July 1, 2025 • 27 mins
The Packers are tired. Their son, Waylon, is going through a new phase where he won’t sleep. As believers in being transparent about the messy parts of motherhood, they get into what's been going on—the funny stories, the frustrations, and the sleep deprivation. Now they’re turning to you, our listeners, to seek help and solutions for this problem. So please, send advice!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, everyone, Welcome to these packs puck. I'm Madison Packer.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And I'm Anya Packer. Madison and I are both former
pro hockey players. We met through hockey and fell in love,
and now we're married with two awesome toddlers, ages two
and four.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
These days we're opening up about the chaos of our
daily lives, between the juggle of being athletes, raising kids.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And all the messiness in between. So buckle the puck
up because there is a lot to talk about. Hey, Anya, Yo,
what up, packie?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
How are we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You know what? Today we're talking about a topic just
us near and dear to my heart. It's about not sleeping.
It's not actually near and dear to my heart. I
hate this topic, but it is happening in our home,
and at some point today we're going to get into it.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm excited. I've been liking the solo episodes me too.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I think we're vibing. I think we knew that because
we're married and hopefully happily, but I think they're fun. First,
let's take a d tour to our hockey hot take.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Hockey hot take.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Today, we have a hockey hot take that I am
so passionate about I feel like the people of either
Seattle or Vancouver are going to have the best year ever.
If you want to dive into that hot take, you
can take her away.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Seattle and Vancouver are going to annihilate any team in
their path next season, even Montreal, who retained Debien Mpp
and Laura Stacey.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I fully agree.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I cannot believe the rosters that these teams have compiled.
It's insane.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Okay, So before the rosters are full, let me just
run you each roster really really quickly currently where they stand,
and that's as of June sixteenth. So this is going
to be a little bit different as we look in
the future because there's some potentials that I think will
have been signed by the time this episode comes out.
But after the draft, Seattle is sitting with Bilka, Sir Dakney, Gosling, Carpenter, Eldridge, Knight, Barnes,
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Megan Carter, Tezralova, Brown, Wilgrin, and Schroeder. That's an all
star roster just before we even get into it. And
then Vancouver, another absolute weapon of a team, has Boren,
Izzy Daniels, Kruzova, Gardner, Nurse mcquig, Rosenthal, Jake's Bard, Thompson
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Bell with their goaltending starting with Emerents mash Meyer. Come on,
no words, there's no words, Okay, So I think if
I'm going to give him my hot take, yes, I
think a cup is going to either one of those rosters. Personally,
I'm giving it to Seattle. I think Seattle has a
little bit more lust on that roster. I think what
they're doing by way of who they're signing is a
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little bit better. And if I'm going to lean on
just my gut feeling, I think Schroedz has more in
the tank than mash Meyer to get all the way
to and through a finals. Personal opinion could totally be
off on that, but that's my gut. Now. I think
the draft and the way that it all went, picking
four players if only allowed to protect three from each roster,
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what's disgusting. They just absolutely ravaged these rosters.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's crazy, it's not. So here's the other thing. You're
gonna have a draft, obviously, right, like an entry player draft,
but you can't fill your team with all draft players
like now, these teams are gonna have to go after
each other's free agents, unrestricted free agents because there are
so many holes. So on the flip side, it's a
good opportunity for a lot of players, but also like,
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come on, all the top talent gone, WOA gone.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So then you also have the rumor mill of Vancouver's
getting Venisova, Cava, Hannah Miller and Kava. So those three
right there is also disgusting. And in the first round
they have the seventh and eighth picks, they're not even
getting like a little bit of a hold back on
the entry draft with a talent coming through from NCAA's
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So there is literally, I think for like a three
year period of dominance. Then so here's the next layer,
to the to the onion there are amazing and then
next year every single foundational three year player is up
for grabs.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
So I don't understand the salary cap, like they are
these teams operating with different caps. It doesn't make sense, right,
like or are you paying everyone a little bit less,
which I guess would make sense, but that doesn't match
up to historical behavior. So how are they affording to
pay all these top players?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, it hasn't been made clear if they're renegotiating contracts,
like if they're renegotiating pre signed contracts because they're not
trading for these players, they're just taking them.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
But they have to So my understanding is they're minimum.
They have to honor the existing value of the contract. However,
that doesn't make sense though they also have the opportunity
to sweeten the pot.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yes, but like what they're doing is as who knows.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Every other player getting signed is signing for minimum, to
be clear. But the thing is, there's no in between.
Here's no in between.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Here's here's my here's my theory though, because here's the
Minnesota Frost of it all. It is objectively cool to
walk around the state of Hockey as a Minnesota Frost player.
People care, you're known, Like it's the state of hockey
now going to an expansion draft market. Everybody's excited about it, right, Like,
think about a Seattle who I'm putting my hat in
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the ring away in advance, that's going to take a cup.
Everybody loves women's sports in Seattle. They've already showcased that.
So you're going there with more opportunity with a set
and understood WNBA team with like, in my opinion, you're
walking into an opportunity where you could possibly make more
in branding and marketing deals because it's a sexy ass market.
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That's sexier than saying I play for the New York
slash New Jersey Sirens. Who isn't drawing a fan base?
Right now? That is the lust as well to take
less money up front? Is that like your quality of
life is going to be better?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Sure? But again, right, like looking at those players that
Seattle's first five, right, I'm going back and looking at
it night, Sir Dakney Gross, Kayleab Barnes, Carpenter, Schroeder, Carpenter, Knight,
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Jesse Eldridge. Those are all players who are making at
least eighty thousand dollars, right they were.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, you're saying, That's what I'm saying. I don't know
what they're doing, so.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I don't understand it. Schroeder, I think was I think
signed for at least sixty five in her in her
new deal with New York. Like the numbers, Like, I
don't understand the numbers of it. Barnes, Barnes was on
a three year deal.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Right Again, I don't get the cap. I don't understand
the cap of it. And that's something that will come
to light soon, right because the players are going to
start to release that information. They've decided that, well.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
They're only releasing it to their agents.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Okay, the leaky, the leaky. That's gonna be a leaky
I guess.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
But it just doesn't I don't understand the I don't know.
