is Eminem invited? Because of the impact that he's had
(06:55):
on not only our culture, but the entire word and
the entire world aspects to wrap what what impact Eminem
had on Black culture? He's dropped Wait yeah, albums that
are we still say stand stand Eminem at the world chest.
Then what impact has Eminem had on black culture? That
(07:23):
Eminem had an impact on black culture? Why you invite
him to the cookout? That Eminem had an impact on
hip hop, He's the first, like multimillion dollar white we had.
That's an impact. Therefore, so that invites that That means
he should get invited to the cookout. That is here
to represent to the cookout. If he's if he's an ally.
(07:49):
Here's the thing. Here the thing, and this is what
I call bullshit on a lot. You guys are so
willing to extend these invites and then cry when you're
not invited to these same things done by the people
you're inviting over here. I'm not inviting the nigga that's
running the Grammys. I'm inviting somebody who is a he's
(08:10):
a white man. Let him be, say thank you, then
say thank you, or you don't have to invite him
into our space because the problem is when you invite
him to our space to cookout. Like everything, the everything
in this world has a capacity limit. No everything, no, no,
let me finish, please, Everything has a capacity limit, yes, right, everything,
(08:34):
even the park. We love to think of a park
as this plate, but you can only have many people
at the park, right, So, you inviting that white man
means one black person can't come? Are you okay with that?
Don't give it. Don't give me any caveats. I just
need an answer. No, there can't be a copy. Ask
you a very simple question. You inviting this white man
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his presence at this cookout means a black person is
not gonna be able to come. In and get a
It doesn't matter because the cookout of not just hip hop,
to cook out of black culture as a whole. So
we got a few no shows. Well they're next other
black people you can never invite. So post Malone coming
with the acoustic guitar, I'm going to like it. I'm
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not God, I'm not mad. I'm not mad at post
Malone coming through, but you I'm not mad at post
Malone coming through because I'm not saying that I'm personally
doing these invites. I'm saying I don't see why they
can't come if they're an ally Action Bronson. He might
be cooking something. He might cook something nice and that's fine.
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Say you can't really like say yes or no, because
I'm not really like a fan of too many of
the people that were named about Easy Easy coming through
with the CARDI bat like, I don't personally easy, so
I wouldn't do it. I don't care if I do it.
You know one person, little Dickie, absolutely not listen to
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a little I know about five Paul war Versus off
the top of my head, like no, he can stand
outside and I'll bring him a play, a really good one.
Doubled up with the mac and cheese in the yams, touching,
But you cannot come in here because that would take
up space that should be for a black person. That's
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the thing about this cookout. A lot of people think
of it as this black Twitter gumption that really doesn't exist,
when really it is. It really exists. A cookout is
just celebration of all things black, which is not just
hip hop. I know it's hard for a hip people
to understand, but there is not just hip hop. That
is not hip hop, is not just this broad stroke
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that represents all of black culture. So I'm talking about
black people in medicine, black people in tech, black people
in stem, black people in banking, black people, all of
these black people. I'm not going to waste to invite
on a white person simply because this is just for us. Also,
they don't invite us to their ship. We have to
fucking march and get legislation to be invited to their ship.
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They were just sucking befoon the reading me. So the
cookout is black. It is for black people. If you're
an ally, then you understand that and are not offended
by your lack of invitation because you understand that the
representation amongst black people is more important than your validation
by being invited. That part is true, that whole statement
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isn't true, but that in part the entire statement is true.
What that's fine? You have good feel I don't want
to tell a black woman had to field you got
it because it works both ways. But um now I'm
you're gonna be very upset when they now how many
Bob Mitchells have they invited you to DJ? Can Action
Bronson bring a plate? Can he bring? Can he drop
off a plate? I will say no because that's I'll
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be like, because now you're telling me that you bring
this weird ship to be cooking? Absolutely not lack. What's
the worst cast role you've ever been accosted by? I
don't like cast roll too much? Is there a reason why?
Growing up it was a suoner? Start listening about like,
oh my taste my palette for castroll has depleted. I'm
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not gonna lie. This might be my favorite episode. This
is good, but seriously, like growing up you had to
experience cast role? Yeah? What what had been the worst?
Like mac and cheese castroles or like like nasty ones
with yeah, like the one you're just like, why would
you do this? Peggy Raisins? And I'm sorry for triggering you.
