June 15, 2022 • 27 mins
Two determined contestants face off to discover who knows more about these pioneers of justice! Elliott eats a spider donut!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Uh be, why are you wearing a rattlesnake like a scarf?
Eleanor Rose about said do one thing every day? It
scares you, So I'm taking her advice. I think she
meant more like trying something new or standing up to
power like our other famous figures so journal Truth did
in her lifetime. Okay, in that case, maybe don't open
(00:22):
that box that says donuts that I brought in for you.
Oh I already did, and I meant to thank you.
I don't know where you found a bakery in town
that does spider donuts, but they're my favorite. Sounds like
your snake friend agrees with me. You know what else?
I bet he like? What a raucous theme song with
lots of fun, booming music and intense vibrations. IRAQ, play
(00:43):
us in and make it loud, Startle that snake body
thinking about the game is on. Get some then aj
burkle up your brain because signed to Places podcast Because
(01:04):
it's Todd who Live from tom galand or so called
SoCal Los Angeles. Welcome to Who Was? The History quiz
show that gives contestants the chance to win mega prizes
and podcast glory. I'm b and I put the noun
in an nouncer. And here's your host, the man who
(01:26):
finds so spicy. It's Allian Kaylin. Thank you, b it's
a medical issue. And welcome everyone to the Who Was Podcast.
The show is like Jeopardy, only with surprise guests, silly games,
and better banter. Let's be honest, we don't have to
be modest about it. Our contestants were sent who Was
books about two great figures from history. Now they're here
to show off their knowledge and the hopes of winning
(01:46):
fantastic prizes. Today we're talking about two women whose words
shape the world. It's first lady and activist Eleanor Roosevelt
and abolitionist and pioneering women's rights activists so Jenner. True.
But before we get to know them, let's get to
know how our contestants. Okay, First up, we have Aya, Aya.
(02:07):
Will you please introduce yourself? Hi, I have Ay and
I have one dog. Oh okay, cool? What is your
dog's name? Lena? Lena? What kind of dog is she?
And what's like one fun thing that Lena does? Um?
She is a mixed an Aussie Shepherd and a black
(02:27):
masker and she is very good when I like to
train her with tricks and very very keeyful. Okay cool, Well,
thank you so much for sharing and then with us
today we also have Vivian. Vivian, please introduce yourself. Hi.
I'm Vivian and I created a business with my friends
(02:47):
selling cat puppets. Oh whoa, Okay, we're gonna have to
go into this little bit. We need to break this
down because I want to know everything I can possibly
know about this cat business. So first of all, I
love it because we have a little head to head competition.
We have a dog person and a cat person pets.
I love that. So tell us more about this um
cat puppet business. Um, how did you decide to start it?
(03:10):
What is it call? Um? It's called Margaret and Clouds
where kittens are made and basically, um, it started being
in theater class. When you're making our paperback puppets. My
friend needed a prop cat, so I made it four
of them and uh one of our friends liked it.
So now we have a business. Wow, well that is
(03:31):
so exciting. And f y I theo who was podcast
is looking for sponsors. So Market and Clouds is looking
to sponsor a history quiz show. We are open to that.
I have a question, how how much does a cat
puppet go for? How much are you charging for these? Um?
Kittens cost about a dollar fifty and adults cost around
to fifty with other other customize fool things included with
(03:56):
extra money. Yeah, and I'm guessing hairballs or a strap
because they always are. It's the guacamole of cat puppets.
It's always little extra. Yeah. You never you didn't want
it there, but it's there, but it's coming, but it's there. Yeah, yeah, Okay, Well,
thank you both so much. Thank you, and thank you
to Eric, our musician, for providing that lovely Meet the
Contestants music and all the music on the show today.
(04:19):
So that's who is. Now let's find out who was
Eleanor Roosevelt with four fast facts. She was in the
White House from ninety three to ninety five and is
the longest serving First Lady. Helped to draft the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights, represented her husband, President f DR
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throughout the world and got the nickname everywhere. Eleanor fought
for equality and to bring an end to segregation in
the United States. Also, I should mention she was the
one of the founders of Brandeis University, where my wife
went to college. Oh go Owls. It's not the team
that they have, But there's so much more to learn
about Eleanor that we simply must get to our next game.
(05:03):
We don't have time to correct you about what the
team name at Brandeis University is. Here's our game. It's
something we call by any other name, you know, like
a Roosevelt by any other name. Thank you. I'll be
here all week unless I figure out how this door works.
In this game, we will describe something from Eleanor's life,
(05:26):
but using an odd rhyming word or phrase instead of
the exact one we're looking for. You must decipher what
she's saying and tell us what she means. Aya, you're
upe first, okay I. Eleanor's father died when she was
a child, but his brother, her funcle Petty, always doated
on the young Eleanor and would one day walk her
down the aisle at her wedding. Okay, So, Eleanor's father
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died when she was a child, but her uncle teddy.
Ohay is that's great. You don't have to remember the
whole sentence. That's great. We're just looking for the one word.
So you got it right because the word we were
replacing was f uncle petty, and you had said uncle Teddy,
way to go. That's right, Uncle Teddy Teddy Roosevelt Theodore Roosevelt,
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who was at the time of her wedding the President
of the United States. Uncle petty also sounds like something
you might want to get looked at if it's on
your feet, Maybe get a doctor in some kind of
cream for that. Our next question is we're Vivian Eleanor
was nervous about attending this big party or restaurant mall
where young sons and daughters of New York society make
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their official entrance onto the social scene. Do you mean
coming out ball? Well, accept it. We would have accepted
debutante ball or coming out ball. Eleanor came from a
very wealthy New York family, and this was a write
of passage at the time for all young ladies from
such families. Okay, the next question is for I again.
