October 19, 2022 • 29 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Marco. Hello, Marco Holo, gotcha be? What on earth is
going on? Why are you wearing a blindfold? Oh? Hi, Elliott,
Jane and I are playing Marco Polo in honor of
Italian explorer Marco Polo being one of today's subjects. Marco. Hello, Wow, Jane,
your bones are so fragile. Thank you Be. You didn't
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get Jane, you got the priceless main base we keep
in the studio for some reason. But you were very close.
You're one small step away. Oh wow, Like the one
small step are other figure astronaut Neil Armstrong talked about
in his famous moon landing. Yeah, one small step and
then one giant leap to the left and this game
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can be done. Gotcha wow, Jane. I hate to say this,
but you may need to moisturize a little more. Your
skin feels incredibly tough. B That wasn't me, that was
Geraldine and she's very sensitive about her dry skin. So
raise up off. Oh um, Eric, will you please play
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us in and distract this angry elephant with the theme
song Here we go? What do you think you know
about the race from this story? The game is on.
To get some energy and buckle up your brain because
it's time to play the Whos podcast because it's sound
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to play. But who Live from Top the Land or
so called so Cow Los Angeles. Welcome to Who Was?
The history quis show that gives contestants the chance to
win mega prizes and podcast. Glorie, I'm being your announcer
and daily dose of Vitamin be. And here's your host,
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a man with resting I hate resting face. It's Elliott Haylen.
Thank you be and I just love work so much
and welcome everyone to Who Was? Podcast. This show is
like Jeopardy, only a surprise. Guests Silly Games and an
air Friar were knee deep in salmon filets and French Brian.
Our knees are so oily it's great. Our contestants were
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sent Who Was books about two great figures from history.
Now they're here to show off their knowledge and the
hopes of winning fantastic prizes. Prizes. Today we're discussing two
star stuck travelers, Marco Polo and Neil Armstrong. But before
we get to know them, let's get to know our contestants.
First up, we have Evelyn. Evelyn, will you please introduce yourself? Hi,
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my name is Evelyn, and I have three triplet brothers.
Oh my goodness, three triplet brothers. So now does that
mean that you have nine brothers because you have three
sets of triplets, three brothers who are triplets. That that
would that's that will be so much less expensive for
college than having nine brothers. They that I've wondered this
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about triplets. Do they sleep in a three level bunk bit? Um? No? Actually,
they sleep all together in a twin size bed, even
though we have three different twin size beds for them.
Oh my goodness. Now, how old are they? They're eight
years old. Okay, so they're they're small enough still where
they can all fit in one bed. But soon enough,
that's gonna be too many triplets sleeping. You know that
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that face game? Yeah? Well cool. Thank you so much
for being here today. We're excited to have you on
the show, and we also have Raymond here with us today. Raymond,
please introduce yourself. Hi. I'm Raymond. I love dogs and
video games. Now is there a video game about dogs
that could combine both of your interests? I don't think
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so yet, Not yet? All right, I do remember a game.
Maybe Elliott will remember. This game is from the nineties.
It was called paper Boy, Raymond, have you ever played this?
A dope? But I've heard my dad talk about it.
In paper Boy, a dog would chase you while you
were trying to deliver the newspaper. So maybe it's a
good thing that there aren't that many dog video games,
because it sounds like these dogs are not a joy
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to have around in video games. Although imagine, do you
have a dog, Raymond, Yes, your dog is a joy
to have. And what's her name? Zelda? Zelda? Another video game?
This is? This is amazing. You really do love dogs
and video games. Thank you both so much for being here,
and thank you to erk or a musician for providing
that lovely meet the contestants music. That's who is Now
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let's find out who was Marco Polo with four fast
facts prospects. Marco Polo was born in twelve fifty four
and died in thirteen twenty four. Marco Polo wrote a book,
The Travels of Marco Polo, describing amazing adventures he said
he had exploring China and the Far East. Marco was
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nicknamed Marco Millions because people thought his book was nothing
but a million lies on his deathbed, Marco's friends asked
him to admit his stories r untrue, and his answer was,
I never told half of what I saw prospects. Now,
I think that's important because never ever have we done
in four fast facts with a little accent in the
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fast facts. I just wanted to point that out. We
both went into our Telli an accent as much as possible.
For Marco, that's right. But so Marco Polo had a
bunch of amazing travels. And I'm wondering if any if
our contestants today have taken any really cool trips that
they could tell us about. Raymond, have you ever taken
like a really cool trip that you would want to
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share with us? I went to England. You went to England.
Where in England did you go? I went all around it.
Did you go to the Beatles Museum in Liverpool? Yes? Oh? Wow? Okay?
And what was your favorite part of your of your
trip to England seeing the Beatles Museum? Oh? I nailed it? Wow?
You you you two should go on a trip to
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England together. It sounds like you would have want to
do a lot of the same things. You have a
lot of fun together. But I don't want to play
any British video games? No? Thanks. Now I'm trying to
think of what a British video game would sound like,
something like this. It's Mario and and Evelyn. What about you?
Have you ever had an amazing exciting trip somewhere. I
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haven't really left the US, um, but I've gone to
South Carolina, which is across the country for me. Wait.
Did you go to Myrtle Beach? No? Wait, no, no,
no wait wait wait the Beatles Museum. Did you go
to Charleston, South Carolina? Um? Actually I went to um,
Myrtle Beach, Gilton Head and Charleston. I went everywhere all
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over South Carolina. Yeah, those are those are the big
three in South Carolina. You gotta see it. And did
you go to eat North Carolina or Middle Carolina? The
Carolina that doesn't exist but I made it up that
goes between North and South Carolina. No, okay, good TWI
question and you got out of that one. Good good
making sure you weren't being a Marco million telling stories
about made up Carolina's. Well, thank you so much for
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sharing those trips stories with us. They all sound great.
But let's take a trip over to our first game.
That's right. It's called true or false. False. Is a
true true that it was true? Or true? True or false.
Here's how this game works. Be will read a statement
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about Marco Polo and you'll tell us if it's true
or fault false. And since it's our first game, each
question is worth one point. Evelyn, You'll be going first.