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That's traumatic. You remember that me? Remember that meme on Twitter?
It's like, no, it's a video on Twitter? Where where's
these three beautiful older black women? And you can tell
that to Twilight like they have seen it all and
they are sitting here in like this huddle discussing why
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would one of the sisters put Raisins in the in
the potato salad. She's like, why would you do that?
And she was so perplexed. It's like the greatest video
I've seen in my life. I love that. All right,
So let's answer today's question. W rappers, bring on. I mean,
we already know the answer before we go anywhere. Hip
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hop is obsessed with watch More. Yeah, uh so who
is the white? What we're doing? Darren is? I see
what's going on? D Block historical d Block has chosen violence.
Every step of this recording from the guest list, every
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answer this has chosen violence to fall on me. Give
me the white more right, I will not doesn't have
to just be all artists that I'm going crazy Town.
Crazy Town is on there because you talk about somebody
living in there and that that intersection of wrap in
rock and come my lady, come come, oh my god,
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you're not putting them on the white crazy Town is
going on that? Baby? Um all right, I know I'm
a huge Dame fan. So this feels like I'm betraying them.
Lee Or is going on the list Lee or Cohen
or Leo Cohen is on the white bunt much more
we are Cohen is going on this. Okay, No, we're not.
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He bailed out too early. He bailed out early. When
he says, Leon Coren, please insert him when you put
or what I say, you said Leon Cohen, when you
put on Cohen, make sure you put the decks of
laboratory meme of him filling Dame Dash please say go
ahead fail. Okay, we got two more. Alchemists got to
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go up there. Alchemist is great producer. Alchemis has to
go up there. Man, I don't a fourth I'm stretching here. No,
I'm not pool without of depth, wol Honestly, if we're
being honest, just you know, for the sake of of
of of you know, podcasting, it could have been Paul
Wall four times Paul Wall for each one of his
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legendary verses. He has four legendary verses, all four of
them got got him? Does he go on with the
gold fronts all one and then on the other one
with the regular fronts the other ones, with the ones
that illuminate the dark? When he smiles like, let's not
play with Paul Wall all right, I'm doing too much
standing for white people. I don't have like an extensive
knowledge on white people within hip hop on on a
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absolutely not. So I'm just based off of the white
rappers that I listened to. Are you actively listening to
white rappers? Did it? I do actively listen to Yes,
I like his music. I actively listen to mcmiller like
his music. Eminem put on there because I listened to
him when I was a kid, and another white person
I listened to Paula. So I can't believe you put
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crazy Town that Come My Lady, Come Come. That record
is fire? Can we play fifteen seconds of that record? Like?
That is well within our fair us act If we
have ever played a song, No, I don't want the
first one we played on the podcast to be my
white but if there ever was, it would have been
playing fifteen seconds of Come My lady. Come, come, my lady.
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That record is fire. I think you just like the hook.
I think you're right. No, he had bars. That verse
was bars. You're fine, You're front what you're feeling. Denzelia
acting like it's not appealing when you are such a sexy, sexy,
pretty little thing. Fierce nipple Piers. You got me sprung
with your tongue ring and I ain't gonna lie because
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you're loving gets me high. So to keep you by
my side, there's nothing I won't try. What's the name
of that song, Come my lady. Oh no, it's called Butterfly.
I love to see you appreciate white rappers. This is
a rare sight. That's not a white rapper crazy town.
This is like not Darren get not Darren gate keeping it.
Inviting them to the white crazy is not well. Derek
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questioning about this white cookout. Since we're on the topic,
what's the uh what? What is some of the culinary
um feats on display at the white cookout? Probably homemade
mac and cheese, Oh god, with Lvita cheese. That's we
bake it milk. So if they have just Lvita and
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you bake it is gonna get that weird little how
you do it. Let's get to our guests. Let's get
it to our guests. But from the legend I will
not front from the legendary group Third Base. We have
m she searched, So we're gonna go pay some bills
and when we get back, we'll be talking to Search.
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All right, guys, welcome back to the what We have
a very special guests on MC search from the legendary
rapper group Third Base, and we're trying to answer the
question today are white rappers still consider white rappers? Now,
before we like get into the debate, I just want
to back up real quick, what was or how old
were you when you got your first deal? I was
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twenty years old, twenty and to get it at UM
such a young age, Like how did you like just
tell us your backstory for those who don't know UM.
