Wine Down: Talking Heat Culture, Oscars, Nail Painting and Terry Crews

On this special episode of the Wine Down podcast, Dwyane talks with Bob about the differences between Heat Culture and the rest of the NBA, the rise of Women's basketball, his Oscars night fashion, why he decided to start painting his nails and the real story of the Terry Crews controversy. 

 

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
We back on the wind down. It's been a minute.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
We haven't had a wind down conversation while right I've
been looking, I've been traveling.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
So you you just there too, either one with Dona.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Te Pasaci my last two podcasts.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
And Canvas Parker. Ye, two dope dope women. Yes, very
two very different stories with two very powerful stories. What
was that like for you doing telling talking to them
and telling their stories in each of their way.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, it's great, I think with Donna Taylor one, I mean,
she's she's iconic, right and you know in the fashion space,
and so I was thankful that she took time to
sit on the why. I mean, you know a lot
of us love Vasage, but a lot of us never
got a chance to hear too much of Don Teler
really speaking to the culture in a sense, and you know,

(00:51):
we wanted to provide that platform. And you know, I'm
getting to know her, and so the difference of it
is Candace I've been knowing since he was in college
and knowing of her since he was in high school,
so far and so on, where Dona telling, We're just
getting to know each other. So it's cool to kind
of see, like right now, my questions are maybe a
little different for Donald Teller, and they maybe for Cannas

(01:12):
because of I know more.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
But two women who you know, I have so much.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Respect for for what they do in their craft, what
we get to, what we got to know them from,
but also what they do outside of that. And so
really just really dope to be able to sit with
with those two women that I admire.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
And as I.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Said when I first started the podcast, you know, the
introduction was, I'm going to sit down with people that
I respect and.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
That I admire.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
And some of them may be big names, and some
of them may be friends of mine or just people
that I do respect and amyr and so to be
able to put them both together with the big names
and plus their respect and you know how much I
no matter how much I admire them both was pretty cool.
And so I have fan moments in the midst of
it too, you know what I mean, And you could

(02:00):
you would hear that inside of the interviews where I
go off into a fan moment, but then I get
back into the interview side of it as well. So
just cool man. And it opens up the wide podcast
to different genres, to different voices. It can look anyway,
it's not just you know, it's not just a sports podcast,

(02:21):
it's not just a business podcast. This is a podcast
where you know, like I said, anybody who has a story,
and we all do, come and tell it in any
way that you feel and they and hopefully they all
feel different.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
They do, but the ones asking so far, I all
feel different than I think. I learned a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Do.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Is there a moment Downtowyn's that that stood out for you?

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Probably the first moment that comes to mind speaking of
Donna Tyler will probably be the moment when I asked
about the MEDUSA, because I've heard so many different stories.
Remember I talked about I'm like, yo, what's the real?
Can you tell us the real you know of it?

(03:05):
And you know that stands out because you know, it's
the education of telling us something that we didn't know. Also, too,
besides that, I really loved how she spoke about Johnny.
You know, I really love how much she spoke about
Johnny and how she spoke about Johnny. I really loved
that because you know, my question going in was about

(03:25):
the obviously the Versace family and brand, and Johnny's a big,
big part of it, but also too. It's a it's
a sensitive it's going to ever be a sensitive button
and subject for you know, her to speak on, even
though you know the years have passed, and so for
her to be feel comfortable enough to speak of Johnny
in the way she did for me, we felt comforting

(03:46):
knowing that she felt safe sitting on the pod and
you know and talking.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
I love that now. So was there a moment in
Candice I know we just kind of did that one. Yeah,
was that moment that stuck out for you on that one?
Because that was a dope one to be a part
of two. Because I told you she she I learned
a lot about her in a way that I didn't like.
I kind of knew, but I just learned a lot,
Like I love I love how she thinks.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Actually, you see why we love. You got a chance
to be like that's why I get it. Yeah, I
mean I could talk hoop with Candace, Like she's one
of the people you could talk hoop with all day.
And so in the midst of it, you know, of
having this conversation, we talking hoop and like it's going
going on, but also too, like you know, Candice stands
for more than just basketball, and I wanted to get

(04:29):
to some of that. And so my probably my favorite
part of our conversation was the part of what we
were talking about our family, you know, where you know,
she was talking about Anya, who is her wife, and
you know, the journey you know to you know, their
marriage becoming a public thing and you know, it's two
people in the public eye.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
How you deal with it and what you you know,
what's the process.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I think that's great for people to know because you know,
I can't say that it's the right way to deal
with anything, but it's good to to hear your process
because we all go.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Through moments of things that we're a little.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Afraid to share, whether it's publicly or whether it's just
with someone intimately. And to understand that and to hear
that for me was was was a great moment.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
It was a vulnerable moment.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
It was an intimate moment to talk about you know,
eventually what got to the decision of her sharing it
with the world, but.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
You know, just the journey to it, and so I
thought it was cool.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
So it looks like we were in some new to
la still, so this is also kind of new for
me in the sense where we're not new because I've
been here for three years, but what season. And I'm
surprised we never talked about this for the other episodes.
But the fact that she was nominated bro for a statue,
one of them.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Statues, one of those Oscar statues.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
That's big. Is big.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
That's how much stuff we got going on in life.
We didn't even talk about the Oscar No.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Man, Yeah, that was it was big. It was a
big moment.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
And it wasn't big like you needed it to make
you feel like you're doing anything right necessarily, just a
big moment for the community that we were trying to uplift,
you know what I mean, anytime you could have multiple
conversations going on. You know, it didn't just die on
just the documentary, and you know, the people who watched it.

