September 5, 2022 • 52 mins
The esteemed comedian stopped by The What?! to chop it up about her journey in comedy, speaks on a few headlines, who's some of the worst rappers of all time, her Top 5+ comedians of all time and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, guys, I'm not someone. I am the man
who pushes Juxson juxta position Mouse Joanes were what hip
Hop Questions? Legends and list? And this week before we
get into our topic, we're actually gonna run down some
current events have been going on. Uh was crazy Mouse?
The world is very crazy. But joining us today is
someone who I know people refer to comedians as like
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just comedians, but this a legend of game we have
to put. We have to acknowledge that first and foremost
in a legend game pushing that this comedy, but you
know women in comedy forward. Um. Also, I think bigger
than the comedian. I think she's like a cultural observer,
right Like I think people come to this this woman
not just to laugh, but to see her outlook on
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the world. Right. Um. Someone I've been watching since Deaf
Comedy Jam. Uh can we welcome to the what hip
Hop Question legend list? The legend Lou Now? Hi, everybody?
Can I make one correction? Though? Yes, Ma, I've never
done deaf jam in my life. Oh I'm sorry, comic view.
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It was comic View. Let me ask you about that.
Let's jump right there. Do do you think there was
a reason why you never got to do deaf comedy jam. Yes,
what is that? Well, I don't think that Bob Sumner,
who was booking for a comic jam, I don't think
we hit it off in the beginning days, and he
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did have the power to get you on the show
or not get you on the show. Plus I was
way way way West coast, like further than l A.
I lived in Oakland at the time, which I don't
think it really had a bearing on anything if they
wanted you. But I think that Sumner just wasn't feeling
me back in the day. We've rectified that relationship now,
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but yeah, back in the day, were just didn't We
didn't click. I was just talking to Sway and he
was saying how Oakland is like full of underdogs where
they feel like they're underdogs. Why do you think that
is Well, just like any place like Compton or Watts
or something like that, any underserved community. Um, the things
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you hear about Open are bad, They're not positive. Even
though musically and talent wise, Open was one of the
richest places to get talent from. If you want to
go back, Tower of Powers by the Family Stone and Vogue,
the Edwinson, Singers, Too Short, Hammer, Mark Curry, Laura Hayes, myself.
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You know, it goes on and on, but they don't
highlight that. They highlight the violence and the drugs and
the you know, things like that which actually happened and
all over the place. So open always have sort of
a bad um, a bad reputation and bad connotation, and
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uh it takes maybe a little longer for us to
get put on because we literally have to leave Oakland
to do it, you know. Now do do do you
see any parallels between you know, your come up and
the grind to come up of other women comedians of
your time or even of today, and uh like, do
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you see the parallel between that in like women in
hip hop over the years? Well? Sure, M first, I
do see parallel with women in hip hop and the
grind from before. In the grind now, I do see
a parallel. Um, I don't necessarily see a parallel between
anybody who's been grinding for thirty years and somebody who's
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been grinding for two years. On social media because we
you know, of course having the social media, uh we
our social media was where the mouth, you know, go
see her, she's funny that was it, And um, you know,
I used to be really salty about that, because these
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artists tend to come up quicker and much more profitable
than the work that we have put in. But also
it hurts me to think that their come up is
only financial and that they don't care about the art,
because there's many people who are on social media who
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are doing comedy right now who don't know who Paul
Money was and don't care, who don't know who Robert
Townsend is and don't care, who don't know who David
Allen Greer is and don't care, And that type of
stuff hurts me. But then again, I don't know who
a lot of them are and don't care. Do you
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feel like or how do you expect you know, this
younger generation to learn about the grades and stuff like that.
I understand if they're crap, but if the things that
are being like easily accessible to them are like the
Shiggis and the you know, I don't know whoever, DESI
Banks whatever, like the i G comedians are like that
is their form of comedy. So like, I guess what
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I'm asking is, how do you expect them to learn
about the greats like Richard Pryor and Paul Well. You
have to want to. If you don't want to learn,
then you won't learn. You won't delve, you won't go
in your parents album crates and pull it out and listen.
If you don't want to know, you ain't gone though.
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And I don't expect them to, uh no, unless they
want to. If you want to know, then you shadow people.
You hunt them down, you see if they have time
to talk to you or you know. I went out
for when I when I first moved to l A
for the third time, I went out for almost a
year to comedy clubs and never went on stage. I
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just studied people. What works in this room? Why didn't
this work? Um? What kind of room is this over here?
What kind of community is that over there? I don't
just do comedy for black people. I go to Latin night,
I go to Persian comedy night, I go to gay
comedy night, and I want to see what everybody's doing.
But if you don't have that first, then you're not
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gonna do any of that. So it's up to the people.
You learn what you want to learn. Yeah, And I
guess that applies to music as well, because it's like
you said about the art being lost. I have a
hard time just caring. I think that, Yeah, I think
the biggest thing I think about what she said? What
you have a hard time caring about what? Oh, I
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have a hard time caring about like the music that's
being produced that's not like good music. Okay, well that's fair.
I like to show love and pick up and focus
on artists who, like, you know, learn instruments and like
are actually trying or actually have done their research. But
then I'd be feeling like if I do that, I'll
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get left behind, so I'll be trying to keep up
and just show love. Well, you gotta not worry about
being left behind. You know I've been left behind still,
you know I still do what I do because I
love what I do. I've never had a show. I've
never been part of an ensemble on the show, never
done a special, never done none of that. I'm about
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to do a Netflix special and my goal. Yes Chappelle
is producing Netflix special for me, and I want my
to be special. I don't want it just to be
yet another person coming out standing. I staying again, I
really want my special be special. So we're working on
some things right now. My goal, of course, is to
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be the next black female in late night television. I'm
a late night and all you see as white man
after white man after white man after white man after
white man. There's no females to speak of, there's no latinas,
there's no you know, nothing but white man. They got
to names Jimmy do that. So you know there's room
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for me in that space. That's what I'm That's what
I'm aiming at. But you know, you can't be worried
about being left behind, Like where you trying to go? Yeah, well, ship,
we're looking forward to know that's a question. Where are
you trying to go? Are trying to be are you
trying to be an artist? Are you trying to be
a celebrity? You know what is it? Um? I see
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myself as just like an observer of the culture and
just document it like journalists but video style. Well then
what are you worried about being left behind? From what
do you mean? There's a good question also, I guess
and because I'm a DJ as well, so like I
gotta know what's hot. It's kind of like you said,
you gotta know how to work rooms like I have
to know how to work a sweet sixteen. I gotta
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know how to work a prom. I gotta know how
to work you know, my parents birthday party. So it's
like I might not so catering to the younger people
who are gonna grow to be the biggest consumers. I
gotta know what they like. So even though it might
not be music I like, I still gotta tap into it.
But I think for me personally, when it comes to
just interviews, I want to interview people of substance that
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I fu wi mentally. Okay, that I had to had
to think about it, good answer, Yeah, But okay, So
let's get into some of the current events. I've seen
you post on your Instagram yesterday about a girl left
alone in daycare for seven hours while her entire class
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went on a field trip in a daycare. She's seven
years old. She was left alone at the daycare by herself,
no water, no food, no phone to call her parents
and tell them that everybody has left her on a
field trip and left me here by myself. She couldn't
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do that for seven hours. So the teacher and the
other kids, we're gone, and they left her alone. That
girl could have been raped that girl could have been
murdered by anybody. And how do you do that? How
do you pull out on the bus without all the children? Yeah?
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That and so now what what? It's just negligence, Like
the level of negligence. I don't even understand how something
like that it happens with people who are your job.
You're literally paid to take care of kids. That's your job.
So I don't even understand. I don't even understand where
you begin to to even make us create a space
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where where that happens. Well, first of all, nobody cared,
you know, protect black women, protect black girls more than
a hashtag. No, but that's what happens to us. If
a little blond, white girl gets objective and raped, it's
the whole as Amber alert. But if a little black
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girl gets subducted and Raye feel like, well, what was
she doing out there? Yes? Man? Yes? Man? And um,
when the last time I checked, when you get ready
to go on the field trip, A there's a parental
permission slip. I'm assuming their parents signed that slip. I
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don't know for sure. I haven't gotten that much into
that case. And there is a case, but from everything
I knew about teachers and school. You do a role
call when the children get on the bus. You might
do another role call before the book full up. You
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do a role call when the kids are getting off
the bus. You do a role call in lunchtime. You
do a roll call when they get back on the bus,
and you do a roll call when you get him
back to the school. That's the way I've always seen
people get down. Now, you mean to tell me, this
girl goes to school with these other students, and nobody
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said the world where has charted? M hm? How do
you leave a child alone in the school for seven hours? Yeah?
And the father told me that he was about to
give up the fight because he thought nobody. Nobody cared,
The school didn't care, the teacher didn't care. Nothing happened
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the next day or the day after that, other day
after that. I'm not saying until I came along, but
I'm certainly trying to shed some light on this situation.
