What Are The Classic Female Hip Hop Albums? feat. Rob Markman

Journalist/artist Rob Markman joins Nyla and Mouse to explore if ‘Miseducation of Lauryn Hill’ is the only classic hip hop album by a female artist.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, guys to Welcome to the What hip Hop
Questions Legends and list. I am Nils and I'm the
man to put the Jackson juxtaposition. I am Mouse Jones. Man.
You keep doing that, it's throw off, throwing up. I
don't really like that. Yes you are. You just like

(00:22):
to be the man the Juxton juxtapositions. But you have
to like that's why any who? Any who? Any who?
Uh god, we see when you do do that though,
we don't get through the intro smo. Yeah, when you
do do that, like when you's so childish? All right,

(00:43):
So today today, guys, we have a topic that I'm
super excited about. I hit the group chat. I'm like, yo, fellas,
we need to address this. And what I had post
was like, Yo, how come women rap albums aren't ever
considered classics? And calm stay just besides the Miseducation of
Laurens So deep Block is like, well, is the Miseducation

(01:06):
of Lauren Hill the only classic album from the only
classic rap album from a female. Now I was like, well,
I already had my answer. I feel like the answer
is obvious answer. No, it's not the only one. Don't
make me pull out the tomatoes early. Let's introduce the
guests before you say something ignorant to miss ahead. I

(01:28):
let you do that, like I took that breath right, yeah, man,
the pregnant pause. Man, it is such an intergrable part
to my career. He doesn't you don't know what's coming
out ship. I might be ready to agree with you,
but I can't tell. I can tell about your eyes.
And I wasn't feeling alright, but yes, joining us is

(01:49):
a legend, a friend to the room, a mentor to
the room. Uh in many fastest, many ways. Who inspires
us in our journalists before before we met him, before
after we met him. Uh, someone who answers our calls
to even tell us know. And I also definitely stole
my mixtape idea like format from from our guests. I

(02:12):
definitely stole to work. I tell him that I've told
him this is the day I met in path Mark.
I don't know if you have path Mark or like whatever.
In patath Market, path Mark was used to be No.
I found one this one in Brooklyn, so I start shot. Yeah,
so I thought along Island they all closed, so um,
path Mark was the supermarket and then it right pretty

(02:34):
much in every supermarket, the magazines are right where you
check out. So when my mom was checking stuff out,
I knew she wasn't gonna buy me these magazines, so
I would just steal them. So I would just like
take them, talk them, take them talking. I would open
up from route. We don't encourage this, by the way,
it doesn't happen anymore. So dying it's a dying dead platform.

(02:55):
So nonetheless, those who don't know who we are talking about,
lady and back fixed, we got Rob Markman in the
building without finally made it him. I'm so glad it
only took three seasons. I got a little noticed this time.
So it was more than like the days. Listen, I
told you, I said, as soon as they stand at cha,

(03:17):
I said, let me hit him now. It's it's next Tuesday,
it's last two. Let me hit him now. You know,
you know it's all love we had who we had.
She kept saying, you know, they booked me for this
literally within twenty four hours. You just kept telling people
like it wasn't lay it really was. But nonetheless, yeah,

(03:40):
we appreciated having her. She was amazing. But Rob, we're
really excited to have you on this, especially because you know,
current current culture really doesn't take albums too seriously. We're
in a single driven culture. But I know, you know
the cloth that you come from and just however you
are and all the music you a hope. You know,

(04:04):
it might not be a good episode if I just
well or even get into I want you about you
know some of the some of the legendary things you've
been a part of why opinion holds so much weight,
not just with us, but just you know, I think
you're one year. I think you're one of the people,
right you, Charlotte Mane, Sway, big boy like who. Even

(04:27):
the young kids who weren't around for your hay or
the things where you solidified, they're still like, oh no,
I got it with Rob with what are some of
the things? What are some of the things you've been
a part of that like you look back at Well,
first of all, it's crazy to be a part of
that group that you just mentioned, because I look up

(04:47):
to all them brothers. Even one time I was speaking
with Sway and he was like, you know, because guys
like me and you, and I was like, there's no
me and you you, and then there's me you know
what I'm saying. So the be kind of regarding in
that um means a lot. But yeah, I've been blessed
to be just a part of this culture and contribute
and document um from early on um my day's freelancing

(05:12):
as a as a print journalist, UM to being that
Scratch Magazine and Double XL magazine and and really part
of the staff that really made those Freshman covers a thing,
like being there when when um while A was on
the Freshman cover, and and and B O B and
Cutty and you know, yeah, being there when when when

(05:33):
Nipsey Hustle, you know, and being part of the like
actually making those decisions of who should be on the cover.
Nipsey Hustle rest in pieces on the Freshman cover and
j Cole and j Cole was like eight hours late
and Jay Rock was there, but Kendrick was at the
shoot too, So that's the first time Jake Cole and
Kendrick meet, like, you know, just putting that together and
and and that was also a part of the Freshman
cover with Kendrick and macmill Arrest in peace, Meek Mill

(05:55):
um fred to God some rest in peace. Um So,
going from Double x CL and be able to document
on the print side, and then recognizing the digital shift
and going over the MTV. And I went over the
MTV just to be a digital just a writer online
and being exposed to all these things meet and swayed
me in a part of Rack Fixed Live, getting up
my production shops, block word up, shout out to Darren

(06:17):
Um you know, and and just really treating being able
to take my interviews from the written word to like
on screen, and being able to get getting the green
light to get creative with him, like you know what
I'm saying, Like taking um Gene, I go to the
grocery store and asked her how she came up with
the line the booty like groceries, but we're doing the

(06:39):
interview in the grocery store in the produced and stuff
like that, or or you know, going over the Genius
and and and taking twenty one Savage to a blacksmith
to to get the knife that he has tattoo made,
like we got it made in real life and we
did an interview. So you know, just doing these interviews
in the real creative way, being a platform people like
me and I look, yeah, you know, I used to

(06:59):
have a show a genius called for the record, and
you know it was important for me not to be
the only voice, um, to have other voices in there,
to have folks night Nihila, to have you know, folks
like yourself come through, just to be a guest, just
to get your ship off. Like you know what I'm saying.
Because I'm not always right, you know what I'm saying.
I know my opinion is respected, but you know, there's

(07:20):
no one person above the culture. So a lot of
things we need platforms like this where we could talk
it out, we could figure it out. Um. So yeah, yeah,
I've been blessed to be a part of that. On
the journalistic end, you know, I'm an executive, you know
what I'm saying. On that, there's a lot of behind
the scenes work that I do that people don't even
know that I'm involved of. Um, you know, make music too.

(07:42):
I write comic books like you know what I'm saying.
Just that, but then I can get my I definitely
hosted a couple of mixapes, something better than others. But
you know what I'm saying, Um, Yeah, So you know,
I've just been blessed to be able to contribute to
this coaching man for sure, because it's giving me everything,
you know what I mean, like this, this is a
life it is so that was a legendary. We might

(08:05):
have to clip that and put that somewhere flashlight. UM,
I honestly had no idea you were part of picking
those those freshman classes. Yeah. Well, and I don't know
how they do it now, but you know you used
to go to like a vote and you know, obviously
even Nessa Satins the enditor in chief when I was
there during those first couple, the first one that I

(08:25):
was there for, Datoine Thomas was the end in chief.
But you know, the upper echelon of the mass head
got the most say, but they would definitely hear us out.
And then there would be times when you it would
come to the timp spot and you would have to argue,
Like I remember arguing. Um, I remember one time we
had a versus. I wonder if you remember this. A

(08:47):
brother my name and Ansom Ansom Samuel um who who
was the music editor at the time, and and I
was like the junior music editor double XL. We was
doing the freshman cover. And I hope nobody feelings Garrett,
this is just what it was. Um. We had non
freshman pick Um. The tenth one, there was a tent

(09:09):
spot and it was between Kid Cutty and Tabby Bonnet.
If y'all remember Tabby Bone shots. I told Tabby this
story shouts to Tabby bone Um and Ansling was like, nah,
I think Tabby bone they got it, And I'm like, nah,
Kid Cutty and a kid name Cutty had just came out,
like it was still kind of bubbling um and Vaness

(09:31):
was like, I put us in the office and gave
us both for ox and it was like just ghost
song for song and right. So so it was like that.
And I know a lot of people talk about the
freshman cover and yo, they paid for this, they paid
for that and not when I was there, I've never

(09:52):
seen it, and I don't. I don't think it goes
on now, you know what I'm saying. But I could
say for a fact when I was there, I've never
seen it. You know, you just be it was a
lot different back then, right Like back then, there wasn't
at least you tell me, like at the beginning, there
wasn't publicist and PR teams you know, labeled reaching out
with the with the yeah, hell yeah, I think because