I you know, I came up UM at a time
before UM rap music was on vinyl or just you know,
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we had cassette tapes, you know, third and fourth generation
cassette tapes of different rappers and park chains. My first
day at high school when I went to school in Harlem,
group that I had loved when I was coming up
called the Kango Crew. I got to see in person
in a lunch room. Um, they had a lot of
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really funny skits and I just, you know, I couldn't
believe that. I was like actually in front of Cango Crew.
It was like you know Slick Rick or Ricky d
at the time, Dana Dane and Lance Omega um and no,
it was just all in front of me. But um,
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I've never seen a white person wrong before until I
saw it, this dude Vanilla B from Brooklyn um Rhyman
in that same cyphone. And uh, you know it was
known made known to me early on that you know,
this was not something that was for white people. It
was just it was a black art form and you know,
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you could listen to it, you can enjoy it, but
participating and it was not something that was It was
just it was just something that you just knew not
to do. Um. And it wasn't until I started, you know,
writing my wrongs and letting my friends here at that
they were like, yo, you should battle you know, and uh,
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It's kind of how I started, was being a battle rappers.
So I was going two different projects with my friends
and battle in different m c s. And uh, it's
kind of how I got my rep and that's also
how I got my deal. I was in a battle
called the New Music Seminar Battle for World Supremacy, and
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that's when Russell Simmons saw me and he said, Hey,
if anybody asks you, you know, tell me you signed
the Deaf champl So that's kind of how I got
my start is as a battle M scene, and that's
kind of how I got my reputation in New York.
Um was just being a battle M scene. You know.
There was this kid MC search and a lot of
people thought it was Puerto Rican or a lot of
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people thought it was like like light skinned black, like
they think I was a white too. Um. But yeah,
I just I just always had it in the back
of my head that I was a visitor. And it
really wasn't until, like I'm my recording contract that I
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not only took a position of not only being a visitor,
but making sure that other people knew that I knew
I was a visitor. I think taking a position about that,
I think it's dope. You know that you know, people
saw you and automatically kind of counted you out, like
underdogged you. But then you know when it comes to like, um,
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like as a kid growing up watching like YouTube videos
doing rabbit hole getting stuck in it, like seeing a
white guy would have fade, it's kind of like, oh,
I've never seen nothing like this, even like still to
this day, not like a common thing. So did you
catch like a lot of flak for that? And even
like the topics that you talked about, you know very
um you know take gonna stand in favor of black people,
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would like, did you catch a lot of flag foot? Well?
I mean I had, you know, I had. I had
a jew frow, like it was just what I was.
I had a big gass afro from the time I
was like thirteen, fourteen years old and my man's up
rock me rest in peace. Um, just one day it
was like, yo, you know you could have a hot
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top Faith And I was like, I don't think that's
really gonna stick. And he cut it and cut my
hot top Faith. And I remember the first time I
went out to the land Quarter with my hot top,
this girl came over to me and she was like, oh,
your hair so fresh. Can I touch your hair? And
I was like, no, can I touch your hair? I
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focus wrong? With what the fund is. No, No, you
can't touch my hair, so you gotta afrol You got
an afro with no hairs very seriously, No, No, it
just stayed. It just stayed that way. Um just yeah,
I never used any hair products in my I just
always had to pick with me. I always had an
afro and that I had a hot to fade and
it just it was what it was. Back in the day.
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There wasn't any social media. So when you're when you're
walking around with this hip top fade and you're participating
in the hip hop, was there some type of any
type of conversation maybe if they didn't have the proper
language for appropriation. There was always a conversation. There was
always someone who would come up to me and test me.
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Um my personal favorite if you remember, and it might
be still this way in New York. I haven't been
to New York in a long time. But like back
in the in the two days when we used to
go to the twos to watch Kung Fu flick and
quarter the around forty four Street, there'd be the Black
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Israelites and they would talk about you know, original Man,
and they would talk about the formation of the planet
Earth and talking about how modern culture and all forms
of religion was stolen from the black men. And I
remember this one time. I was with my my girlfriend
at the time, who's not my wife, and we were
walking by the black Israelites and we were just going
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somewhere to on the dude somewhere, and this dude saw me,
and he was in the middle of proplys sizing and
he was on his box. And as I'm walking by,
he goes, oh, my god, if I don't see the
devil in connee in front of me, this man stealing
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a queen with the hot top fate and all these
dudes turned around. But at the time I was already
I was already studying there. I saw a lot of
community with ze love X and sub Rock made a
rest in peace. And what the Israelites didn't realize was
that I had a little bit of knowledge of self.