(06:18):
We took it to people who didn't watch it, who
never heard it. We went on TV shows, you know everyone.
You know, we did the rounds and then we got
we got an Oscar nom in the middle of doing the.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Rounds, and now it got even more and now you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
So it was great for our little production company to
have these small wins.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
You know, one lets us.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Know that we were our temperature on finding certain projects
to be a part of John Marcus, who was my
producing partner, myself. That means we got a good we
have a good little temperature on picking the right people
and picking the right projects. And so yes, Emmy for
the Redeemed Team, Oscar nom for Barbara Little Rock The

(07:00):
Dad's on Netflix, which we just you know, we got
done not too long ago, which was an important piece.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
It was great. It's great. It's great to be able.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
To have these small wins because you know, ultimately it's
so many things we want to do, so many stories,
you want to tell, so many voices that we want
to uplift and put emphasis on people's story and people's journey,
and so it's cool.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
It's cool to be able to do that.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
And you know, from a production standpoint, you were able
to go to war shows with doing that, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
So I told my wife when we.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Were you know, we first moved to LA and we
were you know, spending not when we moved that, but
when we spent a time in LA. We had a
house here doing my planned days, and I was like,
you know, one day I want to take you to
the Oscars or I want us to go to the
Oscars as a date night, and I want that to
be either because of you or because of me, and
not just because we can get a ticket. And so
it was cool for us to be able to, you know,

(07:54):
in the midst of life life and and our busy schedules,
to be able to get together and and make that
promise come true of like, hey, let's go on the
date to the hospitals.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
That that was definitely a bar, like the fin You
ain't going just because you got a ticket. You went
because supposed to be there.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, yeah, we were. We were supposed to be there.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
That is beautiful.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
So it was it was vs. Bro. It was great
and we didn't win.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
And I don't put too much on winning when other
people have to decide or on your winning, Like I
put a lot of winning when I can be a
part of the siding. When I came decide we understand
we want by.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Being here, we want by being nominated.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
We won by Arlow Washington and you know John Hoffmann
and Christine you know Turner to be able to tell
their stories and how they got here, and you know
what I mean, and other people out there have seen
them and was like, yo, being inspired by that, right,
and so we wanted so many ways as a as

(08:56):
a group. So the director Johnny Christie, That's what I
was talking about. So it was cool. I got a
chance to put on that listen. I was great, gasy vibes.
I stepped up on the carpet. I'm a little heavier
than I normally am right now because I'm traveling, so
I got about five or seven LB's on me that
you know, I like to keep off. I ain't been

(09:16):
in my yoga bag and my workout bag lately. But
stepped on the carpet with the with the with the
white and the black.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Real classic, real great gas be like.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Uh, and my wife was looking and saying and so
we just made a great We made a great day,
great night of of it.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
All.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
I know both of you. I know you and your
wife are big in fashion, Like, Yeah, I've been in
a bunch of front rows of many of the biggest
fashion shows in the world. Yeah, what is that process
like for you guys? When you're like, all right, what
we're gonna do? Are we gonna dress? Like? Like, what
is that process for someone who like at there's there's

(09:53):
shows and shows after days after talking about what y'all wear.
So it's a process for you to get to that
point and then know that somebody's gonna quote unquote judge
it afterwards. But then y'all kill it. Yeah, yeah, with
your with your stylists and each of you you have
your own stylist. What is that process like for you guys?
And then after that you got after parties and not

(10:14):
seeing that you kind of switched it up a couple
of times, So like, what is that process for you
and how your process is going through that?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Well?

Speaker 2 (10:22):
For me, you know, my stylist is Jason Bolden. Shout
out to Jason, who is killing the game working with so.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Many different people.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
I think for him and I, first it's a conversation, right,
like like recently we just had a conversation.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
About the mc gala.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
We're already talking about what the aesthetic that we want and.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
The look that we want.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
So from there, from going from that conversation, then Jason
goes off and he finds whatever branded he feels that,
you know, he wants to represent. That moment the Oscars
was a big moment, and so because of our relationship
with we represented Vasace in that moment, and so it's
I'm dealing with Vasace and coming up with my looks.
A lot of my looks for moments, carpet looks are custom, right,

(11:06):
they're not. You can't go find them in the store
like nobody. You can't go get that. This is custom.
This was This was his drawings about this look. It's
you know, it's been it's customized. That's what custom means.
And so Jason like to say, oh, yes, he's wearing custom.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
But you know, it adds a little booge to it.
But that's the part of the process.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
And so the process from there was you know, for
for him to kind of out of our conversation, go
to the designers talk about, Okay, this is what we're thinking.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Let's sketch it out. And so they kind of sketch
it out.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
We go through different phases of the sketches to see, Okay,
it's a single button, is it double breasted?

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Is it this? What color?

Speaker 2 (11:44):
So it's a process and then once we get to
you know, picking out of the process of the drawings,
then now it goes into motion. Right now they got
to start making the looks and so forth, and so
I go down my process, my wife go down to
her process. Her styles is Thomas ousids adjacent. At some
point they will have a conversation, Hey, what are you thinking? Hey,

(12:04):
we'll brain you thinking so far and so on. So
they doing their back channel things going behind the scenes.
We don't never know what each other is wearing because
we before.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
So when you go to the show, when you see
it for the first time, you see it for the first.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Time, well in the hotel room. Really yeah. My wife
is like, show D he hasn't seen it.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
I'm like, yeah, but I already know, Like I don't
need to because I know Thomas and I know Gab
and I know how they work together. Right, So, and
Thomas sometimes will reach out to me and say, hey, D,
what do you think about this I'm thinking about And
so that happens on an occasion. But then sometimes they
just go cook and then they come out of the
lab and they like, this is what we're doing, and
we're like, bam, this is what we're doing. So it's

(12:41):
so many different ways to do it. I don't think
it's just one way. But ultimately you want to be
in sync in some way, some capacity, and so It's
very rare that you see Gab and I on a carpet.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
And we're not in sync.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Because when our stylists are in sync, and so that
allows us to have you know, nonverbal communication through that.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
How important is it to be in sync with your partner?