(10:15):
really really the first freshman cover was and I was
at Scratch Magazine at the time, right was like kind
of the genesis of it was Um applies Joel Ortiz
and Elliott was the editor in chief of that time
and Crooked and then I think when we came back
to do a year to Elliott wasn't there anymore. Day
Twine was the editor in chief at the time and

(10:35):
him and the Swan and Nestable running the magazine. I
don't think people knew that we were going to come
back and do it the second year, so they kind
of weren't expecting it. So again, we were able to
pick as a staff, and obviously the the leaders of
the magazine had the most say, but we were able
to throw names out and we allgued out. So we
made that freshman cover. After that one, that was the
one as rof b o b Wile after that one,

(10:56):
yeah it was it was yeah, yeah, it was definitely
pictures after that. I love that. Honestly. I feel like
that that part of the process should have been documented,
and I think if they documented now it would it
would bring more attention, not just attention like people support it,
more like I think people have that kind of feeling
like I said earlier, like I said when we talked

(11:17):
about like, man, this ain't really for us, you know,
like I felt like there was a time where, you know,
number one the magazine physically would come out, so if
I'm running to get that, that's for me. I get
to take that home. But now it's just like I
just feel like a thing that happened. It's like whatever
you start, you start to sinking, for granted, and so
they stopped doing it though, because no, right now, I

(11:39):
think nobody did the fresh Cut on people that out
care of the labels. I don't think that maybe they're
not doing anything to bring the people. I think I
think if they were to stop for somebody else would
take it. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, like because every everybody
wants that for their brand. Like I've been in meetings
at other companies like Yo Yo, what's our version of

(12:01):
the Freshman cover? Like since leaving double XL, Like you know,
for MTV. While I was there at MTV News for
a long time and inn and start with me, but
I was part of a group that carried on that legacy,
was the Hottes some seas every year and we would
do that in that Hottes some Seas list meant something. Um.
You know, when when I got to um Genius and
we created Verified, you know, the yellow background just became

(12:23):
a thing that you had to do. Everybody is looking
for that. So I've been blessed and and you know
it's no secret that or no coincidence that every place
that I've been, I've been a part of one of
those coaches shifting things, you know what I'm saying, not
not to say again, I was a part of the
group that was doing Freshman. I'm not taking credit for it, Um,

(12:47):
but you know I was very passionate about it, as
as was all the staff. I was part of a
group that was doing Hottes Some Seas. I didn't start it,
but we were passionate about it. And by the time
I got the Genius and being a co creator and Verified,
like it's no and Winston is having front row seats
to those things lead me the genius to be able
to help to create you know what they what they
got going on? You know what I mean? Rob? I

(13:09):
got a question for you. Rob. You've been involved obviously
with how does some season, as you mentioned and that
genius you create a lot of formats and content. Yeah, obviously,
you know, And I think part of that discussion, like
you know, when you have the Mountain rush More discussions
or a list discussion, part of our show is hip
hop legends and lists. Do you think if do you

(13:32):
think this is good or how do you how some
people critique out of boxing things and making list out
of everything, but if what is your thoughts on doing
that making list out of things discussion. I think it's fine.
I think it's engaging. I think it's necessary for conversation.
I think what we can't do in the media and

(13:52):
as constant creators is lose sight that we do box
ourselves in. Let's let you mention Mount Rushmore for example. Um,
you know, I think it was Spotify that that got
that thing viral and started about the Mount rushmore than
two thousand tens, right, So it was Drake, it was Kendrick,
it was Cole and it was like, all right, who's
the fourth spot l A for the h for the record,

(14:15):
I can see future and then Nikki what was the
other one? Right? And And really what I think is
I think we have to open up the conversation. I
just think you can't limit it to four, like, how
do you leave those people on? You know what I'm saying.
So so I think we can still have these lists,
but we got to talk about things as they are.

(14:36):
I don't know how you have a mount Rushmore without
future on there. And at the same time, look at
the amount. I'm pretty sure somebody feel the same way
about the actual amount Rushmore. That's the point amount rush right,
all right? You give people for you know what it's
like when um, you know it pisses me off. It
like pisses me of, like in dating and real If

(14:56):
you if I ask you on a on a scale
of one to ten, if a scale one to five,
what's this? If I asked you on scale of one
to ten and you say fifteen, I'm not gonna talk
to you anymore. I don't want to talk to you.
I got that because I said scale of one to ten.
If you say fifteen, you just like, then you nullify
the validity of what I'm trying. Then I think, and
I hear what you're saying. Then I think we're hip hop.

(15:18):
We need different scales because because the scale, the growth
of our culture, the importance of this music. Um, where
we are now in terms of the biggest genre, even
though we've been the biggest genre for a long time.
Is just the measurements now kind of add up to it.
I just don't know how you go four easy? Did

(15:39):
you say there's four people, there's four no matter where
you kind of it's four. Then then you got to
give me the starting five. I don't want to have
them out. I think I think we could do different scales.
It could be like uh bars lyricist shittag like. You
could do it like that. That way everybody gets there, okay,

(15:59):
and and not everybody could get in. You give everybody flowers,
not not not not not everyone can't get into that
certain conversation. But but but again specifically talking about the
Mount Rushmore, how do you have that conversation and leave
future out in this era? And then if you include future,
then you leave Nikki out. Look at the amount of

(16:21):
but look well, look at look at the amount of
women m sees out. Now that's due to doesn't mean
you're the she. She wasn't the first. What I'm saying
is is it started a wave. You were the first
to do what she what she did unprecedent, no one
did it before. Was the only one doing what she
was doing at the top for a long time, the

(16:43):
unprecedent that long, and and then and then but it
sets a wave. It really sets us up to where
we are now. So we're talking about influence, you know
what I'm saying. Like then the then the conversation can't
be amount rushingmore conversation because amount wus more conversations on
the form, and let's have the conversation. We can have them.
Mount Rushmore comm said, you know why, because there's a
Mount Rushmore. But then there's also like the George Washington

(17:05):
statue here, then there's the Lincoln Memorial here, and then
like there's a bunch of things that gives everybody their
critique in their credit. Over here. No one is saying
you tear let down. Look, and I don't even know
who's gonna like the real Mount works. I just know
George Washington, that's all I know. I think Thomas Jefferson.
If you who's on the real Mount, were to do

(17:26):
the starting five, that's that's fair. If we were to
do that, that would change a lot too, because in
hip hop slash rap, it's like you got the starting
five that's hot right now? But then you got like
the retired players with well, that's what you're said, right,
if you give me a start, if I give you
my start in five, I'm gonna tell you who's it
right now? If you just like in basketball, that's Mount

(17:48):
Rushmore isn't starting five. That's like two different and that.
But but they but they put it in their um
they give you a caveat. They said the Mount Rushmore
of the two thousand and ten start starting five, right,
So you just have to put the car. But let
but let let's also be honest. And we're all in the
the media, right And I'm not saying yeah, I'm talking

(18:09):
about as a whole. Um media also does this to
intentionally piss people off, because that's how you get clicks,
you know what I'm saying, Like, it's just so we
have to be real about our intentions of doing it. Also.
Are we trying to have a real, definitive, constructive conversation
that leads us to an answer that that feels right,

(18:32):
or we trying to shake it up and shake the
table a little a little bit. You know, even like
on on social media, you see all the time like
the one got to go post, you know, they'll be
like nas nas jay Z little way and and go on,
but but but but I love it. It It puts it.

(18:52):
Here's my answer though, and especially being a hip hop
where it's so like we aspire to gain social client status.
I live a life for access. Why does one gotta go?
I ain't getting rid of nothing, give me all fu. Yeah,
that's how that's that's how. That's how political people get away.
It's not political people that political exactly get away, but
it's not imagine hip hop with without like that. I

(19:15):
have to choose between Nasa jay Z. No. The first
of all, they don't never say the whole person. Maybe
they do. I don't see that. I see like albums
I've seen it with. I'm fine, you know who I'm
gonna say, gotta go? Yeah, that's what I'm what I'm
saying is though, So so if I'm being political, right,
let's just say, okay, I'm being politically correct. I'm speaking
from my whole heart. But let's say I'm okay, I'm

(19:37):
being politically correct. Then the person who made that post
the media also has to be honest about why they
created that post. It wasn't to spur a conversation and
it was to start. Shut up. It was to get
and then to get clicks and engagement, to get your page,
get your page going. Let's go, because then I'm a
question like if you wanna put me on the hot seat?