All right. In first, lady Eleanor attended a conference with
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her friend, the African American educator Mary McLoyd Bethoon. But
the two we are not allowed to sit next to
each other because of segregation laws in the state of Chaska.
Grandma was that Alabama. They're right, No, that's exactly it.
Don't ETN give us another answer. You've got the answer
is Alabama. Eleanor sat in a chair she plays in
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the aisle between the two sections as a protest of
Alabama's segregation laws. It was a small gesture Eleanor used
to point out inequality between the people in our nation. Okay,
next question for Vivian. Eleanor made herself accessible throughout FDR's
political career. She visited impoverished areas to bring awareness and
reached millions of others through her newspaper column, which was
(07:38):
entitled Pie Sway. Newspaper column was entitled my Day. That's
You're exactly right, that's it my day. Although Pie Sway
would be a great column where I guess she would
convince people to like kinds of pie that they didn't
like already. Yeah, or would be a good band name. Yeah,
that's true. The public felt they knew Eleanor, and she
received more mail than anyone else at the White House,
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which is pretty impressive considering the President also lived at
the White House. Even more shocking and impressive, she responded
to all of the letters. I don't know how she
did anything else, frankly by any other name, any other
And that's the end of the game. Well played game everyone, Producer, Jane,
will you please let us know the scores? Well, Elliott
(08:23):
Aya and Vivian fock Hard just like Eleanor, and they
both have two points. Excellent, You've got a tie game.
That means that the game has to continue. That's right
for everyone who hoped the episode would ends now, too bad,
it's going to thank you. You've got more. Who was podcast?
Was show? So let's keep the show moving and learn
about Sojourner Truth with four fast facts. Her given name
(08:50):
was Isabella bomb Free. She changed to sojourn Her Truth
in eighteen forty three because she felt it was her
religious obligation to go forth and speak the truth. She
want to land to mark lawsuit for the right to
her son's freedom. She was an early human rights crusader.
She is the first African American woman to have a
statue in the Capitol Building. Prospects. Now, this is usually
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the part of the show where we go on to
the next game segment, but we happen to have two
very special guests with us in the studio. Please welcome
Eleanor Roosevelt and Sojourner Truth. Hello, joor Truth here and
Eleanor Roosevelt glad to be here, just out of curiosity.
How did you both reach us? We just used who
was It? Who was wandering? Best? Who was app It's
(09:45):
more fun than word? Oh wordle Jenkins of the Boston
Jenkins No, it's it's a game with words for everybody.
Don't don't worry about We don't have time to get
into it right now, and it's a competing game. Don't
worry about it. What brings you both here today? Lenora
and I heard the Who Was Podcast was doing an
episode featuring both of us, and we thought we'd tell
(10:07):
you about a new podcast we have. You two have
a podcast, a podcast? Please? I have two and I
have four. Wow, that's a lot, Okay, amazing. Please tell
us more about the podcast you have together. It's called
Adventures Abroad Unconventional Conventions. It's a travel show about trips
(10:27):
we took to conventions where we stood out. Brought to
you by Triangle Space. Triangle Space. It's a great platform.
And trust me, I know from platforms right because you
both traveled extensively and gave a lot of speeches. Well,
my name basically means to travel and tell the truth,
and it's how I earned my nickname. Everywhere Eleanor join
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us every week as we relive some of our biggest moments,
like when I was a black woman and working class
women and eighteen fifty one women's movement, which was unconventional
in and of itself, spoke at the Women's Convention in Akron, Ohio.
The organizers weren't too happy about me speaking because they
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didn't want to confuse the abolitionists and the women's movement. Yes,
but I ended up giving the most famous speech of
the event. It's now known as the an I a
Woman's Speech. Wow, that's amazing, that's impressive. Yes, And sometimes
we talk about breaking conventions, like the convention I broke
(11:35):
when I resigned from the Daughters of the American Revolution
because they refused to let opera singer Mary and Anderson
perform at Constitution Hall because she was black, And the
way I turned the convention of selling books on its
head by traveling across the US and giving speeches about
my life to crowds. We talked about how unconventional it
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was for a first lady have a cause until I
took office, or how unconventional it was for presidents to
meet with black women in my time. But I met
the three after they heard about my important work helping
the black community. Wow, that's a lot of accomplishments. That's
(12:19):
just the first season. We've signed on for a twelve
season deal. Yes, in all twelve seasons brought to you
by Triangle Space. What are you waiting for? Triangle Space
makes building a website far easier than building an equitable
nation on the I Heart app, Apple podcast or wherever
(12:39):
you get your podcasts. Now, If you'll excuse me, I
must run. I'm late for a lunch date with Shakespeare.
We're having let me guess, chicken fingers, Yes, a top
now moor goobiolin or and thank you. Everyone always has
(13:00):
chicken friners to the Shakespeare. Yes, it's a real histories mysteries,
not a mystery. It's just a histories, histories, habits, histories,
culinary Habit has histories, favorite foods. So journal, are you
free to stay around a little longer? Maybe play our
next game with us? Sounds good? Excellent? That would be fantastic,
don't go anywhere. Who Was Hers will be right back. Eric,
(13:21):
play us some conventions, music, comic. Welcome back to the
Who Was Podcast. Today we're learning all about Eleanor Roosevelt
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and Sojourner Truth. When we last left off, Aya had
two points and Videan had two points. It's a tie.