And there are many millions of situations going on with
our kids and our women and our men right now
that deserved equally as much outrage. But this is the
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one that caught my attention because it was in Philadelphia.
I was in Philadelphia last week to do shows, and
I just decided to try to take some action. And
when they say the phrase when you if you see something,
say something, you do that. That's not snitching. That's like
my protective child. And you might protect your brother, your father,
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or your husband. You know, I don't give a damn
about that snitching clause. That's old school gangster bullshit from
back in the seventies. If you see something and say something,
you might say somebody. I certainly would want somebody to
say something and they saw something happening to me or mine. Absolutely,
Um do you think do you think that not just
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celebrities or not just comedians, but celebrities overall, Like do
you think y'all your platform is bigger than just the
performative aspect of the aspect of just being on stage.
Do you think it's um equally is important to do
the things you're doing right now where you see something,
say something they do you think or do you think
all celebrities have that uh duty or responsibility to to
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shed light on these on these problems or do you
just do it because you want to? Well, I just
do it because I want to. I think it doesn't
have any bearing on whether you a celebrity or not.
If you have a platform with seventeen people or you
have a platform with seventeen thousand people. If you see
some jestice, we have to call it out. If those
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people had that videotaped George Floyd, he would just be
another dead nick and then been under the brothers shot,
choked out, and beat down. Since George Floyd. I didn't
stop anything. That just shed the light on but we
already knew what was happening. There's been brothers murdered since
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George Floyd by the bowl. So this hasn't stop anything,
but it certainly shed some light on what was going
on because of course nobody believes the word of us.
You have a whole pastor who was watering the flowers
of his neighbor, yes, and got arrested. Police couched him
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until the white woman came along and said no, no, no,
he really is their neighbor, their friends. And they still
took him in and charged them. They still took him
in and charged him with I think it was like
and so with a man of God when they don't
even care what a man, when they will throw a
man of God to the ground, just like they will
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a dope dealer or anybody else. We don't. We don't
stand the chance. But if but if you see something,
you should say something. But that just goes to show
the hierarchy in the society of the word of a
white woman and against the word of anybody black around.
There's a many, many, many, many people locked up right
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now because the white girl said, he will you raped me?
Meet me? That's being said. I oftentimes feel like, especially
due to like social media activism, I feel like, well,
what's the point of saying something, because I just feel
like all we're doing is saying something, and I don't
think we're really being hurt. Well, you have to not
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just say something, you have to do something, you know,
Like I could have just posted about the story and
rand it and went on about my business. But I'm
actively involved in this situation right now, just by keeping
it out there and talking to the parents, and I
met with the child, and I'm helping with the lawyer
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and the stuff like this. You know, if you do
what you can, even when it comes to your leftover,
if you don't eat your steak, you're gonna throw it away.
Let me throw the way don't you notice somebody right
outside the door who is starving? Like you know, Tupot
came from Oakland at one point in his rear, and
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he did a big speech about how do you expect
us to act when there's a room full of food
and everybody's children over here, but right over here, everybody's starving.
You know, you you we have to have some comp
acid were so jaded because of everything we see every day.
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There's so many murders, so many beat down, so many rates,
and so many molestations that were just over Well, we
can't do something about everything, but you could take something
and do something about something. We have seen the world
change a lot. You ain't seen ship, oh do you?
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You ain't seen a month. But you wasn't around for
these riots. You ain't never been discriminated against for somebody
say you can't eat here, can't drink here. I have
I'm old enough to as a child. You know, your
life right now. Just the fact that you can do
what you're doing is very privileged. I remember the time
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they wouldn't let her a check on TV with an afro.
They wouldn't let to achieve every week. Yeah, you know,
slight attendants couldn't fly with their hair, like how we
wear our hair. You could be a teacher. You can
do next. And that's just our hair, let alone our
skin and our beautiful dominant black personalities. Come on, pretty,
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You better said that to feed your grandmother. If you
sell her, have one and let her tell you some stories,
get all social media and talk to your elders the story.
You ain't gonna never get it. Yeah, I talked to
her all the time. But that's why I was saying,
the world has changed so much just from the small
time we've been here. From yeah, from the short period
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I've been here, but also just from observation and his
three yea, like I know my grandma's is seeing she's
having like flashbacks like them, this is happening again, Like
you know what I'm saying, even down to like yeah, yeah,
that's what I was gonna go into, Like yeah, like
seeing that right, like seeing seeing like how everyone is.
So you know, I never lived in a time where
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she was getting taken away like this right, Well lucky
I'm in it now. These women used to be in
the back alleys with hangers trying to do self abortions,
and if they out locked these abortions which they have,
They're gonna gonna do that again. What are you gonna
do when your when your your uncle rapes you and
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now you're pregnant and you gotta sit across from him
and then Thanksgiving table every year? Does nobody believe you?
Maybe it's close the world out there. That's why I'm
glad that I do comedy. You can't tell from this
my roads conversation for having right now, But that's why
I do comedy because I just want to be able
to be the place that people can come at least
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for an hour, and I have and forget about all
that for a minute. It's gonna be waiting for you
right outside. But for a little while you can come
in here with me and I'll make you throw your
head back. People need those endorphins in their body. You know,
what's your what's your outlet? Though? If you're that for
everyone else, what is your outlet? Or do you use
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comedies as that outlet as that release as well? That's
a very good question. Who makes the clown laugh? Right? Um?
My outlet is um television. I like to escape into
movies and like my like to spend time with Mike,
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my daughter. She's a very prominent and beautiful dancer, and
I'm very proud of her. And then every now and then,
if I can you know have sets? Hey? That that
always uses my mind, you know, I love that? But
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do you use any of do you use any of this? Uh?
Oh no? I think that this is a better question.
So I know your daughter is mad Fly. I worked
with her when I was working with Coil. Oh yeah,
do you dance no dj oh yo? Okay yeah yeah, yeah.
She She just did her first Europe MM dates with Core,
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you know when they went to Amsterdam and Ireland and
punch and golf in Canada and stuff. Do you currently
listen to the what Hip Hop Questions? Legends and list
will be right back after this break. Do do people
have a hard time taking um or accepting like political
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um or social critique from from black women comedians more
than any other comedian because I don't really see those
comedians pushed to the forefront like you see, you know,
like the d L. Hugh Leaves in the Bill in
the Bill Birds and like the people who are you know,
I never really get to see the black women um
comedians who who pushed that narrative who pushed that line? Um?
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They typically just wanna you know so so like while
in the club, while on the front lines of this,
are you guys are are you feeling that pressure or
feeling that pushback? Uh, the same way I'm seeing it.
Or maybe I'm just not looking in the right places. Well,
like like who for instance? Um, like like where is
the like to me? I think you? Um, I think
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you maybe Monique, um, but really you are the only
one I'm seeing who who's having like certain social commentary
on stage? Um, where it's not just set up punch,
set up punch. Um, we're like you know where if
you look at the mail the male outside of comedy,
you have uh, you have the Chris Rocks, you have
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the Chappelle's, you have the Bill Burds, the Malls. You
have these guys that will, you know, sit down and
break down a political thing and everybody will be like,
this is the greatest thing ever. You know, this was
bigger than comedy. But I don't really see those conversations
being had about women comedians. Well, you have to be
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the type of female comic that people want to hear from,
and then a lot of people don't want to risk
their career maybe by saying something that might upset people.
First of all, I'm already established. There you go. I'm
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not going anywhere. There you go. Council culture has tried
to come for me. That didn't work either. Oh um,
I don't have anything to lose. I don't think that
my commentary on what's right and wrong it's gonna get
me in any kind of trouble that I'll say that
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I haven't already been in, you know what I mean,
And I don't know what kind of trouble that would be.
I can't be fired because I worked for myself. The
more controversy you are, the more people are gonna want
to come and see you. So the clubs certainly don't
mind what you're talking about. If they did, they wouldn't
book have the people that are that that that are
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being seen right now. I think you need to be
right and before the people when you're talking, you know,
and not be your own agenda like um. You know,
when I did the thing about the little girl Jordan's
I didn't do it to say, hey look at me,
I'm great. Look what I did. I did it to
bring awareness to the case and to maybe inspire other
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people to male say, you know what, I'm gonna do something.
You know I'm and you don't really have to look
far to find something to do. Something in your neighborhood
needs to be done probably, you know. And I just
think that I've lived long enough to earn the rage
that I have. You know, when I do do comedy,
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I do talk about the educational system. I do talk
about um uh, you know, weight is m in the
industry and in the world, and uh, these are things
that are you know, pre paramount to the existence of
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people in real life. So I don't know. I just
I got a big mouth. I got a lot of
hard I'm very passionate about stuff, and I talked about it,
you know, and shut me up on the eighth of
eight kids. So maybe that has something to do with
it that I take my platform and be heard when
I maybe wasn't heard. You know. Now I wanna you know,
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this is the what hip hop question legend list, So
I do want to get into some hip hop ship
with you. Um, I want to know what was something
because like you said, like you said a few minutes ago,
you know, you you've been here a while, You've seen
the world change from where you were in the world
when hip hop at hip hop inception, what was your
relationship with hip hop? Like, what was in what was
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the early influences you had, if any um and maybe
what what was probably you know, inspiring you to while
getting on stage? What were you maybe playing on the
headphones before show? Well? Um, first of all, I remember
when hip hop started. I remember when be Boys and
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stuff was out there, breaking on cardboard boxes and spending.
