May 15, 2023 • 56 mins
Nyla and Mouse had a tough time with this one! This week in honor of hip hops 50th year we have a deep dive on what’s the most important hip hop song of all time. Featuring picks by Kazeeem Famuyide, Shaheem Reid, Jayson Rodriguez and Damien Lemon. Tune in and comment in the socials below.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, guys, and welcome to the What hip Hop
Questions Legends un list. I'm not Lessen Long and I
am the man.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
That puts juxon and juxtaposition Mouse Jones.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Yes, and today we are going to ask one of
the hardest questions out of all the seasons that.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We've ever done.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
This is the hardest question about hip hop. This is
the hardest question about the music.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I've ever been asked.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I really don't like this question.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I like the question because it's the debate, but I
don't like the questions because I can't pick an answer.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I mean, okay, we're in agreement, then okay, we're in agreement.
Everyone who's been able to answer this, I'm like, go
to hell, because how you answer this question.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's hard, and.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
To be fair to those who picked the ones that
they picked, because we have some of our friends who
have chimed in friends of the pod.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, friends of the.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Pod, respect to their picks, but it's just so hard.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Curators of hip hop.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Cure Yeah, you mean, listen, this is chuck shout outs.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Shout out to d Block because one thing you're gonna
do is keep the show interesting because I don't know
like I was getting mad, I was like getting viscerally upset,
like thinking about this, and I was like, what is
the answer, because there's so many there's so many different
answers for so many effer.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Complex That's what I'm saying. He's like, you pick your song.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yet I'm like, even last him, I'm like, no, no.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Actually no I didn't. Yes, actually no.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I did it. And it's frustrating me that you will
remind me that I.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Had to think about this challenging ask question.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
So today's question that we will answer, hopefully yes, is
what is the most important hip hop song of all times?
Speaker 5 (01:44):
I hope it is the fiftieth anniversary of hip hop
this year. This is kind of our episode that to
pick one, well, I just think that if we do list,
which we we've done lists on this and we've done
lists very well on this pod, but sometimes we spend
so much time getting to number one. I wanted us
to spend time speaking about why that number one, that's
(02:05):
our number one, So that time spent, producer, that time spent,
I want on that song, not five four three two.
You can mention the other songs that are in your list,
but I want most of your effort and bandwidth spent.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
On that song, you know, but I'll say compared to
our other list, it was just more marginalized. Where this
is the entire hip like hip hop, the most important
song in hip hop.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
It's such a big culture.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And there's there's so many layers to it that would
really I feel like it would just come down to
preference and your point of jury.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
What makes what makes a song important?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I think I think that goes back to what we
were talking abou a few weeks ago, like that discussion
about impact, right, Like what was the impact of this
song not just from a to consumer level, but like
as a mass consumption thing, Like what did the masses
get out of this?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Right? Like?
Speaker 4 (03:06):
One person put out this thing and everybody felt it
was invigorated.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
By it, was influenced by it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
So, I think when we're talking about what's important as
in as it compares to what's big, right, Like there's
a bunch of songs that's big, not important, Yeah, right,
like Ice Ice Baby, big, huge, huge song. Is it important?
I don't think so?
Speaker 5 (03:36):
No, you get what I'm saying, Like that's a great example.
So it's sold a lot of records, but it's not important.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Isn't important?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Like I think when we're talking about important, Yeah, like
I said, for me personally, I just think the impact
of a song is what makes it important. Like can
I look at this, Like when I look at certain
songs that you know that's obviously on my list or
that I had trouble trying to decide which one to
talk about, every single one of those songs were important,
(04:07):
whether it's a marker in time or a marker in
transition of music, or being the first to do something,
or even being important enough to just be infectious, right,
Because then there's songs that's on the opposite end of
what I said earlier, where there's songs that are big
but important, But then there are also songs that are
(04:29):
not big and are important, like you know we can
talk about right now.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
For me, like shook Ones, was it hard?
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Had a hard time not saying it's one of it's
not an important song because although it's not as big
as it's contemporaries, I don't know if it's even my
Beep's biggest record commercially, but it's super important.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Like you don't you don't hear that.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
You don't hear that and not get you even watch
like what's that eminem movie eight Mile and when he's
rapping up, I'm.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Just I'm like, yo, we're here, Oh my god, here shit,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
And it became something bigger than itself. It became something
in the zeitgeist of hip hop, right, like or bigger
than hip hop.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Right.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
We've heard sports analysts use it, even though there's a
you know, there's a direct connection between sports and hip hop,
but just the term shook ones is bigger than just
that song.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It transcended you know.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
What I'm saying. And it's not a big song, but
it's important. Yeah, what makes the song important to you?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying to think. I agree
with you. I think impact is very important.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I think I would also say, hmm, it's most important
hip hop song of all time.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I'm really puzzled.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I'm not even gonna lie. I'm really puzzled. And what
I was gonna say pretty much is the same thing
as impact.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So I'm trying to figure out word.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Can a song over the last twenty years you can
consider it important? Like that's been released in the two thousand, that's.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Why I was, That's why I believe immediately when when
you brought this topic to us, immediately, I was like,
you can't answer that question right because who knows if.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
That songe was created at right?
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Like to say the most important that's a finite thing,
like no matter what happened, this song is gonna and
I don't know that to be certain.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And then I even tried to take a different approach, like, Okay,
what's the most important hip hop song to me?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Like not even just like let me not be an outsider,
let me make it personal. I still can't. Yeah, I
was just like even worse. So, yeah, Darren, I hate
this topic.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
I will say even as an old head, as a
as part of the washed young, and something in the middle,
I'll say pop smokes, Welcome to the party or do You?
Or do You are two important songs that will have
legacy after twenty years from now that people will say
that was an important song.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
All right, I'm ready to say my song right now?
Speaker 5 (07:10):
You got to hold your song ahead, hold your song.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I can't do this no more, man hold it.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
But so yeah, and also obviously Kendrick's all Right will
be considered an important song, and it still is an
important song. But when you think about songs released over
the last twenty years, you know, you have to think
about what time does to music and make it creates
a legacy for it.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Here you got like, yeah, like you said it perfectly like.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
And that goes back to what I was saying before,
Like when I think of an important song, I think
of Markers.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You here, welcome to the party. Immediately you remember, there
wasn't this before this, Yeah, right, Like this sound wasn't.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
This before he came out before him, It wasn't anything
like this after him. It's all been a horrible almost there. Oh,
that's almost possible. I almost get that feeling. Almost sounds
like where he was going with it.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
So it's like, Drake have an important song? Best I
ever had? Is that an important song?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I wouldn't say I think Drake just has big songs.
I don't think he has important songs. Yet what give
me an important song? Like Drake?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
His existence is important. The mere fact that Drake's exists
is important. But if I had to go pick a cattle,
if I had to go into his catalog and say,
I'm gonna take this one song and all its entities,
and I'm gonna put it in a time capsule, and
I'm going to close it up, and I'm going to
bury it deep in the Earth's core, and in one
hundred years, somebody's gonna find it, and when they hear it,
(08:48):
they're gonna know this was this. I don't think he
has that yet. I think he has big songs. You
can't argue the big song.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
So the song that I would pick by Drake if
I had to be like best hip hop song by Drake,
I think I would probably pick pound Cake feature in
jay Z, like I love that record. When I picked
that for this conversation today, like I think, I think
blog era rappers Drake is included in that up we
should exclude, Like, I think it's because that's not the
(09:18):
twenty year mark.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
They need three more years to get to that.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
No, he said within the past twenty years, Oh, I thought,
not twenty years.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And before he said within the past twenty years.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Oh, he posted two thousands. So I mean, even like you.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Know, but even even that one, like I would say
pound Cake, But then like impact, that record didn't really.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Have impact, but Drake has impact.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
But Drake has it.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
You see what I'm saying, Drake, Drake is bigger. And
I've said this for years.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Drake is bigger than his catalog, and I think sometimes
it does him at dis service, even to me as
someone who has an opinion on hip hop, when I
talk about Drake, I don't think Drake has a complete
we're talking about Albu, I'm not talking about so far going,
if we're talking about this album. I don't think Drake
has a complete, unanimous classic. Yet he has an album
(10:09):
that that came really really close and take Care, but
even take Care had had a lot left a lot
to be wondered about his completeness as an artist.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yes, yes, yes, we agree. Take Care is great. It's
not classic. I guess.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I think take Care as a classic, I do, Okay.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I can't argue what you think, but what I can
say is, if we look at the critique.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I think any of his albums take Care that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
But that doesn't make it a classic. And that's what
I and that's what I even.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
That if you're reading this, it is too late, I
would say take Care and if you're reading this, it's
too late only because so.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
It's watch it.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Fetty watched first album of Classic No, so why is
if you're feeling it?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
If you and this, it's too late because of the
impact had the same impact. It was an album.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
First album had the same.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Look at the numbers.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
No, no, no, I don't mean I don't mean number impact.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I mean everything. I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Cultural impact. Yes, if you're reading this, you're too late.
Had the same.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Cultural one, the same number queen.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Look, I'm not I'm not, but I'm not talking about numbers.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I'm talking about you. If you're talking about impact.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
If you're reading this, too late was a soulless album
that gave you hits.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
It was hits, hit hits. There was no craftness that
he tried to do with other albums.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I don't think it was hits his hits because he
was rapping and he was talking about Now. When I
think of hits, I think of like God's plan, Like
that's like a mainstream hit.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
If you're reading this isn't hits.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Pull up track, Queen, and I'm gonna pull up. If
you're reading this, it's too late, all right.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Track Queen. Well, two point one million is where Fatty WAPs.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Album and all those numbers be a lie. I don't care.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Yeah, it is streaming.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So we got legend, hit hit energy.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
But these are like but these these are hits to us?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
No, no, no, these are these are these are be
a world whide hit. You drop these records, everyone's going
in sing ten bands hit, no yourself hit, maybe not
no telling.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Maybe that's ours Madonna, that's.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Ours, Oh I love Madonna.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Six God's preach another one? What are we have? Five?
Six record? Now you Go, Now, you go to, You
go To, You go to, You go to.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Fetti Wat's first album, same thing, A bunch of hits,
no soul.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I'm not saying this to discretion.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I don't know what you mean by no soul.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I'm just gonna if you go.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I think that there was a story and take care.
