August 12, 2025 • 40 mins
Chirping, yard sales, and reconnecting. Three words that may seem random, but not after listening to this week’s episode. First, Anya and Madison school us in the world of hockey slang. Whether it’s a play, diss, or luscious head of hair, the Packers teach us how to talk like a hockey vet. Then, the Packers talk about their journey to reconnect with themselves and each other after having kids, featuring details from their most recent date night! Shake out your head of lettuce, don’t be a hoser, and take a listen... It’s a barn burner!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, everyone, Welcome to these packs puck. I'm Madison Packer.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And I'm Anya Packer. Madison and I are both former
pro hockey players. We met through hockey and fell in love,
and now we're married with two awesome toddlers, ages two
and four.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
These days, we're opening up about the chaos of our
daily lives, between the juggle of being athletes, raising kids and.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
All the messiness in between. So buckle the puck up
because there is a lot to talk about. Oh, good morning, Madison.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Hello, I like that.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Good morning, my dear. It is morning. The sun is shining.
So sleepy, you're sleepy. How you doing besides being very sleepy?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm good. I'm tired, but good. I did my first
private lesson today. Let's go. We started doing some private
lessons to get back into a little bit of hockey.
It was fun. She really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I love getting back into hockey. That leads me right
into my hockey hot take, which I fear you're gonna love.
So we're not gonna argue, but I think there's a
better way to do this hockey hot take. We're gonna
add a little structure to it. But are you ready
for my hockey hot take.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Hockey hot take.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
My hockey hot take is that hockey lingo is elite?
Do we say things on this podcast that people don't
understand one hundred percent? Yes, we aim to explain it.
Now we're gonna talk all things hockey lingo. I'm gonna
give you a slang term. They're gonna give me the definition.
I'm gonna use it in a sentence.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I like this, and I'm actually, I'll admit, you use
hockey lingo more than I do. Maybe it's a Boston
thing or just like I don't know you thing, so
I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I'm a chirper, So speaking of hockey lingo, I love
to chirp. You aren't so much like you're obviously much
more like I'm gonna score in your face. I much
more lived in the world of chirping. I just used
it in context, but explain what a chirp is.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Chirp is like smack talking, Like do you have good chirps?
A little bit of smack talk on the ice?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, yes, correct dinging, all right, I'm gonna give you
another one.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Flamingo Ooh, Flamingo is when you typically are trying to
block a shot and you lift one leg up in
the air rather than dropping down to a knee and
doing it the right way.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I don't know if dropping down to a knee is
the correct way to do it. However, Flamingo, if Madison
was to block a shot or try quote quote, because
Flamingo's never blocked any shots, You're very easy to shoot
around as a defender. I can say that with one
hundred percent confidence. But if she picks a leg up,
you'd be like, nice, Flamingo. So this is where you
use the terp. How about beautician. I have no idea
(02:38):
what that is a beautician? A beauty.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Oh, if someone's a beauty, they're just like they have
good style, like they're a good teammate, like they're just
like an unreal person personality players. Beautician is a phenomenal
Like God, I loved her. She was such a beautician.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I remember her. She was a beauty out there. And
that is how you're gonna use that term. How about
a bottle rocket If you shoot the puck and it
hits the bottle off the back of the net. Yes,
extra points for if someone like here's context, Madison scored
in a filthy bottle rocket and then drank from the
goalie's water. An elite celebration. All right, let's try, let's try. Duster.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Duster is someone who has no style, maybe someone who's
playing some beer league, not much talent, not much style,
Like they're a.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Duster, just real dust.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Bro Also also can be used in a chirp to
insult someone.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Correct because I was also going to say, you could
use it for a benchwarmer, like someone that doesn't get
out there a lot, They collect a lot of dust.
They're a duster. So out on the ice, if you
see someone who's on maybe the fourth line, they don't
get out that often, you can say, hey, dust, how
you doing out here? You ready? All right?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Muffin A muffin is a bad shot or a bad
pass that flutters like it's not it's not what you
wanted it to be. It's you just kind of like
lob it in at the goalie, or you don't get
as much on it as you want.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You call that a muffin, muffin, muff a baker, someone
throws a lot of muffins. All of that. It lives
in that world and can absolutely be used as a chirp. Also,
sometimes you score on a muff, like you have no idea, right,
you just like kind of shoot it in there and
that muffin ends up going in You call that one?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
What are you looking at me like that for? You
don't like the term muff because you're a pervert.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
You scroll on a muff. Good day all around anyway?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
All right?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
How about this sweater? What's sweater? Sweater? Weather?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Another word for jersey is sweater exactly?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
How about yard sale?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I have no idea what that one means. I would
think like, you lose all your gear.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
You don't know what a yard sail is. You get
blown up. Which is blown up? Is getting hit? You
get blown up, the helmet maybe comes off, the gloves
go somewhere, the sticks stick somewhere else. Oh, that's a
yard sale.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I've honestly never seen have in hockey in like a
game that I've not in a game that I've played in.
I don't think, like, you know how hard you have
to get hit to lose your helmet and gloves and.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well howmet's crazy? But I think like a glove and
a stick is usually like constitutes a yard sale. Yeah,
so you'll be like, hey, how much did you make
on that yard sale. That's a good chirp. That's funny objectively.
What about a sieve?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
A sieve is uh chirp used for a goalie to
like get in their head or they get scored on,
or like sometimes the fans will like chance at the
goalie like sieve shive shive because another term for the
goalie trying.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
To is you know, the sifting sieve, like what you do.
It has a lot of holes in it, so a
lot of goals go in. That goalie is a sieve.
How about the term lettuce.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Lettuce hair definition for someone's hair, Like if they've got
good style, you call their hair lettuce.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, they got lettuce. Lip Lettuce is a muzzy, is
a mustache. They got good flow, They have good lettuce.
That is your hair. We are talking about your hair.
There's no lettuce, there's no salad.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Use it in a sentence. God, that guy's got a
good head of lettuce. The best lettuce in all of
hockey is the Minnesota state high school Oh yeah, like
state championships. These kids skate full seats to the blue
line and they like whip their hair back and it flows.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah. The lettuce is like the quaffed hairdo that once
you put your helmet on and like get sweaty and gross.
It's disgusting, but it's gorgeous. It still flows. The hockey
flow is like what flips out of the under of
a helmet or what flips out of the under of
a hat? All right? Cool? What about a hoser?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
A hoser is another chirp that you can use, typically
referring to the zamboni driver, like hosing down the zamboni
or hosing down the ice. So you call someone who
doesn't get much ice timer who you think isn't good,
like a hoser, like, oh, you're only on the team
to hose down the zamboni in the rink at the
end of the day.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
That's exactly right. So you could be like this hoser
tried to come at me and I was like, buddy,
go pound sand. That's a great sentence to use. Hoser
in Gong show.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Gong show exactly what it sounds like, Just like an
absolute shit show. If someone is a Gong show, like
they're a mass a disaster. If the game is a
Gong show. It's just like everything that could have gone
wrong went wrong. Barn Burner, the barn burner is like
a really good game. Like the game was like really intense.
(07:31):
The crowd was into it, like you're at a barn
is another term for rink, so like you're in a
packed building and it just was like a great atmosphere,
great game, great everything.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Everything about it is amazing. So you can be like,
did you go to the barn burner last night? It
was out of control? The score was six five team
one in ot. I'd say the game that we played
against each other when you guys were the military appreciation
games and came back six goals unanswered on a five
to zero like third period was a barn burner if
you were a Ribs fan, I guess, but either way,
that was a barn burner. All right. Cheese top cheese, cheddar.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Top shelf, Like if you score, if you put the
puck like under the bar, score a really nice goal,
top cheese.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yep, top shelf. That one went top cheese, easy snipe,
top cheese. That's all going to talk about. A goal
that goes right upstairs on the goalie shoulders, anything that
you're gonna explain when the puck is going, you know,
up to the top of the net. And down. Similarly,
what's bar down.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Exactly what it sounds like when the puck goes and
hits the crossbar and goes down and in. We call
that bar down.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Bar down, bar diesel, bar dog. You can use any
d word after bar in somebody from a hockey world,
we'll know you're talking about a bar down. I think
bar diesel is my favorite because it's ridiculous and stupid.