It has to be. It has to be that there's
going to be a big gap.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
There has to be, right, there's going to be a
drop off. That's crazy. But again, if you walk into
a rink right now in New Jersey and say I
play on the Sirens, can I get my stick and
puck for free? They laugh in your face. And if
you did the same thing in Minnesota, they'd be like, actually,
can we pay you to be here? And that is
what I think the difference between Seattle is going to
be versus even of Boston. But if I don't worry
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about all the intricacies, which my pa brain is like
screaming at me to care about, I think the cop
is going to Seattle. And I think what they did
to every other team in the league is foul.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, it's just gonna be really interesting to see how
it all shakes out. Because you have all that top
talent is gone, you have a ton of players that
are unrestricted free agents. You have a huge draft coming up,
and it's going to be exciting, but it's gonna be
wild and messy.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I fully agree. I think it's going to be a
little messy, and I like the shade of it. I
think sometimes the salacious element of sports in general is
what makes people watch. So might this be the year
that we have the best viewership ever? Hopefully? Yes. I
like the drama. I think drama is what apps motivates
fan bases, So bring on a little bit of drama.
I mean, I want to hear some booing. I want
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to hear some like heckling in the building. I want
to hear some like real like booing and like getting
into it and like really passionate about your teams, like
I'm over this. Everyone's great. Women's hockey's growing, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I want people to start to form those rivalries and
be okay with them and sit in them and dislike
people and like start to boo, right, Like, I think
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that's fun. We need more booing.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
The players live for it too, I agree.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I mean, I think not only am I going to
start introducing booing in this home. That's the right and
new quality of life that we're going to have. If
I don't like something, I'm going to boo you perfect.
But I'm not in my headspace right now. I'm in
a good spot. So why don't we go back into
what's happening in the packer household. We'll run a little
check in.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
All right, where are we at?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Pack I'm in a very obscure head space. Last night,
whalon not to bury the leads lept in our bed
and he with a completely closed fist, swung it and
hit me directly in the mouth. And that was not fun.
And if I could have been booing, I would have
woke up and booed that kid. But I am like
a I'll call it a fifty to fifty because I'm
not great. I didn't sleep well. I'm not terrible. I
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don't have anything to like really hold in my grudgery,
but I do have some not good sleep under my belt.
Where are you at?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Like covering around in eighty six? Ooh? Still pretty up there?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Because he cuddles you, he kicks the living crap out
of me.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I also didn't sleep Gray. I've been waking up a lot,
but I and I don't know if it's because the
kids keep coming in our room or what the situation is,
but I think everyone everyone in this house is running
the one's sleep. I am excited, however, because I'm making
one of my favorite meals for dinner tonight. I a
salad with chicken cutlet.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Aya is the name of my grandmother. Just so everyone's aware,
it's just the salad that my grandmother makes at her house.
There's nothing fancy about it. Please go on.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, I'm good, We're feeling good. Cool. The dog has
stopped following me around. That's giving me anxiety.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
That's just momentary. She's gonna keep doing that, just so
that everyone can like understand what's happening in this house.
The dog used to was imprinted on me. She one
hundred percent listens to everything I say. She is trained
by me. Now I do not give her treats for
no reason at all. She has to earn them. Madison,
you open the door after she's gotten into the bathroom's side,
which should just be like the bare minimum of what
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a dog is supposed to do, and you give her
a bone. So the fact that she follows you around
is one hundred percent conditioned by you.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I think it deserves reward. What needs to be rewarded.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Good, I'm glad. So when she follows you around, it's
because she knows that you're going to give her a
reward when she does the basic thanks. All right, we're cooking.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
So we've established that we are not sleeping great in
this house. Should we get into a little bit of
what's going on with the man?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Let's talk about it, because I think every parent goes
through this stage of life where we think, oh my gosh,
we have the worst kid ever? What did we do?
Not worst? Like I don't love this kid, but it's
like everything is going wrong? What am I doing wrong?
I'm a bad parent. This poor kid needs something that
I can't give them. I don't know how to fix it. Like,
we are very much in that headspace where what is
going wrong with Waylan? We do not know? Do we
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call a doctor? Do we call a sleep therapist? Like?
What are we supposed to do? Because he doesn't ever
want to go to sleep.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I'm gonna start it with a lighthearted, funny story. Okay,
we can get into the real seriousness of it. So
Anya has been in and out of traveling a lot
for work. Most recently, you were gone flat four days, yes,
three nights, and while gone, I called Anya's boss's boss's
wife to come over and like we ordered sushi and
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hung out. She helped with the kids. She's an inherent
boy mom, mom of three boys, all now in high school,
one on his way to college. Loves the kids. She's
watched him before. She's like, I'm gonna come help you.
She comes over, makes cookies, cuddles with Whalan, reads him
a book like the night is going well. I put
Harlan down instantly asleep because she's the golden child. Whalan
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cuddles with Vic the friend, gets two books read to him.
She's about to tuck him in and put him to bed,
and he just starts like going ballistic, like kicking the book.
You know you did. You didn't read the book to
Blue Bunny, Blue Bunny and Blue Blanket. He sleeps with
every night, losing his mind that Blue Bunnie didn't get
the story read to him. And she's like, okay, Bud,
like that that's it. We're done. I'm you know, we're not.
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I'm not reading to Blue Bunny. So then I step in.
I'm like, all right, buddy, it's bedtime lay him down.
Twenty minutes go by of silence, which is the scariest thing.
Twenty minutes go by of silence, and I'm like, this
is like it's like eight twenty at this point, I'm like, oh,
I'm like maybe he's down. All of a sudden, we
hear this like really weird noise and I'm like what.
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I'm like, Oh, he's out of bed. I go upstairs.
Whalen is standing with We have a jack and jail
sink in the kid's bathroom. Whalen is standing with a
foot on each side of like right next to each sink,
head between his legs, looking backwards at the mirror. Hydra
cordazone cream from the middle of his back all the
way down his butt crack, just like all over the mirror.