There was a story and nothing was the same.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
There was a story in this too.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
What's the story?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
This story is on each song? Legend, there's literally a
story in each song.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You wouldn't write these songs.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I'm just being honest, Okay, legend, there's no story in legend.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
If I die, I'm He.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Set the tone with that, then he went into energy,
saying like I'm tired of you niggas.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I'm that nigga.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Then yourself, Well, this isn't about never hearing, so this
is just about I don't know, I don't I think
you're under or just not giving proper credits.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I'm giving him all the credit.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I'm saying we are in agreement that take Care is
a great album.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Take Care is an amazing album, Yes, but it's not
a class I think it's a classic.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You said you only.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Gave it a classic compared to his other album. Would
you deem it a classic next to other classic albums.
I only hear people say take Care of the classic
to his album.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I'll say this, My personal favorite Drake album is Views.
And I recently went back and listen to take Care
because everybody or somebody put out something and said that
take Care is this on the third Twitter's like yeah,
take Care and take Care.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So I'm like, damn, Okay. Then I went back and
listened to it. I'm like, damn.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
There's a lot of hits on this project and I
and I understand why they consider it the classic because
it takes you back.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
It really misses like what. There's a lot of missus practice.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
For one, I love practice.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
That was before.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I know, but it's it's a miss. That was that
was that Marvin.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Drum a miss? Stop?
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Please let's get out of the drink.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Please stop, because yeah, because Mars is a miss. Just
because you hate that song.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
One of the album, I don't even and I love
you know how I feel about Kendred. You may not
find a bigger Kindred fan than me. But that fucking
Marvin drum interlude using Kindred is super weird. It's weird,
is weird.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
That's the only thing I agree on so far that
the Kendrick feature is.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
A little weird, but city.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
But if you I think what you.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
What?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
You actually listen to the record, you see that he's
telling the story of when they met three That's why
it's cool because now they're all legends.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Answer my question, man, why are you getting on my nerves?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Take care of the classic so you currently listen to
what hip hop questions legends and list will be right
back after this break.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
There's no role models, an important song getting back to important.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Songs, No role models. No, that's the one we're picking
out a call.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
I'm just like it's a big song, but it's also
was significant.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
As I said earlier, big doesn't necessarily mean important.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
I'm just what about Little Wayne's.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Millie important soul? Big soul?
Speaker 5 (15:52):
What's the most important Little Wayne song of the last
twenty years? Would you say that.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I can't see that a million is the most important
Little Wayne song last twenty years.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
He might be. It has to be between that and lollipops.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
So much he has big songs important changes the trajectory
of music. Six foot seven, Oh, I would say it's
between a million lollipop.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I would just go with a MILLI even down to
the red skinny jeans.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Just about Kanye's important songs, I think is probably important.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I think Kanye, I think you would have to and
this is gonna sound crazy. We can have an easier
conversation talking about creating a list of his not important songs.
I think it's not it's and it's kind of unfair
to everyone else because Kanye is a producer as well,
So it's not just a rapper going into the booth.
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It's a producer going into the booth every song. And
he had an agenda, he had something to prove, whether
it was constribed within itself. Like you know, some of
the conversations around genius or it's just he has to unapproved,
but he did it every song out.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Do you think Jesus Walks is more important than Runaway?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yes, run Away.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Run Away is my favorite Kanye.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Runaway is a is a cementing record. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Hey, if y'all thought I was going to fall off,
if you thought I was going to keep doing this
over here and I was just a sole sample guy,
if you thought that watch this can get this is hard.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
I mean Jesus Walks got him into a whole different
audience obviously, I think.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, production wise, like I feel like.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
You think got him into a different audience. I think
I'm just asking.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Yeah, I think rage that he hasn't come back from
with run Away.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
I think run Away it can. I think his fans
were like, Okay, so if we look at this like
like post apocalyptic shows, right before Runaway, all the fans
are seemingly normal humans and everything is fine, and then
(18:19):
something about Runaway in the clothes and just that esthetic
he was giving away it.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Can it infected them?
Speaker 4 (18:29):
And then you've seen that the fan base got a
lot more rucous and a lot more ragey. And it
was the fan base we see now right where I
think prior to run Away, I think his fans were
able to criticize him for what was wrong, be able
(18:49):
to point out what was wrong, hold him accountable this,
and then after Runaway they were It's like it's like.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
They got the court, the courtyceps from the last of Us.
That's what happened.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
So yeah, I think Runaway extended like just like the
musical palette for hip hop, like you wise, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Yeah, So I think when you talk about shook Ones,
you talked about a thing that's very important, not just
in hip hop but just a lot of culture and arts.
Is that you know, we talk about a rapper's favorite rapper,
a rapper's favorite rap song, you know, a comedian's favorite comedian.
It's not usually the most popular thing, but it's this
thing that if you play at the right time in
(19:30):
a club or anywhere, everyone's is gonna go bananas because
it's not over it's not particularly overplayed from mass consumption. Right,
It's something that everybody does know, like shook Ones, but
it wasn't like a billion type streamers, right right. So
I do think that like when we talk about as
we go deeper and we talk about this topic, it's
important to always come back to that, you know, because
(19:52):
it's about like not just the mass consumption of it all,
but just kind of like this is a song that
everybody knows and loves.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
And you know that whenever you play a song of
all the time, isn't it supposed to be about mass consumption?
Speaker 5 (20:04):
It's triggering both those boxes, right, like hitting both boxes
where it is a song that everybody who knows rap knows,
but you know, even not just Vanilla ICE's Ice Ice Baby,
but you know, bust a Move by Young and See
or wild Thing. Those were like one hit wonders that
really had no real significance.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
They were popular songs, but they had no meaning.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
It's like the broccoli on your plate. You eat it,
it's part of the meal. But if somebody asked you
about the meal, you're gonna talk about that steak. You're
gonna talk about how well the chicken was done. Rarely
is anyone gonna be like.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Oh the broccoli. I don't eat meat, me neither. But
I'm just saying, like the shripre the stripe to perfection,
I see some difficult but you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Like, no one's talking about oh, the college fly, We're
just Oh, the mash potatoes were just to die for.
You're talking about what you ordered. You're talking about the
thing you ordered, what got you to the you know,
if you were to talk about if you were to
talk about the broccoli, if you were to talk about
the mash potatoes, it would be it would be indicative
(21:20):
or it would be an indictment against the thing you ordered.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And I think that's right. So when we talk about some.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Of these songs or like we've heard old heads do
all the time, like oh, well you look at this
and look at this, look at this, that's an indictment
of the time, right, Like, all right, if you talk
about this song and you talk about the young Las
and this, and you know, I guess you know hip
hop was it was a little shaky at that moment.
But when we talk about these records over here, this
(21:48):
shows hip hop's capability.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
This shows the depth of hip hop.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
And that's when when you talk about Runaway versus Jesus Walks,
you feel like Runaway has more of a premium quality
about it, right, I mean.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
No, I think I think has the has the premium quality.
I think I think Runaway was like, uh, run away,
the nice car that you just souped up, it was
already a nice car. But to me, Jesus walked, you
(22:24):
built that from scratch. You built that. We watched him
build that car from scratch. And also it was and.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
He didn't write that song.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
No, mm hmm, you didn't, right, Jesus walks.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Okay, we don't want to go on to change formed
in that song.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Hustlers, dealers, even the drug dealers shot to ron.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Fess him building it brooke by brick. Sure, that's crazy,
like he didn't write it.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I don't need my producer to be a writer.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I thought we were talking about the best hip hop
song of all.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Time, and I think he didn't create that.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
And then we got into Kanye Jesus Walk versus Kanye Runaway, Runaway,
and then you said, but he built We watched him
built this brick by brick.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
But it's not really So do you.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Do you do you do you enjoy or do you
have a do you have a reverence any less of
a reverence for the dude by Quincy Jones because he
didn't play those instruments.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
No, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I'm just saying he ain't build it brick by brick,
That's all I'm saying. No, I'm just it's.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Not built brick by brick by him. We didn't want
like we watched we put it together.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
So did Quincy Jones not build?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
We watched, we watched him put it together.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
He didn't play any other message, he didn't play any
other instruments.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, but he put it together. He produced.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Did Kanye not do that? He made the beat?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
He said, he did this by brick, I'm saying, and
someone else wrote the record.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
He went, So he hired a day labor.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
So let's let's get into our choices, all right. So
we're gonna now dive into thankful for some of our
friends who are, you know, hip hop curators themselves and
have been in this culture their whole lives, and also
have been on our pod. Damien Lemon, comedian and huge
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hip hop fan. He sent me a text for his
choice for most important hip hop song. He said, as
much as I want to say the message or fight
the power, I'm going with straight out of Compton. I
think that record shifted rap in a way nothing else
has since. So Damien chooses n W as straight out
of Compton, surprised with Damien being from Brooklyn choosing a.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I think that record shift rep is going to nothing
else has since.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
That's certainly I wasn't alive, so I can't really call it,
but salute to that record, I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Jason Rodriguez, who also has been on the pop.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
I think Damien was a lot of industry at least
it wasn't straight a.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Compton with a eighty I want to say eighty six
eighty seven.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
How old was he?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I feel like he was born in eighty six. No,
if not good black on crack. If he's older than.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
That, I'm not going to age my friend Damien. I
was alive. I'll tell you that washed was alive. Jason
Rodriguez says Rapers Delight is so foundationally as inarguably the
most important song. Same for the message and my Adidas
or Adidas or any one DMC track is audio proof
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of how far hip hop can go. But for me,
there's one record that combines elements of all the above,
NWA's Fuck the Police, which is every bit the blueprint
as anything from sugar Hill Records. Plus it was a
commercial giant without corporate machinery, all the while displaying the
lyrical urgency and production billions of the culture's best work
at any point of its existence. Another East Coast personality
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choosing an NW ray song what is going on?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
And I don't know, I don't know what they were drinking?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Thanks to Jason Rodrigueus and Damien for those choices. And
then we have Cauz Kaz how is for z kaz
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Speaker 2 (26:30):
Hey? It was going on?