And there's also three questions that a black Israelite can't
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answer um and I knew those three questions at the time.
And I said to the dude, I said, yo, why
uh you know? Why me? Why would you step to
me like you know you don't even know me? Because
I know of you. I know, you know what you've done.
And I said, let me ask let me ask you
these three questions. And as soon as I said the
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three questions, his two boys like their eyes opened up
because they were like, oh, he has a little nod
to self. A man might want to chow for minute.
And he was like a devil, you know. I asked
the questions and I said, all right, I said, you
want you sure, you want me to do it in public,
but you want me to just whisper it in your
ear first, because I don't want to embarrass you and
I don't want to play you out in front of
you know, the people. And these people start a snickering
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and laughing. He's like, now you can say it out laugh.
So one of the questions was about and I don't
remember them specifically, but one of them was about Abraham.
And I asked about this question about Abraham and he
got real you could see he was already fucked up.
And then I went to the second question, and uh,
you can started stammering, and by the time that time,
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I was like, you know what, I'm not even gonna
hit you with the third because you obviously don't realize
I have knowledge of self and realized that the black
man is God on the planet Earth. So I'm gonna
just take my queen to go get some food and
you have a good, nice day. And I said shaloon
to him, and he was your fucking devil using our
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knowledge against us, voice getting all high pitched. I was like,
you might want to lower your pitch. God, you know,
you sound a little crazy. Um, But that's a great story.
I would love to see that in a movie. I was.
I was real fortunate because you know, and I had
a lot of friends who knew that I was just
a good dude. You know. My my mother and father
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made it rest in peace. Were always involved in things
that were about, um, just peace. My mother marched with
Martin Luther King. It's Elma, but it was also involved
in the World Jewish Congress and helping raise money for
Martin Luther King to get some of the churches from
the North down to Selma. Um. I always had all
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different types of people in my parents house, so it
wasn't um. I didn't grow up with any kind of
sense of people being black and white and white. It
was wrong or right. It was always wrong or right
in my house. So when we talk about the discussion
around white rappers, what what is your h I guess
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take on your side, right, because there that is what
they are, right, the essentially are white rappers. But you
know it's almost as if they want to have an
agenda now, you know, they want to have a plight. Um,
we're the white rappers. So funny. Yeah, So it's like,
what is your take on that. I I don't know
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if I have I don't know if I happened take,
but um, I think that I think it's hysterical beauty
even say that white rappers have a plight today, that's
the crist I think that might be the craziest thing
I've ever heard. Um, that might be the craziest thing
I've ever heard said. You know, one of the things
that I looked at recently that made me happy as
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I looked at the Spotify top album stopped streaming albums
the time top fifty going from a billion to seven
dred nine hundred million. With the exception of two white rappers,
everyone on there is a man or woman of color. Um.
So when they talk about this white takeover, this whitewashing
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of hip hop, I still honestly believe that there is
a enough of a force of recognition of what black
culture is that it is maintained not only systematically but
economically in the hands of men and women of color.
You are going to have a balance of white executives
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and white hartists. Um. The hope is that you have
more black executives and white executives, right, and that there
it becomes this counterculture in this sea level in the
music business where the men who actually and the women
who know the culture actually control the culture. Right. I
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think there was a period of time there were I
think some people were afraid of that where it might
have been like two thousand and eight, two thousand nine
where you had like Action Bronson and you know, some
other Matt Miller and some other people, and people were like, oh,
here it comes, here comes the white wave. It's going
to take over you know, black music. Um, it just
didn't happen. Um. And as much as you know, I
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love Jack Harlow, Um, Jack Harlow is like not even
in the top thirty on that list, you know. Um,
So I don't know if it's his Uh, I don't
know if it's white play should have I think there is,
but I think they're play that they're saying they're being
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categorized unfairly based on the color of their skin. Uh,
you know, awesome, That is awesome. That is the most
awesome thing I've heard all day. And I mean that
completely sarcastically. UM. I think that a white wrapper complaining
about the color of their skin probably is the most
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backwards should I ever heard, because they should not even
be involved in hip hop if that's how they feel.
