August 26, 2024 • 33 mins
The constant speculation about Joe Imbo’s involvement led to him suffering a heart attack. We share what happened as well as a long awaited statement about the investigation from Joe Imbo. Meanwhile, the team contacts a medium who shares information that changes the course of our investigation.
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If you have any tips on the disappearance of Richard Petrone and Danielle Imbo, please contact the Citizens Crime Commission at 215-546-TIPS (8477).
Jonathan Mark is one of the world’s most sought-after mediums, regularly connecting clients with those who have passed to the other side. His mission is to provide closure to his clients, which include first responders, veterans, and those mourning the loss of parents, children, and close friends alike.
In addition, he works with law enforcement agencies, including the FBI and NYPD, to help solve cases, including the recent high-profile cases of Gabby Petito and the Gilgo Beach murder cases. Jonathan has also read numerous celebrity clients, including Alex Cooper, singer SIA, Rosanna Arquette, and Nina Dobrev.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Philadelphia, a mystery along the Cooper River after police pulled
two cars out of the water. And that's not all
that they found. This afternoon, Goodie being.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hensock and police confirmed today that a third vehicle was
recovered from the Cooper River in South Jersey.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Now on the ground, we see crime scene investigators sifting
through the mud, the debris and presumably now evidence.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
There corpse was found inside one of those cars. The
identity of that person is pending DNA testing. The FBI
is assisting in that investigation.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm Andrea Gunning and this is therein Gone South Street
Episode nine. Corruption's a same in machine reached out in
the dog.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
For you, PI last to me, I'll never give up,
no matter how I opened my eyes.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Define car.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Just to note that the views and opinions expressed in
this podcast are solely those of the individuals participating. This
podcast also contained subject matter which may not be suitable
for everyone. Discretion is advised. On an early Saturday morning
(01:35):
in May twenty twenty four, my phone started blowing up.
First came text messages from friends saying did you see this?
It was a link to an article about three cars
being pulled from a river in Pennsauken, New Jersey. Then
came a flurry of other messages saying one of the
vehicles pulled from the water was reported to contain a body.
(01:57):
That morning, my colleague Ben picked me up and we
headed to Jersey.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Pennsauken is absolutely within like the radius. It's twenty minutes
from Danielle's apartment. It's just outside of Philadelphia, just over
the Van Franklin Bridge.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Ben and I were headed to the Cooper River, which
flows into the Delaware River. If geography isn't your thing,
the Delaware River actually divides New Jersey from Pennsylvania and
the rivers. It's about four blocks from the bar where
Danielle and Richard were last seen leaving. It's just crazy
that there's one body found in the car I knew.
According to the article, the police were set up near
(02:35):
a driving range near the Cooper River.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
That secluded that secluded.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
By the time we arrived, TV news crews were on site,
along with a helicopter hovering overhead. At first glance, the
spot wasn't exactly where I would imagine someone would dump
a car. While crews pulled vehicles out of the river,
there were people one hundred feet away working on their
golf swings. Ben was on the phone with FBI agent
(03:03):
Fido Rosselli and I walked around the area. By that time,
the search and rescue teams had parked their vehicles as
a sort of shield, so we couldn't really see what
was going on. When I got back to the car,
I could tell from Ben's face that we hit another
dead end.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
I hear anything with by getting update for my good
I'll get you out sounds good.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Appreciate it, and sure enough, none of the three vehicles
pulled from the water belonged to Richard. According to NBC News,
the body found in one of those cars was later
identified as a Jersey woman who had been missing since
twenty ten. Don't get me wrong, we're both relieved for
the family of that missing New Jersey woman, but it's
(03:44):
a rollercoaster of emotion. This whole experience was a reminder
that on any given day, a discovery could be made
that would turn this case on its head. Anytime a
car is found, Danielle and Richard's names will come up.
It's all just a mind fuck. I can't even imagine
how many times the families had to go through something
(04:06):
like this.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
If you're listening and you're not in their shoes, you
should feel grateful.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
That's journalist Steve Volk. He wrote about Danielle and Richard's disappearance.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I would love some.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
Kind of peace for those families to put to bed
the what ifs.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
The what ifs in this case are endless. What if
they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
What if it was murder for hire. What if the
car was crushed, What if the car was in the water.
What if it was crushed then put in the water.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
There's no luck that created this. I don't see it.
Speaker 7 (04:42):
You have to have resources and connections to make a
truck disappear. This was done seemingly professionally, and we don't
know who, but there is at least one person out.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
There who knows.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Here's FBI agent Vido Rosselli.
Speaker 8 (05:03):
It's not going to get solved by forensics. This will
get solved by somebody coming forward that had information, had
certain keys that could tie this whole thing together.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
At least one person and quite possibly many many other
people know something.
Speaker 8 (05:21):
Logic would indicate it's at least two people that are
confronting the victims, and then you're going to have at
least a third person controlling the two people.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And then to dispose of Richard's three thousand pound Dodge
to codea pickup.
Speaker 8 (05:37):
Generally that would take two people too. The one person
to drive the truck up there, another person to have
a forklift to soft crush the vehicle right and then
put it somewhere where it's not going to be seen.
So that's going to be at least a couple of
people just to get the truck crushed.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
If you start adding up the potential number of people
involved in disposing the vehicle from start to finish, that's
another two to four people minimum, and without any physical evidence,
the only way Vito and the FBI are going to
solve it is for someone to come forward and talk.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
I don't know how many people have direct knowledge, but
these types of crimes are normally hard to keep quiet.
Several folks out there. I got to know directly from
the horse's mouth what happened. And also there are a
lot of people dead in this case that I wish
I could go talk to.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Vido never said who those people were, but I can
think of two names right off the bat, Rob Lafloor,
and Robert Carrey. Lafloor owned the junkyard believed to be
where Richard's truck was crushed, and Robert Carey was the
rumored hitman. Lafloora died of an overdose in twenty twelve.
Carrie took his own life in jail in twenty ten.
