March 18, 2025 • 51 mins
If you’re anything like the Packers, Robin Arzón might have gotten you through the pandemic. Currently the VP of Fitness Programming and Head Instructor at Peloton, Robin’s rides are known to be uplifting and healing, which is definitely true for Anya who was saved by those rides in the thick of postpartum depression. Robin turned to running after a traumatic experience in college and has relied on physical strength to maintain her mental health ever since. These days, Robin is more committed to empowering people than ever through her company, Swagger Society, which she describes as “a diverse network for hustlers.” Listen to hear why she thinks everyone should tap into their physical and mental strength and how she leads by example all while caring for two young kids.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey everyone, I'm Madison Packer.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm a recently retired pro hockey vet, a founding member
of the National Women's Hockey League, a pillar in the PHF,
and an inaugural member of the PWHL Sirens.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
And I'm Anypacker, also a former pro hockey player, also
founding member of the National Women's Hockey League. But today
I'm a full Madison Packer.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Stand.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Anya and I met through hockey, then we got married,
and now we're moms.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
To two awesome toddlers, ages two and four.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
And on our new podcast, These Packs Puck, we're opening
up about the chaos of our daily lives, between the
juggle of being athletes, raising children and all the messiness
in between. Hey Maddy, p.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hey Anya, what's up?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Girlfriend?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I got a significant amount of yard work done prior
to hop it on the pod, so proud.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Life is good.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Good.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I'm glad that you're vibing. I'm going to take us
through a vibe. Let's jump into the hockey hot tape.
Do it hockey hot take. This week's hockey hot take
is kind of a hockey hot take, but it's kind
of a women's sports read. In general. I have been
living for the Unrivaled fits, the Unrivaled tunnel, the Unrivaled
(01:12):
thirst traps that are coming out of Miami right now.
What Unrivaled is doing is actually blowing my mind from
a fashion standpoint, from a content standpoint, from like a
showcasing their athletes from the lens that the consumer is
looking at it through. Like, I think it's easy to
fall in the trap of just doing like the cis heteronormative,
(01:35):
like blonde hair, blue eyes, put her on everything. But like,
what Unrivaled is doing is taking the gaze of its
most loyal fans and giving that style content and it
is working on me. I'll tell you that right now.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I think it's no surprise when you think about the
model of Unrivaled and how it came about. It's a
league four athletes and fans built by athletes.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, right, like it.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
We shouldn't be surprised that they're coming out with incredible content.
The athletes are killing it, the fans are lining up,
they know what they want, they know what the fans like.
It seems like they've listened and they're delivering.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
They also have like raised the stakes right like in
the one on one tournament, you can literally earn almost
more than a super salary in the WNBA, So like,
also athletes are getting paid, So like that's super sexy
and like you want to be involved, but I'll take
you down a specific thirst trap. There is a video
of Natasha Cloud in her poppy crop and everyone's like, oh,
(02:31):
it's just a workout video, right, Like the admin knows
what they're doing when they create this absolutely hilarious video.
But also it's like showcasing all the best things about her.
It's funny. It's like the admin's comments are funny, and
it makes that much more sense. She's a defender, she's
a solid player. Like there's all these great things about
Natasha's game that you would just love already. Her personality
(02:52):
is amazing and she's hot as hell, right, Like, so
it makes this really fun content that also just blows
up and becomes viral because it's the gaze of the gays.
It's the gay gaze, right, but it's what we want
to see. It's hilarious and it's perfect, and it's it's
not happening anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, I think it's two things, right. One, it's resources
and they just obviously have more of them. The individual
players have more resources. The teams have more resources, The
league has more resources. I think actually it's resources overall,
but it's team resources and then individual resources. Right, Like,
if we focus on specifically the fashion and the style
(03:34):
and the walkins, et cetera, you don't have to have
the most expensive things, the most expensive clothes, blah blah blah.
But you do have to have maybe a stylist or
someone that's helping you curate your closet or staying up
with you know what's in, what's out.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You know what looks good on you what doesn't.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I mean, resources help you curate that style and put
that closet together. You see all the best dressed athletes,
all these the NWSL players, the national team players, the
WWA players. They are working with people, They have a
curated style, They have the coolest stuff when it comes out,
companies are paying them to wear their clothing. For whatever reason.
Hockey isn't there. Not on the men's side either. I mean,
like you watch these guys walk in. It actually pisses
(04:11):
me off when these guys walk in with a beanie on,
like take your hat off. Even the women too, take
your hat off, like full stop, No hat. You're on television, house,
take your no, but seriously, you're on TV, take your
hat off. Take your You're already wearing a helmet. We
already can't see your face. You can't walk from the
bus to the rink inside without a beanion.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Take your hand.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And then you're upset that you don't get these opportunities
like you want to be.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You want to be an industry leader in fashion. Dress
like it all.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
That's a hell yes, especially the hat comment because you
are fired up, so like, hell yes.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I can't stand it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I can every single professional Instagram right now go through
their men's walk in picks from last night. I bet
you fifty percent of those guys have a banion and
half of them are somewhere warm.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Nobody from the Florida Panthers should have a freaking beanie on.
I'll tipe that right now.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
When we think about professional and what that means, like corporate,
there's something specific comes to mind. And the WNBA, the NWSL,
the NBA, the NFL, these athletes have come to the
table and said, listen, professional is whatever I make it.
And there are times, yeah, when people show up and
you're like that that's what they chose. But for the
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most part, these athletes are being given the opportunity to
showcase their individual personalities right and identify with brands and
align with brands, so it further creates opportunity for them.
It reflects positively on the team, and it allows these
athletes to feel like they have more than just one
avenue for which they're successful.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Right, Yeah, one thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It's only going to help you and your team. Yeah,
And in hockey, for whatever reason, we're just not there
continuing down, right. You take Tip Hays, she played for
the Aces. Tip has started a brand. It's literally her
last name spelled backwards, and she seated her team mates
on the Aces with clothes that she produced. That she
(06:04):
then goes sells right, like, look at the trickle down
of this business woman that is using her platform to
create more and better and then so like that's her brand.
Then you have somebody like Timberland, right, Timberland.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Seeds these athletes boots like anything they want because they
see the value of Djona Carrington wearing an outfit with
a pair of their boots. They're gonna put her on
a national campaign, They're gonna put her everywhere because she's
showing them she has eyes, she has a clear sense
of fashion. She's ready to break every mold right Like
(06:37):
sometimes you see her in a teeny little two piece
pink set, and then sometimes you see her in like
you know, skin tight pants or like a loose pant
or like she's ready to break every gender norm about
her fashion and what she's gonna put on her body.
She rocks up with the dunkin coffee, a Timberland set.
I'm like, let's go the sex appeal that we are
(06:58):
missing by not show casing these athletes as women, their
feminine energy, their creativity. Like I can think about one
athlete in the PWHL that I am excited to see
her walk in fit every day. It's Lexiegia. I look
at what she's doing and I'm not sitting here being
like I wonder how much that cost. I look at
(07:19):
it and be like, she looks fucking insane.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
And what I think is interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And she's talked about this before, like people like rip
on her for it, and I actually think I don't
know because they're jealous. I think it's actually so important,
and so I think that I had a unique style,
more masculine suit wearing.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Like I'd rack up to a game in a three
PCE suit. Loved it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I loved getting dressed for game day. I think it's
important from a visibility standpoint. Right, we're talking about building
something for future generations. We're talking about being role models,
being leaders, being examples. You have so many people walking
in looking the same, which is fine if that's what
you're comfortable with. Yeah, or is it what you think
you have to wear.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
To fit in? Because the reality is we don't have
to do that. We've done that, it's built, it's here.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You've got your opportunity right, express your style, provide opportunity
for other people to express their style.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's so important.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I think that is so topical because you have also
I forgot, but you have Mariah Coppel who has a
line who I've actually bought Birch from Riyah the label.
Her stuff is stunning and she's doing different stuff. She's
collabing now, she just collabed on this suitwar set. Carl Jackson.
They have an insane way of showcasing their stuff. I mean,
Carly Jackson puts out thirst straps of themselves and I'm
(08:35):
sitting here like, I think that's so hot. I'm like, yeah,
have that confidence, but show up.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I do have to give two shout outs because we
only you named two who deserve But also I think
Emma Woods and Natalie Spooner pull up like Mama's got style.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, Mama's got Spooner's got yeah, yeah, listen, And I'm like,
I'm obviously missing some right like, and this is not
like a holistic approach on all six teams, but it's
more like our.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
G downey laundry.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Are we posting that thirst traps?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
So that's my hot take. I think hockey should be
more fun, more fashionable, and more thirst traps.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So this is a call to action to all the
Peter BHL players out there.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
We want to see a step up in the style game.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Well, I need to do a little check in before
we get into our interview, which I'm really excited about.
But before we get there, how you feeling one to
one hundred? What's going on in your world?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I am a ninety seventh. I have a slight pain
in my low back, but really I'm buzzin'.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I've gone to the boxing gym three times in the
last twenty four hours, and I feel amazing about it
and doorphins are real.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, no workout indorphins are so real.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
So real, there's nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Well, I will say I feel good too. I don't know.
I've had two coffees today, which is kind of amazing.
I took Carlin to the doctor no shots, like no shots,
no shots. Doctor appointment is like is like a one
hundred billion dollars in the pot.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Which is such because that always happens when I am like,
can you please take her?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Because every time I take her. Last time I took her,
she to get three shots.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Homegirl is fully.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
And you know what nows is just like the nurse's like,
We're just gonna get it over in one go, all
three at the same time, jams and so hard time
to cry or she realizes what's happening.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
The way that they do shots at the pediatrician is
actually crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
We treat kids at the pediatrician the way you treat
an animal at the vet.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I was gonna say, like cattle, like livestock. Yeah, it's
kind of crazy, but today was great. She aced every
single test, She sang a couple of songs, she jumped
around like nothing was wrong. So that was great. The
only thing bringing me just a tiny click down. She's
newly obsessed with a television show that does make me
want to poke both of my eyes out.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
The only thing bringing me down.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, it's so annoying. It doesn't have any words. It's
like a little kid playing in their room with like
sound effects and like all this annoying stuff. And for
some reason it got on Disney Plus. I'm gonna hang
up this call and call the people at Disney Plus
and let them know it needs to be removed, because
Disney Plus is usually my safe haven. There's nothing on
Disney Plus that I'm not okay with them watching except
(11:11):
this specific show. And if your mom and your kid
watches this show, you know what I'm talking about. And
what it seems to be removed Called Diana.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Oh with the sister and the brother.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, I'm team take that show down.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I don't understand it. Like, but the kids are like captivated.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I would say a lot of those YouTube to television
shows freak me out, And I think that's how this
one started. Why are they so addicting? Why can't the
kids stop watching them? What is going on? Like sometimes
the TV is the third babysitter, Like I get it,
but like it's.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Like an algorithm. It's like cocoml And remember we like
we were like, why is he so obsessed with this?
And then you've looked into it and it was like
because it's like literally like an algorithm. It changes these
specific colors every blank seconds, like you never see the
same image twice. Like it's just captivating to kids who've
never experienced it.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, anyway, that's the only thing bringing me down right now.