That was a very East Coast thing, wasn't on the
West coast ship. I think the West Coast scene came
about because of all the brutality from the police and
everything like that. And that's when you know I scused
them and in Wa came about. But before that, I
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was you know African Colombada caress one uh public enemy. Um,
you know, knowledgeable people for a righteous teachers, Udini, um
Eric being rock Cam of course the woo. That's I
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like old school hip hop. I like that and that
hip hop was out before the word blame because Little
Wayne Star did that blame. They were talking about knowledge
and enlightenment and self destruction. They weren't talking about bitches
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and licking it and stinking it and pose and mighty
on my wrist and all that ship him used to
be for the people. I think now it's just very yourself, sir.
M h damn, instead of talking about us m hmm
and what I like to Before a show, usually there's
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some gangster ship hey ump pump by smooth? Um, well,
well what's that juxtaposess? And like right, because you said,
you know you you were speaking about you know, the
righteous music, but right before you go on stage usually
into that gangster ship with it was the bitches and
the holes and the shoot him what what? What? What's?
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Because I don't think anybody ever talks to women, specifically
black women, about your the way you guys are able
to ingest hip hop and still be critical of it. Um,
which is you know right. One of my favor are
things about the coaches watching women be able to be
like yeah, well I like this, but if you say
this over, I'm not working with this. So so what
what was that juxtaposition? Like? Or were you just you?
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Were you not even thinking that much? Intol He was like, listen,
I gotta get height for the show and this is
what's gonna do it? Basically like, um so my name
is lu now, but my nickname is el Murder because
oh I'm saying I'm going out there to kill some ship.
I'm not going out there too give you chuckles and
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oh she was so amusing. I'm going to try to
wreck shop every time I go on stage. I want
somebody to fall out to chair, I want somebody to
spent their drink out, I want somebody to cry tears
why they lashes off and you you have to go
out there with with the mindset of a killer. And
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that's what I I mean. I don't just listen to that.
Sometimes I might be listening to Roy here, but not
usually it could be mellow. I want to be yeah yeah, so, um,
that's why I listened to stuff like that. I'm really
down with Mount Westmore right now, which is a super
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group you know, Too Short and E forty and Ice
Cube and Snoop. So I listened to you know, Big
Supper for some time, and um, you know I might
go I might go from that to Tina Marie or
to Mary Jane. Girl. It's just appearing on how I
feel and how my airbals is kicking in. Um. If
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you had to compare your comedy to uh, you know
a woman rap grade, you know your comedy styling. Who
would it be maybe like Remy. I can see that,
I can see that treat us. I can see that
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treated I like that question. That's a good question. You're
now listening to the what if questions legend and listen.
Will be right back after the break. Um, and I mean,
you know, we want to have phone with you. You know,
we we definitely you know we both love you here. Um,
we definitely want to have phone with you. So we
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have this list. We we found this list. Shout out
to our guy critics of the culture. He curated this
list of the fifty worst rappers of all time, which,
by the way, we don't agree with all the names
on this list because out of the fifty, there's a
lot of great rappers on here. They have Diddy on
this They have Diddy on this list, and I'm really
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pissed off, Like I'm really mad. Number three. That's why
I'm like at that mad at that not matter that
at all has to be written by a New Yorker
because they have all the Southern artists on here. You
don't see nobody from the North phone here. Diddy. Let's
object to whoever made you right. But okay, so Slick
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the Shocker, Silk Silk the Shocker, I don't know who.
I don't know who's sloking. I don't know who's Slick
the Shocker right now. So so uh yeah, so we'll
run some of the names, some of them, you know,
some of the most egregious names. I think easy. Okay,
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they have the yingying Twins on this list. I think
that's a little disrespectful to call them the worst rabbits
of all times? Where are they now? There are I
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get excited when they perform at least three tracks, I think.
But to call them the rappers, I think this you wasted.
You wasted a name, or unless you could have put
somebody who takes this like. I don't think those guys
think they're good rappers. They put a little Yaddi on here.
I'm like, Okay, he's pretty bad. He seems successful, but
he's pretty bad Vanilla ice. I say something and was out, Yes,
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let's go, let's go. The legends here to talk. I'm
gonna name a name. This doesn't mean that I don't
have affection for this person, and this doesn't mean that
they weren't important to the culture. But they weren't important
to me, and I didn't take that they were that
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great to me. Who was it, bis bis marquis expect
I just didn't. I just you know, he of course,
everybody's saying, you got what I need. It was a
horrible record. What about the way? What about the vapors?
(34:09):
What about But we're looking at the sample if the music,
it ain't that the lyrics, Like I never thought that's
a point that's as a rapper is bit more. Megan
the Stallion definitely should be on this list. No, no no, no,
I'm saying, like flow like Megan the Stallion. Also always
says that Megan the Stallion has a she rapped like
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she rapped like Como d. It's just the context is
just different. I love Megan, these niggers, this mark would
definitely be on on that side. Um, who else is
I'm not saying there's one of the words rappers of
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all time, but I'm saying, oh my rap scale book.
I just I mean, you know, I mean I've met
Wiz and and all that kind of stuff, but and
just you know, there's a couple of things. But when
you talk about a catalog or legendary. I'm thinking like
Wu Chang. I'm thinking like you know, you know uh,
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like I said, E P M d if I'm thinking
that and I leaves. People don't come for me about
this because I know, you know, nobody beats the bills.
That's true. But what I mean, I'm downloaded the latter
bought it And think, have you ever wanted to wrap? Like? Whatever?
Time when you want to wrap? Never? What I want
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to do. What it is I'm doing that is so dope.
It was the never. It's the way she said that,
like never, It's never crossed my mind. It's been cute
to listen to. Oh you know. That's the thing. When
you're doing something, do what you think that you can
excel at. Do what you think that you're good at.
Like I think I can excel at comed Yeah, I
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think I'm good at acting. I'm not the greatest access
you know where nobody has seen it yet because I
would have had any I haven't had to carry a movie,
you know. I just pop in, get my joke and
be out. But um, I don't think I would be
a great rapper. I can't remember all the lyrics. You
know what I'm saying you look at like people who've
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been in the game for thirty years already, and they
gotta remember. And then also, if you make a hit,
oh god, be prepared to do that for the rest
of your life. Will never be able to do a
show without saying one to three and two the phone. Never. Yeah.
So if you make it, get you better love it
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because you'll be seeing that the rest of the Is
it like that with jokes? Is it like that with jokes?
Like there like is there one joke you have to
always tell or like if they're one, like you have
to perform more time. No. So, if you had to
name your top five favorite comedians, who are your five?
Oh good? Bernie Mac yes, rest in peace, Robin Harris, yes,
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rest in peace, Haulmoney in peace, Joan Rivers Oh wow wow? Um,
I mean I can't name five. Richard Eddie, Um, Sam Kennison, Um,
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um my boy that used to go to jail all
the time. Um no, no, how dare you? I just
didn't not even have months on a huge arena tour
with chat. She would know his name, she know his
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interview over. No, I'm thinking about my boy he was. Uh.
Lenny Bruce, Lenny Bruce you don't know nothing about him.
Lenny used to go to jail all the time for
the things that he would say because they used to
have censorship in comedy and you couldn't get up and
come on stage and talk about Jews. So cancel culture
(38:20):
isn't new at all and come in then, so the
wire comedians so like wire comedians fighting so hard today
against it if it's not new, because what you just
said lets me know that you know, having to you know,
having to be on stage and be as wild as
you want to be, but still having to you know,
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perform within a certain box. You can't offense certain people.
Why they why is cancel culture or the back you know,
the pushback against cancel culture so prevalent today. If if
it sounds like you guys always had to deal with it.
Nobody wants to be hated upon. Nobody wants to bashed
every time they open their phone. People got families. Nobody
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wants to have your sisters and brothers and children read
bad stuff about you. Nobody wants that. Mm hmm. You
know when people was getting when Lenny Bruce was going
to jail for saying what he wanted to on stage
at the time. The time was different. It was you know,
we weren't as free to talk about things as we
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are now. And I think that the Council of Culture
is only a certain age demographic, and I think that
it um it's a popularity contest. You know, I think
it doesn't happen. I have to you know, I think
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that you should have canceled there before it hit TV.
You know was ratchet. Maybe it shouldn't have been on
TV in the first place. If you have a rap
song that you can't stand, look at all the people
that it took to put this rap song on the radio.
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Somebody had to do the music to it. Somebody had
to take those lyrics, those horrible lyrics, and put them
up on YouTube. So somebody had the okay this I
had okay, that had okay. Whatever wraps on you here,
unless it's independent, probably went through a hundred and fifty
white folks. And they don't care how many times you
say nigga. You know, they're not looking out for our
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best interests in our culture. That's really for us to do.