My last one, one of my favorites. I mean, there's
one hundred more, but dangle, give me dangle.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Dangle is a really nice hockey move. So if you
like undress some one, meaning you make them look silly
and maybe like get them all crisscrossed and whatever, nice
silky move with your hands, that's a dang.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Dangle. Dangles when you deep or decoy somebody. You're usually
a dangles on either a goalie or a defender. Right,
a forward, we'll pull a nice dangle you actually like,
typically will call it a tow drag. Right, but like,
you'll see a forward come down, pull the puck with
the toe of their stick, come across their body and
then be able to move around some party pretty seamlessly.
That's a dangle to use it in a sentence, just
(09:30):
to put a bow on this conversation. Madison dangled me
so hard one time that I got benched for three
games when we were playing against one another. You're welcome.
I love that. That's it. The hockey terms are stupid.
I think it's hilarious, and I think that we use
dumb words to explain dumb things. It's hilarious. Actually, So
that's hockey terminology, hockey one oh one. Best to say
(09:52):
it with a Minnesotan or Canadian accent. There's really no
other way. Close the book on that. And we'll get
into our check in because this weekend we went on
an impromptu, a little dity date, and so I want
to get into it. But let's run the numbers pack.
How you do it from one to one hundred.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I'm like a seventy one.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Really, it's alarmingly high for how tired I think you are.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Oh yeah, it's only because I'm tired.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That's the only thing bringing you down.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I got to go on the ice and play some
hockey today. I'm going to boxing in a little bit.
I am hopeful that I'm going to be able to
sneak a little nappy nap in ooh, and so yeah,
if tired is the worst thing that's happening, you're.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
A Okay, that's amazing. I am heading on a work trip.
So every time I have to go on a work trip,
I have like a list of to dos that gets
really long. So I'm a little bit stressed out. I
would say I'm probably kicking it at like the same.
I think I'm a seventy. I feel good.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Ooh, I like that.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
But we just went on a date, actually, so I
probably am a little higher. That was so much fun.
On Friday night, I surprised you tickets to the WNBA
Connecticut Sun versus the New York Liberty in Connecticut, which
only meant we had seven hundred hours of traffic to
get there. But we got there. We had a nice dinner.
Brought me through it.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
That meal was fire. The food was delicious, and we
did like a little sampler situation of like every appetizer
on the menu, which I love when we're in that mood.
The muscles were incredible. But I've been getting more adventurous
with food a little bit lately, so I think I've
been more fun because we've been able to share.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
More things so for everybody. Instead of getting pasta with
meat sauce, Madison got cuccio pepe and she said, wow,
this is adventurous.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Okay, it was a little peppery for me and you
didn't even like it. I ate muscles.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
The muscles are fire, So muscles are just a vehicle
for like the sauce as well.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, the one knock was that the bread wasn't very good.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
The bread was not what we were expecting. And then
we went to the game, sat court side as we
typically do, and that was I I love the Connecticut
Sun court side experience because it is very chilled. I
would say it's not like like sometimes you go to
other arenas with other you know, people in said community,
and it's like very influencer forward, very not about the
(12:13):
basketball game, very like you know, chaotic. There's a bunch
of like you know, staffers walking back and forth the
whole time. The security is out of control. Just doesn't
make you feel like you're welcome. I feel very welcome
in the Connecticut Sun arena. Yeah, but we got pretty
into the tea because the Connecticut Sun has like the
most salacious possible story right now, and I think it's hilarious.
(12:35):
It's is Marina Maybriy and Senia Rivers dating, and I
had you pretty deep on social media mid game in
the lore of what's happening.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I think it's true.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I love that. I think listen, I think it's true.
If they are or if they're not, that's totally fine.
Sid Colson and TP have a new podcast and they
talk about it, and they were literally going on and
on and they were like, if it's not, they just
need to keep playing the bit. And I think the
bit is hilarious. So they post on socials together, they
do dances together, like, doesn't matter what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's yeah, a teams social.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Team admins on it. That's hilarious. All that to say,
we got pretty deep into the game, and then the
Connecticut Sun won, which was actually kind of bonkers. Stewie
wasn't there, but Connecticut pulled out the win and we
were happy girls. Facts. So this date was a part
of I think an evolving process where I'm trying to
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be a better spouse, I'm trying to be a better listener,
I'm trying to be you know, better for all of
the right reasons, and and we talk about it this episode.
So this is an episode between the two of us.
We get into a pretty deep conversation where we talk
about how things have been going in this situation, marriage, situation.
(13:55):
I like to say that this situation.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Whatever, this agreement we have is.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I like this, let's say sometimes that you're my girlfriend,
because I think that's really funny. But we talk about
how we're still connected, how we deal with kids, how
we go through the cycles and seasons of our marriage
and still somewhat come to a place where we like
to date each other. We choose each other, we show
up for each other, So never stop dating your wife.
(14:21):
We'll get into more about this situation ship next.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So we have another very exciting I love these episodes,
solo episode just Onya and I and this week we
are going to talk about something that we are still
living through and has taken us a while to figure out.
But finding yourself again both as individuals and as a
(15:01):
unit in our relationship once having kids. I think it's important.
I think a lot of people struggle with that. I
think that we've seen it. People come out and say
that that's the reason that sometimes relationships don't work out.
I mean, the kids are five and three, and I
feel like in the last two weeks we've like really skyrocketed,
and at least for me, it's always coming back to
(15:23):
right Like when we first met, we knew we wanted
to have kids early, we wanted to be young parents,
We wanted our kids to experience some of the exciting
things that were going on, and so we just dove
two feet in and we kind of have just like
figured it out every day as we've gone and a
lot of that fell on you at first, and then
me being home, we've started to figure that out more well.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think it's also incredibly topical because five years after
having a baby, they always say, like there's periods of
your marriage that will be really rough, and not really
rough because your marriage doesn't work, but because it's a
tough time, and so there's like these apex times that
things are just brutal. And I joke, like I joke
when I talk about you behind your back, I joke,
(16:02):
I might not like my wife right now, we might
be like in conflict, but I love her forever, Like
You're always gonna be my wife. You're always gonna be
the person I choose if I'm fighting with anybody, I'd
rather be fighting with you. And so I find that,
like three years and five years into this parenting thing,
that's when big issues come up, right, like are we
gonna parent this way or that way? Are we gonna
(16:24):
do what you did when you were grow up or
I did when I was growing up? Like, we have
all these different factors and we have to really navigate them,
and I think more recently we're navigating them better. Now.
I'm gonna point to three things that I'm doing. Is
I've recommitted to myself, my space, and my tone. I
(16:44):
hope you can appreciate the third, right, But like for me,
and we say this in every different context, but like
if my mental health isn't strong and I don't like myself,
I make decisions that aren't good for anybody. So I'm
doing things in that bucket. And then I'm recommitting to
our space. It's not nice when our house isn't clean,
Like you keep the house clean enough to eat off
(17:05):
the floor. But everyone's a little bit lighter when the
house is clean, or when the projects are done, or
when there's a plan. And then my tone, I can
certainly get annoyed, but it's almost always not you it's
almost always something else, and you're my anyways person. Explain
(17:26):
anyways to everybody. I know it's my thing, but it's
our thing.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
So this was pre getting married, but it was kind
of cute because we both we wrote our own vows
for our wedding and we both put it in our
vows as like the last thing we said is I
love you always and I love you anyways. When you
get out of the honeymoon phase of dating and you
start to try to navigate, Okay, this is actually a
(17:52):
person that I could see myself spending the rest of
my life with. And like, we went through a lot
in our first few years together, right, Like we had
a lot of loss, we had a lot of trauma,
and in a lot of that one or both of
us wasn't always the best version of ourselves. And you
actually said it first though, you were like, like, I
(18:14):
don't even remember what it was, but it was something
where I just wasn't like I was really down and
maybe it was after my grandma died or like something,
but I just was depressed and unmotivated. And you said, Mattie,
I love you always, but I also love you anyways,
and like I accept you every part of you, which
is like the core foundation of marriage, right, And I've
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definitely felt that more than ever in the last nine months.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Well, I think it's one of those things that might
be the reason that through all of it we constantly
stay really strong. Is like the same sentiment is I
don't like you, but I do love you. Is there's
definitely times where your actions make me feel like or
my actions might make you feel it's not a one
way street, right, but like the actions might not feel
(18:59):
like there's a bunch of love there, but I love
you anyways.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Like when I throw away all your clothes because I
think it's a good will pilege.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yes, yes, Like when you take my one thousand dollars
Jeanes that I never should have bought ever, ever, ever
and donate them.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I did do that though.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's awful, and that really did happen. I will point
to when the Riveters were no longer before the New League,
in the Morning of the Riveters. There is a whole
part of me that died on that day too, And
in that moment you had a lot of internal turmoil,
and for that reason you couldn't see my pain as well.