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Well, that's the everyday challenge.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
You know what that's like.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Every day you have to work and being in sync,
and some days you just don't even you know, some
days you don't want to be in sync. You want
to have your lattitude, You want to feel the way
you feel, you want to stand on your business. You'd
be like, I don't even care about being as this
is what so but obviously that's what we all shooting for.
We're all shooting for the relationship with your partner to

(13:33):
feel like the relationship with your best friend.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Okay, right, because your relationships.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
With your best friends, your best friend, it is seamless,
it's pouring into each other and it's been able to
tell each other when things like it's like your best
friend can tell you, oh no, Bob, you bush, and
you don't gonna even take it a certain way. That's
your wife be like, Bob, you bush, You're gonna take
it a certain way, and a lot of it is

(13:59):
because of it's so hard to build that trust and
which is crazy with someone that you're with more than anybody,
it's so hard to build that trust, have that safe
space of trust because of the dynamics of in relationship
of you know, of how the the structure of your
relationship is set up. It's different of when you have
your relationship with your best friend, which is a soulmate

(14:21):
as well. Right like that, I always tell people to
get to to have a great relationship here, you have
to have that same great relationship that you have with
your best friend, your ability to be vulnerable with them,
your ability to listen when they when they when they
have something to say to you, disagree with you, to
help you grow in moments, because it's times in your
relationships where you're like your wife telling you something, You're.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Like, nah, don't tell me that. I want to learn. Nah,
I get to that. I get to that.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I's on my own right because of maybe the way
that this maybe the way they they're they're doing it,
or the time they're doing it, or where they doing it.
And so that's the hard part of our relationships is
if you can get all your relationships to flow and
to feel as seamless as your best friend relationship, then
you got something and that's the challenge and that's the

(15:09):
goal is try to get there. And then a lot
of people try to use their relationships like, oh, we're friends.
You might be supposed to be my best friend. Well,
me and my best friend don't flow like this, right.
We don't fight when we challenge each other. We just
challenge each other and be like, all right, bro, I
disagree with you, but you know I see your point.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
But in relationships sometimes.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
That don't happen. Now you're walking out the room, she
walking out of the room. You're not speaking, she not speaking.
And so for me personally, I think the journey for relationships,
and this is just my perspective, it's to be like water.
It's to flow like your relationship. I get it right,
And a lot of them, person they don't flow, And
a lot of it's for a lot of reasons.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
And so it's funny because I think ego has a
lot to do with that for a lot of us.
And sometimes in fact, we just we're growing, and we're
creatures that grow at all times. We're always we're always evolving,
always growing. So how you may look at something when
you're twenty five, as you mean there not look at
as you thirty five, and you look at as you

(16:11):
forty five. It's gonna be just be different. You look
at the world different. You travel around the world. So
I get the fact that we're always evolving and trying
to keep that sink. It's almost like trying to keep
use it as this you're trying to keep sink like
you're trying to charge your battery before and you got
your your sink cord, you got your sink cable, but
you'll been using the same cable since nineteen ninety seven.
Why a cable and get busted even gonna try to

(16:34):
use that same sink cable. Aint gonna always charge all
the time, ain't always link up all the time. So
you either get a new cable you're gonna have to
upgrade it, or understand that at some point this sitting
will work. And so I think just just as as
as human beings is because sometimes you got to look
at that that sinking is not only with your significant other.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
It's really yeah, yeah, friends, you're right.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I mean all relationships that you may have, all relations
and in all relationships, to me, brought on the two trust. Obviously,
communication is is what helps that. It allows that relationship
to continue to grow, right if you continue to communicate
with each other.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
But you got to have trust.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
And I'm not talking about you know what I mean,
like the worldly trust when it comes to relationship is
woman need to trust that a man ain't gonna cheat
and man needed whatever whatever.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Our trust is.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
All right, But to me that's that's so like, let's
go deeper than that, okay. And so when you when
you're when you're vulnerable, when you feel safe, you feel
like you're in the space of non judgment, that's the
space of trust. And I need to trust that when
we go through something, that your girlfriends are not gonna
know everything we go through. I need to trust that

(17:41):
if you know, if I'm being vulnerable on this, that
that stays between us. It's a lot of areas of
trust that in relationships get broken down. But in relationships
with same sex, you and your homie, it's a trust
built there because you know you ain't.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Worried about that homie going.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
And blasting you or saying something about what you've shared.
In vulnerable moments or you know, like all these things right,
and so, like trust is something that really needs to
be worked on. And when you get into relationships sometimes
it's built. It comes in built on the wrong things.
It comes in built on lust, it comes in built

(18:19):
on this analogy that love is gonna you know, it's love.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
I'm in.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Love is built on you know, the situation. You know,
it's a situational. It's built on all these different things.
When these other relationships that flow like water ain't built
on all that. It ain't even built on being in
the same place. You're in your homie. Y'all cannot see
each other for y'all could just be talking. Y'all cannot
see each other for months, and when y'all get together,

(18:44):
what's the vibe. It's love. It's linked. You can be vulnerable,
you can share, you can. But when you ain't seeing
an other person like that, now it's an issue.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
It's problems. You ain't doing this, you ain't doing that.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I'm not both ways right, and so it's the journey, right,
and so for us, like even in my relationship, you
try to eliminate as much as the things you don't
have to decide on or you don't have to have
judgment on as much as possible, like, so you can
at least try to focus on the actual relationship because
there's so many parts to it where judgment and no

(19:16):
trust lies. Okay, so everyone is talking about this sixty
five games in the NBA, they still have been Okay,
so we've already been dealing with this in a smaller

(19:38):
but not smaller way. Is I doubled the same thing
in my shoe deal over my years of playing in NBA. Right,
if you don't play a certain amount of games, it's
a pro they pro rate you.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Okay, So it's been multiple.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Years where I've giving back multiple millions of dollars because
I didn't reach the game. So this is not nothing
new in how they do things. This may be something
new into the NBA's regular season schedule, Nike Converse, Jordan leading,
they've been pro rating you. If you don't reach this
certain amount of games, you got to give back money.

(20:10):
So it's two years in a row, you can go. Look,
I think I played fifty one games two years in
a row for the Miami Heat. I lost two point
four billion dollars both years in a row. They pro
rated me, and so they just all they're doing is
taking a chapter out of the book of these brands
who have been doing this already. It saying, if you
can't show up for me in the because the contract

(20:30):
is eighty two games, right or whatever it is, So
if you can't show up for sixty five games, then
we pro rate you. And so they're doing it in
the NBA. It's just not taking away from their money.
They're just not allowing them to get to that that
real bag.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
And that's the probation of the NBA.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
The one thing about the game, it's just like even
watching the game, great players find all the way like
we're gonna get around We're gonna get around the system. Okay,
the ref's got a certain way you're calling it. We're
gonna get around it.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Great players know how to trick the you know how
to make the rules work in your favor, right, all
these things, and so this is the rule, Now work
away around it. And then they throw another one in
when they found a way to.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Work around it.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
I think people continue to forget and people said all
the time, the NBA is a business. Okay, in my business,
I need you to show up this many times. If
you don't right now, you're not going to be up
for these awards. If not up for these awards, and
you're not up for this amount of money, and so
then there's so many.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Coming you know, what do you do? Right?