And when you're taking your kids to school in the morning,
maybe you shouldn't play the city girls. Maybe you should
wait till they get out to car. I'm not saying
don't play the city girl. I like the city girl.
But I'm just saying that if you don't want your
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kids to memorize and say that school, maybe you shouldn't
be played in the car. Parents have to take a
little bit of responsibility to you know, justin raising our kids.
When my parents had company over, I had to get
defunct out the room. It was no set up in
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grown folks face. If you're gonna hear it, you're gonna
be straining and trying to listen from the stairway. But
people will have their kids all up in the middle
of the card gang smoking weed, blowing weed smoking The
kids say what, I'm a hot one? What what you say?
Is that? Shocking news to y'all is something like do
(41:34):
you agree or not? No? I agree, I just think
that I had said that. No, I think there's a
I don't know if we can take all of those
ways and bring them to today, because I do think, well,
you can run your own household, yes, yes, so like
I have two daughters, so I don't you know. So
(41:55):
I I was raised very much that way. My mother
and father was raised very much that way so with
my daughters, because I'm cognizant that I'm I'm raising two
black girls. I don't want them feeling like I don't
want them feeling like they ever have to uh sense
of themselves or have to you know, scurry away. But yeah,
(42:16):
but you're probably love Beyonce. Don't say absolutely, they know
the album, they know that's a new song, you know,
I mean, not not around me. They can't say it
around me, but I don't try. But I also don't
try and telling my kids they could curse, just not
around me. So like my oldest she just started her
(42:38):
sophomore year today, she's fifteen, and in my youngest five
six seven. Oh no, I mean because I do this,
because you know, because I do media, because I do journalism.
I don't want my kids to have the relationship with
words that I had where it was like, oh, this
is a bad word. I love the fact that Bes
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coming out with three different albums. I love that you
got from the brother the kids. I don't mean children.
I love that, but I don't think that. I don't
think that maybe maybe we as much as we love it,
now break my soul. You can play that for the
kids that it should be an anthem and all that.
(43:23):
You know, some of the cuts on there, I think
maybe you should just play when the kids get out
of God, they're gonna hear it anyway, but we don't
have to. But if they're gonna hear anyway, why why
shouldn't we be the ones to introduce what we do
in my house and not Okay, I got you're saying.
I got saying, got you, you know, over your friend's house,
and I'm gonna literally listen to it. You know, what
(43:45):
are you gonna do? But when you have the mind house,
we're gonna listen to a few select cuts and then
I'm not gonna play certain ship that I know you're
going to remember eyes and repeat. You know you won't
get it from me. I can't help what goes on
outside the door. I can't help that. Wish I could
you up that. I wish I could tell a Paris
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when my kid comes out and don't play that that's
not realistic. But when you my house, you won't get it.
You know. I had to do that with my own kids.
Like my own kid was backstage when I was talking
trash about her and everybody else on Safe Most of
(44:27):
the time she had her headphones and I wasn't being
me no never mind, right, you know, I have to
take my own advice about my own stuff. I'm not
just trying to be self righteous. That happened in my
in my own house, my own dog, and I wasn't Beyonce.
It was me. But my daughter also doesn't repeat my material.
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You know, she she's gonna repeat, beyonest, but she didn't
gonna repeat my material. I'm not mad at that. That code.
I think it's respect it's respectable. So well, we definitely
think if chopping it up with us, and I think,
you know, I think if there was ever a question
to ask, I think we asked. If we asked it,
we're gonna answer it. And it's sure. It's why is
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Lune the best comedian of all time? And I think
she showed us why today because she's not gonna play
with us. She's I'm not I'm not a goat, and
I'm not the best of all time, but I think, um,
I might be the best now that I can be,
(45:30):
and I don't. I have a styarist like anybody else's.
And I think I tried to keep it as honest
since I can for myself, and I hope that nobody
takes a fence through any of the ship I said
about Biz before he com saying, but if they do,
I just have to live with that. But I mean
(45:50):
no harm. I mean you actually question. And so that's
why we didn't go already down the list. Hey, why
don't you give me a couple more names off that list? Though?
I got you right, I got you right now. A
few more names after this. We got Little Pump, Little
flip O j, the juice Man, Walker, flock of Supplies,
(46:15):
the littles. You threw all the littles together. Now, all
the littles, there's a lot of little you know they got.
They got your boy on here. They got Risin on
here at number forty seven. Yeah, they got Rison at
number forty seven. She's livid as one of the worst
(46:36):
robbers of time as one of these trash Mr. Nobody
in the wood not to me, mrs now, please tell
the people where they can continue to support you, where
they could come see you, how they can get tickets
and all that good stuff. Well, you can follow me
(46:56):
on Instagram, especially if you want to know about the
little girls. I was talking about this too. Posts on
my Graham right now about that at lunell l U
e n e l l um my website where you
can see my tour dates and you can also purchase tickets,
especially like this weekend while I'm here in New York
(47:17):
and I'm gonna be at Caroline starting Thursday night. One show,
Thursday night, two shows on Friday too, on Saturday, one
on Saturday. And you can get those tickets at hey
lunell dot com. H E Y l U e n
e l l dot com and also I am at
(47:38):
by Now this is gonna sound crazy, but I'm telling
you it's gonna be classy and erotic and plus people
gotta think about my feet. By the end of September,
I am starting only fans, let's go, But I'm not
I'm gonna need you to subscribe. I'm subscribing listen it
open because I got four brothers, I got a kid.
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I can't and I just wouldn't do that no way.
But I'm talking about, you know, for the for all
the foot fans out there, which I've got a lot.
You know, there's got to be a lot of beautiful
pedicured situations and maybe some chocolate on my toes, maybe
in the beam and stuff like that, and then some others.
I have a photo shoot Thursday, Matt with this hot
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model and there's gonna be some erotica on there, you know.
But I ain't gonna be doing nothing that I have
not done when I you know, I was a savage
e spent to lingerie and bestator for two years, you know,
talk legend. So I had to do a lot of
opposing and low lights for those photo sessions. So it's
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gonna be hot. And you know, I mean, I ain't
gonna let everybody get all this money all around me
and I'm not getting nothing. You want to see my
feet and you could go right here. I can't tell
you how many cash outs. So I've got let me
feel pedicure, you know, because I ain't got no corns,
no bunions. I got toe rings and the whole ship.
The biggest payment you got for the front feet pick black,
(49:08):
five hundred dollars. Yeah, I let them pick. I let
him pick the color and the design and then I
went and got it. Wow, I'm not doing it right,
but you taught me that. Thank you. No, if I
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got to look into this, there's a big community out there.
How I like the man who appreciate beautiful feet, because
there are some beautiful women out there, was some busted
ass feet. And my mom always kept me in good shoes.
And she always told, you know, like you know, these
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kids these days they start walking in tennishoot, but when
I was going up, we had to start walking in
these other kind of shoes, little hard, little the little
white shoes, right yeah, the ones you get bronze. And
my mom did that to me. We'll see you probably
got good seek you man. I don't know there's I
(50:15):
do I got. I got mouse is good on hygiene,
I will say, but thank you so much. Huh. When
you come to the show this weekend, I'm gonna actually
take off your shoes. I'm gonna take it off. And
I just got my pedicure. I'm not I'm not scared
of nothing. I'll be like, let me see them talk
(50:37):
and I'm I don't want to see I don't want
to see no ash. No, I don't. Won't you know
you want see no ash? The the ankles, the ankles
are smooth, the cash smoove, the heels are smooth. The
toes is even to happen because I don't. Yes, we
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need we need you man to be taking care of
your feet and shout out to all the little vietnames
as out here taking thank you, thank you, God, bless you. Yes,
thank you, Kelly, thank you Casey, love y'all Casey and Kelly.
They take care of my hands and feet. Thank you,
loved him, and thank you for taking care of that
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my brothers, because don't nobody ought to be in bed
with somebody who to nails, just shredding his sheets. That's
not discussing. Mrs Lounell. Once again, thank you so much
for your time. We appreciate you and we will see
you this Friday. Okay, well, I hope to see you there.
Keep your word being man and the lady of your word.
My show. We got Rolando Watts on the show with me,
(51:42):
a G. White from Brooklyn. He's hosting the show. It's
gonna be fat. I just hope that everybody comes out
that supports me like they have before. I've never had
a bad time commediately and in uh New York. And
you won't st today, but you know that we can
old look, thank you will. I'll look to see everybody
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there and thanks for this very impromptu interview Piva Feeble.
I only found out about the interview about four ye.
They didn't have any scars of people. I'm a copy
and if you say, why is you guys, I don't
bound scar fun this up? Well, because this is the
best I could do. A last Smith. Well, we appreciate you.
(52:27):
We appreciate you making time for us. Thank you, guys,
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(52:49):
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What's up, guys, I'm not someone. I am the man
who pushes Juxson juxta position Mouse Joanes were what hip
Hop Questions? Legends and list? And this week before we
get into our topic, we're actually gonna run down some
current events have been going on. Uh was crazy Mouse?
