June 18, 2025 • 15 mins
Independent journalist Aaron Parnas and Governor Newsom discuss the Trump administration’s push toward a constitutional crisis and the protests this past weekend.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
This is Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Do you introduce yourself for the first time on this
new platform, tell them why you're on and kind of
what you're doing on here.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm on because you're on, and others are on, and
people are having two way conversations, and you know, I
think this notion of this one way conversations broadcasts, it
doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
So it's a great opportunity to be.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Able to meet people where they are and to have
more substantive and long form conversations.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So I'm really grateful. It's a great opportunity first time.
Thank you. Yeah, super excited to have you.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I think a lot of folks have seen you over
the past couple of weeks, especially on Midas touch on
Fred Wellman. You're doing new media more than really other
leaders in a Democratic party. Do you feel like this
is the future for Democrats? You know, other Democrats shoud
follow your lead here.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah. I don't even think it's a future.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I think it's where we are now, you know, And
I think if we don't recognize that, we're not going
to reconcile where where our standing is as it relates
to the asymmetry of our communication challenges as a party.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And look, you know, I don't know how you know.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I think it was Tucker Carlson even today, who basically
you know, was attacking Fox Or yesterday with Steve Bannon.
And you know it's when when Tucker Carlson is saying
it's in essence of propaganda network, I think that's just
everything you need to know.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
But it's effective, just like Pravdo was effective.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
And it is a communication arm of the Trump administration
and their surrounds sound and their ability to shape shift
conversations to put us on the defense is next level.
And so I think it's foundational. It's fundamental to quote
unquote our path back that we start to get more
aggressive in mediums like this, uh and build our own capacity,
(01:56):
our own opacity not just to push back against that,
but to truly expand that network of communication and engagement.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Well, I got to ask you this morning. You kind
of went into the lines done writing a Fox News
op ed titled Trump is trying to destroy a democracy,
Do not let him? What was that OpEd about for
those who didn't read And why did you choose Fox News?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Well, because you've got to meet people where they are,
and it's you've got to hit people that are you
know that we haven't quote unquote already persuaded. And I
think one of the things that I think people have
criticized me, and I totally, I deeply appreciate. I'm very
I'm probably more self critical than anybody listening or watching.
I'm not even making that up, like actually, And so
I use the word humility and grace all the time.
(02:40):
And I'm constantly trying to iterate and try new things.
And it's in that process of discovery. And so for
years I've been screaming and yelling saying we got to
get out of our own bubble. And I was screaming
and yelling about it, but I wasn't doing it. So
it's one thing to preach, it's another to practice. So
I started, you know, I said, called Sean Hannity. I said, hey,
you've been attacking me every single damn night. Invited him
(03:01):
to Ronald Reagan's old mansion, the Governor's mansion in California,
and we sat down for an unscripted hour and twenty minutes.
I said, the only rule is no editing. Let's have
this conversation and and put it up. And he did
to his credit and ended up not only being on
Fox and a few of those kind of interviews, did
a debate with Ron DeSantis, and you know, just started
(03:22):
to reach sort of breach that bubble, like just surt
pierce it a little bit and get in.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So you know, I'm trying to there's there's there's a huge.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Percent, a lot a lot of folks, a lot of Democrats,
a lot of independence, a lot of persuadables watching Fox
every night and in reading Fox. And so that's why
I did that up ed there. And look, I think
it's self evident. We all know what's happening to our democracy.
We all know what's happening to the you know, the
endairy values of our founding fathers. I said all the time,
the best of the Roman Republican, Greek democracy, co equal,
(03:53):
co equal branches of government, popular sovereignty, this notion of
system of checks and balances. And you know, we've seen
just the total corruption of Speaker Johnson, who's completely capitulated
and rolled over. There's no checks of ballots is left
in Congress. They're a lapdog of the Trump administration. That
means there's one left, and that's the courts. And we're
(04:14):
about to go into court quite literally in a few
minutes the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Two out of
three other judges on our panelic Trumpet judges on a lawsuit.