Speaker 2 (21:33):
But ultimately this is a part of the business, so
is it? I think I think the NBA has continued
to do a great job both when it comes to
the benefits of what the what we've been able to
benefit and also to on the other side where you
don't feel like it's a benefit to you. But they're
doing their job for the fans. That's what their their
part is for the fans, right and for the owners,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
And so I think we.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Got to understand as players the one thing as a
player you don't really understand because you don't need to,
but to both sides of this whole thing, and we're
so focused on the one side, just like the owners
are focused on their one side that no, realistically it
all makes sense, right, Like both sides we can understand, right,

(22:14):
we can understand why the fans and why the owners
want to see you play sixty five games.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
If I'm giving you two hundred million dollars.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
We get that, but as a player, we also understand
why our player, if he's injured, you know, if he's hurt,
if you know he has something going on in his family,
if he's been suspended because of a moment of a lapse, moment, whatever,
he don't reach those games.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
It sucks. But I think we all got to do
a better job of.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Understanding that it's more than one side to something, and
we got to figure out we got to get to
figuring out how to understand each other's position right and
stop just defending our position. I'm glad that that was
a bar and David Fizdale shout out to my brother Fizz.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Fizz said is to me very similar to that. One
day he said, if we defended our position, if we
defended our position and sport like we defend our position,
then we'll be a hell of a defensive team. And
I thought that was so cold, because.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
When you and I, when we're when we're when we
believe in something, we would defend that position and we
will not move off of it. And so he used
that as a double line Timore to say we defended
our positions in basketball like we defend our positions on stuff,
then we would be a hell of a defensive team.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
And I was like, damn, that's a bar.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
That is a bar. Did the team take take Keith there?

Speaker 2 (23:27):
I don't know, I went in the locker room, but
I'm just gonna say he ain't the coach of that
team no more.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Damn. But it is a great That is a great.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
It's a great analogy.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
And if you do that, if you it's crazy because
it could be. So I always had a night a
thought because that's a great analogy, right, And there's a
bunch of coaches that have tons of great analogies. One
are the factors, in your opinion, that make either the
coach succeed or the players seed or both vice versa situation.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
It's so many different factors, bro, you know what I mean?
And like it's hard to just break down. Let me
just use Miami, right because I've spent sixteen years there.
Everybody don't have a culture. And when I say that,
everybody don't have rules and regulations. That makes everyone that
holds everyone accountable to.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
A certain standard, right has that in his back pocket.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
So no matter what kind of team SPO has, he
has the culture behind him. He has the rules and
regulations of being a Miami Heat player that you just
have to follow. Now they adjust some of them as
the time going, but a lot of them don't go
nowhere neither. And so you know, even in the midst
of having a bad roster that people will say they

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can still have a good year because it's expectations of
what you're supposed to do here and it's not even
on SPO.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
When you sign up for the Heat. That's what Mickey
and what Pat has said as a standard got it,
And so I think for.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Him that's a that's a bonus that he has because
sometimes you get players that come in that your coach
and style doesn't work with them, you know what I mean, Like,
just because you've coached me or your coach Lebron and
we've accepted this, don't mean you can do the same
thing to Jermaine O'Neil and Chris Bosh and these guys. Right,
But what he got behind him is well, this is

(25:20):
our standards. So you either doing this or you're out
of here. You're doing this, they're gonna get you know
what I mean. So everybody don't have that, and so
I think, you know, to be a good coach, or
to be a coach that you know multiple people like
to play for, etc.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
You know, just listen to canvas. Pat Summit didn't just
coach her as a basketball player.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
She coached her as a person holistically, and in the
midst of that, she understood what was going on in
her personal life. She understood that can just get bored
with the game of basketball, she needs to let her
just go well for a moment, like it's these all
these easy understanding and so it's hard. It's coaches to
do that because you have so many players coming in

(26:04):
and out, and so it's hard to keep everybody in. Okay,
this is what makes me a great coach. So it's
good to have this backbone right here that says, no,
these are our standards that you have to follow. And
so that allows Spots to just go do his job
and be disppointed at the standards.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Now I can go just do my job, and my
job is to make sure that you guys are prepared. Right.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
That's what Miami is so great at. Miami's prepared. No
matter who's in the lineup, they're prepared. It ain't about
the talent, It's about the preparation that you feel when
you go out there that you know everything they want
to do offensively, and everything they want to do defensively,
and everything you need to do. You're prepared for that,
and so he can focus on that and not have
to worry about all these housekeeping things that a lot

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of coaches got to worry about.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
You've been part of this culture and creating that, building
that culture, or are sustaining that culture in Miami and
then went to other places. How hard is it to
bring culture with you?

Speaker 1 (26:57):
You can't, It's so hard.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
You can bring it to the players, right even Lebron
James can leave Miami after four years and go back
to Cleveland and take some of the culture with him.
Of this is what we did. This is how we
do it to the players. But the front office run different.
Their mentality is different. The players that they look at
and bring in are different. You know, you gotta understand,
Like the Miami he everyone is asking what, you know,

(27:20):
why they've been so consistently so good because it's certain
pillars of people, of quality of people. The people that
they're bringing in have some of the same intangibles. Some
organizations just going to grab talent they ain't worry about
their personality traits, how they personality gonna fit with this
like that he has a certain got it, got it

(27:41):
person you know what I mean, These pillars that these
players have to have that they go out and look at.
And so, yeah, you can individually take some culture. And
if you are got that status of you know, of
being one of the best of the NBA at that time, yeah,
some people are going to follow. Now how do you
get everybody? You're gonna get the coaches, the balue, you
don't get the front office of the bank. How you don't
get everybody to buy into your mentality of oh no,