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There's like nine band aids on the counter. We have
a nanet, mind you, but my login wasn't working, so
I like didn't realize that. So when I heard the noise,
I couldn't see the nanet, so I went running upstairs.
He had a bug bite on the top of his
butt crack, and he thought that the itchy cream, which
is the hydrog gordisone cream which was used before would
help with the thing or help with the bug bite.
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So he's got like all these band aids everywhere. I'm like, oh,
I got to get it all cleaned up. Then get
him in his room. He's like, I don't want to
go to bed, you know, I don't. I'm scared of
bad dreams whatever. When I was at the espnW summit,
they sent me this like lavender candle and spray and basalts,
all these things. I'm like, you know what, mama has
the perfect thing, dream spray. So we put a little
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sprits of the purple haze lavender essential oil spray on
his pillow and he's like, oh yeah, it's working. He
could smell it. We spritched a little bit on Blue
Bunny close his door. I made the mistake of putting
the bottle on the counter in the bathroom. So about
an hour rolls by and we hear just blood curdling
screams coming from upstairs. I go sprinting up the stairs.
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It smells like a lavender feel has exploded in the
hallway Waylan's eyes are like splotchy, his nose is running,
He's got drool everywhere. I like, literally it's like making
my eyes water the smell of lavender. He was so
worried about having bad dreams that he sprayed every inch
of his room, his tony, his his nanet light, his
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night light, his bed. The whole bottle, almost the whole
bottle was gone, sprayed it up his nose on his hands,
rubbed his eyes.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
The whole house still smell. Yeah, a week.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
If Dick hadn't been here, I would have called nine
one one because I'm like, like it was in his nose.
I had to flush his nose out with that like that,
the freedom nose thing with like water. It was awful.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It was awful.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
The house still still smells. And this was like not recently.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
So he didn't sleep, yes or no.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
He then he then went like fell asleep in the
middle of the carpet, like.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Which is, by the way, not the first time that
he has not slept, and continuously done ridiculou stuff in
his room and then passed that on the carpet. It
was awful.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I felt so badly for him, but I'm like, why
would you do that? He's like I thought, if I
smelled the spray, I wouldn't have bad dreams, which like
like yeah, from like a cognitive standpoint, it's like, okay,
that's smart, Like I wouldn't have thought of that. Like
you're gonna smell the lavender all night, you won't have
bad dreams. But he literally sprayed it up his nose.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, like you're not wrong, but you're not right. You're
not wrong, but also you're not right. Poor dude, poor dude.
So so while that story is hilarious, you can imagine
when you're fried after a day of mommy already, and
that is what you deal with for a two and
a half hour put down. It's not as cute or
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as here.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I think I need a cookie. A cookie will make
it better.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
No, he gets me with the cheese stick. If I
have a cheese stick in both hands, I'll fall asleep.
I'm like what. Then I give it to him and
he finishes them, and then I'll call me mommy, I
need one more cheese stick. I'm gonna cry. I'm gonna cry.
I don't know if he's gonna cry, but I'm definitely
gonna cry. So our kids eat a lot of dairy. Yeah. Yeah,
we're like at the seventeen servings a day. And that's
like a that's like probably an understatement for how many
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dairy we eat in this house. While that story's funny,
it's like it harps on this bigger issue. So here's
the cycle of emotion. Right, he's almost five, so it's
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age appropriate. He's growing, he's changing, he's got fomo, he's
starting to have an imagination to a point where he's
giving himself nightmares, right, Like, so that's kind of normal.
And then he wakes up in the morning and he's cranky.
He has a hard time adjusting to change because he
hasn't slept, he's not a great listener, and then gets
in trouble during the day and then at night feels
like all we do is yell at him, and then
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doesn't want to go to sleep. Like, I get the
cycle of emotion that he is struggling with. And so
then like you and I are feverishly typing on Google
what to do about kids that don't sleep. There's sleep gummies,
there's like, don't give them malatonin, but do give them this,
Do try that, don't do this, give him a calming
bath time, do the same routine. So he has now
a nighttime routine that he does really strictly, and all
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of that happens, and the kids still doesn't sleep well.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Also, he's recently said to us that, so we went
on this road trip back from Florida, and we stopped
at like four different places and stayed in a different
hotel and did net tivity whatever. The kids have always
come into our bed in the middle of the night.
It has been constant now since this road trip, because
a hotel is objectively fun. We stayed in cool rooms,
We went to cool places. Harlan slept with you, he
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slept with me. So his new thing is I can't
sleep alone. Yeah, I'm like, you're not alone. You have
blue Bunny. He's like, but blue bunny doesn't talk. I'm like, well,
use your imagination.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
But also, no one talks while they sleep, Homie.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I was like, everybody goes to bed alone, buddy, He goes, No,
you and mommy sleep together. I'm like, right, but mommy
goes to bed and then I go up, so Mommy's
already asleep.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I didn't listen. I'm happy for you to sleep in
the guest room. If that solves this no sleeping thing.
We can all have our own bed.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Oh jeez, I'll talk about that later.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
No, but I but I do think that's a big issue, right,
And then like and then he comes in our bed
and he wants to cuddle one of us, and then
whomever isn't the one he chooses to cuddle gets kicked,
gets punched, gets absolutely crushed all night long and doesn't sleep.
And the person that is cuddling with him, he is
of my blood, so he is ten thousand degrees at night.
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So it's like a sweaty, gross, disgusting mess where he's
just like hot, and he's in our bed and he
sleeps in the middle, so he kicks the sheets down
and once I'm up, I'm up. It's like this whole
big deal.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And it's hard because he's tired, right, Yeah, he's tired.
We lay doun with him and he's like we've agreed, okay.
He's like, I can go to sleep if I get
a cuddle, and like sometimes he'll fall asleep, right, but
then it like the smallest noise or whatever wakes him up,
or he turns his tony up to a thousand like decibels, so.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
The tony is crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
We know he's tired, so it's hard because we don't
want to be frustrated with him because we recognize that
he's tired, but he just doesn't want to sleep because
he is afraid of being alone, or he wakes up
and realizes that we've gone, then he has to come
in our room. And if it's before you know we've
gone to bed, it's it just becomes a whole nother thing.
