Verse of The Year

Jay-Z and J. Cole make Mouse and Nyla’s list for Verse of the Year, but who else is in the discussion? Feat. Chris from Critics of Culture 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, guys, and welcome to the What Hip Hop
Questions List? I know someone and I'm the man that
puts the juxon juxtaposition nous John, and we are the Yeah,
you should be used to be repeating that part. I know,
I never like, I know you do it, but I
never watched you do it, and I was just like
filming it. I got seeing you do it in real time.

(00:20):
I got downtack down. This is what true works should
in friendship and familieship. This is what happens when you
really like your cost. Yes, we're not like those other
podcasts question. What does juxtaposition mean? What does juxtaposition mean?
It means when when I do it, you means that
I think it's the jukes, but typically just means to

(00:43):
be in agreement but disagreement at the same time. So
I just represent an opposite side of whatmimal The normal
naysayers are ye sayers say that is that makes perfect
sense for you put the Druxton juxtaposition, because I also, well,
at a different time in my life, it could also
be a jox come up off that my nigger. Thanks

(01:05):
appreciate that. Yeah, but we've been practicing breathing, breathing, shout
out to uncle Maul. But did you did you think
I didn't know what juxtaposition meant? No, I just like
to hear you know everybody's dictionary definition. I think you
didn't think. I think you didn't think. I don't think

(01:26):
you pulled my vocabulary. Car it doesn't think it. No, No,
it's like seeing two sides and like, you know, evaluating
each side as you see it, right, yep, okay, all right.
So now that we got that vocabulary, listen to the
day or day we would not be able to do
this podcast without are amazing producers blocking a kid? Wait,

(01:48):
why is that not on the script? No more? Because
we haven't got a shout out a while. I gotta
say me and they came up, Well, that's funny because
you write the script d block, so you haven't got
a shot. Oh my gosh. All right, um, what were
we saying? There's there's something I wanted to mention? What

(02:10):
do you want to mention? Talk to me, gang, I
can't remember. Oh no, I was gonna say, not ever
done on our vocabulary lesson where the day of juxtaposition.
You're welcome, You're welcome. Maybe we should do that once
a week. Word of the day should be a word
of the day, should be a hip hop word of
the duck. This is you. Okay, we'll do like a

(02:30):
hip hop word the day, Like I'm gonna go like
deep into the wood thing and like see if the
next first of all the you know what we should
we should pull up and every week the word of
the day should be done this way. It's the word
of the week, and we find a hip hop lyric.
They used a big word and see if they used
it properly. De block you against that? I like it

(02:54):
reminds me of Pee Herman when needet the word and
the place went crazy. Petere Herman was on it was
a TV show now back in their early nineties. Okay,
he then got caught like jerking off in like a theater.
So I don't want to be compared to that of
the day, real word of the day. But okay, cool.

(03:16):
So there's been a lot of discussion going on. Jay
Z did his verse on Kala's new album God did
I don't. I'm I'm all talked out about it. Honestly
a lot. That's that's funny, right to say that idiots,
Oh my God, I heard of all let's talk about
our good old uncle Charlotte. Man, he shut me up. No,
he did it. I didn't know he was gonna do
the first well he saw your comment. Well, I didn't

(03:38):
know he could have said something before. Like I sat down.
I was like, like he said, because if I had
known I was gonna do, I wouldn't did it was like,
but I knew he was going to disagree, and I
also knew that that was gonna lead to a bunch
of people who I don't care about their opinion giving
me their opinion. So there's that. But you know, it's
all about, you know, the culture of the community. It is,

(04:00):
and it was more eyes on who know what? Hipot
question your list every Monday. It did. I kind of
let you guys rock because you guys are both more
J fans than me. I'm like, I need you get
your J up. I have my J. Miss Cole, I
hate that you said that, but I love how like smooth,

(04:21):
pretty smooth. That's pretty smooth. That's pretty fucking smooth. Yeah,
but no, seriously, like I hit sharp after and I'm like, man,
that was a really good debate that you guys had.
You know, I got my favorite j versus. But the
way that you guys are passionate about it, like about
JA versus, how I'm passionate about good co versus even
back to his old early mixtape freestyles and like word

(04:43):
from word from Radom, I could do that well. I
think I think we should get deeper into it today.
That should would be what today is about. Um. But
before we get into that, you gotta talk about a
little bit of news, little hip hop news. Kanye has
been going against the Gap, Adidas and anyone else speaking
of the Gap. Shout out to your hoodie today. Man,

(05:04):
it's Dapper Dance Slash Gap collab fire. Shout out to
Dap Dance, Shout to their team. I'm not sure who
sent him, but shout out to them. I appreciate that
this is so fire and I got the blue one
is fire, very fire, and like growing up in New York,
Nig's definitely stabbed the Gap. Hoodies on Rafflareen and Gap
have those hoodies on eight all day. So it's a

(05:26):
very good hoodie. Yeah, very valid. Um. But yeah, uh,
can we talk about what's going on with Kanye in
the Gap for a minute. I mean, look, Kanye is
having issues with his business Piers. He's taking it out Aline.
I don't know if it's a publicity stunt to the
next drop cells out. I don't know if this is
real issues. To me, Kanye is like the boy who
cried with I don't even really want to know. And also,

(05:48):
don't be using whiteness and blackness as a plea or
something to lean on after you were blend abandoned the
black community all these years talking about is it because
I'm black? Kanye? Do you even still identify as black?
An las Piste that conya, No, I'm just it's a headache.

(06:09):
One minute is this? One minute? Is that? Is? This?
Is like, don't be using me for your benefit. I
refused to keep up with the circus. Well, I think
what's going on. I'm not a founding sent sure what's
going on with the gap? I do know that yet
he's had he's taking issue with the Dada's for a while, um,
dating back to when the Didas did that like easy
restop and we're like releasing new color ways and things

(06:30):
that need that he didn't approve. He was very public
about that, um, and then he's been on Instagram going
nuts UM right now. Uh, I'm not a therapist nor
my mental health professional. UM. I just be wanting to
see Neggs do better. Um. But what I can say
is this seems like he's having another meltdown because just

(06:51):
outside of all the Adidas talking all that, he's just
been wilding. He's been wilding on Instagram. And it's like,
like I said, I don't know what's the it looks
like it to me, but he picks and tchools wants
when he wants the while. That's why I'm like, I
don't even know if this is like a real thing.
When he said, Kim got mad diarious and I almost
lost it. She was like telling her personal business. This

(07:15):
is just dumb. You think they're getting back together. I
don't know. I really don't see that. You've seen that
maga shoot she did. Yeah, it's really bad. I'm not
gonna lie. The eyebrows, not gonna lie to you. I
never thought it would be a day with that woman
is not attractive, that Kim Kardashian and that last thing
is not attraction. I think it's the eyebrow, that blond
eyebrows she did with the blonde hair. Just I think