But I will say the thing bringing me up and
reminding me how incredible it can all be is our
next guest. We talked to Robin our z Own. She
is literally an amazing soul, just off the rip. Like
everything that she says, she has so much passion behind
what she's talking about. She's changing the world, not only
(12:19):
just at Peloton, but through all the stuff that she's
doing to engage more wellness and just I would say,
like a global attention to oneself.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And shout out Swagger's Society.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yes, Swagger Society. She's just cool. And so that was
a great conversation and I cannot wait to dive in,
so up next a conversation with Robin our Own. Robin,
(12:52):
it is so nice to have you on the podcast. Welcome,
thanks for having me. We are so excited. I'm Anya
and my wife Madame. We haven't met before, so welcome
to our small corner of the world.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I just wanted to before we get super into it,
tell you how much I love your classes, love your message.
You know, kind of was inspired postpartum.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It is.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Actually, while I was pregnant, Madison bought me a bike
right in that COVID era. Like, you know, our babies
are twenty one or twenty twenty and twenty twenty two,
so we were like perfect COVID moms totally. Yeah, it's
like great and awful, but we live in this kinship.
So Maddie bought me a bike because I wanted to
keep training while pregnant. I was a professional athlete and
then I wasn't. I felt so empowered by your classes,
(13:37):
your message. You kicked my ass like so hard so
many times. So thank you a million times over. Oh
and then we have babies.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Well I love hearing from athletes who have experienced pregnancy,
because that's how I approached it. I was like, well,
I didn't just like relinquish my whole identity, like I
still want.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
To be able to flex in the ways that I can.
So I'm glad that that was.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, and it was always one of those things. So
at that time, Maddie was still playing and I was not,
and I was like, I need a sweat, Like Maddie
would come home from practice and be like beefed and
she was just looking great, and I was like, I
feel awful. I look awful. I can't leave this house.
This baby stuck to me like I'm the food. I
look like this, Like what's happening? And so all of
(14:23):
that to say, you brought me through my first experience
with my body changing, which was crazy. You probably never
knew that. And I think that Maddie and always talk
about this with different Peloton folks that we talked to,
like you touched so many lives and you don't realize it.
So I'm excited to jump into all that, jump into
the momming. But there's a real tie that binds the
three of us. It's the advocacy towards mental health. I've
(14:47):
loved that and that was a reason that I kind
of like connected with your content right away. But tell
us how you got there and why that is so
important to you, Oh my.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Gosh, well, movement I was not.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I'm like, maybe I was not an athlete in before adulthood.
So I didn't realize that movement was savation, medicine all
things until pretty late in life. I found it out
of necessity. When I was a senior at NYU. I
had a really traumatic incident and I was held a gunpoint.
(15:20):
It was really intense, and that I did therapy. I
did all the things, you know, I'm like a classic Virgo,
like give me a to do list and I will
do it. And I was like, Okay, you're gonna go
to the you're gonna talk therapy, and you're gonna, you know,
do group therapy, and you're gonna do all these things.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
And I was like, got it. Check out off the list,
check it off the list.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
And then a few years into that trauma recovery, I
was like, oh, I still feel like I have an
elephant sitting on my chest, So what do I do
about that part?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
And I just was called to move.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
I had like a dusty pair of sneakers in my
closet probably kids, definitely not running shoes.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
And I was in law school at the.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Time, and I just started moving walk runs, sign up
for a ten k that turned into a lot of
endurance run and ultra marathons, and then you know, Peloton
came into the picture. And obviously my life completely changed
after that, and you know, steeped in wellness and movement
and then educating myself around these concepts and then becoming.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
A leader in the space. But it was truly out
of a personal need to be a little kinder in
between my ears.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
When it's so funny, you say that, because I'm so
I retired about two months ago, so I'm kind of
going through. Like I just said to Annie the other day,
I didn't really take a break from working out when
I retired, like we were ramping up to start in season.
I retired after training camp and then I, like a
lot of athletes will take a big break, and I
kind of didn't really know what to do. And then
but I just started going to the gym because I
needed a routine in the morning. And I came home
(16:43):
and I said to her, I am so much happier,
just like where I start my day when I go
to the gym and I'm not training specifically for anything now,
So like today, I wait and I did I saw
something online that was like a twelve incline for at
a four speed for like however long, Like that's what
I did this morning, like a walk. Yeah, but it's
like it's just moving and it feels so good and
(17:04):
that that's like it's such a big, huge thing that
we talk about, like kids getting outside for sixty minutes
a day, and I think as athletes we forget that,
Like while it's our job, right, like your job now
is movement, but there's so much more to that and
like finding space also outside of that job, to find
ways to move and to find happiness in what you're
(17:25):
doing outdoors or inside like whatever, right, just finding a
way to be active, And I think that's hugely important.
So obviously it just touched on like you work for Peloton,
so you still fitness is your main job, but do
you find that you have to try and like branch
from that and like I'm working now, this is what
those workouts look like for work. Do on top of that,
do you try to find ways to like for your
(17:45):
mental health as a release to do other things.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I don't know if I've ever taught a Peloton class
without doing my own workout beforehand.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Oh really literally, probably not even once, maybe.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
A safe space, right, because.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
I have to get my energy right before I do that, right,
because obviously I'm physically going through I'm doing the workout
with folks, but it's not my workout, so I have
to get my frame of mind right, my energy right,
and anything that I say in class, I've probably said
to myself like an hour before, so it also gives
me a good frame of reference for like what the
(18:21):
member is going through. But I, yeah, I follow my
own training program and then that enables me to do
what I do on the bike, on the tread in
the strength studio.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I'm obsessed with that. Yeah, I genuinely always feel like
there are times where I can work out because like
in a team sport, right, which is how we know
working out, there's like the hype girl, and then there's
like the like all star, and typically those people aren't
always the same. So like Maddi's always been the All
Star and I've always been the hype girl. And then
there are times where I'm like, I just want to
put my headphones on and I don't want to cheer
(18:53):
for somebody's set. I want to do my own thing,
and like This is in my mind, the like two
sides of yourself clashing, cause like there are times where
you probably just want to like put your headphones on
and not be ramping people up to like reach their potential.
But that's you don't have the ability to do that.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah. I go to like a.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Private training facility in New York and it's classic lifting
met cons. It's not CrossFit, but there are because it's
not really Olympic lifting, but it's just like the main lifts.
And I've been going three four days, three to five
days a week, depending on the week, for like seven years,
and that has just been my safe space.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Like I go, it's focused.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
It's like I'm just hands on chalk, hands on bars,
hands on metal, and we just go.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
It's called Ford and it's really helped me.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
It's just my ground, my ground floor, my baseline, and
I'm able to build everything both physically and mentally on
top of that.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
And the runs, my solo runs are still really important.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I wish I could be a runner like I tried,
and I'm like exclusively run when chased period.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I did an iron Man.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I did an iron Man after college, and it's just
well that's okay.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
When she says that, and it's like I should I
man it ruined me.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I was like, I was, so I love biking, biking
and swimming all day every day, but running I just
like I did the Iron Man and I can't ever
again if I've run more than a mile and a half.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I'm like, my feet are ruined.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And I wish I could because it's such a good
workout and people talk about the runners high like I
think I would really enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
It's just is so painful.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
I mean, I think obviously pace and distance inform that
I went through a period after doing a slew of
ultras back to back that I just, you almost like
start to resent the running training. And then I was like,
oh shoot, I don't want to not love this anymore.
So I just pulled back completely from marathons. And that
was like before I had my daughter, my first child,
(20:43):
and then I did one when she was about nine
months old, and I haven't done one since because that
New York City marathon was so great and I'm like,
I'm happy to have that as a little caps you know,
Tom capsule in my mind. And then you know, pursuing
other physical activities is fine, but it's like it doesn't
just because it's right for one season doesn't mean it's
right for all seasons.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah. Fair.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I also wore brand new running shoes. I won them,
I'd won them once before. I knew nothing about any
of it. That's a mistake.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
These are rookie mistakes right now. What era are you in?
Are you more like biking robin? Are you more running robin? Like?
Where's your heart? If you had to pick them.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Fully hybrid athlete, it's I have a bunch of high
rocks competitions coming up, so I'm like heavy sled, heavy
rope fast one case, so it's middle distance. It's fast
middle distance which I've never done before, and getting strong
as hell, getting super freaking strong.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
So that's that's the era that I'm in.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I'd like eat steel is a great mental era to
be in. It's a fun place too, Like I think
the the inaccessibility for women and knowing that they can
go to the gym and just eat steel and feeling
like it's going to turn your body into something that
you don't want it to be. It's such a barrier.
So when you kind of go through through that thought process, right,
Like you're in this new mindset of like let's you know,
(22:03):
have protein powder, be a beast and go to the gym,
which I love. I think we should all be there.
How do you see that discrepancy with women as a
trainer for women in the way that we shape you know,
fitness for women and kind of like talk about it
because as a GMA contributor you do that all the time.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
I mean, I think it's changing right now, Like literally,
I think the paradigm is shifting as we have this conversation,
which is great and and to be honest, I'm just
happy that we're having the conversation. Whether it's because of
GLP ones or where it's I don't really care causality.
I care that we are going to have We're going
to debunk the bulking myth that we're going to get
people putting picking up weights heavier than their laundry detergent.
(22:44):
Like that's what I care about, right, Yeah, And I'm
excited about that. You know, as someone who loves I
love biking, I love running. Clearly, I am a cardio person.
I'm able to see the effectiveness of those cardio modalities
because the ground floor or for me is strength, like
heavy strength, three to four days a week. And that's
(23:05):
what I really want folks to feel confident about. And
I'd say, like, take your Pelton app, take me in
your pocket, go into the weight room. And I understand
that not everybody's gonna be like doing a one RM bench,
you know, like that's not necessarily for everyone, but I
think that there's a gray area where we can all
kind of meet in that resistance world.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I love the accessibility of the Peloton app has given
people in that specific way, as athletes often will navigate
the gym differently than anybody else. I can see a
smith machine, I could see a regular rack, I could
see free weights, I could see kettles, Like I know
what I'm looking at. I know what to do, what
not to do, like to a degree.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Like listen, no one's tho, no one's famous over here
for that, but but it's a it's the app became
a very accessible way to go, but no, And I
think that that is a humongous turning point for where
Peloton became such a household item for all things training.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Did you kind of like feel a shift in that
switch into app into app content into like user driven workouts. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
I mean it's it's interesting when we look at user behavior, right,
because we see what folks are asking for, we see
what they're taking, and people started really asking for strength
content and it's it's showing up in the workouts. It's
strength is actually our second most popular modality behind is
it behind the bike?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yep? That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah, yeah, it's amazing and I love that. That's so encouraging.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
And of course that includes you know, pilates and bar
and there's all kinds of ways to kind of approach strength.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
But of course as part of that is also picking
up weight that.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Wasn't incorporated during COVID, Right, that's a newer feature for Peloton.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
We've been doing strength classes since we had our tread
studio in the West Village, So that was pre COVID day.