Most artists who are of color, do you think that
they make music because they feel like they have another
way of getting to a economic uh equivalency in anything
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else that they can do in life. Today, I think
it's more balanced. I think you know when you came
up and before then, no, I think it was I
think it was the you know, the class line, you
either have a wake, jump shot crack rock. Well I haven't.
I have an addendum on that. I just I just
wrote it. I have a new album I'm putting out
with a group called the co Defendant said you either
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soul crack rock, I had a wicket jump shop in
one that you got TikTok. So the variable, sort of
variable is that if you are an artist of color, um,
you still have a lot of differentes. Actually do find
your lane. But I don't know if you are still
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in a place if a young man and woman comes
from Alabama, comes from Mississippi, comes from ben Rouge, comes
from a third ward, comes from anywhere else outside of
metropolitan city where they say, if I don't do hip hop,
I can make the exact same money. Blank, I think
that's changed. I don't think that's changed in fifty years.
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I don't think it's shanging. So I I really don't.
And now that doesn't mean there is an opportunity and
you're right there. But I think most men and women
of color, even to this day in see the out
of outside of their hood being either I'm making music
or I'm going to the service. And I mean not
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just just from what I see personally, you might be
experiencing something different than what I mean. I mean unfairly,
I'm in New York, so it's a little you know
what I mean. I think. So I think it's I
think it's a it's a juxtaposition between Okay, this is
what you have access to and this is what you
don't know you have, this is what you don't. You
don't have the knowledge to know, you have access to right,
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which still pushed them in the same predicament that they
are black kids for their life. But yeah, to the points,
to the point I'm trying to make is this so
I can't tell you. I really can't, and it's true.
I can't tell you how many white rappers that I've
met who three or four years ago made an attempt
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at a rap career and now work for their father
or work and are making making crazy sizable living or
went back to school or went or again. I'm not
and I really I don't want it to sound like
a blanket generalization. It's not. But I can't. I cannot
tell you how many white people that I've met who
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have attempted a rap career, who I see five years
later and now at or at a marketing firm, who
do documentaries, have created some sort of flexibility where they
were like, Okay, I can't do this, but I can
do that. Meanwhile, I can't tell you also how many
artists that I've met that don't make it and they
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are still trying and they're thirty five, thirty six, thirty seven,
thirty eight, thirty nine, forty one and they're just holding
on because that's what they hold on too. Like apathy. No,
I wouldn't say like because apathy is dope, Like I
think apathy is really dope, and apathy is one of
these personal m c s. I think has actually made
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a career like Thurston. How Like Thurston how made a
career of being able to put out a certain amount
of music that hits a certain level for the rest
of his career. Um. But I think that there's honestly
artists that just are just not gonna make it because
the vice is not good and they didn't pivot. And
I think it's because they just don't see outside their
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window anything to pivot too. Let's take a quick break
and we'll be back with what hip hop questions, legends
and lists. I think it's so I think it's so
apt that you made the mention of these white artists
having the ability to pivot, right, because even in music,
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they do that, right You You talk about when you
came in, um, and then after you there was the
kid Ro and they pivoted, Um, there were the I
mean even a guy like Mac Miller, he had that
pivot the last ever ever last, like post Alone, Like
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there's the they live in the m g K. Like
a lot of these white rappers have pivoted to two
more rock pop. How do you feel about that search
when white rappers do that, when they make that pivot
from coming in spitting to yeah, you know, I think,
but I think with so I think would ever Last
ever Last? Isn't He's always been an artist, Like I
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had the pleasure of No One ever Last when he
was signing to Ron Syndicate, you know, on ever Last,
and like he was an artist, Like he was always
an artist. Um. I think that when he did Whitey
Ford Sings the Blues, I think that that was certainly
a left field pivot, but he was always an artist. Um.
I just think that there is sir an amount of flexibility.