True or false. While some teenagers have to beg their
parents just to drive to the corner store. Marco Polo
was seventeen years old when he first traveled to China.
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Is that true or false? True? That's right, the answer
is true. In twelve seventy two, seventeen year old Marco
joined his father, Nicolo and his uncle Mafeo on their
latest trip from Venice to China. Marco didn't want to
be left behind, and though the trip would be dangerous,
his father and uncle agreed to take him along and
it would change his life and history forever, Raymond, your
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true or falls. Once he arrived in China, young Marco
Polo struggled to find work and was never accepted by
China's ruling class. False. That's right. The answer is false.
Marco Polo not only met the Emperor of China Kubla
Khan he worked for him. Kubla Khan found Marco to
be smart and amusing, and Cohn liked that. According to Marco,
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he went on missions for Kubla Khan for seventeen years.
Marco never said what these missions entailed, but he did
give the con report of what he'd done and seen
after each mission. And of course Kubla believed everything Marco
was telling him, because, as they always say, you can't
Kna Cohn Evelyn back to you. True or false. Marco
Polo wrote that he thought a unicorn in his travel True.
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That's right. The answer is true. Thanks to his travels,
Marco Polos a lot of things most people hadn't seen
or even heard of yet. He wrote in his journals
that in the island of Sumatra he tasted a nut
quote the size of a man's head. That was a coconut.
The unicorn he thought he saw it was actually a rhinoceros,
so kind of a lumpy unicorn, Raymond, you get the last.
True or false? True or false? Marco Polo wrote his
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book The Travels of Marco Polo while he was in jail. True,
that's right, the answer is true. During the war between
his home of Venice and another Italian city estate, Genoa.
Marco was captured while in a Genoese jail. He entertained
the other Venetian prisoners with tales of his travels. An
author named rousta Cello was in the same jail and
offered to help Marco turn his stories into a book.
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Marco told his stories while Rosticello wrote them down. Marco
couldn't remember everything, so he had his father sent his
journals to the Genoa jail. That's right, it was a
Genero jail journal's journey for junior. And that's the gend
of true or false, true, true, true or true orful.
What an exciting round and so much alliteration at the
end there, and there's even more excitement and possibly more
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literation to come after this break. Eric, would you please
play us some misidentified unicorn music. It's a dog, It's
it's a horse. Welcome back to the Who Was podcasts.
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Today we're learning who was Marco Polo and who was
Neil Armstrong? And now back to your host Ellie Kalin,
Thank you be, and let's journey across the seas to
producer Kovla Jane with the scores Fighter mind telling you,
me and uh Elliott that we are all tied up.
I'm discovering that chap two points. Fantastic. The game's all
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tied up. Now let's find out who was Neil Armstrong
for We're Fast Facts, Fast guys. Neil Armstrong was born
in n and died in twelve. Neil Armstrong was the
first person to ever walk on the Moon and the
first person to walk on the Moon on TV. Neil
Armstrong was a Navy fighter pilot in the Korean War,
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and he flew on seventy eight mission. Neil Armstrong was
one of the nine Apollo Astronauts, only the second team
of astronauts ever in human history aspects. Those facts were
out of this world. But now it's time to go
into this backpack for a game we call Backpack from
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the Past. From the Past, Baby. We have a backpack
contains some of Neil Armstrong's personal objects. Will describe those
objects for our contestants and the listeners at home. Contestants,
you will choose which multiple choice answer best describes it.
Since this is our second game, each question is worth
two points. Raymond, here's the first object. Oh awesome, check
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it out. I found a model airplane. Why would that
be in Neil Armstrong's backpack? Is it because A Ever
since he was a boy, Neil wanted to fly planes. B.
Neil just like building any kind of model he could
or see Neil would build model planes and sell them
to other kids. Hey, that's correct. The answer is A.
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Neil Armstrong was fascinated by planes and flying as a
young boy. He took his first plane ride when he
was six, and loved building model planes at of balsa wood,
wire and tissue paper. He'd even use a fan in
his family's basement as a wind tunnel to see how
well his models flew. Okay, Evelyn, here's the next object
for you. It's an eagle. Oh it's flying around the studio.
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Luckily our studio has a window. Let me just there
you go, Eagle be free, thanks be Why would Neil
Armstrong have an eagle in his backpack? A. The spacecraft
Neil landed on the Moon was named the Eagle. B.
Neil wanted to open a bird sanctuary. Or see, Neil
wanted a pet that liked flying just as much as
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he did. That's right, The answer is A. The Eagle
was the landing module that actually landed on the Moon.
The Eagle had to touch down on a flat surface,
otherwise it wouldn't have been able to take off from
the Moon's surface, again, leaving the astronauts stranded. The landing
was meant to be controlled by computers, but Neil saw
that the landing area was too rocky, so he took
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the controls and with less than a minute's worth of fuel,
he found a better place to land. Amazing, Raymond, This
next object is for you. Okay, it's sand, well, like
a lot of sand, maybe too much sand. Why would
this be in Neil Armstrong's backpack? Is it because he
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he wanted to make a sandbox at NASA B he
worked as a test pilot in the Majabi Desert. Or
see he loved building sandcastles. B. Yes, the answer is B.
After he was a fighter pilot, but before he was
an astronaut, Neil was a test pilot. He worked at
Edwards Air Force Base in California's Majabi Desert as a
test pilot, kneeled out to fly new types of aircraft.
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One of the experimental aircraft Neil flu was called the
X fifteen super cool name. It was rocket propelled and
could go nearly four thousand miles an hour and reach
altitude of two hundred and seven thousand, five hundred feet.
That altitude was considered the start of outer space, so
flying the X fifteen was an early test for flying
into space as an astronaut. Evelyn get ready for the
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final object. Let's see here. That startled me. Oh, it's
a tent and it popped right into shape. Why would
a tent be in Neil Armstrong's backpack? Is it a
he loved to camp out in his backyard. B he
owned a sporting goods store called One Giant Leap Sporting Goods,
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or see it was used in his astronaut training. Correct.
The answer is ce Neil and the other astronauts did
training exercises that seemingly didn't have much to do with
being an astronaut, such as being sent to Panama with
only a small tent and a survival kit. However, it
actually had a lot to do with being an astronaut.