Speaker 7 (26:30):
Guys, this is Kaz Imaginy Networks and the Ringer and
points bet and say less with kaz Oki and Rosie
and I am giving my opinion just an opinion, and
the most important hip hop song of all time. My opinion,
the most important hip hop song of all time is
Juicy about the notories b I G. The greatest to
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ever do it obviously not so much just about his
his skill as a songwriter and an MC, but just
what it represents, right like, not only in his death
but in his life. This song sort of represents not
just the struggle, but like the opposite of that. And
it almost serves as like the hip hop version of
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don't Worry Be Happy You Feel Me? And I don't
think anybody up until that time have really vocalized exactly
what it meant to not only just rise up from
your certain situations. But you know, there was proof it
was aspirational, so it's almost it's almost like a pledge
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of allegiance if you're a hip hop fan, Like the
moment you hear the song, aside from the message, just
a great sounding song, and you can't help but repeat
the lyrics almost like it's a hymn, like it's a proverb,
Like it's, you know, almost a a creed to yourself
to live life to the fullest and do everything you
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can to come up out of a situation. So that's
my pick to Juicy most important hip hop song of
all times.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
And if you don't know, now you know that's Kays's selection.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
It was interesting to hear that Juicy is our version
of don't worry, Be Happy. That's not really how I
received Juicy. Is that with the messages behind the record, Yeah,
it's a it's.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
A message celebrating the transition from Rax Riches, Yeah, Rax
Richard being able to like celebrate it.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I never listened to Juicy and felt inspired, like a
song that inspires.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Me by Biggie would probably be like Sky's the Limit.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Same same thing, though it's the same, same up, same story.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
I hear that though don't Worry Be Happy he has
a little.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Bit more like don't worry be Happy to Juicy. I
just I would never compare that ever, so I don't
get it. But I'm about to get read the lyrics,
so maybe the lyrics.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
So it's good. Shahim Read was on our first season
of The What He Was on our episode where we
talked about the year of nineteen ninety eight. Shahim Read
hip hop journalist formerly of MTV News.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Good Front TV News.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Yeah, motherfuckers, can we play Shaw's response tea Happy Birthday
to hip hop Happy Birthday?
Speaker 8 (29:22):
Beautiful number fifty. When we're talking about the greatest hip
hop song of all time, it's so many great ones.
You got to think about Rappers Delight because that was
that was like really the first one to put the
culture on the map on a commercial level, bringing it
years forward. Tupac's keep your Head up, man, it's just poetry,
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beautiful lyrics that just touched upon life. But my choice,
I'm gonna go with the message. Grand Master Flash and
Furious five the way Melly Mel put it down. Melly
Mel was you know, he was wild in the streets
at the time that he made the message and that
he wrote the lyrics was he was wild in the streets.
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But when you think about the record and you listen
to the lyrics, it's still relevant to this day. You know,
everything that he talks about, we still go through a
lot of that today. The beat, the beat is so dope,
it could be a party beat. Ice Cube used it
to make it hit Puffin Mace used it to make
it hit. Coiler Ray sample didn't made a hit, so
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it's it's a generational thing. And then when you just
think about the song, the message and what is embodies.
They put it on in clubs, you can dance to it.
They put it on in part jams, you could.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Dance to it.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
But it was gangster, it was conscious, It was very lyrical,
it was hard, It touched your soul, and it was
a pioneering record that really set the standard of lyricism
for MC's to come. MELI Mel one of the greatest
of all time. So that's my choice.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
The message thanks to read.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I like how he brought it from from generations.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Yes, I thought that was a very good point. Cooler Ray,
you know, using the message and making a head out.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Of it too.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
So that brings us to our team because girls play
a king. You were up first, sir, Well.
Speaker 9 (31:22):
So my choice, you know obviously with privy to see
you know, some of the choices of the.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Audio, you just played right in this factor. I don't
know if you could have one in the moment.
Speaker 9 (31:34):
You know, this choice I came about because obviously you know,
I'm producing the Hip Hop the fiftieth podcast series. So
the name that comes up often in terms of being
a you know, a game changer is j Right.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
The song that I would say is I'm Bad.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
Where you have hip hop is going through a little
you know you have the message is right, you have
melty mail in the message.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
But they didn't have.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
That rap superstar that was hard dedic catered to the
ladies like he was kind of not I never seen
before he comes out he did. He put out the
EP at first radio, but then with a bigg endeffort
he gives you I'm bad and then.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
You know I need love, but I'm bad.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
It was a pure representation of like, oh ship, this
is a rap superstar that's talking that ship that got
the confidence, the cockiness, the bragg of datio, the audacity.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
So I'm gonna go with llll I'm Bad.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
That's a good choice. It was I'm Bad at b side.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Do we know a King?
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Or is that just a single.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
I'm thinking of? Was a single?
Speaker 5 (32:53):
There was that moment in Crush Groove where where Crush
Groove he does the when they do that autobiographical moment
of him doing that in front of Rick Rick Rubin.
But R Yeah, that's a good choice.
Speaker 9 (33:07):
Honestly, it's kind of like I said, it's kind of hard,
you know. I also initially my initial uh uh, I
thought was gonna go with Jen and Juice, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Yes, I'm from Brooklyn.
Speaker 9 (33:20):
And I said that because that song is like to
this day, you know, it's still impactful. But you know,
like I said, it just going back as Mouse and
Dolla alluded to when we think about impact, you know,
changing the course of where this hip hop thing could go. Well,
definitely when I'm Bad, you know, gave hip hoper different trajectory.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
In my opinion, that's a good choice. Thank you a King,
super producer, a King for that choice.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I like it. If I had to make a top
five list, so far from what husband said, I would
pull Juicy. I would pull Jenny Juice, and I would
pull something else. Somebody said.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Is of Light.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Yeah, before you give yours, I'm gonna give mine. We're
gonna end with Nelson now the host of the show.
My choice is Lotty Dottie by Slick Rick and Dougie Fresh.
I think when you think about fifty years of hip hop,
when you think about what Coolhirk did, he basically took
a breakbeat of another song and made a new song
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out of it. And I think Lotti Dottie, you know,
to me, it came to me later on in life
in a sense of this is a song where they
didn't use music. You know, Dougie Fresh is doing the beatbox.
That's an original beat that he's creating. That proves that
you don't need other music to create this art form.
You know, you don't need to sample, you can create
something out of be your own head. And that beatbox
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by doug Fresh on that is incredible that he does.
I think slick Rick with the storytelling on that song
is incredible. The song's been sampled over five hundred times.
Lotty Yatti itself. When you think about obviously hypnotize Ricky,
Ricky Ricky, can't you see somehow her words his hypnthesize
me that. That's all Biggie made a huge hit out
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of that. Even that hit it there's no really you know,
that's been used so many times. It takes two us
hit it went away Love, BC Boys did it, you know,
Naughty by Nature opp That hit it alone has been
sampled over twenty times for huge rap songs. Obviously Snoop
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did a cover of it on his first album, and
I Love Even Just a Wikipedia explanation of the song it.
Lotti Dottie is a lighthearted pop party song where mc
vicky d tells a seemingly autobiographical story of a typical
day in which he wakes up babes, gets stressed, and
upon leaving his apartment, is accosted by a female love
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interest and then by her mother, which is pretty spottle.
I mean, it's just a hell. When you listen to
this song itself, it's just a you know, it's probably
one of the first songs on radio that had swear
words with the wrinkled line. But it's a great song.
It's one of her best storytelling songs in my opinion
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as well. It's a fun song and it was a
B side to the show. So you really can't even
find Lotty Doddy the original version on any kind of
Spotify because it wasn't on any album. It did sample
the one Taste of Honey song, which is, uh, they
sampled that one line if you ricky Ricky rick No,
not that line. There's another line from Taste of Honey
(36:33):
that they sampled that you can't find. But Lotty Dotty
by Slick Rick my most important song.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I'm not adding that one to my list, but respect
to I like that record. Yeah, also reference Lotty Doddy
and her new single just Relaxed, so it lives on
there you go, it will continue to.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Is that The single where you're in the video video
rod choice is Yours by Black Set?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Yeah, yeah, you know why you don't want to talk
about that. Why do you wanna highlight that you're just breaking.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
It because it's not my videos. Yeah, but you're in
there for like two seconds.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
You know who else make cameos or the superstars in
the nineties where you would have ringing shot shut up,
you're now listening to the what hippop questions legend listen
will be right back after the break.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
All right, so you're gonna go, you gotta Okay, I'll go.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
So I'm just gonna go with again.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
It was hard to pick one, so don't really hold
me to this, but I'm gonna go with fifty cent
in the club.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And I say fifty cent in the club.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Just because I feel like, no matter how old you are,
you know the record. If you're a hip hop fan,
no matter what color you are, you know that record.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
If you're a hip hop fan.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
When I study abroad, I'm all over Europe, every country
I went to, and if I went to the club,
I would hear fifty cent in the club. So yeah,
and then if we're gonna talk impact, We've had I
feel like a thousand podcast episodes where we talked about
fifty cents impact on hip hop, being the ah man
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out breaking through regardless of circumstance, and you.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Know, and I'm a student of the game.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
So when I started DJing, I would follow a lot
of older New York DJs or whatever the case may be,
and a lot of them love to do story time
about the tunnel. So I heard so many stories about it,
but one of my favorite stories that I would hear
is that when fifty cent Get Rich or Die Try
and came out, you couldn't play no other record but
that I'll repeat. So it's like you know when you
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go to a listening party with your favorite artists and like,
can I hear that song again? This is at the
club though I've never got to experience anything like that,
but it's just admirable and I wish i'd did.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
So that's my pick.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Great opening line, one of the best open lines in
hip hop history. Yeah, great beat, great opening beat. We
talked about that on a couple episodes ago.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
And it's universal, like you know because video you great
Rappers the Light. Right now, I don't really know how
many people on the younger spectrum would know, but if
you play in the club, I will God hope that
they know. I feel like they would know.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
I definitely would put in the in the club over
Rappers The Light. As far as importance, Rapper the Light
took a seventies disco song and just put a loop
on it.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yeah, and just but they start rapped.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
For ten minutes because they talked about this, like just
because you were first doesn't mean you were the most
important or the best at this point.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
But I say important. I guess we said important is impact.
But it's like if it wasn't them, then it wouldn't
be the rest. So that's why for as far as
the word important.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Someone would have done it. No, someone would have done it.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
If it's not sugar Hill Gang, we don't have hip hop.
Three other guys couldn't have did that. Three other guys
could not have whether you know Big Big Hank, Stole, Grandmaster,
Cas Rhyme or whatever.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Those three dudes right there.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Like I spoke earlier about the Kanye Kanye performing those records,
it is magic in a bottle that those three guys
were able to do. Nobody else could have did that.
And if it doesn't hip hop, it is not what
it is today. So that's the only reason I say,
I don't think that the discussion around Rapid Delight is
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they were there first, because technically they weren't there first.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
It was there was rap. You know, rap had been shown.
What was since since what Cindy Lofer she was rapping
like there was rap.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
With Blondie Blondie Blonde.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
And then there was you know, there was people were
hearing about it and utilizing its song before then. So
I don't know. That's tough in the club over Rapid Delight,
It's tough. That's tough.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
There comes a point in time when you have to
weigh the being first versus other culturals, you know, And yeah,
being first gives you a lot of points, but it
doesn't give you more points. And what in the club
did to me?
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Okay, I mean, yes, there's more.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
There's way more cultural cachet within the club than there
ever was a Rapids with Rapid Delight.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Yes, all right, mister mouse, you're on the clock, all right,
Well you.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Might as well run this clock out because I cannot.