The world is very crazy. But joining us today is
someone who I know people refer to comedians as like
(00:24):
just comedians, but this a legend of game we have
to put. We have to acknowledge that first and foremost
in a legend game pushing that this comedy, but you
know women in comedy forward. Um. Also, I think bigger
than the comedian. I think she's like a cultural observer,
right Like I think people come to this this woman
not just to laugh, but to see her outlook on
(00:44):
the world. Right. Um. Someone I've been watching since Deaf
Comedy Jam. Uh can we welcome to the what hip
Hop Question legend list? The legend Lou Now? Hi, everybody?
Can I make one correction? Though? Yes, Ma, I've never
done deaf jam in my life. Oh I'm sorry, comic view.
(01:06):
It was comic View. Let me ask you about that.
Let's jump right there. Do do you think there was
a reason why you never got to do deaf comedy jam. Yes,
what is that? Well, I don't think that Bob Sumner,
who was booking for a comic jam, I don't think
we hit it off in the beginning days, and he
(01:28):
did have the power to get you on the show
or not get you on the show. Plus I was
way way way West coast, like further than l A.
I lived in Oakland at the time, which I don't
think it really had a bearing on anything if they
wanted you. But I think that Sumner just wasn't feeling
me back in the day. We've rectified that relationship now,
(01:50):
but yeah, back in the day, were just didn't We
didn't click. I was just talking to Sway and he
was saying how Oakland is like full of underdogs where
they feel like they're underdogs. Why do you think that
is Well, just like any place like Compton or Watts
or something like that, any underserved community. Um, the things
(02:12):
you hear about Open are bad, They're not positive. Even
though musically and talent wise, Open was one of the
richest places to get talent from. If you want to
go back, Tower of Powers by the Family Stone and Vogue,
the Edwinson, Singers, Too Short, Hammer, Mark Curry, Laura Hayes, myself.
(02:33):
You know, it goes on and on, but they don't
highlight that. They highlight the violence and the drugs and
the you know, things like that which actually happened and
all over the place. So open always have sort of
a bad um, a bad reputation and bad connotation, and
(02:54):
uh it takes maybe a little longer for us to
get put on because we literally have to leave Oakland
to do it, you know. Now do do do you
see any parallels between you know, your come up and
the grind to come up of other women comedians of
your time or even of today, and uh like, do
(03:15):
you see the parallel between that in like women in
hip hop over the years? Well? Sure, M first, I
do see parallel with women in hip hop and the
grind from before. In the grind now, I do see
a parallel. Um, I don't necessarily see a parallel between
anybody who's been grinding for thirty years and somebody who's
(03:38):
been grinding for two years. On social media because we
you know, of course having the social media, uh we
our social media was where the mouth, you know, go
see her, she's funny that was it, And um, you know,
I used to be really salty about that, because these
(03:58):
artists tend to come up quicker and much more profitable
than the work that we have put in. But also
it hurts me to think that their come up is
only financial and that they don't care about the art,
because there's many people who are on social media who
(04:18):
are doing comedy right now who don't know who Paul
Money was and don't care, who don't know who Robert
Townsend is and don't care, who don't know who David
Allen Greer is and don't care, And that type of
stuff hurts me. But then again, I don't know who
a lot of them are and don't care. Do you
(04:43):
feel like or how do you expect you know, this
younger generation to learn about the grades and stuff like that.
I understand if they're crap, but if the things that
are being like easily accessible to them are like the
Shiggis and the you know, I don't know whoever, DESI
Banks whatever, like the i G comedians are like that
is their form of comedy. So like, I guess what
(05:06):
I'm asking is, how do you expect them to learn
about the greats like Richard Pryor and Paul Well. You
have to want to. If you don't want to learn,
then you won't learn. You won't delve, you won't go
in your parents album crates and pull it out and listen.
If you don't want to know, you ain't gone though.
(05:26):
And I don't expect them to, uh no, unless they
want to. If you want to know, then you shadow people.
You hunt them down, you see if they have time
to talk to you or you know. I went out
for when I when I first moved to l A
for the third time, I went out for almost a
year to comedy clubs and never went on stage. I
(05:49):
just studied people. What works in this room? Why didn't
this work? Um? What kind of room is this over here?
What kind of community is that over there? I don't
just do comedy for black people. I go to Latin night,
I go to Persian comedy night, I go to gay
comedy night, and I want to see what everybody's doing.
But if you don't have that first, then you're not
(06:12):
gonna do any of that. So it's up to the people.
You learn what you want to learn. Yeah, And I
guess that applies to music as well, because it's like
you said about the art being lost. I have a
hard time just caring. I think that, Yeah, I think
the biggest thing I think about what she said? What
you have a hard time caring about what? Oh, I
(06:34):
have a hard time caring about like the music that's
being produced that's not like good music. Okay, well that's fair.
I like to show love and pick up and focus
on artists who, like, you know, learn instruments and like
are actually trying or actually have done their research. But
then I'd be feeling like if I do that, I'll
(06:55):
get left behind, so I'll be trying to keep up
and just show love. Well, you gotta not worry about
being left behind. You know I've been left behind still,
you know I still do what I do because I
love what I do. I've never had a show. I've
never been part of an ensemble on the show, never
done a special, never done none of that. I'm about
(07:17):
to do a Netflix special and my goal. Yes Chappelle
is producing Netflix special for me, and I want my
to be special. I don't want it just to be
yet another person coming out standing. I staying again, I
really want my special be special. So we're working on
some things right now. My goal, of course, is to
(07:39):
be the next black female in late night television. I'm
a late night and all you see as white man
after white man after white man after white man after
white man. There's no females to speak of, there's no latinas,
there's no you know, nothing but white man. They got
to names Jimmy do that. So you know there's room
(08:06):
for me in that space. That's what I'm That's what
I'm aiming at. But you know, you can't be worried
about being left behind, Like where you trying to go? Yeah, well, ship,
we're looking forward to know that's a question. Where are
you trying to go? Are trying to be are you
trying to be an artist? Are you trying to be
a celebrity? You know what is it? Um? I see
(08:27):
myself as just like an observer of the culture and
just document it like journalists but video style. Well then
what are you worried about being left behind? From what
do you mean? There's a good question also, I guess
and because I'm a DJ as well, so like I
gotta know what's hot. It's kind of like you said,
you gotta know how to work rooms like I have
to know how to work a sweet sixteen. I gotta
(08:50):
know how to work a prom. I gotta know how
to work you know, my parents birthday party. So it's
like I might not so catering to the younger people
who are gonna grow to be the biggest consumers. I
gotta know what they like. So even though it might
not be music I like, I still gotta tap into it.
But I think for me personally, when it comes to
just interviews, I want to interview people of substance that
(09:11):
I fu wi mentally. Okay, that I had to had
to think about it, good answer, Yeah, But okay, So
let's get into some of the current events. I've seen
you post on your Instagram yesterday about a girl left
alone in daycare for seven hours while her entire class
(09:33):
went on a field trip in a daycare. She's seven
years old. She was left alone at the daycare by herself,
no water, no food, no phone to call her parents
and tell them that everybody has left her on a
field trip and left me here by myself. She couldn't
(09:55):
do that for seven hours. So the teacher and the
other kids, we're gone, and they left her alone. That
girl could have been raped that girl could have been
murdered by anybody. And how do you do that? How
do you pull out on the bus without all the children? Yeah?
(10:18):
That and so now what what? It's just negligence, Like
the level of negligence. I don't even understand how something
like that it happens with people who are your job.
You're literally paid to take care of kids. That's your job.
So I don't even understand. I don't even understand where
you begin to to even make us create a space
(10:41):
where where that happens. Well, first of all, nobody cared,
you know, protect black women, protect black girls more than
a hashtag. No, but that's what happens to us. If
a little blond, white girl gets objective and raped, it's
the whole as Amber alert. But if a little black
(11:03):
girl gets subducted and Raye feel like, well, what was
she doing out there? Yes? Man? Yes? Man? And um,
when the last time I checked, when you get ready
to go on the field trip, A there's a parental
permission slip. I'm assuming their parents signed that slip. I
(11:28):
don't know for sure. I haven't gotten that much into
that case. And there is a case, but from everything
I knew about teachers and school. You do a role
call when the children get on the bus. You might
do another role call before the book full up. You
(11:49):
do a role call when the kids are getting off
the bus. You do a role call in lunchtime. You
do a roll call when they get back on the bus,
and you do a roll call when you get him
back to the school. That's the way I've always seen
people get down. Now, you mean to tell me, this
girl goes to school with these other students, and nobody
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said the world where has charted? M hm? How do
you leave a child alone in the school for seven hours? Yeah?
And the father told me that he was about to
give up the fight because he thought nobody. Nobody cared,
The school didn't care, the teacher didn't care. Nothing happened
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the next day or the day after that, other day
after that. I'm not saying until I came along, but
I'm certainly trying to shed some light on this situation.