And now here's your host, Elliott Kaylin. Thank you be
Let's see how long this tie lasts. And thank you
to our special guest, Sojourner Truth was made. Time to
play our next game. It's called true or false? False, false,
(14:06):
a false? Or is a true? It is a true
that it is false? It was true or true? True
or false? A lot of questions and we're gonna need
some answers, our wonderful guests to journal. Will we be
reading the questions for one point each. You let us
know if it's sojourn or truth or the Journal or false. Vivian,
you are up first. True or false. The place in Washington,
(14:30):
d C. Where I helped formally enslaved people build community
and learned skills was called the Northampton Association. True. I'm
sorry that's false. It was called the Freedman's Hospital. It's
just one way. So journal helped formally enslave people build
new lives after the Civil War. Don't worry, there's lots
(14:50):
of questions coming up I have. This next question is
for you. If Elizabeth Caddy Staton tells you that it
was her idea to push for equal pay for women,
don't believe her. It was my idea. Um, it was true. True. Yes,
As a black woman and working class woman, I knew
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firsthand how important a equality would be for women to
reach equal ground in the US. Okay, the next question
is for Vivian. Most people know my an I Woman's speech,
but the phrase our nerves sing us, our tears and
blood have been sacrificed on the altar of this nation's
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avarice is from a different speech known as the d
Day Speech because it was given on the first day
of December. True. False. Yeah, that snippet is from a
speech I gave to Congress after President Grant did not
give me the help I needed to pass my land
Grant proposal. No, thank you, Grant. You'd think you would
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have done it. His name is Grant. It's a land
Grand proposal. Every ay, buddy's a winner. Unfortunately, no, ayah,
This last question is for you. I was able to
bring my son Peter from enslavement in Alabama to New
York through a daring rescue with my Quaker friends, in
an operation we called quake my Day. False. That is both.
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I filed a lawsuit against the man who had sold
him across state lines. She was the first black woman
to win a lawsuit of this kind in the United States.
You know what, But now you have the phrase quake
my day. I hope you can use it for something cool.
And that's the end of the round. True true, true,
(16:40):
fault and that's true or false. Let's go to producer
Jane with the scores. Jane, quake my Day? What the scores?
I am too, Elliott by telling you that Aya has
four points and Vivian two, so I is a head,
but it's still a very close game. True. That's so truth. Yeah,
but is that is the sojournal truth? Speaking of sojourner truth.
(17:03):
Thank you so much for being here with us. Oh
you know what, it is my pleasure. I just want
to let you know I have to get going soon.
But I wanted to ask the contestants if you could
come up with a fantastic name for yourself like, Sojournal Truth? Uh,
what would that name be? So I Vivian if you
had to come up with a new name for yourself,
(17:23):
maybe one that describes what you hope to do. Maybe, um,
I really want to be an actress when I grew up.
Maybe like I actress? I actor. I like that, Dramaya
maybe like drum like drama. Oh yeah, I kind of
like that. And Vivian, what do you think of your friends?
Just call me fluffy hair but your friends are It
(17:47):
sounds like you've got the name already. That's a great
I mean, fluffy hair cat puppet is a pretty great
is a pretty fantastic name, right yeah? And it looks
great on a a business card Fluffy hair cat puppet Esquire.
Oh yeah, so as you're a lawyer now, I don't know.
I think Esquire is always a good thing to put
on a business card, whether it's true or not. That well,
I think, uh, it's a good time for the Journal
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Truth to say goodbye. If we're if we're doubting the
very nature of truth, be okay, never doubt the truth.
Just thank you all so much for having me, And
thanks again? Who was apt more? And now the rest
of us at the Who Was Podcast are going to
(18:29):
say goodbye to but it's only for a moment. We'll
be right just back after this break with more Who Was? Eric?
Play us some quick my day in music? Please don't
confuse us with the Shakers Sally? Who was? Marie Curie?
(18:55):
You may remember me from winning multiple Nobel Prizes off
fapts from my pisode of the Who Worst Podcast where
I played myself. I wanted to take a moment to
read one of my favorite reviews about the Who Was Podcast.
This is from Shaken Bay and it reads loved this
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(19:18):
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should I stay abien to Welcome back to the Who Was? Podcast? Today?
(19:42):
Who was eleanor Roosevelt? And who was sojourn or True?
When we last left off, Aya had four points and
Vivian had two points. Back to our host Ellie Klin,
thank you be As we head into our next and
final segment, it's really still anyone's game because there's a
lot of points to be had in this one. Contestants
get ready to play Converge of Greatness. So inspiring. Now,
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both Sojourner and Eleanor had incredible lives, and in this
multiple choice game, you'll tell us where they connect, overlap
or converge. And because recovering two times the history, this
game is worth two times the points. That's two points
for each question. So let's get started with the first
question for Aya take it away? Be all right? Aya.
Eleanor Roosevelt went to school in Europe and learned fluent French.
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But Sojourner Truth spoke multiple languages too. As a young girl.
What was sojoenn Or Truth's first language? Was it a Dutch?
Be English or see the thracky um. It was a Dutch.
That's right, it was a Dutch. Because her family was
enslaved by Dutch immigrants. She grew up speaking Dutch and
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struggled to learn English as she grew ale, or, eventually
learning English so well that she became a brilliant public speaker.
