The Supreme Team

Our own supreme team Nyla and Mouse break down the recent documentary about the Queens drug syndicate. Also they discuss their Mount Rushmore of documentaries.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, guys, and welcome to the What Hip Hop
Questions Legends and listen, I'm not and I'm the man
to put the jucks and juxta position Mouse Jones and uh,
you know, I have to stay it along with you.
It's like that should be a part of that is
the part that Yeah, it's like Will Smith. Huh So.

(00:22):
In Will Smith's book, he said that in the first
season of The Fresh Prince he didn't really know how
to act. I thought that was really dope act. Yeah.
So now when I watched it back, I'll be trying
see every like do you have you noticed it in
the first season? Only in the first teas? I see it. Wow,
Now I gotta watch it back and see it. I
love that. Yes, and I'm with the man who puts

(00:42):
the juxon juxon Jones. That's like, where did you even
come up with that? There's nothing to do with our topic.
I really put well, at one point in time, I
used to put the jukes in juxta position. All right,
So today about Beyonce being the most important artists of
all time, and there's a lot of people and listen

(01:06):
to comments. What was the craziest comment you got people
think you What's funny is a lot of people think
you're drinking, are on drugs or something. That's fine. A
lot of people in mark comments agreed with mouse. Now
I was like, I had to start comment in with tomatoes.
Had to give the virtual tomatoes. When I get my opion,
it's not up for debate, so I mean, not with

(01:28):
me at least. So if y'all like they had a
good time debating in the comments, but I've seen the
island there of it and out I said it already
virtual tomatoes to all of those who fucking commented integrids.
But they was like, I know that's right. Finally someone
said it. I was like, wait, I just don't understand
the argument. If you tell me she's not, I don't

(01:50):
understand the argument. You mean to tell me that because
somebody's dead, or because somebody was the first to do something,
nobody could be back. We didn't say that those people
were greater because they were the first. That's all I've heard.
That's literally he did this, Michael Jackson did this, and alright,
like that happened. But beyond doing that, I don't really

(02:10):
even like having debate because I feel like me not
a grand equals hater, you know, and the Internet, it
depends on how you disagree or B you're if you're
if you're not, you're B and B as hater. I
don't want to be hater. So it's like it depends
on how you disagree, Like if you disagree with facts,
I could hear it, we could, we could go back forth.
You're just debating or feeling and nostalgia Michael Jackson. You know,

(02:31):
I'm telling on everybody now, you know, call me Glasses
Malone called me to argue. Glasses only calls me to argue.
And he was like, really, you know, Glasses at that
fucking you don't expect that voice coming out of glass
of Malone. He's like, really, Mouse, the greatest of all time,
Michael Jackson did this, And I don't give a damn.

(02:51):
The vow, the the val call and then the vou
called me and then he said, ah, what the vast
that he wants to tell me about what Michael Jackson
did in three and four? Like what the fund did
that have to do with anything? Why does that have
to do with anything? But in this day and age,

(03:12):
when everybody listens to the album Moves the funk on
Nikkis have been listening to Beyonce for fucking three weeks
straight NonStop. Look, Beyonce is the bar. Beyonce is in
the same league as these people. I'm not saying Beyonce's
higher than lower. That's all I gotta say. Moving forward, Man, Mouse,

(03:35):
have been seeing you with your interview series. Hey, good stuff.
I love it. And also it's like, you know, I
feel like people notoriously know you for going in on people,
being like the New York Bully that you are at heart.
But what I'm saying here, no, what I'm seeing here. Honestly,
it's like a mature shift from Mouse at the conversations

(03:58):
are like, it's not so I always say this right,
and I hate and I hate to challenge when people
say that because then it sounds like I'm like not
taking a crep. But it's not a shift, right, It's
just people meet you where they meet you, and they
only have an opportunity to interact with you at that point.
So if they seeing you at the parties, that's what
that's what you see. Oh he's And then if you

(04:19):
look at the podcast, um, if you look at Guys
next Door, you're like, Oh, he's talking about this and
maybe he's you know, maybe he can have this conversation
with these kind of guys that it's that third but
with this, you know, like I said, it's just a
with mouth general, just me having a conversations with people
that I'm genuinely interested in and looking for. Like I said,
the new conversation, like I think me, you. There's not

(04:40):
many of us, but I think me, you hold on.
I think people like me you, um ivy uh me
a bell um job, like I think we're capable of
having a conversation at the o G s are typically

(05:02):
um left and tasked with you know what I'm saying,
Like we can do that, we can do and you
and I can do an interview on this show or
individually right on Paul with the Ngies and shawl Is
and uh big boy, anybody else you know what I mean,
any of these other legendary interviewers that a conversation happens
that you know influenced us. So that's well, you know,

(05:23):
you gotta throw your hat in the ring. We've all
done it many specifically, I've done it many times. It's
looking real good. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Hey
let's talk about true to TV Nila. Oh wait, if
by the way, let's also let them know the reason
why we didn't have a podcast episode last week is
because Mouse is on tour and that's why. And forgetting
to let us know that he's on tour. Block, when

(05:44):
did you know that that I almost said the N word.
I'm trying to do better and not said the N word.
But when did you know that? Weding like, yeah, yeah,
that's not that's not I hate you too. He was laughing.
Mat Hold hold, you're supposed to shy where I would

(06:06):
never know, he laughed, You would think whatever you like.
But no, I didn't know I was on to you
wait tell us on that day. You gotta let us know, like, hey,
we're gonna record. We have we haven't recorded yet. Oh
is that happen? Yes, okay, okay, the day had moved