Upon returning from the Moon, a spacecraft might land anywhere
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on Earth, places like a mountaintop, where the desert or
the jungle. In such an event, Neil and the other
astronauts would need to know how to survive until they
were rescued, and hey, maybe they'd find out the moon
had a jungle on it. I don't know. I've never
been there. And that's the end of Backpack from the Past.
Back from the Past. We're going to take one more
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break and then we'll be back with scores and our
final game. So stay excuse me, we're recording a show.
You can't just barge in. Hello and Neil Armstrong, good things.
That's right, the two and only started to interrupt. Well
it's okay, um, Hey, what are you guys doing here?
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Are you here to teach us more about your lives?
I see how you think that, But no, we had
here because we are in the new season this spectacular race.
Wait that silly worldwide scavenger hunt reality game, Showa shilly.
By the way, you have never even been to China
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or space? Am I right? Empty? Sick? He hasn't. That's
truth in comedy, right there. So how has the competition
been going so far? Fan tasting you may be surprised
to hear this. There's a lot in astronaut and an
explorer from the fourteenth century can learn from each other,
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like what well I learned that Neil was both a
highly skilled pilot and an engineer, so he know the
mechanics of planes and the flight. I'm sure that gave
him an upper hand. And wink it they wink when
he applied to be an astra. Well I learned. I
learned Old Marco's trip to China back home was eleven
thousand miles. It's that sounds like a long trip to me.
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And I've been on the mooning back home. Think about
it that way, And I learned that the footprints mea
left on the moon are still there to this very day.
I mean, I left my body that was, but not literally.
It's true, Marco here inspired other explorers, and when you
think about it, isn't space travel the ultimate exploration. I mean,
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you gotta crawl before you can walk, and you gotta
sail on the seats before you sail to the move.
But honestly, despite all those accomplishments, we can't win this
reality show and hope to get on an all star
season without a little help from you, right now, all right,
all right, well what can we do for you? Well,
my friend, Team Polo Strong, that's us, you mean Team
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Arms Strollo School Schools it's easy. We are very close
to the next leg of this spectacular race, but according
to our crew, we need a microphone. I wish we
could help, but this equipment all belongs to the studio,
not to me. And be come on, pal, don't you
want to help your favorite space stakes and you're a
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favorite sailor man? First of all, sir, all due respect,
my favorite sailor man is Popeye. Hey, Elliott, maybe we
should take a page out of their book what Hey?
Get your feel the hooks off on my BOOKA It
was the only thing that kept me going when I
was behind bars in Genoa. That's the book. He's like
a son to me, and my son is like it
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looked to me now that they think abouten not literally, Marco.
I mean maybe we should take more risks and be
more adventurous, Elliott. These two are heroes and the least
we can do is help them win a reality competition
that has little to no bearing on anything. What do
you say, kids, Okay, fine, take a microphone. We'll just
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tell the studio be lost it or that I ate it.
I do a lot of wacky stuff over here. Friends,
We must go now if we want to stay ahead.
Of the other team. They dreaded Mike and Nicki. They
told everyone right at the start that they weren't here
to make friends. And you believe that. Okay, good luck.
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Now we'll take that break, and not just because I
need an invitrophone. Are please boil us some experimental playing
music store your carry one from your sal you who
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was there, Marie Carrie? You may remember me from winning
multiple Nobel prizes, or perhaps from my episode of the
Worst Podcast where I played myself. I wanted to take
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in the I Heart Radio up or wherever you give
your podcasts revoir or should I stay abbiendo. Welcome back
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to the Who Was Podcast. Today we're learning who was
Marco Polo and who was Neil Armstrong? And now he's
your host, Elliott Cola. Thanks be and without further ado,
let's take one giant leap to producer Jane for the scores,
Hellium be it. Don't mind telling you that there's no
giant separation in the scores. They are tied at six
points each. Oh, it's such a close game. Amazing. We'll
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see how things turn out in our final game, Converge
of Greatness, which is happening right now. That's such inspiring music.
It's probably what they listened to when they went to
the moon. Maybe they just listened to whale sounds. In
this multiple choice game for BLO score how Marco Polo
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and Neil Armstrong connect, over lap or converge. Choose the
best answer ach question, and because we're dealing with double
the history, each question will be worth three points. Ready.
First question goes to Evelyn the take us Away. Marco,
Polo and Armstrong both worked as part of a crew.
Marco started out on his father and uncle ship. Neil
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went to the Moon with two other astronauts named a
Captain Kirk and Mr Spock b Buzz Aldrin and Michael
Collins or see Han Solo and Luke Skywalker B. Yes,
the answer is be the only answer with real people's, actual,
real living names in them. Armstrong was the commander of
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the Apollo eleven mission. Once they're spacecraft, the Columbia was
pulled into the Moon's orbit. He and Buzz Aldron left
the craft in a landing device for the Moon's surface.
Michael Collins had to stay aboard the Columbia and orbit
the Moon while Neil and Buzz got to do fun
stuff like plant a flag and collect rocks. Yeah, poor
Michael Collins. It's like he had a layover at the
Moon and didn't get to see anything besides the airport. Yeah,
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something like that. Okay, Raymond, this next question is for you.
Neil Armstrong and Marco Polo both had plans that didn't
quite go the way they hoped. Neil finished college later
than he had tended due to war, and Marco had
difficulty leaving China because a there was too much traffic,
b his boat needed repairs that he couldn't afford. Or
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see Kubla Khan didn't want him to leave. See. The
answer is see by the time he was in his
late thirties, Marco Polo had spent half his life at China.
Many times over the years, Marco, his father and his
uncle had asked Kubla Khan if they could leave and
go home. But the Great Cohn said, oh, con Trair,
I like having the Polos, you know, Yolo, so no low.
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Without the cons protection, the trip back to Italy would
be too dangerous, so Marco felt stuck. But in twelve
ninety one, the Polos got lucky and Kubla Khan let
them leave China to escort a Mongol princess who was
going to Persia to be married. It's a classic story.