But the point is we're counting on the courts, and
we're counting on people that showed up in record numbers
over the weekend, unprecedented protests, which is amazing to hold
(04:34):
up this democracy.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, I want to ask you both about the protest
but also about this court hearing. Can can you tell
folks what this court hearing is about. It's about I'm
assuming the ICE agents being able to work with marines
to kind of go into homes, into communities and conduct
these raids. But can you give some more laboration as
to what folks need to know about this hearing and
kind of what your expectation is given the fact that
there are two Trump judges on this circuit panel today.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
So, I mean, so this is about federalism, This is
about tenth Amendment, this is about the rule of law,
this is about our constitution. It's about you know this
idea that you know the Founding fathers, you know, their
response to a monarchy and king was was this this
you know thing we frankly times take for granted. And
(05:20):
and so that's what ultimately is being tested here. And
that's the theory that Donald Trump can unilaterally decide to
militarize the streets of America. Happens to be in La now,
will be in your city next. He did a national order, which,
by the way, is the point about this being your
sitting next. It's not unique to California. That allows him
(05:41):
to if there's a protest, to unilaterally under this section
twelve four oh six under the you know, I don't
want to get into more details, but under rubric that's
well established as it relates to Title ten, under his
authority the federalized of the federalization of the National Guard
to decide to militarize by commandeering the National Guard, which
(06:06):
he's done in California, four thousand National guardsmen and women
have been taken out of my command and, by the way,
taken off the beat of doing forest management, vegetation management.
Three quarters of what we referred to as our rattlesnake
teams that we're preparing for wildfire season now been pulled off.
Counter drug task forces to deal with fentanyl. They've been
(06:28):
pulled off the counter drug task forces, including on border
issues where they've been deployed for almost six years. They've
been pulled off, including now the streets where a lot
of these are police officers, members of law enforcement and
their day jobs and now have been commandeered by the
President of the United States for ice enforcement. And so
that's fundamentally a question at hand. We won case thirty
six page injunctive belief that we got from Justice Bryer
(06:53):
last week, and they immediately ran it to the appellate court,
and today at noon will determine our fate. And if
you know, we're successful, and I believe we should be
and will be, that will be a big day in
the rule of law.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I guess we'll see what happens next. I will say
I think that this is an issue that has broken
through really like none other, immigration enforcement, specifically because it's
impacting every community. Republican, Democrat, independent, doesn't really matter. And
I think we saw that over the weekend with No
King's Day protests about five million folks conservatively nationwide, hundreds
of thousands in Los Angeles, San Diego. What's your reaction
to the protests on the ground.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
People stepped up, They stepped in, and they're the antidote.
I've said it. I said it in a speech the
other night.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I mean, you're the antidote to that fear of anxiety,
the cynicism you may be feeling. All that's stacking of stress.
And you know that's stacking of stress. It's real, not
just the stress the last five months and all things Trump.
But look, I mean everything you guys have everybody's been through, right,
the pandemic and social unrest, you know, George Floyd, you know,
you know, the macroeconomic challenges, supply chain disruptions, and obviously
(07:57):
now just this this, you know, this next level disruption
and authoritarian tendencies that we're all trying to push back
against against Trump administration. But people, what was so amazing
about this weekend is it showed people I haven't given up.
And that's extraordinary, and I think, you know, it's you know,
there's an old adage, you know in business, we talk
(08:19):
about success leaves clues, the power of emulation, And I
think the more people show up, the more people feel
like they're not alone, and the more likely others will
start to show up, and there's a contagion and a
positive sense here.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
And that was on display over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
And that's honestly, like, that's that's if I have any
hope left, that's it, because I'm not you know, you know,
look at looking at what's happened to Congress, look at
what's happening in our institutions, look at what's happening to
law firms that are capitulating and selling out. Look what's
happening to ethics and these attacks and assaults on our courts.