(06:29):
and then I was like, all right, bet I could
do it a whole Now back to you TV Nila
Midday Nilo, Well, you know whatever, that's angela East time slot.
Now that we know that's what that's what she's going.
What was that day? Like? What was that day? Like?
I know what it was like for me, just being
associated with the station. But what did it feel like

(06:51):
being at work? No, what did that day feel like
when that announcement happened and everybody like was hitting you?
Like for the scoop? Yeah? First of all, I don't
know why I hit me for school. I don't know
nothing that going up there. I'll be showing up every
day like what Okay, how many? Matter of fact, better
question how many people hit you? Family friends? How many
I people hit you? And it was like, oh, you
should ask them to give you that slot. They didn't

(07:14):
even say you should ask. They said, I know that's
about yours. That's getting her own leaving the breakfast club. Yeah,
mid days at Power, so right after breakfast club. So
it's low key. Sounds like it's gonna be like six
hours of breakast club. So be four. I was a
breakfast club. No, because I think she'll bring whatever people's

(07:37):
grape has been with her silence or you know, uh,
I don't know whatever people's grape has been. I think
with her doing middays by herself or maybe who she brings,
I think you'll get a completely different show. I'm excited
to see. I'm excited excited. I like to see change
up and rat it. We've been asking for, we've been

(07:58):
asking for so I loved to see. I do want
to see what happens with that. Are they gonna replace
Angel with another female? You have to I don't know
what they're doing. According to Charlotte, they're going to be
having like a bunch of different people sitting testing. Yeah,
just testing, like live chemistry test. That means nowledge. Getting

(08:18):
that means noledge, getting that run. Just remember us, remember
us a little people man. Remember the guy used to
do a podcast with You don't think you would get
the run? No, I'm a guy, and so there's no
need for me, Charlottagne and Envy to sit on us.
I tell my dad this, I've told every fan that asked.
There's no there's no space that's going to allow me,

(08:38):
Envy and Charlotteagne to exist in the morning. It makes
no sense, you get because we're in a new age
of empowering woman. But I definitely could see that three men, Yeah,
what about female? What black, three male led show you've
ever seen on radio has to be on radio? Yet,
what I'm saying it has to be a woman there.

(09:00):
Do I think I was killing that? How yeah, but
you know, my time, my time in that building will come,
and when it comes, it's gonna be great. But you know,
the only people that know me have hit me and
been like, oh are you wouldn't be the replacement online
they think is Remy ma I heard a lot. Yeah,
they really think it's Remy. I mean, Remy did really
well with Fat Joe on A on a Wendy Like

(09:20):
that was my favorite week of Wendy. Um did you
like her State of the Union? I think that's I
think that's why they were not but that's because she
was well. I mean, no the answers, No, I did not.
I did not like Remy on State of the Union,
but I really enjoyed. I think Remy needs somebody, a
two person. It needs to be one to anything over

(09:42):
that too much, she's gonna get drowned out and then
she's gonna be forced to be in a position to
say something dumb. And I think that was happening on
State of the Union, honestly, because I'm so close to
the situation and like my heart, I'm already at my heart,
like I don't even like addressing what's going on. I
just like going and do them do you we should
be killing mid days? You know I only listened to

(10:03):
the radio when you know on mid days literally is
the only times thank you appreciate no other reason do
I listened to it? Yeah? Man, it's like I don't
even want to know. That's why people hear me. I
don't know. I don't care. I just do my job.
D block, Who do you see getting it? Remy mall
is a good I didn't know about it, but that's
a good option. I though what she I saw her
with Joe. You enjoyed it and they had kindred G two.

(10:24):
I think kindred would be good, but she in Chicago.
In Chicago, that would piss me off. Not gonna, but
she's also like already I heart it would piss oh,
that would piss me. And they have good chemistry and
very vocal. That's fine. That would piss me off. We
don't need anybody from any other especially from Connecticut, which

(10:45):
is in New York. That's state. It's it's it's Connecticut,
It's Connecticut state. I've never ever been no where Somebody
like what you from old tri state state is like
saying the d m V. It's like you no one
said the outside of radio. Y'all say that. The people
from d n V say that in like your every
Day of Innacular dat No state said that. I said

(11:11):
it before. Yeah, if people say try state, you're just trying.
Fucking what are we talking about. Have you ever said
try state, Dave? Come on, No one's ever said that before. No,
I don't want anybody from not from New York taking
that spot. That was amazing. I mean, I get to

(11:32):
Charlottees from South Carolina, but he was, but he was
doing Wendy, he would understood it made sense bringing somebody in.
She's from Cannadic, which isn't New York, but it's a
try state. Look, I'm okay, but that one day I
figured also that throughout is Diamond Cuts. She might be

(11:54):
she's from Philly. No, we don't need anybody not from
New York. There's more than an off talent, you know
who should be there. Scottie fucking being put the young
girl in position. Put the young girl in position. She
has everything that you would need to add to that
show and take it another ten years. But when you
think about what Angela brought, she brought a lot of

(12:15):
like try to get back to the interview, type questions
right like where she would just she was always prepared,
she had real questions to push the conversation where I
think Charlotte likes to like, you know, laugh and you know,
get some more of that. He's a great obviously, he's
a great interview. But I think Angela she likes to
come back to asking questions like that. So I don't know,

(12:36):
I just want to see would it be someone ever
placed Angela like that. I feel like Envy is more
of the keep people on tests person. But also I
just don't really want to talk about this no more.
It's just too close to close. Let's let's not be honest,
but with some some of the seat and others that
try to get a play. So you currently listen to

(12:59):
the what Hip Pop Questions legends and list will be
right back after this break. There's a documentary that has
come out in short time. Then you guys are talking,
Are you talking about Homeming? No? What documentary abo the
Supreme Team Doctor nas directed and he did a really