That was when we had a cycling studio on twenty
third Street in New York City and a tread studio
in the West Village. So we've had boot camps and
strength classes went since we've launched the tread. But then
kind of around COVID and thereafter is when we started
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hiring dedicated strength instructors and that's when some of our instructors,
like myself, are kind of teaching on multiple modalities. Okay,
so we fleshed it out like pandemic on.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, you became an instructor at Peloton way before the
platform blew up during COVID, and like then you see,
we all saw what happened during COVID. I think a
part of it was obviously people are stuck in their
homes and then they have you know, they've become a
part of a community because it's kind of the only
community you can be a part of. Like what was
it like to be a part of Peloton during that
giant shift and like the swing?
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Well, what was interesting, right because it was you're like
holding space for multiple versions of yourself and and I
think we all did that in the pandemic, right, it
was like the Zoom version the family, like they were
like we were like living in this both and very
straight time. So it was both amazing and profound. We
able to hold space for millions of people who were like,
(26:06):
you were.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Saving me right now.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
And then we also had to you know, be a
little delicate and how we were addressing stuff and how
we were saying things or not in class.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Or outside of class on social media.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
But ultimately I'm just glad that we were able to
meet people where they are. And so many folks have
Peloton in their lives now because of it. And now
it's a hybrid approach, right, folks are going back to
the gym, they're wanting to go on their runs, they're
wanting to be in community with each other, and that
is fantastic. Like, you know, Peloton is going to be
around for a long time, and we were to meet
people where they're moving and how they're moving.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, I mean that was that shift from fame in
its you know, kind of like bucket of users fame.
You know, you've always been a pro athlete that we
won't take away from that at any point. But then
like viral fame, like crazy fame, like you're in People
magazine fame, And so that switch in watching a group
(27:02):
of trainers that are you know, I just told you
a story about how you are in my you know
room training me. You know, there's a certain level of
like connection, but lack of connection. Right, Like if I
went to an actual class where I'm physically in the room,
I have the people around me, but I can meet
that instructor. I can talk to that instructor, I can
feel connected to that instructor. But you're doing that on
(27:24):
like the hundreds thousands million scale. You know, what does
that do for your perception of who you are? Like,
how do you feel like you when that's happening? Oh
my god, that's that's a crazy thing.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
I mean real talk, Like, your personal circle gets a
lot smaller, right, I think the folks.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Who we observe as leaders in public spaces.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
That is a common conversation that I've had with folks
that have had the honor of meeting and whether it's
in media or Hollywood or business or sports, of course,
I think the circle gets smaller and you have to
tighten up in your own basics, like your own process,
which is why I'm so diligent and discipline about my
own workouts, my own sleep, my mental health, my boundaries
(28:06):
you know, with my family, my boundaries around my time.
Like when I say yes, it's with my full chest.
But if I say no, I'm not giving you a reason.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
And it's just no.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I love that you said that a year ago, and
I'm like, I literally wrote that, like a my side life.
I'm a sales leader, and I wrote, sometimes it knows
better than a yes if I ask you to do
something and the answer is no, that you can't, you
won't you have time for it, You're not mentally ready
for whatever it is. Does this know come from? I've
got to ask, like the legal world where I feel
(28:36):
like some of my lawyer friends have never had dinner
with their family ever. They're like, yeah, I have a baby,
I'd never see her. It's crazy, gosh, but it's the life,
isn't it.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah. I mean I think I don't know. I'm not
as close to that world now, but back then it
certainly was. Yeah, practice is a corporate litigator for eight years.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
I certainly understand clear communication and putting my own understanding
the pros, cons and narrative that I want to put
out in the world. Like I think lawyers are very
good list makers and very good communicators in a lot
of ways self interested communicators. You know, that's kind of
(29:14):
what we're paid for, so do that on behalf of
our clients. So I definitely learned that. And I also
discovered that like the story we tell ourselves around the
know is usually much more intense and inflammatory than what
the other person is receiving, especially when you inform it
(29:35):
with context, and you know, when you think about in
the sales space and with deliverables in a business contest,
It's like, let's begin with the end in mind, like
where we all trying to go. Now, let's figure out
how we're gonna get there, you know, like it doesn't
necessarily have to be this one path.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
And that was really freeing to me.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
It's like, yes, people care, but also nobody cares, you know,
like we'll be gonna be okay.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So in that we all say no a lot as moms, obviously,
So let's transition to the fun part of the conversation. Yeah,
tell us a little bit about your decision to become
a mom, and obviously, like your body is a huge
part of your job and how you make a living.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
So did you know was there any hesitation about that
at all?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Or just tell us a little bit about that decision
to start your journey as a mom.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Oh gosh, I thought, I mean, yeah, I wanted to
be a mom my whole life. I mean I was like,
I'll do it. I'll do it without a partner, I'll
do it solo. And then I met my husband in
my thirties. I froze my eggs, we froze embryos because
I didn't know there was no there was no like, oh,
I just happened to not be working out two hours.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
A day in May, like no.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
So that was quite the conundrum that as you you know,
acknowledged that happens for athletes. And then the pandemic happens
and I was just sitting on the couch with my husband.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
I was like, yeah, let's do this. You're like, it's
let's do it.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
And so then you know, Athena was born, and I
knew I wanted them to be reasonably close in age,
so they're like two and a half years apart, and
that felt right for us.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
And in COVID, the first pregnant instructor.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
At Peloton, you know, I just felt like like chopping down,
you know, walking through the jungle with a machete, like
I don't know what's ahead, and any pregnancy is like that, right,
Like I mean you literally, you know you could two
kids are different, pregnancies are different, our bodies are different.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
And that very much felt like Gosh the wild West.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
It absolutely did. So we so similarly, but we got
pregnant right before COVID, like we got we found out
we were pregnant, and then everyone was like, no, don't
leave your home. We were like, oh, okay, great, Like
that's it was like, honestly, I think it was like
a week. It was crazy. And so that journey for
you when you go through it, right, like, what are
some like war stories that kind of remind you of that?
(31:51):
Or you're like, you know, I'm on the bike for
six hours, but pregnant, Like is someone telling me what
to do here? Or how am I navigating this?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Oh my gosh, Well, well, you know, before I got
pregnant night, I got my you know, I got certifications
and like prem post natal, So obviously I want to
keep everything safe, but I also trust myself, and I
didn't see enough out there that was speaking to pregnant athletes.
And obviously pregnancy super individualized, medical care super individualized. But
(32:21):
you know, if it's not, if you don't have complications
and thankfully things are going okay, you.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Can still do a lot. And I just thought my entire.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Perspective during pregnancy was I'm going to focus on what
I can do rather than what I can rather than
what I can't. You know, It's a classic like growth mindset.
Like I'm like, if growth minds I can apply to business, baby, it's.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Gonna apply to the pregnancy.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
And it saved my life. And I didn't have a
ton of I have like a great village.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Of birthing folks who were around me, But they're not
with a light and millions of teaching in front of
millions of people and needing to get dressed for a
body ride and your pants don't even fit, you know,
like you don't like it was they're not.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Wearing the crop chop block with the baby belly, Okay, you.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Know, the pressure was kind of real, and then there's naysayers,
Oh you should should you be lifting that?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
So you be da da da.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
It's like, so there's noise, and I think there's noise
for all pregnant people, but there definitely is for folks
who are doing it in the public eye. And you
know now a number of folks women have have had
babies at Peloton. I been pregnant on the platform and
have taught, and I think it is such a strong
example of what we can do rather than what we can't.
(33:36):
Going through that experience, I had a lot of support,
had it so privileged to have so much support, but yeah,
it was definitely a mental battle some days, and not
even just like the body image stuff, but it's also
I would program a workout like on a Thursday, and
then I'm teaching it in two weeks. I'd be like, oh,
I don't actually can I do that? And I do
(33:56):
that in two weeks You're like, what's let's see, I
don't know. And so that was really I felt like
a like a one woman's science experiment.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yeah, I mean, and like, you don't recognize you being
a general term me as well, we don't recognize how
many places in the world women really do just like
shut down and not have never seen an image of
someone that's doing something different. So when we talk about
you exposing your life, your reality to millions of women,
we don't always wrap our mind around that. So like
(34:28):
non I always say, it's men. But we were running
on the track. Maddie was still training. This is a
story about a band, but we were running on a track.
Mattie was training and she was doing splits, so she
was like, you know, running the straights, walking the curves
of a track, and she's going all out. She's training
for season, and I'm like, I'll join you. It's Connecticut,
(34:48):
it's the summer. It's probably ninety degrees and I'm like,
I'm gonna walk. So I'm doing my little like big
bump and walk. And then I started to jog because
I can do that. Like I can again, I know myself.
And a man, an older man, stopped my wife and said,
someone needs to get her off that track.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
She was thirty six weeks pregnant.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I was trying to brout that baby out first of all,
and it was ninety four degrees.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yea, so it was one o four on the track.
But you were fine, you had your water. Was like, yeah,
you were taking breaks.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
It was I know me.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I was like, I was like, you should tell her that.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, I'm mad. He was like, go go tell her that.
That's for you.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah. I was like, you should tell her that because
I'm definitely not.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
But the but the assumptions are wild. Anyway, you have
your partner and you have your babies.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
A big piece of most stories in pregnancy and it
becomes like, hopefully now more liberating for women to talk
about versus others other times. But a huge part of
my journey was postpartum depression like huge, and so we
talk about like all these funny things that happen while pregnant.
There then becomes this like immediate halt to the system. Right,
(36:11):
We've gone through a massive trauma. The body is in
trauma recovery mode. The baby needs you one hundred percent
of the time. Even while sleeping, my mind was like,
something's going on. I need to be there. I mean, like,
I went through this whole journey. So did that affect you?
Did it change the way that you started kind of
like teaching two pregnant women. Did it change the way
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that you started appreciating your own contributions?
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Oh my gosh, Well, postpartum was one of the most
like humbling experiences of my life. I didn't I obviously
knew like there was a recovery and like I obviously
intellectually understood that I felt.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
So out of my body.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
I didn't realize what truly deconditioned ground zero like.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
And it gives me so much empathy.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
Like I was like, okay, girl, you just your beginner
again and you have to just be okay with that.
And my mantra postpartum was slowing down as a strength
because I had to frame it in some kind of
strength thing, and I was like, okay, well I don't
have the intensity right now, so where am I going
to get? Like where do I get where? How am
I going to put myself up?
Speaker 4 (37:23):
And then sewing down became a strength and.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
That was the breath work. It was, you know, the
body weight movement. It was just being happy when I
could like lift the baby up and not feel like,
you know, my insides were going to fall out, you know.