Was left is we the people and the power of
(08:58):
people organizing and expressing themselves. I mean, that's why I
quoted Justice brandeis in a democracy the most important office,
sorry Donald Trump? And ain't the presidency the most important
office's office of citizen active non inert citizenship. And that's
what we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And I think it's important to note that the overhalling
majority of those protests were peaceful. Across the country, they
were peaceful. People were I mean, the San Diego PD
tweeted out saying thank you for being peaceful, thank you
for exercising your ferston on the right.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And my nieces and my nephew's out there, my sister
was out there, and they had, you know, crayon and
they were doing their own signs.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I mean, it was next level peaceful.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And what a point of contrast to the weaponization of
the extreme exceptions that you see on some of these
propaganda networks that said otherwise. So no, and that's by
the way, it's critical one of them.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Forgive me. It's an aside.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
One of the most extraordinary things that I that I've
been able to do as governor was getting to know
this guy James Lawson, and some folks may know, as
some people may not passed away recently, and James Lawson
was the one that introduced doctor King to Gandhi and
non violent protests, and he was living in Los Angeles
(10:14):
during the George Floyd that I had a chance someone
introduced me. He said, boy, you really need to meet
rev and Lawson. You talk about moral authority. Man like
he just in this presence and I never met him,
and I'm like, you just just your thunderstruck. And I
remember being in a around table meeting with leaders of
the of BLM and others that were out there protesting,
(10:38):
and he started read them the Riot Act.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
He said, this is not the way we did it, and.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I'm sort of sitting back on and he starts lecturing them, said,
you've got to have a plan, you got to have
a strategy, and you cannot be violent, and you cannot
condone violence. And he talked about the power again, moral
authority and movements and how movements, you know, becomes sustainable,
and I'm just reminded of that. It's so important that
(11:07):
we are reminded of our better angels. And we cannot
condone the violence. We cannot allow for that. It hurts
the movement, it sets us back. And it's exactly what
Trump wants. You're just handing it to him. That's what
he's looking for, so we can further command and control,
so we can further militarize the streets of the United States.
(11:28):
It's exactly what he wants. Let's not give it to.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Him now, Governor, final question, and before you go, I
want everyone to go and subscribe to the top left
cornerhand subscribes to the governor substack. What's your message to
folks who are worried or afraid or scared want answers,
but they feel like they don't really have them right now?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
What's your message to them?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
You just keep doing what you're doing. The fact that
you're even listening to this means back to you know,
you haven't given up the fact that you're still in
the game. You still care, you still care about your kids.
Don't care about your family, your community, this nation, the
world we're trying to build your you know, look, this
is this is the moment. I mean, we're in it.
We are in it, and it goes in two directions.
(12:15):
We can roll over, you know, we could let him succeed.
We can watch you know, this two hundred and fifty
year experiment that completely collapse on itself. But we also
have incredible power in resilience to push back. And so
I just I pray. I mean, this is not a
politician saying this. Man, I got four kids and you know,
(12:37):
and I know we're out of time, but I'm not
making this up. I was with a twelve year old.
I got a twelve year old daughter. I was with
a twelve year old the other day down in Oxnard, California.
And I can't unsee this, I can't unexperience this. Both
of his parents were snatched from him twenty plus years
going in the same fields in Oxnard. He was born
(13:00):
here it's a sixth grader tears rolling down, I mean
streaming down. He couldn't even look at me in the
face because every time he tried to talk, he just
started a break down. That's Donald Trump's America. He took
his mom and dad. We just found his mom. They
just found his mom in a detention facility. He was
left with nobody, has no brothers and sisters. There was
(13:22):
no one to take care of him that night. That's
and Donald Trump is trying to tear this country apart.
He's going after blue cities, he's going after blue states.
He's not the president of the United States. He's asserting
himself exclusively as a president of red states. And we
cannot allow that to happen. But we can't turn into him.
As my long winning point, don't turn in to him.
(13:46):
We're better than that. Everyone wants to be loved, Everyone
needs to be loved. We all want to be protected,
we all want to be connected, and we all want
to be respected. And so I just I pray that
people recognize that we're all better off. We're all better off.
We're all in this together. Divorce is not a damn option.
I'll keep going on. I'm just saying, man, don't give
don't give up, and yes, divorce is not an option.
(14:08):
And so I'm just counting on people. And you know again,
I say that just selfishly as a dad, and so
thank I just appreciate anybody that tuned in and thank
you for tuning up in terms of being accountable to
this moment, society becomes how we behave, We are our behaviors,
bottom line. Not things are not happening to us. They
(14:29):
are happening with us, and so we have the ability
to manifest the better future. It's decisions, not conditions. So
I think everybody, let's make the wise choices and let's
not give into this cynicism and let's keep at it.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
You heard it here for his governor. Thank you so
much for coming on. Go subscribe to the Governor's stack.