I can't. I can't say one. I thought about it
and I can't pick one.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
We may have to do tomatoes you have.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
It's impossible. It is impossible to have a jay Z song.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
I just knew you're gonna say, jay Z.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Well, that's why you just knew nothing.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
That's why.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
All right, So like to myself, I was writing down
a list of songs, right and the club is on there,
Walk this way, run, DMC.
Speaker 7 (42:24):
Is on there.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
There's Summer by jay Z is on there.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Big Pimping by jay Z is on there, All about
the Benjamin's Bling, Blaine, the Message Shook ones, I Need
Love llll Cool j Love is Blind by Eve, Fuck
the Police by.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
W These are all songs that you did some work.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
That can literally say or I can make a legitimate
Are you saying these are the most important songs? All
about the Benjamins takes everything that all about the Benjamin
puff Daddy, took everything that you said about him, took
every critique and said, oh yeah, watch the Jiggy Rat
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real Rap, gangst the rap infectious song.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Out of all the names you just, out of the
songs you just named, I would definitely go with all
of us like that.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
How do you tell me that's not the most important
song on hip hop? He did everything that you said,
any criticue you had a puff Daddy up until that point. Oh,
it's all Sandy, Suit's all, It's all, It's all the
souls Sam All.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
He just remixed.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah, and that song had a major impact. And even
if kids don't know that song, they at least know that,
Like they know that beat.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Everybody knows.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
You know Kim's verse, you know Biggs verse, You know,
you know Kisses verse, you know Sheikhs verse, you know Puffs.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
Verse, which is written by kiss.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Like come on, like, come on, what am I supposed
to say to this? But then I can make the
argument against that song with a song like Love is
Blind by Eve. We've never heard a woman speak that openly,
that directly to domestic violence.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
No, that's not domestic violence.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Like you've talked about something that at the time the
numbers were.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Say that you put your hands on me again, what
is it? It's on the second verse she talks about domestic violence.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
This whole song was domestic violence, and like.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
The Eve being the domineering savior, like everybody, I.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Don't even know you want to hate you? Oh I
knew it was. My girlfriend used to think like she
painted that picture.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
And I think, I think, far be it from me
to have faith in hip hop.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
But I think even for a moment, everyone.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Kind of stood back understood how insidious this thing is. Right,
say on the same thing, ain't nothing but a g
thing without nothing.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
But a g thing. Hip hop for what we talked
about a few weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
The misogyny and and patriarchy, and in all this.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
That is where it starts. It starts right there.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
Now, obviously I'm sure that they were disrespecting women in
raps and straight out of Compton, wa But nothing started
like that like that right there, ain't nothing but a
g thing gave hip. Whatever we feel about it today,
it gave it.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
It's machismo right there.
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Created an archetype exactly.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
That's what I'm looking to say, created an archetype. Big
pimpin it shows you where we're going. The marriage between
the merging between up North down South legends at the
time they were the same. At the time, they were
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the same, just on different parts. Brings them together. Another
archetype is created because now every video got to look
like this, Dear Summer. We got to see a human
engage with his mortality.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
He's retiring. We never thought we would see this.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
You just in hip hop up until that time, you
rapped until nobody want to hear you no more. And
then you then became the guy who releases projects on.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
You want it right, like.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
Those shots at those guys, but you become those guys
and then you have like a deal that's no longer
worth anything, and you make music that nobody really listened
to anymore.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Over there, right, No, jay Z is taking control of that.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
I think one thing Nyla and I will probably both
agree on with your list Mouse is Love Is Blind
and Dear Summer, as magnificant as those songs were, did
not have enough mainstream success to be considered in that
in that top.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Once again, it goes to the argument of what but
you have to have a look of course.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
Yeah, I mean even when you think about Lottie, Dottie
wasn't the biggest hit. I mean, like, but there are
there has to be some kind of club and radio.
If it doesn't hit radio, I mean, if it doesn't
hit video, then maybe hits the club. If it doesn't
hit the club, then maybe it has another you know,
just trying to check that box.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
There's definitely some.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
You said, I would only give it to all about
the Benjamin.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
How do we ignore bling bling? I think, how do
we ignore that song is one of the as the
most important song in hip.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Hop make a list? I would think, like the.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Word now is in the dictionary, It's used everywhere.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
As Netflix shows with blinging it if the.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Kids, if the kids don't know about.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
It, you'll think kids know about bling blink.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
They might know about it.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
I think you've refern to Deer Summer or or Love
is Blind.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Yeah, I say, yeah, all about the Benjamins, Yes, bling blink.
I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Fuck the police the foundation of uh the lays the
foundation of the protest song? Yeah, no, no, fuck the police.
We don't get a fight the power. No, fight the
power we don't get or right like, we don't get
a self destruction like we don't get so as I like.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
A, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yes to the fund the police. We wouldn't get all those.
But all the songs that you're naming.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Aren't global.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Fuck the Police isn't global.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
You said, no, no, no, you name some under them.
Speaker 5 (48:51):
Love is Blind and Love is Blind.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
I would I could make argument for Dear Someone being global, But.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Sure, what did you just name under the police? You said,
if we didn't get fucking police, you wouldn't have X
Y X power.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Oh, fight the power.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
That's not a global song.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
It's global.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
But is anybody now talking about fuck the police? Like
when we have protests, we're not saying the police. When
we have protests, we're not playing for the police, be
playing Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 4 (49:17):
Alright, yeah, but in that moment you want to make
sure you're not getting caught up in the times. You're
still saying fuck the police though, when they're when when
they're out there marching and chatting, when no signs is up,
they say fuck the police.
Speaker 5 (49:30):
I guess, and that's Jason's pick, fuck the police.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
Yeah, So like this is hard, and so I feel
like I wouldn't, like I can't ignore the message like
I can't. I can't ignore pay them full, like pay
them full changes, I'm sorry. Eric Beef for President. That's
their first single that changes. It literally changes from eighty
(49:53):
six on changes the way. It goes back to what
I said about pop Smoke. If you look at it,
no one before was rapping like rock Kim. It was
ha ha, even.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Mellie melting into the mic, as lyrical.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
As he was, as introspective as he was, he had
unconscious wordplay.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
It was still under the guise.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
Of broken glass everywhere, people pissling on the stages like
they just don't care, can't now. Rock Kim said, listen
to what I'm about to say. I made it ease.
Speaker 5 (50:24):
That's a good plus was coming mob came out of
Eric be as President.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
I'm just saying, like it's it's so hard to pick
these this to pick a song that that I feel.
Speaker 5 (50:40):
Five favorite rap song back in the day was Eric
be as President.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
It's Mine, It is Mine. That is my favorite rap
song of all time? But is that the most important?
I can make arguments against. I can make arguments for
every song I put on my list, and make arguments
using those same songs against other songs on my list.
Speaker 5 (50:58):
You can make an argument from Crean I.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Could, it's on the list. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
I did not to bring but cream just as important
as any of these records. So how do I sit
here when it comes to me in what we do
on camera audibly the journalist of it all. I have
to be able to say when I say something, I
(51:24):
have to be able to say I can stand behind it.
And I don't know if saying If me saying one song,
I'd be able to stand behind.
Speaker 5 (51:33):
Today, I may tenth to twenty twenty three mouses I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
I'm saying I can't. I can't say one. I can't
say one because I.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
Would not be able to stand behind it tomorrow. Tomorrow
would have a different answer. I might have a different
answer in two hours. But boy, oh boy, there's all
about the Benjamin make it fucking hard not to say it's.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
The most important and song of hip hop fifty years.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Then I'll want you on that one.
Speaker 5 (52:11):
There's not that rock remix rock. Loved the rock remix,
and I knew you would.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
Love and loved the video, loved for the fucking video running.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
I was like, oh, I wanted to be my high school.
Speaker 5 (52:30):
Now take us out.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
So to answer the question, we didn't really answer it cohesively.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Yeah, fifty years of hip hop, it'll do it to you.
That's a good thing. Fifty years.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
Then we all had like one unanimous answer. I'd be like, oh,
I don't think we have another fifty years, guys.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
Like you see how like people are like other cultures
are able to get together.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
And like this, this is it. I'm like, yeah, that's
why your music sucks.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
Okay, I'm not disagreeing with that either.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Actually, yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (53:04):
Genre genre genre beefs boy hip hop over rock any day.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
They all agree to Beats was the best.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
I'm not standing with you on that, but I feel
you crazy.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah that's crazy. Leave me hanging that Roby.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
Because, like what, I like other genres more than hip hop.
I ain't say that genres. I like other genres also.
But so to answer today's question, what is the most
important hip hop song of all time? We don't know,
we don't know. This is the first time we don't
know the answer.
Speaker 5 (53:39):
But what was your choice?
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Again?
Speaker 1 (53:43):
In the club mouse.
Speaker 4 (53:47):
All about That's what I don't have one about, don't
I don't.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
That's the beautiful thing about having.
Speaker 5 (53:55):
He's all about the Benjamin's is sticking his head out
right now, It's.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Sticking his head out. It's definitely it.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
This is what I said before, All about the Benjamin's
makes it makes it very hard for me to say
any other.
Speaker 5 (54:06):
Song A King A King's is I'm Bad by ll
Mine is Lottie Dotty.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Which was crazy. I definitely had you going crazy, definitely.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
Had And thanks to all Shahem Read, Jason Rodrigez Kaz
and Jamie Lemon for sending in their choices what's yours?
Speaker 2 (54:27):
I don't know?
Speaker 1 (54:28):
I was thinking why why nobody mentioned Missy Elliott?
Speaker 5 (54:31):
And I was like, I feel like, Missy Elliott, get
your freaking.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (54:38):
Rock and roll Hall of Fame nominee Missy Elliott.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
I mean I love Missy damn it.
Speaker 4 (54:43):
See now I feel like a ship because I didn't
even have any of those records on my list.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
I don't feel bad just because it's like it's like
if no one said Missy, well, no one said Queen,
no one said she like, no one said a lot
of people like that.
Speaker 5 (54:56):
That isn't lost ones.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Yeah, this is X factor.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
I mean, he's not lying though.
Speaker 4 (55:04):
You refer to her as queen. That's what you say
I'm talking about. Never heard anyone called like just shorten
it to queen. Heard Latifa shout out to you.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
He knew I was talking about everybody knows Jersey connection.
Oh please, oh please? But okay, so yeah, this one.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
We don't have a final answer, but I hope you
guys enjoyed today's episode.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
For what hip Hop Questions, Let's.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
List, we talked about the most important rap songs. I
know you're probably over here thinking, like, y'all miss one.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Okay, well, let us know.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
Which one we missed, because I'm I'm still puzzled by
the damn question.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah. It was definitely chaos, but.