(06:48):
Journalist Steve Volk wrote extensively about Robert Carrey in a
twenty fourteen article in Philadelphia Magazine.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
The police questioned him directly. You know they didn't get
anything from him, is my understanding.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Back in twenty ten, the Philadelphia Daily News had already
named Robert Carey as the alleged hitman and Danielle and
Richard's disappearance.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
I remember hearing about Robert Carey as somebody that would
have been potentially available for hire. They had a reputation
link for potentially being a hit man. It wasn't that
big a deal to him to do this sort of work,
so if somebody asked him for a favor or whatever,
he'd be potentially available.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
If you remember, Robert Carey was accused of beating someone
up so badly that he knocked out the victim's left eye.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
He was the roughest customer in one of the roughest neighborhoods,
if not the roughest neighborhood in Philly.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
The neighborhood steps talking about is Fishtown. Fishtown is a
working class, blue collar part of Philly. The name comes
from its early settlers, who were mainly fishermen that lived
in this tiny neighborhood along the Delaware River. Although it's
gentrified quite a bit since two thousand and five, it's
always maintained a rough around the edge's reputation.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
From my point of view, Fishtown was a rough, violent place.
There's a long history of organized crime operating out of there.
Fishtown had families in it that would end you.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Robert Kerrey actually owned property in Fishtown, and people in
that neighborhood used to look at him almost like the Godfather,
where he was equally respected and feared.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
There's a segment of people who knew him who were
perversely proud of what a fucking tough guy he was.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
And according to Steve sources, Carrie was the hit man
who killed Danielle and Richard in Fishtown.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
That case has closed. It's just taken as a given
that he did it.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
I remember that being like a real hope of investigators
that like, so you're dealing with underworld types who take
some kind of money for higher gig and at some point,
I mean, one of them is going to talk, maybe
even to brag, because guys like that end up in
and out of jail.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
And there were some rewards being offered.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
At one point that reward was one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
One of the most like, sort of unlikely crazy things
about this is that nobody's talked, nobody's bragged, nobody's spoken
about it.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
And here's the thing about Fishtown, there's a sort of
unwritten rule about a code of silence.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
You've got families who've known each other for generations. They
have formed these relationships, and there's a lot of loyalties there,
but like Carrie's dead.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Six months after Robert Carey took his own life in jail,
the police arrested twenty of Kerry's associates. According to the
Pennsylvania Attorney General, many of those arrested were allegedly involved
in Robert Carey's prescription drug operation and lived in Fishtown.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Those people haven't even talked.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It's pretty clear why Vedo said there were times in
this investigation. He wanted to beat his head against the wall.
Robert Carey's been dead nearly fifteen years, and no one
is talking. We learned that Lesson as well. The one
person who would talk to us on the record about
Robert Carey asked her remain anonymous. No one else would
(10:23):
go on the record. Steve said he even got pushed
back when he was doing research for his article.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
I had asked around about him, and I got some
kind of email like warning me away, like don't ask
around about him.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
This is fucking fish town. We love that guy. He's dead.
We don't speak ill of the fucking dead, So don't
come around here with that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
No matter where you look in this case, there's Joe Embo.
I mean, just look at the facts. In the year
leading up to his estranged wife's disappearance, Joe cheated on
Danielle and left her for that other woman. As their
marriage headed towards a divorce, Danielle started dating Richard Patron.
Joe found out and didn't like it. He wanted to
(11:23):
reconcile with Danielle, but Danielle wasn't ready to forgive and
forget Joe's Super Bowl affair in two thousand and four,
and that he left Danielle to raise their twenty month
old by herself when he moved to Georgia in two
thousand and five. Joe told the Philadelphia Daily News that
he even called Richard and told him to quote back
off and quote get out of the picture until after
(11:45):
their divorce. Shortly after the new year in two thousand
and five, Danielle ended things with Richard. Weeks passed, including
the Valentine's Day holiday, and then Richard called Danielle and
asked her to meet up on Saturday, February nineteenth, two
thousand and five. As you know, Danielle ultimately agreed and
they both vanished that night. Law enforcement has never charged Joe.
(12:09):
They've also never publicly cleared him, and that's what makes
things so frustrating, even for Joe.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
One place where I sympathized with Joe is that he
knows everybody's looking at him the whole time with.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
So little information. Journalist Steve Volk said law enforcement was
forced to examine and re examine what few facts they had.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Whenever you're dealing with a case where you don't know
in the end, so many different pieces of evidence could
be turned over different ways and look either evidence for
or against.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
And depending on how you view them, that's where things
could look either good or bad for Joe. I mean,
just look at the night Danielle and Richard vanished.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
His alibi was framed by the patrons as alarmingly convenient
that he happened to be with his stepdad, police officer
that night.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
That night, Joe was with his relatives too, who happened
to be in law enforcement, and he stayed overnight in
Tom's River, New Jersey. Tom's River is just about an
hour drive from Danielle's condo, So I could see why
you could question Joe's alibi. And let's not forget Joe
admitted to listening to Danielle's voicemails.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
If you are going to put your Joe Imbo had
nothing to do with his hat on and think in
those terms, wow, as he followed by the circumstances surrounding.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
This, Think about that. Imagine you're in the following scenario,
your wife vanished, and you have this mountain of circumstantial
evidence that can be flipped to look either for or
against you. Like Steve said in the last episode.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
God that would be its own circle of.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Hell, and according to Joe, it was when he was
just thirty seven years.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Old heart attack. He connected the heart attack to just the.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Stress, and according to Steve's article, all of it left
Joe quote a bitter, bitter man.
Speaker 7 (14:14):
I don't think he hid from the idea that this
whole thing had taken a toll on him.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
We had questions. We tried to sit with Joe. I
spoke with him twice by phone, but he didn't want
to be interviewed. Ben spoke to him a number of
times and ultimately met with him face to face in
South Carolina in June twenty twenty four. The two had
an off the record conversation at a small coffee shop
outside of Charles Stent. A few minutes after their meeting, Ben.
Speaker 9 (14:43):
Called me Henika. He is very charming, very friendly, but
there's some pain in his face.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Ben said he and Joe talked for around an hour
and that his physical appearance reminded him of Kyle Chandler,
salt and pepper hair, the little bit of facial hair,
but outside of that, he felt like Joe was just
an ordinary fifty two year old guy.