(28:01):
we need this culture. And so I realized that when
I went to Chicago. Was I enjoyed my one season
in Chicago more than most people think, but also too,
it was not a built in culture there, right, And
the built in culture is the accountability that is.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Needed from all of us. I didn't even have accountability there.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
I was outside my box a little bit doing things
I never did because the accountability wasn't there. And you
see it right away as a player, you know what
I mean. Like in Miami, if the second the third
unit messed the play up, we're.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Not moving on. You're gonna run it again, and you're
gonna run it again, and you're gonna run it again
until you get it right. And the other places the
second unit mess it up, we just keep going. It's like, hey,
hold on, I gotta play with these dudes, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (28:46):
And like that was one of my conversations to Fred
when I got to Chicago was we were in training
camp and I'm like, Fred, they just messed the play up,
but we ain't gonna run it again. And that wasn't
his mentality, that wasn't his structure at the time.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
He was first, you want to get it right, let's go.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
And I'm like, but Fred, I got to play with
these guys, like I need them to understand all the options,
not just the handoff shot, how about the handoff.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
No shot, Let's go to the second option. Ain't nothing,
never to go to the third of them.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
And so you know, once I got there, I was
I realized that, you know, it was a it was
an organization that was looking for culture and that didn't
have it. And so me as a player, yes, I'm
trying to bring in certain things, but at the same time,
I'm enjoying not having.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
The culture a little bit too.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
The players saw me jumping on a plane going here
and there, you know what I'm saying. So I wasn't
no good, you know what I mean, because I'm enjoying
the no accountability a little bit.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
It's the same for the problem thirty five.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
I'm like, well, I want to you know, I ain't
never did this, so you know, I think that's the
one thing we see and that's why you can see
that the teams are consistent outside of the ones that
you know are able to draft put together good teams
over the course of time. How many ones are What's
what's the teams that are consistent year at the year,
at the year at the year. It ain't many of
those teams. And those teams have what you call accountability.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
So now we got recoming up on March madness. We're
in March right now, We're coming into the.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
We're coming into the best time of the year for sports,
for basketball.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Now, have you watched any of your games lately?

Speaker 2 (30:14):
I mean, listen, I've been watching. I mean I'm on
my travels. I haven't been watching full games. But when
I get an opportunity to, yes, I tune in. But
I've been trying to, you know, keep up as much
as possible. But it's I mean, women's basketball right now
is bro It's up like it is up up.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
It's exciting. It's what we know as basketball fans. We
know this already. We know that the women that they
who you.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Know what I'm saying. But now the not necessarily knowledgeable
basketball fans is getting a chance to see it. And
there's certain players that you know, we get to look at,
obviously Caitlyn Clark and Juju and you know, it's so
many great players now in this era that's coming that
now we look at them and say, oh man, we're
thankful for them that they're great in this moment because

(31:01):
it's the perfect time for y'all to be as great
as all are with the temperature of the way the
world is, and so very thankful that we have generational
talent going on right now when the world seems ready
to be able to take the women's sport to that
next level.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
And when I say the world, I.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Mean like these big brands, these big corporations, because they're
the ones who do it right, you know what I mean,
Like they the ones who put them on TV. They
the ones who give profiles out. They the ones who
allow us to get to know and fall in love
with the athlete outside of the thirty forty points they're scoring.
And so that's why we love Caitlyn Clark. Now we're
getting a chance to see her, We're getting a chance
to learn about it, we getting a chance to follow her,

(31:36):
and we want more that we want more for Juju,
Like I feel like Juju need a little bit more
shine this year. I feel like we need a little
bit more storytelling about Juju, you know what I mean,
not just her points, but like I want to know more.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
You need the final for the march Mans as we go.
So did we get that to her?

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah? I mean, you know, we all listen.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
March is the is the greatest time of the year
when it comes to sports because of the competition, right,
because of the winning go home mentally and whenever you
gotta whenever it's it's a win to go home and
tally you're gonna get the best performance. You even know,
even in sport, I mean even in trying to win
championships or trying to go to the playoffs, the close
out game is the hardest game, because that's your last

(32:13):
breath and you're gonna for your last breath, You're gonna
give it all you got. And so if I'm up
three to oher and we got to close out a team,
that fourth game is the hardest game.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
And so that's why that.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
March Matags is so great because it's win or take
care of, it's home and everything that these players give
right is what we all love to watch.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
And that's everything that they have right. And so this
is when I watch, This is when I really watch.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
You know, why are you watching it? What memories is
to bring back for.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
You just knowing that you've been on that stage before
and knowing that, you know, for me, knowing that I
represented on their stage to the best of my abilities,
and you know what it.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
All feels like. You know what the media days are like.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
You know what the in between practice sessions are like,
when when the crowds is there, when media is there.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
You know, you know that the when.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
The players come out of their hotel, they got a
band playing form as they get on the bus and
you know what I mean, you know, the team, the
team and the community is traveling with the guys like
you know, all this, and so you know how big
of a of a moment that this is for sports
and for these individual players, Like I can go back
and I remember the hotels we stayed in and walking

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out of my room and hearing the band and seeing
the cheerleaders and seeing all the fans as we walked
through before we get on the bus, and you know
what I mean. And so it makes it it's a
little bit more, you know, heightened. You know, everyone's just
a little bit more intense and you feel it from everybody,
and so that makes the moment it's a little bit
more intense. And when you're able to win in those moments,

(33:45):
it makes it feel us a little bit better. I
love it, and so man, I love it. You know,
I didn't get a chance, Like I said, I didn't
get a chance to win the national championship, but I
got a chance to experience the NCAA tournament two years
in a row when I played, and just still to
this day, one of my favorite things to experience was
that win or go home mentality.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
That's I don't have anything like that, by the way,
So I can't share any experience with you, but I
share it for you.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, yeah, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
I love that. I love that for you, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Love that, and I love it for March is coming.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
I love it for all the kids is about to
get a chance to I think the one thing is
too about March and also about the playoffs, right, like
what I love about the nd season tournament or what
I love about the playing tournament, or what I love
about these alternate leagues or whatever it is. You some
great players cannot get to being a great player because
of they're not on that stage. And just because you're

(34:40):
good at basketball, because you're great, don't mean you always
gonna be on that stage. Right, It's so many things
I gotta go, right, But we are able to see
in mars Manas you're able to see stars developing rise.
You able to see some players that you you know,
you thought he was good go to that level. And
it's always sending the Reller stories, always players that come
out of nowhere. And it's the same thing that happened
in the NBA play And you know, I mean you're

(35:01):
going to see certain players get to that playoffs and
you're gonna see them rise.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
You gonna see them not rise.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
And that's where stars are kind of made and built
in these moments, and that's why we love these moments
because it's like, let me see what you built up,
let me see what you got, and you know, that's.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
That's where our stars are. Our stars are built in
these moments.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Bob Phones just went off as an alarm at three
or five because he's.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
From day County. Always it's going to open this Ever
since I moved here, I can never go forget from
three oh five. Ever. So now I have a question
because I saw on Instagram the other day that's it. Actually,
I actually want to talk about this actually a few
episodes ago about how and when the fingernails in the

(35:55):
painting painting? How when did you start with the finger
paint the fingernails?