And like you said, age of appropriate and seemingly normal. However,
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the little dude is growing and he's not sleeping, and
it's just like, then, yeah, he's having a hard time listening,
he's acting out, he's this, he's that, and it's like
it all stems from the issue of not being able
to go to sleep.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, it's a vicious sight there.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Go we are in search of some help.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
With sleep, yet we do not know what to do.
I feel badly because then I get mad at him,
like I'm I'm angry and I saw this thing on Instagram.
It's like, you can't expect your kids to have a
good night's rest if they're getting put to bed by
being yelled at. And there are times where that's that's
all I've got in the tank at ten o'clock at
night and he's still not asleep is like willing lay down.
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And I'm doing the best I can. I get it.
I'm like sometimes the worst at that because the temper
can really search. But like I'm like, after the seventieth
gentle parenting conversation about going to bed, I've got nothing
left in the tank. And there has to be a
more peaceful way.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
And we tried. We tried the in his room with
the books and the like letting him like write, like
we've tried bottom of a recliner with reader books and
sending him through light.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And like we did the light, we did the spray,
we did the dinosaur to catch the bad dreams. We
did the conversation, we did the yellow time where we
play quietly. We've done the.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Sleep the clock up like like you know what I mean,
Like because he can read the time now too, so
he's like, it's not that time yet, Like we almost
need to turn the clock up.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
But like, but it's summer, so it's light, so it's
like sunlight. When we're putting him to bed at eight thirty,
it's it's daylight. And so like he equates darkness to
sleeping and doesn't understand time.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
The construct as we talk about this. We just got
an alert from the nanny. Things are turning south.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Oh no, don't even get me started.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
But like that's the like, that's the overtired.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
That's the overtired.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And it's like, how do we help him. It's so
hard because everyone you talk to, like I've talked to
people that are like, oh, we went through the same
thing with so and so, the same thing with so
and so, and it's like it doesn't make it any
more appropriate or okay, but it's also like it's not
super abnormal. And he's also sometimes we go places like
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we were just at the park and there was this
nanny that like this her the kid that she was
watching took Whalen's car from him and then wouldn't give
it back. So Whalen started and they were Whalen's cars
that like I brought and was letting all the kids
share and play with. And this kid took the car
from Whalen and wouldn't give it back, and Whalen asked
for it back multiple times, so finally Whalen chased him
down and took it back. You shouldn't have grabbed from
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his hands, Like we don't take things out of each
other's hands, but she didn't see that the kid had
already taken it out of Whalen's hand. And Whalen is
in the ninety third percentile, so he looks much older
and bigger, like right, like everyone assumes that he's seven.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, and he's four.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And so the nanny, you know which also who says
this to a child? The nanny goes only kids who
who who don't know how to behave or communicate their
emotions grab from other kids, not our nanny to our child. No, no, yeah,
this is a random person at the park. And I'm like,
I'm like, okay, well, we're done playing with that kid now.
And by the way, he's four. But like I think
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that that that's like a hardship too, is that like
try and navigate all of this for us for the
first time, because fortunately, I guess that this is the
first time we're really experiencing like a challenge and it's
so hard to figure out what to do because it's
so crazy how you can have two kids who have
the same everything environmentally but such different needs.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
That's why I think it's exclusively tied to his age
and his developmental like where he's at in development because
we don't do anything different between them, right, But this
is the invisible labor that is put on women, and
so we shared this labor. We shoulder this together, right.
But like figuring this out is like the family's new problem.
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This is the kind of stuff when people talk about
toddlers and it being really really hard. It's this stuff
because this does not make any sense to me. There's
an answer. People go through this every single day. But
if you're going through that right now and that's the
stage that your toddler's in and you want to poke
your eyes out with rusty nails, you and these packspuck
are in absolutely the exact same space. So I think
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the new quest that will be on is to try
to solve this problem, whether that be through guests, whether
that be through trial and error, just kind of like
revisit this throughout the summer because it is only going
to get worse before it gets better. I have every
knowledge in the world that we're going to struggle with
this for a period of time. But I think that
we can kind of talk about it because in real
time this is very, very challenging and frustrating, but we're
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at least we're doing it together question mark.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And if you're a listener and a parent or a
caregiver who has experienced this and has suggestions, our dms
are open because I think that's the biggest thing, right,
is like sharing your experience and like wh not being
worried of like quote unquote labeling your kids or like whatever,
but like sharing true experiences and being honest about what
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you're going through because it takes a village and sometimes
your village looks different, and like we've all, like we said,
like people we've already talked to people who have been
like oh I like, yeah, I've been through that. So
if you have a suggestion or anything, we are open
in all ears, or if you just want to vent
in some way about years similar.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Your kid doesn't sleep either, we could all DM each
other at four o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yes, so we are open to anything and everything from
our listeners. We are in dire need of sleep over
in the Packer house.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yes, no one's sleeping. Everyone's trying their best. But is
anyone happy? Maybe? Maybe just Harlan Harlan's Harlan's alive and
well Dean Queen takes the Gabini is alive, and well,
and also we live in the sub threads of Reddit anyway,
like let's all talk about what's going on. I think
that is the hardship, right is we are moms who
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have this momming podcast, who always have the cutest pictures
up on social media, and that doesn't always tell the
whole picture. The whole picture is right now, it is
a grease in this house. So if it's a grease
in your house, if you have some ideas, if you've
gotten through it, contact us, call us, beat us direct,
cell phone, walk to our house, whatever you can do,
please he sends it up, but I'll lend on a letter.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Note.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
This was our kind of vent sessh episode of these
packs puck join us next week. We'll probably talk to
somebody that can solve our problems, or I'll be even
worse than a fifty.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
That's it for this week. Thanks for listening, and.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
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Until next week. I'm Madison Packer and.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm Anya Packer and this was These Packs Puck.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
These Packs Puck is a production of iHeart Women's Sports
and Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. It's hosted by Us
Madison and Anya Packer. Emily Mernoff is our senior producer
and story editor. We were mixed and mastered by Mary dew.
Our executive producers are Jennifer Bassett, Jesse Katz, and Ali Perry.