Speaker 10 (15:10):
The feeling is, you know, he is another person who
lost someone in all of this and is still grieving
and still wanting answers like the families.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Do right, Ben said, talking with Joe was just like
talking with most other people we've talked to for this podcast.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
So how do you feel about it.
Speaker 9 (15:30):
I'm struggling with the fact that he won't go on
the record and talk with me.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Do you think he did this? I was responsible for this.
Ben took a deep sigh and took a long pause.
Speaker 11 (15:43):
You know, you're hopeful you're able to read them or
get some sort of tell or indication that, oh, there's
the smoking gun.
Speaker 9 (15:53):
But I'm not coming back to you with that moment, Trey.
Speaker 11 (15:58):
You spend a lot of time I am reading about
someone and about their life and about things that they've done.
I think you can build both expectations and perceptions in
your head. But sitting in front of him, he's just
(16:18):
an ordinary guy.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Honestly, we weren't expecting to hear from Joe again, But
on a Saturday afternoon in August twenty twenty four, almost
two months after Joe and Ben met for coffee, Ben
got a text message from Joe. I'll let Ben read it.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Ben, this is the only thing I would like to contribute.
If you choose to use it, please use it in
its entirety and not edited portions of it. I would
like to thank you and your team at iHeart for
keeping the disappearance of Danielle and Richard in the news.
Hopefully someone in your listening audience will know something and
come forward. The only thing I am guilty of is
(16:57):
being a shitty husband and making some poor decisions. I
live with the guilt of knowing I am the one
who put Danielle in the position where she was out
with Richard Patron that night. I've spent the last twenty
years raising our son to become someone I know Danielle
would be proud of. The last phone call I had
with Danielle was the afternoon she disappeared. She asked me
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to go to the circus with her and our son.
Do you think I could wake up every morning and
look at my son if I did anything to his mother.
People who don't know me will have their doubts, and
I can't change that. The only thing that matters to
me is that Danielle's family knows I had nothing to
do with this.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
At the beginning of this series. You heard how Danielle's
brother John got a tip.
Speaker 12 (17:44):
Some psychic called my mother in law and said Danielle
was dying in its box car under the Walt Whitman Bridge.
So here I am scaling this fence at midnight with
a flashlight looking in box.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Course, that unsolicited lead from a psychic never let John
to Danielle, but it did give me an idea. Like
Steve said, we've turned over every scenario of possibilities in
our head. I felt like veto banging my head against
a wall. I just wanted direction. I thought, what is
(18:18):
there to lose? So I reached out to a medium,
and I must preface this by saying, skeptic inside me
debated whether we should even share this. But if this
idea turned out to be a total waste of time,
I would not be spending one second on what I'm
about to share with you. I got in touch with
Jonathan Mark, who isn't just your ordinary medium. Jonathan has
(18:41):
been helping law enforcement like the NYPD and FBI for
a few years now.
Speaker 13 (18:47):
I'm their last option, and I'm never there first.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Jonathan's resume includes some high profile cases, including the Long
Island serial killer case.
Speaker 13 (18:56):
And that's when the lead Task Forced agent called me
and he was like, you have fifteen minutes, let me
see what you got. Then from there I got inundated
with so many different law enforcement agencies to do these cases,
like over a thousand cases from all over the world.
People I think know me more from the Gabby Patito case.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Gabby Patito went missing while on a cross country trip
with her boyfriend in twenty twenty one. Her boyfriend later
admitted to killing Potito. Although Jonathan worked with law enforcement
on the case, he said he didn't necessarily solve anything.
Speaker 13 (19:33):
I just helped him go into a certain direction and
they did their amazing law enforcement work and they put
the pieces together.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
He even got tapped in to help with the case
of the four Idaho students who were murdered, but was
admittedly too freaked out by it all, so he turned
it down. Today, his waitlist contains roughly ten thousand names.
You can hear more about that on his podcast called
Connect with Jonathan Mark. Jonathan knew I wanted to meet
about a project was working on, but was given no
(20:02):
other information. To his credit, he invited me and Ben
to his home in New York. I should note this
was two months before the show launched, and I don't
even think he knew where we were from.
Speaker 13 (20:14):
I always tell people it's a blessing and a gift
that I can do this and help people and use
it in different avenues. It occurs because you can't turn
it off. You're talking about death, and not just death.
You're dealing with people's emotions that these don't have answers for.
So it's really difficult and tough.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I didn't know what to expect, but I didn't expect
a warm and friendly, lacrossebrow sporting a backwards hat and
workout clothes, a normal guy from your average Long Island family,
except for his ability to speak to those who have
crossed over. I was nervous. Ben was nervous. Jonathan was nervous.
(20:55):
He mentioned that he typically reads family members and was
unsure if we could reach anyone other than our loved ones.
But then he jumped right in, so.
Speaker 13 (21:05):
You're cool with like the intensity of stuff, right, Like
that's what okay? So you have two people that are
coming through. Wow, this is kind of nuts. They're showing
my uncle. My uncle's name is Richard, but it's an
our name. They're show me my brother. My brother's name
is Daniel, but the female has a da name. I
(21:27):
see they both had families. It seems like by families,
I mean like children with different partners.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Jonathan stared at a blind wall that was to the
right of us. He said, he typically does this so
he can focus and not see our reactions. Ben and
I sat in complete silence and let him continue.
Speaker 13 (21:46):
This has to be like a two decade or almost
a two decade case, because what's coming through to me
is there's little to no movement. And by that that
doesn't mean that law enforcement's not doing their thing. There's
just little to no evidence that continue. But what I
am seeing is that there has been some shifts, like recently,
like in the last like six months, there's been some
like shifts. Another thing too, there's a key component to
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their case that's linked to a car that's like gone too,
whether it's a car or a minivan or a truck
or something.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Like I said, I didn't know what to expect, but
I definitely didn't expect Jonathan to be spot on.