And there are many millions of situations going on with
our kids and our women and our men right now
that deserved equally as much outrage. But this is the
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one that caught my attention because it was in Philadelphia.
I was in Philadelphia last week to do shows, and
I just decided to try to take some action. And
when they say the phrase when you if you see something,
say something, you do that. That's not snitching. That's like
my protective child. And you might protect your brother, your father,
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or your husband. You know, I don't give a damn
about that snitching clause. That's old school gangster bullshit from
back in the seventies. If you see something and say something,
you might say somebody. I certainly would want somebody to
say something and they saw something happening to me or mine. Absolutely,
Um do you think do you think that not just
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celebrities or not just comedians, but celebrities overall, Like do
you think y'all your platform is bigger than just the
performative aspect of the aspect of just being on stage.
Do you think it's um equally is important to do
the things you're doing right now where you see something,
say something they do you think or do you think
all celebrities have that uh duty or responsibility to to
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shed light on these on these problems or do you
just do it because you want to? Well, I just
do it because I want to. I think it doesn't
have any bearing on whether you a celebrity or not.
If you have a platform with seventeen people or you
have a platform with seventeen thousand people. If you see
some jestice, we have to call it out. If those
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people had that videotaped George Floyd, he would just be
another dead nick and then been under the brothers shot,
choked out, and beat down. Since George Floyd. I didn't
stop anything. That just shed the light on but we
already knew what was happening. There's been brothers murdered since
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George Floyd by the bowl. So this hasn't stop anything,
but it certainly shed some light on what was going
on because of course nobody believes the word of us.
You have a whole pastor who was watering the flowers
of his neighbor, yes, and got arrested. Police couched him
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until the white woman came along and said no, no, no,
he really is their neighbor, their friends. And they still
took him in and charged them. They still took him
in and charged him with I think it was like
and so with a man of God when they don't
even care what a man, when they will throw a
man of God to the ground, just like they will
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a dope dealer or anybody else. We don't. We don't
stand the chance. But if but if you see something,
you should say something. But that just goes to show
the hierarchy in the society of the word of a
white woman and against the word of anybody black around.
There's a many, many, many, many people locked up right
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now because the white girl said, he will you raped me?
Meet me? That's being said. I oftentimes feel like, especially
due to like social media activism, I feel like, well,
what's the point of saying something, because I just feel
like all we're doing is saying something, and I don't
think we're really being hurt. Well, you have to not
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just say something, you have to do something, you know,
Like I could have just posted about the story and
rand it and went on about my business. But I'm
actively involved in this situation right now, just by keeping
it out there and talking to the parents, and I
met with the child, and I'm helping with the lawyer
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and the stuff like this. You know, if you do
what you can, even when it comes to your leftover,
if you don't eat your steak, you're gonna throw it away.
Let me throw the way don't you notice somebody right
outside the door who is starving? Like you know, Tupot
came from Oakland at one point in his rear, and
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he did a big speech about how do you expect
us to act when there's a room full of food
and everybody's children over here, but right over here, everybody's starving.
You know, you you we have to have some comp
acid were so jaded because of everything we see every day.
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There's so many murders, so many beat down, so many rates,
and so many molestations that were just over Well, we
can't do something about everything, but you could take something
and do something about something. We have seen the world
change a lot. You ain't seen ship, oh do you?
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You ain't seen a month. But you wasn't around for
these riots. You ain't never been discriminated against for somebody
say you can't eat here, can't drink here. I have
I'm old enough to as a child. You know, your
life right now. Just the fact that you can do
what you're doing is very privileged. I remember the time
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they wouldn't let her a check on TV with an afro.
They wouldn't let to achieve every week. Yeah, you know,
slight attendants couldn't fly with their hair, like how we
wear our hair. You could be a teacher. You can
do next. And that's just our hair, let alone our
skin and our beautiful dominant black personalities. Come on, pretty,
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You better said that to feed your grandmother. If you
sell her, have one and let her tell you some stories,
get all social media and talk to your elders the story.
You ain't gonna never get it. Yeah, I talked to
her all the time. But that's why I was saying,
the world has changed so much just from the small
time we've been here. From yeah, from the short period
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I've been here, but also just from observation and his
three yea, like I know my grandma's is seeing she's
having like flashbacks like them, this is happening again, Like
you know what I'm saying, even down to like yeah, yeah,
that's what I was gonna go into, Like yeah, like
seeing that right, like seeing seeing like how everyone is.
So you know, I never lived in a time where
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she was getting taken away like this right, Well lucky
I'm in it now. These women used to be in
the back alleys with hangers trying to do self abortions,
and if they out locked these abortions which they have,
They're gonna gonna do that again. What are you gonna
do when your when your your uncle rapes you and
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now you're pregnant and you gotta sit across from him
and then Thanksgiving table every year? Does nobody believe you?
Maybe it's close the world out there. That's why I'm
glad that I do comedy. You can't tell from this
my roads conversation for having right now, But that's why
I do comedy because I just want to be able
to be the place that people can come at least
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for an hour, and I have and forget about all
that for a minute. It's gonna be waiting for you
right outside. But for a little while you can come
in here with me and I'll make you throw your
head back. People need those endorphins in their body. You know,
what's your what's your outlet? Though? If you're that for
everyone else, what is your outlet? Or do you use
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comedies as that outlet as that release as well? That's
a very good question. Who makes the clown laugh? Right? Um?
My outlet is um television. I like to escape into
movies and like my like to spend time with Mike,
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my daughter. She's a very prominent and beautiful dancer, and
I'm very proud of her. And then every now and then,
if I can you know have sets? Hey? That that
always uses my mind, you know, I love that? But
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do you use any of do you use any of this? Uh?
Oh no? I think that this is a better question.
So I know your daughter is mad Fly. I worked
with her when I was working with Coil. Oh yeah,
do you dance no dj oh yo? Okay yeah yeah, yeah.
She She just did her first Europe MM dates with Core,
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you know when they went to Amsterdam and Ireland and
punch and golf in Canada and stuff. Do you currently
listen to the what Hip Hop Questions? Legends and list
will be right back after this break. Do do people
have a hard time taking um or accepting like political
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um or social critique from from black women comedians more
than any other comedian because I don't really see those
comedians pushed to the forefront like you see, you know,
like the d L. Hugh Leaves in the Bill in
the Bill Birds and like the people who are you know,
I never really get to see the black women um
comedians who who pushed that narrative who pushed that line? Um?
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They typically just wanna you know so so like while
in the club, while on the front lines of this,
are you guys are are you feeling that pressure or
feeling that pushback? Uh, the same way I'm seeing it.
Or maybe I'm just not looking in the right places. Well,
like like who for instance? Um, like like where is
the like to me? I think you? Um, I think
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you maybe Monique, um, but really you are the only
one I'm seeing who who's having like certain social commentary
on stage? Um, where it's not just set up punch,
set up punch. Um, we're like you know where if
you look at the mail the male outside of comedy,
you have uh, you have the Chris Rocks, you have
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the Chappelle's, you have the Bill Burds, the Malls. You
have these guys that will, you know, sit down and
break down a political thing and everybody will be like,
this is the greatest thing ever. You know, this was
bigger than comedy. But I don't really see those conversations
being had about women comedians. Well, you have to be
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the type of female comic that people want to hear from,
and then a lot of people don't want to risk
their career maybe by saying something that might upset people.
First of all, I'm already established. There you go. I'm
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not going anywhere. There you go. Council culture has tried
to come for me. That didn't work either. Oh um,
I don't have anything to lose. I don't think that
my commentary on what's right and wrong it's gonna get
me in any kind of trouble that I'll say that
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I haven't already been in, you know what I mean,
And I don't know what kind of trouble that would be.
I can't be fired because I worked for myself. The
more controversy you are, the more people are gonna want
to come and see you. So the clubs certainly don't
mind what you're talking about. If they did, they wouldn't
book have the people that are that that that are
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being seen right now. I think you need to be
right and before the people when you're talking, you know,
and not be your own agenda like um. You know,
when I did the thing about the little girl Jordan's
I didn't do it to say, hey look at me,
I'm great. Look what I did. I did it to
bring awareness to the case and to maybe inspire other
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people to male say, you know what, I'm gonna do something.
You know I'm and you don't really have to look
far to find something to do. Something in your neighborhood
needs to be done probably, you know. And I just
think that I've lived long enough to earn the rage
that I have. You know, when I do do comedy,
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I do talk about the educational system. I do talk
about um uh, you know, weight is m in the
industry and in the world, and uh, these are things
that are you know, pre paramount to the existence of
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people in real life. So I don't know. I just
I got a big mouth. I got a lot of
hard I'm very passionate about stuff, and I talked about it,
you know, and shut me up on the eighth of
eight kids. So maybe that has something to do with
it that I take my platform and be heard when
I maybe wasn't heard. You know. Now I wanna you know,
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this is the what hip hop question legend list, So
I do want to get into some hip hop ship
with you. Um, I want to know what was something
because like you said, like you said a few minutes ago,
you know, you you've been here a while, You've seen
the world change from where you were in the world
when hip hop at hip hop inception, what was your
relationship with hip hop? Like, what was in what was
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the early influences you had, if any um and maybe
what what was probably you know, inspiring you to while
getting on stage? What were you maybe playing on the
headphones before show? Well? Um, first of all, I remember
when hip hop started. I remember when be Boys and
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stuff was out there, breaking on cardboard boxes and spending.