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah, I think I started around around two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight. Time.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
It really started from my toes first. And it's funny
because I retired and my toes on looks like they
did when I played, like my.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Stuff all bruised up.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
But it really started me where I didn't like the
way my toenails looked for a long time. They was
just you know, from beating, hitting the shoes, you know,
all a year Rod and that stopping go game.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
I had.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
My stuff was beat down, so like even my stuff
was busted. Man, my stuff was black. They was fungused out.
They was bruised up.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Not really fungused, but they were bruised up.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
But yeah, I saw a friend of my wife's he
had black toenail polish one and I said shout out
to Jay and I looked at it, man, and I
was like, I want to do that now. I really
want to do that one because I want to put
a little shine into my toes. I want to bring
a little something to them because they look. I didn't
want to take off my socks. You know, I used

(36:53):
to wear socks on the beach with sandals. I still do, right,
but a lot of was because of my tone and
my toes already jacked up. But you know, it is
what it is. So anyway, I waited until that following summer.
So about it like two thousand and seven summer two
thousand and I can't remember, and I was on vacation,
and I was like, get a little a little paint
because I started doing Mandi's and petties after my in

(37:17):
two thousand and four, my first Manni and Petty was
after my game versus Baron Davis when I hit their
game winner in game one.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
In life, in life.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Why did you get it that day?

Speaker 1 (37:28):
What was your reason at the time? You know, Zaire
and Zaia.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Mom set up a spot dae for me because it
was at the first game of the playoffs and we
had a day all the next day, and she set
up a spot day and so I went over to
get a massage, and then in the massage they also
had a MANI and Petty and I've already knew about it,
and I had never did it before because at the
time it just wasn't a cool thing for men to do,
to go sit and get their feet done and get.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Their hands done. And so then I was like, you
know what, Yeah, I'm here. My feet hurt. I just
got done. I'm wearing these these convers that ain't good.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
At the time, my feet was killing me, and so
I'm like, yes, I need a little extra, little love,
little massage, a little warm water, a little soap.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
And so I got my first.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Many and Petty and I was like, oh, I like this,
Like I like how my hands felt, I like how
my feet fell.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
And I was walking on clouds. I was like, I'm in.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
And so that was two thousand and four, and then
two thousand and seven. Two thousand and eight is when
I introduced paint into my toenails. But for two years
I didn't show my teammates. Every time the season started,
I would take them off and just word a regular
because I didn't want nobody making fun of me in
locker room. And then I started growing and getting more mature,
and then I stopped giving about what people have to say,

(38:36):
and I just laid them joints out there like we
out here. And then they but they smashed me, smashed
me in the locker room, smashed, and then I got
over that and it was just a day of getting
smashed and we moved on. And so it was something
I started doing, and then from there I started to,
you know, bring it up to obviously to my nails,
and it was really just getting my nails done. And
at first I would just get a buff, just keep

(38:58):
them a little shine right, And actually one day I
saw MJ nails and MJ had clear polish on the
snailsm I'm talking about Mike Mike Jordan, and I was like, oh, yeah,
I can get the clear polish, Mike got it, you
know what I'm saying, Because at first I thought, I
was like, I can't get no polish on my nails.
I just got to do buff because I come from
a community where if you do anything outside of the

(39:18):
masculine norm, you're gay, right, And so I was trying
to like stay away from certain things because I was
trying to stay away from certain conversations that people would
say about me.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
That's when I cared and then you know, so then
I went with the clear for a while, and then
I was on vacation again. One day I was like,
let me hear a little sweat, get my thumb, get
my thumb, let me put a little color on it.
And so it was a slow process for me to
do it, but eventually it's just something that I wanted
to do because I'm a fly dude, and I'm just

(39:48):
goinging I'm a fly dude, right, you know what I'm saying,
And it's just a part of my esthetic. Like when
I decided to put like right now, I got like,
you know, we went to the Oscars and I got
black and white on my hands because you know, I
wore black and white and I wanted to kind of
match Vine. But for me, man, it's just an extension
of my art and my creativity. You know that it
stands out to my fingertips. I know it was something
that when we came into the world that was presented

(40:08):
as women do this only. But that's because that's what
was presented at the time. That doesn't mean that's the
only way, right, And so I love to see like
the young players now, you know, they got way more
artwork and they do way more than even I. But
I'm as an older gentleman, I'm out here in the
public eye and people still going to comment on the
fact that I get my nail. I mean doing it
for seventeen years. This is twenty twenty four. I've been

(40:30):
doing it. I mean not seventeen years. I'm tripping how
many years I've been doing I've been doing this in
two thousand and seven, I said seventeen years. I've been
doing it for in two thousand and seven, which puts
me AT's.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
No, that's seventeen years.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
That's my math for us, right, Yeah, math is right.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
So what that being said like for me is every culture,
every generation, they do it different. And in my culture
and my generation of the kind of you know, man
that I present myself as to the world.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
This is a part of how I want to be.
It doesn't you know?