This was amazing. Hope to hope to have you again soon.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on, all right,
This is Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Do you introduce yourself for the first time on this
new platform, tell them why you're on and kind of
what you're doing on here.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm on because you're on, and others are on, and
people are having two way conversations, and you know, I
think this notion of this one way conversations broadcasts, it
doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
So it's a great opportunity to be.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Able to meet people where they are and to have
more substantive and long form conversations.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So I'm really grateful. It's a great opportunity first time.
Thank you. Yeah, super excited to have you.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I think a lot of folks have seen you over
the past couple of weeks, especially on Midas touch on
Fred Wellman. You're doing new media more than really other
leaders in a Democratic party. Do you feel like this
is the future for Democrats? You know, other Democrats shoud
follow your lead here.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah. I don't even think it's a future.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I think it's where we are now, you know, And
I think if we don't recognize that, we're not going
to reconcile where where our standing is as it relates
to the asymmetry of our communication challenges as a party.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And look, you know, I don't know how you know.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I think it was Tucker Carlson even today, who basically
you know, was attacking Fox Or yesterday with Steve Bannon.
And you know it's when when Tucker Carlson is saying
it's in essence of propaganda network, I think that's just
everything you need to know.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
But it's effective, just like Pravdo was effective.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
And it is a communication arm of the Trump administration
and their surrounds sound and their ability to shape shift
conversations to put us on the defense is next level.
And so I think it's foundational. It's fundamental to quote
unquote our path back that we start to get more
aggressive in mediums like this, uh and build our own capacity,
(01:56):
our own opacity not just to push back against that,
but to truly expand that network of communication and engagement.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Well, I got to ask you this morning. You kind
of went into the lines done writing a Fox News
op ed titled Trump is trying to destroy a democracy,
Do not let him? What was that OpEd about for
those who didn't read And why did you choose Fox News?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Well, because you've got to meet people where they are,
and it's you've got to hit people that are you
know that we haven't quote unquote already persuaded. And I
think one of the things that I think people have
criticized me, and I totally, I deeply appreciate. I'm very
I'm probably more self critical than anybody listening or watching.
I'm not even making that up, like actually, And so
I use the word humility and grace all the time.
(02:40):
And I'm constantly trying to iterate and try new things.
And it's in that process of discovery. And so for
years I've been screaming and yelling saying we got to
get out of our own bubble. And I was screaming
and yelling about it, but I wasn't doing it. So
it's one thing to preach, it's another to practice. So
I started, you know, I said, called Sean Hannity. I said, hey,
you've been attacking me every single damn night. Invited him
(03:01):
to Ronald Reagan's old mansion, the Governor's mansion in California,
and we sat down for an unscripted hour and twenty minutes.
I said, the only rule is no editing. Let's have
this conversation and and put it up. And he did
to his credit and ended up not only being on
Fox and a few of those kind of interviews, did
a debate with Ron DeSantis, and you know, just started
(03:22):
to reach sort of breach that bubble, like just surt
pierce it a little bit and get in.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So you know, I'm trying to there's there's there's a huge.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Percent, a lot a lot of folks, a lot of Democrats,
a lot of independence, a lot of persuadables watching Fox
every night and in reading Fox. And so that's why
I did that up ed there. And look, I think
it's self evident. We all know what's happening to our democracy.
We all know what's happening to the you know, the
endairy values of our founding fathers. I said all the time,
the best of the Roman Republican, Greek democracy, co equal,
(03:53):
co equal branches of government, popular sovereignty, this notion of
system of checks and balances. And you know, we've seen
just the total corruption of Speaker Johnson, who's completely capitulated
and rolled over. There's no checks of ballots is left
in Congress. They're a lapdog of the Trump administration. That
means there's one left, and that's the courts. And we're
(04:14):
about to go into court quite literally in a few
minutes the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Two out of
three other judges on our panelic Trumpet judges on a lawsuit.