(19:36):
We had a big conflict where we were almost having
this argument of like who's more hurt instead of being like,
we're both hurt and we love each other anyways, and
it's not a competition of pain. It's just the shittiest
situation ever and we're all just trying to make it through.
You walking out of that was truly walking through mud.
(19:57):
And I loved you anyways, and it was really real
messy at that point in our relationship. And I think
in that time I wasn't watching my tone in that time,
I was really pissed off. So while we loved each
other and we were gonna make it through, I don't
think the kindness was there for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
It's hard to do though, and especially like most people
don't have, you know, their chest beating love tied to
their significant other. You know, we have this uniqueness where
the thing that I built is the thing that you built.
The love that you've had your whole life is my
love of my life, and that's the unifier in our marriage.
But it's not the only thing that makes us like
each other. So we had to really figure that out,
(20:37):
Like we had to figure that out in that moment.
Did we love each other anyways, Or did I love
Madison the hockey player and did you love Anya the
hockey player? And then you became Madison the something else
and I became Anya the something else in that exact moment.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, I agree, And I think that I don't. I
don't really have the same like three buckets that you have.
I think that my biggest thing is like post retirement,
we traveled a lot and it took a while for
life to catch up to me kind of. So for me,
I think the biggest thing is shout out to doctor Joe.
I have gone back to therapy with Baker Street. They're
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the absolute best. I just realized that I needed to
get some extra help and needed to tap into some
tools or add some tools to my box that I
didn't have. Like this is literally the first time in
my life that I'm trying to live my life without
having like the label of hockey player attached to me.
So one going back to therapy and two also learning
(21:37):
how to be more present because like, the only time
I've ever been a parent is while I'm playing and
it hits you like a freight train. And I think
that I've been a lot better at it since going
to therapy because I have a lot more patience. But
like the elephant in the room is you are inherently
selfish as a professional athlete. I was going to say
that because you have to be and the people around
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you support you to enable you to be successful, and
it's not until you're removed from that world that you're like,
oh my goodness. All of this was going on while
I was in the ice bath or at the gym,
and like, for me, the gym is like my chapel.
It's my safe space, and that's one thing that you
have always given me. And even when I retired, I
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took like a couple of weeks off and I'm just like, no,
I can't. Like I immediately started boxing and I still
every single day. You give that to me because I
need that. And when I wasn't doing that, and then
I would like, I was like I had all these
freedoms to party to this, to that, Like I realized
that the one thing that like really truly kept me
grounded was going to the gym and getting that mental release.
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So I think those are you know, the therapy and
just like learning how to be more present with our
kids because the kids are also literally the best thing
that's ever happened to me. And they're so excited now
that I'm home. Every time I walk in the door,
they're so excited, and they're just like they're still kind
of getting used to having us both home all the time,
and it's like overwhelming, but it's also the best thing
in the whole world. I also think it's uniquely special,
(23:04):
like we are fortunate enough that we have schedules and
jobs and opportunities that allow us to both be so
present with our kids. They've never known any different and
they probably won't have to, So I just think that
it's like given me a whole new perspective.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
But it is okay, I will say, the come down
effect of being able to be one hundred percent selfish
and again, like your body is your temple, it's your job.
It is you putting in extra hours at your job.
But when I let you sleep in, or when I
you know, when I would hero it all around, or
when I would do dinner in bed and breakfast and
blah blah blah so that you could recover, recuperate, train,
(23:41):
go here, go there. Like there's a lot of angst
in that relationship because I feel like I work for you,
and I still had to have a job.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I still had to do.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I still had to be somebody else's boss.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I had to do.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
So then to feel like this weird relationship dynamic was
so frustrating, but also I fully get it, like I
never resented you, but it was an angsty dynamic.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Well, and I think too, like the deal always was
you took it on the chin and you full board
like stepped back, supported me to the end of my career.
But the deal always kind of was like when I retired,
there would be a grace period where then like you
could full throttle because you are incredibly accomplished, great at
your job, like a rising star in the tech world
(24:30):
with Gardner, and you've kind of not held back or
ben held back, but in a lot of ways, yeah,
like you said no to certain things and you passed
up opportunities because it was better for our family dynamic
for you to have a lesser role or whatever. And
then when I retired and we were like, okay, well
we have kind of this like November December right, like
we had like the holiday where we could travel, and
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then the new year hit and then you got promoted
and then it was like, Okay, well you have to
travel here, there and everywhere. I was by myself with
the kids like three months, and I think that that
like me having no period to adjust and ease into that,
you being gone so much, us feeling super disconnected, me
being super depressed, not being in our space, traveling all over,
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sharing space with my in laws because we were with
your parents. Like it just was all of this compounding stuff.
And then we finally got home in May and we
were like, hold on, like you need to go to therapy.
I need to like reevaluate and check in, and like
we came together and we were like, this is a
sinking ship that's going nowhere, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
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a lot of those check ins, like you could tell.
I mean, I was happy to be down in Florida,
but like I missed you and I felt like I
was drowning, and you felt unsupported and like unappreciated because
like you had done this all and it's not like tit.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
For tap, but it's like it's hard to not go
there though. It is really hard to not be like, oh, well,
you didn't call me when you had to go to
Minnesota Toronto. And then Montreal for twelve days in a row,
like it is hard not to play that card. But
I understood because in those moments I was drowning too.
I think that's the hardest thing about where we're at
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now versus where we were before is the one upping.
And this is why I like kind of said tone
like the one upping has gone away. Instead of me
being like, oh, yeah, I had blah blah blah, I
can be like, hey, it's a little frustrating when this happens.
Can it just happen like this next time. I don't
need to explain to you when you pissed me off.
What I need to do is tell you how not
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to piss me off again in a way that is
understandable because I'm pretty sure, Like last night, you didn't
know my known travel or ID number and you had
to book a flight for me. And I said, that's
frustrating to me because I have years in my notes, app,
I know everything about you.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Okay, but in my defense, I've never booked a flight
for you before.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Right, But my point is the invisible labor of it
is clear to me that it's starting to be shared,
and that becomes really helpful so while again we're not perfect,
I promise you will fight probably in the next weak
will find something. I think it's really important that we
both have been in a better space to say get
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away from me. I'm in a bad mood and I
and I fully respect when you're like, hey, can I
just go watch my show? I really don't want to talk.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
That's the other thing that like, so two things. One
I'm unpacking in my therapy that you are shaped by
all these things in life, including trauma, whether remembered, known, unknown,
et cetera. And I have this like perpetual habit of
I'm an EmPATH. I'm very empathetic despite people thinking that
I'm an absolute jerk, and I constantly like, if you're
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bothered or upset, like I can't I'm like, what's wrong
did I do? I just automatically assume like I did
something to upset you what I do? And I'm like,
I can tell something's wrong, like, and it like gives
me anxiety for like to feel like you're upset with me,
because I just want everything to be okay and I
don't want to feel like there's a problem, and I
don't want people to be upset by with me, which
is so funny because I was like such a shit
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disturber when I played. But like, I really feel that,
Like I like, it really bothers me if someone feels
hurt or upset or wronged by me, because that's never
my intention. And so you and I have a lot
of that back and forth where you're just like my, god,
lay off it, lady, Like I am fine. I just
need some space. But also I don't like being alone.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
No, you're not an alone gal.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I don't want to be alone. I just want like quiet.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Here's a scenario that you would love. I've learned to love,
but when we first started dating was very annoying to me.
You like to have your headphones in and your iPad
watching a show in our bedroom with your foot touching
my foot, but not including me in any way, shape
or form to what you're currently doing.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Not all the time.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
You like your alone time with me and your space.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I like my alone time with nothing in my space.
I like my alone time when I go to yoga.
I like my alone time when I could turn my
phone off and not think about it. And it's not
because I don't love you. It's because I love to
invest my time in me and then I feel like
I come back and I'm better.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I will get in bed and rub your back and
you will literally slap my head.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Don't touch me. I don't want to be touched.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
So in all of this, what we found is that
there was a huge void right in, like I said,
in being gone and coming back. So for other people
who might be feeling that way, one of the biggest
things that's helped us, in my opinion, is the structure
and the schedule. It fluctuates, right, But Monday we have
the nanny. I get to go to boxing class. You
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go to the gym now and we have the whole
day like for you to do the stuff you need
to do for work, me work, nanny Tuesday, same structure.