So it was it was super humbling, and I don't
think I could have been more prepared because there's just
you physically in your body. It is just this foreign thing,
especially for an athlete, especially who is something you know,
(37:48):
You're like I worked out the day I gave birth
or the week I gave Like that is a rightfully
a point of pride, but that doesn't actually inform nothing
after that after Yeah, yeah, the postpartum period is intense.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah. Well, we went through this period of time where
I had major postpartum depression. Madison was my rock through
all of it. She was also in the peak of
season right like she's in the peak of season. Athletes
have to intrinsically be selfish like, let's call it what
it is. If you are an athlete, you have to
be selfish and that's not a negative thing. Selfish with
your time, selfish with your recovery, selfish with your body,
(38:26):
selfish with what you're putting in your body. Like yeah,
and it's a humongously important trait to being an athlete
full stop. As a mother, the job is basically the
most unselfish job of all things. So watching female athletes
go through it always puts the mind at like a
complete conundrum because you have to be the most selfish
(38:48):
version of yourself to succeed as an athlete, and the
most unselfish version of yourself. Because when our kids were
you know, fever, throwing up snotty nose, Madison wasn't like
I've practed tomorrow too bad, stay in your room, right,
So it's like then the baby start to grow. You
have two now, so nobody sleeps. How do you divide that?
(39:11):
You know, we'll call it invisible labor. Eve Rodsky shout
out that that is such an important part of the role,
and you and your husband no small jobs. What does
that co parenting structure look like? What does that split
invisible labor feel like, how'd you get there? It's not easy.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Oh my gosh, it's really not. And I'm so glad
that I have like language around it. You know, Eve's
books are so great.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
But you know, my.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Husband does a lot of it, Like there are a
lot of days he's the default parent. He's the one
the school calls. He's kind of home manager, of our
support team. You know of our nanny, you know of
the person and grants it like all these all these
things that we have our resources and our privileged to
have it, but we delegate where we can, and we'll
(39:57):
have our our meeting, our partnership meeting, and and he's
kind of the person who's delegating and managing that day
to day. And I don't have a traditional schedule, so
I'm also able to like be around in the mornings
and the evenings and when the kids are like midday
so and so is he. So that provides us a
little bit more freedom. But it's tons of communication, and
(40:17):
it really is running our home like we run a business.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
My husband and I also work together.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
He works as my manager and then he also does
like his own business endeavors as an entrepreneur. So there's
a lot of moving pieces, but as long as like
everything's in the calendar, everything has a conversation, everything has
like a task lisk and an email follow up, and
you know, we have our little systems, but he really
does a lot of that because when I'm filming, when
(40:43):
I'm on set, I'm there, like I can only be
like five percent Athena and Atlas's mom. When I'm on
there's no delegating. When I am literally the hired talent
on a production.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
So I have to assume that a lot of that
falls on your husband because of little plug here. We
want to talk about Spiger Society right like you have it,
are already not busy enough, and then tell us a
little bit about that and what inspired you to do that,
what it is and why it's important.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
So Swagger Society is a lifestyle membership club that I
co founded with my husband.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
He's the CEO of Swagger Society.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
We're now so initially it was like post pandemic, wanting
to go deeper with my most engaged followers, and so
the lifestyle membership club is basically an expansion of what
the mental toughness and the tips tricks and growth mindset
stuff that I initially infused in my masterclass.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
And now we're going.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
Deeper, so we'll have like quarterly we call them Queendom
halls where we basically like host workshops for the Swager
Society members.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
And now we're really looking at Spag Society as a
media company.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
We wanted to think like, okay, so we know how
to go deeper, and we know how to do in
real life events, and we've sold events out that are
very much like you know, these kind of like a
two to three hundred person conference where you're essentially listening
to speaker after speaker and feeling jazz like ready to
own and level up your life. So we've done in
real life events, we've done the smaller breakout workshops, you know, virtually,
(42:14):
and now we're looking, you know, in the media space
and looking at like, what how do we host and
engage conversations with that growth mindset, with the idea of
this Swager Society. If it's a golden rolled decks of
hustlers as we affectionately call it, how do we host
those conversations now that scale that are still meaningful. And
so we're looking at what that might look like in
(42:36):
the unscripted space, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
So where can people like follow join plot?
Speaker 5 (42:41):
Yeah, So Swagger Society is on ig I'm robin nyc
Rabin Edison on Instagram and we're always sharing how folks
can engage with us. And so we'll be having two
in real life events, one I think in Miami in
May and one for sure in New.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
York probably in the fall, but we'll disclose that.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
So we'll have two in real life events in twenty
twenty five and then you know, the media stuff, the
podcast stuff will be forthcoming.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
But it's so cool because like even us with this
like content is queen right, and it's just such an
important piece of how we all connect today, you know.
And so like there's Smager Society, there's Peloton, there's all
these different versions of you, And is that the place
that they all kind of like turn into the truest
form of you? Is that where you can be yourself?
(43:25):
Is that where you show people like, you know, you're real?
Speaker 4 (43:29):
Yeah, I think that that's also. Yeah, thank you for
mentioning that.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
So the Swager Society newsletter, I should mention that you
can also sign up for the Swagger Society newsletter, which
I write every week. It comes out every single week,
and that is kind of.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Swagger.
Speaker 5 (43:43):
Society really is where like growth, mindset and lifestyle and
parents hang and like where all the things come into play, right,
And so there's obviously wellness stuff and the fun gift
guys and that content type of stuff, but it's also
like where I I like, it's like grand central station
for all the things that I'm thinking and talking about
(44:06):
in one place that is like intelligible and digestible.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
It's the inside of your heart. I always say this.
I'm like, I'm like, we got to find like where
to put that because it's not on social Sometimes it's
not Instagram, right, yeah, I hear you it. It can't
be it I wanted to be. Maybe it could have
been TikTok. Now, who knows what's going on there, But
like all that to say, there has to be a place.
And I love so much when female athletes build it
themselves because we can do it better than anybody else.
(44:32):
But a real inside of your heart moment where you
can share what's real to you and then have other
people connect to that and learn because you are so
inspiring you do do so many great things. We ask
a question to everybody kind of on wrap up pack.
Do you want to take question today?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I could take the question so kind of putting you
on the spot, But what is some advice that you
would have liked to receive or you did receive through
your parent had journey that you want to share with
someone else?
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (45:04):
So when I was pregnant with Athena, I'm friendly with
Eva Longoria and I asked, Eva, what do you wish
you know you somebody told you when you were pregnant
with Santi and she was like, I wish they would
have told me less. And that was a moment for
me because you know, it's like there's so much research
(45:25):
in so many podcasts and so many books and so
many blogs and so many comments and so much stuff,
and like we have this abundance of research, and you
know it's like I love doctor Becky, I love all this,
but I'm just like, when am I going to be
gently parents?
Speaker 3 (45:40):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Like where do I put that?
Speaker 5 (45:42):
And sometimes it's dialing down, it's listening less to all
that and remembering like I've made it all these decades.
I can trust myself and when I don't know the information.
I will ask, I will research, but sometimes we can
go down this rabbit hole of and it's so intimidate
because it's like, oh wait, I've never raised a four
year old before, I must not know anything.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
And it's like, well, actually we have intuition, like we
can figure it out.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
So that I always think of even telling me like
I wish they told me less because it's it's just
such an acknowledgment of the noise. So I think that
that is one to remind folks that you've made it
this far through one hundred percent of the nonsense, like
you will figure it out.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
It's all figure outable.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah, I mean, this is my my big gripe, not
my gripe, but like my mom and I go into
it and she's like google it. I'm like, you didn't
google it, you didn't have Google.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Don't tell me.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
I'm like, what's it was ungoogleable at the time in
which you did it? Or she'll say that, she'll she'll
hit me back with, Mom, I was reading this thing
and I think I'm doing this wrong in that or
whatever you know you have like your person that you've
ent to mine is my mom and I give her
a year full of all these things and she goes.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I didn't even get an ultra sound when I was
pregnant with you. I thought you were going to be
a boy. I had a whole different name picked out.
She's like, who cares? Right, Like, who cares that much?
And it's so funny that that you say that. And
it's so topical because there's all these things that we
find pillars and foundations as we do this podcast, as
we talk to people, you know, bursing people, non bursing people,
as we kind of like go through this whole what
(47:10):
does parenting look like? We interviewed one of our teammates
who was like an epic auntie, not even a parent.
Like everyone has these different bits of advice mm hm,
and they all kind of categorize, right. Sometimes it's like
leave me alone. I don't want to hear your opinion.
I just want to think for myself. And when I
mess it up, this is Maddie's like probably dying inside
because this is how I operate in my real life.
(47:31):
I'm like, when I mess it up, I'll come to you,
but let me just do it on my own. And
when I go horribly wrong, I'll call you in to
fix it. So I love that advice. Thank you so
much for joining us.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Ask for help and to ask for the help that
you need.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
I learned that actually on the Ultra marathon race course,
because you know, my family, like they're so generous of spirit.
They would show up at these races and it's like,
what do you mean you don't know that I want
a banana a mile thirty five?
Speaker 3 (47:58):
You know, It's like, obviously they don't know.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
That, right, And I really tried to approach like parenthood
and resources and help that same way.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
It's like they don't, they don't know, they don't. You
have to communicate it.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
They're not reading your mind, I'll tell you that. And
I think that's that's very true and also very indicative
of another personal problem that I have. It's it's hard,
though to ask for help very I now try to
ask freely for what I need because then maybe I'll
get it.
Speaker 5 (48:30):
Mm hmm, yeah, maybe you'll get it, and then it's
revelatory you know of something else. And I also think athletes,
especially moms, like we can just suffer, like we can
just take it, and it's like.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Well, aren't I also deserving of like softness and love
and stuff.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
You know, it's such a twist and it's really a
lot to unpack, but we're in a city.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
We're actually trying this whole We're taking a left turn
on this podcast. It's going to mean something else now,
but yeah, like I like that to that point, Like
we can train ourselves to literally throw up. I can
get myself to a point where I'm training so hard
that I elicit like an illness, and then I'd be like,
that was a hard workout, that was unreal, Like I'll
be excited about it.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Yeah, that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
Oh my god, killed it. It's crazy, But we do
it to ourselves, don't we really? Truly?
Speaker 5 (49:19):
And I and the both and idea has really helped
me because it's like I can still be excited about that.
I can still be that person who's gonna go all
out in a training session or in an experience, but
also we deserve the love we give to others. I
can also be that badass person and deserve softness and
be vulnerable and say like I don't want to suffer
(49:40):
through this, and that nuance is only that's a recent.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
Recent Robin chapter.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Let's just say that.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
I love that chapter. This chat has been awesome. Thank
you so much. We appreciate it. I didn't admit to
it in the beginning, but I too took some of
your classes during.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
I was like, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
I bought her the bike. I was like, I'm not
doing that. I'm just gonna ride on no sound. And
Annie came home one day and I was taking one
of your classes. No.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
It was actually crazy. She would crank it up and
ride with no screen, like, just ride it. I'm like,
you could just turn a class on. She's like, no,
I'm I'm good, like not above it, but like I'm
just I'm good. I don't need it. And then like
one day I hear and she's like singing to like
nineties raw. I'm like, babe, yea kill I was, I.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Will own it.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
It was awesome. That's great.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Yeah, we have some crazy Peloton stories, but we'll save
those for another day. It was amazing to have you on.
It's amazing to talk to you, it's amazing to hear
your perspective. Thank you for everything you're doing. We're so
excited to watch out things unfold with the Swager's Society.
You've got two newsletters subscribers here, so we're excited to
have you and thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 4 (50:50):
Thank you all for having me. This is so fun.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
And that's all we have today. Thank you for listening.