Doth Raki is, of course a made up language, though
in a way aren't all languages made up? Next? Question
is Ravivian Eleanor in sojourn Or Truth had close relationships
with their fathers, though they were often separated. Eleanor's father
was frequently in the hospital because of alcoholism. But why
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did sojourn Or Truth rarely see her father. Was it
a His work as a traveling salesman kept him on
the move. B they lived on different metro north lines
or see Sojourner was taken from her family as a
young girl and sold at an auction see Yet answer
is correct, though Sojourner's father was no longer his enslaved himself,
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he didn't have the money to free her when she
was young. Slavery wouldn't end in New York State for
another twenty one years, and not in the whole United
States until June sixty five, which we now commemorate on juneteenth. Okay,
the next question is for Ayah. As we know, sojourn
Or Truth and Eleanor Roosevelt were regulars at conventions and conferences.
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Sojourner was a regular at women's rights conventions and Eleanor
Roosevelt fought for human rights as a member of the
biggest convention in the world. Was it a the World Court,
be the United Nations or see the Galactic Federation. Okay,
it was the the United Nations. That's right, the the
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United Nations. Eleanor was one of the first American delegates,
which is just a fancy word for people that America
sent to represent America. One of the first American delegates
to the United Nations. She was also the first chairperson
of the U N's Commission on Human Rights. And now
the next question is for Vivian Eleanor was the niece
of President Theodore Roosevelt and the wife of f DR.
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But sojourn Or Truth met a lot of presidents too.
Which of the following presidents did she not ask to
sign an autograph in her book of Life? Was it
a Abraham Lincoln, b Ulysses S. Grant or c Andrew Johnson.
I think it was c Andrew Johnson. You're right, the
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answer is c Andrew Johnson. She got Lincoln and Grant signatures,
but she passed on getting Johnson's because she just didn't
like him from the start, just didn't like him. Book
of Life more like a book of Burne. Am I right?
And that beautiful music means it's the end of the game.
(23:32):
While we wait for Jane to tell you the scores,
I'd like to ask our contestants was there anything that
really stuck out to them in learning about these two
famous figures, some things that really they found memorable or surprising.
Let's start with you. Well, I think I've heard of
Eleanor Roosevelt a lot more than so Gender Truth, Like
I heard of like Harriet Tubman a lot more than
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so Jenner Truth. But I feel like I felt like
it was really really fun learning about both of them.
And there are so many stuff I like, was like
amazed by. I learned a lot more about sogn Or
Truth learning about this, Like I didn't know that she
had a land grant proposal to help reparations. I had
no idea she was involved in that. It's really interesting.
(24:14):
That was really cool. And I also watched the a't
iowoman's speech and I thought that was really amazing. That's great.
I thank you, Vivian. Is there anything about either of
our historical figures that really jumped out to you? Well,
I knew more more about sojourn Or Truth than I
do that I did about Eleanor Roosevelt because I read
the sojourn Or truth one before, but in the Eleanor
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Roosevelt one, I was surprised to hear that she was
part of the United Nations. I was surprised about that too. Yeah,
that she's someone who just because of her words and
her ideas and her compassion for other people, became such
a worldwide global figure. It's very it's very impressive and
very amazing. And she's another person where you watched video
(24:58):
of her speeches and they just they just completely overwhelm you. Nice. Well,
thank you both so much for sharing. Yes, thank you
very much. And now it's time for the big moment.
Jane Lee's announced our winner. Who is it going to be?
Elliott and b I have to tell you that Vivian
had six points, but I had jumped ahead with eight
and she is our winner. Ourratulations. I had great game, Vivian,
(25:22):
very close game. You both played very well. I A
you have ten seconds for shout out school. Would you
like to thank for helping you get where you are today? Um,
both of my parents, Um, definitely, and my friends and
my dog, And yeah, I couldn't have done it without
a parents. That's great. As a parent myself, I really
(25:46):
appreciate you saying that my children never thank me for anything.
You and your school library while receiving a set of
Who Was books. I'll give a shout out myself to
intern Zach, Jane Eric to Kesha's Alert for being our
sojournal Truth. Thank you very much and to be in
a big thank you to both of our contestants who
played an amazing game. And thank you to you at
home for listening to this episode. Next week please come
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back to us, we'll be learning who Was two more
amazing people from history. Until then, this is Elliott Everywhere
Calin saying we are history. Goodbye, everybody. Thank you. Got
a question for any of our famous figures, Send us
a voice memo at who Was Podcast at gmail dot com.
It might just end up on the show. Who Was
Podcast is produced by Radio Point, I Heart Media and
(26:31):
Penguin Workshop, based on the best selling who h Q
series published by Penguin. Who Was Podcast is hosted by
Elliott Calin with co host Megan O'Neill as b also
starring Jane Baker as Producer, Jane, Eric shackne Az, Eric
Keisha z Aller as Sojourner Truth, and Megan O'Neill as
Eleanor Roosevelt. The executive producers are Richard Corson, Alex Bach,
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Elliott Calin, Megan O'Neil, Daniel Powell, and Houston Snyder. The
executive producer for Penguin Workshop his Friendcesco Sadita. The executive
producer or for iHeart Media is Lindsay Hawk. This episode
was written by Megan O'Neill, Elliott Kaylin, and Jane Baker.
This podcast was produced by Bernie Kaminski. Our talent producer
is Jane Baker. The theme song and music were composed
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and performed by Eric Shackney, edited and mixed by Kate
molden howerd recorded by Joanna Samuels. Special thanks to Zach Timpson,
Charlotte Dianda, Daniel Goodman, and Michael Lewis Howard, who was
podcast was recorded at the iHeart Studios in Los Angeles, California.