(07:37):
if she would have kept her hair black, she still
would look nice. Yeah. I never knew there was gonna
be a day with Kim Kardashian was not attractive. But
here we are. Yeah, when they do get back together,
I'll be happy just for the sake of their family.
I'd be had for the sake of everyone else, Like good,
leave us. The fuck you think they're gonna get quiet,
the two of them, they're both marketing horse. They're gonna

(08:00):
They're just gonna keep doing it. I want somebody to
check in on Pete Davison. Make sure, why make sure
he's okay. He's getting threatened, sucking you was one of
the baddest bitches in the world, and now your time's up.
What's wrong? He's had worse. His father died in nine eleven.
I think he survived worse than a Kim Kardashian breakup
or Kanye Kanye some threats from internet people. That's not

(08:24):
gonna do anything. There he went and got this woman
and her kids tadded he's an idiot. Check on Pete Davis,
check out of here. I hope he's having a terrible day.
I hope he's okay. To a millionaire, you make money
you make a living over of telling pretty pretty said

(08:46):
pretty funny. Yeah, I've seen the direction you're going because
I just wanted to stop you by your head. I'm tired.
I'm tired of talking about your friends talking about somebody
else we both don't know. I don't really know him
like that. The point of the matter is Kanye flipping
on the didas my problemise what this is? Uh one,
I stay at a billionaires business, not my business, I do.
I do think that if somebody you know, I think

(09:09):
what niggas get confused as business versus respect the morals, Um,
then this is just me speaking. I'm not speaking for anyone,
So you know I mean sucking my dick. Um. Nigga
business is based on what you would do if you
was in the street, what you were doing the hood,
what you would do. This is the right thing to

(09:29):
do when you weren't here dealing with these white people
about what was on that paper, bro, if you signed
that page and we've been dealing with this ship for years, bro.
Like when when we talk about nigs getting sucked open deals,
some of it feel I feel bad for for these
young kids who were preyed upon, but nigga, you keep
signing bad deals nigga like a nigga like um, I

(09:52):
don't even like saying this nick name, but nigga Like
Joe Button, he kept signing bad deals and then complaining.
This went from music to media, like you would sign
the deal then complain, like what the funk is wrong
with y'all? Kanye, I'm like that something tells me Adidas
is not gonna move shifty with you. They're gonna move

(10:14):
exactly how the paper and the deal aligned. So now
you feel like he has said something to thing like
mad such and such, you know, three point four billion
dollars or three point four million whatever, it's like a
big numb thirty million or something. Never put me on
the phone with this person. Was that in a deal? Now,

(10:36):
I don't think Ada should be releasing it. I don't
think they had the right. I don't know, but I
don't think they had the right to do what they
did with that drop. Like if we're talking about easy,
one of them, you know, I think one of the
then change, but you still yeah, but you can't release it.
That's like, well, I hope Jordan don't be the ones.

(10:56):
I hope Michael Jordan don't be the one okay in
some of these color ways because it be like, bro,
what the fun? That's what I'm saying. I don't think
he is. But I think Kanye is somebody that's very neurotic.
I think he's very He's the one saying, yeah, let's
do it. Like they got similar deals. I feel like
it's a system that's set up. No, Jordan didn't have
the same thing. He doesn't play like that. I'm saying
as far as like they have a percentage, they have

(11:18):
creative say. But at the end of the day, if
they're gonna drop some ship, they're gonna drop some ship.
My problem well, I don't even know it's the problem.
I have seen that you know, other black celebrity are
coming and support Kanye. I E. Swizz did he um.
I don't know if this is the thing that you
should come out and support him, Like there's so many

(11:39):
other times I could have support him, like kind of
like when he's having a breakdown and doing like dumb
ship and you can kind of like ill a little bro. Yeah,
maybe not, Maybe this isn't the thing to do. And
I also don't want to really, I never want to,
like ship on Kanye, even though I might not like
or agree with sure Dooby shipping on him for a

(12:00):
person like shoting on him. No, I don't want to
shoot on him because he is a genius at the
end of the day. So it's like, all right, however,
you get to your creative geniusness, then fine, but then
the process be killing me like watching it, that's all. Um,
how do you feel about did He and size though?
How do you feel about them? Say it? Stepping in?

(12:21):
Stepping in? Did he saying? Did he basically saying that
that's been going on with a dita since run DMC.
I'm gonna just repeat back what you say. I don't
get a billionaires business is not my tax Brodie. I
have no idea how to ship works. I feel like
Swizzen did he would have more insight. It could contribute
more to Kanye than I could anything I could possibly say.

(12:42):
Right now, I'm just a fan, you know what I mean,
And as a fan, I've just given my fan opinion.
Touche touche. All right, So now that we finished covering
the current events, um, let's get into today's topic. What
do you mean? What was that that that note you
hit that was you like the d as a G minor.

(13:10):
I know all the all the all the uh all
the musicians just got really pissed just now, well before
before before now let's start singing again. I do want
to get into the topic we came here to discuss today. Yes, listen,
being on Charlotte, being on Britain idiots. This past week
discussing hose verse got into a whole bunch of more

(13:33):
discussions about versity year so far, which we do understand
people at home, there's a lot more years ago. But
and we also, I personally don't think it's necessarily just
j Z. You're so dispectful. What it is other artists
that had great versus right, and we're gonna talk about

(13:55):
it so before we you know, dive into our lists
of versus other years so far. Bring on our guests.
Let's bring on our guests. A young legend in the making, yo,
who honestly be trolling us with the memes he'd be
putting on his page. He ain't for those who don't know,
he runs critics of the culture and you post a
lot of barbershop talk, you know type memes and just

(14:17):
stir up madd emotions for real hip hop fans. Yeah,
he's really good at that. Like, I've never met someone
that good at making people mad. I've never met someone
that good like I think. I think I do a
pretty good job obviously does a good job. Actually, but
this guy right here, man, he's able to do it
with the memes. We would like to welcome the head

(14:38):
of the Critics of Culture Instagram page. Make sure you
follow that Critics of Culture um Instagram. Chris, Welcome to
the What hip Hop Questions Legends and Liz, How are
you brother? Good in you? Can you hear me? Yeahah,
we hear you, brother? Okay? Great. First of all, I
just want to thank you guys for having me on

(14:58):
your platform. I've been watching y'all to individually for years.
Thank you. So it's great to see you guys come
together and make some content for the culture. Thank you
as well. Darren, you've been following the page for a
while now. Thank you. I don't thinking wait man, during Okay,

(15:24):
I'm not I'm not touching that. Chris. Let me ask
you this, Chris, when did you know you was good
at creating conversation? Well, I'm I'm gonna let you know,
but can I can I just share something right quick? Yeah?
Of course, all right, and this is directed at you.
I just want to make this abundantly clear. I'm not
from Connecticut. Nothing about me says Connecticut or New England.