(13:21):
good job. By the way, listen, I do not I
actively look to not give Nass credit on things. You're
disgusting Looking to the statement you just said, that's ridiculous.
Let's talk about what it is. What's the doc call
that we're talking about. It's called the Supreme Team, very
aptly name. Get right to it. I think that Supreme
Team has always been an amazing name. Growing up in

(13:43):
New York. Supreme Team, You've heard. I've heard that ship
my entire life, especially growing up on Long Island where
everybody like comes from Queens. They talked about the myths, myths,
the legend of lo Um you know, knowing you know,
having family members close to it Um I haven't have,
and friends who had dads who used to hustle for them,
and you know what I mean, Like you've seen that

(14:06):
documentary brought it all together. It was really cool man.
And what I really liked about it, but it was
really cool man. It was really cool just because like
when you listen to Nas, which you should mouth when
you listen to NAS album, he always painted the story
like what's the um? What are you talking about? Getting
the letter one love love that he talks about writing

(14:29):
people in jail and how huh you wrote it to
come right? He's telling the story kind of without really
telling the story. So it's kind of cool because his
album is always painted the picture, but to actually hear
the back story and what inspired his music back in
the day, it's like, damn, It's like a full circle moment.
So for him to direct it, I'm like, damn, this
is impressive. And also I just gotta say, in general,

(14:52):
it's cool to see a lot of people in hip
hop directing with film, even like have you been watching
IRV Gotti thing on BT. That's a good side, but
that stuff is really good. It is um. I think
those of us, those of us who are in the
those of us who are in the business of telling

(15:12):
people's story, I think we appreciate when the story is
told properly, fully, especially when we grew up in it right,
so like being able to piece together and put certain
piece together. Like like if I can imagine a kid
watching The Supreme Team Doctor the first time and when
they heard hod On on, when they heard hold On

(15:36):
watching thro it's the Supreme Team, and they're like, who
is that? What's that? And now you understand, Oh it
was a a as a drug dealers, a drug dealing team. Okay,
but yeah, Like even to see like I always say,
I love to see how influential the Dope Boys was

(15:57):
because we do the community society. There's such a job
of trying it's such a an intentional job of trying
to silence their history or raised them from history. That's unnecessary, right,
because if we have raised the dope boy, especially early on,
you're raised the dope boys, then we act like nothing
was wrong with the community. We act like crack, We
act like somebody just you know, like crack just showed

(16:18):
up and disappeared, right, and then anything else is oh,
these people were destroying the community. We don't talk about
Oh no, there were no jobs. Projects were a project
because it was a project, you know what I mean.
These people were entrepreneurs trying to make some of themselves
master masterminds. These these or any of these niggers print supreme.

(16:39):
Anybody could have been anybody's fortune for a hundred ceo
c oh. But they would have never got the opportunity
because they never had the access to the school to
be more than what society made them to be. Yeah,
they did what they when life gave them womens. They
may lemonade, you know, they may crack, but it's okay,
you know what I'm trying to their heads. And they

(17:00):
did what they had to do to get where they
were going. But what I was gonna say is um.
One of my favorite parts about the documentary is how
they kept emphasizing organized. Yes, because today's hip hop's not organized.
People are literally telling on themselves, getting arrested, getting um
put on trial, rap lyrics, use against them, et cetera.

(17:22):
So it's like the fact that they were organized. I
just want to keep repeating organized like they did, ed
organizers and just don't be out here doing anything. Look
at this ship, right, and I'm one of them. You
look at how much like mafia culture is celebrated. What
did they say, they mafia organized crime? It is fucking synonymous, right.
It is almost like one right the other. There's there's sucking,

(17:46):
the Albanians, the Russians, all of that ship gets painted
under organized crime. When it's black men. There's just some
drug dealers. We gotta hit him with the rico, but
we're gonna pay them drug dealers now that give it
to give it the same respect you give John Gaudy,
given the same respect that you give the fucking uh
the Genevese family, the same respect you give the Albanians

(18:09):
and the Russians and anybody else give it the same
respect if we're gonna do that, but that they never
celebrated there. They're painted as the paint as evil mangas
who was just out here selling crack ravage in the
community when that wasn't the case. That wasn't the case.
Had me believe that? Do you think they planned this
timing of dropping their docks around like the same time
between IRV and OZ or this is just a coincidence.

(18:33):
I think technically they didn't really drop them around the
same time, but within the same two months, one month,
in the next month. Um, I don't think so. I mean,
I could you know what, because it's like, what are
the odds? I don't work in TV, and I know
Ship is so different from what I thought I knew,
right because if if you if you were to ask

(18:53):
me this three years ago, to be like no, of
course not, because you know showtime, that's that's paid. You know,
you gotta go that's on the men and you gotta
go look for that as as opposed to like Earth
Gotty is coming on appointment television, but Ship with social
media and with streaming, everybody's watching and talking about it,
saying so I don't know. I think maybe they found

(19:14):
a spot and it was just like it, we're gonna
su sum up and Plush Power wasn't on at the time.
You know that ship is a vacuum. That's just a vacuum.
That's just back. I haven't watched anything. You haven't watched it.
I haven't watching anything else. Man, Joey's when then it
came outside back? Yeah, even when he got to the fight,

(19:37):
I said, now, that's some bullshit, Joey, just some bullshit,
but let's go with it. I went with it. But
some bullshit, Well that's because two other guys are fighting
the other guy. They want enjoy bad. We got as
what I'm saying. But no, I think Raising Cannan is
super dope. Probably my favorite one has the Power book series,