Speaker 3 (55:47):
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What's up, guys, and welcome to the What hip Hop
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
That puts juxon and juxtaposition Mouse Jones.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Yes, and today we are going to ask one of
the hardest questions out of all the seasons that.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We've ever done.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
This is the hardest question about hip hop. This is
the hardest question about the music.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I've ever been asked.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I really don't like this question.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I like the question because it's the debate, but I
don't like the questions because I can't pick an answer.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I mean, okay, we're in agreement, then okay, we're in agreement.
Everyone who's been able to answer this, I'm like, go
to hell, because how you answer this question.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's hard, and.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
To be fair to those who picked the ones that
they picked, because we have some of our friends who
have chimed in friends of the pod.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, friends of the.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Pod, respect to their picks, but it's just so hard.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Curators of hip hop.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Cure Yeah, you mean, listen, this is chuck shout outs.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Shout out to d Block because one thing you're gonna
do is keep the show interesting because I don't know
like I was getting mad, I was like getting viscerally upset,
like thinking about this, and I was like, what is
the answer, because there's so many there's so many different
answers for so many effer.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Complex That's what I'm saying. He's like, you pick your song.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yet I'm like, even last him, I'm like, no, no.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Actually no I didn't. Yes, actually no.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I did it. And it's frustrating me that you will
remind me that I.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Had to think about this challenging ask question.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
So today's question that we will answer, hopefully yes, is
what is the most important hip hop song of all times?
Speaker 5 (01:44):
I hope it is the fiftieth anniversary of hip hop
this year. This is kind of our episode that to
pick one, well, I just think that if we do list,
which we we've done lists on this and we've done
lists very well on this pod, but sometimes we spend
so much time getting to number one. I wanted us
to spend time speaking about why that number one, that's
(02:05):
our number one, So that time spent, producer, that time spent,
I want on that song, not five four three two.
You can mention the other songs that are in your list,
but I want most of your effort and bandwidth spent.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
On that song, you know, but I'll say compared to
our other list, it was just more marginalized. Where this
is the entire hip like hip hop, the most important
song in hip hop.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
It's such a big culture.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And there's there's so many layers to it that would
really I feel like it would just come down to
preference and your point of jury.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
What makes what makes a song important?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I think I think that goes back to what we
were talking abou a few weeks ago, like that discussion
about impact, right, Like what was the impact of this
song not just from a to consumer level, but like
as a mass consumption thing, Like what did the masses
get out of this?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Right? Like?
Speaker 4 (03:06):
One person put out this thing and everybody felt it
was invigorated.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
By it, was influenced by it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
So, I think when we're talking about what's important as
in as it compares to what's big, right, Like there's
a bunch of songs that's big, not important, Yeah, right,
like Ice Ice Baby, big, huge, huge song. Is it important?
I don't think so?
Speaker 5 (03:36):
No, you get what I'm saying, Like that's a great example.
So it's sold a lot of records, but it's not important.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Isn't important?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Like I think when we're talking about important, Yeah, like
I said, for me personally, I just think the impact
of a song is what makes it important. Like can
I look at this, Like when I look at certain
songs that you know that's obviously on my list or
that I had trouble trying to decide which one to
talk about, every single one of those songs were important,
(04:07):
whether it's a marker in time or a marker in
transition of music, or being the first to do something,
or even being important enough to just be infectious, right,
Because then there's songs that's on the opposite end of
what I said earlier, where there's songs that are big
but important, But then there are also songs that are
(04:29):
not big and are important, like you know we can
talk about right now.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
For me, like shook Ones, was it hard?
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Had a hard time not saying it's one of it's
not an important song because although it's not as big
as it's contemporaries, I don't know if it's even my
Beep's biggest record commercially, but it's super important.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Like you don't you don't hear that.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
You don't hear that and not get you even watch
like what's that eminem movie eight Mile and when he's
rapping up, I'm.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Just I'm like, yo, we're here, Oh my god, here shit,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
And it became something bigger than itself. It became something
in the zeitgeist of hip hop, right, like or bigger
than hip hop.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Right.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
We've heard sports analysts use it, even though there's a
you know, there's a direct connection between sports and hip hop,
but just the term shook ones is bigger than just
that song.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It transcended you know.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
What I'm saying. And it's not a big song, but
it's important. Yeah, what makes the song important to you?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying to think. I agree
with you. I think impact is very important.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I think I would also say, hmm, it's most important
hip hop song of all time.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I'm really puzzled.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I'm not even gonna lie. I'm really puzzled. And what
I was gonna say pretty much is the same thing
as impact.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So I'm trying to figure out word.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Can a song over the last twenty years you can
consider it important? Like that's been released in the two thousand, that's.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Why I was, That's why I believe immediately when when
you brought this topic to us, immediately, I was like,
you can't answer that question right because who knows if.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
That songe was created at right?
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Like to say the most important that's a finite thing,
like no matter what happened, this song is gonna and
I don't know that to be certain.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And then I even tried to take a different approach, like, Okay,
what's the most important hip hop song to me?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Like not even just like let me not be an outsider,
let me make it personal. I still can't. Yeah, I
was just like even worse. So, yeah, Darren, I hate
this topic.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
I will say even as an old head, as a
as part of the washed young, and something in the middle,
I'll say pop smokes, Welcome to the party or do You?
Or do You are two important songs that will have
legacy after twenty years from now that people will say
that was an important song.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
All right, I'm ready to say my song right now?
Speaker 5 (07:10):
You got to hold your song ahead, hold your song.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I can't do this no more, man hold it.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
But so yeah, and also obviously Kendrick's all Right will
be considered an important song, and it still is an
important song. But when you think about songs released over
the last twenty years, you know, you have to think
about what time does to music and make it creates
a legacy for it.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Here you got like, yeah, like you said it perfectly like.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
And that goes back to what I was saying before,
Like when I think of an important song, I think
of Markers.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You here, welcome to the party. Immediately you remember, there
wasn't this before this, Yeah, right, Like this sound wasn't.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
This before he came out before him, It wasn't anything
like this after him. It's all been a horrible almost there. Oh,
that's almost possible. I almost get that feeling. Almost sounds
like where he was going with it.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
So it's like, Drake have an important song? Best I
ever had? Is that an important song?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I wouldn't say I think Drake just has big songs.
I don't think he has important songs. Yet what give
me an important song? Like Drake?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
His existence is important. The mere fact that Drake's exists
is important. But if I had to go pick a cattle,
if I had to go into his catalog and say,
I'm gonna take this one song and all its entities,
and I'm gonna put it in a time capsule, and
I'm going to close it up, and I'm going to
bury it deep in the Earth's core, and in one
hundred years, somebody's gonna find it, and when they hear it,
(08:48):
they're gonna know this was this. I don't think he
has that yet. I think he has big songs. You
can't argue the big song.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
So the song that I would pick by Drake if
I had to be like best hip hop song by Drake,
I think I would probably pick pound Cake feature in
jay Z, like I love that record. When I picked
that for this conversation today, like I think, I think
blog era rappers Drake is included in that up we
should exclude, Like, I think it's because that's not the
(09:18):
twenty year mark.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
They need three more years to get to that.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
No, he said within the past twenty years, Oh, I thought,
not twenty years.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And before he said within the past twenty years.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Oh, he posted two thousands. So I mean, even like you.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Know, but even even that one, like I would say
pound Cake, But then like impact, that record didn't really.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Have impact, but Drake has impact.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
But Drake has it.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
You see what I'm saying, Drake, Drake is bigger. And
I've said this for years.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Drake is bigger than his catalog, and I think sometimes
it does him at dis service, even to me as
someone who has an opinion on hip hop, when I
talk about Drake, I don't think Drake has a complete
we're talking about Albu, I'm not talking about so far going,
if we're talking about this album. I don't think Drake
has a complete, unanimous classic. Yet he has an album
(10:09):
that that came really really close and take Care, but
even take Care had had a lot left a lot
to be wondered about his completeness as an artist.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yes, yes, yes, we agree. Take Care is great. It's
not classic. I guess.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I think take Care as a classic, I do, Okay.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I can't argue what you think, but what I can
say is, if we look at the critique.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I think any of his albums take Care that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
But that doesn't make it a classic. And that's what
I and that's what I even.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
That if you're reading this, it is too late, I
would say take Care and if you're reading this, it's
too late only because so.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
It's watch it.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Fetty watched first album of Classic No, so why is
if you're feeling it?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
If you and this, it's too late because of the
impact had the same impact. It was an album.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
First album had the same.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Look at the numbers.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
No, no, no, I don't mean I don't mean number impact.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I mean everything. I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Cultural impact. Yes, if you're reading this, you're too late.
Had the same.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Cultural one, the same number queen.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Look, I'm not I'm not, but I'm not talking about numbers.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I'm talking about you. If you're talking about impact.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
If you're reading this, too late was a soulless album
that gave you hits.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
It was hits, hit hits. There was no craftness that
he tried to do with other albums.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I don't think it was hits his hits because he
was rapping and he was talking about Now. When I
think of hits, I think of like God's plan, Like
that's like a mainstream hit.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
If you're reading this isn't hits.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Pull up track, Queen, and I'm gonna pull up. If
you're reading this, it's too late, all right.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Track Queen. Well, two point one million is where Fatty WAPs.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Album and all those numbers be a lie. I don't care.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Yeah, it is streaming.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So we got legend, hit hit energy.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
But these are like but these these are hits to us?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
No, no, no, these are these are these are be
a world whide hit. You drop these records, everyone's going
in sing ten bands hit, no yourself hit, maybe not
no telling.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Maybe that's ours Madonna, that's.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Ours, Oh I love Madonna.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Six God's preach another one? What are we have? Five?
Six record? Now you Go, Now, you go to, You
go To, You go to, You go to.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Fetti Wat's first album, same thing, A bunch of hits,
no soul.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I'm not saying this to discretion.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I don't know what you mean by no soul.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I'm just gonna if you go.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I think that there was a story and take care.
There was a story and nothing was the same.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
There was a story in this too.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
What's the story?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
This story is on each song? Legend, there's literally a
story in each song.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You wouldn't write these songs.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I'm just being honest, Okay, legend, there's no story in legend.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
If I die, I'm He.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Set the tone with that, then he went into energy,
saying like I'm tired of you niggas.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I'm that nigga.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Then yourself, Well, this isn't about never hearing, so this
is just about I don't know, I don't I think
you're under or just not giving proper credits.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I'm giving him all the credit.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I'm saying we are in agreement that take Care is
a great album.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Take Care is an amazing album, Yes, but it's not
a class I think it's a classic.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You said you only.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Gave it a classic compared to his other album. Would
you deem it a classic next to other classic albums.