Speaker 13 (22:25):
There's shown me the color black in a car. That's
a key component of like an evidence, whether it's the
color black or just like a car. But they're also
showing me too that there's a body of water that
is like a huge key factor.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
In May of twenty twenty four, we reached out to
Jonathan Mark, a medium who has helped the FBI and NYPD,
and he graciously agreed to talk with us. Just a
minute or two into our session, Ben and I were speechless.
Prior to this, Jonathan had never met me or my
colleague Ben. In fact, he didn't know anything about the
case or where we were from. And right off the bat,
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Jonathan had clearly identified Richard and Danielle. And then came
someone else.
Speaker 13 (23:22):
There's like a third person and they're putting music notes
and stuff in. They're just enjoying, like reuniting and things
like that. Who was a musician in their family.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
That was the first moment I got chills. We told
Jonathan about Danielle's father and how he was a doo
wop singer. I didn't really know what to make of
it all, but the idea of Danielle reuniting with her
dad made me happy.
Speaker 13 (23:48):
And then also to someone else, another family member. They
keep pointing at me, My name's Jonathan, but it's John
or something like the jo name they're pointing at me.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I was assuming John Danielle's brother.
Speaker 13 (24:01):
Who is Marge or Margaret, Marge Margaret.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
We told him that Marge is Richard's mother.
Speaker 13 (24:09):
She's pretty ruthless with this, so like, I give her
a lot of credit, and she's a freaking warrior from
what I see. The last time they were seen from
my perspective, is at whether it's a restaurant, a bar,
a concert, or something we're drinking was involved. He's smiling
saying he had a few in his stomach, so he
was happy.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
He is Richard.
Speaker 13 (24:30):
It seems like before they passed they knew of each other,
because what they're showing to me is they feel complete
and whole at this moment together because they're saying it
was a separation to come together. But she keeps saying
there's a jealousy factor with someone like I don't know
what it is, but she keeps saying there's a jealousy
factor that was going on at the introim of their passing.
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She keeps reiterating to me, you have to separate to
come together again. That's what you keep saying. There's a
separation to come together.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Again, separation to come together again. It was a phrase
Jonathan mentioned a few times.
Speaker 13 (25:09):
So can I ask you guys, it's like one question.
Did they find nothing? Like not too much, because it's
the guy is smiling. He's like a big goose egg
right now.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Ben shared that there was no physical evidence.
Speaker 13 (25:23):
It seems like the translation of when it happened to
when that both of them went missing was like a
snap of a finger. It's kind of like you wipe
your hands clean and that there's no crumbs of where
you ate anything. And what they're also kind of sharing
with me too with this is that there's a body
of water that is like a huge key factor to this.
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So there's a body of water that's not too far
away and it's like a river or some type of
like stream or like a large body of work. But
it's not an ocean. It's one hundred percent not inn ocean.
It's like you can swim in it, but it's probably
not preferred to swim in it type of thing. Because
what he keeps saying is he's making a joke to me.
He's saying it's like now you see me, and now
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you don't. It seems like they did look at a
body of order, whether it's a river or a lake,
a stream. They're in the wrong spot, like they're searching
in the wrong area, but it's not too far away
from it, if that makes sense. It's kind of like
if you're looking like upstream, but then there's a whole
downstream that emerges into like a lake. Kind of it's
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going to be very difficult to find. From what he's saying,
it's like pretty close to like a state line where
it's twenty thirty minutes that's not far from where this happened.
Do you ever have a hit man or someone that
like a paid killer? I guess is the best way
from what I see with this. When someone puts pen
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and paper in front of me, it typically means an
orchestrated type of passing. There is a suspect that I
think that they have. It's a suspect like in jail
already for something, or did they have like a rap sheet?
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
We weren't sure what to say. The person that came
to my mind was Robert Carrey, but we didn't share
that with Jonathan.
Speaker 13 (27:08):
Like an orchestrated group of people that are not fantastic
citizens of society that come together. That's what I see
because I see it happened, and you can correct me
if I'm wrong. Like outside a bar, whether it's a bar,
restaurant or something, they're making a joke. It's like wrong place,
wrong time type of thing. It's like when you reconnect
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and you're just going to have dinner or drinks or something,
and they're saying that like there's another our name that's
associated with his passing or associated around him. That seems
fairly intense to me, or like know something a little
bit more than anything. Everything that these horrible people did
to them with their plan was executed pretty perfectly because
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they had eyes and ears everywhere. It's like the stars
aligned for these really shitty people. Because it also seems
like there was a a friend or a couple that
was with them or should have been with them, that
didn't come because they were circulating saying like thank god
no one else was like with them at that time.
It's not like what I normally would see. I would say,
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because there's a lot of moving parts with these people.
They had help from outside conglomerates as like a group
to make sure each corner was covered and that the
case was shoved pushed down away for many, many many years.
Shining light on this case is going to be the
best thing because it's going to expose not only the
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person who did it and the group who did it,
but people that were involved in it that should be
held accountable but also shouldn't have positions that they're in
or positions that they were in. My heart breaks for them,
like my heart breaks for them, just because when you're
battling up against very powerful, corrupt people, it's tough. What
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Richard is trying to explain to me is like any
help is good help. And he's saying that anytime someone
gets close, someone's hands gets like chopped, cut, like handcuffed whatever.
He's smiling saying, like f that, like let's go in
all different corners, like let's hit different spots that people
weren't even originally thinking. It's the corruption side that is
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like the most important to them. The corruption will lead
to the answer to their passing. It's kind of like
this person has this person's back, who has this person's back.
He's saying, like there's dots that connect, but it always
circles back to like a circle, and it's like everyone's
kind of like protecting their circle is what he keeps saying.
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But I think anyone that's like investigating this cases up
against it's like a lot of times people don't want
to turn on their own people, Like that's what I've learned,
Like people don't want to turn on their own people.