(19:59):
over the Timmy and even over the one. Accept them all.
I appreciate them all for different things. Like all the
other ones are supposed to be soap operas. I think
people forget that. But Raising Kanan has done very much
in the drama way. But like Sucking Power Goes anything
is all done like soap operas is. They're no different
than As the World Turns as Low as like sucking

(20:20):
the most chaotic, dramatic forty five minutes of your life
and then there's a fix until next time. Yeah, what
was ther Goddy talk about? What it was? So IRV
Gotti right now on BT doing Yeah, and so he's
doing the Murder Inc. Documentary right now. That's what he
was on drink tramps. Well, that's what he was supposed
to be on drink tramps from Yeah. I mean, but

(20:41):
he no, that's not what he was doing. I mean
he got back to it thirty seconds and in the
room and then the rest of it. So I watched
it because as much as it annoys me to hear
drunk people talk, I was like, there's no way he
spoke about a shanty for this long ridiculous right, He didn't.
He spoke about are you kidding me? Minutes? It was

(21:03):
crazy at the gate this was starting and I said,
this Nick is chaotic. But then the rest of it, right,
and then the rest of it was far bag from
me saying it was good, but it was. IRV Gotti
gets my attention. I'll say this, IRV Gotti has accomplished

(21:23):
a lot in the music industry, and like that inspires
me something that I would like to do, you know,
in my own way, and just I don't know, I
ain't seen it. I ain't mad him yet. But what
I will say is though all that is Shaunty ship
kind of blurred me wanting to give him flowers because
it's like that is like really just like disgusting and lame.

(21:47):
And if that was my dad, I would be very upset.
And yes, I said my dad, because yeah, like but
it's like, damn, I can't even call you an honorable
man because you've done so much honorable ship in the music.
But this is just messie. I think we blur the
lines sometimes and forget that men are human too, And
maybe that's just like society and that's a bigger conversation

(22:08):
for like, um, you know, uh misogyny and all that ship.
But men have we we've placed ourselves in a position
where we aren't specifically black men, and where we're an
avoid of emotion. That lot of emotion. I'm not saying emotion. Obviously,
if you have a lot of pent up emotion, it's
gonna come out the wrong way or a bit. This

(22:30):
is corny. Now, I'm not arguing that he did was corny,
but I can also see how that corny activity happened.
If you know you this has been pent up. I
don't think this is pent up. He did a whole
it's included in the docu series that he already shot.
What is included specifically the Ashanti stuff, But what is
that specifically? Damn dating and he found out she was

(22:52):
dating Nelly at the thing and he's heartbroken. That was funny,
prettyunny the way he said. He said. He said, I'm
gonna tell you how God works. I like football, like
I love I love basketball, NBA package watching my man
be Rose love basketball. I'm watching the game. There's a

(23:14):
whole bunch of commotion. No one knows what's going on.
It's how God works. It's how God works. God works.
The reporter comes back. He says, all that commotion was
because Nellie just arrived with R and B superstar Ashanti.

(23:35):
Fucking heartbroken. Yeah, I thought it was weird. Did everybody
do you think that the industry knew that they had
like a everybody knew. Everybody knew it, everybody, everybody fifty
knew it. We're talking about two niggas that were like
to the biggest rap supers. Everybody knew that ship. I'm

(23:55):
telling you, I don't think everybody knew drop a comment.
Let's know, if everybody knew, Yeah, everybody knew. Nobody knew.
Now everybody knew, um, even if the fifty end game both,
which also let me know, there was a little you know,
I'm petty and I love petty ship, so there was

(24:16):
you know, there's always been back and forth between fifty
in the game right about Oh, I give you your
first album, I give you all the hits, so I
wrote for you in games like, no, you didn't know
eything by all means no matter. The corny Ship game
is an amazing rapper. We talked about the art of rapping.
Game is that guy. So I'd always be like, nah,
I can't, I can't wrote this ship, na documentary, wrote
that ship. And then it comes out. So the fifty

(24:41):
cent posts a video of his rap City the Beastment
freestyle during this time, and he's like, he mad at
me because Shanty got a new boyfriend. But then then
Games says that on his album the same line, he
mad at me because Shanty got a new boyfriend. So
I said, oh, yeah, fifty did do that. He did right,

(25:04):
But yeah, it's messy and I love MESSI but um,
like I said it was Corney, I don't think it was.
But in the same hand too, I never knew or
I never did any research into all that went on
with Supreme and RV. Gotti and murder ink. So when
that whole thing came out and was like, that is
a stand up move, right because by all means it

(25:25):
a civilian, he could have very well rad it and
it wouldnt have been rating because he's a civilian. He
could have cooperated with the Feds and took it six months,
but he didn't. And I mean seeing that story told
in that way, they kept that, you know, they man,
you gotta have me. Look, you have my gush meter.

(25:46):
When he was doing the Beyonce Dry about to start
gushing over his damn documentary, like they kept it so
hip hop. That documentary was so fucking hip hop, bro
that they found a way to weave politics, socio economic issues.
I'm all of that ship into three beautifully done like

(26:07):
you know usually in a in a m in a
documentary like sometimes in these instances the ending is rushed.
It felt like everything God is just doing everything got
the proper attention to detail that I deserved, agreed. I
enjoyed it a lot. And you know, like I said, putting,
I think one of my most favorite things is always

(26:27):
putting faces to names and hip hop. You know, everybody
from somewhere, it's talking about somebody. So like to see
how many times Prince and Supreme was mentioned, the Supreme
Team was mentioned through hip hop and for so long
people had no idea. I feel like a lot of
times in New York City. Again, I'm not from here,
but when I did move here, I lived in Queens
and I lived in Queens longest. But I feel like
Queen's is like not the most respected Burrow, but it