It's how I got at a summer camp. Evelyn back
to you for his next question. Marco Polo and Neil
Armstrong both faced the dangerous of the unknown. When Neil
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Armstrong was the command pilot of Gemini eight, he and
his co pilot were put in danger when a Aliens
attacked B Gemini eight started spinning out of control or
ce Gemini eight lost oxygen. Yes, the answer is B.
Neil and his co pilot, David Scott, were docking Gemini
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ate was satellite already in space when Gemini eight started
spinning out of control. The ship was rolling so violently
that both astronaut's vision began to blur like cartoon characters
or something. Neil managed to work Gemini's hand controls and
steady the spacecraft. The problem was a faulty thruster, a
small rocket that provides forward motion. Raymond, let's take it
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home with the final question. Neil Armstrong and Marco Polo
both brought material home that most people had never seen before.
For Armstrong this meant lunar material from the move, but
for Marco Polo this was a fascinating new material for
many Europeans, a cotton b silk or see pleather cotton
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and I'm sorry the answer was actually be silk. At
this time, silk made from the cocoons of silkworms was
only manufactured in China and nowhere else. It was hard
to get and highly prized. Other rare goods the Polos
might find or bring back included nutmeg, cinnamon, pepper, porcelain,
crude oil, the very best melons in the world. That's
just objectively true, coal pearls and ivory. Put all those
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things together with lunar material, that a delicious stew and
the end of that game means it's just about the
end of the show. While Jane Tally is the score,
I'd love to hear from the contestants. What was something
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you were surprised to learn about Marco Polo and Neil Armstrong, Evelyn,
what surprised you? I didn't know that Marco Polo he
actually met his dad. Thing was fifteen, like because he
was on a trip so like like a trading chip,
so he didn't get to like see your dad for
the very first time till he is fifteen. That's right.
It took so long to travel back then, and people
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had to go so far so slowly that he did.
His dad wasn't even home until he was a teenager.
It's amazing when you think about how it took Neil
Armstrong and the Apollo restronauts less time to go to
the moon and back then it took Marco Polo and
his family to travel between Italy and China. It's just
I guess, I guess it's not that surprising. A spaceship
is is should be faster than like a horse. But
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you know, that's uh, you know what. I'm still going
to stand by my original statement that it's pretty amazing.
It's pretty amazing. And Raymond, what surprised you about Marco
Polo or Neil Armstrong. One thing that surprised me about
Marco Polo was that people didn't leave very much of
what he said, even though like most of the stuff
that he said actually came true. Yeah, it was interesting,
like to to think about that and say like, oh,
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it's a unicorn, but actually was were a rhinoceros. So
he didn't know what he didn't know, right, um, And
so he wrote about it and people were like, no,
you're a liar. I don't think it's that he was
lying necessarily, it's that he was trying to put in
a context things that people had could never even imagine.
Although it does make me wonder what it is about
Marco Polo that when he came back, people were not
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inclined to believe him, Like, do you think I wonder
if when Marco Polo was talking, he was like yeah,
yeah and I saw yeah it was like unicorn, yeah yeah,
and there's these big nuts as big as your head.
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's what it was. Just maybe the
way he talks, maybe people not believe him. I don't know, Marco,
if you're listening, have confidence in your statements and people
will believe all your stories. It's right. Well, thank you
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so much for sharing both of your surprising learnings about
Marco polo, and now it is time for the big moment. Jane,
please announced our winner for today. Oh well, yeah, it
was a very close contest throughout, but at the end
Evil then launched herself into the winning circle with twelve points. Congratulations, Evelyn,
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you played a game. Raymond who also played a fantastic game,
which should be very happy and very proud with how
you did today, Evelyn. As our winner, you have ten
seconds for your shout out scope work. Who would you
like to thank for bringing you to this victory. I'd
like to thank by mom, my dad, by three chiplate brothers,
by friends, by two guinea pigs, and my dog Lucy.
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Oh nice, Okay, we get shoutouts for the dogs Lucy
and Zelda. Love that. And I have to know are
the guinea pigs twins? Um? They're actually cousins. Yeah, what
they wanted. Identical twin cousins. Identical twin cousins. They look alike,
sound alike. They're both guinea pigs. Our winner and their
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library of choice where we're receiving a selection of who
was books And I'm going to give my own shout
outs to intern Zach Jane, Eric Jonah Ray for being
our Neil Armstrong and Chris Ferry for being our Marco
Polo and of course to be And a big thank
you to both of our contestants who both played an
amazing game today. And of course, most of all, the
biggest thank you in the universe goes to you the
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listener for listening. Thank you. Next week join us as
we find out who Was two more amazing figures from history.
Until then, this is Elliott X fifteen Kalin saying We're history. Goodbye.
Everybody got a question for any of our famous figures,
Send us a voice memo at the Who Was Podcast
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the show. The Who Was Podcast, as produced by Radio Point,
I Heart Media and Penguin Workshop, is based on the
best selling who h Q series published by Penguin. This
show was hosted by Elliott Klin with co host Megan
O'Neill as b It also starred Jane Baker as producer, Jane,
Eric shack Me as Eric, Chris Ferry as Marco Polo,
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and Jonah Ray as Neil Armstrong. Executive producers are Richard Porson,
Alex Foch, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neill Daniel Powell and Houston Snyder.
Executive producer for Penguin Workshop is Francesco Sadita. Executive producer
for iHeart Media is Lindsay Hoffman. This show was written
by Devin Coleman, Elliott Klin, and Megan O'Neill, who was
produced by Bernie Kaminsky and Taylor Kawalski. The talent was
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produced by Jane Baker. The theme song and the music
were composed and performed by Eric Shackney, who was edited
and mixed by Kate Moldenhower, who was recorded by Alison Worth.
Special thanks to Zach Timpson, Charlotte Dianda, and Michael Lewis Howard.
Sound services provided by Great City Post. Thanks the podcast
because it's standard playbooks.
Marco. Hello, Marco Holo, gotcha be? What on earth is
going on? Why are you wearing a blindfold? Oh? Hi, Elliott,
Jane and I are playing Marco Polo in honor of
Italian explorer Marco Polo being one of today's subjects. Marco. Hello, Wow, Jane,
your bones are so fragile. Thank you Be. You didn't
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get Jane, you got the priceless main base we keep
in the studio for some reason. But you were very close.