And he's saying, like, that's what will have to happen.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
What I find so interesting is that he kept saying corruption,
you tackle the corruption, everything else comes together.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
So for the skeptics out there who are like, you know,
Jonathan did his diligence.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
It's never been reported on. It's something that's been coming
up in our investigation.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
This is not a part of the story that he
would have come across on a Google search about this
case to compile information to share with us.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Right, And we hadn't even talked about everything that you
had been independently researching and investigating until that very morning
on the way to him.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I think I had conducted three interviews leading into our
trip on Friday up to Jonathan that first uncovered this
idea that there was a larger corruption story that could
be tied to Richard and Danielle's story, and.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Just meeting with him validated a direction that we had
already wanted to go in. I think we know where
we need to spend our time. That's next time on
there and Gone South Street. If you have any information
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about the disappearance of Danielle Limbo and Richard Petrone, please
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Philadelphia, a mystery along the Cooper River after police pulled
two cars out of the water. And that's not all
that they found. This afternoon, Goodie being.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hensock and police confirmed today that a third vehicle was
recovered from the Cooper River in South Jersey.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Now on the ground, we see crime scene investigators sifting
through the mud, the debris and presumably now evidence.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
There corpse was found inside one of those cars. The
identity of that person is pending DNA testing. The FBI
is assisting in that investigation.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm Andrea Gunning and this is therein Gone South Street
Episode nine. Corruption's a same in machine reached out in
the dog.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
For you, PI last to me, I'll never give up,
no matter how I opened my eyes.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Define car.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Just to note that the views and opinions expressed in
this podcast are solely those of the individuals participating. This
podcast also contained subject matter which may not be suitable
for everyone. Discretion is advised. On an early Saturday morning
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in May twenty twenty four, my phone started blowing up.
First came text messages from friends saying did you see this?
It was a link to an article about three cars
being pulled from a river in Pennsauken, New Jersey. Then
came a flurry of other messages saying one of the
vehicles pulled from the water was reported to contain a body.
(01:57):
That morning, my colleague Ben picked me up and we
headed to Jersey.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Pennsauken is absolutely within like the radius. It's twenty minutes
from Danielle's apartment. It's just outside of Philadelphia, just over
the Van Franklin Bridge.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Ben and I were headed to the Cooper River, which
flows into the Delaware River. If geography isn't your thing,
the Delaware River actually divides New Jersey from Pennsylvania and
the rivers. It's about four blocks from the bar where
Danielle and Richard were last seen leaving. It's just crazy
that there's one body found in the car I knew.
According to the article, the police were set up near
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a driving range near the Cooper River.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
That secluded that secluded.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
By the time we arrived, TV news crews were on site,
along with a helicopter hovering overhead. At first glance, the
spot wasn't exactly where I would imagine someone would dump
a car. While crews pulled vehicles out of the river,
there were people one hundred feet away working on their
golf swings. Ben was on the phone with FBI agent
(03:03):
Fido Rosselli and I walked around the area. By that time,
the search and rescue teams had parked their vehicles as
a sort of shield, so we couldn't really see what
was going on. When I got back to the car,
I could tell from Ben's face that we hit another
dead end.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
I hear anything with by getting update for my good
I'll get you out sounds good.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Appreciate it, and sure enough, none of the three vehicles
pulled from the water belonged to Richard. According to NBC News,
the body found in one of those cars was later
identified as a Jersey woman who had been missing since
twenty ten. Don't get me wrong, we're both relieved for
the family of that missing New Jersey woman, but it's
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a rollercoaster of emotion. This whole experience was a reminder
that on any given day, a discovery could be made
that would turn this case on its head. Anytime a
car is found, Danielle and Richard's names will come up.
It's all just a mind fuck. I can't even imagine
how many times the families had to go through something
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like this.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
If you're listening and you're not in their shoes, you
should feel grateful.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
That's journalist Steve Volk. He wrote about Danielle and Richard's disappearance.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I would love some.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
Kind of peace for those families to put to bed
the what ifs.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
The what ifs in this case are endless. What if
they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
What if it was murder for hire. What if the
car was crushed, What if the car was in the water.
What if it was crushed then put in the water.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
There's no luck that created this. I don't see it.
Speaker 7 (04:42):
You have to have resources and connections to make a
truck disappear. This was done seemingly professionally, and we don't
know who, but there is at least one person out.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
There who knows.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Here's FBI agent Vido Rosselli.
Speaker 8 (05:03):
It's not going to get solved by forensics. This will
get solved by somebody coming forward that had information, had
certain keys that could tie this whole thing together.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
At least one person and quite possibly many many other
people know something.
Speaker 8 (05:21):
Logic would indicate it's at least two people that are
confronting the victims, and then you're going to have at
least a third person controlling the two people.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And then to dispose of Richard's three thousand pound Dodge
to codea pickup.
Speaker 8 (05:37):
Generally that would take two people too. The one person
to drive the truck up there, another person to have
a forklift to soft crush the vehicle right and then
put it somewhere where it's not going to be seen.
So that's going to be at least a couple of
people just to get the truck crushed.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
If you start adding up the potential number of people
involved in disposing the vehicle from start to finish, that's
another two to four people minimum, and without any physical evidence,
the only way Vito and the FBI are going to
solve it is for someone to come forward and talk.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
I don't know how many people have direct knowledge, but
these types of crimes are normally hard to keep quiet.
Several folks out there. I got to know directly from
the horse's mouth what happened. And also there are a
lot of people dead in this case that I wish
I could go talk to.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Vido never said who those people were, but I can
think of two names right off the bat, Rob Lafloor,
and Robert Carrey. Lafloor owned the junkyard believed to be
where Richard's truck was crushed, and Robert Carey was the
rumored hitman. Lafloora died of an overdose in twenty twelve.
Carrie took his own life in jail in twenty ten.