But the point is we're counting on the courts, and
we're counting on people that showed up in record numbers
over the weekend, unprecedented protests, which is amazing to hold
(04:34):
up this democracy.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, I want to ask you both about the protest
but also about this court hearing. Can can you tell
folks what this court hearing is about. It's about I'm
assuming the ICE agents being able to work with marines
to kind of go into homes, into communities and conduct
these raids. But can you give some more laboration as
to what folks need to know about this hearing and
kind of what your expectation is given the fact that
there are two Trump judges on this circuit panel today.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
So, I mean, so this is about federalism, This is
about tenth Amendment, this is about the rule of law,
this is about our constitution. It's about you know this
idea that you know the Founding fathers, you know, their
response to a monarchy and king was was this this
you know thing we frankly times take for granted. And
(05:20):
and so that's what ultimately is being tested here. And
that's the theory that Donald Trump can unilaterally decide to
militarize the streets of America. Happens to be in La now,
will be in your city next. He did a national order, which,
by the way, is the point about this being your
sitting next. It's not unique to California. That allows him
(05:41):
to if there's a protest, to unilaterally under this section
twelve four oh six under the you know, I don't
want to get into more details, but under rubric that's
well established as it relates to Title ten, under his
authority the federalized of the federalization of the National Guard
to decide to militarize by commandeering the National Guard, which
(06:06):
he's done in California, four thousand National guardsmen and women
have been taken out of my command and, by the way,
taken off the beat of doing forest management, vegetation management.
Three quarters of what we referred to as our rattlesnake
teams that we're preparing for wildfire season now been pulled off.
Counter drug task forces to deal with fentanyl. They've been
(06:28):
pulled off the counter drug task forces, including on border
issues where they've been deployed for almost six years. They've
been pulled off, including now the streets where a lot
of these are police officers, members of law enforcement and
their day jobs and now have been commandeered by the
President of the United States for ice enforcement. And so
that's fundamentally a question at hand. We won case thirty
six page injunctive belief that we got from Justice Bryer
(06:53):
last week, and they immediately ran it to the appellate court,
and today at noon will determine our fate. And if
you know, we're successful, and I believe we should be
and will be, that will be a big day in
the rule of law.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I guess we'll see what happens next. I will say
I think that this is an issue that has broken
through really like none other, immigration enforcement, specifically because it's
impacting every community. Republican, Democrat, independent, doesn't really matter. And
I think we saw that over the weekend with No
King's Day protests about five million folks conservatively nationwide, hundreds
of thousands in Los Angeles, San Diego. What's your reaction
to the protests on the ground.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
People stepped up, They stepped in, and they're the antidote.
I've said it. I said it in a speech the
other night.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I mean, you're the antidote to that fear of anxiety,
the cynicism you may be feeling. All that's stacking of stress.
And you know that's stacking of stress. It's real, not
just the stress the last five months and all things Trump.
But look, I mean everything you guys have everybody's been through, right,
the pandemic and social unrest, you know, George Floyd, you know,
you know, the macroeconomic challenges, supply chain disruptions, and obviously
(07:57):
now just this this, you know, this next level disruption
and authoritarian tendencies that we're all trying to push back
against against Trump administration. But people, what was so amazing
about this weekend is it showed people I haven't given up.
And that's extraordinary, and I think, you know, it's you know,
there's an old adage, you know in business, we talk
(08:19):
about success leaves clues, the power of emulation, And I
think the more people show up, the more people feel
like they're not alone, and the more likely others will
start to show up, and there's a contagion and a
positive sense here.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
And that was on display over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
And that's honestly, like, that's that's if I have any
hope left, that's it, because I'm not you know, you know,
look at looking at what's happened to Congress, look at
what's happening in our institutions, look at what's happening to
law firms that are capitulating and selling out. Look what's
happening to ethics and these attacks and assaults on our courts.