Sound services were provided by Great City Post Podcast because
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it's standard
Uh be, why are you wearing a rattlesnake like a scarf?
Eleanor Rose about said do one thing every day? It
scares you, So I'm taking her advice. I think she
meant more like trying something new or standing up to
power like our other famous figures so journal Truth did
in her lifetime. Okay, in that case, maybe don't open
(00:22):
that box that says donuts that I brought in for you.
Oh I already did, and I meant to thank you.
I don't know where you found a bakery in town
that does spider donuts, but they're my favorite. Sounds like
your snake friend agrees with me. You know what else?
I bet he like? What a raucous theme song with
lots of fun, booming music and intense vibrations. IRAQ, play
(00:43):
us in and make it loud, Startle that snake body
thinking about the game is on. Get some then aj
burkle up your brain because signed to Places podcast Because
(01:04):
it's Todd who Live from tom galand or so called
SoCal Los Angeles. Welcome to Who Was? The History quiz
show that gives contestants the chance to win mega prizes
and podcast glory. I'm b and I put the noun
in an nouncer. And here's your host, the man who
(01:26):
finds so spicy. It's Allian Kaylin. Thank you, b it's
a medical issue. And welcome everyone to the Who Was Podcast.
The show is like Jeopardy, only with surprise guests, silly games,
and better banter. Let's be honest, we don't have to
be modest about it. Our contestants were sent who Was
books about two great figures from history. Now they're here
to show off their knowledge and the hopes of winning
(01:46):
fantastic prizes. Today we're talking about two women whose words
shape the world. It's first lady and activist Eleanor Roosevelt
and abolitionist and pioneering women's rights activists so Jenner. True.
But before we get to know them, let's get to
know how our contestants. Okay, First up, we have Aya, Aya.
(02:07):
Will you please introduce yourself? Hi, I have Ay and
I have one dog. Oh okay, cool? What is your
dog's name? Lena? Lena? What kind of dog is she?
And what's like one fun thing that Lena does? Um?
She is a mixed an Aussie Shepherd and a black
(02:27):
masker and she is very good when I like to
train her with tricks and very very keeyful. Okay cool, Well,
thank you so much for sharing and then with us
today we also have Vivian. Vivian, please introduce yourself. Hi.
I'm Vivian and I created a business with my friends
(02:47):
selling cat puppets. Oh whoa, Okay, we're gonna have to
go into this little bit. We need to break this
down because I want to know everything I can possibly
know about this cat business. So first of all, I
love it because we have a little head to head competition.
We have a dog person and a cat person pets.
I love that. So tell us more about this um
cat puppet business. Um, how did you decide to start it?
(03:10):
What is it call? Um? It's called Margaret and Clouds
where kittens are made and basically, um, it started being
in theater class. When you're making our paperback puppets. My
friend needed a prop cat, so I made it four
of them and uh one of our friends liked it.
So now we have a business. Wow, well that is
(03:31):
so exciting. And f y I theo who was podcast
is looking for sponsors. So Market and Clouds is looking
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thank you both so much. Thank you, and thank you
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Contestants music and all the music on the show today.
(04:19):
So that's who is. Now let's find out who was
Eleanor Roosevelt with four fast facts. She was in the
White House from ninety three to ninety five and is
the longest serving First Lady. Helped to draft the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights, represented her husband, President f DR
(04:41):
throughout the world and got the nickname everywhere. Eleanor fought
for equality and to bring an end to segregation in
the United States. Also, I should mention she was the
one of the founders of Brandeis University, where my wife
went to college. Oh go Owls. It's not the team
that they have, But there's so much more to learn
about Eleanor that we simply must get to our next game.
(05:03):
We don't have time to correct you about what the
team name at Brandeis University is. Here's our game. It's
something we call by any other name, you know, like
a Roosevelt by any other name. Thank you. I'll be
here all week unless I figure out how this door works.
In this game, we will describe something from Eleanor's life,
(05:26):
but using an odd rhyming word or phrase instead of
the exact one we're looking for. You must decipher what
she's saying and tell us what she means. Aya, you're
upe first, okay I. Eleanor's father died when she was
a child, but his brother, her funcle Petty, always doated
on the young Eleanor and would one day walk her
down the aisle at her wedding. Okay, So, Eleanor's father
(05:50):
died when she was a child, but her uncle teddy.
Ohay is that's great. You don't have to remember the
whole sentence. That's great. We're just looking for the one word.
So you got it right because the word we were
replacing was f uncle petty, and you had said uncle Teddy,
way to go. That's right, Uncle Teddy Teddy Roosevelt Theodore Roosevelt,
(06:10):
who was at the time of her wedding the President
of the United States. Uncle petty also sounds like something
you might want to get looked at if it's on
your feet, Maybe get a doctor in some kind of
cream for that. Our next question is we're Vivian Eleanor
was nervous about attending this big party or restaurant mall
where young sons and daughters of New York society make
(06:31):
their official entrance onto the social scene. Do you mean
coming out ball? Well, accept it. We would have accepted
debutante ball or coming out ball. Eleanor came from a
very wealthy New York family, and this was a write
of passage at the time for all young ladies from
such families. Okay, the next question is for I again.
All right. In first, lady Eleanor attended a conference with
(06:54):
her friend, the African American educator Mary McLoyd Bethoon. But
the two we are not allowed to sit next to
each other because of segregation laws in the state of Chaska.
Grandma was that Alabama. They're right, No, that's exactly it.