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Journalist Steve Volk wrote extensively about Robert Carrey in a
twenty fourteen article in Philadelphia Magazine.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
The police questioned him directly. You know they didn't get
anything from him, is my understanding.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Back in twenty ten, the Philadelphia Daily News had already
named Robert Carey as the alleged hitman and Danielle and
Richard's disappearance.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
I remember hearing about Robert Carey as somebody that would
have been potentially available for hire. They had a reputation
link for potentially being a hit man. It wasn't that
big a deal to him to do this sort of work,
so if somebody asked him for a favor or whatever,
he'd be potentially available.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
If you remember, Robert Carey was accused of beating someone
up so badly that he knocked out the victim's left eye.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
He was the roughest customer in one of the roughest neighborhoods,
if not the roughest neighborhood in Philly.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
The neighborhood steps talking about is Fishtown. Fishtown is a
working class, blue collar part of Philly. The name comes
from its early settlers, who were mainly fishermen that lived
in this tiny neighborhood along the Delaware River. Although it's
gentrified quite a bit since two thousand and five, it's
always maintained a rough around the edge's reputation.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
From my point of view, Fishtown was a rough, violent place.
There's a long history of organized crime operating out of there.
Fishtown had families in it that would end you.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Robert Kerrey actually owned property in Fishtown, and people in
that neighborhood used to look at him almost like the Godfather,
where he was equally respected and feared.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
There's a segment of people who knew him who were
perversely proud of what a fucking tough guy he was.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
And according to Steve sources, Carrie was the hit man
who killed Danielle and Richard in Fishtown.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
That case has closed. It's just taken as a given
that he did it.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
I remember that being like a real hope of investigators
that like, so you're dealing with underworld types who take
some kind of money for higher gig and at some point,
I mean, one of them is going to talk, maybe
even to brag, because guys like that end up in
and out of jail.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
And there were some rewards being offered.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
At one point that reward was one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
One of the most like, sort of unlikely crazy things
about this is that nobody's talked, nobody's bragged, nobody's spoken
about it.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
And here's the thing about Fishtown, there's a sort of
unwritten rule about a code of silence.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
You've got families who've known each other for generations. They
have formed these relationships, and there's a lot of loyalties there,
but like Carrie's dead.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Six months after Robert Carey took his own life in jail,
the police arrested twenty of Kerry's associates. According to the
Pennsylvania Attorney General, many of those arrested were allegedly involved
in Robert Carey's prescription drug operation and lived in Fishtown.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Those people haven't even talked.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It's pretty clear why Vedo said there were times in
this investigation. He wanted to beat his head against the wall.
Robert Carey's been dead nearly fifteen years, and no one
is talking. We learned that Lesson as well. The one
person who would talk to us on the record about
Robert Carey asked her remain anonymous. No one else would
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go on the record. Steve said he even got pushed
back when he was doing research for his article.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
I had asked around about him, and I got some
kind of email like warning me away, like don't ask
around about him.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
This is fucking fish town. We love that guy. He's dead.
We don't speak ill of the fucking dead, So don't
come around here with that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
No matter where you look in this case, there's Joe Embo.
I mean, just look at the facts. In the year
leading up to his estranged wife's disappearance, Joe cheated on
Danielle and left her for that other woman. As their
marriage headed towards a divorce, Danielle started dating Richard Patron.
Joe found out and didn't like it. He wanted to
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reconcile with Danielle, but Danielle wasn't ready to forgive and
forget Joe's Super Bowl affair in two thousand and four,
and that he left Danielle to raise their twenty month
old by herself when he moved to Georgia in two
thousand and five. Joe told the Philadelphia Daily News that
he even called Richard and told him to quote back
off and quote get out of the picture until after
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their divorce. Shortly after the new year in two thousand
and five, Danielle ended things with Richard. Weeks passed, including
the Valentine's Day holiday, and then Richard called Danielle and
asked her to meet up on Saturday, February nineteenth, two
thousand and five. As you know, Danielle ultimately agreed and
they both vanished that night. Law enforcement has never charged Joe.
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They've also never publicly cleared him, and that's what makes
things so frustrating, even for Joe.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
One place where I sympathized with Joe is that he
knows everybody's looking at him the whole time with.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
So little information. Journalist Steve Volk said law enforcement was
forced to examine and re examine what few facts they had.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Whenever you're dealing with a case where you don't know
in the end, so many different pieces of evidence could
be turned over different ways and look either evidence for
or against.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
And depending on how you view them, that's where things
could look either good or bad for Joe. I mean,
just look at the night Danielle and Richard vanished.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
His alibi was framed by the patrons as alarmingly convenient
that he happened to be with his stepdad, police officer
that night.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
That night, Joe was with his relatives too, who happened
to be in law enforcement, and he stayed overnight in
Tom's River, New Jersey. Tom's River is just about an
hour drive from Danielle's condo, So I could see why
you could question Joe's alibi. And let's not forget Joe
admitted to listening to Danielle's voicemails.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
If you are going to put your Joe Imbo had
nothing to do with his hat on and think in
those terms, wow, as he followed by the circumstances surrounding.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
This, Think about that. Imagine you're in the following scenario,
your wife vanished, and you have this mountain of circumstantial
evidence that can be flipped to look either for or
against you. Like Steve said in the last episode.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
God that would be its own circle of.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Hell, and according to Joe, it was when he was
just thirty seven years.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Old heart attack. He connected the heart attack to just the.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Stress, and according to Steve's article, all of it left
Joe quote a bitter, bitter man.
Speaker 7 (14:14):
I don't think he hid from the idea that this
whole thing had taken a toll on him.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
We had questions. We tried to sit with Joe. I
spoke with him twice by phone, but he didn't want
to be interviewed. Ben spoke to him a number of
times and ultimately met with him face to face in
South Carolina in June twenty twenty four. The two had
an off the record conversation at a small coffee shop
outside of Charles Stent. A few minutes after their meeting, Ben.
Speaker 9 (14:43):
Called me Henika. He is very charming, very friendly, but
there's some pain in his face.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Ben said he and Joe talked for around an hour
and that his physical appearance reminded him of Kyle Chandler,
salt and pepper hair, the little bit of facial hair,
but outside of that, he felt like Joe was just
an ordinary fifty two year old guy.
Speaker 10 (15:10):
The feeling is, you know, he is another person who
lost someone in all of this and is still grieving
and still wanting answers like the families.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Do right, Ben said, talking with Joe was just like
talking with most other people we've talked to for this podcast.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
So how do you feel about it.
Speaker 9 (15:30):
I'm struggling with the fact that he won't go on
the record and talk with me.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Do you think he did this? I was responsible for this.