Speaker 2 (41:00):
For me, Once I got away from personally feeling a
way about, you know, my masculinity or what people say
about my masculinity, and understanding that that I'm just me
and uh and I'm gonna do all the things I
want to do and I can't care about what others think,
because they're going to think about it whatever way you
do it.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I mean, I've been.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Freeing myself in fire, you saying, but as you move too, man,
I get so many compliments on my nail, and I
get so.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Many compliments from from women.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
And you know, when we put on as man, we
put on clothes, we put on perfume, I mean with perfume, cologne,
whatever you how you know the name is put on perfume,
We put on cologne, we put on the other room,
we put on we want, whatever we do. Everything we
putting on is for women. Everything when you hooping, when
you're young, you putting on because a woman was watching you,
like I'm about to go hard. And so when you

(41:50):
get that, when you walk through the world, like I
walked through the world and you got you know, you
get women like really because it shows a certain way
you take care of yourself and the level to detail
of how you take care of yourself. It's just like man,
when we look at women nails being done, their feet
being done certain things.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Was like, Okay, I see how she take care of herself.
I like that.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Women like that too, right, It's a part of it,
and so it's a part of my esthetic. You see
how I take care of myself in general? This is
this is just a this is.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
What you see on my hands. But you got do
you see the whole life.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I don't even like leaves in my car from the
from the ground and it could be fall I don't.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
I don't like it. Like right now, I know I
got leaves in my car because I've been stepping in
my car and I don't like it. You need to
get the joint washed.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
You need a lot to you that shows, that shows
and I've always kind of know that about you, a
level of like how you like, how you like it?

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, bro o, c DM.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Me like you want to like, you look good, feel good,
and stuff around you look good and feel good.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Bro I grew up that way. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
I grew up on on Westy Snipes. You know what
I'm saying. The movies saying that. You know what I mean,
Like in uh what is it?

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (42:56):
White man can't jump? That's how we roll look good
like d I baby. We gotta look good first. I
but I don't look good, then I don't feel good.
If I don't feel good, I can't play good. And
so I need to look good first. I need to
feel good. Then I'm gonna play good. So I mean,
and that's just that's it in life. That's how I
carry myself. If I feel like I look good my

(43:17):
version of what I look like, then now I feel good.
And when I feel good, then now I'm about to
I'm about to give y all this. You know what
I'm saying. And so, yeah, man, this is just something
that you know, I saw. Obviously in this new generation
a lot of more of young men are a little
bit more comfortable of doing it. But when I did,
it wasn't something that was necessary. I'm not the first

(43:38):
one to do it, but when I did, it wasn't
necessarily something that was kind of say allowed in the
space of you being you know, assists man.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
You know what I mean, a heteral man. You you
have to do certain things to be heteral. You have
to grow all your chests here and keep your under
arms Harry, and you know what I mean. Like it
was certain things. It's like I'm a man.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Well, you know, I hope that you know, we continue
to break down that. It's just not one way that
a man, especially a black man, needs to be. There's
so many different ways that you can exist as a man.
And everyone has their ways. I'm not telling everybody go
out and get their nails panted.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
That's not for you. If it's not for your right
and allow it to.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Be for the people that is for And don't just
you know, you'll need to put titles on someone because
they're doing something that's out of the norm of what
you learn. That's accepted. You can be how you want
to be. And so that's that's kind of this is
the freedom right here, This is me free right and
you know what I'm saying, And like that's how I
will always be, you know, as much as we can.
But you want to find freedom in this world. That's

(44:38):
the that's the goal, that's the journey and so this
is me finding freedom in my body. You know what
I'm saying. But that's it takes time to get to
that place. You get time to take time to get
to that place. You get people saying, man, I used
to be a fan and I ain't a fanom Mo, great,
I love it.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
I love it. You know it was funny to me. I
actually enjoyed. Remember when we were in China and a
Terry Crews interview came out and I was like, yo,
and I remember you because you talked about it and
you're not one. But I've always loved to be like,
oh listen, this happened and kind of talk about you know,
that's not true, that's not your game, which and I
appreciate how and you even appreciate that. Caw Terry Crews
kind of like shared that conversation as far as like

(45:19):
just like because because it was, it was, it was,
and everything you said happened, he repeated verbatim. So it
was kind of dope. Remember we were if you were
somewhere at the festival, what I witnessed was that it
was cool to see one how you you can tell
that you're comfortable in this world and I think it
kind of goes with the nails and then it goes
with everything everything about your life. It's a comfort level

(45:44):
there which I respect you, and I think that's something
that as as.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
As something had to work hard at, right.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah, And I think you said, like you said, at first,
you were scared to put out your toes into you.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
No, this is not something that you just I mean,
I wasn't just born with this I have. I had
to work myself to this. I had to be put
in situations to show me what really matters and what
don't in my life. But you know, man, first of all,
to the Terry Crews conversation, I appreciate him bringing it

(46:17):
to the forefront the way he did, because I wouldn't.
I'm never bringing it to the forefront. This is a
conversation that him and I had as two men, and
the reason we had it the conversation because we were
in the same environment and we had already had some
public words going back and forth on social media, not
just what he said about my wife, but I even said,
somebody take Terry Crew's phone, and we was having a

(46:37):
little back and forth and just the school I come from, man,
where I'm from like what I do know is beef
and things like that. The reason it continues to go
because you don't see each other, you don't talk to
each other, whatever, whatever the case of being to just grow, grow, grow, grow.
Now you hate somebody, you forget why you hate them, right,
And so for me, when I saw Terry Crews and

(46:59):
I knew we had have some conversations, you know publicly,
and also too that he has some stuff that you know,
he expressed by my wife, I wanted to go up
and I wanted to address it. But also too, I
look around at this festival and it's a handful of
black men here.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
I am a fan of Terry Crews, like I am.
What you want to talk about Friday, right.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Craig and day day you want to talk about his
So I've become a fan, and so you know, I've
never had any ill will versus him. But you know,
obviously in that moment, you know what everything have with
my wife. But when I seen him, I saw him
over there with his wife. We were there, were always
there to have a great time. But just understand that
we're going to be uncomfortable if we don't have this conversation.

(47:46):
It's no reason for me to be uncomfortable, you to
be uncomforable, my wife to be uncompany, your wife to
be uncomfort because.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
We're in the same environment right now.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
So man and man, let's have this man and man conversation,
because that's what most people don't do, especially nowadays. A
lot of things are over there airways. You know, UD
call them studio gangsters. It's a lot of studio gangsters.
And I'm not saying I'm a gangster. I ain't saying
I'm walking up to you ready to throw them things.
Now I'm from I'm a man. I gotta protect myself,
but I ain't walk up dic Terry cruise. I'm about

(48:14):
to throw no hands. I walked them to him respectfully.
What's up, black man?