I get to go to my boxing, you get to
go to the gym. We have the nanny. Tuesday nights
you go to yoga. So Monday nights I go to
my boxing class and you put the kids to bed.
Tonight I'll put the kids to bed. Tomorrow you have
to go to the so I'm with the kids all
day and we join like a gym that has a
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splash pad and like all this fun stuff. So we
have like activities now where it's not just like by
the seat of our pants trying to figure it out.
Thursday nanny boxing class, and then Friday is the new
and becoming date day. We're bringing back date night for
the first time, and this is like a full date day.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yes, And I also live and die by my calendar,
So if you tell me something and it's not put
in my calendar, I will not remember it and you
will feel like I don't care. So I think that's
the other thing about all of this is you have
to figure out the other person's communication structure because you
I'll say this with love, but you like when I
intrinsically know, like you like to just have me know,
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to have me think about it without you having to
say it. I don't operate that way. I'm much more binary,
and like, if you say it, I will do it.
If it's on my calendar, it happens like I'm not
so great with just the entrench acknowledge that you want
to go on a date.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Then on the flip side, you also have to be
more clear, so like it creates this conversation where you
and I are like reassessing what love we want to receive,
what love language we have. I think that shit is
very hard because I want to do what's comfortable for me.
I am selfish in that I want to love the
way I love and receive the love that I expect
to receive. And I think everyone feels that way, like,
(31:25):
isn't the love that I'm giving enough? And the answer
is yes, but it's just misplaced in the way that
we give it to one another. And I think we're
getting better at that. Yeah, ten years into this relationship,
eight years into this relationship, we can start to be like,
you're doing that weird thing again and I don't like it,
so let's change course.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, I think that that's true. I think it's just
like maturing and again back to when we first dated.
And I think that this is hugely important because I
think that it doesn't happen a lot, and when you
and I first started dating, we didn't travel a ton.
We spend a lot of time really getting to know
each other, like our values and like each other's families,
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really getting to know each other. And I feel like
that was hugely important because we knew from day one,
these are the most important things to this person, and
we both had been in long relationships that we had
recently gotten out of before we came together. And I
think that that was also on the mind of like
wanting to have kids.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
We had a checklist. Each of us came with a
different checklist. I literally we joke about it.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
There is nothing that will happen that will make me
not want to spend the rest of my life with you,
because we did so much work in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
We also had to go to counseling to have kids,
which is bullshit, Like if a same sex couple has
to do it, everyone had to do it.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
We shouldn't just let me children out into the world.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
No, but but I think everyone should have redo it.
No no, no, great, like yeah, but to only make
some people do it, Like, but I think that that.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Also helped us.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Like we had a lot of we had a lot
of hard conversations early as we come to these things
in life, like it has gotten difficult because like, you know,
I was going through stuff when I retired, You were
going through stuff postpartum. But like, imagine us going through
all those things with out having had these conversations, And like,
I think that that's where people get to right.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
And so you want to hear my flip side to
the same argument. Yes, I feel like there are times
where we can feel very like business in this relationship
because of all the things that you're saying. And so
I think some of the conflict that we have is
like we misplay. Like we didn't have a lot of
play in our relationship. We had, you know, hockey, which
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we were business associated. We had buying a house, we
had this like checklist of things. We had this like
very clear path, and we had dates and times like
I sometimes feel like our challenge is we don't have
a lot of like like memories that we can recall
that are truly playful because we became parents really quickly.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
And so girl, I can give you playful Please breathe,
please take a deep breath.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
But I'm saying like I think that that's also a
part of our story, is like as we get older
and you know, knock on all the wood in this
entire home, hopefully retire early, have all the things, is
like find all the success everything. We'll almost go through
this like redating period that everyone says that they go
through when their kids turn eighteen and leave their house,
but where we get to play, and I look forward
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to that so much. And if I'm still looking forward
to that, then this is the relationship for me, right,
Like when I start to find myself dreading moments where
we can play and have fun and joke around and
have levity, Like I always say, I just want things
to be easy, Like I like that when we have
conflict we can really get through it, or we get
in a big fight and then like we get over it.
But those moments that we have play are so refreshing
(34:34):
because I almost feel like it's fun. Yeah, we have
we can have fun, Like I think that some people
just don't recognize, especially in our dynamic, how much our
relationship is a business agreement and then finding play in there,
which is super hard.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
And also the recognition that we like want to do
these things with our kids, right like working really hard
at a young age so that we can do all
these fun things with our kids when our art like
be able to travel while we while we're young and
bring our kids to do things while they're young but
old enough to remember, Like right, I mean, like that's fun.
(35:09):
But we're going to Disney World next year for the
third time, like what kids don't do that? I know,
but like it's just fun, Like like having opportunity with
our We're both from fortunate families, right where were those
kinds of opportunities present themselves? But like getting to do
all those things with our kids, Like it's I mean,
if we didn't have kids, what would be going to
Disney World by ourselves? Like that time we went to
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Legoland that was weird.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Listen. I think at the end of the day, we
can we can both agree. There were certainly times where
it's hard to like each other. I think not acknowledging
that elephant in the room is really ignorant. But we're
starting to figure out the little things that make this
dynamic work. So while we're on this journey at these packs,
(35:54):
Puck and you hear us talk about all the stupid
stuff that goes on in our life. No that while
we are we're about to kill each other, we are
never ever going to not love each other. And I
think that that's really important. So I appreciated this conversation.
Thank you for lobbing it up. It was fun and
it reminds me that we should have a little bit
more fun and be okay with it being a little messy,
(36:15):
but not messy, not messy dirty, don't worry, not messy dirty,
just generally typical form.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
We always end with advice, OH, do something a little different.
On this episode, since it's just you and I for
listeners and for people who maybe want to practice this
exercise at home, we are going to close out with
one thing that we appreciate about the other. Oh, I
will say one thing that I appreciate about you in
this current era of working on ourselves and working on
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our family, and you will share one thing that you
appreciate about me. I appreciate it well first or second.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I would like to go a second, okay, because I
want to know how what you're going to say.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I appreciate the space and grace you've been giving me.
I think that at times I can be a bit much,
and I recognize that I like my space the way
I like my space. I can be overwhelming and overbearing,
and I have noticed that as of late, you have
been taking it with a grain of salt and recognizing
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that I am working through a lot of things to
better myself, for me and for us, and so I
appreciate you working alongside of me and giving me space
to do that.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yo, I appreciate you appreciating that, because that is a
very difficult.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I appreciate you appreciating me appreciating you.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I just can do like the Spider Man meme where
we all just point to each other. Now, thank you
for saying that. I will say that. The thing I
appreciate of you in this moment of transition is clarity,
because I have a really hard time. Like I said,
you like to receive love in a way that feels presumptuous,
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like I've thought about you in advance, and I've done
this really elaborate thing, and like, yes, can I do that? Sure,
I'm not a robot, but it helps me a lot
when you say I want it to look like this,
or it's helpful to me if you do this and
then giving me something that's really like tangible that I
can show up for. I understand that that's probably loving
(38:11):
with kid gloves, but I appreciate that you love me
through that and give me that clarity and transparency because
I can certainly get into a transactional relationship pretty quickly
because it's easy for me to be like check done, yes, okay,
good moving on knowing that about me and then giving
me the clarity to be like I'd like to watch
TV today, I'd like to start a new show. I'm
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not going to do this thing without you because I
want you to come along this journey with me makes
it really fun, and I appreciate who you're being for me.
So while you go through the unearthing of traumas, I've
done that in therapy only seven hundred and fifty thousand times.
It's super uncomfortable. So I also appreciate you taking the
mental time and energy to check in on yourself. I
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can tell every day that you are starting to become
more comfortable with the things that have shaped you into
who you are today, things about you I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Well, this has been fun and oddly therapeutic.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Now we're in a love fest. I can't wait to
go to yoga tonight, and you have those kids by yourself. Anyway,
thank you all for listening. I hope that everybody can
pull out a little nugget they can share and love
and love their partner better. This is a big love fest,
So we'll leave you on that. We love you, Thank
you for listening, and you'll hear from us next week.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
That's it for this week.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Thanks for listening, and if you like what you heard,
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Speaker 1 (39:36):
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helps until next week. I'm Madison Packer and.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I'm Anya Packer, and this was These Packs Puck.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
These Packs Puck is a production of iHeart Women's Sports
and Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. It's hosted by us
Madison and Anya Packer. Emily Meronoff is our senior producer
and story editor. Are mixed and mastered by Mary dew.
Our executive producers are Jennifer Bassett, Jesse Katz, and Ally Perry.