Ben took a deep sigh and took a long pause.
Speaker 11 (15:43):
You know, you're hopeful you're able to read them or
get some sort of tell or indication that, oh, there's
the smoking gun.
Speaker 9 (15:53):
But I'm not coming back to you with that moment, Trey.
Speaker 11 (15:58):
You spend a lot of time I am reading about
someone and about their life and about things that they've done.
I think you can build both expectations and perceptions in
your head. But sitting in front of him, he's just
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an ordinary guy.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Honestly, we weren't expecting to hear from Joe again, But
on a Saturday afternoon in August twenty twenty four, almost
two months after Joe and Ben met for coffee, Ben
got a text message from Joe. I'll let Ben read it.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Ben, this is the only thing I would like to contribute.
If you choose to use it, please use it in
its entirety and not edited portions of it. I would
like to thank you and your team at iHeart for
keeping the disappearance of Danielle and Richard in the news.
Hopefully someone in your listening audience will know something and
come forward. The only thing I am guilty of is
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being a shitty husband and making some poor decisions. I
live with the guilt of knowing I am the one
who put Danielle in the position where she was out
with Richard Patron that night. I've spent the last twenty
years raising our son to become someone I know Danielle
would be proud of. The last phone call I had
with Danielle was the afternoon she disappeared. She asked me
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to go to the circus with her and our son.
Do you think I could wake up every morning and
look at my son if I did anything to his mother.
People who don't know me will have their doubts, and
I can't change that. The only thing that matters to
me is that Danielle's family knows I had nothing to
do with this.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
At the beginning of this series. You heard how Danielle's
brother John got a tip.
Speaker 12 (17:44):
Some psychic called my mother in law and said Danielle
was dying in its box car under the Walt Whitman Bridge.
So here I am scaling this fence at midnight with
a flashlight looking in box.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Course, that unsolicited lead from a psychic never let John
to Danielle, but it did give me an idea. Like
Steve said, we've turned over every scenario of possibilities in
our head. I felt like veto banging my head against
a wall. I just wanted direction. I thought, what is
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there to lose? So I reached out to a medium,
and I must preface this by saying, skeptic inside me
debated whether we should even share this. But if this
idea turned out to be a total waste of time,
I would not be spending one second on what I'm
about to share with you. I got in touch with
Jonathan Mark, who isn't just your ordinary medium. Jonathan has
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been helping law enforcement like the NYPD and FBI for
a few years now.
Speaker 13 (18:47):
I'm their last option, and I'm never there first.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Jonathan's resume includes some high profile cases, including the Long
Island serial killer case.
Speaker 13 (18:56):
And that's when the lead Task Forced agent called me
and he was like, you have fifteen minutes, let me
see what you got. Then from there I got inundated
with so many different law enforcement agencies to do these cases,
like over a thousand cases from all over the world.
People I think know me more from the Gabby Patito case.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Gabby Patito went missing while on a cross country trip
with her boyfriend in twenty twenty one. Her boyfriend later
admitted to killing Potito. Although Jonathan worked with law enforcement
on the case, he said he didn't necessarily solve anything.
Speaker 13 (19:33):
I just helped him go into a certain direction and
they did their amazing law enforcement work and they put
the pieces together.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
He even got tapped in to help with the case
of the four Idaho students who were murdered, but was
admittedly too freaked out by it all, so he turned
it down. Today, his waitlist contains roughly ten thousand names.
You can hear more about that on his podcast called
Connect with Jonathan Mark. Jonathan knew I wanted to meet
about a project was working on, but was given no
(20:02):
other information. To his credit, he invited me and Ben
to his home in New York. I should note this
was two months before the show launched, and I don't
even think he knew where we were from.
Speaker 13 (20:14):
I always tell people it's a blessing and a gift
that I can do this and help people and use
it in different avenues. It occurs because you can't turn
it off. You're talking about death, and not just death.
You're dealing with people's emotions that these don't have answers for.
So it's really difficult and tough.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I didn't know what to expect, but I didn't expect
a warm and friendly, lacrossebrow sporting a backwards hat and
workout clothes, a normal guy from your average Long Island family,
except for his ability to speak to those who have
crossed over. I was nervous. Ben was nervous. Jonathan was nervous.
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He mentioned that he typically reads family members and was
unsure if we could reach anyone other than our loved ones.
But then he jumped right in, so.
Speaker 13 (21:05):
You're cool with like the intensity of stuff, right, Like
that's what okay? So you have two people that are
coming through. Wow, this is kind of nuts. They're showing
my uncle. My uncle's name is Richard, but it's an
our name. They're show me my brother. My brother's name
is Daniel, but the female has a da name. I
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see they both had families. It seems like by families,
I mean like children with different partners.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Jonathan stared at a blind wall that was to the
right of us. He said, he typically does this so
he can focus and not see our reactions. Ben and
I sat in complete silence and let him continue.
Speaker 13 (21:46):
This has to be like a two decade or almost
a two decade case, because what's coming through to me
is there's little to no movement. And by that that
doesn't mean that law enforcement's not doing their thing. There's
just little to no evidence that continue. But what I
am seeing is that there has been some shifts, like recently,
like in the last like six months, there's been some
like shifts. Another thing too, there's a key component to
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their case that's linked to a car that's like gone too,
whether it's a car or a minivan or a truck
or something.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Like I said, I didn't know what to expect, but
I definitely didn't expect Jonathan to be spot on.
Speaker 13 (22:25):
There's shown me the color black in a car. That's
a key component of like an evidence, whether it's the
color black or just like a car. But they're also
showing me too that there's a body of water that
is like a huge key factor.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
In May of twenty twenty four, we reached out to
Jonathan Mark, a medium who has helped the FBI and NYPD,
and he graciously agreed to talk with us. Just a
minute or two into our session, Ben and I were speechless.
Prior to this, Jonathan had never met me or my
colleague Ben. In fact, he didn't know anything about the
case or where we were from. And right off the bat,
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Jonathan had clearly identified Richard and Danielle. And then came
someone else.