You're one small step away. Oh wow, Like the one
small step are other figure astronaut Neil Armstrong talked about
in his famous moon landing. Yeah, one small step and
then one giant leap to the left and this game
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can be done. Gotcha wow, Jane. I hate to say this,
but you may need to moisturize a little more. Your
skin feels incredibly tough. B That wasn't me, that was
Geraldine and she's very sensitive about her dry skin. So
raise up off. Oh um, Eric, will you please play
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us in and distract this angry elephant with the theme
song Here we go? What do you think you know
about the race from this story? The game is on.
To get some energy and buckle up your brain because
it's time to play the Whos podcast because it's sound
(01:26):
to play. But who Live from Top the Land or
so called so Cow Los Angeles. Welcome to Who Was?
The history quis show that gives contestants the chance to
win mega prizes and podcast. Glorie, I'm being your announcer
and daily dose of Vitamin be. And here's your host,
(01:47):
a man with resting I hate resting face. It's Elliott Haylen.
Thank you be and I just love work so much
and welcome everyone to Who Was? Podcast. This show is
like Jeopardy, only a surprise. Guests Silly Games and an
air Friar were knee deep in salmon filets and French Brian.
Our knees are so oily it's great. Our contestants were
(02:08):
sent Who Was books about two great figures from history.
Now they're here to show off their knowledge and the
hopes of winning fantastic prizes. Prizes. Today we're discussing two
star stuck travelers, Marco Polo and Neil Armstrong. But before
we get to know them, let's get to know our contestants.
First up, we have Evelyn. Evelyn, will you please introduce yourself? Hi,
(02:33):
my name is Evelyn, and I have three triplet brothers.
Oh my goodness, three triplet brothers. So now does that
mean that you have nine brothers because you have three
sets of triplets, three brothers who are triplets. That that
would that's that will be so much less expensive for
college than having nine brothers. They that I've wondered this
(02:55):
about triplets. Do they sleep in a three level bunk bit? Um? No? Actually,
they sleep all together in a twin size bed, even
though we have three different twin size beds for them.
Oh my goodness. Now, how old are they? They're eight
years old. Okay, so they're they're small enough still where
they can all fit in one bed. But soon enough,
that's gonna be too many triplets sleeping. You know that
(03:19):
that face game? Yeah? Well cool. Thank you so much
for being here today. We're excited to have you on
the show, and we also have Raymond here with us today. Raymond,
please introduce yourself. Hi. I'm Raymond. I love dogs and
video games. Now is there a video game about dogs
that could combine both of your interests? I don't think
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so yet, Not yet? All right, I do remember a game.
Maybe Elliott will remember. This game is from the nineties.
It was called paper Boy, Raymond, have you ever played this?
A dope? But I've heard my dad talk about it.
In paper Boy, a dog would chase you while you
were trying to deliver the newspaper. So maybe it's a
good thing that there aren't that many dog video games,
because it sounds like these dogs are not a joy
(04:01):
to have around in video games. Although imagine, do you
have a dog, Raymond, Yes, your dog is a joy
to have. And what's her name? Zelda? Zelda? Another video game?
This is? This is amazing. You really do love dogs
and video games. Thank you both so much for being here,
and thank you to erk or a musician for providing
that lovely meet the contestants music. That's who is Now
(04:23):
let's find out who was Marco Polo with four fast
facts prospects. Marco Polo was born in twelve fifty four
and died in thirteen twenty four. Marco Polo wrote a book,
The Travels of Marco Polo, describing amazing adventures he said
he had exploring China and the Far East. Marco was
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nicknamed Marco Millions because people thought his book was nothing
but a million lies on his deathbed, Marco's friends asked
him to admit his stories r untrue, and his answer was,
I never told half of what I saw prospects. Now,
I think that's important because never ever have we done
in four fast facts with a little accent in the
(05:06):
fast facts. I just wanted to point that out. We
both went into our Telli an accent as much as possible.
For Marco, that's right. But so Marco Polo had a
bunch of amazing travels. And I'm wondering if any if
our contestants today have taken any really cool trips that
they could tell us about. Raymond, have you ever taken
like a really cool trip that you would want to
(05:27):
share with us? I went to England. You went to England.
Where in England did you go? I went all around it.
Did you go to the Beatles Museum in Liverpool? Yes? Oh? Wow? Okay?
And what was your favorite part of your of your
trip to England seeing the Beatles Museum? Oh? I nailed it? Wow?
You you you two should go on a trip to
(05:47):
England together. It sounds like you would have want to
do a lot of the same things. You have a
lot of fun together. But I don't want to play
any British video games? No? Thanks. Now I'm trying to
think of what a British video game would sound like,
something like this. It's Mario and and Evelyn. What about you?
Have you ever had an amazing exciting trip somewhere. I
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haven't really left the US, um, but I've gone to
South Carolina, which is across the country for me. Wait.
Did you go to Myrtle Beach? No? Wait, no, no,
no wait wait wait the Beatles Museum. Did you go
to Charleston, South Carolina? Um? Actually I went to um,
Myrtle Beach, Gilton Head and Charleston. I went everywhere all
(06:31):
over South Carolina. Yeah, those are those are the big
three in South Carolina. You gotta see it. And did
you go to eat North Carolina or Middle Carolina? The
Carolina that doesn't exist but I made it up that
goes between North and South Carolina. No, okay, good TWI
question and you got out of that one. Good good
making sure you weren't being a Marco million telling stories
about made up Carolina's. Well, thank you so much for
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sharing those trips stories with us. They all sound great.
But let's take a trip over to our first game.
That's right. It's called true or false. False. Is a
true true that it was true? Or true? True or false.
Here's how this game works. Be will read a statement
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about Marco Polo and you'll tell us if it's true
or fault false. And since it's our first game, each
question is worth one point. Evelyn, You'll be going first.
True or false. While some teenagers have to beg their
parents just to drive to the corner store. Marco Polo
was seventeen years old when he first traveled to China.