Was left is we the people and the power of
(08:58):
people organizing and expressing themselves. I mean, that's why I
quoted Justice brandeis in a democracy the most important office,
sorry Donald Trump? And ain't the presidency the most important
office's office of citizen active non inert citizenship. And that's
what we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And I think it's important to note that the overhalling
majority of those protests were peaceful. Across the country, they
were peaceful. People were I mean, the San Diego PD
tweeted out saying thank you for being peaceful, thank you
for exercising your ferston on the right.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And my nieces and my nephew's out there, my sister
was out there, and they had, you know, crayon and
they were doing their own signs.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I mean, it was next level peaceful.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And what a point of contrast to the weaponization of
the extreme exceptions that you see on some of these
propaganda networks that said otherwise. So no, and that's by
the way, it's critical one of them.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Forgive me. It's an aside.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
One of the most extraordinary things that I that I've
been able to do as governor was getting to know
this guy James Lawson, and some folks may know, as
some people may not passed away recently, and James Lawson
was the one that introduced doctor King to Gandhi and
non violent protests, and he was living in Los Angeles
(10:14):
during the George Floyd that I had a chance someone
introduced me. He said, boy, you really need to meet
rev and Lawson. You talk about moral authority. Man like
he just in this presence and I never met him,
and I'm like, you just just your thunderstruck. And I
remember being in a around table meeting with leaders of
the of BLM and others that were out there protesting,
(10:38):
and he started read them the Riot Act.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
He said, this is not the way we did it, and.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I'm sort of sitting back on and he starts lecturing them, said,
you've got to have a plan, you got to have
a strategy, and you cannot be violent, and you cannot
condone violence. And he talked about the power again, moral
authority and movements and how movements, you know, becomes sustainable,
and I'm just reminded of that. It's so important that
(11:07):
we are reminded of our better angels. And we cannot
condone the violence. We cannot allow for that. It hurts
the movement, it sets us back. And it's exactly what
Trump wants. You're just handing it to him. That's what
he's looking for, so we can further command and control,
so we can further militarize the streets of the United States.
(11:28):
It's exactly what he wants. Let's not give it to.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Him now, Governor, final question, and before you go, I
want everyone to go and subscribe to the top left
cornerhand subscribes to the governor substack. What's your message to
folks who are worried or afraid or scared want answers,
but they feel like they don't really have them right now?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
What's your message to them?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
You just keep doing what you're doing. The fact that
you're even listening to this means back to you know,
you haven't given up the fact that you're still in
the game. You still care, you still care about your kids.
Don't care about your family, your community, this nation, the
world we're trying to build your you know, look, this
is this is the moment. I mean, we're in it.
We are in it, and it goes in two directions.
(12:15):
We can roll over, you know, we could let him succeed.
We can watch you know, this two hundred and fifty
year experiment that completely collapse on itself. But we also
have incredible power in resilience to push back. And so
I just I pray. I mean, this is not a
politician saying this. Man, I got four kids and you know,
(12:37):
and I know we're out of time, but I'm not
making this up. I was with a twelve year old.
I got a twelve year old daughter. I was with
a twelve year old the other day down in Oxnard, California.
And I can't unsee this, I can't unexperience this. Both
of his parents were snatched from him twenty plus years
going in the same fields in Oxnard. He was born
(13:00):
here it's a sixth grader tears rolling down, I mean
streaming down. He couldn't even look at me in the
face because every time he tried to talk, he just
started a break down. That's Donald Trump's America. He took
his mom and dad. We just found his mom. They
just found his mom in a detention facility. He was
left with nobody, has no brothers and sisters. There was
(13:22):
no one to take care of him that night. That's
and Donald Trump is trying to tear this country apart.
He's going after blue cities, he's going after blue states.
He's not the president of the United States. He's asserting
himself exclusively as a president of red states. And we
cannot allow that to happen. But we can't turn into him.
As my long winning point, don't turn in to him.
(13:46):
We're better than that. Everyone wants to be loved, Everyone
needs to be loved. We all want to be protected,
we all want to be connected, and we all want
to be respected. And so I just I pray that
people recognize that we're all better off. We're all better off.
We're all in this together. Divorce is not a damn option.
I'll keep going on. I'm just saying, man, don't give
don't give up, and yes, divorce is not an option.
(14:08):
And so I'm just counting on people. And you know again,
I say that just selfishly as a dad, and so
thank I just appreciate anybody that tuned in and thank
you for tuning up in terms of being accountable to
this moment, society becomes how we behave, We are our behaviors,
bottom line. Not things are not happening to us. They
(14:29):
are happening with us, and so we have the ability
to manifest the better future. It's decisions, not conditions. So
I think everybody, let's make the wise choices and let's
not give into this cynicism and let's keep at it.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
You heard it here for his governor. Thank you so
much for coming on. Go subscribe to the Governor's stack.
This was amazing. Hope to hope to have you again soon.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on, all right,
Host
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