I only hear people say take Care of the classic
to his album.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I'll say this, My personal favorite Drake album is Views.
And I recently went back and listen to take Care
because everybody or somebody put out something and said that
take Care is this on the third Twitter's like yeah,
take Care and take Care.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So I'm like, damn, Okay. Then I went back and
listened to it. I'm like, damn.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
There's a lot of hits on this project and I
and I understand why they consider it the classic because
it takes you back.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
It really misses like what. There's a lot of missus practice.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
For one, I love practice.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
That was before.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I know, but it's it's a miss. That was that
was that Marvin.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Drum a miss? Stop?
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Please let's get out of the drink.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Please stop, because yeah, because Mars is a miss. Just
because you hate that song.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
One of the album, I don't even and I love
you know how I feel about Kendred. You may not
find a bigger Kindred fan than me. But that fucking
Marvin drum interlude using Kindred is super weird. It's weird,
is weird.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
That's the only thing I agree on so far that
the Kendrick feature is.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
A little weird, but city.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
But if you I think what you.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
What?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
You actually listen to the record, you see that he's
telling the story of when they met three That's why
it's cool because now they're all legends.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Answer my question, man, why are you getting on my nerves?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Take care of the classic so you currently listen to
what hip hop questions legends and list will be right
back after this break.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
There's no role models, an important song getting back to important.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Songs, No role models. No, that's the one we're picking
out a call.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
I'm just like it's a big song, but it's also
was significant.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
As I said earlier, big doesn't necessarily mean important.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
I'm just what about Little Wayne's.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Millie important soul? Big soul?
Speaker 5 (15:52):
What's the most important Little Wayne song of the last
twenty years? Would you say that.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I can't see that a million is the most important
Little Wayne song last twenty years.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
He might be. It has to be between that and lollipops.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
So much he has big songs important changes the trajectory
of music. Six foot seven, Oh, I would say it's
between a million lollipop.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I would just go with a MILLI even down to
the red skinny jeans.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Just about Kanye's important songs, I think is probably important.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I think Kanye, I think you would have to and
this is gonna sound crazy. We can have an easier
conversation talking about creating a list of his not important songs.
I think it's not it's and it's kind of unfair
to everyone else because Kanye is a producer as well,
So it's not just a rapper going into the booth.
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It's a producer going into the booth every song. And
he had an agenda, he had something to prove, whether
it was constribed within itself. Like you know, some of
the conversations around genius or it's just he has to unapproved,
but he did it every song out.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Do you think Jesus Walks is more important than Runaway?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yes, run Away.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Run Away is my favorite Kanye.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Runaway is a is a cementing record. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Hey, if y'all thought I was going to fall off,
if you thought I was going to keep doing this
over here and I was just a sole sample guy,
if you thought that watch this can get this is hard.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
I mean Jesus Walks got him into a whole different
audience obviously, I think.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, production wise, like I feel like.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
You think got him into a different audience. I think
I'm just asking.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Yeah, I think rage that he hasn't come back from
with run Away.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
I think run Away it can. I think his fans
were like, Okay, so if we look at this like
like post apocalyptic shows, right before Runaway, all the fans
are seemingly normal humans and everything is fine, and then
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something about Runaway in the clothes and just that esthetic
he was giving away it.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Can it infected them?
Speaker 4 (18:29):
And then you've seen that the fan base got a
lot more rucous and a lot more ragey. And it
was the fan base we see now right where I
think prior to run Away, I think his fans were
able to criticize him for what was wrong, be able
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to point out what was wrong, hold him accountable this,
and then after Runaway they were It's like it's like.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
They got the court, the courtyceps from the last of Us.
That's what happened.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
So yeah, I think Runaway extended like just like the
musical palette for hip hop, like you wise, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Yeah, So I think when you talk about shook Ones,
you talked about a thing that's very important, not just
in hip hop but just a lot of culture and arts.
Is that you know, we talk about a rapper's favorite rapper,
a rapper's favorite rap song, you know, a comedian's favorite comedian.
It's not usually the most popular thing, but it's this
thing that if you play at the right time in
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a club or anywhere, everyone's is gonna go bananas because
it's not over it's not particularly overplayed from mass consumption. Right,
It's something that everybody does know, like shook Ones, but
it wasn't like a billion type streamers, right right. So
I do think that like when we talk about as
we go deeper and we talk about this topic, it's
important to always come back to that, you know, because
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it's about like not just the mass consumption of it all,
but just kind of like this is a song that
everybody knows and loves.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
And you know that whenever you play a song of
all the time, isn't it supposed to be about mass consumption?
Speaker 5 (20:04):
It's triggering both those boxes, right, like hitting both boxes
where it is a song that everybody who knows rap knows,
but you know, even not just Vanilla ICE's Ice Ice Baby,
but you know, bust a Move by Young and See
or wild Thing. Those were like one hit wonders that
really had no real significance.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
They were popular songs, but they had no meaning.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
It's like the broccoli on your plate. You eat it,
it's part of the meal. But if somebody asked you
about the meal, you're gonna talk about that steak. You're
gonna talk about how well the chicken was done. Rarely
is anyone gonna be like.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Oh the broccoli. I don't eat meat, me neither. But
I'm just saying, like the shripre the stripe to perfection,
I see some difficult but you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Like, no one's talking about oh, the college fly, We're
just Oh, the mash potatoes were just to die for.
You're talking about what you ordered. You're talking about the
thing you ordered, what got you to the you know,
if you were to talk about if you were to
talk about the broccoli, if you were to talk about
the mash potatoes, it would be it would be indicative
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or it would be an indictment against the thing you ordered.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And I think that's right. So when we talk about some.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Of these songs or like we've heard old heads do
all the time, like oh, well you look at this
and look at this, look at this, that's an indictment
of the time, right, Like, all right, if you talk
about this song and you talk about the young Las
and this, and you know, I guess you know hip
hop was it was a little shaky at that moment.
But when we talk about these records over here, this
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shows hip hop's capability.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
This shows the depth of hip hop.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
And that's when when you talk about Runaway versus Jesus Walks,
you feel like Runaway has more of a premium quality
about it, right, I mean.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
No, I think I think has the has the premium quality.
I think I think Runaway was like, uh, run away,
the nice car that you just souped up, it was
already a nice car. But to me, Jesus walked, you
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built that from scratch. You built that. We watched him
build that car from scratch. And also it was and.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
He didn't write that song.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
No, mm hmm, you didn't, right, Jesus walks.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Okay, we don't want to go on to change formed
in that song.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Hustlers, dealers, even the drug dealers shot to ron.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Fess him building it brooke by brick. Sure, that's crazy,
like he didn't write it.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I don't need my producer to be a writer.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I thought we were talking about the best hip hop
song of all.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Time, and I think he didn't create that.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
And then we got into Kanye Jesus Walk versus Kanye Runaway, Runaway,
and then you said, but he built We watched him
built this brick by brick.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
But it's not really So do you.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Do you do you do you enjoy or do you
have a do you have a reverence any less of
a reverence for the dude by Quincy Jones because he
didn't play those instruments.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
No, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I'm just saying he ain't build it brick by brick,
That's all I'm saying. No, I'm just it's.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Not built brick by brick by him. We didn't want
like we watched we put it together.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
So did Quincy Jones not build?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
We watched, we watched him put it together.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
He didn't play any other message, he didn't play any
other instruments.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, but he put it together. He produced.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Did Kanye not do that? He made the beat?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
He said, he did this by brick, I'm saying, and
someone else wrote the record.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
He went, So he hired a day labor.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
So let's let's get into our choices, all right. So
we're gonna now dive into thankful for some of our
friends who are, you know, hip hop curators themselves and
have been in this culture their whole lives, and also
have been on our pod. Damien Lemon, comedian and huge
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hip hop fan. He sent me a text for his
choice for most important hip hop song. He said, as
much as I want to say the message or fight
the power, I'm going with straight out of Compton. I
think that record shifted rap in a way nothing else
has since. So Damien chooses n W as straight out
of Compton, surprised with Damien being from Brooklyn choosing a.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I think that record shift rep is going to nothing
else has since.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
That's certainly I wasn't alive, so I can't really call it,
but salute to that record, I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Jason Rodriguez, who also has been on the pop.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
I think Damien was a lot of industry at least
it wasn't straight a.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Compton with a eighty I want to say eighty six
eighty seven.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
How old was he?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I feel like he was born in eighty six. No,
if not good black on crack. If he's older than.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
That, I'm not going to age my friend Damien. I
was alive. I'll tell you that washed was alive. Jason
Rodriguez says Rapers Delight is so foundationally as inarguably the
most important song. Same for the message and my Adidas
or Adidas or any one DMC track is audio proof
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of how far hip hop can go. But for me,
there's one record that combines elements of all the above,
NWA's Fuck the Police, which is every bit the blueprint
as anything from sugar Hill Records. Plus it was a
commercial giant without corporate machinery, all the while displaying the
lyrical urgency and production billions of the culture's best work
at any point of its existence. Another East Coast personality
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choosing an NW ray song what is going on?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
And I don't know, I don't know what they were drinking?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Thanks to Jason Rodrigueus and Damien for those choices. And
then we have Cauz Kaz how is for z kaz
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Speaker 2 (26:30):
Hey? It was going on?
Speaker 7 (26:30):
Guys, this is Kaz Imaginy Networks and the Ringer and
points bet and say less with kaz Oki and Rosie
and I am giving my opinion just an opinion, and
the most important hip hop song of all time. My opinion,
the most important hip hop song of all time is
Juicy about the notories b I G. The greatest to
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ever do it obviously not so much just about his
his skill as a songwriter and an MC, but just
what it represents, right like, not only in his death
but in his life. This song sort of represents not
just the struggle, but like the opposite of that. And
it almost serves as like the hip hop version of
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don't Worry Be Happy You Feel Me? And I don't
think anybody up until that time have really vocalized exactly
what it meant to not only just rise up from
your certain situations. But you know, there was proof it
was aspirational, so it's almost it's almost like a pledge
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of allegiance if you're a hip hop fan, Like the
moment you hear the song, aside from the message, just
a great sounding song, and you can't help but repeat
the lyrics almost like it's a hymn, like it's a proverb,
Like it's, you know, almost a a creed to yourself
to live life to the fullest and do everything you
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can to come up out of a situation. So that's
my pick to Juicy most important hip hop song of
all times.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
And if you don't know, now you know that's Kays's selection.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
It was interesting to hear that Juicy is our version
of don't worry, Be Happy. That's not really how I
received Juicy. Is that with the messages behind the record, Yeah,
it's a it's.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
A message celebrating the transition from Rax Riches, Yeah, Rax
Richard being able to like celebrate it.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I never listened to Juicy and felt inspired, like a
song that inspires.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Me by Biggie would probably be like Sky's the Limit.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Same same thing, though it's the same, same up, same story.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
I hear that though don't Worry Be Happy he has
a little.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Bit more like don't worry be Happy to Juicy. I
just I would never compare that ever, so I don't
get it. But I'm about to get read the lyrics,
so maybe the lyrics.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
So it's good. Shahim Read was on our first season
of The What He Was on our episode where we
talked about the year of nineteen ninety eight. Shahim Read
hip hop journalist formerly of MTV News.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Good Front TV News.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Yeah, motherfuckers, can we play Shaw's response tea Happy Birthday
to hip hop Happy Birthday?