Hi, everyone, Welcome to these packs puck. I'm Madison Packer.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And I'm Anya Packer. Madison and I are both former
pro hockey players. We met through hockey and fell in love,
and now we're married with two awesome toddlers, ages two
and four.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
These days, we're opening up about the chaos of our
daily lives, between the juggle of being athletes, raising kids and.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
All the messiness in between. So buckle the puck up
because there is a lot to talk about. Oh, good morning, Madison.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Hello, I like that.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Good morning, my dear. It is morning. The sun is shining.
So sleepy, you're sleepy. How you doing besides being very sleepy?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm good. I'm tired, but good. I did my first
private lesson today. Let's go. We started doing some private
lessons to get back into a little bit of hockey.
It was fun. She really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I love getting back into hockey. That leads me right
into my hockey hot take, which I fear you're gonna love.
So we're not gonna argue, but I think there's a
better way to do this hockey hot take. We're gonna
add a little structure to it. But are you ready
for my hockey hot take.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Hockey hot take.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
My hockey hot take is that hockey lingo is elite?
Do we say things on this podcast that people don't
understand one hundred percent? Yes, we aim to explain it.
Now we're gonna talk all things hockey lingo. I'm gonna
give you a slang term. They're gonna give me the definition.
I'm gonna use it in a sentence.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I like this, and I'm actually, I'll admit, you use
hockey lingo more than I do. Maybe it's a Boston
thing or just like I don't know you thing, so
I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I'm a chirper, So speaking of hockey lingo, I love
to chirp. You aren't so much like you're obviously much
more like I'm gonna score in your face. I much
more lived in the world of chirping. I just used
it in context, but explain what a chirp is.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Chirp is like smack talking, Like do you have good chirps?
A little bit of smack talk on the ice?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, yes, correct dinging, all right, I'm gonna give you
another one.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Flamingo Ooh, Flamingo is when you typically are trying to
block a shot and you lift one leg up in
the air rather than dropping down to a knee and
doing it the right way.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I don't know if dropping down to a knee is
the correct way to do it. However, Flamingo, if Madison
was to block a shot or try quote quote, because
Flamingo's never blocked any shots, You're very easy to shoot
around as a defender. I can say that with one
hundred percent confidence. But if she picks a leg up,
you'd be like, nice, Flamingo. So this is where you
use the terp. How about beautician. I have no idea
(02:38):
what that is a beautician? A beauty.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Oh, if someone's a beauty, they're just like they have
good style, like they're a good teammate, like they're just
like an unreal person personality players. Beautician is a phenomenal
Like God, I loved her. She was such a beautician.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I remember her. She was a beauty out there. And
that is how you're gonna use that term. How about
a bottle rocket If you shoot the puck and it
hits the bottle off the back of the net. Yes,
extra points for if someone like here's context, Madison scored
in a filthy bottle rocket and then drank from the
goalie's water. An elite celebration. All right, let's try, let's try. Duster.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Duster is someone who has no style, maybe someone who's
playing some beer league, not much talent, not much style,
Like they're a.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Duster, just real dust.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Bro Also also can be used in a chirp to
insult someone.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Correct because I was also going to say, you could
use it for a benchwarmer, like someone that doesn't get
out there a lot, They collect a lot of dust.
They're a duster. So out on the ice, if you
see someone who's on maybe the fourth line, they don't
get out that often, you can say, hey, dust, how
you doing out here? You ready? All right?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Muffin A muffin is a bad shot or a bad
pass that flutters like it's not it's not what you
wanted it to be. It's you just kind of like
lob it in at the goalie, or you don't get
as much on it as you want.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You call that a muffin, muffin, muff a baker, someone
throws a lot of muffins. All of that. It lives
in that world and can absolutely be used as a chirp. Also,
sometimes you score on a muff, like you have no idea, right,
you just like kind of shoot it in there and
that muffin ends up going in You call that one?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
What are you looking at me like that for? You
don't like the term muff because you're a pervert.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
You scroll on a muff. Good day all around anyway?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
All right?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
How about this sweater? What's sweater? Sweater? Weather?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Another word for jersey is sweater exactly?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
How about yard sale?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I have no idea what that one means. I would
think like, you lose all your gear.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
You don't know what a yard sail is. You get
blown up. Which is blown up? Is getting hit? You
get blown up, the helmet maybe comes off, the gloves
go somewhere, the sticks stick somewhere else. Oh, that's a
yard sale.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I've honestly never seen have in hockey in like a
game that I've not in a game that I've played in.
I don't think, like, you know how hard you have
to get hit to lose your helmet and gloves and.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well howmet's crazy? But I think like a glove and
a stick is usually like constitutes a yard sale. Yeah,
so you'll be like, hey, how much did you make
on that yard sale. That's a good chirp. That's funny objectively.
What about a sieve?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
A sieve is uh chirp used for a goalie to
like get in their head or they get scored on,
or like sometimes the fans will like chance at the
goalie like sieve shive shive because another term for the
goalie trying.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
To is you know, the sifting sieve, like what you do.
It has a lot of holes in it, so a
lot of goals go in. That goalie is a sieve.
How about the term lettuce.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Lettuce hair definition for someone's hair, Like if they've got
good style, you call their hair lettuce.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, they got lettuce. Lip Lettuce is a muzzy, is
a mustache. They got good flow, They have good lettuce.
That is your hair. We are talking about your hair.
There's no lettuce, there's no salad.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Use it in a sentence. God, that guy's got a
good head of lettuce. The best lettuce in all of
hockey is the Minnesota state high school Oh yeah, like
state championships. These kids skate full seats to the blue
line and they like whip their hair back and it flows.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah. The lettuce is like the quaffed hairdo that once
you put your helmet on and like get sweaty and gross.
It's disgusting, but it's gorgeous. It still flows. The hockey
flow is like what flips out of the under of
a helmet or what flips out of the under of
a hat? All right? Cool? What about a hoser?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
A hoser is another chirp that you can use, typically
referring to the zamboni driver, like hosing down the zamboni
or hosing down the ice. So you call someone who
doesn't get much ice timer who you think isn't good,
like a hoser, like, oh, you're only on the team
to hose down the zamboni in the rink at the
end of the day.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
That's exactly right. So you could be like this hoser
tried to come at me and I was like, buddy,
go pound sand. That's a great sentence to use. Hoser
in Gong show.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Gong show exactly what it sounds like, Just like an
absolute shit show. If someone is a Gong show, like
they're a mass a disaster. If the game is a
Gong show. It's just like everything that could have gone
wrong went wrong. Barn Burner, the barn burner is like
a really good game. Like the game was like really intense.
(07:31):
The crowd was into it, like you're at a barn
is another term for rink, so like you're in a
packed building and it just was like a great atmosphere,
great game, great everything.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Everything about it is amazing. So you can be like,
did you go to the barn burner last night? It
was out of control? The score was six five team
one in ot. I'd say the game that we played
against each other when you guys were the military appreciation
games and came back six goals unanswered on a five
to zero like third period was a barn burner if
you were a Ribs fan, I guess, but either way,
that was a barn burner. All right. Cheese top cheese, cheddar.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Top shelf, Like if you score, if you put the
puck like under the bar, score a really nice goal,
top cheese.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yep, top shelf. That one went top cheese, easy snipe,
top cheese. That's all going to talk about. A goal
that goes right upstairs on the goalie shoulders, anything that
you're gonna explain when the puck is going, you know,
up to the top of the net. And down. Similarly,
what's bar down.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Exactly what it sounds like when the puck goes and
hits the crossbar and goes down and in. We call
that bar down.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Bar down, bar diesel, bar dog. You can use any
d word after bar in somebody from a hockey world,
we'll know you're talking about a bar down. I think
bar diesel is my favorite because it's ridiculous and stupid.
My last one, one of my favorites. I mean, there's
one hundred more, but dangle, give me dangle.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Dangle is a really nice hockey move. So if you
like undress some one, meaning you make them look silly
and maybe like get them all crisscrossed and whatever, nice
silky move with your hands, that's a dang.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Dangle. Dangles when you deep or decoy somebody. You're usually
a dangles on either a goalie or a defender. Right,
a forward, we'll pull a nice dangle you actually like,
typically will call it a tow drag. Right, but like,
you'll see a forward come down, pull the puck with
the toe of their stick, come across their body and
then be able to move around some party pretty seamlessly.
That's a dangle to use it in a sentence, just
(09:30):
to put a bow on this conversation. Madison dangled me
so hard one time that I got benched for three
games when we were playing against one another. You're welcome.