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Right right?

Speaker 2 (48:18):
I see another black king in here. I'm gonna pay
my respects. But also too, we got something to talk about,
and what we got to talk about is what we
eventually started talking about. And that was a moment, you know,
for him to do what he did was to say,
you know, where's your queen? You know, I want to
go and I want to personally apologize because you know,
did I feel he needed to? Yes, you know what

(48:39):
I mean, But he had to feel he needed to,
but I provided the space for that. And what he
said was what I loved is that grace was given
and he said he didn't deserve it. And to me,
that was so powerful because in my life, I only
want people around me that gives me grace because I
give grace, you know what I mean, Like that's true

(49:01):
love for me for people who's gonna give you grace
because we're all gonna need It's gonna be some point
where we all gonna need grace because we're not gonna
be who you thought we were, and we're gonna have
laps in moments and we're gonna you know, it's gonna
be a lot of things and we're gonna need grace.
And so yeah, I'm gonna give him grace because that's
how I live life. I feel like grace should be given.
And so I was so thankful for him, and I

(49:24):
reached out to him afterwards and just sent them a
salute or whatever the case would be, because that was
two men having two grown ups having a conversation together
and it was no mother, and there was no flexing,
no muscles, it was no it was hey, I know
what I did wrong in this situation.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Let me go right, my wrong, where's your queen? And
so far and so on.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
But if I don't go up and I don't under
stand that hand, if I don't go up and I
don't address him and also let him know I see
your presence here, black man, then we never get to that.
And so no, it's not even about smoke, like I'm not.
I'm not I don't call smoke. My life doesn't even
allow me to focus on smoke. But if we've had
something that needs to be addressed between us and we're

(50:06):
in the same space, then you just I don't want
nobody be like, but you just seen me, right.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Why you didn't say that the stuff to me?

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Because we're gonna get behind this microphone and we're gonna
say certain things. And so if I see you now,
this is my opportunity if I need to to present
what it is. But also too, I'm letting you know
that that you're talking about don't really mean nothing, like
real real like that don't mean nothing.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Man.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
We all in this world trying to exist. We all
in this world trying to figure it out. Sometime we're
gonna it's gonna be wrong, it's gonna be mistakes, it's
gonna be made, and we're gonna have people around us.
It's gonna help us and give us grace to come
back from that. And so yeah, Terry Crews is a
big staple in the black community, and so we don't
want to have beef with Terry Crews, and Terry Crews
don't want to have beef with us. We all in

(50:50):
the same community together, and so for us to be
able to squash that beef, to be able to share
food together, share wine together, share a beautiful moment that
was grown up ship, was adult light. And so I
salute that black man just the same way he saluted
me for standing on business, and that business is standing
on respect of you know, two men that had some

(51:13):
words that needed to address those words and then we
move on.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
I love it. I love it. So we even asked
this question usually the same way, and he's the question
that you always ask all your your guests on the why.
And I asked this because it may change or it
may be a little different than may modified. So what's
your why?

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Now? Oh what's my wine? Access to the life?

Speaker 2 (51:36):
I won't my wife is access to the life I won't,
and so to have the access to the life I won't,
the work got to be put in by me, my leadership,
and what I want has to be told by me,
has to be.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Shown by me. And so that's what I'm off doing.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
I'm off, you know, working hard to have the access
to the life that I won't for not only myself,
what I want for my family in the now and
in the future. And so a little unconventional way it
may look of doing it, but this is the way
that you know, I needed to do it, you know,
And that's one of the reasons why I've allowed myself
to be freelance in life and I have a job

(52:15):
I got to really tie step, you know into because
I need I needed to create the freedom to be
able to go out and create that the life I
want to live and the access I want to live
and access to things that I want to be a
part of how I'm growl my wealth. I got to
have access to these funds. I gotta have access to
these investors. I have access to this, this and this,
and so access.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Is my thing.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
And being real attentional in twenty twenty four is what
it was on my vision board, and I've been intentional
about where I go, where I show up, where.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
I'm spending my time, and how I'm spending it.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
And so my why right now is a twenty twenty
four why is to create the access to the life
that you know, I want my family to have eventually
in to live.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
I love the fact that it might be a lot
different every time.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
So that's dope, because why I kind of vaults day
to day, right, Your why is not a finale, like
you know what I mean. Your why is you know
you can wake up tomorrow and have a whole different
You realize that, oh man, I've been going down this street,
let me now go down this one. And that changes
a little bit of your why. Now it's something gonna
be in there. That's connectivity, right. But like I said,

(53:19):
I have a twenty twenty four why, and that's the
why I'm focusing on right now. You know, the planning
for the future, you know, be president in a moment,
learn from the past. But I'm in the moment as
I still, as I'm out there working planning for my future.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
I'm gonna see because because that was that's such a bar.
I want to make sure I don't get because that
might be on the T shirt. Just let you know,
plan for the future, live in a moment, be president,
to be president in the moment.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Be president in the moment.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
And what about the past? And you said, what was
it about the past?

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I said, learn from We learned from the past. Yeah,
the past is where you learn from.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Learn from the past.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
The president the right now is where I'm president in
this moment. Like every day, I try to wake up
to be present. And that's the thing that we don't
do because we're worried about the past. We worried about
the future, and so we take ourselves out of the presence.
So let's be present in the day. Let's plan for
the future, and let's learned from my past. And so
my day is a cycle of that, right, My day

(54:16):
is a cycle of learning from something made that mistake again,
I didn't make it again, learn from it. But I
want to be present here right like today we're shooting
the wine Down. I'm not doing the Wye podcast. I'm
not doing you know, anything else in my business. I'm
now present in the wine Down. But also too, the
wind down is about the future too, and so we're

(54:37):
preparing for the future, sitting here shooting.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
The wind down.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
And so that's kind of how I look at life,
man like, when I go out here and I'm trying
to create this access for my family in all the ways,
I'm preparing for the future, but you know, in real time,
the work is being done now in the present, right,
And then I'm learning from everything in the past that
I either didn't know or that I messed up on
when it comes to getting allowing these things to become

(55:03):
what they are.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
And so yeah, bro, that's what I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
And this is then of the wind down we are,
and that's a rap