I'm Anya Packer and I'm Madison Packer and this is
These Pax Puck. These Pax Puck is a production of
iHeart Women's Sports in Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
It's hosted by us Madison and Anya Packer. Emily Meronoff
is our awesome senior producer and story editor. We were
mixed and mastered by Mary Doo. Our executive producers are
Jennifer Bassett, Jesse Katz, and Ali Perry.
Hey everyone, I'm Madison Packer.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm a recently retired pro hockey vet, a founding member
of the National Women's Hockey League, a pillar in the PHF,
and an inaugural member of the PWHL Sirens.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
And I'm Anypacker, also a former pro hockey player, also
founding member of the National Women's Hockey League. But today
I'm a full Madison Packer.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Stand.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Anya and I met through hockey, then we got married,
and now we're moms.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
To two awesome toddlers, ages two and four.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
And on our new podcast, These Packs Puck, we're opening
up about the chaos of our daily lives, between the
juggle of being athletes, raising children and all the messiness
in between. Hey Maddy, p.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hey Anya, what's up?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Girlfriend?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I got a significant amount of yard work done prior
to hop it on the pod, so proud.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Life is good.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Good.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I'm glad that you're vibing. I'm going to take us
through a vibe. Let's jump into the hockey hot tape.
Do it hockey hot take. This week's hockey hot take
is kind of a hockey hot take, but it's kind
of a women's sports read. In general. I have been
living for the Unrivaled fits, the Unrivaled tunnel, the Unrivaled
(01:12):
thirst traps that are coming out of Miami right now.
What Unrivaled is doing is actually blowing my mind from
a fashion standpoint, from a content standpoint, from like a
showcasing their athletes from the lens that the consumer is
looking at it through. Like, I think it's easy to
fall in the trap of just doing like the cis heteronormative,
(01:35):
like blonde hair, blue eyes, put her on everything. But like,
what Unrivaled is doing is taking the gaze of its
most loyal fans and giving that style content and it
is working on me. I'll tell you that right now.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I think it's no surprise when you think about the
model of Unrivaled and how it came about. It's a
league four athletes and fans built by athletes.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, right, like it.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
We shouldn't be surprised that they're coming out with incredible content.
The athletes are killing it, the fans are lining up,
they know what they want, they know what the fans like.
It seems like they've listened and they're delivering.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
They also have like raised the stakes right like in
the one on one tournament, you can literally earn almost
more than a super salary in the WNBA, So like,
also athletes are getting paid, So like that's super sexy
and like you want to be involved, but I'll take
you down a specific thirst trap. There is a video
of Natasha Cloud in her poppy crop and everyone's like, oh,
(02:31):
it's just a workout video, right, Like the admin knows
what they're doing when they create this absolutely hilarious video.
But also it's like showcasing all the best things about her.
It's funny. It's like the admin's comments are funny, and
it makes that much more sense. She's a defender, she's
a solid player. Like there's all these great things about
Natasha's game that you would just love already. Her personality
(02:52):
is amazing and she's hot as hell, right, Like, so
it makes this really fun content that also just blows
up and becomes viral because it's the gaze of the gays.
It's the gay gaze, right, but it's what we want
to see. It's hilarious and it's perfect, and it's it's
not happening anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, I think it's two things, right. One, it's resources
and they just obviously have more of them. The individual
players have more resources. The teams have more resources, The
league has more resources. I think actually it's resources overall,
but it's team resources and then individual resources. Right, Like,
if we focus on specifically the fashion and the style
(03:34):
and the walkins, et cetera, you don't have to have
the most expensive things, the most expensive clothes, blah blah blah.
But you do have to have maybe a stylist or
someone that's helping you curate your closet or staying up
with you know what's in, what's out.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You know what looks good on you what doesn't.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I mean, resources help you curate that style and put
that closet together. You see all the best dressed athletes,
all these the NWSL players, the national team players, the
WWA players. They are working with people, They have a
curated style, They have the coolest stuff when it comes out,
companies are paying them to wear their clothing. For whatever reason.
Hockey isn't there. Not on the men's side either. I mean,
like you watch these guys walk in. It actually pisses
(04:11):
me off when these guys walk in with a beanie on,
like take your hat off. Even the women too, take
your hat off, like full stop, No hat. You're on television, house,
take your no, but seriously, you're on TV, take your
hat off. Take your You're already wearing a helmet. We
already can't see your face. You can't walk from the
bus to the rink inside without a beanion.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Take your hand.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And then you're upset that you don't get these opportunities
like you want to be.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You want to be an industry leader in fashion. Dress
like it all.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
That's a hell yes, especially the hat comment because you
are fired up, so like, hell yes.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I can't stand it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I can every single professional Instagram right now go through
their men's walk in picks from last night. I bet
you fifty percent of those guys have a banion and
half of them are somewhere warm.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Nobody from the Florida Panthers should have a freaking beanie on.
I'll tipe that right now.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
When we think about professional and what that means, like corporate,
there's something specific comes to mind. And the WNBA, the NWSL,
the NBA, the NFL, these athletes have come to the
table and said, listen, professional is whatever I make it.
And there are times, yeah, when people show up and
you're like that that's what they chose. But for the
(05:21):
most part, these athletes are being given the opportunity to
showcase their individual personalities right and identify with brands and
align with brands, so it further creates opportunity for them.
It reflects positively on the team, and it allows these
athletes to feel like they have more than just one
avenue for which they're successful.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Right, Yeah, one thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It's only going to help you and your team. Yeah,
And in hockey, for whatever reason, we're just not there
continuing down, right. You take Tip Hays, she played for
the Aces. Tip has started a brand. It's literally her
last name spelled backwards, and she seated her team mates
on the Aces with clothes that she produced. That she
(06:04):
then goes sells right, like, look at the trickle down
of this business woman that is using her platform to
create more and better and then so like that's her brand.
Then you have somebody like Timberland, right, Timberland.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Seeds these athletes boots like anything they want because they
see the value of Djona Carrington wearing an outfit with
a pair of their boots. They're gonna put her on
a national campaign, They're gonna put her everywhere because she's
showing them she has eyes, she has a clear sense
of fashion. She's ready to break every mold right Like
(06:37):
sometimes you see her in a teeny little two piece
pink set, and then sometimes you see her in like
you know, skin tight pants or like a loose pant
or like she's ready to break every gender norm about
her fashion and what she's gonna put on her body.
She rocks up with the dunkin coffee, a Timberland set.
I'm like, let's go the sex appeal that we are
(06:58):
missing by not show casing these athletes as women, their
feminine energy, their creativity. Like I can think about one
athlete in the PWHL that I am excited to see
her walk in fit every day. It's Lexiegia. I look
at what she's doing and I'm not sitting here being
like I wonder how much that cost. I look at
(07:19):
it and be like, she looks fucking insane.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
And what I think is interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And she's talked about this before, like people like rip
on her for it, and I actually think I don't
know because they're jealous. I think it's actually so important,
and so I think that I had a unique style,
more masculine suit wearing.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Like I'd rack up to a game in a three
PCE suit. Loved it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I loved getting dressed for game day. I think it's
important from a visibility standpoint. Right, we're talking about building
something for future generations. We're talking about being role models,
being leaders, being examples. You have so many people walking
in looking the same, which is fine if that's what
you're comfortable with. Yeah, or is it what you think
you have to wear.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
To fit in? Because the reality is we don't have
to do that. We've done that, it's built, it's here.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You've got your opportunity right, express your style, provide opportunity
for other people to express their style.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's so important.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I think that is so topical because you have also
I forgot, but you have Mariah Coppel who has a
line who I've actually bought Birch from Riyah the label.
Her stuff is stunning and she's doing different stuff. She's
collabing now, she just collabed on this suitwar set. Carl Jackson.
They have an insane way of showcasing their stuff. I mean,
Carly Jackson puts out thirst straps of themselves and I'm
(08:35):
sitting here like, I think that's so hot. I'm like, yeah,
have that confidence, but show up.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I do have to give two shout outs because we
only you named two who deserve But also I think
Emma Woods and Natalie Spooner pull up like Mama's got style.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, Mama's got Spooner's got yeah, yeah, listen, And I'm like,
I'm obviously missing some right like, and this is not
like a holistic approach on all six teams, but it's
more like our.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
G downey laundry.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Are we posting that thirst traps?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
So that's my hot take. I think hockey should be
more fun, more fashionable, and more thirst traps.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So this is a call to action to all the
Peter BHL players out there.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
We want to see a step up in the style game.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Well, I need to do a little check in before
we get into our interview, which I'm really excited about.
But before we get there, how you feeling one to
one hundred? What's going on in your world?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I am a ninety seventh. I have a slight pain
in my low back, but really I'm buzzin'.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I've gone to the boxing gym three times in the
last twenty four hours, and I feel amazing about it
and doorphins are real.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, no workout indorphins are so real.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
So real, there's nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Well, I will say I feel good too. I don't know.
I've had two coffees today, which is kind of amazing.
I took Carlin to the doctor no shots, like no shots,
no shots. Doctor appointment is like is like a one
hundred billion dollars in the pot.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Which is such because that always happens when I am like,
can you please take her?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Because every time I take her. Last time I took her,
she to get three shots.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Homegirl is fully.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
And you know what nows is just like the nurse's like,
We're just gonna get it over in one go, all
three at the same time, jams and so hard time
to cry or she realizes what's happening.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
The way that they do shots at the pediatrician is
actually crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
We treat kids at the pediatrician the way you treat
an animal at the vet.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I was gonna say, like cattle, like livestock. Yeah, it's
kind of crazy, but today was great. She aced every
single test, She sang a couple of songs, she jumped
around like nothing was wrong. So that was great. The
only thing bringing me just a tiny click down. She's
newly obsessed with a television show that does make me
want to poke both of my eyes out.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
The only thing bringing me down.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, it's so annoying. It doesn't have any words. It's
like a little kid playing in their room with like
sound effects and like all this annoying stuff. And for
some reason it got on Disney Plus. I'm gonna hang
up this call and call the people at Disney Plus
and let them know it needs to be removed, because
Disney Plus is usually my safe haven. There's nothing on
Disney Plus that I'm not okay with them watching except
(11:11):
this specific show. And if your mom and your kid
watches this show, you know what I'm talking about. And
what it seems to be removed Called Diana.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Oh with the sister and the brother.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, I'm team take that show down.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I don't understand it. Like, but the kids are like captivated.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I would say a lot of those YouTube to television
shows freak me out, And I think that's how this
one started. Why are they so addicting? Why can't the
kids stop watching them? What is going on? Like sometimes
the TV is the third babysitter, Like I get it,
but like it's.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Like an algorithm. It's like cocoml And remember we like
we were like, why is he so obsessed with this?
And then you've looked into it and it was like
because it's like literally like an algorithm. It changes these
specific colors every blank seconds, like you never see the
same image twice. Like it's just captivating to kids who've
never experienced it.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, anyway, that's the only thing bringing me down right now.