Don't ETN give us another answer. You've got the answer
is Alabama. Eleanor sat in a chair she plays in
(07:17):
the aisle between the two sections as a protest of
Alabama's segregation laws. It was a small gesture Eleanor used
to point out inequality between the people in our nation. Okay,
next question for Vivian. Eleanor made herself accessible throughout FDR's
political career. She visited impoverished areas to bring awareness and
reached millions of others through her newspaper column, which was
(07:38):
entitled Pie Sway. Newspaper column was entitled my Day. That's
You're exactly right, that's it my day. Although Pie Sway
would be a great column where I guess she would
convince people to like kinds of pie that they didn't
like already. Yeah, or would be a good band name. Yeah,
that's true. The public felt they knew Eleanor, and she
received more mail than anyone else at the White House,
(07:59):
which is pretty impressive considering the President also lived at
the White House. Even more shocking and impressive, she responded
to all of the letters. I don't know how she
did anything else, frankly by any other name, any other
And that's the end of the game. Well played game everyone, Producer, Jane,
will you please let us know the scores? Well, Elliott
(08:23):
Aya and Vivian fock Hard just like Eleanor, and they
both have two points. Excellent, You've got a tie game.
That means that the game has to continue. That's right
for everyone who hoped the episode would ends now, too bad,
it's going to thank you. You've got more. Who was podcast?
Was show? So let's keep the show moving and learn
about Sojourner Truth with four fast facts. Her given name
(08:50):
was Isabella bomb Free. She changed to sojourn Her Truth
in eighteen forty three because she felt it was her
religious obligation to go forth and speak the truth. She
want to land to mark lawsuit for the right to
her son's freedom. She was an early human rights crusader.
She is the first African American woman to have a
statue in the Capitol Building. Prospects. Now, this is usually
(09:13):
the part of the show where we go on to
the next game segment, but we happen to have two
very special guests with us in the studio. Please welcome
Eleanor Roosevelt and Sojourner Truth. Hello, joor Truth here and
Eleanor Roosevelt glad to be here, just out of curiosity.
How did you both reach us? We just used who
was It? Who was wandering? Best? Who was app It's
(09:45):
more fun than word? Oh wordle Jenkins of the Boston
Jenkins No, it's it's a game with words for everybody.
Don't don't worry about We don't have time to get
into it right now, and it's a competing game. Don't
worry about it. What brings you both here today? Lenora
and I heard the Who Was Podcast was doing an
episode featuring both of us, and we thought we'd tell
(10:07):
you about a new podcast we have. You two have
a podcast, a podcast? Please? I have two and I
have four. Wow, that's a lot, Okay, amazing. Please tell
us more about the podcast you have together. It's called
Adventures Abroad Unconventional Conventions. It's a travel show about trips
(10:27):
we took to conventions where we stood out. Brought to
you by Triangle Space. Triangle Space. It's a great platform.
And trust me, I know from platforms right because you
both traveled extensively and gave a lot of speeches. Well,
my name basically means to travel and tell the truth,
and it's how I earned my nickname. Everywhere Eleanor join
(10:51):
us every week as we relive some of our biggest moments,
like when I was a black woman and working class
women and eighteen fifty one women's movement, which was unconventional
in and of itself, spoke at the Women's Convention in Akron, Ohio.
The organizers weren't too happy about me speaking because they
(11:12):
didn't want to confuse the abolitionists and the women's movement. Yes,
but I ended up giving the most famous speech of
the event. It's now known as the an I a
Woman's Speech. Wow, that's amazing, that's impressive. Yes, And sometimes
we talk about breaking conventions, like the convention I broke
(11:35):
when I resigned from the Daughters of the American Revolution
because they refused to let opera singer Mary and Anderson
perform at Constitution Hall because she was black, And the
way I turned the convention of selling books on its
head by traveling across the US and giving speeches about
my life to crowds. We talked about how unconventional it
(11:58):
was for a first lady have a cause until I
took office, or how unconventional it was for presidents to
meet with black women in my time. But I met
the three after they heard about my important work helping
the black community. Wow, that's a lot of accomplishments. That's
(12:19):
just the first season. We've signed on for a twelve
season deal. Yes, in all twelve seasons brought to you
by Triangle Space. What are you waiting for? Triangle Space
makes building a website far easier than building an equitable
nation on the I Heart app, Apple podcast or wherever
(12:39):
you get your podcasts. Now, If you'll excuse me, I
must run. I'm late for a lunch date with Shakespeare.
We're having let me guess, chicken fingers, Yes, a top
now moor goobiolin or and thank you. Everyone always has
(13:00):
chicken friners to the Shakespeare. Yes, it's a real histories mysteries,
not a mystery. It's just a histories, histories, habits, histories,
culinary Habit has histories, favorite foods. So journal, are you
free to stay around a little longer? Maybe play our
next game with us? Sounds good? Excellent? That would be fantastic,
don't go anywhere. Who Was Hers will be right back. Eric,
(13:21):
play us some conventions, music, comic. Welcome back to the
Who Was Podcast. Today we're learning all about Eleanor Roosevelt
(13:43):
and Sojourner Truth. When we last left off, Aya had
two points and Videan had two points. It's a tie.