(15:45):
I'm from Virginia. Secondly, me saying Jay's versus on I
love the Dough because he had two verses is better
than his entire verse on God did doesn't invalidate any
of my opinions about Jay Z hippop or anything else.
I say all that because you and Charlotte Maginne were
kind of trying to play me a brilliant idiots. I'll

(16:05):
send you the clip Darren Um if you want to
just give context to the viewers. Uh, because I would
actually like to work with you a dollar one day,
and you're only gonna work with me. Let alone talk
to me if you think I'm some random guy from
Connecticut hip hop. No, and not rather and not to
cut you off, but I'd rather you judge me off

(16:25):
your impression of me, and not Charlotte Magne's impression impression
of me, because you know, for me, it's just it
was just an opinion, and I don't want you to
judge me off at that type of an opinion. Oh no, no, no,
I know. I think we've been following long enough to
to know, you know, you know what you're talking about.
But it was just a bit egregious, you know, to

(16:45):
say I love the dough, but like I love the
do it is really good. I love the dough, no
pun intended. It's a it's a it's a classic verse.
But I'm gonna be honest, I had to prepare for
this discussion we're gonna have today. So me listening into
that song did not change my mind. I listened to
it over and over again. And me listening to the

(17:07):
breakdown with Guru or Rob Markhaman didn't change my mind either.
Shout definitely, shout to them. Shout to Rob Markman for
reposting um my content and also commenting on the page.
So what changed. I'm gonna go I'm gonna go ahead
and saying now I changed my mind. I first I

(17:28):
said this verse was okay, But because I had to
do research last night, I went speaking to Rob Markman,
I went to Genius, so I actually saw which versus
and no versus? Which lines actually meant more than what
I thought it did, And That's what made me realize
this versus actually greater than I initially you know, expected.

(17:52):
The said it was because I looked at this verse
from a very surface level perspective. And to be honest,
jay Z has a lot of verses where you don't
necessarily need to dissect them to understand what he's trying
to say. This ain't one. This ain't one of them.
I will, I will wholeheartedly say that Charlotte Mayne was right,
and I will say that you were right and said

(18:13):
stating that this verse wasn't necessarily overrated and it was
more than just okay and good. I'll even go out
as far as to say it's great. Now when we
talk about that whole top jay Z features, this is
top ten. At first I said it was top twenty.
It's top ten. I will give it. I will give

(18:35):
it top ten based off of the the double entendres alone,
because those those those surface level, those surface what I thought,
what I thought certain lines meant, They honestly didn't mean.
They meant what I thought they meant, but they meant
other things too. And you have to look into this
verse in order to realize that, because nothing that Robert

(18:58):
Gurgle said, went over my head. But it was the
things that I was actually reading on genius is what
I didn't realize. And you really have to know what
jay Z was talking about and know what's going on
in his life. You know the intricacies of that verse.
I'm sorry for being long one day. We're talking just now.
Now you go as the podcast so you currently listen

(19:20):
to the what hip Hop Questions legends and list will
be right back after this break. This versus so special,
right Like, the this verse right here is so special
because it's the long game, right like me and me
and Charlemagne discussed it with Nilo on on Britant Idiots,

(19:41):
where we were like, yeah, like we're like, it's like
showing up to jay Z and looking too like, you know,
break down his verse without listening to jay Z for
thirty years, You're gonna be a little bit. You're gonna
be a little bit. It's it's hefty, right like. But
this with that was that was me in this case,

(20:01):
not you not, I not. I'm not I'm not a
jay Z stand and I'm not a whole thing as
some as Joe Button would say, I'm none of those things.
But I am a fan of his music. Yeah no no,
not you, No, no, not you. I'm just saying in general, right, like,
this is what even for someone like if I never

(20:21):
listened to Whole right and this, or if I was
a casual listening to the Whole and this was my first,
you know, introduction to him in the long form fashion,
I would be like, oh, yeah, you know what I mean.
You wouldn't understand because he started this. This verse was
set up years ago, right, This verse was set up
on Dead Presidents Too well. Also, we also need to

(20:46):
add that this verse is a combination of past versus
because when you go into pound Cake, when you go
into Seeing It All you, you will see how he's
kind of going back to those verses and like exactly
those verses. This verse goes to show that those verses

(21:06):
aged extremely well. I hope that makes sense because I'm
naming those songs for a very specific reason. Exactly So
when Jay says when dead Presidents too, he says he
saw he says, um, I don't look alike what we
don't look like? We just know. Charlotte Mayne said look

(21:29):
and I'm looking like No, we're just lighter, skinner we're
just lighters, gonna have hair in Yeah, I want to.
I want to make that clear to Mouse. I watched
what you but me and you do not look alike.
I have family a Long Island. I've been watching you
for years. I know you're from Long Island. I got
family and wine Dan Jane Roosevelt. So yeah, they probably
they know wine. I didn't. I didn't say all that

(21:54):
shout out to the van and that I don't. I
don't think we're related, but I do. I do, definitely.
You know, I've been I've been a fan of you
guys for years. I don't. I think Charlotte Mayne. Most
of that what I said earlier was for Charlotte Mayne
because because, like I said, he was trying to say that, um, well,
you you don't know jay Z's origin story. If you

(22:15):
don't know why this versus great And I've been listening
to JA for years. Like, my favorite jay Z album
isn't what most people would say. My favorite jay Z
album is American Gangster. That's a good. That that that's
a good People won't even say that. Most people. This
is another discussion. Most people don't give post retirement jay
Z the same love that pre retirement jay Z gets

(22:37):
if you've noticed that Eric Gangster Caingdom Come four four
four Blueprint three don't get mentioned in conversations like the
Black Album Blueprint and Reasonable Doubt. I want to jump
in here real quick, Boles, Well, I don't want this
to become a whole jay Z God did on jay
Z Verse. I want to get a little bit more

(22:59):
into of the Year that we're talking about, right so
that I'm sorry, it's it's all goody black. That man
was passionate, damn it. You gotta make space passion has
it becoming a jay Z show? I know L and
I were speaking about how we think there's another Ja
that should be in this conversation from version of the Year,
and we're gonna get into that. But um but mouth,

(23:21):
I just wanted to share out with you, right question back.
I just looked like this, But I actually know what
I'm talking about. I believe now. I actually like the
way the block set that up. So take a beat
and then and then that way a king can cut
it in like right behind what we were saying and
just say like Okay, I hear you guys talking, but
there's another jay that already. Ye yep, I just had

(23:48):
to see for myself. All right, So before this turns
into the jay Z Show, I think there's another j
that we guys that we have to acknowledge this year
even honestly, maybe like the past three years for best features,
and I'd say the best five years, honestly, best five
and this is if we go back five years and
we go back four years. Yeah, there there was a