Hi, everyone, Welcome to these packs puck. I'm Madison Packer.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And I'm Anya Packer. Madison and I are both former
pro hockey players. We met through hockey and fell in love,
and now we're married with two awesome toddlers, ages two
and four.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
These days we're opening up about the chaos of our
daily lives, between the juggle of being athletes, raising kids.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And all the messiness in between. So buckle the puck
up because there is a lot to talk about. Hey, Anya, Yo,
what up, packie?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
How are we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You know what? Today we're talking about a topic just
us near and dear to my heart. It's about not sleeping.
It's not actually near and dear to my heart. I
hate this topic, but it is happening in our home,
and at some point today we're going to get into it.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm excited. I've been liking the solo episodes me too.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I think we're vibing. I think we knew that because
we're married and hopefully happily, but I think they're fun. First,
let's take a d tour to our hockey hot take.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Hockey hot take.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Today, we have a hockey hot take that I am
so passionate about I feel like the people of either
Seattle or Vancouver are going to have the best year ever.
If you want to dive into that hot take, you
can take her away.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Seattle and Vancouver are going to annihilate any team in
their path next season, even Montreal, who retained Debien Mpp
and Laura Stacey.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I fully agree.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I cannot believe the rosters that these teams have compiled.
It's insane.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Okay, So before the rosters are full, let me just
run you each roster really really quickly currently where they stand,
and that's as of June sixteenth. So this is going
to be a little bit different as we look in
the future because there's some potentials that I think will
have been signed by the time this episode comes out.
But after the draft, Seattle is sitting with Bilka, Sir Dakney, Gosling, Carpenter, Eldridge, Knight, Barnes,
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Megan Carter, Tezralova, Brown, Wilgrin, and Schroeder. That's an all
star roster just before we even get into it. And
then Vancouver, another absolute weapon of a team, has Boren,
Izzy Daniels, Kruzova, Gardner, Nurse mcquig, Rosenthal, Jake's Bard, Thompson
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Bell with their goaltending starting with Emerents mash Meyer. Come on,
no words, there's no words, Okay, So I think if
I'm going to give him my hot take, yes, I
think a cup is going to either one of those rosters. Personally,
I'm giving it to Seattle. I think Seattle has a
little bit more lust on that roster. I think what
they're doing by way of who they're signing is a
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little bit better. And if I'm going to lean on
just my gut feeling, I think Schroedz has more in
the tank than mash Meyer to get all the way
to and through a finals. Personal opinion could totally be
off on that, but that's my gut. Now. I think
the draft and the way that it all went, picking
four players if only allowed to protect three from each roster,
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what's disgusting. They just absolutely ravaged these rosters.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's crazy, it's not. So here's the other thing. You're
gonna have a draft, obviously, right, like an entry player draft,
but you can't fill your team with all draft players
like now, these teams are gonna have to go after
each other's free agents, unrestricted free agents because there are
so many holes. So on the flip side, it's a
good opportunity for a lot of players, but also like,
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come on, all the top talent gone, WOA gone.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So then you also have the rumor mill of Vancouver's
getting Venisova, Cava, Hannah Miller and Kava. So those three
right there is also disgusting. And in the first round
they have the seventh and eighth picks, they're not even
getting like a little bit of a hold back on
the entry draft with a talent coming through from NCAA's
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So there is literally, I think for like a three
year period of dominance. Then so here's the next layer,
to the to the onion there are amazing and then
next year every single foundational three year player is up
for grabs.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
So I don't understand the salary cap, like they are
these teams operating with different caps. It doesn't make sense, right,
like or are you paying everyone a little bit less,
which I guess would make sense, but that doesn't match
up to historical behavior. So how are they affording to
pay all these top players?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, it hasn't been made clear if they're renegotiating contracts,
like if they're renegotiating pre signed contracts because they're not
trading for these players, they're just taking them.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
But they have to So my understanding is they're minimum.
They have to honor the existing value of the contract. However,
that doesn't make sense though they also have the opportunity
to sweeten the pot.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yes, but like what they're doing is as who knows.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Every other player getting signed is signing for minimum, to
be clear. But the thing is, there's no in between.
Here's no in between.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Here's here's my here's my theory though, because here's the
Minnesota Frost of it all. It is objectively cool to
walk around the state of Hockey as a Minnesota Frost player.
People care, you're known, Like it's the state of hockey
now going to an expansion draft market. Everybody's excited about it, right, Like,
think about a Seattle who I'm putting my hat in
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the ring away in advance, that's going to take a cup.
Everybody loves women's sports in Seattle. They've already showcased that.
So you're going there with more opportunity with a set
and understood WNBA team with like, in my opinion, you're
walking into an opportunity where you could possibly make more
in branding and marketing deals because it's a sexy ass market.
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That's sexier than saying I play for the New York
slash New Jersey Sirens. Who isn't drawing a fan base?
Right now? That is the lust as well to take
less money up front? Is that like your quality of
life is going to be better?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Sure? But again, right, like looking at those players that
Seattle's first five, right, I'm going back and looking at
it night, Sir Dakney Gross, Kayleab Barnes, Carpenter, Schroeder, Carpenter, Knight,
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Jesse Eldridge. Those are all players who are making at
least eighty thousand dollars, right they were.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, you're saying, That's what I'm saying. I don't know
what they're doing, so.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I don't understand it. Schroeder, I think was I think
signed for at least sixty five in her in her
new deal with New York. Like the numbers, Like, I
don't understand the numbers of it. Barnes, Barnes was on
a three year deal.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Right Again, I don't get the cap. I don't understand
the cap of it. And that's something that will come
to light soon, right because the players are going to
start to release that information. They've decided that, well.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
They're only releasing it to their agents.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Okay, the leaky, the leaky. That's gonna be a leaky
I guess.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
But it just doesn't I don't understand the I don't know.