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I mean, but then again, look, you know Willi Smith
did with My Hair and now she's in a rock
band with Travis Barker and got the number one alternative
record in the world right now, Like you know, there's
plenty of yeah, but she was also like a kid,
like you know that was like a parody at not
a parody, but like that we weren't meant to take
her seriously as a rapper, right like when Kid Rock
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steps on the scene. Um, I mean I didn't experience it,
so I only am able to go for research. But
like when the Beastie Boys step in, like, these are
people you like, these are people who are rapping and
are asking for respect as rappers, you know from a
very at the time, very neats market. You know, hip
hop is and so meets anymore, but back then it
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was a very neat thing. So if you're asking us
to accept you into this culture as a rapper, you know,
this very black thing. And then we turned around and
it's basically shadow on the spat on. It's like, you know,
there there's this uh you know, your nose is kind
of turned up ay fop culture. I was like, I've
I've ascended, I've elevated, you know, and I think the
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hip hop community as a whole takes that disrespect because
who used to say you elevate from hip hop and
you don't you know, but to switch gears real quick,
I know, I know we're sure on time. Um, I
wanted to ask you, how do you feel about you know,
white rappers that are being made by labels like a
bad Baby for an example, you know, who's just like
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a a girl on doctor or something like that wasn't.
Yeah she was. She was on the catch Me, Catch
Me Outside. How do you feel about things like that
when you see those are trending and like they are
actually putting budgets behind this. Yeah, no, I think it's
the funniest shit ever. Um. I think that. You know,
when you look at uh, you know, you look at
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a bad baby. Um, you know, you look at someone
who really took advantage of every single opportunity she had
in growing an audience. I mean I was even before
her deal, you know, this girl was getting a hundred
thousand dollars to host parties in Vegas. Like it was crazy.
I mean, it was just insane. That's to say, cash
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Me Outside. I mean, it's the opportunity, the opportunity, it's
the opportunity, so utilized the opportunities. I think she hit
a lick like that's all I think. I think America
loves America, loves America, loves everything about black culture except
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for the black people, right, because if there was a
black girl on camera doing that would not be she
wouldn't be on that TV show. Let's get that. Let's
get that, right. She wouldn't be on Dr Phil. She
would not be on Dr Phil talking about catching doing that.
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How many loves I push, push, you know what, there's
a there's and there's an entire community in flor Alida
where she comes from. Um and I would strongly suggest
I have to find out the name of the city.
I don't know the name of it because I don't
really pay that much attention to where right right, But
there's an entire neighborhood and you guys should actually do
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a show from down there. I have to find out
the name. But it's right from around where like she's
from the High l a High Aaliyah area in South Florida,
but right like more in central Florida. There's a neighborhood
that my homeboy came from and it's nine nine white
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and they use the N word like in loving reference
away other people use the N word. I would love.
I would love to know where that area is because
because he because there's the thing, here's the thing. They
don't see it as a word that is derogatory towards
black folk. They just see it as a loving term
(39:57):
that they use with each other. I would do you
stop them. I don't see people whoever you see N
word who are white around me ever, like ever, Um,
you know, my kids are African American, Puerto Rican, Polish
Jewish kids and they don't use the N word. My
(40:18):
wife is not having that. Um, but I don't think
I've ever been around white people who have used the
N word, and supposedly in this town wherever this town
is like, it's just mean. I believe that if Florida
is a ship the whole place. So if you asked me,
(40:38):
did you ask me? No, no, no, no, I'm that's fine,
but they're not there anymore. Still, the point is that
Florida is such as Florida. If there's one place if
you were to ask the Tampa shout out to Orlando
window mirror, if you if you were to ask me
at the beginning of this interview, if you were to
ask me, said, hey, mouse, there's a city in the
(40:59):
United States where it's nothing but white people and they
all used the IN word. You you'd be like, wait that,
how is that Florida? It has to be in Florida.
That's Florida ship. That's why city like that, the city
like that. There's also one outside of Tennessee see, but
they're saying that in word differently, they're not saying they're
(41:21):
not saying e er and that, and that's just but
that's how we see. But that's how they So. So
here's the thing. So you take hip hop, you take
an insulated, insulated community. They're poor, so they're not leaving
their block. All they listen to is hip hop. All
(41:42):
they see. All their heroes are, you know, shy d
mac dre n w A, Naso Tang so all they
grow up on. And that's how they resonate and communicate
with each other because they see other black men and
women calling themselves that and it does mean anything. It's
not negative, so they use it in a non negative manner.