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Is that true or false? True? That's right, the answer
is true. In twelve seventy two, seventeen year old Marco
joined his father, Nicolo and his uncle Mafeo on their
latest trip from Venice to China. Marco didn't want to
be left behind, and though the trip would be dangerous,
his father and uncle agreed to take him along and
it would change his life and history forever, Raymond, your
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true or falls. Once he arrived in China, young Marco
Polo struggled to find work and was never accepted by
China's ruling class. False. That's right. The answer is false.
Marco Polo not only met the Emperor of China Kubla
Khan he worked for him. Kubla Khan found Marco to
be smart and amusing, and Cohn liked that. According to Marco,
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he went on missions for Kubla Khan for seventeen years.
Marco never said what these missions entailed, but he did
give the con report of what he'd done and seen
after each mission. And of course Kubla believed everything Marco
was telling him, because, as they always say, you can't
Kna Cohn Evelyn back to you. True or false. Marco
Polo wrote that he thought a unicorn in his travel True.
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That's right. The answer is true. Thanks to his travels,
Marco Polos a lot of things most people hadn't seen
or even heard of yet. He wrote in his journals
that in the island of Sumatra he tasted a nut
quote the size of a man's head. That was a coconut.
The unicorn he thought he saw it was actually a rhinoceros,
so kind of a lumpy unicorn, Raymond, you get the last.
True or false? True or false? Marco Polo wrote his
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book The Travels of Marco Polo while he was in jail. True,
that's right, the answer is true. During the war between
his home of Venice and another Italian city estate, Genoa.
Marco was captured while in a Genoese jail. He entertained
the other Venetian prisoners with tales of his travels. An
author named rousta Cello was in the same jail and
offered to help Marco turn his stories into a book.
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Marco told his stories while Rosticello wrote them down. Marco
couldn't remember everything, so he had his father sent his
journals to the Genoa jail. That's right, it was a
Genero jail journal's journey for junior. And that's the gend
of true or false, true, true, true or true orful.
What an exciting round and so much alliteration at the
end there, and there's even more excitement and possibly more
(09:50):
literation to come after this break. Eric, would you please
play us some misidentified unicorn music. It's a dog, It's
it's a horse. Welcome back to the Who Was podcasts.
(10:13):
Today we're learning who was Marco Polo and who was
Neil Armstrong? And now back to your host Ellie Kalin,
Thank you be, and let's journey across the seas to
producer Kovla Jane with the scores Fighter mind telling you,
me and uh Elliott that we are all tied up.
I'm discovering that chap two points. Fantastic. The game's all
(10:38):
tied up. Now let's find out who was Neil Armstrong
for We're Fast Facts, Fast guys. Neil Armstrong was born
in n and died in twelve. Neil Armstrong was the
first person to ever walk on the Moon and the
first person to walk on the Moon on TV. Neil
Armstrong was a Navy fighter pilot in the Korean War,
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and he flew on seventy eight mission. Neil Armstrong was
one of the nine Apollo Astronauts, only the second team
of astronauts ever in human history aspects. Those facts were
out of this world. But now it's time to go
into this backpack for a game we call Backpack from
(11:21):
the Past. From the Past, Baby. We have a backpack
contains some of Neil Armstrong's personal objects. Will describe those
objects for our contestants and the listeners at home. Contestants,
you will choose which multiple choice answer best describes it.
Since this is our second game, each question is worth
two points. Raymond, here's the first object. Oh awesome, check
(11:45):
it out. I found a model airplane. Why would that
be in Neil Armstrong's backpack? Is it because A Ever
since he was a boy, Neil wanted to fly planes. B.
Neil just like building any kind of model he could
or see Neil would build model planes and sell them
to other kids. Hey, that's correct. The answer is A.
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Neil Armstrong was fascinated by planes and flying as a
young boy. He took his first plane ride when he
was six, and loved building model planes at of balsa wood,
wire and tissue paper. He'd even use a fan in
his family's basement as a wind tunnel to see how
well his models flew. Okay, Evelyn, here's the next object
for you. It's an eagle. Oh it's flying around the studio.
(12:29):
Luckily our studio has a window. Let me just there
you go, Eagle be free, thanks be Why would Neil
Armstrong have an eagle in his backpack? A. The spacecraft
Neil landed on the Moon was named the Eagle. B.
Neil wanted to open a bird sanctuary. Or see, Neil
wanted a pet that liked flying just as much as
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he did. That's right, The answer is A. The Eagle
was the landing module that actually landed on the Moon.
The Eagle had to touch down on a flat surface,
otherwise it wouldn't have been able to take off from
the Moon's surface, again, leaving the astronauts stranded. The landing
was meant to be controlled by computers, but Neil saw
that the landing area was too rocky, so he took
(13:09):
the controls and with less than a minute's worth of fuel,
he found a better place to land. Amazing, Raymond, This
next object is for you. Okay, it's sand, well, like
a lot of sand, maybe too much sand. Why would
this be in Neil Armstrong's backpack? Is it because he
(13:29):
he wanted to make a sandbox at NASA B he
worked as a test pilot in the Majabi Desert. Or
see he loved building sandcastles. B. Yes, the answer is B.
After he was a fighter pilot, but before he was
an astronaut, Neil was a test pilot. He worked at
Edwards Air Force Base in California's Majabi Desert as a
test pilot, kneeled out to fly new types of aircraft.
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One of the experimental aircraft Neil flu was called the
X fifteen super cool name. It was rocket propelled and
could go nearly four thousand miles an hour and reach
altitude of two hundred and seven thousand, five hundred feet.
That altitude was considered the start of outer space, so
flying the X fifteen was an early test for flying
into space as an astronaut. Evelyn get ready for the
(14:12):
final object. Let's see here. That startled me. Oh, it's
a tent and it popped right into shape. Why would
a tent be in Neil Armstrong's backpack? Is it a
he loved to camp out in his backyard. B he
owned a sporting goods store called One Giant Leap Sporting Goods,
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or see it was used in his astronaut training. Correct.
The answer is ce Neil and the other astronauts did
training exercises that seemingly didn't have much to do with
being an astronaut, such as being sent to Panama with
only a small tent and a survival kit. However, it
actually had a lot to do with being an astronaut.