That was a very East Coast thing, wasn't on the
West coast ship. I think the West Coast scene came
about because of all the brutality from the police and
everything like that. And that's when you know I scused
them and in Wa came about. But before that, I
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was you know African Colombada caress one uh public enemy. Um,
you know, knowledgeable people for a righteous teachers, Udini, um
Eric being rock Cam of course the woo. That's I
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like old school hip hop. I like that and that
hip hop was out before the word blame because Little
Wayne Star did that blame. They were talking about knowledge
and enlightenment and self destruction. They weren't talking about bitches
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and licking it and stinking it and pose and mighty
on my wrist and all that ship him used to
be for the people. I think now it's just very yourself, sir.
M h damn, instead of talking about us m hmm
and what I like to Before a show, usually there's
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some gangster ship hey ump pump by smooth? Um, well,
well what's that juxtaposess? And like right, because you said,
you know you you were speaking about you know, the
righteous music, but right before you go on stage usually
into that gangster ship with it was the bitches and
the holes and the shoot him what what? What? What's?
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Because I don't think anybody ever talks to women, specifically
black women, about your the way you guys are able
to ingest hip hop and still be critical of it. Um,
which is you know right. One of my favor are
things about the coaches watching women be able to be
like yeah, well I like this, but if you say
this over, I'm not working with this. So so what
what was that juxtaposition? Like? Or were you just you?
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Were you not even thinking that much? Intol He was like, listen,
I gotta get height for the show and this is
what's gonna do it? Basically like, um so my name
is lu now, but my nickname is el Murder because
oh I'm saying I'm going out there to kill some ship.
I'm not going out there too give you chuckles and
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oh she was so amusing. I'm going to try to
wreck shop every time I go on stage. I want
somebody to fall out to chair, I want somebody to
spent their drink out, I want somebody to cry tears
why they lashes off and you you have to go
out there with with the mindset of a killer. And
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that's what I I mean. I don't just listen to that.
Sometimes I might be listening to Roy here, but not
usually it could be mellow. I want to be yeah yeah, so, um,
that's why I listened to stuff like that. I'm really
down with Mount Westmore right now, which is a super
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group you know, Too Short and E forty and Ice
Cube and Snoop. So I listened to you know, Big
Supper for some time, and um, you know I might
go I might go from that to Tina Marie or
to Mary Jane. Girl. It's just appearing on how I
feel and how my airbals is kicking in. Um. If
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you had to compare your comedy to uh, you know
a woman rap grade, you know your comedy styling. Who
would it be maybe like Remy. I can see that,
I can see that treat us. I can see that
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treated I like that question. That's a good question. You're
now listening to the what if questions legend and listen.
Will be right back after the break. Um, and I mean,
you know, we want to have phone with you. You know,
we we definitely you know we both love you here. Um,
we definitely want to have phone with you. So we
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have this list. We we found this list. Shout out
to our guy critics of the culture. He curated this
list of the fifty worst rappers of all time, which,
by the way, we don't agree with all the names
on this list because out of the fifty, there's a
lot of great rappers on here. They have Diddy on
this They have Diddy on this list, and I'm really
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pissed off, Like I'm really mad. Number three. That's why
I'm like at that mad at that not matter that
at all has to be written by a New Yorker
because they have all the Southern artists on here. You
don't see nobody from the North phone here. Diddy. Let's
object to whoever made you right. But okay, so Slick
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the Shocker, Silk Silk the Shocker, I don't know who.
I don't know who's sloking. I don't know who's Slick
the Shocker right now. So so uh yeah, so we'll
run some of the names, some of them, you know,
some of the most egregious names. I think easy. Okay,
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they have the yingying Twins on this list. I think
that's a little disrespectful to call them the worst rabbits
of all times? Where are they now? There are I
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get excited when they perform at least three tracks, I think.
But to call them the rappers, I think this you wasted.
You wasted a name, or unless you could have put
somebody who takes this like. I don't think those guys
think they're good rappers. They put a little Yaddi on here.
I'm like, Okay, he's pretty bad. He seems successful, but
he's pretty bad Vanilla ice. I say something and was out, Yes,
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let's go, let's go. The legends here to talk. I'm
gonna name a name. This doesn't mean that I don't
have affection for this person, and this doesn't mean that
they weren't important to the culture. But they weren't important
to me, and I didn't take that they were that
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great to me. Who was it, bis bis marquis expect
I just didn't. I just you know, he of course,
everybody's saying, you got what I need. It was a
horrible record. What about the way? What about the vapors?
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What about But we're looking at the sample if the music,
it ain't that the lyrics, Like I never thought that's
a point that's as a rapper is bit more. Megan
the Stallion definitely should be on this list. No, no no, no,
I'm saying, like flow like Megan the Stallion. Also always
says that Megan the Stallion has a she rapped like
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she rapped like Como d. It's just the context is
just different. I love Megan, these niggers, this mark would
definitely be on on that side. Um, who else is
I'm not saying there's one of the words rappers of
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all time, but I'm saying, oh my rap scale book.
I just I mean, you know, I mean I've met
Wiz and and all that kind of stuff, but and
just you know, there's a couple of things. But when
you talk about a catalog or legendary. I'm thinking like
Wu Chang. I'm thinking like you know, you know uh,
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like I said, E P M d if I'm thinking
that and I leaves. People don't come for me about
this because I know, you know, nobody beats the bills.
That's true. But what I mean, I'm downloaded the latter
bought it And think, have you ever wanted to wrap? Like? Whatever?
Time when you want to wrap? Never? What I want
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to do. What it is I'm doing that is so dope.
It was the never. It's the way she said that,
like never, It's never crossed my mind. It's been cute
to listen to. Oh you know. That's the thing. When
you're doing something, do what you think that you can
excel at. Do what you think that you're good at.
Like I think I can excel at comed Yeah, I
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think I'm good at acting. I'm not the greatest access
you know where nobody has seen it yet because I
would have had any I haven't had to carry a movie,
you know. I just pop in, get my joke and
be out. But um, I don't think I would be
a great rapper. I can't remember all the lyrics. You
know what I'm saying you look at like people who've
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been in the game for thirty years already, and they
gotta remember. And then also, if you make a hit,
oh god, be prepared to do that for the rest
of your life. Will never be able to do a
show without saying one to three and two the phone. Never. Yeah.
So if you make it, get you better love it
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because you'll be seeing that the rest of the Is
it like that with jokes? Is it like that with jokes?
Like there like is there one joke you have to
always tell or like if they're one, like you have
to perform more time. No. So, if you had to
name your top five favorite comedians, who are your five?
Oh good? Bernie Mac yes, rest in peace, Robin Harris, yes,
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rest in peace, Haulmoney in peace, Joan Rivers Oh wow wow? Um,
I mean I can't name five. Richard Eddie, Um, Sam Kennison, Um,
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um my boy that used to go to jail all
the time. Um no, no, how dare you? I just
didn't not even have months on a huge arena tour
with chat. She would know his name, she know his
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interview over. No, I'm thinking about my boy he was. Uh.
Lenny Bruce, Lenny Bruce you don't know nothing about him.
Lenny used to go to jail all the time for
the things that he would say because they used to
have censorship in comedy and you couldn't get up and
come on stage and talk about Jews. So cancel culture
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isn't new at all and come in then, so the
wire comedians so like wire comedians fighting so hard today
against it if it's not new, because what you just
said lets me know that you know, having to you know,
having to be on stage and be as wild as
you want to be, but still having to you know,
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perform within a certain box. You can't offense certain people.
Why they why is cancel culture or the back you know,
the pushback against cancel culture so prevalent today. If if
it sounds like you guys always had to deal with it.
Nobody wants to be hated upon. Nobody wants to bashed
every time they open their phone. People got families. Nobody
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wants to have your sisters and brothers and children read
bad stuff about you. Nobody wants that. Mm hmm. You
know when people was getting when Lenny Bruce was going
to jail for saying what he wanted to on stage
at the time. The time was different. It was you know,
we weren't as free to talk about things as we
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are now. And I think that the Council of Culture
is only a certain age demographic, and I think that
it um it's a popularity contest. You know, I think
it doesn't happen. I have to you know, I think
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that you should have canceled there before it hit TV.
You know was ratchet. Maybe it shouldn't have been on
TV in the first place. If you have a rap
song that you can't stand, look at all the people
that it took to put this rap song on the radio.
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Somebody had to do the music to it. Somebody had
to take those lyrics, those horrible lyrics, and put them
up on YouTube. So somebody had the okay this I
had okay, that had okay. Whatever wraps on you here,
unless it's independent, probably went through a hundred and fifty
white folks. And they don't care how many times you
say nigga. You know, they're not looking out for our
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best interests in our culture. That's really for us to do.