(19:58):
Who the funk is behind on that that account that
did the one guy to go nine times? Nine intent times?
It was some white guy who don't who could take
or leave our ship anyway, Let's be real, Let's be real.
We're gonna talk about it. And even if it's not
even a white guy, it could be a black person
who's not who's just not, who's not involved, won't have

(20:21):
the same emotional investment, but get him out. So let's
talk about it because you you could then talk that pose,
that question from an anonymous state. All right, but let's
say somebody like one of us put it up right,
I still gotta have the conversation. Take it serious, and
I listen. I get it. I get what you're saying.
My thing is my thing, since you know, I've got

(20:41):
my feet solidifying this. Never run from the conversation. Sure
we could have. We could talk about where the conversation
start with. Let's answer the question, answering the question or people,
somebody gotta go Mount Rushmore. What is it's starting? Five?
What is it? Don't give me six, don't give me full.
I don't the plot, people, because it's completely off topic

(21:03):
of what we're talking about today. But I guess we
can transition from your point of m they'd be doing
things just to piss you off, like clickbait where doything
So something that I did want to talk about in
regards to like women in um rap and hip hop
is like the new batch of artists that we have,

(21:23):
you know, women artists, artists in general, artists in general.
But it seems like nowadays to be a great artist
you have to do clickbaity things to get going. Um So,
I don't think that's fair. Ye hear y'all say that
a lot. I don't think that's fair. It's not fair.
I don't think it's truly okay. It's the way it's positioned,

(21:46):
right as if there is another way. The entire game
is social media. So whatever you're killing center and clickbait there,
what's the other option? Printing up CDs and going to
a shelf by shelf was self by and handing these
It's not That's not the game. Anymore. So whatever I

(22:06):
hear that, it just it depends on how it's position.
The music is has become second secondary. But for a
lot of artists, like you know, I think there's room
for for unique, generational, once in a lifetime talents who
are gonna cut through. But but let's like everybody don't
got you know, Whitney Houston as a vocalist is a

(22:29):
once in a lifetime generational that's gonna cut through no
matter what the climate. You know what I'm saying. There's
certain artists that are gonna cut through no matter what.
But for most of the time, even with all the
noise today, yeah, I think so why not. I'll I'll
tell you what white but well, Whitney, Whitney would cut

(22:51):
through because Whitney's pop. That's what we always have to remember.
Whitney's pop. Whitney didn't do r B to the twilight
of her career. Whitney. So I want to da have
somebody all these big records, these were pop records. I
think that voice, that machine behind her, she was she
would be Dua Lipa, Anita Taylor Swift all in them

(23:12):
wrapped up in one. She might have been even bigger
today because TikTok. Can you imagine that I want to
have somebody challenge like it was nuts? If she was
saying r B, I think a lot of our RMB
legends would have a very tough time breaking through today
because talent is so secondary. But let let let let's
be real. And I'm contradicting myself because the more I
think about it, and I agree with you and I

(23:33):
think it would be tough. But even Whitney, her star
wasn't just based off of her talent. You know, before
we had TMZ, we had Star Magazine, we had The Inquirer.
She was on the tabloids every week. But what I'm
saying after after she got to a certain like I'm
talking about the entry point, somebody just I wasn't there
for entry point. The Whitney version that I got was

(23:54):
like I and like that TV shows like that's what
I was like, Yeah, Bobby with me. She did have
a really good song out that I liked, the Dollar
Bill song make You Go. I had a back track,
So I don't know, So you missed that. I believe

(24:14):
the children of our Future I did. I mean, I mean, yeah,
I think I missed it. We sung that at like graduation,
like like sixth grade, we were singing that we cannot
sing any more at our graduation. Yeah, I believe I
have dry That's so funny. Anybody asks you who I

(24:40):
the ali just stand up talk looking in the face
and say, is he gonna get publishing off of this?
I don't know. I'm not getting published. Well, it's not
a bad deal. The world's greatest man, No world greatest
at your graduation? Yeah, you it every day. I live
in Jersey, so you currently listen to the what hip

(25:04):
Hop Questions legends and list will be right back after
this break. Yeah. I think it's tough, but um, and
it's always been there, right when you talk about virality,
but to the degree that it is, like like if
you look at Notorious b I G. Dreams of R
and B Bitch that was made for Shock and Awe

(25:27):
at that time, like that was so tab and you
gotta you gotta think about it. This is in New
York when Hot ninety seven is still in this infancy
of playing hip hop because station so really what you
was trying to get on you was trying to get
Red Alert. You're trying to get Kiss FM at night
and Kiss was primarily on B station, and all the

(25:48):
women or that that Big was talking to no Kiss.
I know, Kiss FM, but I thought came later that
they didn't play that night hip hop. BLS was playing
hip hop to Kiss was playing that night like kiss
like you would get because by time I ten o'clock,
by the time I came, by time, I'm you know,
interacting with radio, Kiss FM was not playing like yeah,

(26:11):
I didn't know there was two different versions of Kiss.
My kids weren't playing no rap, so like I can
love you marry J Blige and Kim it was just married. Yeah,
they just played coming. You're like, they will play hip hop,
they will play hip hop at night, but you got
to think about it. Most of the formats was still

(26:31):
R and B formats that would squeeze an hour in
hip hop because BLS wasn't even playing hip hop all
day at that point. And Big everyone that he's mentioned
and is a Kiss FM or WBLS Staple, Staple, you
know what I'm saying, go to hell fucking Patty, she
probably do me swell. So so that Damond Gus honey Man,

(26:56):
and granted the record was dope and big talent was there,
but there was a shock. Yeah, you know they're gonna
talk about this Big knew what he was doing. But
if if they knew what he was doing when he
did How to Rob? But it was still the music.
How to Rob and Dreams is the same record? Yeah,
isn't it over the saying it's not it's not the same.
It's the same record. But it was still music. I

(27:17):
think it was still music no matter what, it was
still music. Now it's everyone's invested in the TMZ of
it all. Everyone's invested in the whore you beefing with
in real life? Who is your baby mama issues? It's
it's who's the girlfriend who's stunting? And I was like,
my thing is just always it feels unfair to Proposition

(27:40):
to say everything is for the you know, the click
data that where we're living and all of us so
we're all if we're trying to be forward facing and
outwardly facing successful, we're all a part of it. But
I just don't think you we can you know, Proposition
and those artists as like, ah, that's all, well, I'm
not gonna say that they're all doing that because and

(28:02):
I personally, I work in media and I don't really
do stuff like that. Like I don't try to get
click baby ship. I just try to produce and then
people what they do if not. If not, I think
we live in an era where niches are going to grow.
People just grow with your niche. But also like someone
like Rapsode does not do click baity things or make
click baity music. And she definitely has classic albums, which

(28:24):
is why I said the answer problems. Yeah, she has
multiple classic Yeah, the Beata, Layla's Wisdom and Layla wouldn't
miss the classes Lads, wasn't the classic, It's like without it,
that's not that's not for argument. Layla, it's one of them,
even too, though I don't think I think it is
really good. You know what, It's funny because I acknowledge

(28:47):
Layla's Wisdom as the classic. I like even better. I
like Eve like I can understand that. I like Layla's
Woodn't Better and I think it's the classic. But I
understand where you're coming from, Like there's a few album
I'm like, this is obviously like get Richard trying to Massacre.
I like Massacre better. I think Massacre is a a

(29:08):
smoother Listen, he started crazy but I think I didn't.
I didn't need that one. I don't need me in
the robbing. But it is still man, there's still more.
There's the songs that are gonna go down for me
for like, I'll always listen to these fifty records. There's

(29:30):
more of them on the masket In and Get Richard Trying,
but you're never gonna hear me. Get Richard Trying is
not the classic. I don't agree with you, but I
funk with Masacre more than most people, like I think,
I think Massaca gets a bad rap. I was listening
to Mascre before I live in Massacre before I got here,
Like I love that, but but it's like like Layla's

(29:52):
Wisdom and Eve to me is like um Common when
he came with be and then Finding Forever right after
like it like it kind of feels like, Yeah, I
think is the best. I think B is the classic.
Man find If for Ever, won No Pump whatever is
a fantastic album, and if the ain't classic is close.
All right, you guys keep talking about male albums focusing

(30:15):
on female look at us, but we already said right,
so so so here here's the question. Right, So, the
question was is Miseducation Lauren Hill, the only hip hop
classic by a woman. How did you even come to this? Well,
I came to it pretty much. I was having a
discussion and they're talking about my boyfriend and his friends,