And now here's your host, Elliott Kaylin. Thank you be
Let's see how long this tie lasts. And thank you
to our special guest, Sojourner Truth was made. Time to
play our next game. It's called true or false? False, false,
(14:06):
a false? Or is a true? It is a true
that it is false? It was true or true? True
or false? A lot of questions and we're gonna need
some answers, our wonderful guests to journal. Will we be
reading the questions for one point each. You let us
know if it's sojourn or truth or the Journal or false. Vivian,
you are up first. True or false. The place in Washington,
(14:30):
d C. Where I helped formally enslaved people build community
and learned skills was called the Northampton Association. True. I'm
sorry that's false. It was called the Freedman's Hospital. It's
just one way. So journal helped formally enslave people build
new lives after the Civil War. Don't worry, there's lots
(14:50):
of questions coming up I have. This next question is
for you. If Elizabeth Caddy Staton tells you that it
was her idea to push for equal pay for women,
don't believe her. It was my idea. Um, it was true. True. Yes,
As a black woman and working class woman, I knew
(15:14):
firsthand how important a equality would be for women to
reach equal ground in the US. Okay, the next question
is for Vivian. Most people know my an I Woman's speech,
but the phrase our nerves sing us, our tears and
blood have been sacrificed on the altar of this nation's
(15:34):
avarice is from a different speech known as the d
Day Speech because it was given on the first day
of December. True. False. Yeah, that snippet is from a
speech I gave to Congress after President Grant did not
give me the help I needed to pass my land
Grant proposal. No, thank you, Grant. You'd think you would
(15:57):
have done it. His name is Grant. It's a land
Grand proposal. Every ay, buddy's a winner. Unfortunately, no, ayah,
This last question is for you. I was able to
bring my son Peter from enslavement in Alabama to New
York through a daring rescue with my Quaker friends, in
an operation we called quake my Day. False. That is both.
(16:20):
I filed a lawsuit against the man who had sold
him across state lines. She was the first black woman
to win a lawsuit of this kind in the United States.
You know what, But now you have the phrase quake
my day. I hope you can use it for something cool.
And that's the end of the round. True true, true,
(16:40):
fault and that's true or false. Let's go to producer
Jane with the scores. Jane, quake my Day? What the scores?
I am too, Elliott by telling you that Aya has
four points and Vivian two, so I is a head,
but it's still a very close game. True. That's so truth. Yeah,
but is that is the sojournal truth? Speaking of sojourner truth.
(17:03):
Thank you so much for being here with us. Oh
you know what, it is my pleasure. I just want
to let you know I have to get going soon.
But I wanted to ask the contestants if you could
come up with a fantastic name for yourself like, Sojournal Truth? Uh,
what would that name be? So I Vivian if you
had to come up with a new name for yourself,
(17:23):
maybe one that describes what you hope to do. Maybe, um,
I really want to be an actress when I grew up.
Maybe like I actress? I actor. I like that, Dramaya
maybe like drum like drama. Oh yeah, I kind of
like that. And Vivian, what do you think of your friends?
Just call me fluffy hair but your friends are It
(17:47):
sounds like you've got the name already. That's a great
I mean, fluffy hair cat puppet is a pretty great
is a pretty fantastic name, right yeah? And it looks
great on a a business card Fluffy hair cat puppet Esquire.
Oh yeah, so as you're a lawyer now, I don't know.
I think Esquire is always a good thing to put
on a business card, whether it's true or not. That well,
I think, uh, it's a good time for the Journal
(18:09):
Truth to say goodbye. If we're if we're doubting the
very nature of truth, be okay, never doubt the truth.
Just thank you all so much for having me, And
thanks again? Who was apt more? And now the rest
of us at the Who Was Podcast are going to
(18:29):
say goodbye to but it's only for a moment. We'll
be right just back after this break with more Who Was? Eric?
Play us some quick my day in music? Please don't
confuse us with the Shakers Sally? Who was? Marie Curie?
(18:55):
You may remember me from winning multiple Nobel Prizes off
fapts from my pisode of the Who Worst Podcast where
I played myself. I wanted to take a moment to
read one of my favorite reviews about the Who Was Podcast.
This is from Shaken Bay and it reads loved this
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(19:18):
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and review to the OAS Podcasts in the I Heart
Radio up or wherever you get your podcasts. Revoir or
should I stay abien to Welcome back to the Who Was? Podcast? Today?
(19:42):
Who was eleanor Roosevelt? And who was sojourn or True?
When we last left off, Aya had four points and
Vivian had two points. Back to our host Ellie Klin,
thank you be As we head into our next and
final segment, it's really still anyone's game because there's a
lot of points to be had in this one. Contestants
get ready to play Converge of Greatness. So inspiring. Now,
(20:14):
both Sojourner and Eleanor had incredible lives, and in this
multiple choice game, you'll tell us where they connect, overlap
or converge. And because recovering two times the history, this
game is worth two times the points. That's two points
for each question. So let's get started with the first
question for Aya take it away? Be all right? Aya.
Eleanor Roosevelt went to school in Europe and learned fluent French.
(20:37):
But Sojourner Truth spoke multiple languages too. As a young girl.
What was sojoenn Or Truth's first language? Was it a Dutch?
Be English or see the thracky um. It was a Dutch.
That's right, it was a Dutch. Because her family was
enslaved by Dutch immigrants. She grew up speaking Dutch and
(20:58):
struggled to learn English as she grew ale, or, eventually
learning English so well that she became a brilliant public speaker.