Speaker 8 (29:22):
Beautiful number fifty. When we're talking about the greatest hip
hop song of all time, it's so many great ones.
You got to think about Rappers Delight because that was
that was like really the first one to put the
culture on the map on a commercial level, bringing it
years forward. Tupac's keep your Head up, man, it's just poetry,
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beautiful lyrics that just touched upon life. But my choice,
I'm gonna go with the message. Grand Master Flash and
Furious five the way Melly Mel put it down. Melly
Mel was you know, he was wild in the streets
at the time that he made the message and that
he wrote the lyrics was he was wild in the streets.
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But when you think about the record and you listen
to the lyrics, it's still relevant to this day. You know,
everything that he talks about, we still go through a
lot of that today. The beat, the beat is so dope,
it could be a party beat. Ice Cube used it
to make it hit Puffin Mace used it to make
it hit. Coiler Ray sample didn't made a hit, so
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it's it's a generational thing. And then when you just
think about the song, the message and what is embodies.
They put it on in clubs, you can dance to it.
They put it on in part jams, you could.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Dance to it.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
But it was gangster, it was conscious, It was very lyrical,
it was hard, It touched your soul, and it was
a pioneering record that really set the standard of lyricism
for MC's to come. MELI Mel one of the greatest
of all time. So that's my choice.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
The message thanks to read.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I like how he brought it from from generations.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Yes, I thought that was a very good point. Cooler Ray,
you know, using the message and making a head out.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Of it too.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
So that brings us to our team because girls play
a king. You were up first, sir, Well.
Speaker 9 (31:22):
So my choice, you know obviously with privy to see
you know, some of the choices of the.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Audio, you just played right in this factor. I don't
know if you could have one in the moment.
Speaker 9 (31:34):
You know, this choice I came about because obviously you know,
I'm producing the Hip Hop the fiftieth podcast series. So
the name that comes up often in terms of being
a you know, a game changer is j Right.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
The song that I would say is I'm Bad.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
Where you have hip hop is going through a little
you know you have the message is right, you have
melty mail in the message.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
But they didn't have.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
That rap superstar that was hard dedic catered to the
ladies like he was kind of not I never seen
before he comes out he did. He put out the
EP at first radio, but then with a bigg endeffort
he gives you I'm bad and then.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
You know I need love, but I'm bad.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
It was a pure representation of like, oh ship, this
is a rap superstar that's talking that ship that got
the confidence, the cockiness, the bragg of datio, the audacity.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
So I'm gonna go with llll I'm Bad.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
That's a good choice. It was I'm Bad at b side.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Do we know a King?
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Or is that just a single.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
I'm thinking of? Was a single?
Speaker 5 (32:53):
There was that moment in Crush Groove where where Crush
Groove he does the when they do that autobiographical moment
of him doing that in front of Rick Rick Rubin.
But R Yeah, that's a good choice.
Speaker 9 (33:07):
Honestly, it's kind of like I said, it's kind of hard,
you know. I also initially my initial uh uh, I
thought was gonna go with Jen and Juice, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Yes, I'm from Brooklyn.
Speaker 9 (33:20):
And I said that because that song is like to
this day, you know, it's still impactful. But you know,
like I said, it just going back as Mouse and
Dolla alluded to when we think about impact, you know,
changing the course of where this hip hop thing could go. Well,
definitely when I'm Bad, you know, gave hip hoper different trajectory.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
In my opinion, that's a good choice. Thank you a King,
super producer, a King for that choice.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I like it. If I had to make a top
five list, so far from what husband said, I would
pull Juicy. I would pull Jenny Juice, and I would
pull something else. Somebody said.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Is of Light.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Yeah, before you give yours, I'm gonna give mine. We're
gonna end with Nelson now the host of the show.
My choice is Lotty Dottie by Slick Rick and Dougie Fresh.
I think when you think about fifty years of hip hop,
when you think about what Coolhirk did, he basically took
a breakbeat of another song and made a new song
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out of it. And I think Lotti Dottie, you know,
to me, it came to me later on in life
in a sense of this is a song where they
didn't use music. You know, Dougie Fresh is doing the beatbox.
That's an original beat that he's creating. That proves that
you don't need other music to create this art form.
You know, you don't need to sample, you can create
something out of be your own head. And that beatbox
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by doug Fresh on that is incredible that he does.
I think slick Rick with the storytelling on that song
is incredible. The song's been sampled over five hundred times.
Lotty Yatti itself. When you think about obviously hypnotize Ricky,
Ricky Ricky, can't you see somehow her words his hypnthesize
me that. That's all Biggie made a huge hit out
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of that. Even that hit it there's no really you know,
that's been used so many times. It takes two us
hit it went away Love, BC Boys did it, you know,
Naughty by Nature opp That hit it alone has been
sampled over twenty times for huge rap songs. Obviously Snoop
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did a cover of it on his first album, and
I Love Even Just a Wikipedia explanation of the song it.
Lotti Dottie is a lighthearted pop party song where mc
vicky d tells a seemingly autobiographical story of a typical
day in which he wakes up babes, gets stressed, and
upon leaving his apartment, is accosted by a female love
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interest and then by her mother, which is pretty spottle.
I mean, it's just a hell. When you listen to
this song itself, it's just a you know, it's probably
one of the first songs on radio that had swear
words with the wrinkled line. But it's a great song.
It's one of her best storytelling songs in my opinion
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as well. It's a fun song and it was a
B side to the show. So you really can't even
find Lotty Doddy the original version on any kind of
Spotify because it wasn't on any album. It did sample
the one Taste of Honey song, which is, uh, they
sampled that one line if you ricky Ricky rick No,
not that line. There's another line from Taste of Honey
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that they sampled that you can't find. But Lotty Dotty
by Slick Rick my most important song.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I'm not adding that one to my list, but respect
to I like that record. Yeah, also reference Lotty Doddy
and her new single just Relaxed, so it lives on
there you go, it will continue to.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Is that The single where you're in the video video
rod choice is Yours by Black Set?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Yeah, yeah, you know why you don't want to talk
about that. Why do you wanna highlight that you're just breaking.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
It because it's not my videos. Yeah, but you're in
there for like two seconds.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
You know who else make cameos or the superstars in
the nineties where you would have ringing shot shut up,
you're now listening to the what hippop questions legend listen
will be right back after the break.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
All right, so you're gonna go, you gotta Okay, I'll go.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
So I'm just gonna go with again.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
It was hard to pick one, so don't really hold
me to this, but I'm gonna go with fifty cent
in the club.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And I say fifty cent in the club.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Just because I feel like, no matter how old you are,
you know the record. If you're a hip hop fan,
no matter what color you are, you know that record.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
If you're a hip hop fan.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
When I study abroad, I'm all over Europe, every country
I went to, and if I went to the club,
I would hear fifty cent in the club. So yeah,
and then if we're gonna talk impact, We've had I
feel like a thousand podcast episodes where we talked about
fifty cents impact on hip hop, being the ah man
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out breaking through regardless of circumstance, and you.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Know, and I'm a student of the game.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
So when I started DJing, I would follow a lot
of older New York DJs or whatever the case may be,
and a lot of them love to do story time
about the tunnel. So I heard so many stories about it,
but one of my favorite stories that I would hear
is that when fifty cent Get Rich or Die Try
and came out, you couldn't play no other record but
that I'll repeat. So it's like you know when you
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go to a listening party with your favorite artists and like,
can I hear that song again? This is at the
club though I've never got to experience anything like that,
but it's just admirable and I wish i'd did.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
So that's my pick.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Great opening line, one of the best open lines in
hip hop history. Yeah, great beat, great opening beat. We
talked about that on a couple episodes ago.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
And it's universal, like you know because video you great
Rappers the Light. Right now, I don't really know how
many people on the younger spectrum would know, but if
you play in the club, I will God hope that
they know. I feel like they would know.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
I definitely would put in the in the club over
Rappers The Light. As far as importance, Rapper the Light
took a seventies disco song and just put a loop
on it.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yeah, and just but they start rapped.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
For ten minutes because they talked about this, like just
because you were first doesn't mean you were the most
important or the best at this point.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
But I say important. I guess we said important is impact.
But it's like if it wasn't them, then it wouldn't
be the rest. So that's why for as far as
the word important.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Someone would have done it. No, someone would have done it.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
If it's not sugar Hill Gang, we don't have hip hop.
Three other guys couldn't have did that. Three other guys
could not have whether you know Big Big Hank, Stole, Grandmaster,
Cas Rhyme or whatever.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Those three dudes right there.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Like I spoke earlier about the Kanye Kanye performing those records,
it is magic in a bottle that those three guys
were able to do. Nobody else could have did that.
And if it doesn't hip hop, it is not what
it is today. So that's the only reason I say,
I don't think that the discussion around Rapid Delight is
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they were there first, because technically they weren't there first.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
It was there was rap. You know, rap had been shown.
What was since since what Cindy Lofer she was rapping
like there was rap.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
With Blondie Blondie Blonde.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
And then there was you know, there was people were
hearing about it and utilizing its song before then. So
I don't know. That's tough in the club over Rapid Delight,
It's tough. That's tough.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
There comes a point in time when you have to
weigh the being first versus other culturals, you know, And yeah,
being first gives you a lot of points, but it
doesn't give you more points. And what in the club
did to me?
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Okay, I mean, yes, there's more.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
There's way more cultural cachet within the club than there
ever was a Rapids with Rapid Delight.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Yes, all right, mister mouse, you're on the clock, all right,
Well you.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Might as well run this clock out because I cannot.
I can't. I can't say one. I thought about it
and I can't pick one.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
We may have to do tomatoes you have.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
It's impossible. It is impossible to have a jay Z song.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
I just knew you're gonna say, jay Z.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Well, that's why you just knew nothing.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
That's why.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
All right, So like to myself, I was writing down
a list of songs, right and the club is on there,
Walk this way, run, DMC.