(30:38):
and they're talking about I met your boyfriend before. Yeah, yeah,
really good guy, and yeah, great guys, shout out to
you so well. Oh they were saying, like classic albums
from like blog air, like you know Kendricks, Damn, it
isn't as good as good Kid Master, He'll never have
another good kid of Messy. Then they're like, well close
for us, he'll drive. Really this is the sleeper and

(31:01):
everybody's talking about it. It's like, I'm sorry, Like this
is just how I got to the conclusion that, Okay,
men don't give a funk about women in rap because
it's like, well, then Rhapsody is also from that class too,
and was not mentioned at all and her but her
so was the conversation classic albums from the blog era

(31:21):
or classic albums from the era artist from that class
from that because that's why I was gonna be like, yeah,
Rahapsodies album came out far after the Yeah, we're just
talking about like from that class. Of people, but like
nobody ever funk or was passionate about it at all.
And it's like we then rapsody could really out wrap
or probably match them just as well, and it's not
talked about. So then when I'm just then I'm thinking

(31:43):
like then, you know, and all my years of hip hop,
nobody's ever sat down and be like and you gotta
hear this little Kim project or you gotta hear this
Missy Elliott project, Like that's just never a thing. And
it's like people be like, yo, whole people are arguing
on Hope's Greatest verse, even they argue Hope's greatest album
and why he is the greatest rapper? Like you never
heard the Blue Prank? You sound like some really good

(32:03):
young but it's like why not? The point? The point
is like why aren't women albums included? It's like you
don't even look. And then everyone to go to but honestly,
what I had came to and then I started asking
like female rappers that I interviewed, So I interviewed I'm
ready not too long ago, and I'm like, you know,

(32:24):
isn't even a priority for you to have a classic album?
You know? How like Jay z has this, nas has
that like you to yourself wanting to create that and
oh another point that was made. Sorry, but she did
say that she would like to do it, but she
feels like the bar is the bar is low, and
the standards is different, so having a classic album doesn't
really matter. And I'm like, damn that that's kind of sad.

(32:46):
But also the point was what was it about? Fuck,
I just lost my thoughts. It was, um, oh, we're
talking about Nikki's album and Nikki having a class sick album,
and it's like, do people really talk considered the Pink
Print classic album like that, like that's the one people

(33:06):
are that's my favorite Nikki album. But when you really
go down the track list and compare like classic albums
to other classic albums, doesn't really hold as a classic album. Yeah,
I think, I think I think Pink Friday isn't the
Pink Print is my favorite Nikki album. I think Pink

(33:26):
Friday would be her classic and she doesn't have. It's
okay to also say this, it's okay to not have
a classic when you when we have two perfectly with
like that would be the classic. But but but I'm
I'm also thinking from again and this is this is
more even so a conversation for this generation than Need

(33:47):
the Women and see like the impact that that album
had the moment that it was because the class to me,
a classic bigger than that. We also got to define
a classic. The classic is not a perfect album to me,
because classic, some of my most favorite classic albums, has
like one or two songs and I'm like, I could
do without that, and it doesn't stop being class out
of the other ten that you love, Yeah, yeah, yeah

(34:10):
you can't. You can't. You can't have a classic album
with five does I don't know one or two if
this is what we're talking about album, I don't love
the driving like twelve fourteen. I don't love on Blueprint.
I love whole lot and like I'm talking about love
that song. Like if you ask me my top fifteen

(34:30):
whole songs on it, I could do that and and
and and and the Blueprints the classic one of my
classo out of that album, it's not the same album.
You take that album, it's not the same album. Just
telling You'll just say, I feel man, Yeah, I'm looking
at it right now. I'm definitely skipping up seven. And

(34:54):
I'm also skipping fourteen. Yeah, I don't want to ever
want to do a pot and that also take it
all right, come on, let's go, come on, come on, women, women,
Come on, women women. So the bar for classics, guys,
it can just be like seven songs that are like
just slamming, right. I think. I think a classic is

(35:15):
about the time that it came, the impact that it had,
the how it captivated the audience, and and it could
be it could be hip hop as a whole, right,
because there's obviously, I think there's certain classics that I
think as a culture we all agree on, and then
sometimes there's a subset like everybody didn't hear m F
Doom Yeah first album or man Villany, but those are

(35:37):
highly regarded classics within the subset of people that hear it.
It doesn't take away from it, right, critical acclaim you know,
Blew and Exile Below the Heavens again, you you actually
average hip hop fan probably never even heard the album,
but that is a highly regarded classic. So I just
think how it captivates the audience that it was intended for.
And you know, it has to be a bigger audience

(35:58):
than you and your barber shop. I said, that about
for Your Eyes Only. That's why I'm such a huge
even though I'm not like if you just co fan
for your Eyes Only, I'm listening to it and I'm like, yo,
I might never listen to this again, but this is
for those people who like, all right, this is for
his fans, and I don't think anybody else could do this.
I don't think anybody else could put out an album specifically,

(36:21):
like I think people could put an album in. When
it does, they'll be like, my favorite record from is
on that project, So I really like so I like,
that's why. I'm like, that's why even like I said,
no matter how I feel about the project he releases,
I kind of deal with Cold like a like a
month to monthly. It's like, uh, you know, it's like
this album. I funk with this one not so much.

(36:41):
But for your Eyes Only that ship right there. My
favorite Cold album is Born Center. But I can acknowledge.
I can acknowledge that Drive is the classic, like d
is the classic. It's not my favorite, that's said, you
know what I'm saying, Like Drive is the classic. I
only want to bring up the blueprint again just so
we can get to the what's the standard of a

(37:05):
classic like that, I thought, I'll come on the track
like most people hate that's all. Most people will take
that classic of it. So if you're skipping three all
of it, it's skip three. You look at news zero.

(37:25):
But to me it's a it's a classic because it's
the time that it came out. It's the feeling that
it had is to shift that anyone listening came out
to be effective. What I'm about to say, close your ears.
Whole dropped the same day the buildings dropped, and people
flooded the streets like they with a puff of smoke
and still brought the album. Yeah, I'm not saying I

(37:47):
get it because the whole. I'm not saying he's not great.
I'm just comparing it just for comparing to women. If
this is album, it's not about jay Z at all.
What I'm saying saying, she's taking three songs. It doesn't
matter what three songs. For me, I'll probably skip three

(38:07):
songs on here. I can listen to the rest. So
if a classic album has a few skips and impact
that's all it takes, then what other women projects. That's
what I'm trying to get. I don't want to talk
about no more here it goes here, it goes here,
it goes so. Miseducation to Lauren Hill is established within
this week's question that that's a classic, no debate. I

(38:29):
think it's a hip hop album. I don't think it's
a rap album. I think it's a hip hop album,
hip hop album, hip do Cat gave y'all a pop album.
Let me tell you used rapping? But when Doja Cat raps,
it's not that good. She can listen. Doja Cat does

(38:52):
the same that Drake. She uses the same ingredients as anybody,
as a dre, as a now and when when it's
just how come when she does it, it's not considered rapper.
It's not to sit the hip hop because she's that's
not what she is. She's not a rapper, She's not.
Okay then a lot of people she is a I

(39:15):
think Doc is a really good artist. I don't know
if Doci has a genre. I think she's a really
good artist. And I'm not in a rush to boxer,
and I'll wait until she lets us know what it is.
But I know every song she drops I listened to
like emphatically, Yeah, like emphatically so and that's just me
being honest. I'm not being political if you were, if
anyone were to ask me any day, I don't know

(39:37):
what Dochy is until Doci tells me and and and
that cat told her she's a pop artist. That's something.
But at the same time, Doja and I hope she
does this ship is like, I want to do an
album with Knife Wonder please and wrap these motherfucker's under
the table. She can rap or embarrass herself because she's
not definitely well. I think that today's artists aren't necessarily

(40:01):
just going underneath a certain genre and that's that female. Yeah,
but that doesn't take away from the art of what
they're doing. So I mean, I guess in a sense
of because of that, is that because is that why
we don't have classic albums? Because raps you're just straight rapping.
What I'm saying, I don't. I think we don't have
class album because but that miss Elliot has two classic albums,

(40:28):
so she takes up a lot of that. Let's let's
go because I didn't make a list, so listen, we
we acknowledge that that Miseducation is a classic hip hop album. Um,
I think you gotta go as far back as MC
light Light as a rock classic. Yes, absolutely not mad again,
I don't I think at the time that it hit
what what it did? Songs like paper then ten percent

(40:50):
this Light as a Rock Georgie Board came after that.
The second Yeah, um, it's interesting. I want to put
Queen Latif for all Hell the Queen. So we're in agreement.
You know what I'm saying is is on my listad No, no, no,