And when you're taking your kids to school in the morning,
maybe you shouldn't play the city girls. Maybe you should
wait till they get out to car. I'm not saying
don't play the city girl. I like the city girl.
But I'm just saying that if you don't want your
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kids to memorize and say that school, maybe you shouldn't
be played in the car. Parents have to take a
little bit of responsibility to you know, justin raising our kids.
When my parents had company over, I had to get
defunct out the room. It was no set up in
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grown folks face. If you're gonna hear it, you're gonna
be straining and trying to listen from the stairway. But
people will have their kids all up in the middle
of the card gang smoking weed, blowing weed smoking The
kids say what, I'm a hot one? What what you say?
Is that? Shocking news to y'all is something like do
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you agree or not? No? I agree, I just think
that I had said that. No, I think there's a
I don't know if we can take all of those
ways and bring them to today, because I do think, well,
you can run your own household, yes, yes, so like
I have two daughters, so I don't you know. So
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I I was raised very much that way. My mother
and father was raised very much that way so with
my daughters, because I'm cognizant that I'm I'm raising two
black girls. I don't want them feeling like I don't
want them feeling like they ever have to uh sense
of themselves or have to you know, scurry away. But yeah,
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but you're probably love Beyonce. Don't say absolutely, they know
the album, they know that's a new song, you know,
I mean, not not around me. They can't say it
around me, but I don't try. But I also don't
try and telling my kids they could curse, just not
around me. So like my oldest she just started her
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sophomore year today, she's fifteen, and in my youngest five
six seven. Oh no, I mean because I do this,
because you know, because I do media, because I do journalism.
I don't want my kids to have the relationship with
words that I had where it was like, oh, this
is a bad word. I love the fact that Bes
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coming out with three different albums. I love that you
got from the brother the kids. I don't mean children.
I love that, but I don't think that. I don't
think that maybe maybe we as much as we love it,
now break my soul. You can play that for the
kids that it should be an anthem and all that.
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You know, some of the cuts on there, I think
maybe you should just play when the kids get out
of God, they're gonna hear it anyway, but we don't
have to. But if they're gonna hear anyway, why why
shouldn't we be the ones to introduce what we do
in my house and not Okay, I got you're saying.
I got saying, got you, you know, over your friend's house,
and I'm gonna literally listen to it. You know, what
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are you gonna do? But when you have the mind house,
we're gonna listen to a few select cuts and then
I'm not gonna play certain ship that I know you're
going to remember eyes and repeat. You know you won't
get it from me. I can't help what goes on
outside the door. I can't help that. Wish I could
you up that. I wish I could tell a Paris
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when my kid comes out and don't play that that's
not realistic. But when you my house, you won't get it.
You know. I had to do that with my own kids.
Like my own kid was backstage when I was talking
trash about her and everybody else on Safe Most of
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the time she had her headphones and I wasn't being
me no never mind, right, you know, I have to
take my own advice about my own stuff. I'm not
just trying to be self righteous. That happened in my
in my own house, my own dog, and I wasn't Beyonce.
It was me. But my daughter also doesn't repeat my material.
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You know, she she's gonna repeat, beyonest, but she didn't
gonna repeat my material. I'm not mad at that. That code.
I think it's respect it's respectable. So well, we definitely
think if chopping it up with us, and I think,
you know, I think if there was ever a question
to ask, I think we asked. If we asked it,
we're gonna answer it. And it's sure. It's why is
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Lune the best comedian of all time? And I think
she showed us why today because she's not gonna play
with us. She's I'm not I'm not a goat, and
I'm not the best of all time, but I think, um,
I might be the best now that I can be,
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and I don't. I have a styarist like anybody else's.
And I think I tried to keep it as honest
since I can for myself, and I hope that nobody
takes a fence through any of the ship I said
about Biz before he com saying, but if they do,
I just have to live with that. But I mean
(45:50):
no harm. I mean you actually question. And so that's
why we didn't go already down the list. Hey, why
don't you give me a couple more names off that list? Though?
I got you right, I got you right now. A
few more names after this. We got Little Pump, Little
flip O j, the juice Man, Walker, flock of Supplies,
(46:15):
the littles. You threw all the littles together. Now, all
the littles, there's a lot of little you know they got.
They got your boy on here. They got Risin on
here at number forty seven. Yeah, they got Rison at
number forty seven. She's livid as one of the worst
(46:36):
robbers of time as one of these trash Mr. Nobody
in the wood not to me, mrs now, please tell
the people where they can continue to support you, where
they could come see you, how they can get tickets
and all that good stuff. Well, you can follow me
(46:56):
on Instagram, especially if you want to know about the
little girls. I was talking about this too. Posts on
my Graham right now about that at lunell l U
e n e l l um my website where you
can see my tour dates and you can also purchase tickets,
especially like this weekend while I'm here in New York
(47:17):
and I'm gonna be at Caroline starting Thursday night. One show,
Thursday night, two shows on Friday too, on Saturday, one
on Saturday. And you can get those tickets at hey
lunell dot com. H E Y l U e n
e l l dot com and also I am at
(47:38):
by Now this is gonna sound crazy, but I'm telling
you it's gonna be classy and erotic and plus people
gotta think about my feet. By the end of September,
I am starting only fans, let's go, But I'm not
I'm gonna need you to subscribe. I'm subscribing listen it
open because I got four brothers, I got a kid.
(48:01):
I can't and I just wouldn't do that no way.
But I'm talking about, you know, for the for all
the foot fans out there, which I've got a lot.
You know, there's got to be a lot of beautiful
pedicured situations and maybe some chocolate on my toes, maybe
in the beam and stuff like that, and then some others.
I have a photo shoot Thursday, Matt with this hot
(48:22):
model and there's gonna be some erotica on there, you know.
But I ain't gonna be doing nothing that I have
not done when I you know, I was a savage
e spent to lingerie and bestator for two years, you know,
talk legend. So I had to do a lot of
opposing and low lights for those photo sessions. So it's
(48:46):
gonna be hot. And you know, I mean, I ain't
gonna let everybody get all this money all around me
and I'm not getting nothing. You want to see my
feet and you could go right here. I can't tell
you how many cash outs. So I've got let me
feel pedicure, you know, because I ain't got no corns,
no bunions. I got toe rings and the whole ship.
The biggest payment you got for the front feet pick black,
(49:08):
five hundred dollars. Yeah, I let them pick. I let
him pick the color and the design and then I
went and got it. Wow, I'm not doing it right,
but you taught me that. Thank you. No, if I
(49:32):
got to look into this, there's a big community out there.
How I like the man who appreciate beautiful feet, because
there are some beautiful women out there, was some busted
ass feet. And my mom always kept me in good shoes.
And she always told, you know, like you know, these
(49:53):
kids these days they start walking in tennishoot, but when
I was going up, we had to start walking in
these other kind of shoes, little hard, little the little
white shoes, right yeah, the ones you get bronze. And
my mom did that to me. We'll see you probably
got good seek you man. I don't know there's I
(50:15):
do I got. I got mouse is good on hygiene,
I will say, but thank you so much. Huh. When
you come to the show this weekend, I'm gonna actually
take off your shoes. I'm gonna take it off. And
I just got my pedicure. I'm not I'm not scared
of nothing. I'll be like, let me see them talk
(50:37):
and I'm I don't want to see I don't want
to see no ash. No, I don't. Won't you know
you want see no ash? The the ankles, the ankles
are smooth, the cash smoove, the heels are smooth. The
toes is even to happen because I don't. Yes, we
(50:57):
need we need you man to be taking care of
your feet and shout out to all the little vietnames
as out here taking thank you, thank you, God, bless you. Yes,
thank you, Kelly, thank you Casey, love y'all Casey and Kelly.
They take care of my hands and feet. Thank you,
loved him, and thank you for taking care of that
(51:18):
my brothers, because don't nobody ought to be in bed
with somebody who to nails, just shredding his sheets. That's
not discussing. Mrs Lounell. Once again, thank you so much
for your time. We appreciate you and we will see
you this Friday. Okay, well, I hope to see you there.
Keep your word being man and the lady of your word.
My show. We got Rolando Watts on the show with me,
(51:42):
a G. White from Brooklyn. He's hosting the show. It's
gonna be fat. I just hope that everybody comes out
that supports me like they have before. I've never had
a bad time commediately and in uh New York. And
you won't st today, but you know that we can
old look, thank you will. I'll look to see everybody
(52:06):
there and thanks for this very impromptu interview Piva Feeble.
I only found out about the interview about four ye.
They didn't have any scars of people. I'm a copy
and if you say, why is you guys, I don't
bound scar fun this up? Well, because this is the
best I could do. A last Smith. Well, we appreciate you.
(52:27):
We appreciate you making time for us. Thank you, guys,
I appreciate you too. Okay, Bye. Don't miss an episode
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the Black Effect Podcast Network and our executive producer is
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