It has to be. It has to be that there's
going to be a big gap.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
There has to be, right, there's going to be a
drop off. That's crazy. But again, if you walk into
a rink right now in New Jersey and say I
play on the Sirens, can I get my stick and
puck for free? They laugh in your face. And if
you did the same thing in Minnesota, they'd be like, actually,
can we pay you to be here? And that is
what I think the difference between Seattle is going to
be versus even of Boston. But if I don't worry
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about all the intricacies, which my pa brain is like
screaming at me to care about, I think the cop
is going to Seattle. And I think what they did
to every other team in the league is foul.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, it's just gonna be really interesting to see how
it all shakes out. Because you have all that top
talent is gone, you have a ton of players that
are unrestricted free agents. You have a huge draft coming up,
and it's going to be exciting, but it's gonna be
wild and messy.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I fully agree. I think it's going to be a
little messy, and I like the shade of it. I
think sometimes the salacious element of sports in general is
what makes people watch. So might this be the year
that we have the best viewership ever? Hopefully? Yes. I
like the drama. I think drama is what apps motivates
fan bases, So bring on a little bit of drama.
I mean, I want to hear some booing. I want
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to hear some like heckling in the building. I want
to hear some like real like booing and like getting
into it and like really passionate about your teams, like
I'm over this. Everyone's great. Women's hockey's growing, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I want people to start to form those rivalries and
be okay with them and sit in them and dislike
people and like start to boo, right, Like, I think
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that's fun. We need more booing.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
The players live for it too, I agree.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I mean, I think not only am I going to
start introducing booing in this home. That's the right and
new quality of life that we're going to have. If
I don't like something, I'm going to boo you perfect.
But I'm not in my headspace right now. I'm in
a good spot. So why don't we go back into
what's happening in the packer household. We'll run a little
check in.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
All right, where are we at?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Pack I'm in a very obscure head space. Last night,
whalon not to bury the leads lept in our bed
and he with a completely closed fist, swung it and
hit me directly in the mouth. And that was not fun.
And if I could have been booing, I would have
woke up and booed that kid. But I am like
a I'll call it a fifty to fifty because I'm
not great. I didn't sleep well. I'm not terrible. I
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don't have anything to like really hold in my grudgery,
but I do have some not good sleep under my belt.
Where are you at?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Like covering around in eighty six? Ooh? Still pretty up there?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Because he cuddles you, he kicks the living crap out
of me.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I also didn't sleep Gray. I've been waking up a lot,
but I and I don't know if it's because the
kids keep coming in our room or what the situation is,
but I think everyone everyone in this house is running
the one's sleep. I am excited, however, because I'm making
one of my favorite meals for dinner tonight. I a
salad with chicken cutlet.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Aya is the name of my grandmother. Just so everyone's aware,
it's just the salad that my grandmother makes at her house.
There's nothing fancy about it. Please go on.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, I'm good, We're feeling good. Cool. The dog has
stopped following me around. That's giving me anxiety.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
That's just momentary. She's gonna keep doing that, just so
that everyone can like understand what's happening in this house.
The dog used to was imprinted on me. She one
hundred percent listens to everything I say. She is trained
by me. Now I do not give her treats for
no reason at all. She has to earn them. Madison,
you open the door after she's gotten into the bathroom's side,
which should just be like the bare minimum of what
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a dog is supposed to do, and you give her
a bone. So the fact that she follows you around
is one hundred percent conditioned by you.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I think it deserves reward. What needs to be rewarded.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Good, I'm glad. So when she follows you around, it's
because she knows that you're going to give her a
reward when she does the basic thanks. All right, we're cooking.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
So we've established that we are not sleeping great in
this house. Should we get into a little bit of
what's going on with the man?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Let's talk about it, because I think every parent goes
through this stage of life where we think, oh my gosh,
we have the worst kid ever? What did we do?
Not worst? Like I don't love this kid, but it's
like everything is going wrong? What am I doing wrong?
I'm a bad parent. This poor kid needs something that
I can't give them. I don't know how to fix it. Like,
we are very much in that headspace where what is
going wrong with Waylan? We do not know? Do we
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call a doctor? Do we call a sleep therapist? Like?
What are we supposed to do? Because he doesn't ever
want to go to sleep.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I'm gonna start it with a lighthearted, funny story. Okay,
we can get into the real seriousness of it. So
Anya has been in and out of traveling a lot
for work. Most recently, you were gone flat four days, yes,
three nights, and while gone, I called Anya's boss's boss's
wife to come over and like we ordered sushi and
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hung out. She helped with the kids. She's an inherent
boy mom, mom of three boys, all now in high school,
one on his way to college. Loves the kids. She's
watched him before. She's like, I'm gonna come help you.
She comes over, makes cookies, cuddles with Whalan, reads him
a book like the night is going well. I put
Harlan down instantly asleep because she's the golden child. Whalan
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cuddles with Vic the friend, gets two books read to him.
She's about to tuck him in and put him to bed,
and he just starts like going ballistic, like kicking the book.
You know you did. You didn't read the book to
Blue Bunny, Blue Bunny and Blue Blanket. He sleeps with
every night, losing his mind that Blue Bunnie didn't get
the story read to him. And she's like, okay, Bud,
like that that's it. We're done. I'm you know, we're not.
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I'm not reading to Blue Bunny. So then I step in.
I'm like, all right, buddy, it's bedtime lay him down.
Twenty minutes go by of silence, which is the scariest thing.
Twenty minutes go by of silence, and I'm like, this
is like it's like eight twenty at this point, I'm like, oh,
I'm like maybe he's down. All of a sudden, we
hear this like really weird noise and I'm like what.
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I'm like, Oh, he's out of bed. I go upstairs.
Whalen is standing with We have a jack and jail
sink in the kid's bathroom. Whalen is standing with a
foot on each side of like right next to each sink,
head between his legs, looking backwards at the mirror. Hydra
cordazone cream from the middle of his back all the
way down his butt crack, just like all over the mirror.
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There's like nine band aids on the counter. We have
a nanet, mind you, but my login wasn't working, so
I like didn't realize that. So when I heard the noise,
I couldn't see the nanet, so I went running upstairs.
He had a bug bite on the top of his
butt crack, and he thought that the itchy cream, which
is the hydrog gordisone cream which was used before would
help with the thing or help with the bug bite.