(41:10):
that can't that that can't wait after the um she's
it's the white background. But it was a dance album,
a lot of what you hear on Beyonce album. Now,
that's why it's so funny. Also with with with dance
being in the forefront of hip hop is now right,
Queen was doing that Welcome to My House, Yeah, and

(41:33):
and and and Black Rain. I I debate whether or
not Black Rain is a classic on Queen Lativa, but
it gave us some classic moments. But you know, but
to me, All Hell the Queen is class. I have
um Queen. I think I think, um Little Kim Harcore
undeniable classic like no, like no, I don't know what
the yeah, I'm not even sure what the pushback confusion

(41:55):
would be Yeah, that that hard core is that was
a game changer. That from everything again, the music was
absolutely there um the time, the way it captivated people
to cover, the poster, the rollout, the attitude, the shift
that happens after she drops that album you're listening to today, No, look,

(42:20):
biggest start that big mama thing. Okay, hell yeah, I
want big chest. You in the studio with me. Spend
a little though taking a knife. I'm taking this is
what would do. Because you guys are the problem. Are
not arguing for the women. I don't care if you
are for women not. I want to talk about this

(42:41):
album in particular. Heart. I'm just saying. You guys are
saying these albums are great, but I doubt you guys
have listened to them within the past. I haven't listened
to Get Richard Trying in like a month, and that
isn't making any left of a classic listening. I burned
out and and let me see and hold on. We
have to listen to it every day. I feel like
classic albums have songs that you would listen to constantly.

(43:03):
I listened to Miseducation here every time I clean my house.
I listened to and certain songs have heavy rotation. And
I'll tell you how much I love hardcore and how
how's the perfect album for me? Crush on you on
Hardcore is a Little c solo and we don't skip
that either is I love the Little Seas version to

(43:23):
the remix. The remixes Kim can't do it before we
had the remix, when you just had the season did
what it was supposed to do, the cam that whole
record that who If I'm listening to hardcore, let me
see with lady face, baby face, don't give you by

(43:45):
the baby face man, I got you honly not to
take listen. If I'm listening to the hardcore, I'm expecting
to hear the cheese version. It's if I'm outside. Yeah,
if I play WHOA did you not read the wrong?
We are not here for this. I want to in
the loop in the nude. Come on, I got Missy,

(44:05):
I got I got super Duke and I have Missy
so addictive beat me nine one one best friends with
Aliyah passed. I spend every day best friend ever And
that's an album cut every day that gets to spend
for me somehow, someway, Hey, Google play somehow somewhere at

(44:27):
some point in the day. Yeah, super duper Fly, definitely classic.
And then I got Missy so addictive on there um
and I would push, I would push the argument for
the real world. But if I didn't get that win,
I would be okay. I think Under Construction is is
a strong contender for like a really really really really
really good album. I wouldn't call it a classic, but

(44:49):
Missy has arguably three classics, Like she fills up a
lot of this um, this Fossy Brown, Nana here as
a classic album, this classic song. My I think she's
a classic artist. I think my my favorite Foxy album
is Broken Silence. And I just don't know if the
culture considers at the classic is a classic to me,

(45:10):
I wish it would. But I think I think Foxy
when she would least music found a way or the
label who ever, found a way to make the release
really important, make these songs really important, like when Became
Anthem dropped, or Ill Nana dropped, or Gotta Get You Home,
like it felt really that Nana moment in time was

(45:32):
inescapable like that. My thing is how long was the inescapability?
That was my thing? That's always been my thing. I've
had the same conversation for people like you couldn't gave
it but for how long? Feel like it was like
two years that album burn. You're now listening to the
what if? I questions, legendly listen will be right back
after the break. I want to mention a couple of

(45:56):
other names, Eve Scorpion, I don't being up there. I
don't think even has a classical Yeah, and I think
the closest for me for it was the was the
first one. But I don't think he has a classical
even classic. What about Invasion of Privacy is a classic
and I'm willing to fight put the gloves on. Invasion

(46:18):
of Privacy by Cardi B is a classic album based
off of the standards that we just painted today. No
one has been able to do with an album what
Cardi did since Nikki, and that's why I think Pink
Friday is up there. I think Invasion in Privacy, I
think that's an overall project. I think Invasion of Privacy
is better, but I just don't. I just don't think

(46:40):
Nikki has a classic OU I think she has. I
think I think she has to drake. I think she
has to drake the Drake bug class Now he has
a classic mixtape. He doesn't have a classic au his
classic songs, but it doesn't have an album I put
together and deliver me. What is the classic album? You
gonna say take Care and nothing and nothing was the same,

(47:00):
nothing the same, was nothing with the same as Drake's
most cohesive album. Still not a classic. I don't know
what you want. I would want. I want you to
do what you did on the fucking mixtape. I want
you to do what you did on on on, No On,
so far gone. He came in, there was there was

(47:21):
a there was a there was a thing. He stayed
on track. We're gonna do it based off the criteria
he said, then it would be take Care. I think
Nothing was the same as the Motor Car cohesid. Nothing
was the saying my favorite Drake album. But I think
they both classics. I don't think he has I think
they both classes Drake and then he was doing take Care. Yeah,
but then it's like, you know, Drake has these things

(47:41):
on the album, every album. I'm not even gonna lie
to she already knows. My favorite Drake album Certified love Boy.
I fucking love that album. Love that album. But if
we talk about what Drake does on the album, Drake
gets into like a four really good like four four
song rhythm, and then like the next song was like, well,
what the bro what the fun was that? And then

(48:02):
it's like that for like two songs, and then he
kind of gets you back for another two songs, and
then he goes off the rail again for another three
songs like broke just then you want to release all
these again. There was only one misstep one. Nothing was
the same for me. And again it goes back to
a classic al I'm not having was three or five
to My City was the only one that still really bad.

(48:23):
And you know again like it doesn't stop Blueprint from
being a classic. Um yellows, Oh yeah, because we gotta
we gotta stay. I was joining it, but it's like
this just the group. Um okay, Pinkers classic. Oh that's
what I want to do. I want to go through
pink Friday. I'll pull it up, checklist that moment for life.

(48:45):
Didn't know them. You have Romans Revenge, I'm the best. Yeah, yeah,
it's good Romans Revenge. Like man, she's rhyming. They still
play didn't on him in the club one club. They
still didn't they didn't want to get the set. When's
the last time you played? Did it on? I haven't

(49:07):
actually now I played at six seen like did it on? Recently?
You still have actual? You know what I'm like, I
haven't been in the club and still on mixed show.
Right through Me? Right through Me is a good re Yeah, yeah, yeah,
a moment for life your love like like, I don't

(49:29):
know what all you want? Super Base was not my favorite.
I'm not a luge hit record. I'm not lying. I'm skipping.
I'm skipping like I am. Their old Nikki. The old
Nikki that's a classic is a classic album cut. Yeah, days,
Your love gotta go always at thirteen records, you're really

(49:50):
still smooth like two, I don't like the one I
Am record record Chance with the talk about but imitation
yo and Will is my gun Will I Am. I
didn't understand that you personally romans revenge you rocking with Yeah,

(50:14):
I don't believe it like I do. Dragon heard that before,
but it wasn't originated. It was her. Yeah, shot the
buster al right right through Me? Moment for life, ye
know you're keep it right. Moment for life, Moment for life.
Why is checking out? Check it out? Don't even play
on your things. That's crazy because God revenge. So you're

(50:42):
doing six out of thirteen. No, it's more than that averages.
It's more than that. I listen, I told you the
only record I really don't fun with the I am
reck it so you listen to all twelve mouth When
I listened to the album, I'm getting rid of like
five of these songs. Bro might be a smoo six
based something artists in the albums we've we've just listed

(51:03):
over the last few minutes. Does anyone do any of
these albums more classic the Miseducation? I think, I think
who has a better I think Hardcore. I think Hardcore
is a better album. I think it's a different super

(51:23):
Duper Fly is about if you're asking me if if
you put both of those out in front of me,
you say you have to listen to one. I'm going
super Duper Fly and I'm also going Missy so addictive
before I listen to Miseducation more Hill. I think mis
Education is the best um album by female hip hop
artists all the time. That's the easy answer. It's just

(51:50):
the answer why. I don't know if that's the answer.
Why why why does it have to be a hard
better hardcore is a better fucking album then fucking Miseducation,
And we sound crazy and comparing them because it doesn't
really I don't R and B. I don't think I
will say I will say. I will say this coming
off of the score, like Lauren Scorching Hot, one of