(26:51):
seems like Loki it has the most impact Queens in
Brooklyn because look at the Supreme Team. Everybody's wrapping about them,
even people in Brooklyn. Yeah, I mean yeah, definitely Queens
get the Money. That's probably where it came from. That's
what I was thinking. No, Queen's Get the Money came
from Prodigy, But it didn't come because of the Supreme

(27:14):
seas and they was getting money. Maybe somebody said it,
but it being a thing is from Prodigy. That's where
I assumed. Okay, never mind, So when the document there's two,
both Supreme and prints. Yeah, so interviews which was so
fucking I mean not dope that they were locked up,

(27:35):
but it was so dope the way they did it,
like always always always zeroing in on that phone and
those stories being told and man like man that that
that ship was just really well done, just really well done.
Like now, both of these guys made money from selling
heroin crack yea heroin Heroin early on. And you know

(27:57):
Craik came in the eighties a hundred thousand all of
the day, yo. Seeing I think another thing that that
made it real essence those guys that some of their
co defendants, seeing like how they've messed up now and
like how much of an infrastructure they truly built. Some
of those guys was counting on those guys to come home.
You see what I'm saying. Yeah, that one guy who

(28:19):
was like, yeah, we just knew like when we came home,
we're gonna be good and gets locked up. Um, what
was I gonna say? I was honestly surprised to see, Uh,
it's the name Governor Eric, the Eric Adams. I was
shocked to see him in there. His goofy is no.
I was really shocked, like, oh, wow, of course he's

(28:40):
gonna be everywhere everywhere. Not expect him to be karaoke
next week? Hate him? Yeah, I really didn't expect him
to be in that. But that and then the second
thing I wanted to mention was what is it? Sorry? Guy?
Like my notes? Eric was definitely the police out of
the story which he was involved in him. Um, they had,

(29:06):
you know, police police who were dealing with those cases
in the dock. They had the prosecutor. I liked this story,
the fucking prosecutor lift three blocks away? What the funny
three blocks away? You know how he was talking about
like how he wanted to leave, but he couldn't leave

(29:29):
because he wouldn't be supreme if he left? Yo? How
did that make you feel? And do you agree with that? Yeah?
You agree with that. Sucked into this ship, bro, you
go sometimes, but why can't you evolve and still be supreme?
You know what I'm saying, Because you wouldn't be supreme?
And I think a lot of people are attached to that.

(29:50):
I think a lot of black men, specifically, we find
ourselves in time to survival, um, holding onto who we
become during survival, right and I'm no different like a
lot of black men who came from um struggle, whether
it was you know, whether you jumped into it or
or it was you know, you grew up in poverish,
whatever case may be. And then what happens there is

(30:11):
you don't give yourself the space to grow past that,
evolved past that because you have to be you. I
became me, I was supreme, I was mousing, I was
this person doing this. So when you evolve, you're not
gonna be that person no more. I don't think that's fair, though.
I feel like that's an unhealthy ceiling. It's not a ceiling.

(30:31):
That's what I'm saying. You take the ceiling off, you
leave the ceiling by saying, Okay, I'm ana elevating, still
be supreme. It can't. It can't. It doesn't happen that way.
But that's why I'm saying it's a ceiling because he
wasn't able to get out of it, because he wasn't
willing to be anybody other than supreme, which we say
is honorable, but look where it got you. But if

(30:52):
he was willing to be damn I for Guy's government name.
But he was willing to be McGriff. If you're willing
to be Mr Griff, Mr McGriff can be uh a
label head at murder, ain't. Mr McGriff can go on
to invest in homes and investing community, investing business, and
I have to worry about being held to the supreme standard. See.

(31:15):
The problem is we put ourselves in position where we
have to be held up to a standard of a
person who was surviving instead of striving to be a
person who's thriving vival. Nila made some terrible decisions and
I'm still halfway survival Nila. So right, But when you
fully become nihilie simone, I ain't doing none of that.
You fully become nil Simon, but I ain't gonna have

(31:37):
no shame in not doing it, That's what I'm saying.
Like it because you you allow, you give yourself the
space to evolve, so you don't have it, you won't
have to be held to the standards. Gotta figure out
how to stop black men from feeling like that, like
they got to give them more access. We gotta give
them more, you know what I mean. We gotta give
them first and foremost. We gotta give them more access

(31:58):
and give them a fighting chance, so they don't have
to be in a position to create a survival person.
You survive under harsh environments, so you become hardened, and
I have to survive this. But if we put little
black boys and little black girls in situation where they
thrived from a young age, whether they don't have to
be outside hustling, they don't got to be outside knocking

(32:19):
people over the head and becoming this person out of survival. Yeah,
I just really didn't like that. I understood it. That
was like, that was exactly I felt the same exact way,
and I was like, damn, that's me, Like I'll be
holding myself to that ship. And it's like I was
even telling me how before it's our recordings, Like I
don't even put myself a certain since scenarios anymore because

(32:39):
if I do, I know I'm gonna have to hold
myself to the standard of the person I was. So
now what I do I remove myself completely? Why do
you feel like it is that you have to do?
That is if I'm back in that scenario, society nice,
it's a snee jerk reactions trauma PTSD, Like, oh, I'm
back this scenario with n let's talk about it in

(33:02):
full right, if I go back to mouse Wool was
robbing people, and I go back to mouth School was
starting with people and playing his hands on people and
ready to fighting all that. If I go back to
that thought process, if I put myself in predicament when
somebody could put me in that place, my trauma response,
it's gonna be like not even thinking thing. Now we're
all in the predicament now, d Blocking, you gotta find