(42:04):
It's just part of their vernacular. It's how they were rich.
They should not leave the city limits with that. And
I don't think they all. I don't think they are.
But you know, again, it's why I also don't know
the name of the city because I'm not trying to
go there. Um. But you know, I think I think
now at the end of the day, min the the
(42:25):
conversation white rappers being called white rappers. You know, at
this point in I think that the culture if you
look at the just the statistics of the culture, the
culture is very much controlled by the people that created it.
(42:49):
Um it might not be, no, it is. And I
mean if you just look at if you just look
at the raw data, if you just look at the data,
if you look at the amount of artists that are
on the charts, if you look at the amount of streams,
if you look at the highest paid artists, if you
look at all of that. I'm not talking about the
(43:09):
to the music and talking about talking about the actual
culture in which the music comes from, about the culture
the music comes from. And I also believe that there
is the conversations at lea it's not having behind the scenes.
I think in the next two years is going to
be also a seizemic shift and who controls the music.
You know, when you look at rock Nation, right, you
(43:30):
look at jay Z, look at rock Nation. The rock
is his, the nation is Live Nation. He's still got
to go to Micro Rapino, he still has to go
to white men and get a check. Now they're not
going to say no. But rock Nation is owned by
Live Nation. So as much as we look at jay
Z and we look at him as the entrepreneur that
he is, and he's an amazing entrepreneur. There's only a
(43:52):
certain ceiling he can go to before he has to
request to check. And when my friend said to me,
he goes, I want black men and women to get
to a point where we cut the checks, not asked
for the checks. Yeah, And that was so like eye
opening to me because I've never even thought of it
that way. You know, Rockefeller was Rockefellow was Dame Biggs
(44:14):
and Jay that was that was THEIRS. It was Theirs.
It changed to rock Nation when Rock Nation became partners
with Love Nation. Now that's not saying Love Nation would
ever say no to Jay. But there's only a certain
level that Jay can go as an entrepreneur until he
has to go to that board and say, hey, I
need blank to do blank. Yeah. So the same levels
(44:36):
that we're talking about in terms of free entrepreneurial ship
and total growth and total ownership, even our biggest entrepreneurs,
the most significant entrepreneurs in our culture still have to
go that one step above. Well, I think we're going
to get there, you know, like the next two years,
(45:00):
the next two years. Trust me when I tell you
that was the great accelerator that if you were going
to fail in five years, You've failed in one with
a great accelerators that I've never seen so many entrepreneurs
um pivot and literally say you know what, I can't
(45:22):
sit by and watch this happen. I'm gonna now make
a change, make a significant change. And a lot of
those men and a lot of those women behind the scenes.
In the next three months, it's going to be announcements
made where you're gonna be like, oh ship, that's what
search is talking about. And it's gonna be amazing for
the culture, and it's gonna be amazing for black entrepreneurs.
(45:42):
It's going to be amazing for men and women who
are of color to control the destiny and cut the
checks instead of asking. I agree. That's why we want
this podcast with the Black Effect. Podcast Networks. Shout out
to Charleman. You know, he's a Rai's been doing that
coming crazy Um and Kevin Hart. It's a lot. It's
(46:03):
a lot of people doing great things. So I am happy,
and I think that, you know, somebody has to do
it first. I think jay Z's you know, to let it,
but he hasn't. What he's done is nothing short of
what he's done as a as an entrepreneurs. It's nothing
short of astonishing, definitely, it's just really uh, it's an
amazing machine that he's built over there. Yes, Search, thank
(46:25):
you so much for joining us today. And it was
a lot and this was a lot easier of a
conversation than our last one. So I appreciate that too.
Oh yeah, because you're not threatening me and you're telling
me my voice wasn't getting raised. But if you need
my address and you want to come down and find
a fair one, listen, listen. Can you tell us? Let
(46:46):
me tell you something. If I knew he was from Queens,
maybe I'd give him more of a pass. Brooklyn, Brooklyn,
Brooklyn Park. So she thought you were for South Ozone.
Oh no, Frock from rock us Search. We know you
got a podcast out. Can you tell us what the
name of that podcast is as well? Oh yeah, Well,
(47:08):
I mean I have my wife and I have a
podcast company called the Thomas Podcast Company. We just did
our first season, uh called did I Would tell you
the One about Big Daddy Cane? Season two is did
I Would tell you the one about them? If Dune?