I love that. That's it. The hockey terms are stupid.
I think it's hilarious, and I think that we use
dumb words to explain dumb things. It's hilarious. Actually, So
that's hockey terminology, hockey one oh one. Best to say
(09:52):
it with a Minnesotan or Canadian accent. There's really no
other way. Close the book on that. And we'll get
into our check in because this weekend we went on
an impromptu, a little dity date, and so I want
to get into it. But let's run the numbers pack.
How you do it from one to one hundred.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I'm like a seventy one.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Really, it's alarmingly high for how tired I think you are.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Oh yeah, it's only because I'm tired.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That's the only thing bringing you down.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I got to go on the ice and play some
hockey today. I'm going to boxing in a little bit.
I am hopeful that I'm going to be able to
sneak a little nappy nap in ooh, and so yeah,
if tired is the worst thing that's happening, you're.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
A Okay, that's amazing. I am heading on a work trip.
So every time I have to go on a work trip,
I have like a list of to dos that gets
really long. So I'm a little bit stressed out. I
would say I'm probably kicking it at like the same.
I think I'm a seventy. I feel good.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Ooh, I like that.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
But we just went on a date, actually, so I
probably am a little higher. That was so much fun.
On Friday night, I surprised you tickets to the WNBA
Connecticut Sun versus the New York Liberty in Connecticut, which
only meant we had seven hundred hours of traffic to
get there. But we got there. We had a nice dinner.
Brought me through it.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
That meal was fire. The food was delicious, and we
did like a little sampler situation of like every appetizer
on the menu, which I love when we're in that mood.
The muscles were incredible. But I've been getting more adventurous
with food a little bit lately, so I think I've
been more fun because we've been able to share.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
More things so for everybody. Instead of getting pasta with
meat sauce, Madison got cuccio pepe and she said, wow,
this is adventurous.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Okay, it was a little peppery for me and you
didn't even like it. I ate muscles.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
The muscles are fire, So muscles are just a vehicle
for like the sauce as well.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, the one knock was that the bread wasn't very good.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
The bread was not what we were expecting. And then
we went to the game, sat court side as we
typically do, and that was I I love the Connecticut
Sun court side experience because it is very chilled. I
would say it's not like like sometimes you go to
other arenas with other you know, people in said community,
and it's like very influencer forward, very not about the
(12:13):
basketball game, very like you know, chaotic. There's a bunch
of like you know, staffers walking back and forth the
whole time. The security is out of control. Just doesn't
make you feel like you're welcome. I feel very welcome
in the Connecticut Sun arena. Yeah, but we got pretty
into the tea because the Connecticut Sun has like the
most salacious possible story right now, and I think it's hilarious.
(12:35):
It's is Marina Maybriy and Senia Rivers dating, and I
had you pretty deep on social media mid game in
the lore of what's happening.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I think it's true.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I love that. I think listen, I think it's true.
If they are or if they're not, that's totally fine.
Sid Colson and TP have a new podcast and they
talk about it, and they were literally going on and
on and they were like, if it's not, they just
need to keep playing the bit. And I think the
bit is hilarious. So they post on socials together, they
do dances together, like, doesn't matter what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's yeah, a teams social.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Team admins on it. That's hilarious. All that to say,
we got pretty deep into the game, and then the
Connecticut Sun won, which was actually kind of bonkers. Stewie
wasn't there, but Connecticut pulled out the win and we
were happy girls. Facts. So this date was a part
of I think an evolving process where I'm trying to
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be a better spouse, I'm trying to be a better listener,
I'm trying to be you know, better for all of
the right reasons, and and we talk about it this episode.
So this is an episode between the two of us.
We get into a pretty deep conversation where we talk
about how things have been going in this situation, marriage, situation.
(13:55):
I like to say that this situation.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Whatever, this agreement we have is.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I like this, let's say sometimes that you're my girlfriend,
because I think that's really funny. But we talk about
how we're still connected, how we deal with kids, how
we go through the cycles and seasons of our marriage
and still somewhat come to a place where we like
to date each other. We choose each other, we show
up for each other, So never stop dating your wife.
(14:21):
We'll get into more about this situation ship next.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So we have another very exciting I love these episodes,
solo episode just Onya and I and this week we
are going to talk about something that we are still
living through and has taken us a while to figure out.
But finding yourself again both as individuals and as a
(15:01):
unit in our relationship once having kids. I think it's important.
I think a lot of people struggle with that. I
think that we've seen it. People come out and say
that that's the reason that sometimes relationships don't work out.
I mean, the kids are five and three, and I
feel like in the last two weeks we've like really skyrocketed,
and at least for me, it's always coming back to
(15:23):
right Like when we first met, we knew we wanted
to have kids early, we wanted to be young parents,
We wanted our kids to experience some of the exciting
things that were going on, and so we just dove
two feet in and we kind of have just like
figured it out every day as we've gone and a
lot of that fell on you at first, and then
me being home, we've started to figure that out more well.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think it's also incredibly topical because five years after
having a baby, they always say, like there's periods of
your marriage that will be really rough, and not really
rough because your marriage doesn't work, but because it's a
tough time, and so there's like these apex times that
things are just brutal. And I joke, like I joke
when I talk about you behind your back, I joke,
(16:02):
I might not like my wife right now, we might
be like in conflict, but I love her forever, Like
You're always gonna be my wife. You're always gonna be
the person I choose if I'm fighting with anybody, I'd
rather be fighting with you. And so I find that,
like three years and five years into this parenting thing,
that's when big issues come up, right, like are we
gonna parent this way or that way? Are we gonna
(16:24):
do what you did when you were grow up or
I did when I was growing up? Like, we have
all these different factors and we have to really navigate them,
and I think more recently we're navigating them better. Now.
I'm gonna point to three things that I'm doing. Is
I've recommitted to myself, my space, and my tone. I
(16:44):
hope you can appreciate the third, right, But like for me,
and we say this in every different context, but like
if my mental health isn't strong and I don't like myself,
I make decisions that aren't good for anybody. So I'm
doing things in that bucket. And then I'm recommitting to
our space. It's not nice when our house isn't clean,
Like you keep the house clean enough to eat off
(17:05):
the floor. But everyone's a little bit lighter when the
house is clean, or when the projects are done, or
when there's a plan. And then my tone, I can
certainly get annoyed, but it's almost always not you it's
almost always something else, and you're my anyways person. Explain
(17:26):
anyways to everybody. I know it's my thing, but it's
our thing.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
So this was pre getting married, but it was kind
of cute because we both we wrote our own vows
for our wedding and we both put it in our
vows as like the last thing we said is I
love you always and I love you anyways. When you
get out of the honeymoon phase of dating and you
start to try to navigate, Okay, this is actually a
(17:52):
person that I could see myself spending the rest of
my life with. And like, we went through a lot
in our first few years together, right, Like we had
a lot of loss, we had a lot of trauma,
and in a lot of that one or both of
us wasn't always the best version of ourselves. And you
actually said it first though, you were like, like, I
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don't even remember what it was, but it was something
where I just wasn't like I was really down and
maybe it was after my grandma died or like something,
but I just was depressed and unmotivated. And you said, Mattie,
I love you always, but I also love you anyways,
and like I accept you every part of you, which
is like the core foundation of marriage, right, And I've
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definitely felt that more than ever in the last nine months.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Well, I think it's one of those things that might
be the reason that through all of it we constantly
stay really strong. Is like the same sentiment is I
don't like you, but I do love you. Is there's
definitely times where your actions make me feel like or
my actions might make you feel it's not a one
way street, right, but like the actions might not feel
(18:59):
like there's a bunch of love there, but I love
you anyways.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Like when I throw away all your clothes because I
think it's a good will pilege.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yes, yes, Like when you take my one thousand dollars
Jeanes that I never should have bought ever, ever, ever
and donate them.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I did do that though.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's awful, and that really did happen. I will point
to when the Riveters were no longer before the New League,
in the Morning of the Riveters. There is a whole
part of me that died on that day too, And
in that moment you had a lot of internal turmoil,
and for that reason you couldn't see my pain as well.
(19:36):
We had a big conflict where we were almost having
this argument of like who's more hurt instead of being like,
we're both hurt and we love each other anyways, and
it's not a competition of pain. It's just the shittiest
situation ever and we're all just trying to make it through.
You walking out of that was truly walking through mud.