(24:11):
very big discrepancy between me and who you're talking about.
But yes, I think feature wise, I think it started
we're talking about Jay Cole. Yes, for me, it started
that that Ko D run. I think it's it's widely
known that I didn't like the Ko D album. But
at that same time, towards the end of that year,
he went on that feature run. Yes, he did a lot,

(24:35):
and then it took off. It took off, and I
was like, don't forget about Bob Boat Like he went crazy.
He went crazy on features for like from then to
to this day. So yeah, I didn't and I think
before then, before that run, I think my favorite feature
from Cole, I would say it's probably that that Joe's

(25:00):
He's back freestyle with with Drake all the freestyles are
crazy nuts. All his freestyles are crazy. He really needs
to do it. And I think that was my issue
back then, was he wasn't. I felt like he wasn't
bringing that same energy to the records. But then he
gave us that that. I like the conceptual albums, so
I like KLD, I like UM for Your Eyes Only,

(25:23):
for Your Eyes Only one of my favorites, I think.
So I was a fan of For Your Eyes Only
because I felt like it was specifically for fans of
Jake Cole, if that makes sense. So I felt like
when I listened to it, I was like, Oh, this
isn't for me, this isn't for the casual Jake Cole fan,
Like four Ye Eyes Only as four if you're a
fan of this, you'll if you're a fan of me,

(25:44):
you'll love this project. And I like, I I'm not
gonna say I enjoyed the project. I liked what it
represented UM. But then when he came out the boy Boy.
But that's why I'm saying, so, how what you're saying
about you had to be a fan of j I
mean of Jacole to like, I feel like it's the

(26:07):
same with this. Hope did verse you gotta like really
know and definitely Ja. I've been listening to jay Z
my entire life. My dad played driving me to preschool
to high school to you know what I mean too,
I had no choice but to listen to jay Z
and I still don't. You know. I live in New
York City, but not that I don't naturally like not.

(26:35):
He's not what J. Cole is to me. It's what
I'm saying. So I think that, um, it's a great verse,
but it doesn't move me out how a J. Coole
versus does, like what he did with Bia, like even
Hole went over like the regular thirty two bars, the
same way Jacole has been doing for the past like
three or five years. Listen, don't get me started trying

(26:59):
trying to make it to a jay Z show. I'm
just saying, we're talking about Johnny kes Caddy on Benny
the Butcher track specifically that you think, so let me
ask you. I'll set it up so Chris, now, let
let me ask you. Everybody in the hip hop space
have been talking about Obviously God did that is clearly

(27:24):
on everyone's heart and minds when discussing so far versity year,
but also they've been talking about coals John P. Caddy's verse,
let me ask the both of you, who are you
going with right now? If you had to choose right now,
God did holds verse against Cole's John P. Caddy's verse,

(27:46):
Who are you going with? Chris your guests, I want
to hear what you have to say. Well, me and
Nala talked about this briefly. I made a meme about this.
Of course, I don't know if you saw it. Mouse.
By the way, hip hop Junkie posted you um their
page as well, I sent you to clip a damned
you the clip, so definitely check that out. I love

(28:06):
I love it. I love that guy. But um, first,
I just want to say that we need to look
at what this debate represents. We're talking about the mentor
and the mentee. We're talking about the person that that
you know signed j Cole versus like like Ja Cole
was the guy who who who signed to jay Z
both for so long was like under appreciated, and now

(28:30):
he's mentioned in those Goat conversations. So I just want
to make sure we highlight the significance of this comparison. So, Jake,
I'm riding with cold because I like that type of rap.
I like the I'm the best rapper and I can
show you why I'm the best rapper versus the self
reflection because jay Z gave a self reflection and whether

(28:52):
it was intentional or unintentional, he ended up stealing the show.
So it's like jay Z is more lines along the
lines of I can show you why I'm the best
rapper without even saying it. Jake Cole, on the other hand,
wanted to say it and show you with because, like
Nala said, that's just the type of hip hop. I like,
like when Kendrick said smoking on Top five tonight. I

(29:16):
love that we don't get to see this often. J
Cole and j jay Z both gave us something that
we don't see in this era because we're no longer
in the three verse era. We're no longer in the
I'm Gonna kill you on your own song era of
hip hop. They're not this This generation isn't in it
for that like they were for me. I'm riding with
Cole for the for the bars, for um, his delivery,

(29:39):
his energy, and you know it's even funny. Benny the
Butcher is more jay Z. Jake Cole is more Kanye
So it's just interesting to see the the guy who
got into the game via criminality versus the guy the
guy who got into the game, you know, going to
school and and then making that transition into hip hop.

(30:04):
So we're looking at two different if you want to
go deeper, we're also looking at two different black male
perspectives in America. So I just I just want to say,
like this this uh set up that we're doing, this
um comparison that we're doing, I feel like that's what
this really represents. Like this is Ja Cole and jay Z.
The guy who signed you know, J Cole is it's

(30:29):
competing with him, and and the guy that jay Z
sign is competing with him also in a way that
Kanye West never did. Kanye never competed with j on
this level. I'm just talking about on just on some
who has the best verse type type of time people.
I think people will push back on Watch the Throne,
that is what they will push back on. If I'm

(30:50):
representing the Devil's advocate, I would have I don't think
Kanye has ever been on jay Z's level lyrically or
quote unquote verse I'll say right, because it like lyrically,
I would be speaking by someone who writes their lyrics.
But like diverse, I think people the most I've heard
is people like people have said flat out said like
oh Kanye out did Jon wash the Throne, which is

(31:12):
a lot, but you know, people opinions. I think that's debatable.
There was Gonna, I will say, out did them on
um roum this Town. That's another discussion. He definitely stole
the show on that. But and big table full of dude,
you at a table full of fellas what to beast

(31:35):
things and I'm beasting off the recenting. Hey my nigga
just made it out the precinct be give a damn
about the drama that you do bring. I'm just trying
to change the color on your move rain read. But
but I don't even know if he wrote that. I
heard Big Sean might have wrote that. Well, I mean,
we know in hindsight, in hindsight at the time we
was unaware. But in hindsight, Big Sean might have wrote that.

(31:57):
But um, I'm right on with Colde just off of
the similes and the metaphors and the world play, because
that's the stuff I like, and I like that competitive energy. Yeah,
I really like how he painted a picture off the
end like Mars was flying, Sparks was flying the real

(32:18):
ones here. Yeah. Yes, the way he painted the picture
was really like like on Thessida that's almost was like
and then even the bar that's like, um. He pretty
much says like he's sired of the drug bars. That
Charla Lion like, what is for? What is not talking?