(33:24):
somebody to replace me because I'm locked up and now
my kids see me through. You don't try and to
do me dirty. I get locked up. I'm still doing
the podcast trying do me fa Dave, because they don't
try to do me failure. Now you better fucking protests.
Make sure you get some good reception in that it

(33:46):
ates every fifteen minutes. It will be my god, we
might have happened to get this nigger a segment on
this show. Minutes I have a call from how much
I get paid for this fucking podcast? Let me running
out my building. But yeah, I think that that. I

(34:09):
love that you even brought that part up right. I
love that you brought the emotional part. The emotional That's
why I loved having these conversations with you because you
always are able to pull out like the emotional intelligence
of something right, and like yeah, like that was yeah,
because I even like I've seen it and I felt
something about it, but kept moving to the gangster ship,
you know what I mean? All Right, what's that? All right? Yeah, yeah,

(34:32):
it's your gates to move on, move on, move on.
But yeah, I loved it. I loved it, man. I
loved uh and I love the stories and I love
hearing the story from the survivors, you know what I mean.
Like even Prince's wife in his protege was talking about
his protege em said that, like when Prince came home,
it wasn't about how much packs you sold today. It

(34:54):
wasn't about this. He came downstairs, he checked on me,
asked me what was on my mind, gave me somebody
to talk to. So it wasn't all about this, you
know what I mean. And you realize that these people
ain't the monsters that they try and paint him out
to be. You're watching Raising Canaan, right, you see how
she's about to move over to the forty projects. I
think basically, so do you think that it is based

(35:16):
off the Supreme. I think all of it. I think
I think it's if I'm not mistaken, I think Uniques
Joey's badass and his crew is supposed to be Supreme team.
No way. That's why I'm appreciate. Yeah, No, I wanted
to be the other crew because I like how they
got the organ the what's that New Jack City? Yeah?
The New Jack City set up with the building, everybody

(35:38):
working and stuff like, Well, you know, Fifty lived that
life though, right, like he knew about Supreme. I think
a couple of times. I don't know how much they
hungry Fifty at the time. Going by Bob, he's a
lot younger than that. Maybe it's Prince. There's probably Prince,
because Prince is about eight years younger than Um. Well,

(35:59):
definitely can't wait this fifty cents a document on it
because he does amazing jazz at it. But Fifty was
in beef with them, and that was my other favorite
part was how prem was like Preme was like, yo,
I ain't gonna talk too much about it, like you're
not even Fifty said I was a bad guy. I
had to do what I had to do to him.
He knew that. I was like, Nigga's talk your ship

(36:22):
that you never come home, but she was crazy. Yeah
at that point, yeah, no, I get it. At that point,
what are we doing there? I mean, if it wasn't
for Jim Master J with fifty become a fifty cent,
you know, would he be just another dude from Queen's.
I think he would have figured I'm not gonna I mean, listen,
that guy. He had a talent um. I think, yeah,

(36:43):
it took Jim Master J to funk with him. But
you know, when that Ghetto Koran dropped the ripples in
New York was in a tizzy. Like I remember people
at the ball shop feeling very away about the Ghetto Koran,
like not even knowing who fifty cent really was. I'm
on Long Island and he's from Queens. I'm between Long

(37:04):
Island Brooklyn. I don't really know what's going on in Queens.
So I just remember being in the ball shop and
they like that bit and something like are you talking
about pre prints? Are you're snitching? You? What dry snitch?
And all that ship. So I feel like the decent
was one of the first like trolls, and he was
fearless because he of course, you could be a fail
of troll when you like that ship. There's a lot

(37:28):
of there's a lot of trolls, but they're not fearless.
They'll stop at a certain point. And that's why I
think that PEO would have prevailed. Regardless. You're now listening
to the what if I questions legend and listen, will
be right back after the break. One of the things
you mentioned earlier, like this this group is an organized crime,

(37:49):
but they've could have been. There could have been something else.
They could have been entrepreneurs. They hadn't they couldn't be
they were entrepreneurs. I think we I think, you know,
I think we take a wait from drug dealers as
we take away that they were entrepreneurs. They are entrepreneurs.
You may not agree with their business practice. Their business
practice maybe illegal, but so it's a lot of these

(38:12):
white collar crime. And for those who judge, have you
tried to sell something, go out and just try to
sell anything like fourteen year drug dealing Jay was selling
and he didn't even want to rap. He had to
convention the rap, you know, And now that's what I'm saying.
But if you you can't tell me the drugs that
you're gonna tell me the person like you're gonna tell

(38:33):
me somebody like for instance, Supreme are entrepreneurs because at
the end of the day, we just don't have the
proper allies exactly what was about to Since we've been
talking about a great documentary and also some of fifties
TV work. Another iconic series just had that twentieth anniversary
which has a lot to do with drug dealing. Talk

(38:54):
about it. The Wire, Yes, uh was holding up his
Omar shirt. Yeah, man, rest in piece of Michael Michael
Kay Williams. That's damn. That's so trash. He's not here.
But uh, yeah, the Grace why is Grace Teve show
ever come? You think the Wire taken some you know,

(39:17):
been influenced by what was happening in Queens. I know
that was happening. That why it happened. They took right
from the man that played the man that played the
Come on the Reverend and season one and two, the
boy had got Melvin something. He the Melvin Gregg. I

(39:38):
want to say there, I might be wrong cause you
check that for me, but uh, I forgot his name.
I'm I'm so mad at myself. But yeah, the guy
who they Who, Who Avon and Them is based on
is who helped He consulted with David Simon on The
White Melvin Williams, he plays the pastor and season one

(40:00):
and two, that's who The Wire is based on him.
So that's where it all comes from. Allegedly know what
he said it? That's what they said. No, they all
said he says that. They say David Simon said it. Yeah,
he was a consultant and everything on it. Yeah he was.
He was a convicted drug kingpen inspiration for the character Avon. Yeah,

(40:24):
I'm my Wire. My wide knowledge is you know, not
just because Mac is one of my best friends, but
also because the greatest fucking TV show ever I got friends.
That's from there. From where the babies, I'm just saying,
like the ha, wrong babies. What was the best season?