Speaker 13 (23:22):
There's like a third person and they're putting music notes
and stuff in. They're just enjoying, like reuniting and things
like that. Who was a musician in their family.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
That was the first moment I got chills. We told
Jonathan about Danielle's father and how he was a doo
wop singer. I didn't really know what to make of
it all, but the idea of Danielle reuniting with her
dad made me happy.
Speaker 13 (23:48):
And then also to someone else, another family member. They
keep pointing at me, My name's Jonathan, but it's John
or something like the jo name they're pointing at me.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I was assuming John Danielle's brother.
Speaker 13 (24:01):
Who is Marge or Margaret, Marge Margaret.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
We told him that Marge is Richard's mother.
Speaker 13 (24:09):
She's pretty ruthless with this, so like, I give her
a lot of credit, and she's a freaking warrior from
what I see. The last time they were seen from
my perspective, is at whether it's a restaurant, a bar,
a concert, or something we're drinking was involved. He's smiling
saying he had a few in his stomach, so he
was happy.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
He is Richard.
Speaker 13 (24:30):
It seems like before they passed they knew of each other,
because what they're showing to me is they feel complete
and whole at this moment together because they're saying it
was a separation to come together. But she keeps saying
there's a jealousy factor with someone like I don't know
what it is, but she keeps saying there's a jealousy
factor that was going on at the introim of their passing.
(24:55):
She keeps reiterating to me, you have to separate to
come together again. That's what you keep saying. There's a
separation to come together.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Again, separation to come together again. It was a phrase
Jonathan mentioned a few times.
Speaker 13 (25:09):
So can I ask you guys, it's like one question.
Did they find nothing? Like not too much, because it's
the guy is smiling. He's like a big goose egg
right now.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Ben shared that there was no physical evidence.
Speaker 13 (25:23):
It seems like the translation of when it happened to
when that both of them went missing was like a
snap of a finger. It's kind of like you wipe
your hands clean and that there's no crumbs of where
you ate anything. And what they're also kind of sharing
with me too with this is that there's a body
of water that is like a huge key factor to this.
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So there's a body of water that's not too far
away and it's like a river or some type of
like stream or like a large body of work. But
it's not an ocean. It's one hundred percent not inn ocean.
It's like you can swim in it, but it's probably
not preferred to swim in it type of thing. Because
what he keeps saying is he's making a joke to me.
He's saying it's like now you see me, and now
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you don't. It seems like they did look at a
body of order, whether it's a river or a lake,
a stream. They're in the wrong spot, like they're searching
in the wrong area, but it's not too far away
from it, if that makes sense. It's kind of like
if you're looking like upstream, but then there's a whole
downstream that emerges into like a lake. Kind of it's
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going to be very difficult to find. From what he's saying,
it's like pretty close to like a state line where
it's twenty thirty minutes that's not far from where this happened.
Do you ever have a hit man or someone that
like a paid killer? I guess is the best way
from what I see with this. When someone puts pen
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and paper in front of me, it typically means an
orchestrated type of passing. There is a suspect that I
think that they have. It's a suspect like in jail
already for something, or did they have like a rap sheet?
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
We weren't sure what to say. The person that came
to my mind was Robert Carrey, but we didn't share
that with Jonathan.
Speaker 13 (27:08):
Like an orchestrated group of people that are not fantastic
citizens of society that come together. That's what I see
because I see it happened, and you can correct me
if I'm wrong. Like outside a bar, whether it's a bar,
restaurant or something, they're making a joke. It's like wrong place,
wrong time type of thing. It's like when you reconnect
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and you're just going to have dinner or drinks or something,
and they're saying that like there's another our name that's
associated with his passing or associated around him. That seems
fairly intense to me, or like know something a little
bit more than anything. Everything that these horrible people did
to them with their plan was executed pretty perfectly because
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they had eyes and ears everywhere. It's like the stars
aligned for these really shitty people. Because it also seems
like there was a a friend or a couple that
was with them or should have been with them, that
didn't come because they were circulating saying like thank god
no one else was like with them at that time.
It's not like what I normally would see. I would say,
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because there's a lot of moving parts with these people.
They had help from outside conglomerates as like a group
to make sure each corner was covered and that the
case was shoved pushed down away for many, many many years.
Shining light on this case is going to be the
best thing because it's going to expose not only the
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person who did it and the group who did it,
but people that were involved in it that should be
held accountable but also shouldn't have positions that they're in
or positions that they were in. My heart breaks for them,
like my heart breaks for them, just because when you're
battling up against very powerful, corrupt people, it's tough. What
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Richard is trying to explain to me is like any
help is good help. And he's saying that anytime someone
gets close, someone's hands gets like chopped, cut, like handcuffed whatever.
He's smiling saying, like f that, like let's go in
all different corners, like let's hit different spots that people
weren't even originally thinking. It's the corruption side that is
(29:19):
like the most important to them. The corruption will lead
to the answer to their passing. It's kind of like
this person has this person's back, who has this person's back.
He's saying, like there's dots that connect, but it always
circles back to like a circle, and it's like everyone's
kind of like protecting their circle is what he keeps saying.
(29:43):
But I think anyone that's like investigating this cases up
against it's like a lot of times people don't want
to turn on their own people, Like that's what I've learned,
Like people don't want to turn on their own people.
And he's saying, like, that's what will have to happen.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
What I find so interesting is that he kept saying corruption,
you tackle the corruption, everything else comes together.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
So for the skeptics out there who are like, you know,
Jonathan did his diligence.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
It's never been reported on. It's something that's been coming
up in our investigation.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
This is not a part of the story that he
would have come across on a Google search about this
case to compile information to share with us.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Right, And we hadn't even talked about everything that you
had been independently researching and investigating until that very morning
on the way to him.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I think I had conducted three interviews leading into our
trip on Friday up to Jonathan that first uncovered this
idea that there was a larger corruption story that could
be tied to Richard and Danielle's story, and.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Just meeting with him validated a direction that we had
already wanted to go in. I think we know where
we need to spend our time. That's next time on
there and Gone South Street. If you have any information
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call the Citizens Crime Commission tip Line at two one
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