(19:57):
And I loved you anyways, and it was really real
messy at that point in our relationship. And I think
in that time I wasn't watching my tone in that time,
I was really pissed off. So while we loved each
other and we were gonna make it through, I don't
think the kindness was there for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
It's hard to do though, and especially like most people
don't have, you know, their chest beating love tied to
their significant other. You know, we have this uniqueness where
the thing that I built is the thing that you built.
The love that you've had your whole life is my
love of my life, and that's the unifier in our marriage.
But it's not the only thing that makes us like
each other. So we had to really figure that out,
(20:37):
Like we had to figure that out in that moment.
Did we love each other anyways, Or did I love
Madison the hockey player and did you love Anya the
hockey player? And then you became Madison the something else
and I became Anya the something else in that exact moment.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, I agree, And I think that I don't. I
don't really have the same like three buckets that you have.
I think that my biggest thing is like post retirement,
we traveled a lot and it took a while for
life to catch up to me kind of. So for me,
I think the biggest thing is shout out to doctor Joe.
I have gone back to therapy with Baker Street. They're
(21:13):
the absolute best. I just realized that I needed to
get some extra help and needed to tap into some
tools or add some tools to my box that I
didn't have. Like this is literally the first time in
my life that I'm trying to live my life without
having like the label of hockey player attached to me.
So one going back to therapy and two also learning
(21:37):
how to be more present because like, the only time
I've ever been a parent is while I'm playing and
it hits you like a freight train. And I think
that I've been a lot better at it since going
to therapy because I have a lot more patience. But
like the elephant in the room is you are inherently
selfish as a professional athlete. I was going to say
that because you have to be and the people around
(21:59):
you support you to enable you to be successful, and
it's not until you're removed from that world that you're like,
oh my goodness. All of this was going on while
I was in the ice bath or at the gym,
and like, for me, the gym is like my chapel.
It's my safe space, and that's one thing that you
have always given me. And even when I retired, I
(22:19):
took like a couple of weeks off and I'm just like, no,
I can't. Like I immediately started boxing and I still
every single day. You give that to me because I
need that. And when I wasn't doing that, and then
I would like, I was like I had all these
freedoms to party to this, to that, Like I realized
that the one thing that like really truly kept me
grounded was going to the gym and getting that mental release.
(22:41):
So I think those are you know, the therapy and
just like learning how to be more present with our
kids because the kids are also literally the best thing
that's ever happened to me. And they're so excited now
that I'm home. Every time I walk in the door,
they're so excited, and they're just like they're still kind
of getting used to having us both home all the time,
and it's like overwhelming, but it's also the best thing
in the whole world. I also think it's uniquely special,
(23:04):
like we are fortunate enough that we have schedules and
jobs and opportunities that allow us to both be so
present with our kids. They've never known any different and
they probably won't have to, So I just think that
it's like given me a whole new perspective.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
But it is okay, I will say, the come down
effect of being able to be one hundred percent selfish
and again, like your body is your temple, it's your job.
It is you putting in extra hours at your job.
But when I let you sleep in, or when I
you know, when I would hero it all around, or
when I would do dinner in bed and breakfast and
blah blah blah so that you could recover, recuperate, train,
(23:41):
go here, go there. Like there's a lot of angst
in that relationship because I feel like I work for you,
and I still had to have a job.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I still had to do.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I still had to be somebody else's boss.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I had to do.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
So then to feel like this weird relationship dynamic was
so frustrating, but also I fully get it, like I
never resented you, but it was an angsty dynamic.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Well, and I think too, like the deal always was
you took it on the chin and you full board
like stepped back, supported me to the end of my career.
But the deal always kind of was like when I retired,
there would be a grace period where then like you
could full throttle because you are incredibly accomplished, great at
your job, like a rising star in the tech world
(24:30):
with Gardner, and you've kind of not held back or
ben held back, but in a lot of ways, yeah,
like you said no to certain things and you passed
up opportunities because it was better for our family dynamic
for you to have a lesser role or whatever. And
then when I retired and we were like, okay, well
we have kind of this like November December right, like
we had like the holiday where we could travel, and
(24:51):
then the new year hit and then you got promoted
and then it was like, Okay, well you have to
travel here, there and everywhere. I was by myself with
the kids like three months, and I think that that
like me having no period to adjust and ease into that,
you being gone so much, us feeling super disconnected, me
being super depressed, not being in our space, traveling all over,
(25:14):
sharing space with my in laws because we were with
your parents. Like it just was all of this compounding stuff.
And then we finally got home in May and we
were like, hold on, like you need to go to therapy.
I need to like reevaluate and check in, and like
we came together and we were like, this is a
sinking ship that's going nowhere, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
(25:36):
a lot of those check ins, like you could tell.
I mean, I was happy to be down in Florida,
but like I missed you and I felt like I
was drowning, and you felt unsupported and like unappreciated because
like you had done this all and it's not like tit.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
For tap, but it's like it's hard to not go
there though. It is really hard to not be like, oh, well,
you didn't call me when you had to go to
Minnesota Toronto. And then Montreal for twelve days in a row,
like it is hard not to play that card. But
I understood because in those moments I was drowning too.
I think that's the hardest thing about where we're at
(26:08):
now versus where we were before is the one upping.
And this is why I like kind of said tone
like the one upping has gone away. Instead of me
being like, oh, yeah, I had blah blah blah, I
can be like, hey, it's a little frustrating when this happens.
Can it just happen like this next time. I don't
need to explain to you when you pissed me off.
What I need to do is tell you how not
(26:28):
to piss me off again in a way that is
understandable because I'm pretty sure, Like last night, you didn't
know my known travel or ID number and you had
to book a flight for me. And I said, that's
frustrating to me because I have years in my notes, app,
I know everything about you.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Okay, but in my defense, I've never booked a flight
for you before.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Right, But my point is the invisible labor of it
is clear to me that it's starting to be shared,
and that becomes really helpful so while again we're not perfect,
I promise you will fight probably in the next weak
will find something. I think it's really important that we
both have been in a better space to say get
(27:07):
away from me. I'm in a bad mood and I
and I fully respect when you're like, hey, can I
just go watch my show? I really don't want to talk.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
That's the other thing that like, so two things. One
I'm unpacking in my therapy that you are shaped by
all these things in life, including trauma, whether remembered, known, unknown,
et cetera. And I have this like perpetual habit of
I'm an EmPATH. I'm very empathetic despite people thinking that
I'm an absolute jerk, and I constantly like, if you're
(27:38):
bothered or upset, like I can't I'm like, what's wrong
did I do? I just automatically assume like I did
something to upset you what I do? And I'm like,
I can tell something's wrong, like, and it like gives
me anxiety for like to feel like you're upset with me,
because I just want everything to be okay and I
don't want to feel like there's a problem, and I
don't want people to be upset by with me, which
is so funny because I was like such a shit
(28:00):
disturber when I played. But like, I really feel that,
Like I like, it really bothers me if someone feels
hurt or upset or wronged by me, because that's never
my intention. And so you and I have a lot
of that back and forth where you're just like my, god,
lay off it, lady, Like I am fine. I just
need some space. But also I don't like being alone.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
No, you're not an alone gal.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I don't want to be alone. I just want like quiet.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Here's a scenario that you would love. I've learned to love,
but when we first started dating was very annoying to me.
You like to have your headphones in and your iPad
watching a show in our bedroom with your foot touching
my foot, but not including me in any way, shape
or form to what you're currently doing.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Not all the time.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
You like your alone time with me and your space.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I like my alone time with nothing in my space.
I like my alone time when I go to yoga.
I like my alone time when I could turn my
phone off and not think about it. And it's not
because I don't love you. It's because I love to
invest my time in me and then I feel like
I come back and I'm better.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I will get in bed and rub your back and
you will literally slap my head.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Don't touch me. I don't want to be touched.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
So in all of this, what we found is that
there was a huge void right in, like I said,
in being gone and coming back. So for other people
who might be feeling that way, one of the biggest
things that's helped us, in my opinion, is the structure
and the schedule. It fluctuates, right, But Monday we have
the nanny. I get to go to boxing class. You
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go to the gym now and we have the whole
day like for you to do the stuff you need
to do for work, me work, nanny Tuesday, same structure.
I get to go to my boxing, you get to
go to the gym. We have the nanny. Tuesday nights
you go to yoga. So Monday nights I go to
my boxing class and you put the kids to bed.
Tonight I'll put the kids to bed. Tomorrow you have
to go to the so I'm with the kids all
day and we join like a gym that has a
(30:05):
splash pad and like all this fun stuff. So we
have like activities now where it's not just like by
the seat of our pants trying to figure it out.