(52:14):
the illest rappers in that era, right, Miseducation is so
um just anticipated. So I remember going with my boy
after school, both bought a copy, came back to my credit,
went to my room to listen to it like we
would normally do with any album, and it was so
awkward in that room because comes back then, we just

(52:37):
didn't know it was gonna be so much R and D. Yeah,
just two dudes just looking and my my first time
listening to the album lost Yeah, what about love? Yeah?
The Lost one? You like, bro, what you're doing? So
so that was awkward, like like the on the first listen,

(53:01):
I definitely was like what the fuck? Like I felt bamboozoo.
And then obviously the second third day, when you know,
when I'm listening on my own, it's like, Okay, I
can get into this more because we was expecting like
twelve Lost Ones or Doop at least, you know, I
had some pop so but it was like, man, she's
still going off. But it took a while for that
one to sink in. But I think, I think, I

(53:24):
think that's the best hardcore is being questioned. I'm not
questioning all. I'm just saying Miseducation is the best. Super
Fly is right there. Yeah, I really don't be given
Missy her credit. Na, she definitely I think for me,
the main point I wanted to get at with this conversation,

(53:46):
it is just like, why aren't the woman included in
the conversation of classics? Because, um, men are weird, not
your I don't think me a weird. I think niggas
are weird. Let's get let's say that niggas are weird.
But I think I share number. There's more male classic
albums than there are women classic album which, then what

(54:07):
gets pushed out more is the male music. So that's
what's gonna first come to mind. It's all app The
answer to that is program programming. But but now do
you listen to this song to me days on the radio?
Because that's what they play. The weird, the weirdest thing.
Like you'll be on Twitter, you'll be on social media,
and when you know, when like a dude just volunteers
information that you didn't ask for and then and then

(54:29):
it make them look weird. Man, I don't listen to
female rabbits. There's a lot of people. There's a lot
of dudes who are still that. I was like that
not like our class, Like there was a time everybody
was coming out and everybody was a woman rapping. I
was like, fucking enough, man, we need nurses to be honest.

(54:53):
That narrative is what I hear a lot. And because
you know, I grew up my dad was playing hip
hop all time, my mom playing be But I was
never like, I don't listen to this because this is
nigger ship. Like I'll wrap along to jay Z, I'll
wrap along tons as if you know, well, it's impossible.
It's a male dominated thing. Yeah, that's the process is
an abnormality because it's a male we're programming. But it's

(55:15):
just it's music across the board. So it's like, if
you're a fan of rap, it shouldn't matter whether it's
coming from a woman, because you're still throwing that Mary J.
Blige always right. People by a Beyonce album Beyonce be like,
this is her best album ever, But they don't get
that same love when it's a female rap artist and

(55:37):
at it's very core what I think it is, especially
if it's like a woman with a message. It's just
people don't want to hear black women voices. Like people
ain't trying to hear about it. If and this is
for men and women, like, I don't know if people
know how to make music with a message without preaching.
Some people don't want to be berated and preach that.

(55:58):
They won't na the way it is right now something
a lot of mothers need to be be rated and appreciate.
I just said they don't need it. I'm just saying
that's not what they want to hear. So so I
hate to see somebody who's like, gets up with I
don't wear this and I don't wear that. Better than that,
the point wants what is over Here's more fun, that's scary,

(56:23):
that's what we actually, That's that the that's the point
that I had lost. Earlier, we were talking about Megan
the Saons catalog and how she doesn't have a classic
album yet She's so big, and people say, have a
good album about that. I like the first one for sure.
I like what's the fever? I just said it like
the first one, I said, I like the first album.

(56:44):
I like to Fever that album or that EP. It's
like seven songs in that. No, I don't know. I don't.
I don't know what of Megan's albums albums and that's
but most people don't or most guys don't say anybody else.
I'm confused by marketing of I think Megan in particular,

(57:05):
like she dropped like three projects. She dropped like three
projects and the album in terms of how the albums are,
how the projects are considered, Like she dropped like three
projects and then like the fourth one was like her
debut album, And I was like, yeah, I heard three
of these joints. So I don't know. I think it's
just a function of the music industry. And I know what,

(57:27):
like like, what's the mixtape, what's the EP? What's the mixtape? Well,
I mean this was the debut is the latest? Yes,
but what's the debut album? Good news? Good news? I
think was I think good news they were saying was
the debut? Yeah, Fever? That was just the first tape

(57:49):
right that that That's what I'm saying. I'm not even
trying to play. I think Good News came out and
there was like debut album by Magan the Stadium. I'm like,
I heard three of these joints, like I had like
four albums. Like the class of woman rappers right now
who are very big. Let's say Sweetie, Let's say Megan,
Let's say Dochi Doja? Like, are you guys flow Millie, Like,

(58:09):
are you guys anticipating a classic album for them? Like
the classic? I don't from nobody, but I've said do
I'm not. I'm not anticipating the classic out from anybody
because that just takes the fun out of it. Yeah,
it ruins. It's gonna ruin the listening experience, like like
when Blueprint. Again, when Blueprint came out, we wasn't like, oh,

(58:29):
just going to be a classic like we like it
just hits you and it knows. I do think that
anticipation of like, yo, this has to be a classic.
They have to deliver with the classic, like it's almost
always setting up an artist for failure, Like I don't
know if there's anything. I also don't know if there's
any I don't know if there's such a thing as
just a fan anymore. It's almost like what you deal with,
like everybody's everybody's either an executive for everybody's uh uh

(58:54):
fucking critic, and you know they think they're us, and
you know what I mean, It's like, can you listen?
Everybody everybody has a podcast. My home girls are definitely fans.
They don't like i'd be like what they don't want
to do? Not that debate ship. They're like, bitch, I'm
trying to twork. I don't got nothing to do. And
that you're talking about where I'm like, where's these home girls?

(59:15):
Because there was one? But I don't introduction buddy. Yeah, yeah,
but everything. It's also, yeah, the rise of so many
media platforms and everybody being a critic. I've actually taking
a step back from all of that way. I'm like, yo,
like the past year you kind of look, but you
don't need to be seven to take back. And you know,
last year I've just been kind of just chilling, you

(59:37):
know what I'm saying and listening and whatever. It feels
good to be a fan again, Like I don't like,
I don't have to have an opinion on everything. Like
sometimes it's just like like, oh, you don't. Are you
stepping back because you feel like it's over saturated? Are
you stepping back because you're just not in love what
you're currently seeing? Um? Good question, A mix all of that.

(59:58):
Part of it is strategic. Out of it is it's
just the way the stars and line. I was like, man,
it's a good time to to to to step back.
You know what I'm saying. Um, we made a lot
of money already, a lot of wealth, you know. Um,
I could pay the rent, you know, we can get
the good serial now you know what. Yeah, no more bags,
no more you know. So you know, but um, the

(01:00:21):
milk and just figuring out U and now I do
so so well. You doesn't even know change wife? My
wife do the shopping when people get money. Also, I'm
not a baby cow. But in the step back and

(01:00:42):
I guess what had your observation been from the past year?
Really good question, Um on what just the media or
did you know? Um, it's a lot of disingenuous ship
out here, and I wish people would be more genuine.
Want I want you if you're gonna say that, I
want you to elaborate on it because if not to

(01:01:04):
hear that a lot and it's not what is your attention?
Why do you have a podcast? Is it because you
have something to say? Is it because because there's a
message as a perspective, or is it that First of all,
a lot of y'all ain't making money from it, Like,
let's be real, it's a grind. No, no I'm not,

(01:01:26):
but it's a grind. Yeah, y'all with Black Effect Network,
we already know. I'm rolling with B many they got
the money man, shout out to see the guy, dolly.
What what I'm saying is is there there's a grind
and you noticed because you did it a lot before
the money came Woman Club, no money, yeah, three years,

(01:01:49):
three years, zero money. It's a long ground. Is it
to be famous? Is it to be like? And then
a lot of people so you get that, right, and
then there's the pressure to what I gotta cut through? Right?
So now it's not just having an opinion, but I
gotta say the most outrageous, craziest thing to be able
to cut through. So now I'm just willing to say

(01:02:10):
anything to cut through. And like, what does that even
where it's like what is your intention? Um? And and
the same thing goes for the artist at the same time. Man,
a lot of people come in here with rap and
bullshitting with it. What the funk is your intention? Because
people are looking at right now like it's a lick.
It's it's something I am And that's what I said.