(40:44):
That's a good question. I can't remember. Okay, So here's
the thing performed bias. Oh god, so you're gonna say
the first three no season season four, Mac is introduced
Michael Lee. Uh. But if I have to be honest,
I really enjoyed the Docks. I know everybody, you know,

(41:06):
everybody hates it. I really enjoyed the Docks, I truly
because I felt like some real, intricate and integral character
building was taking place. The Docks sets up for the schools.
I liked season four for the schools of it all.
The back to the Street season three. I think that's

(41:27):
when um Omar was killed in season three. He might
even season Canad bodies him in the last season's What's
his Name? It just helps character string of a string
of bells killing three three brother brother kills him in
season three. That was great theme. I got to rewatch it.

(41:49):
Season five is horrible, horrible. Yeah, everybody says that I
didn't mind what. I've never heard that before. Season five,
the final season is terrible. No, I ain't saying I agree.
I said people say that I've never heard that before.
Today is the first day I've heard that. I haven't
watched in a while. But I didn't like it going
down season five. The news room situation, that was amazing.

(42:16):
It was overplayed. My wife worked in a news room
for years and it wasn't like like the stereotypical ship
that was going to happen. Listen, I'm telling you right now,
Marlow taking the fun Marlow was cool. When when when
your man. When Slim told him, he said, he the
thing about back in the days, it's back in the days.

(42:42):
Season five is when Marlow told him had a lot
of great quotes. Season we stay on that word, we stay,
we stay on that Okay what season five? No, when
season five when Marlow told the security guard you had
Loti pops, I see what it is, is gonna go
that way. It's really gonna go the other way. I

(43:05):
said that nigga is gonna die, that nigga is gonna
end up in one of the roal houses. Yeah. What's
crazy is like you can still go to Baltimore to
this day and see like the effects of definitely definitely
like it has not changed. Nobody even tried to change it. Yea,
my name is my name? Actually really said I would

(43:28):
keep talking about sad stuff. Man. I want better for us.
So you gotta when you get on the breakfast club,
you gotta go back to the community. But I get
some money in my pocket. Yeah you're gonna do it.
Yeah you got him. I got to you gotta do it. Yeah,
I'm gonna start here if I'm gonna go there to
look at you, thank you. I got multiple homes you're

(43:49):
gonna do it in the Trust State area state. Yes. So,
as we do every week on the show, we ask
a question we try to answer. It talks about the
supreme team doc best documentary of all time? Of all time?
What is one of the best this year? Mount Rushmore

(44:12):
documentary Homecoming bout Beyonce. That's on Mount Rushmore. All right,
so thank you guys. Black album, Black album. I mean,
if you have the Black by jay Z, gotta be
on there. The last dance, Hello, legendary. Last was great.
Last dance of legendary, Like you know that, you know
that guy's like first documentary Like that was crazy. It's

(44:36):
fucking amazing. Um, what's fourth? The fucking seventh? Pretty fucking good,
Pretty fucking good, pretty good. I'm a documentary. I don't
have a list for you, guys, but it's definitely the

(44:58):
best documentary that I can say. Best documentary. Two. Wait,
did when did Chronicles come out? No? That was last year?
So yeah, best documentary when the Chronicles came out, because
that was in the pandemic, because I was fucking like
that was the only thing I was looking forward to
everything when we were Kings, No one who I don't

(45:21):
think I did watch when we were Kings. When we
were Kings was good. I don't know if it beats
out any of my four. When we were Kings was
good though. You see the Amy wineh was one I
did faith the Black No, what was it? Back to Black?
I think it was just called Amy. Then no, you're right,
it's called Amy. That was good. That was really good.
That was hard to watch though? Why was it hard

(45:43):
to watch her being an addict? Oh but you can
watch the Supreme Team without dropping a fucking tip. You
see what's going on here? Now look alright, deep Black,
I thought you was one of us. However, I see
what's going on here. So now sad you know. It
was also very strong. Central Park five, Yeah, we used

(46:03):
a documentary. So the thirteen is awesome because Central the
Central Park five, not the scripted one. Now there was
there was there was there there was a script she
did descript everyone. Then the documentary came from the thirteenth year, right,
yeah that was Wolff. All right now yeah, now I
feel like now I'm getting said, all right, yeah, this

(46:24):
is documentaries. Documentaries. Yeah, well there are some, but they're
not telling the truth I want. All right, So before
you got here. I want to ask, what is a documentary?
What is one documentary you want to see? Like something
that you want to be? Turned to a documentary? Um,
I gotta start with my bias phone obviously, is Angie's

(46:47):
my voice? You want to see that? Turned to Yeah,
all the people she's interviewed, Wendy. I want to see
her snuff Wendy. I want to see her interviewing Big
Pun and getting high off the cookies and tell her
I don't as I want to see your track Crick
for the first time. Like she just grew up in
the era where hip hop was fresh and born, so

(47:09):
her experience is just, you know, something we never get
to see. So you get to see that on camera,
I think would be fly. Who else would I like
to see? I'd like to see the Breakfast Club doc.
I know, yeah, that's that's definitely gonna be dope. Honestly,
I want to lean in the Black Effect. I do
want to see something on Snoop Dogg too. Honestly, I'm