Speaker 7 (42:24):
Is on there.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
There's Summer by jay Z is on there.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Big Pimping by jay Z is on there, All about
the Benjamin's Bling, Blaine, the Message Shook ones, I Need
Love llll Cool j Love is Blind by Eve, Fuck
the Police by.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
W These are all songs that you did some work.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
That can literally say or I can make a legitimate
Are you saying these are the most important songs? All
about the Benjamins takes everything that all about the Benjamin
puff Daddy, took everything that you said about him, took
every critique and said, oh yeah, watch the Jiggy Rat
(43:02):
real Rap, gangst the rap infectious song.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Out of all the names you just, out of the
songs you just named, I would definitely go with all
of us like that.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
How do you tell me that's not the most important
song on hip hop? He did everything that you said,
any criticue you had a puff Daddy up until that point. Oh,
it's all Sandy, Suit's all, It's all, It's all the
souls Sam All.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
He just remixed.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah, and that song had a major impact. And even
if kids don't know that song, they at least know that,
Like they know that beat.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Everybody knows.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
You know Kim's verse, you know Biggs verse, You know,
you know Kisses verse, you know Sheikhs verse, you know Puffs.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
Verse, which is written by kiss.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Like come on, like, come on, what am I supposed
to say to this? But then I can make the
argument against that song with a song like Love is
Blind by Eve. We've never heard a woman speak that openly,
that directly to domestic violence.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
No, that's not domestic violence.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Like you've talked about something that at the time the
numbers were.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Say that you put your hands on me again, what
is it? It's on the second verse she talks about domestic violence.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
This whole song was domestic violence, and like.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
The Eve being the domineering savior, like everybody, I.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Don't even know you want to hate you? Oh I
knew it was. My girlfriend used to think like she
painted that picture.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
And I think, I think, far be it from me
to have faith in hip hop.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
But I think even for a moment, everyone.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Kind of stood back understood how insidious this thing is. Right,
say on the same thing, ain't nothing but a g
thing without nothing.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
But a g thing. Hip hop for what we talked
about a few weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
The misogyny and and patriarchy, and in all this.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
That is where it starts. It starts right there.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
Now, obviously I'm sure that they were disrespecting women in
raps and straight out of Compton, wa But nothing started
like that like that right there, ain't nothing but a
g thing gave hip. Whatever we feel about it today,
it gave it.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
It's machismo right there.
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Created an archetype exactly.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
That's what I'm looking to say, created an archetype. Big
pimpin it shows you where we're going. The marriage between
the merging between up North down South legends at the
time they were the same. At the time, they were
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the same, just on different parts. Brings them together. Another
archetype is created because now every video got to look
like this, Dear Summer. We got to see a human
engage with his mortality.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
He's retiring. We never thought we would see this.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
You just in hip hop up until that time, you
rapped until nobody want to hear you no more. And
then you then became the guy who releases projects on.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
You want it right, like.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
Those shots at those guys, but you become those guys
and then you have like a deal that's no longer
worth anything, and you make music that nobody really listened
to anymore.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Over there, right, No, jay Z is taking control of that.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
I think one thing Nyla and I will probably both
agree on with your list Mouse is Love Is Blind
and Dear Summer, as magnificant as those songs were, did
not have enough mainstream success to be considered in that
in that top.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Once again, it goes to the argument of what but
you have to have a look of course.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
Yeah, I mean even when you think about Lottie, Dottie
wasn't the biggest hit. I mean, like, but there are
there has to be some kind of club and radio.
If it doesn't hit radio, I mean, if it doesn't
hit video, then maybe hits the club. If it doesn't
hit the club, then maybe it has another you know,
just trying to check that box.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
There's definitely some.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
You said, I would only give it to all about
the Benjamin.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
How do we ignore bling bling? I think, how do
we ignore that song is one of the as the
most important song in hip.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Hop make a list? I would think, like the.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Word now is in the dictionary, It's used everywhere.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
As Netflix shows with blinging it if the.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Kids, if the kids don't know about.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
It, you'll think kids know about bling blink.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
They might know about it.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
I think you've refern to Deer Summer or or Love
is Blind.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Yeah, I say, yeah, all about the Benjamins, Yes, bling blink.
I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Fuck the police the foundation of uh the lays the
foundation of the protest song? Yeah, no, no, fuck the police.
We don't get a fight the power. No, fight the
power we don't get or right like, we don't get
a self destruction like we don't get so as I like.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
A, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yes to the fund the police. We wouldn't get all those.
But all the songs that you're naming.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Aren't global.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Fuck the Police isn't global.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
You said, no, no, no, you name some under them.
Speaker 5 (48:51):
Love is Blind and Love is Blind.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
I would I could make argument for Dear Someone being global, But.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Sure, what did you just name under the police? You said,
if we didn't get fucking police, you wouldn't have X
Y X power.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Oh, fight the power.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
That's not a global song.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
It's global.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
But is anybody now talking about fuck the police? Like
when we have protests, we're not saying the police. When
we have protests, we're not playing for the police, be
playing Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 4 (49:17):
Alright, yeah, but in that moment you want to make
sure you're not getting caught up in the times. You're
still saying fuck the police though, when they're when when
they're out there marching and chatting, when no signs is up,
they say fuck the police.
Speaker 5 (49:30):
I guess, and that's Jason's pick, fuck the police.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
Yeah, So like this is hard, and so I feel
like I wouldn't, like I can't ignore the message like
I can't. I can't ignore pay them full, like pay
them full changes, I'm sorry. Eric Beef for President. That's
their first single that changes. It literally changes from eighty
(49:53):
six on changes the way. It goes back to what
I said about pop Smoke. If you look at it,
no one before was rapping like rock Kim. It was
ha ha, even.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Mellie melting into the mic, as lyrical.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
As he was, as introspective as he was, he had
unconscious wordplay.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
It was still under the guise.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
Of broken glass everywhere, people pissling on the stages like
they just don't care, can't now. Rock Kim said, listen
to what I'm about to say. I made it ease.
Speaker 5 (50:24):
That's a good plus was coming mob came out of
Eric be as President.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
I'm just saying, like it's it's so hard to pick
these this to pick a song that that I feel.
Speaker 5 (50:40):
Five favorite rap song back in the day was Eric
be as President.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
It's Mine, It is Mine. That is my favorite rap
song of all time? But is that the most important?
I can make arguments against. I can make arguments for
every song I put on my list, and make arguments
using those same songs against other songs on my list.
Speaker 5 (50:58):
You can make an argument from Crean I.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Could, it's on the list. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
I did not to bring but cream just as important
as any of these records. So how do I sit
here when it comes to me in what we do
on camera audibly the journalist of it all. I have
to be able to say when I say something, I
(51:24):
have to be able to say I can stand behind it.
And I don't know if saying If me saying one song,
I'd be able to stand behind.
Speaker 5 (51:33):
Today, I may tenth to twenty twenty three mouses I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
I'm saying I can't. I can't say one. I can't
say one because I.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
Would not be able to stand behind it tomorrow. Tomorrow
would have a different answer. I might have a different
answer in two hours. But boy, oh boy, there's all
about the Benjamin make it fucking hard not to say it's.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
The most important and song of hip hop fifty years.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Then I'll want you on that one.
Speaker 5 (52:11):
There's not that rock remix rock. Loved the rock remix,
and I knew you would.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
Love and loved the video, loved for the fucking video running.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
I was like, oh, I wanted to be my high school.
Speaker 5 (52:30):
Now take us out.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
So to answer the question, we didn't really answer it cohesively.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Yeah, fifty years of hip hop, it'll do it to you.
That's a good thing. Fifty years.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
Then we all had like one unanimous answer. I'd be like, oh,
I don't think we have another fifty years, guys.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
Like you see how like people are like other cultures
are able to get together.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
And like this, this is it. I'm like, yeah, that's
why your music sucks.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
Okay, I'm not disagreeing with that either.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Actually, yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (53:04):
Genre genre genre beefs boy hip hop over rock any day.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
They all agree to Beats was the best.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
I'm not standing with you on that, but I feel
you crazy.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah that's crazy. Leave me hanging that Roby.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
Because, like what, I like other genres more than hip hop.
I ain't say that genres. I like other genres also.
But so to answer today's question, what is the most
important hip hop song of all time? We don't know,
we don't know. This is the first time we don't
know the answer.
Speaker 5 (53:39):
But what was your choice?
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Again?
Speaker 1 (53:43):
In the club mouse.
Speaker 4 (53:47):
All about That's what I don't have one about, don't
I don't.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
That's the beautiful thing about having.
Speaker 5 (53:55):
He's all about the Benjamin's is sticking his head out
right now, It's.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Sticking his head out. It's definitely it.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
This is what I said before, All about the Benjamin's
makes it makes it very hard for me to say
any other.
Speaker 5 (54:06):
Song A King A King's is I'm Bad by ll
Mine is Lottie Dotty.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Which was crazy. I definitely had you going crazy, definitely.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
Had And thanks to all Shahem Read, Jason Rodrigez Kaz
and Jamie Lemon for sending in their choices what's yours?
Speaker 2 (54:27):
I don't know?
Speaker 1 (54:28):
I was thinking why why nobody mentioned Missy Elliott?
Speaker 5 (54:31):
And I was like, I feel like, Missy Elliott, get
your freaking.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (54:38):
Rock and roll Hall of Fame nominee Missy Elliott.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
I mean I love Missy damn it.
Speaker 4 (54:43):
See now I feel like a ship because I didn't
even have any of those records on my list.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
I don't feel bad just because it's like it's like
if no one said Missy, well, no one said Queen,
no one said she like, no one said a lot
of people like that.
Speaker 5 (54:56):
That isn't lost ones.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Yeah, this is X factor.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
I mean, he's not lying though.
Speaker 4 (55:04):
You refer to her as queen. That's what you say
I'm talking about. Never heard anyone called like just shorten
it to queen. Heard Latifa shout out to you.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
He knew I was talking about everybody knows Jersey connection.
Oh please, oh please? But okay, so yeah, this one.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
We don't have a final answer, but I hope you
guys enjoyed today's episode.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
For what hip Hop Questions, Let's.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
List, we talked about the most important rap songs. I
know you're probably over here thinking, like, y'all miss one.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Okay, well, let us know.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
Which one we missed, because I'm I'm still puzzled by
the damn question.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah. It was definitely chaos, but.
Speaker 3 (55:47):
Makes you guys like Share, Subscribe, telor friend to tell
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Speaker 4 (55:57):
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