(01:02:34):
But we create, we we we we got to change
that or it won't be nothing left. And it's moving
in that direction, like we gotta treat our ship like
it's worse than the it won't be nothing because because
of the accountable, it has to be proper management. And

(01:02:54):
you're somebody who would be on the pan like that
before that, before we said is that's cross? That? Like five?
It's about starting five? Big boy? Can you um? That's crazy.
We can't control the noise on the internet, but people
that are really thorough and care about the culture are

(01:03:15):
tapped into the like you know what I'm saying, Like
we all know each other. So that's why I think
like if there was something in place, we could kind
of change the direction of hip. Yeah, and and and
and that and that's my attention And I'm not and
I'm getting up, but it got it got to be

(01:03:36):
that's not the pressure. No, no, no, it's Nick Fury
is calling. It's not it's not pressure. But it's like,
you know, okay, we want to analyze the game. It
might be like, you know, Jordan's took two years off
and then one another three. You know what I'm saying,
like for whatever reason, and it was personal reasons. It
was all of the above. But you know, let's not
get it twisted like still I've been quiet, but you

(01:03:57):
know jay Z on Twitter spas you know, and he
had he got the best whole. You know, I'm a
whole quarter. He got the best whole. We're talking about it.
When we're talked about it. When you you know, I
want to call you nigger. When you got hold to

(01:04:18):
say that ship that was the best take. Let me
let me tell you said you said, you said what
you said was like he said, this is this is
the villain. This is the villain. This is the bad
guy talking. He didn't die, didn't go to jail, He
made more money and talked more ship. I was looking
at the phone like yeah, and that's not even the

(01:04:41):
part that went viral, which is crazy. And even when
even when I did the one with him, in the
Leasha then the last year, but no, let me even
even because I ain't even talking that last one. It
was Kalid and I you know what I'm saying, and
and Hope out I didn't know Hope was jumping on that.

(01:05:05):
So that conversation with hold the questions I asked that
was all freestyle. That was just it was like, oh ho,
all right, let's make it interesting. But it was it
was the questions that I had that I wanted to know.
But there was no prep time for l. L was
in that spaces too, like let's not that ship was
super feel like that when you really a fan of
the culture, like like you said, a lot of these

(01:05:26):
new people can't A lot of the nigga would have
got on there and said, oh so, uh really punched
you and now they say something worse. They would have
been like, so, you know, I'm pretty sure you've seen
hole or maybe not because you know you don't be
on Uh, I know you'd be watching though I know
you'd be watching. Um, I know you've seen where they
said people would take dinner with you or how do

(01:05:50):
you feel about that? That's what you ask over. We
want to know about the guy damn bricks, you're stupid. Bit.
I know they're saying hip hop like the trends coming
they go. So you know, back in the sixties it
was single driven, then we got into an album driven.
So then now we're back in the single driven. Do
you think the reason why, Um, there's like not so

(01:06:10):
many classic albums from women, just because that's just not
where the climate is right now. Yeah, I don't think
there's a whole lot of classic albums from anybody. I
don't think the industry is super invested in making albums
more so than they are making single moments. Um, that's
why you know, I don't. I don't. And again it
comes with the intentionality where artists will put out an
album and then put out the deluxe version two weeks

(01:06:31):
later with twelve tracks another in front of it, like
like not even at the end anymore, they're tacking it
to the front. It's like, Yo, what are we doing? Um,
you know my whole thing is. But just to answer
your question, in each area, it changes because the technology
dictates the format, you know, the style of life, yeah, technology,
style of life. Yeah, But I think it was a

(01:06:53):
lot easier to consume my album back in the day
because you had to sit down at something Yeah we're
now we're gonna go, but think about it. Even even
the album and had to side in the side, but
you had to get the cassettes. You had to get
the timing of your songs. It dictated how long your
songs could be, so you didn't have a bunch of
empty space. That's why you get an album like nas

(01:07:16):
as it was written and Silent Murder is just on
the cassette and it's not on the c D. It
kind of balances it out. Is why when you get
to the CD era and it's like, oh, we could
do a hundred and twenty minutes of music, and you
get albums with songs on one disc. It was like
excess of Richard and and a lot of those albums

(01:07:37):
became bloated to where it like, damn, this would have
been really dope was twelve joints, but you felt like
you had to fill up the CD. Now, you know playlisting,
you could pick albums apart. You know, when Apple comes
through and allows you to buy the MP three separately,
you know, you get to start choosing, and then that
leads the way to playlisting and and so a lot

(01:07:57):
of these labels and the business model. Yeah, they're also
looking for moments like give me a bit a huge
single moment and and you know, then then you don't
need the album. Then we're just you know, if you
got the huge single, all right, now give me ten
songs to put around that. You know what I'm saying.
I don't think a lot of people are invested in
making dope classic bodies. As a fan of rap, do

(01:08:19):
you feel like that should be you know, it's kind
of like getting a Grammy, Like, do you feel like
having a classic album should still be something that's value?
It just depends on who you are, like, because there's
been people who got classic singles right or classic moment Like, yeah,
it's just what you're winning for, But it's the intentionality.
Just don't lie to me. Just tell me what you're

(01:08:41):
winning for. Robert, you supplies that Cardi, Um, she hasn't
dropped out dropped the new albums since Invasion Provacy and
the last two years we've seen new Kendrick, New Drake,
new j Cole albums. How come like after Cardi drops,
you know, a very big album, she hadn't any follow up.
I think I think I think her intention is different.

(01:09:03):
I don't. I don't think. I don't think Cardi is
in it for the same reasons as a Kendrick. Like
if you look at what Kendrick does from each album, now,
Kendrick takes two, three, four years whatever between each album
and they all sound different. Like Kendrick, Kendrick isn't necessarily
looking and he's been successful. And of course they think
about success and marketing strategy and rollouts because it's a business.

(01:09:26):
But I don't think when Kendrick steps into the studio
he's thinking, Yo, I need a hit record. He's like,
what can I say in this space with this time
that I have? How can I shift the culture? What
conversations do I have to where he even takes a
risk with Mr Morale. I don't think it's his best album. Um,
I think his his most courageous and his most daring,

(01:09:48):
Like it's an uncomfortable more daring than Yeah, I think
I think he took it. Y know, it's uncomfortable to
listen to miss the morale if you're not yo, the argue,
wing the the ship that he forces you to confront.
And I'm not saying I'm not saying this is bad,
but I gotta I gotta be in the mood to listen,

(01:10:09):
like I can't. It's a heavy listen to taxes you Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. But it's great art. I
think Cardi, on the other hand, like it's such a
business and she gets it. I think forgetting in other ways.
I think also forgetting the livelihood of a woman. You
have two kids, Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
If a guy did that, then he's like, oh, we understand.

(01:10:29):
I think we take time off and doesn't say nothing.
We're feeling in like, oh no, he's I think for
Cardi is just the pressure because her moment was so explosive.
I think I think she does. I mean honestly, I
think that. I think being a mom played the part
in it too. But she is still giving verses and

(01:10:50):
she's still participating, so it's not to say that you
don't care. I think she just feels like, damn, I
have a fucking isn't it Diamond? Yeah, But again I
think it's just intention is different and it's not worse
or better Kendrick with what can I say with this album,
Like Kendrick is not gonna drop Lucy's Cardi is just
like whop, but she shook sit up when she dropped

(01:11:14):
Meg's record, card Record, but she shook it up like politically,
like the way different politics. So she was able to
make her impact felt with a singular thing where I
just don't think Kendrick thinks like that. I think Kendrick
thinks and albums, you know, and I think we gotta
I know it's gonna make people mad, but I think

(01:11:34):
we gotta start looking at Cardi, specifically Cardi. We gotta
start looking at her business mind like we look at Ave.
We gotta look at like a hole. So the same
way she's like, all right, gave you this album. All
I'm having these kids on us. But I gotta stay.
I gotta stay, I gotta stay big. I gotta be
able to keep selling. She's a hustler, keep keep keeping
the money coming in where she comes from the world

(01:11:57):
of stripping with it's like in order to get your money. Yeah,
Like I don't even get off this Cardy. I feel
like most artists out right now are all think like
that's why I wrapped the lick, because it's like you
get in through wrap, you get some social credible I
said that about Cardi from the beginning. I said, Cardy
is the greatest Instagram girl ever because they get on
the women they would get on Instagram. They sell hot

(01:12:19):
the fifty and all this stuff. Cardy said, I'm going
to sell you me and I'm going to hit you
all over the head all kinds of different ways. Now
I'm selling your music, You're gonna eat it up, selling
you this collap, You're gonna eat it up. I'm selling
you this, You're gonna eat it up. She's really she's
really like that boy like shit. I've enjoyed having a

(01:12:40):
front row seat watching Cardi B's ascension, so listen. And
the fact that she came out gave you that Invasion
of Privacy album, put so much care when she didn't
have to. She was coming out on the hill of
a dime two diamonds selling single. She could have rolled,
She could have rolled the streaming into a fucking diamond

(01:13:01):
na she gave you. You know, I just think her
intention is there and the way I think the way
she sees it is different. So what do you think
the next project is gonna sound like? Speaking of Bronx
female rappers, Yeah, Spice, I was feeling the young, the
young legend that I was feeling you that Nigga is

(01:13:21):
a munch he eat eat shout out, shout out to him,
Shout out to the to the crew at world Star.
Yeah that that that was a good play artist. Yeah,
she she she goes to world Star District, which is
super smarter than Yeah. I love it, I love I
love it. I don't really be especially when it's funny music.