(32:40):
You're not talking about No, he's saying no when he's
saying drug when he's saying drug bars. Now, I think
that's the double entendre. And I've always felt like that.
I felt it's a double entendre. I think he's saying
like the drug bars in regards to like the songs,
like the way the songs are always using about about
like that's the drug use. But also yeah like kod

(33:02):
but also the double left contra is if you look,
if you talk about the double encantras, if you look
at like if you look at these pills, then they
called they call balls you look at like the Zennis
and all that ship they like balls. So he said,
I'm tired of the drug balls y'all using. So it
felt like to me, it felt like it was a
double ententra. I think my favorite, my favorite line when
he said, niggas want me on the song, He's gonna
have to see the wrath of the Reaper. I'm probably

(33:23):
going to hell of Jesus asked for a feature, I
said nah, I said nah, boys, And that's later on
in the verse. You know what I'm saying. Like that,
that was that reminded me a little too much of
Nas though, the whole snuffing Jesus. That just I don't know,
it took me back to that bar two, didn't red Yeah,

(33:45):
the last lasting my sneakers. That was very nausea yes,
in a way that Nas would So we mean, we
kind of talked about it on on Brand Idiot's about
like filler. Nas always had like a clever way of
throwing filler in there, And that's what it would be.
It would be like it would be like a bunch
of iteration and a bunch of rhymen. But when you

(34:07):
break it down, it's nothing but it's to set up
to get to the next line. Right, So if I'm
looking at this and he's the last of them Ohicans,
no weaklyns, last of my sneakers. But he really wanted
to get about asking Jesus for a feature. I'm not
mad at it. I'm not mad at either. It's just,
you know, but I think that's the good thing about

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artists like Whole, artists like J. Cole, artists like Kendrick Drake.
I'm always gonna throw them in there while like they're
an old back to the rat that we love, that
we love from the late nineties, right where you can
compare them to You can say Cole is like a nad.
You could say, um, Kendrick, I don't, I don't know

(34:50):
who they're saying, is like whole, But you can say
Kendrick is like with Drake. I as you know, because
I've seen you talk about this. We've seen Drake emulate
a out of a lot from jay Z, Like I
believe that jay Z is the reason why Drake is
so good at throwing subliminals. I agree, I agree everybody

(35:10):
on God. But you gotta remember that that goes back
to J two because Jay used to I hate to
say a mouse, but your boy was definitely riding waves
during the height of his career. Everybody, so you know,
bad everybody, he said, Yeah, I'm just I'm just saying J.
Drake took what Jay did and put steroids on it,

(35:32):
he put which is why it doesn't hit, as why
I can't even say it doesn't hit the same because
it does hit. But I feel like Jays were like
real genuine collapse. Well as far as the drug bar
that drug bars line. I was just bringing that back
up because I wanted to show that we're talking about
two different type of rappers, Like I don't look at

(35:53):
jay Z as a backpack rapper I look at but
I do look at Cold that way. So I just
want to point that out, like we're about two different
types of of content because Jay is coming from like
I said, he's coming from a different perspective than than
Jay Cole. So I just want to and just in
in the conversation that we're comparing these two, I just

(36:13):
think we also should just highlight how how different there
are they are as far as origin and how that
plays a major role in the stuff they talk about
and then the stuff they don't talk about, because I
remember lying J Cole was like, um in an old song,
he was like, that's why I don't respect that lion
ass white ship. You talking who I know cold playing

(36:35):
the funerals you might end up in a coffin or
something like that, like, and I think he was just
talking about how a lot of these rappers will sell
you the idea that they're this big drug deal and
not saying he's talking about j but a lot of
rappers will sell you the idea of the drug dealing kingpin.
But I've never actually lived that lifestyle. And I feel
like cold was coming out of light. Well I didn't
do that stuff, but I'm much realer than everyone, hope,

(36:58):
everyone who's claiming to have done it and that's never
done it before. Yeah, he even speaks on that in
this verse where he says, what the fun he said?
What he saying? He said, Oh, I got this nerves?
He said, got the nerves thinking that you that is nine.
That just means I ain't as comfortable and lying like that.
So yeah, I can see that. I can see. Like
I said, I'm a huge fan of his verse. I

(37:18):
do think it goes up there. I think at the
end of the year we will be when we revisit
this conversation. I do think we'll be talking about this
verse specifically as a top contender, if not number two
or three for versity year. But Jay's not lying out.
J J isn't lying in any of his verses or
that falling up and gave us another one with London,

(37:45):
which I thought was very random. Honest, which one London
be a record? He killed that too, but it wasn't.
I don't know. For some reason, the energy off Johnny
Peace Caddy. That's because he had somebody to bounce off off.
You didn't have anybody bounce off of. Yeah, like, yeah,
I've offended, Like that's the flow is the flow switched

(38:05):
on the London record would be it was nuts and
how he ended the record was actually nuts. Let me
pull up the lyrics, sorry, and then we can move
on back to jay Z Like I know you all
want to, but um, why would I choose between this
one or that one that I can have both? I
laugh at these rabbits for Captin. I guess t Ip
ain't the only one out here with jokes. Man, don't
want to smoke. No, that's not hard, he said, t Ip,

(38:29):
and the only one out here with jokes. That's crazy.
It was very clever. He's so clever man. I think, um, nah,
go Gray Year. But really his run with these features
that just showed that he's different, so it might not
be loving these albums. So if somebody hit fast forward
to December thirty one and we're sitting here talking about
best verse of the year, you're confident that this would

(38:52):
be your choice. Um, go ahead, what do you? I think?
Definitely the Bunnie record. Yeah, a London rafter, I'm gonna
I'm going I'm going with Cold. But a lot of
this has to do with preference, because I'm gonna prefer
that type of energy brought to a record than Jay's type.
And not that I don't like Jay's energy and what

(39:14):
he's talking about and what it represents. But it's just
like when Wayne said feed me rappers and feed me beats.
That hit me a whole lot harder than what any
of the other rappers said on We Taken Over, you know.
So I'm always gonna like gravitate towards the person that's
trying to show you all why he can compete. We

(39:35):
haven't seen. To me, we haven't seen j Cole wrapped
this hard since looking for Trouble his verse. I don't
know if y'all remember that, but he hasn't. He hasn't
stolen the show for me like this since when Kanye
was dropping out those good Fridays. M hmm, I don't.
I don't know if you remember that we remember now

(39:57):
that you agree with that that Cole hasn't sto on
in the show like this two and ten. Uh No,
I already told you definitely for me, it was with
the twenty one Savage a Lot record that wasn't no.
But he didn't kill twenty one now he killed, he killed,
he killed, and that's not saying any slight. The twenty

(40:18):
one seven have been killing features too, but like twenty
one with the Drake record that dropped this year nuts
nuts feature, but the only good on a Lot was ridiculous,
Like I literally got a DJ flip Rogers go straight
to Co's verse because no, I mean, yeah, I'm not
saying that's a bad make millions other names make memes.