But I will say the thing bringing me up and
reminding me how incredible it can all be is our
next guest. We talked to Robin our z Own. She
is literally an amazing soul, just off the rip. Like
everything that she says, she has so much passion behind
what she's talking about. She's changing the world, not only
(12:19):
just at Peloton, but through all the stuff that she's
doing to engage more wellness and just I would say,
like a global attention to oneself.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And shout out Swagger's Society.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yes, Swagger Society. She's just cool. And so that was
a great conversation and I cannot wait to dive in,
so up next a conversation with Robin our Own. Robin,
(12:52):
it is so nice to have you on the podcast. Welcome,
thanks for having me. We are so excited. I'm Anya
and my wife Madame. We haven't met before, so welcome
to our small corner of the world.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I just wanted to before we get super into it,
tell you how much I love your classes, love your message.
You know, kind of was inspired postpartum.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It is.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Actually, while I was pregnant, Madison bought me a bike
right in that COVID era. Like, you know, our babies
are twenty one or twenty twenty and twenty twenty two,
so we were like perfect COVID moms totally. Yeah, it's
like great and awful, but we live in this kinship.
So Maddie bought me a bike because I wanted to
keep training while pregnant. I was a professional athlete and
then I wasn't. I felt so empowered by your classes,
(13:37):
your message. You kicked my ass like so hard so
many times. So thank you a million times over. Oh
and then we have babies.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Well I love hearing from athletes who have experienced pregnancy,
because that's how I approached it. I was like, well,
I didn't just like relinquish my whole identity, like I
still want.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
To be able to flex in the ways that I can.
So I'm glad that that was.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, and it was always one of those things. So
at that time, Maddie was still playing and I was not,
and I was like, I need a sweat, Like Maddie
would come home from practice and be like beefed and
she was just looking great, and I was like, I
feel awful. I look awful. I can't leave this house.
This baby stuck to me like I'm the food. I
look like this, Like what's happening? And so all of
(14:23):
that to say, you brought me through my first experience
with my body changing, which was crazy. You probably never
knew that. And I think that Maddie and always talk
about this with different Peloton folks that we talked to,
like you touched so many lives and you don't realize it.
So I'm excited to jump into all that, jump into
the momming. But there's a real tie that binds the
three of us. It's the advocacy towards mental health. I've
(14:47):
loved that and that was a reason that I kind
of like connected with your content right away. But tell
us how you got there and why that is so
important to you, Oh my.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Gosh, well, movement I was not.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I'm like, maybe I was not an athlete in before adulthood.
So I didn't realize that movement was savation, medicine all
things until pretty late in life. I found it out
of necessity. When I was a senior at NYU. I
had a really traumatic incident and I was held a gunpoint.
(15:20):
It was really intense, and that I did therapy. I
did all the things, you know, I'm like a classic Virgo,
like give me a to do list and I will
do it. And I was like, Okay, you're gonna go
to the you're gonna talk therapy, and you're gonna, you know,
do group therapy, and you're gonna do all these things.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
And I was like, got it. Check out off the list,
check it off the list.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
And then a few years into that trauma recovery, I
was like, oh, I still feel like I have an
elephant sitting on my chest, So what do I do
about that part?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
And I just was called to move.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
I had like a dusty pair of sneakers in my
closet probably kids, definitely not running shoes.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
And I was in law school at the.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Time, and I just started moving walk runs, sign up
for a ten k that turned into a lot of
endurance run and ultra marathons, and then you know, Peloton
came into the picture. And obviously my life completely changed
after that, and you know, steeped in wellness and movement
and then educating myself around these concepts and then becoming.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
A leader in the space. But it was truly out
of a personal need to be a little kinder in
between my ears.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
When it's so funny, you say that, because I'm so
I retired about two months ago, so I'm kind of
going through. Like I just said to Annie the other day,
I didn't really take a break from working out when
I retired, like we were ramping up to start in season.
I retired after training camp and then I, like a
lot of athletes will take a big break, and I
kind of didn't really know what to do. And then
but I just started going to the gym because I
needed a routine in the morning. And I came home
(16:43):
and I said to her, I am so much happier,
just like where I start my day when I go
to the gym and I'm not training specifically for anything now,
So like today, I wait and I did I saw
something online that was like a twelve incline for at
a four speed for like however long, Like that's what
I did this morning, like a walk. Yeah, but it's
like it's just moving and it feels so good and
(17:04):
that that's like it's such a big, huge thing that
we talk about, like kids getting outside for sixty minutes
a day, and I think as athletes we forget that,
Like while it's our job, right, like your job now
is movement, but there's so much more to that and
like finding space also outside of that job, to find
ways to move and to find happiness in what you're
(17:25):
doing outdoors or inside like whatever, right, just finding a
way to be active, And I think that's hugely important.
So obviously it just touched on like you work for Peloton,
so you still fitness is your main job, but do
you find that you have to try and like branch
from that and like I'm working now, this is what
those workouts look like for work. Do on top of that,
do you try to find ways to like for your
(17:45):
mental health as a release to do other things.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I don't know if I've ever taught a Peloton class
without doing my own workout beforehand.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Oh really literally, probably not even once, maybe.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
A safe space, right, because.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
I have to get my energy right before I do that, right,
because obviously I'm physically going through I'm doing the workout
with folks, but it's not my workout, so I have
to get my frame of mind right, my energy right,
and anything that I say in class, I've probably said
to myself like an hour before, so it also gives
me a good frame of reference for like what the
(18:21):
member is going through. But I, yeah, I follow my
own training program and then that enables me to do
what I do on the bike, on the tread in
the strength studio.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I'm obsessed with that. Yeah, I genuinely always feel like
there are times where I can work out because like
in a team sport, right, which is how we know
working out, there's like the hype girl, and then there's
like the like all star, and typically those people aren't
always the same. So like Maddi's always been the All
Star and I've always been the hype girl. And then
there are times where I'm like, I just want to
put my headphones on and I don't want to cheer
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for somebody's set. I want to do my own thing,
and like This is in my mind, the like two
sides of yourself clashing, cause like there are times where
you probably just want to like put your headphones on
and not be ramping people up to like reach their potential.
But that's you don't have the ability to do that.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah. I go to like a.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Private training facility in New York and it's classic lifting
met cons. It's not CrossFit, but there are because it's
not really Olympic lifting, but it's just like the main lifts.
And I've been going three four days, three to five
days a week, depending on the week, for like seven years,
and that has just been my safe space.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Like I go, it's focused.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
It's like I'm just hands on chalk, hands on bars,
hands on metal, and we just go.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
It's called Ford and it's really helped me.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
It's just my ground, my ground floor, my baseline, and
I'm able to build everything both physically and mentally on
top of that.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
And the runs, my solo runs are still really important.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I wish I could be a runner like I tried,
and I'm like exclusively run when chased period.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I did an iron Man.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I did an iron Man after college, and it's just
well that's okay.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
When she says that, and it's like I should I
man it ruined me.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I was like, I was, so I love biking, biking
and swimming all day every day, but running I just
like I did the Iron Man and I can't ever
again if I've run more than a mile and a half.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I'm like, my feet are ruined.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And I wish I could because it's such a good
workout and people talk about the runners high like I
think I would really enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
It's just is so painful.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
I mean, I think obviously pace and distance inform that
I went through a period after doing a slew of
ultras back to back that I just, you almost like
start to resent the running training. And then I was like,
oh shoot, I don't want to not love this anymore.
So I just pulled back completely from marathons. And that
was like before I had my daughter, my first child,
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and then I did one when she was about nine
months old, and I haven't done one since because that
New York City marathon was so great and I'm like,
I'm happy to have that as a little caps you know,
Tom capsule in my mind. And then you know, pursuing
other physical activities is fine, but it's like it doesn't
just because it's right for one season doesn't mean it's
right for all seasons.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah. Fair.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I also wore brand new running shoes. I won them,
I'd won them once before. I knew nothing about any
of it. That's a mistake.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
These are rookie mistakes right now. What era are you in?
Are you more like biking robin? Are you more running robin? Like?
Where's your heart? If you had to pick them.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Fully hybrid athlete, it's I have a bunch of high
rocks competitions coming up, so I'm like heavy sled, heavy
rope fast one case, so it's middle distance. It's fast
middle distance which I've never done before, and getting strong
as hell, getting super freaking strong.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
So that's that's the era that I'm in.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I'd like eat steel is a great mental era to
be in. It's a fun place too, Like I think
the the inaccessibility for women and knowing that they can
go to the gym and just eat steel and feeling
like it's going to turn your body into something that
you don't want it to be. It's such a barrier.
So when you kind of go through through that thought process, right,
Like you're in this new mindset of like let's you know,
(22:03):
have protein powder, be a beast and go to the gym,
which I love. I think we should all be there.
How do you see that discrepancy with women as a
trainer for women in the way that we shape you know,
fitness for women and kind of like talk about it
because as a GMA contributor you do that all the time.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
I mean, I think it's changing right now, Like literally,
I think the paradigm is shifting as we have this conversation,
which is great and and to be honest, I'm just
happy that we're having the conversation. Whether it's because of
GLP ones or where it's I don't really care causality.
I care that we are going to have We're going
to debunk the bulking myth that we're going to get
people putting picking up weights heavier than their laundry detergent.
(22:44):
Like that's what I care about, right, Yeah, And I'm
excited about that. You know, as someone who loves I
love biking, I love running. Clearly, I am a cardio person.
I'm able to see the effectiveness of those cardio modalities
because the ground floor or for me is strength, like
heavy strength, three to four days a week. And that's
(23:05):
what I really want folks to feel confident about. And
I'd say, like, take your Pelton app, take me in
your pocket, go into the weight room. And I understand
that not everybody's gonna be like doing a one RM bench,
you know, like that's not necessarily for everyone, but I
think that there's a gray area where we can all
kind of meet in that resistance world.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I love the accessibility of the Peloton app has given
people in that specific way, as athletes often will navigate
the gym differently than anybody else. I can see a
smith machine, I could see a regular rack, I could
see free weights, I could see kettles, Like I know
what I'm looking at. I know what to do, what
not to do, like to a degree.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Like listen, no one's tho, no one's famous over here
for that, but but it's a it's the app became
a very accessible way to go, but no, And I
think that that is a humongous turning point for where
Peloton became such a household item for all things training.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Did you kind of like feel a shift in that
switch into app into app content into like user driven workouts. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
I mean it's it's interesting when we look at user behavior, right,
because we see what folks are asking for, we see
what they're taking, and people started really asking for strength
content and it's it's showing up in the workouts. It's
strength is actually our second most popular modality behind is
it behind the bike?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yep? That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah, yeah, it's amazing and I love that. That's so encouraging.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
And of course that includes you know, pilates and bar
and there's all kinds of ways to kind of approach strength.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
But of course as part of that is also picking
up weight that.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Wasn't incorporated during COVID, Right, that's a newer feature for Peloton.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
We've been doing strength classes since we had our tread
studio in the West Village, So that was pre COVID day.
That was when we had a cycling studio on twenty
third Street in New York City and a tread studio
in the West Village. So we've had boot camps and
strength classes went since we've launched the tread. But then
kind of around COVID and thereafter is when we started
(25:14):
hiring dedicated strength instructors and that's when some of our instructors,
like myself, are kind of teaching on multiple modalities. Okay,
so we fleshed it out like pandemic on.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, you became an instructor at Peloton way before the
platform blew up during COVID, and like then you see,
we all saw what happened during COVID. I think a
part of it was obviously people are stuck in their
homes and then they have you know, they've become a
part of a community because it's kind of the only
community you can be a part of. Like what was
it like to be a part of Peloton during that
giant shift and like the swing?