(01:13:42):
I don't be fucking looking to critique these kids, like
their kids making fun of music is dope. Like that record.
Shout out to Jogan, Shout out to Danny picture kp
um folks that create two Um. But that right when
when you know I first heard the record when it

(01:14:02):
was first played to me, even before it came out.
It just checks the boxes. I mean obviously, like drill
is the sound right now, particularly in New York. It
sounds like New York when you hear it. There's no
mistaken about where the record is from. Um. It gives
us new lingo. That's always important, Like she gave us
a word that's easily digestible that I think it's here
to stay for a while. Um, And it's empowering in

(01:14:26):
the way I always like because men do it for
so long. I like to hear women talk about men
in that way, like yeah, objectifying, shout of young baby
take slut him out. I think that record is brilliant,
like I love ship like that. Um and but but

(01:14:48):
I like to beat the Joe. That's not what about
the beat. It's the beat and it's yeah yeah throw
like she really like threw it back. I never I
like Point B, especially just the way that clip hit
and it was like just like a super throwback, but
a lot of yeah, it got the it got the

(01:15:10):
it got the sample. It got to Joe that he said,
which is the greatest rm B. A lot of guys
like that, like the International House Japan. All the men
online was saying that. They said she was burnt out
for that. They said she was burnt out for point B.
I can go on Twitter right now mad people that

(01:15:32):
just like she's mad burnt out, Like I just like
how she um you know, she wrapped like great master cast.
I think both of you guys are like being um
like respected, No, y'all respect hip hop. So you guys
are respecting like the songs and the women that I'm
bringing up. But online. That's not yeah, is not real.

(01:15:54):
But let me tell you something about women to hip hop.
Very very rarely does what said online dictate the actual
success of it. Like Nike said all that about playing
b look the streaming number. But but but but let
me just go back to also why I could appreciate
women in hip hop, and from a perspective even goes
back to munch like you know, or listening to the

(01:16:16):
hard core was like listening to what women say when
men are not around. So now I'm picking up game listening.
You know what I'm saying, Okay, money like me, okay, okay,
So we're supposed to be in put like this, this
is what women likest P six it was. It was

(01:16:40):
I'm not gonna now a little. It was a couple
of years later, like Louke Kim said, kids, No, it
might have been like, um, definitely terrible. Hold on, felt
what's my camera? You should you should? You should pleasure

(01:17:04):
you a woman. That's not a terrible thing. It's not
what we're saying here a right, like I'm just saying
in the booty like groceries. No, but you know, you
get to hear and it's a little perverse because I
think the same time, the way men speak about women

(01:17:24):
on records is exaggerated, right, um, and and so women
do the same thing. But yeah, listen to a little
camera record, listen to a Foxy Brown record, was like, yeah,
that should kind of helped me out a little bit.
It's games, just like, okay, all right, Okay, that's what
it is, all right, Like like so for me, I
just appreciate the perspective. It's funny to hear you say that.

(01:17:45):
You like hearing you know, women rappers talk about yeah
like slipt me out, like you know, the opposite to me.
But in a way, it's like, you know, women are
kind of tired of being talked about in a misogynistic way.
So it's like, are we really doing the right thing
by leveling the field or should we be pushing the pen?

(01:18:05):
I think you could do. Yeah, I think it depends again,
just be honest about your intention, like you know, like
that there's a time and a place for everything. Everybody
has sex, or I hope that everybody is having a
healthy amount healthy sex life, right, So sex is important.
It's just important as as as human interaction, Like sex

(01:18:28):
is important, So why shouldn't that play on in the music.
It was playing out in the music that our parents
listening to. What you think the Ozzies were saying when
they were talking about between the sheets. I like the
way you receive me, the way that the women who
sells sex cell versus somebody like rap self, right, Like,

(01:18:50):
that's that plays into what scaring, That's what it plays
it too, And it's all it comes down to, like
I think it comes I think I don't think rap City.
I don't think rahp City is losing any sleep over
her success. I think she's found her niche. But it's
not about rapsody losing sleep. It's just about what I'm
talking about right now. It's just the culture. So it's like,

(01:19:10):
okay that raps he got two classic albums better, that's
all but that. And I think we get in here
and leave it as like, you know, let the people.
But I don't think the culture needs to do bad.
I think as long as the well, yes, the code
needs to do bad by making a space for that
type of music and not pushing it out. But that
doesn't mean everybody has to eat it up. Everybody I

(01:19:31):
don't eat up match it like I don't personally like
drill music. I support it. I live in the city,
I'm a DJ in this city. But I don't love
that ship. I don't come from drill music. Keep drilling
like it's like given back to rap City. Then this
might and and that's that's the homie as no. Just
you know, I'm pretty sure rap City has sex. Yeah,

(01:19:56):
but listening because you got short listen, but listen. But
let me finish my point. But but it's it's not
what she chooses to wrap about, Like there's also other
things in life, and then she chooses to to go
in that She's gonna do it from an angle that's
not Sweetie's angle, Like we don't like you know, you

(01:20:18):
know who who I really enjoy Um is one of
my favorite UM rappers right now, man, and I'm rooting
for her so hard as Lady London. And here's my
thing about And I told Lady this Um why I
think she because Lady talk all that ship it looks good,
but she does it differently. Her perspective, Lady to me

(01:20:39):
is like a lot of hip hop and it's fine.
Tells us about what's happening in the moment on the
club that that night's right in front of you, and
what lady is telling you is like the morning after,
how you feel after the ship sets in the surree
rule part of the male female dynamic and sex and
and like that. And I need to me that's the

(01:21:01):
ship that I'm meant too, because yeah, I'm in the party.
I could see the same thing you're saying. Okay, you
describe that to me, That's cool. I want that insight
and and and and even back with wrap not to
make it weird. I think rap is the type of
artist when she gives it to you, is not just
the surface of anything. When she wraps about money, she's
just not rapping about him. I'm counting dollars, dollars, dollars,

(01:21:21):
doll on the surface is that, But it's the cerebral
part of that. It's the insight part of that um
and funk funk with it. I'm here for all of it.
I need that perspective, like because I learned from that,
I grow from that. I feel like we just need
more diversity. One last thing, guys, Real Quick is Miseducationally
the only female classic album. So to answer today's question, no,

(01:21:45):
Hell No is Miseducation alone. Hell the only female classic
album in hip hop. If that is your opinion, you
are smoking rocks like you are on the make, like
Chill with the Fen and all like it's we got
plenty of classics out there. You guys gave me some

(01:22:06):
homework to do. Yeah, shout the Little Seeds on the
version to Man, listen to a Little Seas version on you.
It's been I've been a classic time. Man, appreciate I'm
building up. No, I'm just trying. Look at so far,
can't Oh yeah, I like to see. I'm just stubbed.
I'm just happy with being. No, I'm saying big shoes

(01:22:27):
to film man. You know you had a lot of
legend every guests. I just hope by well the tomato
sat where they sat. So nothing, not anyone crazy. It's
me right crazy crazy. Yes, please other people that could
support you, what it could follow you. Keep in touch

(01:22:47):
with everything you got going on. Yeah, just on social
media at Rob markman Um. You know you can find
me anywhere. Just everything is under my name or or DSPs.
I'm definitely back to release some music. I got a
new sing coming out called them Fake Chains Um, and
you're gonna all the rapid Yeah, you know I have

(01:23:08):
a record together. I have no change of fake change. Yeah,
I got Mouse Jones on the record man um now,
But you know I'm just doing what I love. I
think the best way to support me, to answer your
question is just support hip hopes, support, good attention, being
attention to like it ain't even about me, It's about us.
So it's like, man, support support the ship with like
good attentions to bring this forward because some days I'm

(01:23:32):
afraid we're gonna lose it. The way this ship is going,
I feel like that often. I know, I know we protected,
but that's why I put up my post room felt
like you did a thank you guys for tewning into
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