Doth Raki is, of course a made up language, though
in a way aren't all languages made up? Next? Question
is Ravivian Eleanor in sojourn Or Truth had close relationships
with their fathers, though they were often separated. Eleanor's father
was frequently in the hospital because of alcoholism. But why
(21:21):
did sojourn Or Truth rarely see her father. Was it
a His work as a traveling salesman kept him on
the move. B they lived on different metro north lines
or see Sojourner was taken from her family as a
young girl and sold at an auction see Yet answer
is correct, though Sojourner's father was no longer his enslaved himself,
(21:44):
he didn't have the money to free her when she
was young. Slavery wouldn't end in New York State for
another twenty one years, and not in the whole United
States until June sixty five, which we now commemorate on juneteenth. Okay,
the next question is for Ayah. As we know, sojourn
Or Truth and Eleanor Roosevelt were regulars at conventions and conferences.
(22:05):
Sojourner was a regular at women's rights conventions and Eleanor
Roosevelt fought for human rights as a member of the
biggest convention in the world. Was it a the World Court,
be the United Nations or see the Galactic Federation. Okay,
it was the the United Nations. That's right, the the
(22:26):
United Nations. Eleanor was one of the first American delegates,
which is just a fancy word for people that America
sent to represent America. One of the first American delegates
to the United Nations. She was also the first chairperson
of the U N's Commission on Human Rights. And now
the next question is for Vivian Eleanor was the niece
of President Theodore Roosevelt and the wife of f DR.
(22:49):
But sojourn Or Truth met a lot of presidents too.
Which of the following presidents did she not ask to
sign an autograph in her book of Life? Was it
a Abraham Lincoln, b Ulysses S. Grant or c Andrew Johnson.
I think it was c Andrew Johnson. You're right, the
(23:10):
answer is c Andrew Johnson. She got Lincoln and Grant signatures,
but she passed on getting Johnson's because she just didn't
like him from the start, just didn't like him. Book
of Life more like a book of Burne. Am I right?
And that beautiful music means it's the end of the game.
(23:32):
While we wait for Jane to tell you the scores,
I'd like to ask our contestants was there anything that
really stuck out to them in learning about these two
famous figures, some things that really they found memorable or surprising.
Let's start with you. Well, I think I've heard of
Eleanor Roosevelt a lot more than so Gender Truth, Like
I heard of like Harriet Tubman a lot more than
(23:53):
so Jenner Truth. But I feel like I felt like
it was really really fun learning about both of them.
And there are so many stuff I like, was like
amazed by. I learned a lot more about sogn Or
Truth learning about this, Like I didn't know that she
had a land grant proposal to help reparations. I had
no idea she was involved in that. It's really interesting.
(24:14):
That was really cool. And I also watched the a't
iowoman's speech and I thought that was really amazing. That's great.
I thank you, Vivian. Is there anything about either of
our historical figures that really jumped out to you? Well,
I knew more more about sojourn Or Truth than I
do that I did about Eleanor Roosevelt because I read
the sojourn Or truth one before, but in the Eleanor
(24:36):
Roosevelt one, I was surprised to hear that she was
part of the United Nations. I was surprised about that too. Yeah,
that she's someone who just because of her words and
her ideas and her compassion for other people, became such
a worldwide global figure. It's very it's very impressive and
very amazing. And she's another person where you watched video
(24:58):
of her speeches and they just they just completely overwhelm you. Nice. Well,
thank you both so much for sharing. Yes, thank you
very much. And now it's time for the big moment.
Jane Lee's announced our winner. Who is it going to be?
Elliott and b I have to tell you that Vivian
had six points, but I had jumped ahead with eight
and she is our winner. Ourratulations. I had great game, Vivian,
(25:22):
very close game. You both played very well. I A
you have ten seconds for shout out school. Would you
like to thank for helping you get where you are today? Um,
both of my parents, Um, definitely, and my friends and
my dog, And yeah, I couldn't have done it without
a parents. That's great. As a parent myself, I really
(25:46):
appreciate you saying that my children never thank me for anything.
You and your school library while receiving a set of
Who Was books. I'll give a shout out myself to
intern Zach, Jane Eric to Kesha's Alert for being our
sojournal Truth. Thank you very much and to be in
a big thank you to both of our contestants who
played an amazing game. And thank you to you at
home for listening to this episode. Next week please come
(26:08):
back to us, we'll be learning who Was two more
amazing people from history. Until then, this is Elliott Everywhere
Calin saying we are history. Goodbye, everybody. Thank you. Got
a question for any of our famous figures, Send us
a voice memo at who Was Podcast at gmail dot com.
It might just end up on the show. Who Was
Podcast is produced by Radio Point, I Heart Media and
(26:31):
Penguin Workshop, based on the best selling who h Q
series published by Penguin. Who Was Podcast is hosted by
Elliott Calin with co host Megan O'Neill as b also
starring Jane Baker as Producer, Jane, Eric shackne Az, Eric
Keisha z Aller as Sojourner Truth, and Megan O'Neill as
Eleanor Roosevelt. The executive producers are Richard Corson, Alex Bach,
(26:52):
Elliott Calin, Megan O'Neil, Daniel Powell, and Houston Snyder. The
executive producer for Penguin Workshop his Friendcesco Sadita. The executive
producer or for iHeart Media is Lindsay Hawk. This episode
was written by Megan O'Neill, Elliott Kaylin, and Jane Baker.
This podcast was produced by Bernie Kaminski. Our talent producer
is Jane Baker. The theme song and music were composed
(27:12):
and performed by Eric Shackney, edited and mixed by Kate
molden howerd recorded by Joanna Samuels. Special thanks to Zach Timpson,
Charlotte Dianda, Daniel Goodman, and Michael Lewis Howard, who was
podcast was recorded at the iHeart Studios in Los Angeles, California.
Sound services were provided by Great City Post Podcast because
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