(40:41):
I don't want to at me. But he said, I
don't want no more comparison. This is a marathon, and
I'm aware I've been playing the back from a lack
of promotion. I never was one for the bragging of
bou And then at the end of it, he says
like he pretty much says like yo, I've been playing

(41:03):
it back, you know, trying to put out ship with
a good message. But John Niggas is sleeping on me.
And I understand my position. I understand that this is
a marathon. Obviously he comes from the jay Z tree,
so he said that he's taking his time, but he's
gonna show us that he is the best of his
era before this ship ends. And that and since then
he has been doing that. That's all I say. I

(41:25):
wholeheartedly agree, but I just I'm talking about hunger. I
heard hunger on Johnny Peace Caddy. I heard hunger or
look for trouble. I just don't feel like he was
as hungry on a lot with twenty one savage and
sent you. You threw a verse out there. I'm gonna
just say, this cold world, make way for the chosen one.

(41:48):
What you now here is putting fear inside the older ones.
Downplay me, to down gray me, like they don't notice him.
Your shoes too big for your shoes, too big to
feel I can barely squeeze my toes in them. Like
like this is the rat most scratch that Marry and
Joseph's son, Like like that's what I'm talking about, that energy.
I just didn't hear on a lot and not say
that you didn't kill it, But that's the type of

(42:09):
energy I'm talking about. We say things like never, but
I'm the closest one. I feel like I hear you.
But I felt like that was like that was We're
never gonna get that type of energy from any of
those names. No, no, no, that yo, even like I'm

(42:31):
just I'm just I'm just saying, but that that was
a dope time. That was like the last era of lyricism,
and that that that verse age age as well. Now
because we're comparing Jay jay Z to j Cole and
what are you saying the song um never saying I'm
better than Hove, but I'm the closest one. And look
at us in having this discussion. Yeah, I mean, I

(42:55):
mean you can have your little verse. You're now listening
to the one if our questions legend and listen. Will
be right back after the break. What are some other
versions of the year candidates? Hold on, hold on, hold
on d block, don't do that. We we we were

(43:18):
just breaking down dissect and cold version. Hold on d block?
What we hold dad? What first? The voice should have
already known he was getting me back to get crazy.
He was about to get crazy. The production set hold up.
Let's talk about this for a minute, because whoever engineered

(43:38):
this record, who haven't mixed in and really produced this,
kudos to them because that whole suck the air out.
H dude, that set hold up to go crazy. Plead Lord,
forgive me for what the stove did. Nobody touched a
billy until hold dad. How many bills is come from

(44:01):
the crib? From old crib? How many? Three? Yeah? Read
bronze a rock boys, so four. Technically I left the
dope game with my record clean. I turned cocaine into champagne.
Let's talk about that for a minute. Let's talk about
that for a minute. What did I said earlier? I said,

(44:22):
you had to be paying attention to understand, to to
really like understand virtual tell you had to be paying attention.
You understood that line when dead presence, when he said
when de presence too, When he says you feel it,
he says, whatever this ushould call the story as long
as the villaine wins, as long as the villain winds
what I take the rest and fill it in. What's

(44:42):
he's saying? He's saying the bag he's been telling us
from day one, the bad guy's gonna win. The bad
guy is going to win. So when he's gonna rob
when he's on the clubhouse, I mean the Rob Markman
Twitter live joint. The other day he says, this verse
is the villain winning. The bad guy won, and he

(45:03):
didn't go to jail, he didn't die, He made more money.
He talked more about that. He came out the Dope
Game with his record claim. So when you hear that,
you gotta understand. Jay Z has been setting this up
from day one. Jay Z has been writing his own
movie with verses from day one. Every bad guy, every

(45:23):
movie where the drug deal is the big bad guy,
what happens they died, they go to jail, or they snitch.
You got you got American Gangster. I'm just talking about
the records. He's he's as he's he's, I'm talking about
the things he's mentioned in records. You got American Gangster.
You got Frank Lucas, more Frank Lucas and ludicrous like

(45:45):
Frank Lucas, dude. But I'm like, that's crazy. You know
what I'm saying. He's saying the bad guy one, I
had my morals intact and I still won more money.
And like we said on Britain, is like just to
hit there was you could tell the the the what's
the word I'm looking for the um The statue of

(46:08):
limitations is up on a lot of ship. We are
never the hole was talking two niggas on this record
you understand me, and and it was like this for me,
I'm hearing this and I'm like, this is the rap
I love. Sure, I'm you know, I'm a I'm a
I'm a cultural orator these days, and we speak on

(46:29):
the music that's out and you know, some in the
music that's out it it hits us in a different way.
But to grow up on this and to get this
when the nigga is fifty plus years old, he's almost
sixty's not almost six. He's a lot closer to sixty
than he is to have old j Coles Okay, yes,

(46:52):
and he's still rapping like this. This is an anomaly.
We've never seen this before. Rock Chim is two years
older than jay Z. Can rock him still wrapped? Yes?
Can rock him still spit some some ship off the
top of say yes, but not like this Big Daddy
two years definitely definitely killed. I was going harder hole

(47:14):
heartedly and said, jay Z killed agism in hip hop.
For a long time, there was a limit on how
great you could be the older you get. And I
feel like he's made it cool to be thirty plus,
forty plus, fifty plus and still wrapping. Listen, he said,

(47:34):
Mona Graham in my pocket off the red car. But
you see the face I made that night? Ship is
that shocking? Odd? Wasn't great? We'd even be alive? Gotta
be crazy to y'all. Niggers were surprised. Ship is too
much how we grew up. Ship don't even feel real
to us. That means this nigga's success, don't even really
he's been success at this point in his life. He's

(47:54):
been more successful than he was unsuccessful. And the ship
still don't feel real. Yeah. That and that's the self reflection.
And that's what jay Z does a lot, you know,
as of lately he if you notice, he's doing more
self self reflection when he wraps versus being braggadocious. You know,
when he starts talking about you know, all the things

(48:16):
that he seems like I said, seen it all, seen
it all is a is a great example of how
that verse and pound Cake and other verses is what
led to this verse right here. But I want to
go back to that line. Then we said fuck it
took the dope public. That line right there is one
of the lines that I just looked at on a
surface level perspective because it's it sounds when you listen

(48:39):
to it, it sounds plain as day. There's no deeper
meaning to it. I go on genius and I see
this actually more to that line than what he's what
he's actually saying. And that's the reason why I said
this verse. I would say it again. I take back
what I said. This versus actually great because jay Z
checked off more boxes with this verse. Then then I

(49:01):
love the dough. I said that to Charlotte Man I said,
I liked And I think what did that bar really represent?
Basically as far as um public When he said when
he said public, he was referring to the the it's

(49:21):
a public company. Monogram is owned by Tpco, which is
a public company on the market. So that's what I'm
trying to say. It's not just public like it's in
front of people, but it's actually public in regards to
what the term means. Within stocks and things like that.
He took the dope Listen, we could just leave on