Upon returning from the Moon, a spacecraft might land anywhere
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on Earth, places like a mountaintop, where the desert or
the jungle. In such an event, Neil and the other
astronauts would need to know how to survive until they
were rescued, and hey, maybe they'd find out the moon
had a jungle on it. I don't know. I've never
been there. And that's the end of Backpack from the Past.
Back from the Past. We're going to take one more
(15:16):
break and then we'll be back with scores and our
final game. So stay excuse me, we're recording a show.
You can't just barge in. Hello and Neil Armstrong, good things.
That's right, the two and only started to interrupt. Well
it's okay, um, Hey, what are you guys doing here?
(15:36):
Are you here to teach us more about your lives?
I see how you think that, But no, we had
here because we are in the new season this spectacular race.
Wait that silly worldwide scavenger hunt reality game, Showa shilly.
By the way, you have never even been to China
(15:57):
or space? Am I right? Empty? Sick? He hasn't. That's
truth in comedy, right there. So how has the competition
been going so far? Fan tasting you may be surprised
to hear this. There's a lot in astronaut and an
explorer from the fourteenth century can learn from each other,
(16:18):
like what well I learned that Neil was both a
highly skilled pilot and an engineer, so he know the
mechanics of planes and the flight. I'm sure that gave
him an upper hand. And wink it they wink when
he applied to be an astra. Well I learned. I
learned Old Marco's trip to China back home was eleven
thousand miles. It's that sounds like a long trip to me.
(16:41):
And I've been on the mooning back home. Think about
it that way, And I learned that the footprints mea
left on the moon are still there to this very day.
I mean, I left my body that was, but not literally.
It's true, Marco here inspired other explorers, and when you
think about it, isn't space travel the ultimate exploration. I mean,
(17:04):
you gotta crawl before you can walk, and you gotta
sail on the seats before you sail to the move.
But honestly, despite all those accomplishments, we can't win this
reality show and hope to get on an all star
season without a little help from you, right now, all right,
all right, well what can we do for you? Well,
my friend, Team Polo Strong, that's us, you mean Team
(17:28):
Arms Strollo School Schools it's easy. We are very close
to the next leg of this spectacular race, but according
to our crew, we need a microphone. I wish we
could help, but this equipment all belongs to the studio,
not to me. And be come on, pal, don't you
want to help your favorite space stakes and you're a
(17:49):
favorite sailor man? First of all, sir, all due respect,
my favorite sailor man is Popeye. Hey, Elliott, maybe we
should take a page out of their book what Hey?
Get your feel the hooks off on my BOOKA It
was the only thing that kept me going when I
was behind bars in Genoa. That's the book. He's like
a son to me, and my son is like it
(18:10):
looked to me now that they think abouten not literally, Marco.
I mean maybe we should take more risks and be
more adventurous, Elliott. These two are heroes and the least
we can do is help them win a reality competition
that has little to no bearing on anything. What do
you say, kids, Okay, fine, take a microphone. We'll just
(18:30):
tell the studio be lost it or that I ate it.
I do a lot of wacky stuff over here. Friends,
We must go now if we want to stay ahead.
Of the other team. They dreaded Mike and Nicki. They
told everyone right at the start that they weren't here
to make friends. And you believe that. Okay, good luck.
(18:52):
Now we'll take that break, and not just because I
need an invitrophone. Are please boil us some experimental playing
music store your carry one from your sal you who
(19:12):
was there, Marie Carrie? You may remember me from winning
multiple Nobel prizes, or perhaps from my episode of the
Worst Podcast where I played myself. I wanted to take
a moment to read one of my favorite reviews about
the Whos podcast. This is from Shaking Bay and it
reads loved this Me and my little sister love this
(19:36):
show more. Please Our faith is Rie Toban. If you
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in the I Heart Radio up or wherever you give
your podcasts revoir or should I stay abbiendo. Welcome back
(20:00):
to the Who Was Podcast. Today we're learning who was
Marco Polo and who was Neil Armstrong? And now he's
your host, Elliott Cola. Thanks be and without further ado,
let's take one giant leap to producer Jane for the scores,
Hellium be it. Don't mind telling you that there's no
giant separation in the scores. They are tied at six
points each. Oh, it's such a close game. Amazing. We'll
(20:23):
see how things turn out in our final game, Converge
of Greatness, which is happening right now. That's such inspiring music.
It's probably what they listened to when they went to
the moon. Maybe they just listened to whale sounds. In
this multiple choice game for BLO score how Marco Polo
(20:46):
and Neil Armstrong connect, over lap or converge. Choose the
best answer ach question, and because we're dealing with double
the history, each question will be worth three points. Ready.
First question goes to Evelyn the take us Away. Marco,
Polo and Armstrong both worked as part of a crew.
Marco started out on his father and uncle ship. Neil
(21:06):
went to the Moon with two other astronauts named a
Captain Kirk and Mr Spock b Buzz Aldrin and Michael
Collins or see Han Solo and Luke Skywalker B. Yes,
the answer is be the only answer with real people's, actual,
real living names in them. Armstrong was the commander of
(21:28):
the Apollo eleven mission. Once they're spacecraft, the Columbia was
pulled into the Moon's orbit. He and Buzz Aldron left
the craft in a landing device for the Moon's surface.
Michael Collins had to stay aboard the Columbia and orbit
the Moon while Neil and Buzz got to do fun
stuff like plant a flag and collect rocks. Yeah, poor
Michael Collins. It's like he had a layover at the
Moon and didn't get to see anything besides the airport. Yeah,
(21:49):
something like that. Okay, Raymond, this next question is for you.
Neil Armstrong and Marco Polo both had plans that didn't
quite go the way they hoped. Neil finished college later
than he had tended due to war, and Marco had
difficulty leaving China because a there was too much traffic,
b his boat needed repairs that he couldn't afford. Or
(22:10):
see Kubla Khan didn't want him to leave. See. The
answer is see by the time he was in his
late thirties, Marco Polo had spent half his life at China.
Many times over the years, Marco, his father and his
uncle had asked Kubla Khan if they could leave and
go home. But the Great Cohn said, oh, con Trair,
I like having the Polos, you know, Yolo, so no low.
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Without the cons protection, the trip back to Italy would
be too dangerous, so Marco felt stuck. But in twelve
ninety one, the Polos got lucky and Kubla Khan let
them leave China to escort a Mongol princess who was
going to Persia to be married. It's a classic story.