(47:30):
all right. I like him as if I feel like
he's shown it so much. I don't, but he didn't.
You know what else was great? Definant Ones? This was
good it was so long though it was good, thought
doc that Sasha jenkinsid it was great too, that was good.
The final one was so fucking long, Jimmy Havy, I
don't think I can't as much. I just don't. I

(47:53):
just don't think it was good though it was really good.
It was good, but so fucking long. It took me
like a whole week. Um, Doc, I'm all right, all right,
I like the dribe Doc. It's already out. What something
you want to see? I thought I thought we were
just naming old stuff. The fire wasn't old. Um, I

(48:15):
said the word I want to see. I want to
see Angie Martinez. My voice slick, you want this? Rick Dolick, Doctor,
I think when my docks have already been done. I
don't think I ever need to see another Biggie documentary
you want. I don't think I have been to see
a new nine eleven documentary. Stop like it's like a
new although I did enjoy the last one that came

(48:38):
out on Netflix. That was a new like that was
a new take on something. He gave us something different.
It was good, but I'm really over it, don't I
love Biggie. I never need to see his dot and
y'all and didn't tell us. You just sat music and
never be shocked every time. Man, I'm tired of I'm
like YO, liked Hope and now I don't have hope
anymore making money off of us, um because we're gonna

(49:01):
watch it. I do want to see no, no, no, no,
I think I've seen no more. What about nip I do?
I would love to see a good documentary. He deserves that. Yeah,
let's get a good Nipsey Hustle documentary on it. Let's
do that, and me and Nowledge should be the fucking narrators.

(49:23):
That's how this black be the producer guy you are
and set that up. Okay, let's do that. You want
to do it? I don't know if I want to narry,
but give me like some creative direct thing I would
like to narrate. I want to narrate it. I want
to sit down and do the interview with the peas
in America Tomato Tomato to the talking part. See you

(49:50):
next want to wrap up? Oh? You want to kick
us out there and you're tired of us. I've been
kicked out of better places than this. Go ahead, now
what you got coming up? This week this week. Uh oh,
I got a party you guys. So if you're in
New York City, if you wanted out New York City listeners,
make sure you guys or the Try State. I don't mind.

(50:14):
I got people coming up from Maryland. So yo, if
you guys are in the area, pull up for my
birthday party. Yes, my birthday past, don't ask about it,
but it's still my birthday party going down. Um. It's
going to be at St. Downtown on Thursday, August and
it's gonna be a motherfucking movie and you know it's
being ay weeks, was gonna be a lot of people
in town. It's just gonna be a really good vibe.
I suggest you get there early thought. And I also

(50:38):
just want you guys to know that if you did
an rs VP, I'm turning my phone off at six
pm that day, so don't hit me like, hey, how
about there? And they said, well, ship, I don't know
to tell you five pm, So that five pm turning
my phone off. He didn't, I mean I think I did. No,

(51:01):
I did it. I'm not, but I thought I did,
so you know you did it? Just said I'm not.
But yeah, So party coming again. We're taking a break
on hell of a week. It wasn't coming if it
was one day to get your invitation. Thursday is rough
for me. I haven't checked my mailbox, so I don't know.

(51:22):
I haven't got the box. Come on, it's my Instagram.
Just put on snail mail this weekend. I'm I'm a
text individual people and make sure people let you know
I got mine. I don't want you to know if
you didn't get yours, I got mine. I'm friends, we're
friends in real life. What about you? Are you even
going to be in town? That's what I am, because

(51:42):
you know what. The next day is track karaoke on Core.
We're back in New York City. We're back in New
York City. Was sold out, Back in New York City,
sold out. Then we in d C the next day.
Oh my god, I might have to go with you.
You're gonna get on the ones and the tools gonna
be there, right, I think? So? Yeah, Yeah, that's money,

(52:05):
all money. He got that. But yes, d C Friday,
Um Thursday, now, listen, one's birthday party. The only thing
I care about. Don't ask me go. I'm not going
to nowhere. Um, I'm not gonna know where. But now
that's that's it unless we gotta come record. But I'm
not coming out to the house on Thursday. We can't
record on Thursday, alright, so go ahead. Yeah, so Thursday boom,

(52:27):
what's what's what's? What's? What's there? They're like a theme.
You're gonna got to fly easy done. Yeah, I thought
you told you gonna say something I couldn't do. It
was pink, but I dedit it because I just ordered
the pink sweater. What I might wear were for you,
you know, with me wear pink? Okay, where for you?

(52:48):
I swear to god, I just I just ordered the
pink sweater. I hope it's not too hot. I hope
it's not. It's fashion by boy the vibes, and it's
at night. It's fashion my boy. So Thursday, my party, Friday,
trap karaoke me and now I looked shutting down New
York City again. Ship. That was like something to get

(53:08):
used to. You heard, but um and if you guys
have been to trap karaoke, yeah, definitely go definitely drink
tea before you go watch this. Watch deep blocking coming
trap karaoke. Yeah, it's a Friday, you're gonna lie to me,
you like hip hop? You ain't coming? I want to
see Dave. Are you coming? You've been lying for months?

(53:31):
Are you coming being David coming? Listen. I'm telling you
right now. If I don't see y'all the next time
we record this podcast, just hit. Don't don't talk to me,
just tell you. Just say you want to go, and
that's it. I'm not talking you, nick, don't come nothing.
I dude, when you when you announced your thing that
you do. I'm coming to the screening, the party or

(53:52):
that Dave. I caame me a hot honey party I support.
So if you two motherfucker's ain't there, don't you talk
to me. I'll be there. But as always, if you
got mad at something I set, I could fight. Uh
see y'all next Monday. Throws some tomatoes like, Share, subscribe, comment,

(54:14):
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