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Well, what was interesting, right because it was you're like
holding space for multiple versions of yourself and and I
think we all did that in the pandemic, right, it
was like the Zoom version the family, like they were
like we were like living in this both and very
straight time. So it was both amazing and profound. We
able to hold space for millions of people who were like,
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you were.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Saving me right now.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
And then we also had to you know, be a
little delicate and how we were addressing stuff and how
we were saying things or not in class.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Or outside of class on social media.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
But ultimately I'm just glad that we were able to
meet people where they are. And so many folks have
Peloton in their lives now because of it. And now
it's a hybrid approach, right, folks are going back to
the gym, they're wanting to go on their runs, they're
wanting to be in community with each other, and that
is fantastic. Like, you know, Peloton is going to be
around for a long time, and we were to meet
people where they're moving and how they're moving.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, I mean that was that shift from fame in
its you know, kind of like bucket of users fame.
You know, you've always been a pro athlete that we
won't take away from that at any point. But then
like viral fame, like crazy fame, like you're in People
magazine fame, And so that switch in watching a group
(27:02):
of trainers that are you know, I just told you
a story about how you are in my you know
room training me. You know, there's a certain level of
like connection, but lack of connection. Right, Like if I
went to an actual class where I'm physically in the room,
I have the people around me, but I can meet
that instructor. I can talk to that instructor, I can
feel connected to that instructor. But you're doing that on
(27:24):
like the hundreds thousands million scale. You know, what does
that do for your perception of who you are? Like,
how do you feel like you when that's happening? Oh
my god, that's that's a crazy thing.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
I mean real talk, Like, your personal circle gets a
lot smaller, right, I think the folks.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Who we observe as leaders in public spaces.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
That is a common conversation that I've had with folks
that have had the honor of meeting and whether it's
in media or Hollywood or business or sports, of course,
I think the circle gets smaller and you have to
tighten up in your own basics, like your own process,
which is why I'm so diligent and discipline about my
own workouts, my own sleep, my mental health, my boundaries
(28:06):
you know, with my family, my boundaries around my time.
Like when I say yes, it's with my full chest.
But if I say no, I'm not giving you a reason.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
And it's just no.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I love that you said that a year ago, and
I'm like, I literally wrote that, like a my side life.
I'm a sales leader, and I wrote, sometimes it knows
better than a yes if I ask you to do
something and the answer is no, that you can't, you
won't you have time for it, You're not mentally ready
for whatever it is. Does this know come from? I've
got to ask, like the legal world where I feel
(28:36):
like some of my lawyer friends have never had dinner
with their family ever. They're like, yeah, I have a baby,
I'd never see her. It's crazy, gosh, but it's the life,
isn't it.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah. I mean I think I don't know. I'm not
as close to that world now, but back then it
certainly was. Yeah, practice is a corporate litigator for eight years.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
I certainly understand clear communication and putting my own understanding
the pros, cons and narrative that I want to put
out in the world. Like I think lawyers are very
good list makers and very good communicators in a lot
of ways self interested communicators. You know, that's kind of
(29:14):
what we're paid for, so do that on behalf of
our clients. So I definitely learned that. And I also
discovered that like the story we tell ourselves around the
know is usually much more intense and inflammatory than what
the other person is receiving, especially when you inform it
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with context, and you know, when you think about in
the sales space and with deliverables in a business contest,
It's like, let's begin with the end in mind, like
where we all trying to go. Now, let's figure out
how we're gonna get there, you know, like it doesn't
necessarily have to be this one path.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
And that was really freeing to me.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
It's like, yes, people care, but also nobody cares, you know,
like we'll be gonna be okay.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So in that we all say no a lot as moms, obviously,
So let's transition to the fun part of the conversation. Yeah,
tell us a little bit about your decision to become
a mom, and obviously, like your body is a huge
part of your job and how you make a living.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
So did you know was there any hesitation about that
at all?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Or just tell us a little bit about that decision
to start your journey as a mom.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Oh gosh, I thought, I mean, yeah, I wanted to
be a mom my whole life. I mean I was like,
I'll do it. I'll do it without a partner, I'll
do it solo. And then I met my husband in
my thirties. I froze my eggs, we froze embryos because
I didn't know there was no there was no like, oh,
I just happened to not be working out two hours.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
A day in May, like no.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
So that was quite the conundrum that as you you know,
acknowledged that happens for athletes. And then the pandemic happens
and I was just sitting on the couch with my husband.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
I was like, yeah, let's do this. You're like, it's
let's do it.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
And so then you know, Athena was born, and I
knew I wanted them to be reasonably close in age,
so they're like two and a half years apart, and
that felt right for us.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
And in COVID, the first pregnant instructor.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
At Peloton, you know, I just felt like like chopping down,
you know, walking through the jungle with a machete, like
I don't know what's ahead, and any pregnancy is like that, right,
Like I mean you literally, you know you could two
kids are different, pregnancies are different, our bodies are different.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
And that very much felt like Gosh the wild West.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
It absolutely did. So we so similarly, but we got
pregnant right before COVID, like we got we found out
we were pregnant, and then everyone was like, no, don't
leave your home. We were like, oh, okay, great, Like
that's it was like, honestly, I think it was like
a week. It was crazy. And so that journey for
you when you go through it, right, like, what are
some like war stories that kind of remind you of that?
(31:51):
Or you're like, you know, I'm on the bike for
six hours, but pregnant, Like is someone telling me what
to do here? Or how am I navigating this?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Oh my gosh, Well, well, you know, before I got
pregnant night, I got my you know, I got certifications
and like prem post natal, So obviously I want to
keep everything safe, but I also trust myself, and I
didn't see enough out there that was speaking to pregnant athletes.
And obviously pregnancy super individualized, medical care super individualized. But
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you know, if it's not, if you don't have complications
and thankfully things are going okay, you.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Can still do a lot. And I just thought my entire.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Perspective during pregnancy was I'm going to focus on what
I can do rather than what I can rather than
what I can't. You know, It's a classic like growth mindset.
Like I'm like, if growth minds I can apply to business, baby, it's.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Gonna apply to the pregnancy.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
And it saved my life. And I didn't have a
ton of I have like a great village.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Of birthing folks who were around me, But they're not
with a light and millions of teaching in front of
millions of people and needing to get dressed for a
body ride and your pants don't even fit, you know,
like you don't like it was they're not.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Wearing the crop chop block with the baby belly, Okay, you.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Know, the pressure was kind of real, and then there's naysayers,
Oh you should should you be lifting that?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
So you be da da da.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
It's like, so there's noise, and I think there's noise
for all pregnant people, but there definitely is for folks
who are doing it in the public eye. And you
know now a number of folks women have have had
babies at Peloton. I been pregnant on the platform and
have taught, and I think it is such a strong
example of what we can do rather than what we can't.
(33:36):
Going through that experience, I had a lot of support,
had it so privileged to have so much support, but yeah,
it was definitely a mental battle some days, and not
even just like the body image stuff, but it's also
I would program a workout like on a Thursday, and
then I'm teaching it in two weeks. I'd be like, oh,
I don't actually can I do that? And I do
(33:56):
that in two weeks You're like, what's let's see, I
don't know. And so that was really I felt like
a like a one woman's science experiment.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yeah, I mean, and like, you don't recognize you being
a general term me as well, we don't recognize how
many places in the world women really do just like
shut down and not have never seen an image of
someone that's doing something different. So when we talk about
you exposing your life, your reality to millions of women,
we don't always wrap our mind around that. So like
(34:28):
non I always say, it's men. But we were running
on the track. Maddie was still training. This is a
story about a band, but we were running on a track.
Mattie was training and she was doing splits, so she
was like, you know, running the straights, walking the curves
of a track, and she's going all out. She's training
for season, and I'm like, I'll join you. It's Connecticut,
(34:48):
it's the summer. It's probably ninety degrees and I'm like,
I'm gonna walk. So I'm doing my little like big
bump and walk. And then I started to jog because
I can do that. Like I can again, I know myself.
And a man, an older man, stopped my wife and said,
someone needs to get her off that track.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
She was thirty six weeks pregnant.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I was trying to brout that baby out first of all,
and it was ninety four degrees.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yea, so it was one o four on the track.
But you were fine, you had your water. Was like, yeah,
you were taking breaks.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
It was I know me.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I was like, I was like, you should tell her that.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, I'm mad. He was like, go go tell her that.
That's for you.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah. I was like, you should tell her that because
I'm definitely not.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
But the but the assumptions are wild. Anyway, you have
your partner and you have your babies.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
A big piece of most stories in pregnancy and it
becomes like, hopefully now more liberating for women to talk
about versus others other times. But a huge part of
my journey was postpartum depression like huge, and so we
talk about like all these funny things that happen while pregnant.
There then becomes this like immediate halt to the system. Right,
(36:11):
We've gone through a massive trauma. The body is in
trauma recovery mode. The baby needs you one hundred percent
of the time. Even while sleeping, my mind was like,
something's going on. I need to be there. I mean, like,
I went through this whole journey. So did that affect you?
Did it change the way that you started kind of
like teaching two pregnant women. Did it change the way
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that you started appreciating your own contributions?
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Oh my gosh, Well, postpartum was one of the most
like humbling experiences of my life. I didn't I obviously
knew like there was a recovery and like I obviously
intellectually understood that I felt.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
So out of my body.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
I didn't realize what truly deconditioned ground zero like.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
And it gives me so much empathy.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
Like I was like, okay, girl, you just your beginner
again and you have to just be okay with that.
And my mantra postpartum was slowing down as a strength
because I had to frame it in some kind of
strength thing, and I was like, okay, well I don't
have the intensity right now, so where am I going
to get? Like where do I get where? How am
I going to put myself up?
Speaker 4 (37:23):
And then sewing down became a strength and.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
That was the breath work. It was, you know, the
body weight movement. It was just being happy when I
could like lift the baby up and not feel like,
you know, my insides were going to fall out, you know.
So it was it was super humbling, and I don't
think I could have been more prepared because there's just
you physically in your body. It is just this foreign thing,
especially for an athlete, especially who is something you know,
(37:48):
You're like I worked out the day I gave birth
or the week I gave Like that is a rightfully
a point of pride, but that doesn't actually inform nothing
after that after Yeah, yeah, the postpartum period is intense.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah. Well, we went through this period of time where
I had major postpartum depression. Madison was my rock through
all of it. She was also in the peak of
season right like she's in the peak of season. Athletes
have to intrinsically be selfish like, let's call it what
it is. If you are an athlete, you have to
be selfish and that's not a negative thing. Selfish with
your time, selfish with your recovery, selfish with your body,
(38:26):
selfish with what you're putting in your body. Like yeah,
and it's a humongously important trait to being an athlete
full stop. As a mother, the job is basically the
most unselfish job of all things. So watching female athletes
go through it always puts the mind at like a
complete conundrum because you have to be the most selfish
(38:48):
version of yourself to succeed as an athlete, and the
most unselfish version of yourself. Because when our kids were
you know, fever, throwing up snotty nose, Madison wasn't like
I've practed tomorrow too bad, stay in your room, right,
So it's like then the baby start to grow. You
have two now, so nobody sleeps. How do you divide that?