It's how I got at a summer camp. Evelyn back
to you for his next question. Marco Polo and Neil
Armstrong both faced the dangerous of the unknown. When Neil
(22:56):
Armstrong was the command pilot of Gemini eight, he and
his co pilot were put in danger when a Aliens
attacked B Gemini eight started spinning out of control or
ce Gemini eight lost oxygen. Yes, the answer is B.
Neil and his co pilot, David Scott, were docking Gemini
(23:18):
ate was satellite already in space when Gemini eight started
spinning out of control. The ship was rolling so violently
that both astronaut's vision began to blur like cartoon characters
or something. Neil managed to work Gemini's hand controls and
steady the spacecraft. The problem was a faulty thruster, a
small rocket that provides forward motion. Raymond, let's take it
(23:38):
home with the final question. Neil Armstrong and Marco Polo
both brought material home that most people had never seen before.
For Armstrong this meant lunar material from the move, but
for Marco Polo this was a fascinating new material for
many Europeans, a cotton b silk or see pleather cotton
(24:01):
and I'm sorry the answer was actually be silk. At
this time, silk made from the cocoons of silkworms was
only manufactured in China and nowhere else. It was hard
to get and highly prized. Other rare goods the Polos
might find or bring back included nutmeg, cinnamon, pepper, porcelain,
crude oil, the very best melons in the world. That's
just objectively true, coal pearls and ivory. Put all those
(24:24):
things together with lunar material, that a delicious stew and
the end of that game means it's just about the
end of the show. While Jane Tally is the score,
I'd love to hear from the contestants. What was something
(24:44):
you were surprised to learn about Marco Polo and Neil Armstrong, Evelyn,
what surprised you? I didn't know that Marco Polo he
actually met his dad. Thing was fifteen, like because he
was on a trip so like like a trading chip,
so he didn't get to like see your dad for
the very first time till he is fifteen. That's right.
It took so long to travel back then, and people
(25:05):
had to go so far so slowly that he did.
His dad wasn't even home until he was a teenager.
It's amazing when you think about how it took Neil
Armstrong and the Apollo restronauts less time to go to
the moon and back then it took Marco Polo and
his family to travel between Italy and China. It's just
I guess, I guess it's not that surprising. A spaceship
is is should be faster than like a horse. But
(25:27):
you know, that's uh, you know what. I'm still going
to stand by my original statement that it's pretty amazing.
It's pretty amazing. And Raymond, what surprised you about Marco
Polo or Neil Armstrong. One thing that surprised me about
Marco Polo was that people didn't leave very much of
what he said, even though like most of the stuff
that he said actually came true. Yeah, it was interesting,
like to to think about that and say like, oh,
(25:50):
it's a unicorn, but actually was were a rhinoceros. So
he didn't know what he didn't know, right, um, And
so he wrote about it and people were like, no,
you're a liar. I don't think it's that he was
lying necessarily, it's that he was trying to put in
a context things that people had could never even imagine.
Although it does make me wonder what it is about
Marco Polo that when he came back, people were not
(26:11):
inclined to believe him, Like, do you think I wonder
if when Marco Polo was talking, he was like yeah,
yeah and I saw yeah it was like unicorn, yeah yeah,
and there's these big nuts as big as your head.
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's what it was. Just maybe the
way he talks, maybe people not believe him. I don't know, Marco,
if you're listening, have confidence in your statements and people
will believe all your stories. It's right. Well, thank you
(26:33):
so much for sharing both of your surprising learnings about
Marco polo, and now it is time for the big moment. Jane,
please announced our winner for today. Oh well, yeah, it
was a very close contest throughout, but at the end
Evil then launched herself into the winning circle with twelve points. Congratulations, Evelyn,
(26:54):
you played a game. Raymond who also played a fantastic game,
which should be very happy and very proud with how
you did today, Evelyn. As our winner, you have ten
seconds for your shout out scope work. Who would you
like to thank for bringing you to this victory. I'd
like to thank by mom, my dad, by three chiplate brothers,
by friends, by two guinea pigs, and my dog Lucy.
(27:14):
Oh nice, Okay, we get shoutouts for the dogs Lucy
and Zelda. Love that. And I have to know are
the guinea pigs twins? Um? They're actually cousins. Yeah, what
they wanted. Identical twin cousins. Identical twin cousins. They look alike,
sound alike. They're both guinea pigs. Our winner and their
(27:35):
library of choice where we're receiving a selection of who
was books And I'm going to give my own shout
outs to intern Zach Jane, Eric Jonah Ray for being
our Neil Armstrong and Chris Ferry for being our Marco
Polo and of course to be And a big thank
you to both of our contestants who both played an
amazing game today. And of course, most of all, the
biggest thank you in the universe goes to you the
(27:56):
listener for listening. Thank you. Next week join us as
we find out who Was two more amazing figures from history.
Until then, this is Elliott X fifteen Kalin saying We're history. Goodbye.
Everybody got a question for any of our famous figures,
Send us a voice memo at the Who Was Podcast
(28:17):
at gmail dot com. It might just end up on
the show. The Who Was Podcast, as produced by Radio Point,
I Heart Media and Penguin Workshop, is based on the
best selling who h Q series published by Penguin. This
show was hosted by Elliott Klin with co host Megan
O'Neill as b It also starred Jane Baker as producer, Jane,
Eric shack Me as Eric, Chris Ferry as Marco Polo,
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and Jonah Ray as Neil Armstrong. Executive producers are Richard Porson,
Alex Foch, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neill Daniel Powell and Houston Snyder.
Executive producer for Penguin Workshop is Francesco Sadita. Executive producer
for iHeart Media is Lindsay Hoffman. This show was written
by Devin Coleman, Elliott Klin, and Megan O'Neill, who was
produced by Bernie Kaminsky and Taylor Kawalski. The talent was
(28:59):
produced by Jane Baker. The theme song and the music
were composed and performed by Eric Shackney, who was edited
and mixed by Kate Moldenhower, who was recorded by Alison Worth.
Special thanks to Zach Timpson, Charlotte Dianda, and Michael Lewis Howard.
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