(49:41):
this hold is a real nigga's dream. My only goal
is to make a real nigga boy. I want to
take my head off and throw it. I literally want
to take my head off, my shoulders and throw it.
I was listening to that on repeat on my way
to your party, you know the Wane I show up
to you and he was going, yeah, that one. I
want to tell my head off and punted into a

(50:02):
field goal. Like what the one thing I'll say? Mouse
and Chris and about this jay Z line. I think
you guys touched on us in the beginning, But it
feels like you're watching a Netflix show, season six, episode
one if you don't know his backstory. Yes, it's like

(50:23):
it's like you're jumping in on Peaky Blinders season six,
episode one. And because there's a lot of stuff of
him begging up, you know, his business partners, his businesses.
And unless you go to that genius link and start
clicking on these hyperlinks to break ship down, that that
entry point you have to, like you have to go

(50:43):
to the websites. You know what I'm saying to really
get where the double on change and triple on. Chad's
getting that to me as an entry level. That's why
I put I think Coles verse, it feels like he's
more in a cipher, you know, and just doing like
some groercial stuff. But he's more coming from U a
point of view of a cipher and just kind of

(51:04):
like saying how he feels about where Rappids said where whole?
You know, it's a dope. It's a dope. Verse walks
all through the homework on it. Uncle what up? And
right there that's who'd you call him? Nor starlo Man,

(51:29):
I'm coming No, charlom Man, I'm coming for you. I'm
coming for you, not on this time. Nothing alike. To
take a combination of mouse and yes, yeah, I can
see that we just got head. We just got head
in a bid. We just got me and me and
mouse looks nothing alike. And I'm aware of whose origin

(51:53):
story I'm not. I'm not as Oblivia as you as
you as you thought I was. And and I recanted
my statement and you'll see it later, hopefully when this
comes out. So I would love to have another conversation
with you about this. I'll just say I say all
that to say this, you were right, Thank you, Chris,

(52:14):
appreciate that. Whatever, get out of here. No, but hold on,
Charlotte going he going tell him, tell him that spoder
Man No Way Home is still the greatest Marvel movie
of all time. Well that's not Let's let's keep everyone alive.

(52:35):
Um uh so we know, uh, I mean, we can
circle back in the end of show, but we all
I just want to say the names. I was totally
aware of who Emory was O G One TII, like
like you're you're right, Darren. As far as him mentioning
his business partners, you had to listen to previous songs

(52:56):
or at least No Jay's backstory to know who he's
talking about when he is mentioning these names, and not
even in just this song, because he's mentioned the names
and other other songs. Like my first time hearing about
Emory was in Ballid for a Phone Soldier, So it's
like I've been talking about Emory since, uh talk about
emer sce goddamn yeah, and that was Yeah. I'm just
I'm just saying yeah, right right, I'm just saying I'm

(53:18):
just saying for me, like like I remember how far back.
He's been mentioning these people, and it's not just them.
He's name dropped a lot, whether it's Behaven, Calvin Klein,
like his his nephew that passed away, colleague. Like I said,
when he when he mentions these people, there's you do.
There has to be a level of clarity that you
have to know how great the verses or at least

(53:40):
how significant it is. So to your point, Darren, yes,
you are correct, all right, So so we can answer
today's question. Where are some other honorable versus you guys
heard this year that should be mentioned. One of my
favorites of the year, Chance to rap his hising loads
with joe Badass, Like I like, I like the whole
verse from Chance. Um. I liked everything about that record.

(54:03):
I like the way that they you know, premiered it
on the BET Awards, with the you know, with the
words coming across the screen in real time during the performance. UM.
I like the video, like the attention to detail. I
loved having Joey Badass on the record. Chance opens the
he opens the verse he says, I'm an emotional roller
coaster with high, so high could put boy boy on
a poster and liked the verse a chance, chance without

(54:29):
a doubt, A chance without a doubt. I got I
gotta check it out. I've been I'm gonna be honest,
I've been sleeping on chance. What about you got any
other honorable mentions? Well, I don't know if y'all saw
a sent it to Darren Mickey Facts posted what he
thought was Versus of the Year. Let's backing off of
your Chance And Joey. I definitely like Joey's new album. Yeah,

(54:53):
this is because after what was that two years ago
when he dropped that red tape. Yes, I didn't not
like that tape, so I was kind of like, no
real expectations off of it. But this album did good.
Sam with Kali, Kali's last project Wasn't in Love with
But you like this one? I see the growth. He

(55:13):
liked this one. That was the album all like All
Star Games, the All Star Games, everybody shows up, no
one really gives a funk what happened. There might be
like one spectacular dunk's just seeing all the celebs, but
it's just like, oh yeah, it's like it doesn't really
matter in the in the in the grand scheme of things. Um,

(55:34):
and I don't think this album was any different, although
obviously we got God did and that was Like I said,
that was a spectacular dunk from like the free throw
line rather than that. Can you tell me anything else
that happened on that Callet album? No, Uh, the Jada
Kiss interlude was dope. But I think the fact that
jay Z stole this show on the entire album says

(55:56):
a lot more about the Drake and Little Baby record
because I was a check record is forgotten. No one
even talks about that song anymore. But it wasn't good
when it came out, Yes, Like I just I'm just saying.
I think that says a lot more about the fact
that that song failed in comparison because we're talking about
drinking Little Baby, who are are the hottest sound right now?

(56:18):
Nobody's talking about them speaking of If y'all niggas disrespect
my men, Dominique, I'm gonna be tight little fucking baby
his verse on in a minute. If niggas a sleeping
on that that. I don't know what y'all want from rap.
If y'all don't, if y'all don't want niggas, look, I'll

(56:39):
be in the loop. She be in the group Brodie
wanted friend throw Ali turned onto nothing, but I'm the
livingroo yo. My boy floated, Little Baby created the pocket
and then broke it like he bodied that ship like
super like I'm a I'm a Little Baby fan, but
I was probably what the fuck like? And he's doing

(57:01):
that to his credit, he's doing what a lot of
old niggas couldn't figure out how to do, make songs
that work in the club. But stick to your lyrical
like your lyrical integrity, right, like sure, say whatever you
want about like you know his delivery. You know you
can't understand what he's saying when he speaks, when he's rapping,

(57:23):
you know exactly what the fuss he's saying. He's saying
some ship, he's going nuts. He's going nuts, little Baby.
If we're not talking about in a minute at the
end of the year as one of the verst of
the year and then niggas niggas sleep it, honestly, but
I'm definitely excited that his album is dropped in I'm
not Gonna lose when we to Who's Who. Each quarter

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we've gotten some really good rap albums. Oh, this has
been a really good year for rap. Two might go
down as one of those years like this has been
a really really good year in rap. I don't know
if niggas already had the albums that they were working
on before the pandemic or did the pandemic league cards
and neg to get back on their ship, but it's
been a really good year for rap. Denzel Curry comes