(39:11):
You know, we'll call it invisible labor. Eve Rodsky shout
out that that is such an important part of the role,
and you and your husband no small jobs. What does
that co parenting structure look like? What does that split
invisible labor feel like, how'd you get there? It's not easy.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Oh my gosh, it's really not. And I'm so glad
that I have like language around it. You know, Eve's
books are so great.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
But you know, my.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Husband does a lot of it, Like there are a
lot of days he's the default parent. He's the one
the school calls. He's kind of home manager, of our
support team. You know of our nanny, you know of
the person and grants it like all these all these
things that we have our resources and our privileged to
have it, but we delegate where we can, and we'll
(39:57):
have our our meeting, our partnership meeting, and and he's
kind of the person who's delegating and managing that day
to day. And I don't have a traditional schedule, so
I'm also able to like be around in the mornings
and the evenings and when the kids are like midday
so and so is he. So that provides us a
little bit more freedom. But it's tons of communication, and
(40:17):
it really is running our home like we run a business.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
My husband and I also work together.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
He works as my manager and then he also does
like his own business endeavors as an entrepreneur. So there's
a lot of moving pieces, but as long as like
everything's in the calendar, everything has a conversation, everything has
like a task lisk and an email follow up, and
you know, we have our little systems, but he really
does a lot of that because when I'm filming, when
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I'm on set, I'm there, like I can only be
like five percent Athena and Atlas's mom. When I'm on
there's no delegating. When I am literally the hired talent
on a production.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
So I have to assume that a lot of that
falls on your husband because of little plug here. We
want to talk about Spiger Society right like you have it,
are already not busy enough, and then tell us a
little bit about that and what inspired you to do that,
what it is and why it's important.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
So Swagger Society is a lifestyle membership club that I
co founded with my husband.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
He's the CEO of Swagger Society.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
We're now so initially it was like post pandemic, wanting
to go deeper with my most engaged followers, and so
the lifestyle membership club is basically an expansion of what
the mental toughness and the tips tricks and growth mindset
stuff that I initially infused in my masterclass.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
And now we're going.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
Deeper, so we'll have like quarterly we call them Queendom
halls where we basically like host workshops for the Swager
Society members.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
And now we're really looking at Spag Society as a
media company.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
We wanted to think like, okay, so we know how
to go deeper, and we know how to do in
real life events, and we've sold events out that are
very much like you know, these kind of like a
two to three hundred person conference where you're essentially listening
to speaker after speaker and feeling jazz like ready to
own and level up your life. So we've done in
real life events, we've done the smaller breakout workshops, you know, virtually,
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and now we're looking, you know, in the media space
and looking at like, what how do we host and
engage conversations with that growth mindset, with the idea of
this Swager Society. If it's a golden rolled decks of
hustlers as we affectionately call it, how do we host
those conversations now that scale that are still meaningful. And
so we're looking at what that might look like in
(42:36):
the unscripted space, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
So where can people like follow join plot?
Speaker 5 (42:41):
Yeah, So Swagger Society is on ig I'm robin nyc
Rabin Edison on Instagram and we're always sharing how folks
can engage with us. And so we'll be having two
in real life events, one I think in Miami in
May and one for sure in New.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
York probably in the fall, but we'll disclose that.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
So we'll have two in real life events in twenty
twenty five and then you know, the media stuff, the
podcast stuff will be forthcoming.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
But it's so cool because like even us with this
like content is queen right, and it's just such an
important piece of how we all connect today, you know.
And so like there's Smager Society, there's Peloton, there's all
these different versions of you, And is that the place
that they all kind of like turn into the truest
form of you? Is that where you can be yourself?
(43:25):
Is that where you show people like, you know, you're real?
Speaker 4 (43:29):
Yeah, I think that that's also. Yeah, thank you for
mentioning that.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
So the Swager Society newsletter, I should mention that you
can also sign up for the Swagger Society newsletter, which
I write every week. It comes out every single week,
and that is kind of.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Swagger.
Speaker 5 (43:43):
Society really is where like growth, mindset and lifestyle and
parents hang and like where all the things come into play, right,
And so there's obviously wellness stuff and the fun gift
guys and that content type of stuff, but it's also
like where I I like, it's like grand central station
for all the things that I'm thinking and talking about
(44:06):
in one place that is like intelligible and digestible.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
It's the inside of your heart. I always say this.
I'm like, I'm like, we got to find like where
to put that because it's not on social Sometimes it's
not Instagram, right, yeah, I hear you it. It can't
be it I wanted to be. Maybe it could have
been TikTok. Now, who knows what's going on there, But
like all that to say, there has to be a place.
And I love so much when female athletes build it
themselves because we can do it better than anybody else.
(44:32):
But a real inside of your heart moment where you
can share what's real to you and then have other
people connect to that and learn because you are so
inspiring you do do so many great things. We ask
a question to everybody kind of on wrap up pack.
Do you want to take question today?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I could take the question so kind of putting you
on the spot, But what is some advice that you
would have liked to receive or you did receive through
your parent had journey that you want to share with
someone else?
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (45:04):
So when I was pregnant with Athena, I'm friendly with
Eva Longoria and I asked, Eva, what do you wish
you know you somebody told you when you were pregnant
with Santi and she was like, I wish they would
have told me less. And that was a moment for
me because you know, it's like there's so much research
(45:25):
in so many podcasts and so many books and so
many blogs and so many comments and so much stuff,
and like we have this abundance of research, and you
know it's like I love doctor Becky, I love all this,
but I'm just like, when am I going to be
gently parents?
Speaker 3 (45:40):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Like where do I put that?
Speaker 5 (45:42):
And sometimes it's dialing down, it's listening less to all
that and remembering like I've made it all these decades.
I can trust myself and when I don't know the information.
I will ask, I will research, but sometimes we can
go down this rabbit hole of and it's so intimidate
because it's like, oh wait, I've never raised a four
year old before, I must not know anything.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
And it's like, well, actually we have intuition, like we
can figure it out.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
So that I always think of even telling me like
I wish they told me less because it's it's just
such an acknowledgment of the noise. So I think that
that is one to remind folks that you've made it
this far through one hundred percent of the nonsense, like
you will figure it out.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
It's all figure outable.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah, I mean, this is my my big gripe, not
my gripe, but like my mom and I go into
it and she's like google it. I'm like, you didn't
google it, you didn't have Google.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Don't tell me.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
I'm like, what's it was ungoogleable at the time in
which you did it? Or she'll say that, she'll she'll
hit me back with, Mom, I was reading this thing
and I think I'm doing this wrong in that or
whatever you know you have like your person that you've
ent to mine is my mom and I give her
a year full of all these things and she goes.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I didn't even get an ultra sound when I was
pregnant with you. I thought you were going to be
a boy. I had a whole different name picked out.
She's like, who cares? Right, Like, who cares that much?
And it's so funny that that you say that. And
it's so topical because there's all these things that we
find pillars and foundations as we do this podcast, as
we talk to people, you know, bursing people, non bursing people,
as we kind of like go through this whole what
(47:10):
does parenting look like? We interviewed one of our teammates
who was like an epic auntie, not even a parent.
Like everyone has these different bits of advice mm hm,
and they all kind of categorize, right. Sometimes it's like
leave me alone. I don't want to hear your opinion.
I just want to think for myself. And when I
mess it up, this is Maddie's like probably dying inside
because this is how I operate in my real life.
(47:31):
I'm like, when I mess it up, I'll come to you,
but let me just do it on my own. And
when I go horribly wrong, I'll call you in to
fix it. So I love that advice. Thank you so
much for joining us.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Ask for help and to ask for the help that
you need.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
I learned that actually on the Ultra marathon race course,
because you know, my family, like they're so generous of spirit.
They would show up at these races and it's like,
what do you mean you don't know that I want
a banana a mile thirty five?
Speaker 3 (47:58):
You know, It's like, obviously they don't know.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
That, right, And I really tried to approach like parenthood
and resources and help that same way.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
It's like they don't, they don't know, they don't. You
have to communicate it.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
They're not reading your mind, I'll tell you that. And
I think that's that's very true and also very indicative
of another personal problem that I have. It's it's hard,
though to ask for help very I now try to
ask freely for what I need because then maybe I'll
get it.
Speaker 5 (48:30):
Mm hmm, yeah, maybe you'll get it, and then it's
revelatory you know of something else. And I also think athletes,
especially moms, like we can just suffer, like we can
just take it, and it's like.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Well, aren't I also deserving of like softness and love
and stuff.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
You know, it's such a twist and it's really a
lot to unpack, but we're in a city.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
We're actually trying this whole We're taking a left turn
on this podcast. It's going to mean something else now,
but yeah, like I like that to that point, Like
we can train ourselves to literally throw up. I can
get myself to a point where I'm training so hard
that I elicit like an illness, and then I'd be like,
that was a hard workout, that was unreal, Like I'll
be excited about it.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Yeah, that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
Oh my god, killed it. It's crazy, But we do
it to ourselves, don't we really? Truly?
Speaker 5 (49:19):
And I and the both and idea has really helped
me because it's like I can still be excited about that.
I can still be that person who's gonna go all
out in a training session or in an experience, but
also we deserve the love we give to others. I
can also be that badass person and deserve softness and
be vulnerable and say like I don't want to suffer
(49:40):
through this, and that nuance is only that's a recent.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
Recent Robin chapter.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Let's just say that.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
I love that chapter. This chat has been awesome. Thank
you so much. We appreciate it. I didn't admit to
it in the beginning, but I too took some of
your classes during.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
I was like, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
I bought her the bike. I was like, I'm not
doing that. I'm just gonna ride on no sound. And
Annie came home one day and I was taking one
of your classes. No.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
It was actually crazy. She would crank it up and
ride with no screen, like, just ride it. I'm like,
you could just turn a class on. She's like, no,
I'm I'm good, like not above it, but like I'm
just I'm good. I don't need it. And then like
one day I hear and she's like singing to like
nineties raw. I'm like, babe, yea kill I was, I.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Will own it.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
It was awesome. That's great.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Yeah, we have some crazy Peloton stories, but we'll save
those for another day. It was amazing to have you on.
It's amazing to talk to you, it's amazing to hear
your perspective. Thank you for everything you're doing. We're so
excited to watch out things unfold with the Swager's Society.
You've got two newsletters subscribers here, so we're excited to
have you and thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 4 (50:50):
Thank you all for having me. This is so fun.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
And that's all we have today. Thank you for listening.
I'm Anya Packer and I'm Madison Packer and this is
These Pax Puck. These Pax Puck is a production of
iHeart Women's Sports in Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
It's hosted by us Madison and Anya Packer. Emily Meronoff
is our awesome senior producer and story editor. We were
mixed and mastered by Mary Doo. Our executive producers are
Jennifer Bassett, Jesse Katz, and Ali Perry.
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