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So he's got like all these band aids everywhere. I'm like, oh,
I got to get it all cleaned up. Then get
him in his room. He's like, I don't want to
go to bed, you know, I don't. I'm scared of
bad dreams whatever. When I was at the espnW summit,
they sent me this like lavender candle and spray and basalts,
all these things. I'm like, you know what, mama has
the perfect thing, dream spray. So we put a little
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sprits of the purple haze lavender essential oil spray on
his pillow and he's like, oh yeah, it's working. He
could smell it. We spritched a little bit on Blue
Bunny close his door. I made the mistake of putting
the bottle on the counter in the bathroom. So about
an hour rolls by and we hear just blood curdling
screams coming from upstairs. I go sprinting up the stairs.
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It smells like a lavender feel has exploded in the
hallway Waylan's eyes are like splotchy, his nose is running,
He's got drool everywhere. I like, literally it's like making
my eyes water the smell of lavender. He was so
worried about having bad dreams that he sprayed every inch
of his room, his tony, his his nanet light, his
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night light, his bed. The whole bottle, almost the whole
bottle was gone, sprayed it up his nose on his hands,
rubbed his eyes.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
The whole house still smell. Yeah, a week.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
If Dick hadn't been here, I would have called nine
one one because I'm like, like it was in his nose.
I had to flush his nose out with that like that,
the freedom nose thing with like water. It was awful.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It was awful.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
The house still still smells. And this was like not recently.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
So he didn't sleep, yes or no.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
He then he then went like fell asleep in the
middle of the carpet, like.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Which is, by the way, not the first time that
he has not slept, and continuously done ridiculou stuff in
his room and then passed that on the carpet. It
was awful.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I felt so badly for him, but I'm like, why
would you do that? He's like I thought, if I
smelled the spray, I wouldn't have bad dreams, which like
like yeah, from like a cognitive standpoint, it's like, okay,
that's smart, Like I wouldn't have thought of that. Like
you're gonna smell the lavender all night, you won't have
bad dreams. But he literally sprayed it up his nose.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, like you're not wrong, but you're not right. You're
not wrong, but also you're not right. Poor dude, poor dude.
So so while that story is hilarious, you can imagine
when you're fried after a day of mommy already, and
that is what you deal with for a two and
a half hour put down. It's not as cute or
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as here.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I think I need a cookie. A cookie will make
it better.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
No, he gets me with the cheese stick. If I
have a cheese stick in both hands, I'll fall asleep.
I'm like what. Then I give it to him and
he finishes them, and then I'll call me mommy, I
need one more cheese stick. I'm gonna cry. I'm gonna cry.
I don't know if he's gonna cry, but I'm definitely
gonna cry. So our kids eat a lot of dairy. Yeah. Yeah,
we're like at the seventeen servings a day. And that's
like a that's like probably an understatement for how many
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dairy we eat in this house. While that story's funny,
it's like it harps on this bigger issue. So here's
the cycle of emotion. Right, he's almost five, so it's
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age appropriate. He's growing, he's changing, he's got fomo, he's
starting to have an imagination to a point where he's
giving himself nightmares, right, Like, so that's kind of normal.
And then he wakes up in the morning and he's cranky.
He has a hard time adjusting to change because he
hasn't slept, he's not a great listener, and then gets
in trouble during the day and then at night feels
like all we do is yell at him, and then
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doesn't want to go to sleep. Like, I get the
cycle of emotion that he is struggling with. And so
then like you and I are feverishly typing on Google
what to do about kids that don't sleep. There's sleep gummies,
there's like, don't give them malatonin, but do give them this,
Do try that, don't do this, give him a calming
bath time, do the same routine. So he has now
a nighttime routine that he does really strictly, and all
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of that happens, and the kids still doesn't sleep well.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Also, he's recently said to us that, so we went
on this road trip back from Florida, and we stopped
at like four different places and stayed in a different
hotel and did net tivity whatever. The kids have always
come into our bed in the middle of the night.
It has been constant now since this road trip, because
a hotel is objectively fun. We stayed in cool rooms,
We went to cool places. Harlan slept with you, he
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slept with me. So his new thing is I can't
sleep alone. Yeah, I'm like, you're not alone. You have
blue Bunny. He's like, but blue bunny doesn't talk. I'm like, well,
use your imagination.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
But also, no one talks while they sleep, Homie.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I was like, everybody goes to bed alone, buddy, He goes, No,
you and mommy sleep together. I'm like, right, but mommy
goes to bed and then I go up, so Mommy's
already asleep.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I didn't listen. I'm happy for you to sleep in
the guest room. If that solves this no sleeping thing.
We can all have our own bed.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Oh jeez, I'll talk about that later.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
No, but I but I do think that's a big issue, right,
And then like and then he comes in our bed
and he wants to cuddle one of us, and then
whomever isn't the one he chooses to cuddle gets kicked,
gets punched, gets absolutely crushed all night long and doesn't sleep.
And the person that is cuddling with him, he is
of my blood, so he is ten thousand degrees at night.
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So it's like a sweaty, gross, disgusting mess where he's
just like hot, and he's in our bed and he
sleeps in the middle, so he kicks the sheets down
and once I'm up, I'm up. It's like this whole
big deal.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And it's hard because he's tired, right, Yeah, he's tired.
We lay doun with him and he's like we've agreed, okay.
He's like, I can go to sleep if I get
a cuddle, and like sometimes he'll fall asleep, right, but
then it like the smallest noise or whatever wakes him up,
or he turns his tony up to a thousand like decibels, so.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
The tony is crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
We know he's tired, so it's hard because we don't
want to be frustrated with him because we recognize that
he's tired, but he just doesn't want to sleep because
he is afraid of being alone, or he wakes up
and realizes that we've gone, then he has to come
in our room. And if it's before you know we've
gone to bed, it's it just becomes a whole nother thing.
And like you said, age of appropriate and seemingly normal. However,
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the little dude is growing and he's not sleeping, and
it's just like, then, yeah, he's having a hard time listening,
he's acting out, he's this, he's that, and it's like
it all stems from the issue of not being able
to go to sleep.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, it's a vicious sight there.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Go we are in search of some help.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
With sleep, yet we do not know what to do.