And then I have my search as podcast, so we
have a couple more shows coming out, but excited about that.
(47:30):
That's dope. Congrats, thank you, thank you Search. We'll be
tapped in all right, thanks guys, no problem, Thank you
so much, Search for coming on today. That was definitely
a good and insightful conversation. Mouse. Did you learn something?
I learned that there the town in Florida where white
people go around and word and that's pretty much all
I learned, pretty much all I learned. Glad you guys
(47:52):
got to have that convo though, you know, after your
clubhouse to baby Block. Make sure you get the address too,
he said, he wants to give me an address so
we could shoot feeling. Oh god, co thank you. Um.
But yeah, one thing I will give him credit for
is back in the day he did say black cat
is bad luck, bad guys wear black. Must have been
a white guy that started all that, which to me,
(48:15):
it gives me, I don't want to say the word hope.
White people don't hope in me don't go in the
same sentence, but it gives me a little insight to
know that he was, you know, early the early version
of woke, right, Um, so yeah, this is a woke line.
He said he was learned right, he was learned, learned
learning and light that's a strong term learned, yeah, which
(48:39):
means somebody gave you some information. What is your take
on that though, Like on this ally ship, you know
when when artists, white artists specific, any artist, honestly, when
any artist says anything that is in support of a
another community, how do you feel? I like that they
acknowledge it. And I think if you're an ally you
should stand up in that because you know you stand
for something or for for any or stand for something
(49:02):
or fall for anything. And um, I think that you
know if you do it, you just got to be
true about it. Don't just do it because it's trending
and a hashtags trending and you want some views or
something like. Do it because you actually mean it and
black culture means that much to you. Then really stand up,
really invest like Envy was saying, and show people how
do thing. That's a perfect way in this episode word
(49:24):
so we will see y'all called white rappers white rappers.
Yes to answer the not yeah, but hell yeah to
infinity and matter of fact, we need When you ask
that question, I want to hit Dave. I want to
hear stone cold hell yeah. That's what I wanted. I
want to hear. Give me a hell yeah, hell yeah.
(49:46):
But white rappers, you're white, okay, definitely white rappers. But
don't go around cold people black rappers. I know the
fucking stupid stuff y'all do. So don't be like, Okay,
so i'm gonna call you a black rapper, I'm gonna
beat your ass, not gonna hold you. If you walk
around calling people black rappers, I'm gonna beat your ass.
Nobody's doing that, That's what I'm saying. But because you
(50:07):
have to, you have to account for the mindset. Somebody's
going to hear that and be like, well, if I'm
a white rapper, then I should not call you a
black rapper. No, no, no black rappers. If the minority
that gets the title, punch them. It's only a minority
that gets the title. Listen talking about this much white
people and wrap, it's starting to make me sick. So
(50:28):
can we like just in this all right? Cool? So
thank you guys for tuning in today. Of course, each
and every Monday, me and Mouse to be here on
the What Hip Hop Questions Legends list on your heart
radio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Shout out
to eight King and our main man, d Block. He
went through it today. You got a new name, though,
what is it? What was the name name? We called
(50:50):
him a new name? Who do you give him? We
did money White produces, D Block, No White producers, love
more White produces, Make white produces great again. I don't
remember the name. That's actually a good thing. Then let's
never but I liked it. Probably wasn't good one. You're
(51:12):
so mean. Listen one thing about D Block, he's you
told about somebody who's really forced the blocks and he's
had in a hot seat over one of Darren Camp
and it was boy, and it's willing to deal with
your crazy as it's us to know you're crazy, you know,
just amazing. Like there if there was a cam on
(51:36):
Darren right, or maybe Wenna got a goal pro for you.
I'm gonna tell the audio I'm gonna tell I'm gonna
tell you, I'm gonna tell you to make this clip
of like the like it should be a clip of
us talking me and Search going back and forth, and
like I'm just a meter of how red Darren was
every time he was getting nervous. I was about to
say something like Darren was like kept doing this when I'
actually Darren rubbed that bed am out. He's nervous mouth
(51:59):
is a handful lord of mirth. Well, that's why we
got two leads, right. We'll see you guys on Monday.
Later m
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