Thursday nanny boxing class, and then Friday is the new
and becoming date day. We're bringing back date night for
the first time, and this is like a full date day.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yes, And I also live and die by my calendar,
So if you tell me something and it's not put
in my calendar, I will not remember it and you
will feel like I don't care. So I think that's
the other thing about all of this is you have
to figure out the other person's communication structure because you
I'll say this with love, but you like when I
intrinsically know, like you like to just have me know,
(30:47):
to have me think about it without you having to
say it. I don't operate that way. I'm much more binary,
and like, if you say it, I will do it.
If it's on my calendar, it happens like I'm not
so great with just the entrench acknowledge that you want
to go on a date.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Then on the flip side, you also have to be
more clear, so like it creates this conversation where you
and I are like reassessing what love we want to receive,
what love language we have. I think that shit is
very hard because I want to do what's comfortable for me.
I am selfish in that I want to love the
way I love and receive the love that I expect
to receive. And I think everyone feels that way, like,
(31:25):
isn't the love that I'm giving enough? And the answer
is yes, but it's just misplaced in the way that
we give it to one another. And I think we're
getting better at that. Yeah, ten years into this relationship,
eight years into this relationship, we can start to be like,
you're doing that weird thing again and I don't like it,
so let's change course.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, I think that that's true. I think it's just
like maturing and again back to when we first dated.
And I think that this is hugely important because I
think that it doesn't happen a lot, and when you
and I first started dating, we didn't travel a ton.
We spend a lot of time really getting to know
each other, like our values and like each other's families,
(32:02):
really getting to know each other. And I feel like
that was hugely important because we knew from day one,
these are the most important things to this person, and
we both had been in long relationships that we had
recently gotten out of before we came together. And I
think that that was also on the mind of like
wanting to have kids.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
We had a checklist. Each of us came with a
different checklist. I literally we joke about it.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
There is nothing that will happen that will make me
not want to spend the rest of my life with you,
because we did so much work in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
We also had to go to counseling to have kids,
which is bullshit, Like if a same sex couple has
to do it, everyone had to do it.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
We shouldn't just let me children out into the world.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
No, but but I think everyone should have redo it.
No no, no, great, like yeah, but to only make
some people do it, Like, but I think that that.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Also helped us.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Like we had a lot of we had a lot
of hard conversations early as we come to these things
in life, like it has gotten difficult because like, you know,
I was going through stuff when I retired, You were
going through stuff postpartum. But like, imagine us going through
all those things with out having had these conversations, And like,
I think that that's where people get to right.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
And so you want to hear my flip side to
the same argument. Yes, I feel like there are times
where we can feel very like business in this relationship
because of all the things that you're saying. And so
I think some of the conflict that we have is
like we misplay. Like we didn't have a lot of
play in our relationship. We had, you know, hockey, which
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we were business associated. We had buying a house, we
had this like checklist of things. We had this like
very clear path, and we had dates and times like
I sometimes feel like our challenge is we don't have
a lot of like like memories that we can recall
that are truly playful because we became parents really quickly.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
And so girl, I can give you playful Please breathe,
please take a deep breath.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
But I'm saying like I think that that's also a
part of our story, is like as we get older
and you know, knock on all the wood in this
entire home, hopefully retire early, have all the things, is
like find all the success everything. We'll almost go through
this like redating period that everyone says that they go
through when their kids turn eighteen and leave their house,
but where we get to play, and I look forward
(34:11):
to that so much. And if I'm still looking forward
to that, then this is the relationship for me, right,
Like when I start to find myself dreading moments where
we can play and have fun and joke around and
have levity, Like I always say, I just want things
to be easy, Like I like that when we have
conflict we can really get through it, or we get
in a big fight and then like we get over it.
But those moments that we have play are so refreshing
(34:34):
because I almost feel like it's fun. Yeah, we have
we can have fun, Like I think that some people
just don't recognize, especially in our dynamic, how much our
relationship is a business agreement and then finding play in there,
which is super hard.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
And also the recognition that we like want to do
these things with our kids, right like working really hard
at a young age so that we can do all
these fun things with our kids when our art like
be able to travel while we while we're young and
bring our kids to do things while they're young but
old enough to remember, Like right, I mean, like that's fun.
(35:09):
But we're going to Disney World next year for the
third time, like what kids don't do that? I know,
but like it's just fun, Like like having opportunity with
our We're both from fortunate families, right where were those
kinds of opportunities present themselves? But like getting to do
all those things with our kids, Like it's I mean,
if we didn't have kids, what would be going to
Disney World by ourselves? Like that time we went to
(35:30):
Legoland that was weird.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Listen. I think at the end of the day, we
can we can both agree. There were certainly times where
it's hard to like each other. I think not acknowledging
that elephant in the room is really ignorant. But we're
starting to figure out the little things that make this
dynamic work. So while we're on this journey at these packs,
(35:54):
Puck and you hear us talk about all the stupid
stuff that goes on in our life. No that while
we are we're about to kill each other, we are
never ever going to not love each other. And I
think that that's really important. So I appreciated this conversation.
Thank you for lobbing it up. It was fun and
it reminds me that we should have a little bit
more fun and be okay with it being a little messy,
(36:15):
but not messy, not messy dirty, don't worry, not messy dirty,
just generally typical form.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
We always end with advice, OH, do something a little different.
On this episode, since it's just you and I for
listeners and for people who maybe want to practice this
exercise at home, we are going to close out with
one thing that we appreciate about the other. Oh, I
will say one thing that I appreciate about you in
this current era of working on ourselves and working on
(36:42):
our family, and you will share one thing that you
appreciate about me. I appreciate it well first or second.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I would like to go a second, okay, because I
want to know how what you're going to say.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I appreciate the space and grace you've been giving me.
I think that at times I can be a bit much,
and I recognize that I like my space the way
I like my space. I can be overwhelming and overbearing,
and I have noticed that as of late, you have
been taking it with a grain of salt and recognizing
(37:13):
that I am working through a lot of things to
better myself, for me and for us, and so I
appreciate you working alongside of me and giving me space
to do that.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yo, I appreciate you appreciating that, because that is a
very difficult.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I appreciate you appreciating me appreciating you.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I just can do like the Spider Man meme where
we all just point to each other. Now, thank you
for saying that. I will say that. The thing I
appreciate of you in this moment of transition is clarity,
because I have a really hard time. Like I said,
you like to receive love in a way that feels presumptuous,
(37:50):
like I've thought about you in advance, and I've done
this really elaborate thing, and like, yes, can I do that? Sure,
I'm not a robot, but it helps me a lot
when you say I want it to look like this,
or it's helpful to me if you do this and
then giving me something that's really like tangible that I
can show up for. I understand that that's probably loving
(38:11):
with kid gloves, but I appreciate that you love me
through that and give me that clarity and transparency because
I can certainly get into a transactional relationship pretty quickly
because it's easy for me to be like check done, yes, okay,
good moving on knowing that about me and then giving
me the clarity to be like I'd like to watch
TV today, I'd like to start a new show. I'm
(38:32):
not going to do this thing without you because I
want you to come along this journey with me makes
it really fun, and I appreciate who you're being for me.
So while you go through the unearthing of traumas, I've
done that in therapy only seven hundred and fifty thousand times.
It's super uncomfortable. So I also appreciate you taking the
mental time and energy to check in on yourself. I
(38:52):
can tell every day that you are starting to become
more comfortable with the things that have shaped you into
who you are today, things about you I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Well, this has been fun and oddly therapeutic.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Now we're in a love fest. I can't wait to
go to yoga tonight, and you have those kids by yourself. Anyway,
thank you all for listening. I hope that everybody can
pull out a little nugget they can share and love
and love their partner better. This is a big love fest,
So we'll leave you on that. We love you, Thank
you for listening, and you'll hear from us next week.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
That's it for this week.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Thanks for listening, and if you like what you heard,
spread the word seriously right now, take your phone out,
text a friend and tell them to subscribe.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
And be sure to rate and review us on Apple
Podcasts and Spotify if you haven't already. It really really
helps until next week. I'm Madison Packer and.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I'm Anya Packer, and this was These Packs Puck.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
These Packs Puck is a production of iHeart Women's Sports
and Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. It's hosted by us
Madison and Anya Packer. Emily Meronoff is our senior producer
and story editor. Are mixed and mastered by Mary dew.
Our executive producers are Jennifer Bassett, Jesse Katz, and Ally Perry.
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