I feel badly because then I get mad at him,
like I'm I'm angry and I saw this thing on Instagram.
It's like, you can't expect your kids to have a
good night's rest if they're getting put to bed by
being yelled at. And there are times where that's that's
all I've got in the tank at ten o'clock at
night and he's still not asleep is like willing lay down.
(20:43):
And I'm doing the best I can. I get it.
I'm like sometimes the worst at that because the temper
can really search. But like I'm like, after the seventieth
gentle parenting conversation about going to bed, I've got nothing
left in the tank. And there has to be a
more peaceful way.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
And we tried. We tried the in his room with
the books and the like letting him like write, like
we've tried bottom of a recliner with reader books and
sending him through light.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And like we did the light, we did the spray,
we did the dinosaur to catch the bad dreams. We
did the conversation, we did the yellow time where we
play quietly. We've done the.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Sleep the clock up like like you know what I mean,
Like because he can read the time now too, so
he's like, it's not that time yet, Like we almost
need to turn the clock up.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
But like, but it's summer, so it's light, so it's
like sunlight. When we're putting him to bed at eight thirty,
it's it's daylight. And so like he equates darkness to
sleeping and doesn't understand time.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
The construct as we talk about this. We just got
an alert from the nanny. Things are turning south.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Oh no, don't even get me started.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
But like that's the like, that's the overtired.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
That's the overtired.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And it's like, how do we help him. It's so
hard because everyone you talk to, like I've talked to
people that are like, oh, we went through the same
thing with so and so, the same thing with so
and so, and it's like it doesn't make it any
more appropriate or okay, but it's also like it's not
super abnormal. And he's also sometimes we go places like
(22:17):
we were just at the park and there was this
nanny that like this her the kid that she was
watching took Whalen's car from him and then wouldn't give
it back. So Whalen started and they were Whalen's cars
that like I brought and was letting all the kids
share and play with. And this kid took the car
from Whalen and wouldn't give it back, and Whalen asked
for it back multiple times, so finally Whalen chased him
down and took it back. You shouldn't have grabbed from
(22:39):
his hands, Like we don't take things out of each
other's hands, but she didn't see that the kid had
already taken it out of Whalen's hand. And Whalen is
in the ninety third percentile, so he looks much older
and bigger, like right, like everyone assumes that he's seven.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, and he's four.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And so the nanny, you know which also who says
this to a child? The nanny goes only kids who
who who don't know how to behave or communicate their
emotions grab from other kids, not our nanny to our child. No, no, yeah,
this is a random person at the park. And I'm like,
I'm like, okay, well, we're done playing with that kid now.
And by the way, he's four. But like I think
(23:14):
that that that's like a hardship too, is that like
try and navigate all of this for us for the
first time, because fortunately, I guess that this is the
first time we're really experiencing like a challenge and it's
so hard to figure out what to do because it's
so crazy how you can have two kids who have
the same everything environmentally but such different needs.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
That's why I think it's exclusively tied to his age
and his developmental like where he's at in development because
we don't do anything different between them, right, But this
is the invisible labor that is put on women, and
so we shared this labor. We shoulder this together, right.
But like figuring this out is like the family's new problem.
(23:59):
This is the kind of stuff when people talk about
toddlers and it being really really hard. It's this stuff
because this does not make any sense to me. There's
an answer. People go through this every single day. But
if you're going through that right now and that's the
stage that your toddler's in and you want to poke
your eyes out with rusty nails, you and these packspuck
are in absolutely the exact same space. So I think
(24:21):
the new quest that will be on is to try
to solve this problem, whether that be through guests, whether
that be through trial and error, just kind of like
revisit this throughout the summer because it is only going
to get worse before it gets better. I have every
knowledge in the world that we're going to struggle with
this for a period of time. But I think that
we can kind of talk about it because in real
time this is very, very challenging and frustrating, but we're
(24:44):
at least we're doing it together question mark.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And if you're a listener and a parent or a
caregiver who has experienced this and has suggestions, our dms
are open because I think that's the biggest thing, right,
is like sharing your experience and like wh not being
worried of like quote unquote labeling your kids or like whatever,
but like sharing true experiences and being honest about what
(25:07):
you're going through because it takes a village and sometimes
your village looks different, and like we've all, like we said,
like people we've already talked to people who have been
like oh I like, yeah, I've been through that. So
if you have a suggestion or anything, we are open
in all ears, or if you just want to vent
in some way about years similar.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Your kid doesn't sleep either, we could all DM each
other at four o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yes, so we are open to anything and everything from
our listeners. We are in dire need of sleep over
in the Packer house.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yes, no one's sleeping. Everyone's trying their best. But is
anyone happy? Maybe? Maybe just Harlan Harlan's Harlan's alive and
well Dean Queen takes the Gabini is alive, and well,
and also we live in the sub threads of Reddit anyway,
like let's all talk about what's going on. I think
that is the hardship, right is we are moms who
(25:57):
have this momming podcast, who always have the cutest pictures
up on social media, and that doesn't always tell the
whole picture. The whole picture is right now, it is
a grease in this house. So if it's a grease
in your house, if you have some ideas, if you've
gotten through it, contact us, call us, beat us direct,
cell phone, walk to our house, whatever you can do,
please he sends it up, but I'll lend on a letter.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Note.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
This was our kind of vent sessh episode of these
packs puck join us next week. We'll probably talk to
somebody that can solve our problems, or I'll be even
worse than a fifty.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
That's it for this week. Thanks for listening, and.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
If you like what you heard, spread the word seriously
right now, take your phone out, text a friend and
tell them to subscribe.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
And be sure to rate and review us on Apple
Podcasts and Spotify if you haven't already. It really really helps.
Until next week. I'm Madison Packer and.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm Anya Packer and this was These Packs Puck.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
These Packs Puck is a production of iHeart Women's Sports
and Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. It's hosted by Us
Madison and Anya Packer. Emily Mernoff is our senior producer
and story editor. We were mixed and mastered by Mary dew.
Our executive producers are Jennifer Bassett, Jesse Katz, and Ali Perry.
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