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to mind twice with uh with what was the record?
I told you earlier. I think it was ellen Um
the els Um, but then also a reason with with
with with uh first quarter, like I just like, like,
let me tell the reason verse was was super dope

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for me, just because I mean, person, I've never heard
him rapped like that before, so you know, my my
apologies if he always rapped like that, but just hearing
the way he was able to articulate and paint this
picture of like, you know, mass incarceration and the you know.
Shout out to him and Curry for being able to
articulate that first quarter, right because they're talking about a

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time in their life and they're like, I'll just call
it first quarter. That's to be in that moment. That's
the level of self reflection that a lot of young
people don't have. So shout out to reason and did
curry for that record for for our first quarter. But
Denzel Curb Projects still one of my favorite albums to
drop this year. Pushing downs of course, how could how

(59:15):
could you not? How could you not? Any I'm a
fan of anybody rapping to wrap and that boy didn't ship.
He kind of took over that album. It's kind of
like the highlight of the album for me. I was
I mean, he has some dog Lindes in there, but
it wasn't. I don't think he said anything on the
level of of what to the level of lyricism that

(59:39):
that Cold gave a song on. Johnny Peace Caddy agree.
I think it was a moment though. Yeah, I think
it was a moment. I think because we hadn't heard so.
I've said multiple times in public and private, Drake should
take a break. Drake needs to go three years, don't
drop nothing, I think for for four goal. However I
feel about him personally, he is a once in a

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generation talent and because he's been so consistent that even
when he flops, ship goes crazy staying alive, people are
forgetting his greatness. Drake needs to go away for three years.
I agree with that. But like get into acting or something,

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get back into acting, like imagine Drake. I think Drake
can still kill it. I think he proved that in
the Way to Sexy video that really was good. All right, Yeah,
so I think, you know, give three years to something
else when Drake comes back in three years. Everybody might
have to pack up. If Drake left and came back

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in three years, everyone from arm By to hip hop
to pop would have to pack their bags. Stuelpo would
have to get the funk out to paint um little
Baby future. They would have to get out to paint
in three If Drake left and just had three years
to fucking live life and do something else, and then

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came back and he was able to just focus on
making music, I gotta see it. Would like to hear it.
But all right, So in conclusion, we're given best featured
versus of the year so far too O God did

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Johnny Peace Caddy? Johnny Pease Caddy. You've been outvoted. You
can never be outvoted. I got God on my side
a mouse, So I just want to add to your
point about Drake. I think, um, what I've noticed about
him is he kind of stopped doing collaborations with people
that can actually compete with him lyrically. I think this

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is the first time he's done a song with someone
who can actually do that in a very, very very
long time. You think compete with Drake lyrically? You said,
what do you think Jack Harlow can compete with Drake lyrically?
I feel like he's more lyrical than the other rappers
Drake has been rapping with in the past. Dan near

(01:02:12):
a decade. He was just on the record with Rick Ross,
he was just on just on the record with Little
Way No. But those are those are frequent collaborations. I
would like to see him with the new He's only
he's under the newer generation of rappers that are more
so in the trap lane, on the drill lane. Yes,

(01:02:35):
thank you. I would like to see him with like
a Joinn of Lucas or with why because I like
I like it when two lyricists get on the track together.
Joyner Lucas is a lyricist. You don't think not lyrics
not lyricist, Like I wouldn't tag him my top lyricists. No,
he's not top. I'm not saying I'm just saying he's not.

(01:02:57):
He's not part of that. I would love to see
him with a jim It. I think sure, like Earth Gang.
I think I think old and Wild be on his
ads would be honest. But he doesn't do that. He
doesn't do those collaborations with people who can actually like
like have some type of lyrically lyrical ability, because I

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don't really know if it's about lyrics to Drinke, I
think he likes it's not. He likes to ride the
waves of sound. So it's like he'll do a drill
record and that's it. He'll do the down South Ship
with the City Girls, because like the Bar for Bar ship,
that's not really like moving the needle as far as
like sound exactly. But that's what I like. And but

(01:03:41):
but Drake, on the other hand, still comes from that.
And that's the reason why he had to acknowledge Raseelda
because I'm still waiting for this Drake and Benny song
to come out. It never happens. I want to hear
it's never happening, say that it's never happening. Drake's not
doing that, he's not giving it. Benny already said they
got to two joints together. They just haven't been released.

(01:04:04):
It's never coming out. That's what I'm telling you. Don't
hold your bretht that's the records never dropped. But what
did't you? Why didn't you rather see that versus him
doing a song with Uh. You wouldn't want to see
him on a song with another another, you know, not
not Benny. I don't think that song is gonna be one.
I think it's a The song is not gonna get

(01:04:26):
the notoriety should um No, I just I don't. I don't.
I just don't. There's just like a such thing as
like I think people are so used to like just
everybody collaborating sometimes you don't really take into account like
maybe these two people aren't a good fit. And I've
never heard anything from Drake and I've never heard anything
from Benny that would say put Drake and Benny together.

(01:04:47):
I think the closest you get to that is Benny
and Cole. That's what I'm That's what I'm saying. Drake
has has has rapped with rappers that don't necessarily talk
about the things he's he talks about, though he's done
that before. Yeah, I agree, I just don't think Benny
is I would much rather here drinking west Side didn't
before I hear drinking man, what's side? Man? He gets

(01:05:09):
on my nerves. Alright, guys, well Benny, Benny and Conway.
I feel like they're the more lyrical, lyrical ones in Griselda,
What's Side? I feel like this is a whole another
oh my podcast topic bringing home this is why you're
good at what you do. So, Chris, thank you so

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much for stopping by and enjoining us for a discussion.
Shout out to Graham where everybody can follow you if
you have a person guy. Thank you guys for having me.
Means a lot. Like I said, Mouse, I've been watching
you since the Great Van TV. Shout out to my
home my yeah, yeah, Shout out to my home girl Andrea.
She put me onto that show when I've been following

(01:05:51):
you since. Nala, I've been watching me on Power one
on five sent you interview my guy, Chris Scala from
out here from Virginia. So um I named Chris milesk
critics of culture. That's critics underscore of underscore culture. Um
Can I ask one last question to your mouse and
of course area bro Davey sent Drake a record would

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you like to see them? Too together. I don't want
to hear Davies at all. I would I would actually
pay money to not hear Davies. Yeah, I would. I would. Yeah,
I would pay money. Like, I would pay good money
to like if you told me a price that if
there was a price that would say hey, you never

(01:06:32):
will wrap again, I will pay it whatever. And I
figured you would have a New York bias, But I
guess not, well I do for an artists that's from
New York. Is that a shot? Just you said there
would be a New York bias, I have a New
York bias for artists from New York. All right, guys,
as always, thank you so much for tuning in and listening. Um,
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